I dont buy into dowsing, but I think this experiment could have been carried out better. Dowsers claim to find underground streams, they could easily say that they need a flowing current to find, at least if we had a moving flow of water (the dowsers natural enviroment) we could flat out disprove it, as a tent with a bottle of evian is a bit cheap haha. They will only end up making excuses like they are picking up drain pipes under the ground beneath the tent. But who knows the budget lol
You know, the one thing that these tests fail to do... is test dowsers in their "natural environment". I'm serious here, the logical majority of dowsing applications involve thousands of variables, all to do with the earth. A sanitary environment such as some buckets of water does not, and cannot compare to the innumerable variables involved in natural spring water/underground features. Tests in real situations, with teams dowsing in areas for a real purpose, is much more successful.
@TheWookieWorks James Randi had people on his show who claimed they could do it under studio environments. If you can detect water with everything going in a natural environment then surely it would be far easier to detect in a studio environment. What variables do you speak of and how do they make it easier to detect water?
@jcotter1888 You have a good point, but I read in one place that there was a test in Sri-Lanka where the dowsers had far more success locating water in a real situation. I suppose you are right, but I can't help but wonder if the same test was repeated with known natural springs in a normal outdoor environment would have different results. Yes, my character limit on the last comment kept me from stating the numerous skepticisms I have about this. I feel a science fair project coming...
No. It's bullshit. There's been so many studies showing it's bullshit. One, to be fair, showed it's real (the infamous Munich study), but that studies results have been argued, and even then, something like 6 out of 500 studied showed "skill".
Regardless, as for you're well, in places with moderate rainfall you dig anywhere and you'll get water.
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Whilst I get great pleasure in watching these people being "debunked" I do wish Dawkins wouldn't behave in such a smug manner in the process. Randi was so much more charming in his tests...
Not having watched Randi's demonstrations, I cannot make a proper comparison. However, it would appear to me that Dawkins is more matter-of-fact than anything. What other reaction besides "HA you're effin' wrong" would suffice, especially when it comes to people who obviously find themselves compartmentalizing and adhering steadfast to their beliefs in light of obvious evidence to the contrary?
You're absolutely right, I just don't think it helps the (rational) cause. Nevermind Randi, watch some of Carl Sagan's Cosmos - there's a great clip on here called "Carl Sagan explains evolution". It's far more charming.
I think the mistake with some of these scientist is that they're looking for godlike powers... Before anyone calls me a looney, I'm speaking not about the dowsing but about the scientific methods used by this researcher as per my previous post
the fact the scientist is standing in the room makes this a poor experiment, lets suppose there is a dowsing effect... and lets assume its not a god like ability like James Randi always looks for,. If a few of the dowsers by chance pick the same container in a row...the scientist will give away body language cues whenever a new dowser gets near that same container.. all unconsciously ofcourse... this could easily skewer results and mask any dowsing effect...
Neither James Randi nor Dawkins are looking for god-like abilities. For example, applicants to Randi's challenge simply state what they supposedly know they can do and a test is conducted on the same scale, under controlled conditions to see if that claim is true.
Regarding the tester being present, there is no other choice if they are to ensure a fair experiment. The tester does not know which box the water is in, which should eliminate the problem you mentioned.
The bar for Randi's test is agreed upon by the person being tested. They are specifically asked whether they are comfortable with the conditions of the test and feel they can demonstrate the abilities they claim to have in the same way they "usually" would.
One such client claims to have found Madeleine McCann, but that the government covered it up. The test she was put through was on an incredibly smaller scale.
@troy2062 hehheh I know that..and you've already said that .....the bar is still high regardless though.
Thats what I meant by the nature of the test...because its an individual and theres no proper statisitcs to speak off, its a test for near perfect psi ability... Randi's challenge and lack of a winnercan in no way be evidence for a lack of real psi phenomena ...thats what I'm getting at
The objective of the test is not to create evidence against supernatural phenomena, but to find the first evidence in support of something for which none has been found previously. While the failure of a person to perform does nothing to validate their claims, it does not say anything else either.
However, if even a few of the hundreds tested did possess a supernatural ability, the overall statistics should have shown even a slight deviation from the predicted margins of chance.
@troy2062 Yes I realise that... but that is not what I was getting at.. and you're wrong.. there simply aren't enough people there to be tested to be able to say anything even if with a few testers there a few got really lucky,,, it would be meaningless because there isnt enough statistical power with a small numbers he was testing... I was making a comment about Randi , then you basically told me the same stuff back as if I didnt know lol
@SpineDaz His presence can still skewer the results though, very very easily. And his presence can skewer the results with him nor the people hes testing knowing it..as I explained to troy further down the thread
Many things have been speculated as to how Dowsing 'works'. One of the neatest ideas is that Dowsers will subconsciously calculate the most likely source of the thing they're looking for (out of knowledge they've collected over time) and then make tiny hand gestures without knowing it, pointing the Dowsing rods toward their "target"
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i do a lot of home remodeling and what i don't understand is that i dowse WEEKLY to trace buried water and cable lines before digging footers or post holes (using 2 squared ferrous wires). i've done it for 25 years and it's always accurate to a fraction of an inch. i'm astounded that there's a controversy. i'm also as shocked as those people in the video. every building contractor i know does it. it's common knowledge, an aircraft mechanic showed it to me! apparently i'm deluded?
@stephenvaldes or highly observant. Maybe you are subconsciously noticing slight variations of the ground. My 60 year old mother had a water leak, and my late grandfather was the only person to know where he laid the line. The city water department actually sent a dowser. As I watched him dowse the entire length of the line (over a mile), I realized I could see the level of the ground was slightly lower where the line was laid. He just followed that from the meter to the house.
Dowsing works by ideomotion action action connected with the subconscious part of the mind. So it does work it just wouldn't work in this trial because there is nothing for the subconscious to latch onto. I think the problem is the experimentors are assuming it either works as some kind of supernatural power or it doesn't work at all. There is a middle ground.
I made my own dowsing rods to try it out, and they detected ground water every time (when the rods crossed.) In the future, scientists like Dawkins will be seen as having a truly limited intellectual scope and scientific curiosity. Ultimately, he's stuck in the material world with his limited human senses, which can only detect a tiny fraction of the energy spectrum, so I wouldn't take what the bloke says too seriously.
@markusass If we didn't take what 'the bloke' said too seriously, as well as countless other scientists of his caliber, then we wouldn't be where we are today. We'd probably still believe the world is flat. The fact that dowsing doesn't work, as clearly shown in this video, is completely incontrovertible. You're the one with the limited human senses, if you can still believe dowsing has any tangible basis. What merits are there to go on? Unless you yourself can prove otherwise, Dawkins is right.
@Variasam2 Dowsing DOES work -- that's what I found most surprising, coming at it from a sceptical angle. To me, Dawkins & co are part of the consensus material reality, that's not as real as they think it is. Thanks for the compliment btw about having "limited human senses." Believe me, I wish I was as ignorant as Dawkins is, then the world and all its mysteries would be as clear-cut and explainable as he thinks they are.
To be perfectly honest, I think the test is bogus. Mind you, I do NOT believe in dowsing. However, in a real world environment, the water would not be enclosed in a bottle, and it would be underground, likely in mass quantity. Whether the 'dowser' knows it or not, he may notice a difference in the soil as he walks on it, or even smell a difference considering this, I believe was originally used in deserts. The dowsing stick would turn because he noticed something without realizing it.
@EmDeeEmEY You obviously have not met a true psychic. There are people in Mongolia and Kazakhstan who can tell many things about YOUR life without having ever met you nor even speak english- yet they will tell you exact NAMES (in English) and Places of people and events in YOUR life. So don't kid yourself.
Dowsing has NOTHING to do with "Psychic." The world and everything within it (including all of us) is made up of energy. Anyone who does not think the energy within us does not react to the energy around us is sadly mistaken. Just watch one of the episodes of Real Housewives when things get out of hand...the energy between 2 people clashes and boom you have an argument. The same thing goes with Dowsing- which has been used successfully since the 15th century.
Hi! I was very surprised that a supposed objective scientific approach to reaching a conclusion was conducted so artificially. I' m not a scientist; but I would imagine that in order to conduct an accurate test it should be done by replicating the same conditions. It was not even close to the same conditions, plastic bottles above ground and in plastic tubs seems folly in this case, not at all convincing.
One problem is the test assumes the dowser can detect water through plastic. My understanding is plastic can be an insulator. If the dowser is unaware that plastic may block his detection of water, then he would have no objection to the test, which is flawed. To truly test a dowser's claim to find water in the ground, then the water should be tested in the ground, no where else (otherwise, the test is not testing the claim). Also, if the water is distilled, then it would be an insulator.
@BlueZephyrTG I Fully and wholeheartedly agree. it is the strangest thing to sit and watch those who are faced with such intimidating reason, fact, logic, and the rest of it, flatly deny it. especially when they are a good twenty or thirty years older than me.
@BlueZephyrTG it is not a matter of "believing" anything. People have used Dowsing to find exact locations of water for centuries. Energy finding other energy. Before you debunk it- try it yourself...and not the way this stupid video shows. Go out in a field- have the dowsing rods find the water- dig down 50-70 feet...then come to the conclusion of whether or not it works. Because this is exactly how they have FOUND REAL WATER since the 1500s.
The commentator says 'The only way to find out'..Sounds Familliar? I suppose in an
'Ideal world' All the 'Enemies of reason' would be rounded up and put into reeducation camps to impress upon the 'Ignorant and superstitious' the Virtues of reaso, if that fails they can die by some horrific logical procedure...
I bet Dorkins could even argue that the nazi concentration camps were a 'Rational
solution for those who did not fit the desired pattern..
@niallobinghe I don't mean to be rude, but you're clearly mental. This is a logical, reasonable experiment that's been conducted by in an open manner. Why on earth would a "state" make the result differ if dowsing is so powerful?
Dawkins; This sad Individual has locked himself into his cerebral cortex and
refuses to believe in the validity of any other part of his brain..Clever?
all he really demonstrates is that sceptics habitually delete everything that does not conform to their perception of reason..'Humanists must be the most ignorant people
on the planet whilst believing they are the most inteligent..
@CambridgeHeights He's looking at why people believe such woowoo it's important part of the human physiology. Many people believe in all kinds of rubbish.
@Mankysteve In this video he is clearly testing them. He knows it's all bullshit, but he has to sit there for hours and pretend like this is an actual experiment.
@CambridgeHeights and how would you know it's complete bullshit, asshole? They have done this successfully to find water (IN THE GROUND) since the 1500s. Have you ever tried it? If not, how can you claim bullshit? Wather in a plastic bucket has very little if any energy. Water under ground that is running has detectable energy.
I made a mistake in my earlier post, I meant schmuck- singular not plural. And that's putting it lightly. Oh, and I'm a geological engineer and can firmly say nobody in any geological fields including petrology (oil) uses dowsing. Nobody! You would be fired and ridiculed for mentioning it in a serious manner. Stick to dungeons and dragons, or whatever stupid thing you do and don't make things up and call them facts, you're not credible, and not fooling anyone. DowsBag.
Wow, I realize these posts are old, but I just have to say that if you are for real, and you're not acting like a douchebag for kicks, you're a complete idiot. I really hope you haven't and won't breed. You really are the most ridiculously stupid, delusional schmucks I've ever heard
Humans don't seem to understand that they themselves, just by being part of an experiment, can influence it often without them even realising. The ideomotor effect, for example. When it happens, they blame God, or spirits, or demons, or laylines, and end up looking utterly foolish to everyone other than themselves.
Some people with low self-esteem like to think they have special powers, like dowsing, because it makes them feel special. Sadly they'd be better of using tried and tested methods of improving their self-esteem and leave the mumbo jumbo out. My sympathy goes out to them for needing to do this. It's sad that they need to do it.
@CoolGuuy23423 what are the other two parts of the documentary available on Youtube? I've been looking around trying to find them, and I've only found the ones on dowsing and psychic mediums.
Listen right, I was looking at an article in The Universe just there, and it's about how dire things are re. the environment, how the media didn't even bother covering the UN Conference on Biodiversity - surely scientists need to band together and fight the actual enemy, eg AGW deniers and those industrial scumbags for example, not further attack the very people (subtle energies folks) who weren't listened to in the past - leading to the evil behind all ecological rape going on now still.
I actually thought that Dawkins was just anti-religion for healthy reasons, the way that anyone seeking truth would at some point become concerned at the whole way it seems to make little sense on the surface etc. But dowsing? Things like that have never been used to say, murder witches and herbal healers, force beliefs on tribal peoples that don't suit them, burning people for knowing about how the solar system works. In fact - attacking dowsing etc is exactly the same as those burnings.
Drac, the point is that all dowsers that have subjected themselves to double blind tests fail every time. The Amazing Randi's Million Dollar Challenge will award one million dollars to anyone who shows this type of ability. It has to be a fair test agreed to by both sides. Dowsing is just another fairy tale. Why are you taking this personally?
@subductionzone - if you claim that dowsing isn't real, you are either a liar and you know you're a liar - which then means you're an unforgivable evil, because you are causing very big problems since all evil is based on those same lies about how reality works, OR, you actually are so dangerously insane that you manage to stop things working properly in your (tele)presence. And if the latter is the case then you ought to know that you have that effect, and seek treatment at the least.
@subductionzone - why do the oil and gas prospectors use dowsing then, if it doesn't work? You chumps can't even deal with that being posted to you, you just pretend it's not true. Your mental-frequencies are declared a DOR zone.
@DracOverLordHaton Oiol companies, for the most part, never ever use dowsing. There may be a few idiots here and there that do, but they will quickly go bankrupt if they use this rather than standard exploration techniques. When you make a ridiculous claim like this you need to support it with some sort of reference.
By the way, if this works can you name one test that supports its? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where is your evidence?
@subductionzone - where's your fucking evidence they don't? You maybe work for one such company, in one of their job posts. And you think you then know what they do elsewhere, even in that one place. Sums up how fucked up people like you are, that does. You're exactly the type of morons nobody even in the place you worked would bother to tell fuck all to.
It's one thing to hate religion because there are reasonable causes not to trust a thing associated with so much lies and destruction - any reasonable person would question how there can be a god when clearly so many evil people are doing evil, which could be easily prevented.
But to claim things like dowsing aren't real - that is coming from exactly the same evil that infected religions to begin with.
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These experiments are rubbish. How much water is under the ground beneath these flasks? The idea that a bottle of water could be detected is stupid. I could devise a better experiment.
@adeworks - Devise a better experiment, then. Show us how you would test to see if dowsing abilities did exist, and explain to us better why a double-blind experiment is faulty.
I know for fact that dowsing rods can find large metal objects, and "running" water...
The water in the bottles in not running, and not grounded...This is why the experiment failed...put some pipes with running water in the ground and I bet the success rate reaches 90% or more. I used to think they were BS until I actually gave them a go, and they crossed over every pipe in the yard, and also a large piece of aluminum siding I would have never known was there.
@Gatlun Sorry, it does not work for running water either. Do a Google search on The Amazing Randi in Australia. He did a similar double blind test a series of tubes where one had running water. Once again the dowsers did no better than what you would expect by random chance. Dowsers can accomplish only one thing, they can separate a fool and his money.
@subductionzone - lies and you know it. Nobody sane would ever claim that the existence of exploiters nullifies the area and knowlegde that the exploiters are exploiting. If you really actually personally know frauds who claim to be able to dowse, then unless you had no reasoning ability whatsoever you wouldn't apply their fraudulency to anyone else, purely because they work in the same field.
Yes it does! I manage a duplex community in the country ran on wells. the owner had to go to city water and they had no plans of where the water lines were. I watched them do this to find those underground lines and it worked perfectly!
@Gatlun - they could have located the bottle, using Lethbridge rates. Can't remember offhand if there's rates for plastic (there might not be because it's artificial), but there should be for glass, and for water.
@Mesarphelous - really, So why do the oil and mineral and gas prospectors use it then? They fleece you with their planet and health destroying systems, meanwhile they find the stuff they steal to sell to you, using pendulums and maps.
How can so many people be so fucking stupid. Oh wait, it's because they're all so toxic & unable to process their thoughts properly, cause of all the wrongly implemented systems.
@DracOverLordHaton Since you're a simpleton who believes in the supernatural, please understand that I am putting a voodoo curse on you. Unga bunga. Ooga booga boo.
@Mesarphelous = twat. Why do you fucking actual simpletons always think you can claim anyone clever is like you are. Like they won't be aware that you're actually the idiot.
@Mesarphelous - cunts like you are all the same. You sit in your house posting your same talentless shite, over and over again, thinking that oh! you're soooo funny cause you copy the wrong worst sorts of trolls. Thinking that when you die we aren't going to send you straight to hell, just for that dumbfuck attitude you have there. oh! laugh!
@Mesarphelous - consider the amount of people (and the ecosystem..) who have actually really suffered, all because of the kind of scum like you that think you can claim the way things actually work isn't real. And you think this is a fucking joke that you can spend years posting that same shit troll-baiting on. How do you even afford all the drugs you must be abusing?
@Mesarphelous - kill yourself, you fucking pedo-cult useless-eater liar pile of shit. You're wrong, you know you're wrong, and you still fucking think you can be the way you are inside. You'll fucking be crying on your deathbed, wishing you hadn't been such an evil cunt in life. And god won't help you, and satan will just keep laughing cause they all know you're going to hell to the arse-raped & tortured for eternity, along with all your kind.
@Mesarphelous - your avatar / user picture looks like Vlad the Impaler, is that who it is? Have you ever impaled yourself on your own cock after taking loads of viagra, 'just to see if it works'?
@Mesarphelous - no, cause I don't do that. I see people being arses and tell them so. Why do you think I challenged you? To what, cause it'd obviously have to be something you could write in a youtube comment then, so what is it?
Arrogant, nah. Knowing something is right and saying so is not arrogance. Nor is it pathetic, follow that on cause I do all else that way also. I doubt that you do. You don't sound like you know how to find what's right & then side with it.
@Mesarphelous - re. what I wrote about The Universe, your thoughts on those actually real and very dangerous problems? Do you go through life thinking that all the things you use to keep you alive and breathing, somehow you could just make them all? Go then, make a universe, I'll come live in it for a bit and let you know what physics you got wrong...remember and make sure the gravity isn't as shit as in this one, we want to be able to leap high up - but not leave the planets orbit.
@Mesarphelous - I think that inside, all of you people that relieve yourselves online by making channels etc so you can be nasty or just an arse, you must know how stupid this all is, you just don't have whatever it is that I use to not deal with it how you do. It's like you just give up, and don't find out who's (as in - what kind of behaviour, thinking) actually to blame, then you go around harming all those who're the very ones that can turn this around and put it all right.
@Mesarphelous - no, your other channels mean I had to recalculate. I haven't suddenly become anything, your mind is just differently affected by this username and user picture. I don't see how you posting inane rubbish proves anything at all about anyone, least of all lies that I'm a homo. Even just in claiming that, you actually proved yourself to be sexually fucked up - you must be sitting there with a buttplug in as you post your comments, to be that messed up.
@Mesarphelous - If you think I'm a fag, then what blokes do I fancy then, and what's my name as a male human on Earth? You must know those two things if you are so sure I'm a homo.
@Mesarphelous - more projection from you - someone who is clearly extremely evil, as you continue to provide no evidence whatsoever for your abuse, yet you believe you can keep it going. You're the same pedo-cult that logged me out of here yesterday and that changed my uni email password. And you think you can claim your evil shit about me, someone who lives right and isn't a useless eater cunt like you are.
Go faggotscum, what blokes do I fancy then? From what male incarnation here?
@Mesarphelous - the fact you went way off your usual pattern of replying me from there alone........
oh but I suppose you think you can explain why that last comment I made to you before this one got you replying so soon? Yeah sure, you just happened to check your youtube channel there much earlier today, than what you usually do. You people are really stupid.
Still fuck-all from you as to who I'm meant to be and what men I have a homofaggot eye on. Not thought any lies up yet then?
@DracOverLordHaton I'm sorry that some dickhead hacked your account or whatever. You're still a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur. And speaking of males that you're inordinately obsessed with, I seem to appear at the top of the list.
@Mesarphelous - is it fuck para-schizo, and you know that cause what you choose to go along with in life - spiritual corruption, pretending to not be in league against god and all the usual that most of you infidel scumfucks think will get you anywhere - is the same basis as why those tards fuck with my accounts.
Fuck you, Tellurianism is true, the Vril will get rid of all you scum that raped this planet and spread your evil saying stuff like dowsing ain't real, it'll be the basis of the 'NWO'.
@Mesarphelous - and I'm hardly obsessed with someone I have absolutely no liking nor respect for, because I happen to not take any shit from imbeciles on the fucking internet.
@Mesarphelous - also, you neither explained why you believe I challenged to you something. Is that just one of your made-up things you post cause you're so bored?
@Mesarphelous - And why would that be? Is it getting in the way of you feeble mind trying to convince yourself of some scenario that really doesn't actually exist perhaps?
@Mesarphelous - yeah you keep telling yourself that, as if it'll make any difference to the actual reality of it somehow magicing itself away just because you think you can make it all disappear by telling me lies that it isn't real. Did they ever make the models that are dumer than you or couldn't they even figure out how to stand up?
@Mesarphelous - cause from all your comments you've proved what an intellectual heavyweight you are, not like all those multi-channels of the pedo-cult, who post the same garbled insanity so obviously sprung from personal biased obsessions that they have only because they haven't ever begun to sort their own souls out nor do any work on their inner emotional development.
You freaks are ridiculous, go back to emotional-body-clearing classes 101 cause all of your MPDs failed it bigtime.
I don't really believe the rod dowsing for water, you can clearly see the slight hand movements. My pendulum seems pretty accurate when I ask it yes/no questions though could be fluke. Still I enjoy using my pendulum even if science says it doesn't work.
@blaiseawood Is that a condition that dowsers require to detect? If it were, I would imagine that these people wouldn't have agreed to the conditions of the test, right? So I can't imagine how that invalidates the test results, all parties agreed to it, no one was forced. And I'm sure if anyone would know if this "movement" is necessary, it would be these dowsers.
@objectivegopher Its a common reaction, especially after a James Randi test, they agree to the test conditions and then come up with lame excuses as to why there is some sort of problem and want to change it, they are just upset that they cant perform the action once cheating is removed
Does the researchers know or care whats below the ground! How about the skeptical observer effecting the out come. Try singing if you someone in the audience desn't like your voice. It effects me emotionally. Come on Richard D your becoming as closed shop as the people you set out to debunk.
dowsing is real, its been proven to be true, the councils use them in england to find out whteher the land is stable for development, THE FUCKING LOCAL ENGLISH COUNCILS PAY SOMEBODY TO DOUSE FOR THEM
open your mind a bit, you cant prove its false, the only proof this video is a one sided experiment on tv with selected footage
sure dowsing you be false but its been used for centuries and is recorded in history far back, the romans used it and it was highly effective according to their records and history.
i dont think planning agencies and councils would use it if it was bollocks to be honest
@postmasterw00t So, slavery has been used for centuries and is recorded in history far back, do you still support the use of slaves? I'm sure councils and planning agencies also used it quite a long time ago. That doesn't change that slavery is wrong and shouldn't be used, and just because it has a history, doesn't mean dowsing is right and should be used. We are trying to move forward and evolve, not regress into the dark ages.
your argument makes no sense, dowsing doesn't hurt anyone, slavery does
dowsing is still performed, slavery is not around anymore
also dowsing is not regressing, dowsing allows one to use intuition for useful purposes, if anything its progressive. how were the pyramids built? there is strong evidence to suggest some ancient knowledge is more advanced than we have today.
also councils use dowsing all the time, and in the modern day so do some research and stop being so ignorant.
@postmasterw00t Suppose I claimed that I could read your mind. Suppose I claimed this was truth. You would accept this as true because you've likely heard of people doing this in the past, and "We're too close minded, so we must accept this claim of truth." Again, I'm sure if someone was in court for having a slave, and they said "Well we used to think it was right and it's been done for a long time." That wouldn't stand. Dowsing is taking scientific thought backwards, it's bullocks.
ok im not going to reply to the next post u make all im going to say is, your obviously ignorant, regardless of whether or not dowsing is bullshit. your ignorant and a closed minded douche. bye
Regardless whether dowsing works or not there are some problems with this experiment, firstly the controls for the experiment(the bottles of sand or water) are above ground this is not normal for the dowsers themselves. Secondly they should not be placed in containers(those blue bins) as we do not no whether they will interfere in some way. Thirdly water should not be the only thing used in this experiment but another control like iron/steel. IMHO the experiment is weak on the science side.
that looked like wet sand to me,or could there be water in the ground ,where this was done,like in the yard under the tent, you did not trick me,there is water in the ground, daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I tried dowsing as a sceptical, naive 13yr old many years ago and I can simply say it worked for me. I had the rods in tubes and each time I passed over certain spots on the ground the wires would cross, I'd move away or keep going and they would straighten up. This wasn't a wishy washy movement but rather a 'strong' and definite movement from both at the same time. Don't know what it meant or was 'detecting' but it did happen very clearly.
@togalogs You should read about confirmation bias and other cognitive biases that can cause people to perceive coincidences as being important or significant. Because we know unequivocally that dousing is nonsense, you should instead think about other explanations for your experience (for example, there might have been water under the majority of the area you were dousing in).
@BenkaiDebussy YOU think you 'know unequivocally that dousing is nonsense', that doesn't make it FACT.
Yes, much can be measured by science but there are some things and events which simply cannot - 'science' is limited by human intelligence and knowledge after all.
When I tried dousing I wasn't even looking for water and had no clue what to expect. I'd seen it done on TV and thought I'd use some coat hanger wire and empty pen tubes to give it a go - they moved at the same locations every time.
@togalogs Rational people do not believe in "supernatural" phenomena without a natural explanation. Even if you can't explain why you found water while dousing, the rational response would be "I don't know why I found water while dousing, but there is probably some natural explanation I don't know yet," not "dousing works."
Also, having it move at the same location multiple times isn't exactly strange; you know how Ouija boards work, right?
@BenkaiDebussy Again you are basing your ideas on the limited knowledge of humans. Humans only 'know' what they have discovered - everything scientists think about the universe is only based on what they know, and what they know isn't the full picture. I'm not saying 'dousing works', I'm saying I was convinced 'something' happened when I tried it, something more that luck or coincidence. Its foolish to completely close your mind to other possibilities because some scientists say so...
rationality basically means according to you "if something strange happens it must be something completely normal and i just haven't figured it out yet"
that irrational in my opinion, people are way too closed minded these days and cling tightly to science, however science itself is proving that the world is a very mysterious place, quantum physics for example has shown that consciousness creates the universe, the double slit experiment
@postmasterw00t Quantum physics says nothing of the sort. You're mixing up physics with a bunch of speculation by people who aren't physicists.
Your problem seems to be that you're not willing to admit that we simply don't understand certain things. Just because we don't understand some phenomenon doesn't mean that it has a supernatural explanation. You're assuming that because a scientist can't explain something that we should automatically accept a supernatural alternative.
@postmasterw00t The double slit experiment has nothing to do with "consciousness creating the universe." That's a simple observation on wave forms canceling eachother out. I know this, because -I've- performed this experiment multiple times. Next time you pretend to be an expert on something, pick a field you actually have done extensive learning in from a real expert, instead of cereal box characters who had a degree printed on the back of a chinese takeout menu.
the act of observation changes the result every time and its a replicable experiment so you are wrong
im calling bullshit i dont think you have performed the experiment, its nothing to do with the wave forms canceling each other out, thats just a bullshit line you put so you sound like you know what you are talking about. im not pretending to be an expert, however you clearly are because you are chatting out your arse and blatantly lying, thus losing all credibility
@postmasterw00t The result is always the same, I have performed the double slit experiment multiple times with the same specifications with different observers and colleagues and the result is always as expected. Do you even know what the double slit experiment is? Why don't you google it and find out. You have no instruction in physics, and you have proved that point. I'm just pointing out that what you believe in is bullshit. It is you who isn't credible. I am informed in this field, not you.
@postmasterw00t Additionally, it is the wave forms canceling at specific points and being in sync at others. You have obviously not performed it yourself, as I can assure you any high school in my country performs it for children in physics classes during their study of Light. If your country does not do the same for your children, I feel sorry for them. It is not a difficult experiment at all to perform, and I encourage you once more to google it. It is also known as "Young's experiment."
not performed at the scale needed, you fire electrons through and you need something capable of measuring said electrons. when you measure the result it does not become a wave and interfere with itself, it stays as matter and only passes through one slit. measuring changes the result and if you cant accept that then you obviously know squat because its basically the cornerstone of quantum mechanics. this is not up for debate its proven fact, go look it up and stop being so ignorant
@postmasterw00t You don't even know what the double slit experiment is then, I told you to google it, but you refused to. Information is so readily available yet you choose to ignore it and you choose to pretend it's something else entirely. Unless you happen to possess a degree in quantum mechanics, which I'm sure others of greater calibur would disagree with you, I'm going to assume you're trying to bullshit your way to being credible. I gave you the opportunity to read up on the topic. srsly.
The Double slit experiment does indeed suggest that perhaps 'consciousness creating the universe' is true. You seem to not actually understand its implications.
i always feel a bit bad for dowsers, they generally so genuinely believe and they do look a little silly when they fail every (properly controlled) time. Great video.
When a person works with a dowsing pendulum they are communicating with their subconscious Adviser, You can conduct as many experiments as you like but your subconscious advisers decides what you are allowed to learn .
The only proof that exists is when a pendulum dowser receives an EYER in only one Eye just as I did during 1984. I am not a liberty to reveal what an EYER is, you must experience an EYER in only one Eye for yourself.
I dont buy into dowsing, but I think this experiment could have been carried out better. Dowsers claim to find underground streams, they could easily say that they need a flowing current to find, at least if we had a moving flow of water (the dowsers natural enviroment) we could flat out disprove it, as a tent with a bottle of evian is a bit cheap haha. They will only end up making excuses like they are picking up drain pipes under the ground beneath the tent. But who knows the budget lol
SensibleStan 1 day ago
I loved the guy who said that God was playing a joke on him when his dowsing failed. :)
dwkjo 1 week ago
Looks like there are 5 dowsers watching this
Mutherzmilk 3 weeks ago
You know, the one thing that these tests fail to do... is test dowsers in their "natural environment". I'm serious here, the logical majority of dowsing applications involve thousands of variables, all to do with the earth. A sanitary environment such as some buckets of water does not, and cannot compare to the innumerable variables involved in natural spring water/underground features. Tests in real situations, with teams dowsing in areas for a real purpose, is much more successful.
TheWookieWorks 3 weeks ago
@TheWookieWorks James Randi had people on his show who claimed they could do it under studio environments. If you can detect water with everything going in a natural environment then surely it would be far easier to detect in a studio environment. What variables do you speak of and how do they make it easier to detect water?
jcotter1888 3 weeks ago
@jcotter1888 You have a good point, but I read in one place that there was a test in Sri-Lanka where the dowsers had far more success locating water in a real situation. I suppose you are right, but I can't help but wonder if the same test was repeated with known natural springs in a normal outdoor environment would have different results. Yes, my character limit on the last comment kept me from stating the numerous skepticisms I have about this. I feel a science fair project coming...
TheWookieWorks 3 weeks ago
4:13 I love Richard Dawkins, making stupid people cry since 1941 :-D
DonQuichotteLiberia 2 months ago
Dowsing is real, it is how we found our well,
only certain people can do it though it's something to do with magnetic fields
ballahable 2 months ago
@ballahable
No. It's bullshit. There's been so many studies showing it's bullshit. One, to be fair, showed it's real (the infamous Munich study), but that studies results have been argued, and even then, something like 6 out of 500 studied showed "skill".
Regardless, as for you're well, in places with moderate rainfall you dig anywhere and you'll get water.
bersaba 2 months ago
@ballahable Can't explain something but want to sound smart? Magnetic fields did it!
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lightandbeautiful 4 months ago
Whilst I get great pleasure in watching these people being "debunked" I do wish Dawkins wouldn't behave in such a smug manner in the process. Randi was so much more charming in his tests...
neverbelievethehype 4 months ago 5
@neverbelievethehype Smugness is taught in British Public Schools.
iqwaxzi 4 months ago
@neverbelievethehype
Not having watched Randi's demonstrations, I cannot make a proper comparison. However, it would appear to me that Dawkins is more matter-of-fact than anything. What other reaction besides "HA you're effin' wrong" would suffice, especially when it comes to people who obviously find themselves compartmentalizing and adhering steadfast to their beliefs in light of obvious evidence to the contrary?
ReasonDefender 3 months ago
@ReasonDefender
You're absolutely right, I just don't think it helps the (rational) cause. Nevermind Randi, watch some of Carl Sagan's Cosmos - there's a great clip on here called "Carl Sagan explains evolution". It's far more charming.
neverbelievethehype 3 months ago
too f'n perfect.
19Tranc3r92 4 months ago
I think the mistake with some of these scientist is that they're looking for godlike powers... Before anyone calls me a looney, I'm speaking not about the dowsing but about the scientific methods used by this researcher as per my previous post
OtagoMark 4 months ago
the fact the scientist is standing in the room makes this a poor experiment, lets suppose there is a dowsing effect... and lets assume its not a god like ability like James Randi always looks for,. If a few of the dowsers by chance pick the same container in a row...the scientist will give away body language cues whenever a new dowser gets near that same container.. all unconsciously ofcourse... this could easily skewer results and mask any dowsing effect...
OtagoMark 4 months ago
@OtagoMark
Neither James Randi nor Dawkins are looking for god-like abilities. For example, applicants to Randi's challenge simply state what they supposedly know they can do and a test is conducted on the same scale, under controlled conditions to see if that claim is true.
Regarding the tester being present, there is no other choice if they are to ensure a fair experiment. The tester does not know which box the water is in, which should eliminate the problem you mentioned.
troy2062 4 months ago
@troy2062 Randi's test do set an extremely high bar though, its the nature of his challenge.
Scientists when testing fore psi use statistical power etc and large studies...this will never be the case With Randi's challenges
OtagoMark 4 months ago
@OtagoMark
The bar for Randi's test is agreed upon by the person being tested. They are specifically asked whether they are comfortable with the conditions of the test and feel they can demonstrate the abilities they claim to have in the same way they "usually" would.
One such client claims to have found Madeleine McCann, but that the government covered it up. The test she was put through was on an incredibly smaller scale.
troy2062 4 months ago
@troy2062 hehheh I know that..and you've already said that .....the bar is still high regardless though.
Thats what I meant by the nature of the test...because its an individual and theres no proper statisitcs to speak off, its a test for near perfect psi ability... Randi's challenge and lack of a winnercan in no way be evidence for a lack of real psi phenomena ...thats what I'm getting at
OtagoMark 4 months ago
@OtagoMark
The objective of the test is not to create evidence against supernatural phenomena, but to find the first evidence in support of something for which none has been found previously. While the failure of a person to perform does nothing to validate their claims, it does not say anything else either.
However, if even a few of the hundreds tested did possess a supernatural ability, the overall statistics should have shown even a slight deviation from the predicted margins of chance.
troy2062 4 months ago
@troy2062 Yes I realise that... but that is not what I was getting at.. and you're wrong.. there simply aren't enough people there to be tested to be able to say anything even if with a few testers there a few got really lucky,,, it would be meaningless because there isnt enough statistical power with a small numbers he was testing... I was making a comment about Randi , then you basically told me the same stuff back as if I didnt know lol
OtagoMark 4 months ago
@OtagoMark It it stated that the "tester/scientist" does not know which containers contain the water either.
SpineDaz 4 months ago
@SpineDaz His presence can still skewer the results though, very very easily. And his presence can skewer the results with him nor the people hes testing knowing it..as I explained to troy further down the thread
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MorgulBlade78 4 months ago
stupid people are funny, i hate them! but i dont want to live without them.
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jordanpasek 4 months ago
Many things have been speculated as to how Dowsing 'works'. One of the neatest ideas is that Dowsers will subconsciously calculate the most likely source of the thing they're looking for (out of knowledge they've collected over time) and then make tiny hand gestures without knowing it, pointing the Dowsing rods toward their "target"
combatcommand 5 months ago
I love the distraught look on that woman's face. It seems to say "you... you... you mean I DON'T have supernatural powers?"
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@EmDeeEmEY Where? From the Holy Spirit ~ Father ~ Mother, the Creator. Bless you brother
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5 people are dowsers.
fitzyp 6 months ago 2
"I feel the whole test...is wrong."
LMAO!
Nahojism 6 months ago
i do a lot of home remodeling and what i don't understand is that i dowse WEEKLY to trace buried water and cable lines before digging footers or post holes (using 2 squared ferrous wires). i've done it for 25 years and it's always accurate to a fraction of an inch. i'm astounded that there's a controversy. i'm also as shocked as those people in the video. every building contractor i know does it. it's common knowledge, an aircraft mechanic showed it to me! apparently i'm deluded?
stephenvaldes 6 months ago
@stephenvaldes We don't believe you.
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
@stephenvaldes
No, you're not deluded. I was sceptical about dowsing until I personally tried it,and found to my consternation that it actually worked.
markusass 6 months ago
@stephenvaldes or highly observant. Maybe you are subconsciously noticing slight variations of the ground. My 60 year old mother had a water leak, and my late grandfather was the only person to know where he laid the line. The city water department actually sent a dowser. As I watched him dowse the entire length of the line (over a mile), I realized I could see the level of the ground was slightly lower where the line was laid. He just followed that from the meter to the house.
Razrback11 6 months ago
lol i feel sorry for the woman.
selphiexfairy 6 months ago
Dowsing works by ideomotion action action connected with the subconscious part of the mind. So it does work it just wouldn't work in this trial because there is nothing for the subconscious to latch onto. I think the problem is the experimentors are assuming it either works as some kind of supernatural power or it doesn't work at all. There is a middle ground.
Enzo012 7 months ago
I made my own dowsing rods to try it out, and they detected ground water every time (when the rods crossed.) In the future, scientists like Dawkins will be seen as having a truly limited intellectual scope and scientific curiosity. Ultimately, he's stuck in the material world with his limited human senses, which can only detect a tiny fraction of the energy spectrum, so I wouldn't take what the bloke says too seriously.
markusass 7 months ago
@markusass Hear, hear!
staffansvahn 6 months ago
@markusass If we didn't take what 'the bloke' said too seriously, as well as countless other scientists of his caliber, then we wouldn't be where we are today. We'd probably still believe the world is flat. The fact that dowsing doesn't work, as clearly shown in this video, is completely incontrovertible. You're the one with the limited human senses, if you can still believe dowsing has any tangible basis. What merits are there to go on? Unless you yourself can prove otherwise, Dawkins is right.
Variasam2 6 months ago
@Variasam2 Dowsing DOES work -- that's what I found most surprising, coming at it from a sceptical angle. To me, Dawkins & co are part of the consensus material reality, that's not as real as they think it is. Thanks for the compliment btw about having "limited human senses." Believe me, I wish I was as ignorant as Dawkins is, then the world and all its mysteries would be as clear-cut and explainable as he thinks they are.
markusass 6 months ago
@markusass Google Confirmation Bias
That's why you believe that dowsing works. It doesn't.
ndrthrdr1 6 months ago
@markusass maybe you should watch the video. anecdotal stories don't prove anything. go do a controlled test and then come back.
selphiexfairy 6 months ago
To be perfectly honest, I think the test is bogus. Mind you, I do NOT believe in dowsing. However, in a real world environment, the water would not be enclosed in a bottle, and it would be underground, likely in mass quantity. Whether the 'dowser' knows it or not, he may notice a difference in the soil as he walks on it, or even smell a difference considering this, I believe was originally used in deserts. The dowsing stick would turn because he noticed something without realizing it.
skywize 7 months ago
Water in a plastic bucket may not have much energy, however- naturally running water under the ground definitely has detectable energy.
DrOzwald 7 months ago
@EmDeeEmEY You obviously have not met a true psychic. There are people in Mongolia and Kazakhstan who can tell many things about YOUR life without having ever met you nor even speak english- yet they will tell you exact NAMES (in English) and Places of people and events in YOUR life. So don't kid yourself.
DrOzwald 7 months ago
Dowsing has NOTHING to do with "Psychic." The world and everything within it (including all of us) is made up of energy. Anyone who does not think the energy within us does not react to the energy around us is sadly mistaken. Just watch one of the episodes of Real Housewives when things get out of hand...the energy between 2 people clashes and boom you have an argument. The same thing goes with Dowsing- which has been used successfully since the 15th century.
DrOzwald 7 months ago
@EmDeeEmEY
Bless ya Love... I'm not going to argue with someone so caught up in the system they are a slave to it. Bless you
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@EmDeeEmEY
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bobflam123 8 months ago
@EmDeeEmEY
And we're supposed to believe people to afraid to use their real name?
bobflam123 8 months ago
Hi! I was very surprised that a supposed objective scientific approach to reaching a conclusion was conducted so artificially. I' m not a scientist; but I would imagine that in order to conduct an accurate test it should be done by replicating the same conditions. It was not even close to the same conditions, plastic bottles above ground and in plastic tubs seems folly in this case, not at all convincing.
mwj5368 8 months ago
One problem is the test assumes the dowser can detect water through plastic. My understanding is plastic can be an insulator. If the dowser is unaware that plastic may block his detection of water, then he would have no objection to the test, which is flawed. To truly test a dowser's claim to find water in the ground, then the water should be tested in the ground, no where else (otherwise, the test is not testing the claim). Also, if the water is distilled, then it would be an insulator.
WhoseYourDaddy1000 9 months ago
@BlueZephyrTG I Fully and wholeheartedly agree. it is the strangest thing to sit and watch those who are faced with such intimidating reason, fact, logic, and the rest of it, flatly deny it. especially when they are a good twenty or thirty years older than me.
robbedofcontention07 10 months ago
Holy shit. I can't believe there are grown adults who actually believe in something so childish.
BlueZephyrTG 11 months ago 15
@BlueZephyrTG it is not a matter of "believing" anything. People have used Dowsing to find exact locations of water for centuries. Energy finding other energy. Before you debunk it- try it yourself...and not the way this stupid video shows. Go out in a field- have the dowsing rods find the water- dig down 50-70 feet...then come to the conclusion of whether or not it works. Because this is exactly how they have FOUND REAL WATER since the 1500s.
DrOzwald 7 months ago
The commentator says 'The only way to find out'..Sounds Familliar? I suppose in an
'Ideal world' All the 'Enemies of reason' would be rounded up and put into reeducation camps to impress upon the 'Ignorant and superstitious' the Virtues of reaso, if that fails they can die by some horrific logical procedure...
I bet Dorkins could even argue that the nazi concentration camps were a 'Rational
solution for those who did not fit the desired pattern..
niallobinghe 11 months ago
Austin Tassletine; Clearly Mental? You can judge that from a few comments..Wow..
The title of this experiment is 'Enemies of Reason'. Obviously, these arrogant Pricks
Want to 'Prove' something Therefore anything they can do to favour a result will make
them look intelligent, this includes an artificial environment, breathing down their necks..you will doubtless believe what you are told..
niallobinghe 11 months ago
It appears to me that most of the comments on this video come either from those
who have never dowsed or lack the ability due to a horriffic lack of sensitivity that
is evident wherever you look at human activity; We are so clever Mr. Dawkins,
which explains our oblivious closeness to extinction; Scientists are too busy being
a big part of the problem to come up with meaningfull solutions..
niallobinghe 11 months ago
@niallobinghe I don't mean to be rude, but you're clearly mental. This is a logical, reasonable experiment that's been conducted by in an open manner. Why on earth would a "state" make the result differ if dowsing is so powerful?
AustinTassletine 11 months ago
Another point is that under experimental conditions people are in a different state than
if they were simply dowsing. Also Scientists interact with the experiment affecting
the result; this phenomenon has been observed by Scientists,,OOps..
Every 'Answer gives you a new set of questions; Logic is the tool, not the master..
niallobinghe 11 months ago
Dawkins; This sad Individual has locked himself into his cerebral cortex and
refuses to believe in the validity of any other part of his brain..Clever?
all he really demonstrates is that sceptics habitually delete everything that does not conform to their perception of reason..'Humanists must be the most ignorant people
on the planet whilst believing they are the most inteligent..
niallobinghe 11 months ago
doesn't work with a small bit of standing water
rberaro 11 months ago
Kind of a lame job for the psychologist. He's spending his time and energy testing a phenomenon that he knows is completely bullshit.
CambridgeHeights 1 year ago
@CambridgeHeights He's looking at why people believe such woowoo it's important part of the human physiology. Many people believe in all kinds of rubbish.
Mankysteve 11 months ago
@Mankysteve In this video he is clearly testing them. He knows it's all bullshit, but he has to sit there for hours and pretend like this is an actual experiment.
CambridgeHeights 11 months ago
@CambridgeHeights and how would you know it's complete bullshit, asshole? They have done this successfully to find water (IN THE GROUND) since the 1500s. Have you ever tried it? If not, how can you claim bullshit? Wather in a plastic bucket has very little if any energy. Water under ground that is running has detectable energy.
DrOzwald 7 months ago
@DrOzwald get help.
CambridgeHeights 7 months ago
@DracOverLordHaton
I made a mistake in my earlier post, I meant schmuck- singular not plural. And that's putting it lightly. Oh, and I'm a geological engineer and can firmly say nobody in any geological fields including petrology (oil) uses dowsing. Nobody! You would be fired and ridiculed for mentioning it in a serious manner. Stick to dungeons and dragons, or whatever stupid thing you do and don't make things up and call them facts, you're not credible, and not fooling anyone. DowsBag.
geogineer 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton
Wow, I realize these posts are old, but I just have to say that if you are for real, and you're not acting like a douchebag for kicks, you're a complete idiot. I really hope you haven't and won't breed. You really are the most ridiculously stupid, delusional schmucks I've ever heard
geogineer 1 year ago
HAHA epic fails
oxcide101 1 year ago
Humans don't seem to understand that they themselves, just by being part of an experiment, can influence it often without them even realising. The ideomotor effect, for example. When it happens, they blame God, or spirits, or demons, or laylines, and end up looking utterly foolish to everyone other than themselves.
sulijoo 1 year ago
Some people with low self-esteem like to think they have special powers, like dowsing, because it makes them feel special. Sadly they'd be better of using tried and tested methods of improving their self-esteem and leave the mumbo jumbo out. My sympathy goes out to them for needing to do this. It's sad that they need to do it.
mikeyo1234 1 year ago
Hehe, "facts are boring, reality is boring, we'll keep believing in magic anyway!" It's hilarious. ..: )
winterstellar 1 year ago 14
@CoolGuuy23423 what are the other two parts of the documentary available on Youtube? I've been looking around trying to find them, and I've only found the ones on dowsing and psychic mediums.
NoNamesLeft0102 1 year ago
Love denial
zealot951 1 year ago
Listen right, I was looking at an article in The Universe just there, and it's about how dire things are re. the environment, how the media didn't even bother covering the UN Conference on Biodiversity - surely scientists need to band together and fight the actual enemy, eg AGW deniers and those industrial scumbags for example, not further attack the very people (subtle energies folks) who weren't listened to in the past - leading to the evil behind all ecological rape going on now still.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
I actually thought that Dawkins was just anti-religion for healthy reasons, the way that anyone seeking truth would at some point become concerned at the whole way it seems to make little sense on the surface etc. But dowsing? Things like that have never been used to say, murder witches and herbal healers, force beliefs on tribal peoples that don't suit them, burning people for knowing about how the solar system works. In fact - attacking dowsing etc is exactly the same as those burnings.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
Drac, the point is that all dowsers that have subjected themselves to double blind tests fail every time. The Amazing Randi's Million Dollar Challenge will award one million dollars to anyone who shows this type of ability. It has to be a fair test agreed to by both sides. Dowsing is just another fairy tale. Why are you taking this personally?
subductionzone 1 year ago
@subductionzone - if you claim that dowsing isn't real, you are either a liar and you know you're a liar - which then means you're an unforgivable evil, because you are causing very big problems since all evil is based on those same lies about how reality works, OR, you actually are so dangerously insane that you manage to stop things working properly in your (tele)presence. And if the latter is the case then you ought to know that you have that effect, and seek treatment at the least.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@subductionzone - why do the oil and gas prospectors use dowsing then, if it doesn't work? You chumps can't even deal with that being posted to you, you just pretend it's not true. Your mental-frequencies are declared a DOR zone.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton Oiol companies, for the most part, never ever use dowsing. There may be a few idiots here and there that do, but they will quickly go bankrupt if they use this rather than standard exploration techniques. When you make a ridiculous claim like this you need to support it with some sort of reference.
By the way, if this works can you name one test that supports its? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where is your evidence?
subductionzone 1 year ago
@subductionzone - where's your fucking evidence they don't? You maybe work for one such company, in one of their job posts. And you think you then know what they do elsewhere, even in that one place. Sums up how fucked up people like you are, that does. You're exactly the type of morons nobody even in the place you worked would bother to tell fuck all to.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
It's one thing to hate religion because there are reasonable causes not to trust a thing associated with so much lies and destruction - any reasonable person would question how there can be a god when clearly so many evil people are doing evil, which could be easily prevented.
But to claim things like dowsing aren't real - that is coming from exactly the same evil that infected religions to begin with.
'Sick building syndrome' is a big underlying cause of disease and stupidity & unawareness.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
Dawkins can talk down religion all he wants, but dowsing? I AM APPALLED
fakespotter 1 year ago
@fakespotter The target is a little too easy
rokl0bsta 1 year ago
These experiments are rubbish. How much water is under the ground beneath these flasks? The idea that a bottle of water could be detected is stupid. I could devise a better experiment.
adeworks 1 year ago
@adeworks - Devise a better experiment, then. Show us how you would test to see if dowsing abilities did exist, and explain to us better why a double-blind experiment is faulty.
FibonaziProductions 1 year ago
I know for fact that dowsing rods can find large metal objects, and "running" water...
The water in the bottles in not running, and not grounded...This is why the experiment failed...put some pipes with running water in the ground and I bet the success rate reaches 90% or more. I used to think they were BS until I actually gave them a go, and they crossed over every pipe in the yard, and also a large piece of aluminum siding I would have never known was there.
Gatlun 1 year ago
@Gatlun Sorry, it does not work for running water either. Do a Google search on The Amazing Randi in Australia. He did a similar double blind test a series of tubes where one had running water. Once again the dowsers did no better than what you would expect by random chance. Dowsers can accomplish only one thing, they can separate a fool and his money.
subductionzone 1 year ago 14
@subductionzone - lies and you know it. Nobody sane would ever claim that the existence of exploiters nullifies the area and knowlegde that the exploiters are exploiting. If you really actually personally know frauds who claim to be able to dowse, then unless you had no reasoning ability whatsoever you wouldn't apply their fraudulency to anyone else, purely because they work in the same field.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@subductionzone
Yes it does! I manage a duplex community in the country ran on wells. the owner had to go to city water and they had no plans of where the water lines were. I watched them do this to find those underground lines and it worked perfectly!
bobflam123 8 months ago
@Gatlun - they could have located the bottle, using Lethbridge rates. Can't remember offhand if there's rates for plastic (there might not be because it's artificial), but there should be for glass, and for water.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
Dowsing is bullshit.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago 3
@Mesarphelous - really, So why do the oil and mineral and gas prospectors use it then? They fleece you with their planet and health destroying systems, meanwhile they find the stuff they steal to sell to you, using pendulums and maps.
How can so many people be so fucking stupid. Oh wait, it's because they're all so toxic & unable to process their thoughts properly, cause of all the wrongly implemented systems.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton There is no such thing as magic. Sorry.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - in actual fact what there isn't - is any such thing as you being able to be even slightly correct, about anything.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton Since you're a simpleton who believes in the supernatural, please understand that I am putting a voodoo curse on you. Unga bunga. Ooga booga boo.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous = twat. Why do you fucking actual simpletons always think you can claim anyone clever is like you are. Like they won't be aware that you're actually the idiot.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton Another fine post from Youtube superster DracOverLordHaton, who is obviously suffering from my voodoo curse.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - cunts like you are all the same. You sit in your house posting your same talentless shite, over and over again, thinking that oh! you're soooo funny cause you copy the wrong worst sorts of trolls. Thinking that when you die we aren't going to send you straight to hell, just for that dumbfuck attitude you have there. oh! laugh!
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - consider the amount of people (and the ecosystem..) who have actually really suffered, all because of the kind of scum like you that think you can claim the way things actually work isn't real. And you think this is a fucking joke that you can spend years posting that same shit troll-baiting on. How do you even afford all the drugs you must be abusing?
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton Speak English, you fucking madman.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - kill yourself, you fucking pedo-cult useless-eater liar pile of shit. You're wrong, you know you're wrong, and you still fucking think you can be the way you are inside. You'll fucking be crying on your deathbed, wishing you hadn't been such an evil cunt in life. And god won't help you, and satan will just keep laughing cause they all know you're going to hell to the arse-raped & tortured for eternity, along with all your kind.
And you don't speak English right, cunt.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - your avatar / user picture looks like Vlad the Impaler, is that who it is? Have you ever impaled yourself on your own cock after taking loads of viagra, 'just to see if it works'?
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton I am shocked by your uncouth language good sir.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - oh you're that 'I challenge you to a duel' guy. Ok whatever. Keep the old times alive.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton You challenged me, you pathetic, arrogant cunt.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - no, cause I don't do that. I see people being arses and tell them so. Why do you think I challenged you? To what, cause it'd obviously have to be something you could write in a youtube comment then, so what is it?
Arrogant, nah. Knowing something is right and saying so is not arrogance. Nor is it pathetic, follow that on cause I do all else that way also. I doubt that you do. You don't sound like you know how to find what's right & then side with it.
Cunt, not a Nathan Barley no
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - re. what I wrote about The Universe, your thoughts on those actually real and very dangerous problems? Do you go through life thinking that all the things you use to keep you alive and breathing, somehow you could just make them all? Go then, make a universe, I'll come live in it for a bit and let you know what physics you got wrong...remember and make sure the gravity isn't as shit as in this one, we want to be able to leap high up - but not leave the planets orbit.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - I think that inside, all of you people that relieve yourselves online by making channels etc so you can be nasty or just an arse, you must know how stupid this all is, you just don't have whatever it is that I use to not deal with it how you do. It's like you just give up, and don't find out who's (as in - what kind of behaviour, thinking) actually to blame, then you go around harming all those who're the very ones that can turn this around and put it all right.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton When presented with proof of your faggotry, you suddenly become all thoughtful and introspective.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - no, your other channels mean I had to recalculate. I haven't suddenly become anything, your mind is just differently affected by this username and user picture. I don't see how you posting inane rubbish proves anything at all about anyone, least of all lies that I'm a homo. Even just in claiming that, you actually proved yourself to be sexually fucked up - you must be sitting there with a buttplug in as you post your comments, to be that messed up.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - If you think I'm a fag, then what blokes do I fancy then, and what's my name as a male human on Earth? You must know those two things if you are so sure I'm a homo.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton You're a bad man. You're a very bad man.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - more projection from you - someone who is clearly extremely evil, as you continue to provide no evidence whatsoever for your abuse, yet you believe you can keep it going. You're the same pedo-cult that logged me out of here yesterday and that changed my uni email password. And you think you can claim your evil shit about me, someone who lives right and isn't a useless eater cunt like you are.
Go faggotscum, what blokes do I fancy then? From what male incarnation here?
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton "You're the same pedo-cult that logged me out of here yesterday and that changed my uni email password."
Haha what the fuck
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - the fact you went way off your usual pattern of replying me from there alone........
oh but I suppose you think you can explain why that last comment I made to you before this one got you replying so soon? Yeah sure, you just happened to check your youtube channel there much earlier today, than what you usually do. You people are really stupid.
Still fuck-all from you as to who I'm meant to be and what men I have a homofaggot eye on. Not thought any lies up yet then?
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton I'm sorry that some dickhead hacked your account or whatever. You're still a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur. And speaking of males that you're inordinately obsessed with, I seem to appear at the top of the list.
Dowsing: Still bullshit.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - is it fuck para-schizo, and you know that cause what you choose to go along with in life - spiritual corruption, pretending to not be in league against god and all the usual that most of you infidel scumfucks think will get you anywhere - is the same basis as why those tards fuck with my accounts.
Fuck you, Tellurianism is true, the Vril will get rid of all you scum that raped this planet and spread your evil saying stuff like dowsing ain't real, it'll be the basis of the 'NWO'.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - and I'm hardly obsessed with someone I have absolutely no liking nor respect for, because I happen to not take any shit from imbeciles on the fucking internet.
The Coming Race goan fuck all of yall up.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - also, you neither explained why you believe I challenged to you something. Is that just one of your made-up things you post cause you're so bored?
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton Stop posting, you bloody lunatic.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - And why would that be? Is it getting in the way of you feeble mind trying to convince yourself of some scenario that really doesn't actually exist perhaps?
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - you're going to hell btw..
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@DracOverLordHaton You're fucking coo-coo for cocoa puffs. Magic does not exist. Dowsing does not exist. Hell does not exist.
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - yeah you keep telling yourself that, as if it'll make any difference to the actual reality of it somehow magicing itself away just because you think you can make it all disappear by telling me lies that it isn't real. Did they ever make the models that are dumer than you or couldn't they even figure out how to stand up?
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
@Mesarphelous - cause from all your comments you've proved what an intellectual heavyweight you are, not like all those multi-channels of the pedo-cult, who post the same garbled insanity so obviously sprung from personal biased obsessions that they have only because they haven't ever begun to sort their own souls out nor do any work on their inner emotional development.
You freaks are ridiculous, go back to emotional-body-clearing classes 101 cause all of your MPDs failed it bigtime.
DracOverLordHaton 1 year ago
the plastic containers are not grounded. flawed!
marcjtdc 1 year ago
I don't really believe the rod dowsing for water, you can clearly see the slight hand movements. My pendulum seems pretty accurate when I ask it yes/no questions though could be fluke. Still I enjoy using my pendulum even if science says it doesn't work.
pinkygirl1999 1 year ago
@blaiseawood
I think you're full of shit.
Mark73 1 year ago
@blaiseawood Is that a condition that dowsers require to detect? If it were, I would imagine that these people wouldn't have agreed to the conditions of the test, right? So I can't imagine how that invalidates the test results, all parties agreed to it, no one was forced. And I'm sure if anyone would know if this "movement" is necessary, it would be these dowsers.
objectivegopher 1 year ago 4
@objectivegopher Its a common reaction, especially after a James Randi test, they agree to the test conditions and then come up with lame excuses as to why there is some sort of problem and want to change it, they are just upset that they cant perform the action once cheating is removed
deathman1021 11 months ago
Does the researchers know or care whats below the ground! How about the skeptical observer effecting the out come. Try singing if you someone in the audience desn't like your voice. It effects me emotionally. Come on Richard D your becoming as closed shop as the people you set out to debunk.
Nottinghill2010 1 year ago
dawkings is very very left sided brain
and very very closed minded
dowsing is real, its been proven to be true, the councils use them in england to find out whteher the land is stable for development, THE FUCKING LOCAL ENGLISH COUNCILS PAY SOMEBODY TO DOUSE FOR THEM
postmasterw00t 1 year ago
@postmasterw00t Then that's an embarrassment to human society and the human being as a race. Dowsing is false.
KazuoACT 1 year ago
@KazuoACT
open your mind a bit, you cant prove its false, the only proof this video is a one sided experiment on tv with selected footage
sure dowsing you be false but its been used for centuries and is recorded in history far back, the romans used it and it was highly effective according to their records and history.
i dont think planning agencies and councils would use it if it was bollocks to be honest
postmasterw00t 1 year ago
@postmasterw00t So, slavery has been used for centuries and is recorded in history far back, do you still support the use of slaves? I'm sure councils and planning agencies also used it quite a long time ago. That doesn't change that slavery is wrong and shouldn't be used, and just because it has a history, doesn't mean dowsing is right and should be used. We are trying to move forward and evolve, not regress into the dark ages.
KazuoACT 1 year ago
@KazuoACT
your argument makes no sense, dowsing doesn't hurt anyone, slavery does
dowsing is still performed, slavery is not around anymore
also dowsing is not regressing, dowsing allows one to use intuition for useful purposes, if anything its progressive. how were the pyramids built? there is strong evidence to suggest some ancient knowledge is more advanced than we have today.
also councils use dowsing all the time, and in the modern day so do some research and stop being so ignorant.
postmasterw00t 1 year ago
@postmasterw00t Suppose I claimed that I could read your mind. Suppose I claimed this was truth. You would accept this as true because you've likely heard of people doing this in the past, and "We're too close minded, so we must accept this claim of truth." Again, I'm sure if someone was in court for having a slave, and they said "Well we used to think it was right and it's been done for a long time." That wouldn't stand. Dowsing is taking scientific thought backwards, it's bullocks.
KazuoACT 1 year ago
@KazuoACT
ok im not going to reply to the next post u make all im going to say is, your obviously ignorant, regardless of whether or not dowsing is bullshit. your ignorant and a closed minded douche. bye
postmasterw00t 1 year ago
Regardless whether dowsing works or not there are some problems with this experiment, firstly the controls for the experiment(the bottles of sand or water) are above ground this is not normal for the dowsers themselves. Secondly they should not be placed in containers(those blue bins) as we do not no whether they will interfere in some way. Thirdly water should not be the only thing used in this experiment but another control like iron/steel. IMHO the experiment is weak on the science side.
linz2d 1 year ago
that looked like wet sand to me,or could there be water in the ground ,where this was done,like in the yard under the tent, you did not trick me,there is water in the ground, daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
joe18370 1 year ago
I tried dowsing as a sceptical, naive 13yr old many years ago and I can simply say it worked for me. I had the rods in tubes and each time I passed over certain spots on the ground the wires would cross, I'd move away or keep going and they would straighten up. This wasn't a wishy washy movement but rather a 'strong' and definite movement from both at the same time. Don't know what it meant or was 'detecting' but it did happen very clearly.
togalogs 1 year ago
@togalogs You should read about confirmation bias and other cognitive biases that can cause people to perceive coincidences as being important or significant. Because we know unequivocally that dousing is nonsense, you should instead think about other explanations for your experience (for example, there might have been water under the majority of the area you were dousing in).
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy YOU think you 'know unequivocally that dousing is nonsense', that doesn't make it FACT.
Yes, much can be measured by science but there are some things and events which simply cannot - 'science' is limited by human intelligence and knowledge after all.
When I tried dousing I wasn't even looking for water and had no clue what to expect. I'd seen it done on TV and thought I'd use some coat hanger wire and empty pen tubes to give it a go - they moved at the same locations every time.
togalogs 1 year ago
@togalogs Rational people do not believe in "supernatural" phenomena without a natural explanation. Even if you can't explain why you found water while dousing, the rational response would be "I don't know why I found water while dousing, but there is probably some natural explanation I don't know yet," not "dousing works."
Also, having it move at the same location multiple times isn't exactly strange; you know how Ouija boards work, right?
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago 2
@BenkaiDebussy Again you are basing your ideas on the limited knowledge of humans. Humans only 'know' what they have discovered - everything scientists think about the universe is only based on what they know, and what they know isn't the full picture. I'm not saying 'dousing works', I'm saying I was convinced 'something' happened when I tried it, something more that luck or coincidence. Its foolish to completely close your mind to other possibilities because some scientists say so...
togalogs 1 year ago
@BenkaiDebussy
how is that rational?
rationality basically means according to you "if something strange happens it must be something completely normal and i just haven't figured it out yet"
that irrational in my opinion, people are way too closed minded these days and cling tightly to science, however science itself is proving that the world is a very mysterious place, quantum physics for example has shown that consciousness creates the universe, the double slit experiment
postmasterw00t 1 year ago
@postmasterw00t Quantum physics says nothing of the sort. You're mixing up physics with a bunch of speculation by people who aren't physicists.
Your problem seems to be that you're not willing to admit that we simply don't understand certain things. Just because we don't understand some phenomenon doesn't mean that it has a supernatural explanation. You're assuming that because a scientist can't explain something that we should automatically accept a supernatural alternative.
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago
@postmasterw00t The double slit experiment has nothing to do with "consciousness creating the universe." That's a simple observation on wave forms canceling eachother out. I know this, because -I've- performed this experiment multiple times. Next time you pretend to be an expert on something, pick a field you actually have done extensive learning in from a real expert, instead of cereal box characters who had a degree printed on the back of a chinese takeout menu.
KazuoACT 1 year ago
@KazuoACT
the act of observation changes the result every time and its a replicable experiment so you are wrong
im calling bullshit i dont think you have performed the experiment, its nothing to do with the wave forms canceling each other out, thats just a bullshit line you put so you sound like you know what you are talking about. im not pretending to be an expert, however you clearly are because you are chatting out your arse and blatantly lying, thus losing all credibility
postmasterw00t 1 year ago
@postmasterw00t The result is always the same, I have performed the double slit experiment multiple times with the same specifications with different observers and colleagues and the result is always as expected. Do you even know what the double slit experiment is? Why don't you google it and find out. You have no instruction in physics, and you have proved that point. I'm just pointing out that what you believe in is bullshit. It is you who isn't credible. I am informed in this field, not you.
KazuoACT 1 year ago 2
@postmasterw00t Additionally, it is the wave forms canceling at specific points and being in sync at others. You have obviously not performed it yourself, as I can assure you any high school in my country performs it for children in physics classes during their study of Light. If your country does not do the same for your children, I feel sorry for them. It is not a difficult experiment at all to perform, and I encourage you once more to google it. It is also known as "Young's experiment."
KazuoACT 1 year ago
@KazuoACT
not performed at the scale needed, you fire electrons through and you need something capable of measuring said electrons. when you measure the result it does not become a wave and interfere with itself, it stays as matter and only passes through one slit. measuring changes the result and if you cant accept that then you obviously know squat because its basically the cornerstone of quantum mechanics. this is not up for debate its proven fact, go look it up and stop being so ignorant
postmasterw00t 1 year ago
@postmasterw00t You don't even know what the double slit experiment is then, I told you to google it, but you refused to. Information is so readily available yet you choose to ignore it and you choose to pretend it's something else entirely. Unless you happen to possess a degree in quantum mechanics, which I'm sure others of greater calibur would disagree with you, I'm going to assume you're trying to bullshit your way to being credible. I gave you the opportunity to read up on the topic. srsly.
KazuoACT 1 year ago 2
@KazuoACT
The Double slit experiment does indeed suggest that perhaps 'consciousness creating the universe' is true. You seem to not actually understand its implications.
adeworks 1 year ago
WTF is dowsing.
Houshalter 1 year ago
i always feel a bit bad for dowsers, they generally so genuinely believe and they do look a little silly when they fail every (properly controlled) time. Great video.
alexkidd3d 1 year ago 2
dowsing . . . An uncanny resemblance to "Downsing" i.e committing actions only people with downs syndrome could.
Bleachfanoftheyear 1 year ago 3
When a person works with a dowsing pendulum they are communicating with their subconscious Adviser, You can conduct as many experiments as you like but your subconscious advisers decides what you are allowed to learn .
The only proof that exists is when a pendulum dowser receives an EYER in only one Eye just as I did during 1984. I am not a liberty to reveal what an EYER is, you must experience an EYER in only one Eye for yourself.
jrnjames1 1 year ago
If you're trying to prove dowsing, I'd recommend not saying "I'm not at liberty to say" in your proof. Only makes it sound even more like bull.
DarthLlama226 1 year ago
@jrnjames1 haha you're totally nuts
BenkaiDebussy 1 year ago