@ Hudathan: Manny is holding 7 division and nobody had done that before either, and likewise Manny not only represents the Philippines, he also represents all Asian country. As you said you don't have the right to compare Manny to anybody to the old greatest, but that's what just you did at the end, and what do you mean by keep it real? You keep it real, coz who are you to say that? You dare to disagree the people in the media who knows about boxing. Your not even born during Armstrong time.
@ChicChikBoom I am one of the people in the media. So go ahead and point out all the people who said Manny belongs up there with the greatest of all time. His seven titles make him the best fighter currently, but it's my opinion that he's got a long way to go to be mentioned with those names. Sorry if you don't like that.
@Hudathan : Wa ha ha ha! Yeah, right! In your dreams, but do keep on dreaming it might come true. If you are, you should not be in youtube, but I doubt it ngek! Keep it in your head anything you say is your opinion YOUR NOT A PROFESSIONAL ANALYST! Then go ahead argue with Bob Arum and to some professional analyst. If I disagree with you it doesn't mean that I don't like it, its just you dare to disagree to a professional analyst that who's been there since Ali's time.
@ChicChikBoom I'm a sportswriter and a producer at Leave it in the Ring, a radio show that any consistent boxing fan here on YouTube are quite familiar with. You think Bob Arum is an example of a professional analyst? You're the one who's dreaming. Go ahead and list what the 'professional analyst that who's been there since Ali's time' said about Manny Pacquiao that contradicts with what I've said in my video, not that I expect any real stuff from you.
@Hudathan : Bwa ha ha! Really? I did not see even your shadow in a television analizing a boxers fight. Of course Bob Arum his been there forever, while your still in your mother's womb. We can just argue all day long still you are not a professional anayst to have the right to do the comparison, as you said you don't have a license and your not a professional so keep it that way.
imagine pacquiao's offense and power and mayweather jr.'s defense in one boxer..now that's a well rounded fighter. You can't have both..that's life. He has yet come around.
@tkathryyn That would actually be awkward because Manny and Floyd has conflicting styles and wouldn't mesh well. We've had guys who were very talented on both sides of the equation, Sugar Ray Leonard comes to mind.
But Henry Armstrong was given pushovers before he got the big fights. Manny doesn't have that luxury. Manny is always given the big enchaladas. Starting from the 1st Barrera fight, he's faced opponents with champion/great/hall of famer status. I can't say that of Armstrong. In short you'll have to factor in the quality of fights in order to make a rational choice.
RGN07, Manny wasn't always fighting at the world level neither, he had to come from somewhere as well. Once Henry Armstrong became a world champion at Welterweight, he made numerous defenses against the top contenders of his time. Except for Manny's excellent accomplishments at the Featherweight level, he has not yet settled in at a higher division and proved himself champion. If he were to be compared to Armstrong, then his career must go on for much longer and remain successful.
Hudathan, there's one factor though that goes against Arnstrong and that's the 1930s. During that time gangsterland ruled just like gambling and liquor, the Al Capones and other New York mobsters controlled horse racing and boxing among other sports. It would be naive to think that fighters of that era notably a Henry Armstrong type /caliber were spared the lures of big money and victories. Although i can't say for sure, it's just unsettling to even make a fair comparison.
Well i just hope HA's career success was purely due to his skills as a professional boxer. There have been others whose success involved pre-arranged engagements esp during that era. I can't t this day understand why Liston couldn't get up after what seemed to be a one punch right cross by Cassius clay. Sure he could have gone down but why he stayed on the floor is a big mystery.
RGN07, Clay's one punch KO of Liston is definite a shady fluke, most real boxing fans will admit that. However, Henry Armstrong's career should not come under scrutiny. He fought the best contenders of his time and went through wars in order to defeat them decisively.
Ok then, i'm not too well informed about HA's career enough to add more comments other than he was a great fighter whose skills fighters of today should learn from.
if berto wins hes fighting berto for sure ANOTHER b class fighter!
if mosley wins HANDS DOWN looks sharp jabs throws the right and lands HE DUCKING MOSELY AGAIN........
he will then fight maliagini:) or sum other punk dik that u will pay 50 bucks for. while the rest of us will pay for another pacquaio fight AND GUESS WHAT ENJOY IT SEE ANOTHER GREAT FIGHT
Dude!!! you're still making stupid blogs about boxing, you don't know shit about boxing bro. This ain't kung fu, And what the hell you talking about "the closest thing into P4P no. 1 fighter" he is P4P king moron, eve Teddie Atlas even said he's the P4P king of this generation so just shut your mouth
@Hudathan speaking of the original weigh class. Pacquiao have won 4 of the 8 original weight class. No person in history has ever won world titles in 4 of the original 8 weigh classes ever! only Henry Armstrong are the only close to Manny Pacquiao.
No one can compare eras cause back then, rules were not as strict. Hand wraps with plaster, thinner gloves, enhancing drugs, etc... all were used back then or undetectable. Fights were fixed due to the color of their skin or controlled by Mafia etc... so lots of factors went into the fight game back then. Now, with modern technology and stricter laws, you really need to be on top of the game to be a "great" fighter. Fights are still fixed today case in point, Bute/Andrade #1 fight. Peace!
David, don't lecture me on haterade because that being hypocrite on your part. I called you a bi-polar and you got back at me and called me a troll, so, that's even. The only thing is, I don't put words into your mouth. You and your viewers can go back at your videos and can verify that you really said those words that i quoted you on. Another reason i think why you hate Manny is because he always proves you wrong on your pre fight predictions on him.
ome0407, my viewers don't need to go back and look at anything, if they objected to anything in my video then they would have said so. If anything, they should have noticed all the times you accused me of things like 'Manny hater' and 'Marquez fan' simply because my opinions differ from yours. I've addressed everything you've quoted, people are welcome to all of it.
I agree with ome0407. David predicts on Pacquiao to win since he does not have the balls to side with the other boxer even though deep inside he wants MP to lose. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. He contradicts himself and gives some lame excuse when you call his hand on it. There are hordes of more knowledgeable commentators that know the sport from the inside that puts MP as one of the all time greats. Not David. I would go for the more qualified opinions. David makes up stuff.
I'll tell you what.. If Manny wins against Floyd in a dominating fashion whether it is a unanimous decision or a KO, then Manny pacquiao DEFINITELY belongs with the ALL TIME GREATS!
Even if Floyd's defense is probably one of the best in history, Personally I think Manny will come out victorious.. He is still underestimated, what I saw with Cotto was unbelievable.. The left uppercut that caused the knockdown was so fast it was almost invisible!
whats up David. Doesnt Armstrong have only 3 of the original championship belts?..........Manny has 4 of the 8 original championship belts; however, you still do not consider Manny to be one of the ATG?..........He is called the "HENRY ARMSTRONG" of this era not "better than Henry Armstrong" If what Manny's feat was such an easy thing to do then how come no one has done it before.
vinamel97, what Manny did is not easy, in fact I said he is the best fighter of our current generation. The difference between Armstrong's titles and Manny's is that Manny doesn't have the undisputed championships. If people want to say he's 'like' Armstrong then that's fine, they can say whatever they want. But many people are doing exactly what you've written, claiming he has 4 of 8 original titles while Armstrong only has 3, completely ignoring the difference between titles then and now.
David, on the hatton fight you called it a decision/ (slash) late round TKO victory for Manny. On the Cotto fight you called it an EVEN fight and gave Manny (i quote you:) a "SLIGHT, JUST A SLIGHT EDGE" victory. Of course everybody saw that Manny knocked down hatton in the 1st and took him out in the 2nd. On the cotto fight, it was a LOPSIDED (not even) victory for manny. You never said you were wrong on your predictions because you don't have the balls and not man enough to admit it.
ome0407, since you love to break down my predictions, how about if I just rode the fence and said Manny would win in my videos without giving any more details, then you would be looking for something else to pick on. It's funny that you talk about 'having balls' when you have no such predictions nor videos of your own. If you disagree with me, why don't you put your thoughts and perspective down in your own videos, you certainly have plenty to say on mine.
hey chinese man ,homicide henk armstrong got the 3 original weight classes pacquiao got 4 of that original weight classes.only one in the sport of boxing who ever done that before just pacquiao in my point of view pacquiao is better than henry armstrong watch and learn watch and learn
Yet you continue to under estimate him even after the fact that he maulled Diaz, Dela Hoya, Hatton and Cotto. You even trash his achievement of conquering 7 division titles (which no boxer has ever done) by saying division titles don't mean anything these days. You are a Pacquiao hater and i believe that the HATERS video clip you made is specifically applicable for you.
ome0407, I don't need to say anything more about the '7 titles' accomplishment because it's understood by everyone in the boxing community except Pacquiao diehards that belts these days do not represent championships. Oscar De La Hoya had titles in 6 divisions, I guess he was tied for the best of all time with Manny before Manny got a 7th? So you got me all wrong brother, you might want to go back and watch my Haters video again because you obviously didn't get it the first time around.
Here's my analysis on you David. You are a Marquez fan and you hate Manny bec their 1st fight was a draw and the 2nd was a split decision. I may entertain your argument that marquez possibly have won their 2nd fight but majority of analysts called it a very close fight and the 3rd round knockdown was the diciding factor. After that fight Manny has evolved from a left hand knockdown careless brawler to being a complete fighter.
Here's my analysis on you ome0407, you're a troll who puts words in peoples mouths. I've covered every argument you've tried to bring up, so I'm done with you.
shut the fuck up dude! manny is great better than your analysis! ur anaysis is boring when you against by manny! u said that manny is not consider as a ATG!???? lols!!! you are nothin!!@
manny is a super star~! without manny TOP rank is boring~! without manny boxing is boring! manny dedicated his life to boxing history!
he is the only one!!!!
pinoy pride! who else can predict this comment???!
David, Did you just say top 30, 50? you're such a jerk man. I've watched your Pacquiao vs Hatton result & analysis video and because you made a very terrible prefight prediction and stunned by Manny's win, you went to the extent of saying Manny can go down as one of the all time greats, maybe even TOP 5 TOP 10 list. You have serious flaws and contradictions on your analysis. You are bipolar. Better take your medication first before recording your next video to avoid having a split personality.
ome0407, I picked Manny to win in both Hatton and Cotto bouts, but I didn't see any videos from you. You should put the Haterade down and go do something productive.
ome0407, at the time we were talking about his comparisons to the best of the best such as Armstrong, so I said I don't think he deserves to be up there right now. If we're talking about an all time top 20, 30, 50 list then we can certainly put him up there, but isn't that pretty redundant? I'm only responding to the hype right now claiming his accomplishments are up there with the top fighters in the history of this sport, and I don't see enough accomplishments for that yet.
"in addition to his athleticism he has now a COMPLETE repertoire of boxing tools boxing skills" then you stated "Manny will never be the most COMPLETE fighter"
You are" Hesistant to compare fighters from different eras since "I'm not qualified". Peolpe are comparing Manny to Armstrong.
Then you said "This is where I draw the line, there is really no comparison between MP and HA." But you said you are not qualified to compare. Please clarify.
dralq, Manny has all the tools he needs to be an all around effective offensive fighter, but he's not going to have a great defense to go with it. As for me being hesitant to compare fighters, I don't have the experience needed to compare Manny's win over Cotto with say Leonard's win over Hagler, or Ali's win over Liston, etc. But the comparison to Henry Armstrong is an easy one to discuss, because Armstrong has a unique resume and is one of a handful of absolutely top fighters of all time.
I agree that Pac can't be compared to Armstrong in terms of what Armstrong did in holding titles in 3 of the original 8 weight classes at the same time. However, he can be compared to him as far as winning titles in 4 of the original 8 weight classes. Pac has won titles at Flyweight, Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight. That has never been done by anyone else. Even Armstrong was not able to do that although he came close. IMHO, thats pretty close to what Armstrong accomplished.
Gravitas, with so many titles these days they really don't mean anything. Armstrong won undisputed championships and defended his Welterweight title many times. Manny gets props for coming up in weight and getting stronger as he wins more titles than anyone else today, but the quality of his accomplishments are diluted by the nature of boxing today. If we go by the number of titles, then De La Hoya was the near equal of Armstrong as well, and so is Mayweather Jr.
Of course titles don't mean as much these days. Ever heard of Tzolt Erdei. Yeah, he's the WBA or WBC cruiserweight or light heavyweight. So what you're saying is a given.
Titles mean something, however, when you've done it in 4 of the original 8 weight classes. That means something in any era. Sheesh, nobody's ever done it. De La Hoya and Mayweather didn't go up and kick ass fr Superfeatherweight to Welterweight in the span of 1 1/2 years as Pac has. Bad comparison to make.
Gravitas, I'm only using De La Hoya and Mayweather as examples because people are so hung up on the 7 world titles. Is Manny special? Of course, I said that in my video. He gets props for the fighters he has defeated in dominating fashion, I never said otherwise. Henry Armstrong won the Lightweight and Welterweight titles while weighing 126 within the same year, so I guess that's a bad comparison to make as well?
The Armstrong comparison you just made is better. But look at what you're doing. You're actually coming up with an example to compare Armstrong with Pac's accomplishment of going up from Superfeath to Welterweight and dominating within 1 1/2 years. I think that's telling.
I never said Pac's accomplishments equal Armstrong's. They are, however, comparable, which you've just shown.
Gravitas, I think it's fair if we say Manny's accomplishments remind us of Henry Armstrong, but some say he is a modern day Armstrong, or that he has 4 of the original 8 titles and has surpassed Armstrong. It's those extreme angles which I'm responding against. Seems like many Pacquiao fans are too sensitive to hear someone say he's NOT as good as another fighter. All they want is to heap praise upon praise, and you are a hater if you don't do the same.
Agreed. Manny has definitely not surpassed nor even matched Armstrong. But I think when people say "Modern day Armstrong", they're basing that comparison on the limitations of today's boxing, which you've acurately pointed out. "Modern Day", is modern day, not the golden age of boxing. Pac is the modern day version of Armstrong, with the limitations of Modern Day boxing. I think it is still an honor for Pac to be mentioned in that light and speaks of the mark he has made in boxing history.
David, don't get mad at me. It was you who said that you are NOT QUALIFIED not me. I completely agree with you that Pacquiao's achievements do not match up to those of Armstrong and Robinson. But for you to say that Pacquiao does not deserve to be in the all time greatest list right now is a product of your low quality mediocre analysis or you're just plainly being bias.
ome0407, I've never said Pacquiao does not deserve to be remembered as an all time great, I only said he doesn't match up to Armstrong since that's the one comparison everyone keeps on making.
David, a fair and universal criteria in selecting a boxer to be in the all time greatest list is his winning percentages, KO percentage, quality of opposition, In-ring performance, achievements, # of belts, dominance and mainstream appeal. Manny pacquiao has somewhat scored high on each of these criterion that's why Bert Sugar (a boxing historian) has said Manny could easily be in the top 20 or top 10 perhaps. Like you said bro, you are not qualified so, nobody should listen to you.
ome0407, you spend multiple paragraphs saying the same thing I've been saying, except you're eager to claim my opinions are wrong. Did I say Pacquiao wasn't a great fighter? I don't think his resume is comparable to the best of the best like Robinson and Armstrong, so if you disagree with my criteria and think I shouldn't be listened to then stop commenting on my videos.
David, no it's not Armstrong's fault. It's your rediculous way of of formulating your all time greatest list. If your main criteria in order to be in your atg list is the number of times a boxer fought and/or defend his title, then, no fighter will ever be greater than Robinson and Armstrong because nobody will have the opportunity to fight as many times a year as they did.
even if it is possible, pacquiao will never be able to accomplish what henry armstrong did in terms of having 3 division titles at the same time and defending 1 title 8 times because the fight circumstances will not allow it. By your way of reasoning, if superman will be a boxer in this era a man who is faster than a speeding bullet and a man of steel will never be able to out perform armstrong because fight circumstances are different from 1930 compared to 2009.
ome0407, you're right, and? Is it Armstrong's fault that boxing isn't the way it used to be? Should a guy get a promotion at a job without the credentials?
@ome0407 You are talking about a non human super hero who is never exist. LOL!!!. Just compare the reality and the truth behind boxing. Manny Pacquaio in this day is the one who call him a Super hero in Boxing and he does exist in this planet comparing to your Superman who is never exist!!! LOL!!!
Robinhood0328 It is a figure of speech used to emphasize a point. If you have an indepth knowledge of the English language, you'll understand what i'm saying.
ome0407 No use discussing anything here. David is a Pacquiao hater. Watch previous clips post de la Hoya fight. How can he be cocksure of himself as if he was there and attended Armstrong's fights. He always hedges. He cannot be a true analyst because of bias. "Pacquiao will Never be a well rounded fighter" yeah , right. Listen to more qualified analysts.
How does a fighter builds his resume? of course by fighting. henry armstrong started his career in 1931 and ended it on 1945. Pacquiao started his in 1995. in the same lengths of both fighters career (15yrs), armstrong accumulated 180 fights while pacquiao 55 fights. armstrong was able to build his resume impressively because circumstances will allow it. like you said fight circumstances are different from 1 era to another.
How can you put sugar ray robinson, henry armstrong, Ali, Duran, Pep, dempsey, louis, marciano, etc. IN THE SAME LIST when this fighters came from different eras?
How can you have a list of fighters considered to be all time greats when you just stated it is imposible to compare a fighter from one era to another? How can you put sugar ray robinson, henry armstrong, Ali, Duran, Pep, dempsey, louis, marciano, etc when this fighters came from different eras?
You have stated that it is impossible to compare the fighters from one era to another. Does that mean you don't have a list of all time greatest fighters?
ome0407, I said Manny does not deserve to be in the all time greatest list RIGHT NOW, he deserve to be remembered but not alongside someone like Armstrong unless he accomplishes much more. I personally have a handful of fighters whom I consider to be all time greats because their resumes speak for themselves, but it's not possible for me to sit around comparing the good fighters from each era and trying to decide how to rank them in some top 50 list, then it becomes too subjective.
@Hudathan and ome0407. may i butt in your discussion about ATG in general. I AM NOT QUALIFIED to make a list of ATG but, i see that if NO ONE can make an OBJECTIVE list with REAL quantifiable criteria, then there can not be a real ATG. any TOP of the heap list will just be OPINIONS of UNQUALIFIED people while doing videos and commentaries. Try making a list of people whose OPINIONS you would take as ACCEPTABLE and ask them to rack them up (boxers) in an ATG list. See if you get anywhere.
no they're not. your first statement basically entertains the idea that Manny does NOT deserve to be in the all time greatest list. while your second statement says he will end up in the all time greatest list.
David, as the discussions continue, you begin contradicting yourself. You said in your video that it is debatable weather or not Manny can be put in the list of alltime greatest fighters, yet in your last response to me you said: "Pacquiao might very well end up as an all time great". Make up your mind bro.
With all due respect man. I only got this info from other analist that Manny Pacquiao is the only guy who won the four original wieght class belt. The Flyweight, the Featherweight, Lightweight and welterweight. Nobody in history won the 4 original belts in 8 original division.
WRX2, it's true that Manny has won 7 world titles, 4 in the original 8 weight classes, but the world titles he won are fractured belts as a result of the politics of boxing. Armstrong held three undisputed titles at the same time and went on to defend against the top contenders of his era over many years. Manny has accomplished as much as he could in today's boxing system, but be that as it may he does not yet have Armstrong's resume.
David, you are right on one thing you said though, as i quote you " I'm always hesitant to compare fighters of different eras because i personally feel i'm not qualified". Well bro, if you feel you are not qualified then why did you continue ranting about the comparison of Manny to Henry Armstrong as EXTREME? If you feel you are not qualified then why do you keep on commenting about it? Bert Sugar who is well qualified just said that Manny could easily be in the list of top 20 greatest alltime
Bert Sugar who was called by the International Veterans Boxing Association as the Greatest Boxing Writer said: "Pacquiao did something so unprecedented tonight, He leaps over tall divisions in a single bound and he's gone all the way up to seven divisions, winning seven titles. "This is something only done in respect to the number of divisions by Henry Armstrong.. This is equal. I have Armstrong in No. 2 in the all time list. So you gotta give Pacquiao a high place on the Panthaleon."
ome0407, Pacquiao might very well end up as an all time great, but certainly not side by side with Armstrong. Their accomplishments are similar in name only, and it's the one time where it's not difficult to make a comparison. Because until Manny is able to hold 3 undisputed titles at the same time and defend his Welterweight title more than ten times, then he will have accomplished what Henry Armstrong has done.
I agree with you when you said , it is very difficult to compare old time great boxers with current boxers. Pacman is very impressive, he cemented his legacy, great great boxer. Another Filipino boxer which to my mind could have accomplish greatness is Pancho Villa, he died at the age of 23 and his record is a magnificent, 109 fights, 92 wins, 8 losses. He became a champion with very little resources compared to his opponents.
Well, David you're wrong again. How can he be great when he started to run like a chicken on the later rounds? I have more respect with Dela Hoya than Cotto because at least the former has the guts to throw in the towel when he thought that he could no longer compete toe to toe.
Hi David, At this point of Pacquiao's career, though not over yet, would you place him in the top 20 all time in the boxing history.? Do you think he has the total package? Thanks
if you fight a girl your going to knock them out with one punch agasint good fighters you aint going to land one knock out punches. what happend to oscars sopposedly knock out power when he fought eleite fights like hopkins and mosley. what im doing is looking at how hard they throw punches when they fight eleite fighters and if they can land. anybody can wind up thier power hand for a few seconds and throw. it wheater they can hit a moving target.
r u dumb he moved up without no catchweight like pac to 160 looked terrible at 160 before hopkins thats a fact. and was able to box with hopkins until the size took over.
and shane mosley had power and speed like dela hoya did
speedmaster, that is true, but amateurs are nothing like pro. In fact, amateur boxing back in the day during Robinson's era was much more harsh than today's amateur boxing, and Robinson was an amateur star before his 200 pro fights.
I still believe that COTTO can knock mayweather out. STYLES MAKES FIGHTS. PACQUIAO is just too good for cotto and mayweather. Yeah mayweather beat Marquez onesidedly but Marquez moved up to the welterwieght for the first time. It was clear that Marquez didn't have the speed and power against mayweather. It was a boring fight coz all mayweather was doing is outboxing Marquez up to the 12 rounds. And he didn't even make weight against marquez
I feel that Miguel Cotto can knock mayweather out. Mayweather tends to lean to his right when he's being punched by right handed opponent and cotto is a natural lefty and by leaning to his right, mayweather is open to cotto's left jab and hook. Cotto even hit PAC a lot of punches especially his power left and cotto is fast too and is good at cutting corners. What do you think?
JOAQUIN, I think Cotto would have made it a very interesting fight for Mayweather, but I think Mayweather simply takes more tools out of the bag in order to deal with what Cotto has to bring. It would certainly force Floyd to fight a much more entertaining fight, but I think he comes out on top at the end.
man u are seriously stupid do you watch boxing at all??? more speciffialy did you watch the dela hoya maywheater fight??? cottto is a much bigger and powerful than da la hoya wtf do u think cotto would do to maywheater if de la hoya gave him so much trouble?? you seriously have no idea how to watch boxing if de la hoya wasnt even a promotoer hed be saying pacquaio would kick flloyds ass! why do you think he never fought cotto? flloyd likes easy money sure go fight cotto flooyd wud whoop him DUMB
man are u saying oscar has more power punch than cotto just beaucse manny didnt knock him down? being knock down by somebody has no bearing on how hard he can punch wtf is going on in here how the hell do you watch boxing. if oscar came out for the round 9 im sure da la hoya would have been killed maybe sufffering from parkinsons right now. and if you want to compare fights i wonder who did more damage cotto gave manny bruises and a cailiflower ear.
you are stupid to say flloyd would magically pick sumthing out of his hat and win agasint cotto. cottos jab is hard, stronger and flies off at the same speed as flloyds watch the zab judah fight zab judah moved flloyd back with jabs and took away his jabs by throwing his own. cotto would do the same to flloyd and if flloyd cant jab he cant run! cotto will walk him down and punish him with hard punches constantly. IF YOU DONT THINK THIS ANSWER WHY FLLOYD HASNT FOUGHT COTTO MOSELY OR MAGARITO
you keep saying flloyd has the geratest defence ever but he cant defend himself when somebody is walking him down de la hoya did it even hatton did it if hatton wasnt so jumpy jumpy he would layed hard punches on maywheater. cotto would walk maywheater down and be the opposite of hatton. cotto would plant his feet and lay into him. people like cotto mosley magarito and pacman will show how much of a fruad maywheater is and he knows it thats why he doesnt fight them
chinamonk, Cotto is a 140 who moved up to 147, while Oscar was a 154 for many years. Not only that, Oscar had much more one punch knockout power in his left hook through out his career than Cotto did. I bring up facts while you spew bias, I leave it to others to decide who's stupid.
man u are retarded were talking about the oscar that fought maywheater the one in his 30's not 20's u really are stupid. and for u to say just beaucse sumebody is at a heavier weight packs more punch is rediculous look at manny u dumb ass
u dont know how to watch boxing iw onder how many times did u put money on ur predictions and lost u dummy retarded person stop making these videos! fuking jerking urself
wut the hell are u even talking about. i dont know how u say de la hoya is stronger than cotto if that were true why is de la hoya even retired ur talking about shit that happend 20 years ago de la hoya was strong back then but not when he fught maywheather. o and i dare you to watch both pacquaios and maywehater fight agaisnt de la hoya on the same screen and compare de la hoya in both u will see the exact same movements the exact same punches its just manny deals with de la hoya better dick!
chinamonk, you said Cotto was bigger and stronger than De La Hoya and I put up facts to the contrary. I've yet to see you make sense since then, but then I don't expect you to so I'm ending my end of the conversation here.
u are so dumb are u saying oscar is as strong now as opposed to then when he started his carrerer? beacuse that is what you are saying. why is de la hoya even retired if he is stronger than cotto and cotto is still one of the best welter weights out there. he saying de la hoya is strong than cotto lolz ur are out of ur mind and u have no idea how to watch boxing where was de la hoyas punching power when he fought the eleite fighters! its about who you fight. i wont watch ur dumb videos anymore
Hudathan do you know why PAC doesn't have great depense like Mayweather? It's because he likes to trade in punches where he can expose his opponent and find an opening for a big shot. Floyd is the best defensive fighter I've ever seen that's why he's afraid to slug it out or brawl. And that's why his fights are boring.
JOAQUIN, that's a great assessment of the two styles. In fact, Cotto began losing the fight once he started trading with Manny hoping his power would be superior, but what made the difference was the volume.
again dumb remarks if you watch the fight closely you will see manny attacked cotto off of his own jab when cotto threw a jab manny slipped and threw a right hook or straight left that landed straight on his face. what manny means when he says he is testing his power he means he is testing how cotto moves and fights. therefore knowing what to throw and when. ROUND 1 COTTO CAUGHT manny with a few jabs ROUND 2 COTTO DIDNT STOP THROWING IT IT WAS THE FACT MANNY MADE HIM PAY WHEN HE DID THROW IT
(DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FIGHTS MANNY HAS BEEN IN WHEN THE OPPENNANT IS TRYING TO HIT JABS ON HIS FACE?? I THINK HE IS A MASTER AT FIGHTING OFF JABS NOW)
when manny took away his jab cotto had no choice but to trade and mannys accuracy made cotto pay eveery hit he landed on cotto pivited manny in the right positions to hit him again with another hard shot. cottos reluctancy to move forward towards manny made mannys punches more effective. when cotto is moving backwards and trying to
when cotto is trying to move backwards and trying to dodge his punches allowed manny to even throw even more combos (short punches feint punches then comming over with the solid hard punch) to you people you call this good defense! what do you think flloyd will do once manny starts throwing punches hes going to react! trying to dodge moving backwards and manny will just throw landing on the body head where ever.
Very perceptive and balanced analysis of the fight; or the sport in general. In all this is a very smooth and eloquent commentary of such a barbaric sport! :D Way to gracefully bring the gem out of its rough and rugged shell
Why should it be at 145 for?!!!! Is Pacquiao not the WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION? So if he is the welterweight champion FIGHT AT THE WEIGHT that welterweights fight at which is at 147lbs!!!! Enough with this CATCHWEIGHT BULLSHYT. If Pacquiao is the best ever he should fight at 147 against Floyd Mayweather. 2 lbs won't make a difference for Pacquiao he can take a welterweight shot from Miguel Cotto so i'm sure he'll be fine.
u just love to see pacquiao lose... pacquiao just agree to fight at 145 catchweight to gain his 7th belt.. his natural weight is 140... why would he give a lot of advantage to floyd...
Yeah 100% agreed. One man should not be able to bastardize a division such as this. Since the power structures in boxing are very top down and usually contradictory with the natural competition of things, I don't mind boxers to gain some power and influence. But there still needs to be fairness and standardization in equity.
585wedabest.. you make it sound like manny always fight at catchweights..lmao this was his 1st and last.. manny even said 147 is his natural weight now...hahaha
Of course Manny has only fought one CATCHWEIGHT and that was against Miguel Cotto. But now Manny's trainer Freddie Roach said that they will only fight Floyd if the fight is scheduled at a catchweight of 145! How about that?......... I will call Manny Pacquiao the "catchweight king"....... If he indeed has another catchweight..... Bottomline is if Manny doesn't fight at 147 from now on?..... Vacate that WBO welterweight title thats all....
Manny is fighting in the ERA where the BOXING COMPITATION in his divisions are very GOOD. Talents around the WORLD vs. Manny to get that SEVEN titles.
The Talent and the quality of fighters during that ERA is not that great tho. They may have good conditioning but BOXING SKILLS wise?..i think the boxers that Manny fought in this ERA are well POLISH compare to Armstrong ERA. Its like all the skills from the past and now mastered by the new generation. They take every good techniques from the late greats and make it their own.
you sound so confident right email cotto and tell him to fight pacman again at 147 see if hes willing to fight pacman again u are in dreamland cotto knows he cant beat pacman what ever weight
Do a little more research on the history of Cotto's fights... he has always sucked at 145.. Demarcus Corley wobbled him and almost beat him and so did the Columbian guy... But You know what Cotto has never been wobbled at 147 even when Plastercheato was hitting him with the bricks.. The Pactards were saying this months ago now all of a sudden they want to pretend like he wasn't weight drained just cus their God Manny beat him.
im with chinamonk... about you not knowing much about boxing, you tend to fall into the trap of being a hater and not knowing it... its cool you dont like pacman its understandable that you hate the man that saved boxing for the my generation... may ask a question?.. have you ever gone into the ring and sparred like really sparred...
good analysis,it was a gr8 fight for 4 rnds.after the 2nd KD cotto just was'nt the same!cotto was boxing well til he got silly an decided 2 trade wiv pac,he got out gunned!! lol good video
you cant just beat one person and say you are the king of the division manny beat cotto and is willing to fight anybody what if flloyd beats manny but doesnt fight cotto mosley or magarito is flloyd still the best wtf! i dont understand how people watch boxing
cotto is second! he beat mosley but lost to magarito
mosley is third loseing to cotto but knocking out magarito magarito is 4th beating cotto but loseing a davastating ko to mosley
flooyd? he is the best 5th welterweight only beaucse there is noone else. you have to consider is flloyd willing to fight mosley cotto then manny? to be the king of the welterweights? i can assure you after beating cotto manny would fight anybody mosely and floyd
If Manny knocks out Mayweather then hangs it up where would you rank him against the greats?.
You said in earllier posts that you cannot rank him high since you are waiting for his career to finish.
Don't tell me he has to go up another weight division or fight Mosley or Margarito before you pass judgment on him. " Manny will never be the most well rounded fighter". Can't you see his defense , quickness, Power, ring tactician, and above all balls. Don't pretend that you like Pacquiao.
81tokits81, it has nothing to do with how many weight classes he goes up, only how many fighters he has fought. When I look at Manny, I don't automatically think of the seven titles, I think of who he has fought and defeated. And no, I don't feel he's a well rounded fighter. If he had great defense then why was he swelled up after the fight? He's a great offensive fighter and that's how I see him. You're right, I don't like him, which is why I make videos congratulating his wins.
so its up to how man fighters he has fought? boxers in the past fights more than 100 before they retire... does that mean they are better than manny? manny fought lots of great fighters also, its not like he fought bums
dotalan123, of course it's up to how many fighters a man has fought. If a guy has beaten one top Welterweight while another has beaten 10, are they the same?
@Hudathan - lip service, that's what you do when you give manny "props". that's what i see. but hey, more power to you and your yutube career. you got guts though.
yootoober2009, I don't see it as lip service. I pay to watch Manny fight and I wish him the best, I support him as much as the next guy. It's too bad anyone who wants to comment on boxing these days get labeled negatively the instant they go with an angle other than 'Manny is the greatest fighter we have ever seen'. I could care less about something as petty as a Youtube 'career', I'm here to discuss boxing with people.
You forgot to mention Cotto has a weak chin , no power and no stamina at 145 ... If Manny is so great why didn't he fight Cotto at his natural weight at 147? Manny is a fraud that uses catchweights as an advantage .
if flooyd is so great why dont he fight klitchko hell why dont he fight manny mosely cotto or margairto when he had the chance
and ur pretty stupid to say cotto doesnt have a chin or power he beat judah more convincly than flloyd did and he knocked him out he beat mosely cotto fights people flloyd didnt want to fight. and if u want to talk about weights catch wegiht title fights have been done before if you dont like weight being the advantage in fights the catch wegihts are the way to go
and just for the record this was the first catch weight manny ever fought in what is more impressive fighting bigger men what manny does or fighting smaller men what flloyd does
Section8, although I didn't like the catch weight for this fight, it was the first time Manny has fought at a catch weight and you're selling Cotto short.
the more i watch these dumb people who talk about boxing the more it irritates me you keep saying manny aint a all time great cos henry armstrong held 3 belts at one time pac coverd all his weights BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS WHAT ABOUT MANNY GOES UP ANOTHER WEGIHT TO FIGHT FOR YURI FOREMANS 154 TITLE U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOXING
flooyd wont fight manny cos he knows he wud lose just like he never fought cotto mosley and magrito
flloyd dont fight these fighters but u call him an all time great u prick
flloyd will wait till mosley is 40 before he fights him? and if he beats him youre going to call him better than manny and the best fighter of this era?ur out of ur mind u dumb dik
i dont know how you call maywehater a great defensive fighter he fights bums who cant even fight off jabs who did flloyd fight in the welter wegiht division baldamir? ricky hatton? marquez?? the only solid fighter flloyd fought at welter wegiht was judah the same judah that knocked flooyd down and went 12 rounds the same judah that lost by ko to cotto
how you consider flloyd to be a all time great is a joke u dont know boxing
ur marking my words when your the one who said pacman cudnt stop cotto? :\
u know nothing about boxing seriously all u do is read sites u keep talking about all these politics of boxing yet ur the one reading up on it seriously!
chinamonk, I picked Manny to win in my video, which is more than I've seen from you. Since you feel so strongly about everything, why don't you put it on camera before Manny's next fight.
Fighters in the Philippines their Motto size doesn't matter. They fight even though the opponent is too big for them. Most people in the philippines know how to fight even they don't go to boxing school. It's in their blood.
@ Hudathan: Manny is holding 7 division and nobody had done that before either, and likewise Manny not only represents the Philippines, he also represents all Asian country. As you said you don't have the right to compare Manny to anybody to the old greatest, but that's what just you did at the end, and what do you mean by keep it real? You keep it real, coz who are you to say that? You dare to disagree the people in the media who knows about boxing. Your not even born during Armstrong time.
ChicChikBoom 1 year ago
@ChicChikBoom I am one of the people in the media. So go ahead and point out all the people who said Manny belongs up there with the greatest of all time. His seven titles make him the best fighter currently, but it's my opinion that he's got a long way to go to be mentioned with those names. Sorry if you don't like that.
Hudathan 1 year ago
@Hudathan : Wa ha ha ha! Yeah, right! In your dreams, but do keep on dreaming it might come true. If you are, you should not be in youtube, but I doubt it ngek! Keep it in your head anything you say is your opinion YOUR NOT A PROFESSIONAL ANALYST! Then go ahead argue with Bob Arum and to some professional analyst. If I disagree with you it doesn't mean that I don't like it, its just you dare to disagree to a professional analyst that who's been there since Ali's time.
ChicChikBoom 1 year ago
@ChicChikBoom I'm a sportswriter and a producer at Leave it in the Ring, a radio show that any consistent boxing fan here on YouTube are quite familiar with. You think Bob Arum is an example of a professional analyst? You're the one who's dreaming. Go ahead and list what the 'professional analyst that who's been there since Ali's time' said about Manny Pacquiao that contradicts with what I've said in my video, not that I expect any real stuff from you.
Hudathan 1 year ago
@Hudathan : Bwa ha ha! Really? I did not see even your shadow in a television analizing a boxers fight. Of course Bob Arum his been there forever, while your still in your mother's womb. We can just argue all day long still you are not a professional anayst to have the right to do the comparison, as you said you don't have a license and your not a professional so keep it that way.
ChicChikBoom 1 year ago
this rocks! XD
kazd24 1 year ago
@kazd24 Glad you liked it.
Hudathan 1 year ago
imagine pacquiao's offense and power and mayweather jr.'s defense in one boxer..now that's a well rounded fighter. You can't have both..that's life. He has yet come around.
tkathryyn 1 year ago
@tkathryyn That would actually be awkward because Manny and Floyd has conflicting styles and wouldn't mesh well. We've had guys who were very talented on both sides of the equation, Sugar Ray Leonard comes to mind.
Hudathan 1 year ago
But Henry Armstrong was given pushovers before he got the big fights. Manny doesn't have that luxury. Manny is always given the big enchaladas. Starting from the 1st Barrera fight, he's faced opponents with champion/great/hall of famer status. I can't say that of Armstrong. In short you'll have to factor in the quality of fights in order to make a rational choice.
RGN07 1 year ago
RGN07, Manny wasn't always fighting at the world level neither, he had to come from somewhere as well. Once Henry Armstrong became a world champion at Welterweight, he made numerous defenses against the top contenders of his time. Except for Manny's excellent accomplishments at the Featherweight level, he has not yet settled in at a higher division and proved himself champion. If he were to be compared to Armstrong, then his career must go on for much longer and remain successful.
Hudathan 1 year ago
Hudathan, there's one factor though that goes against Arnstrong and that's the 1930s. During that time gangsterland ruled just like gambling and liquor, the Al Capones and other New York mobsters controlled horse racing and boxing among other sports. It would be naive to think that fighters of that era notably a Henry Armstrong type /caliber were spared the lures of big money and victories. Although i can't say for sure, it's just unsettling to even make a fair comparison.
RGN07 1 year ago
RGN07, that's true but I'm not sure what it has to do with his career.
Hudathan 1 year ago
Well i just hope HA's career success was purely due to his skills as a professional boxer. There have been others whose success involved pre-arranged engagements esp during that era. I can't t this day understand why Liston couldn't get up after what seemed to be a one punch right cross by Cassius clay. Sure he could have gone down but why he stayed on the floor is a big mystery.
RGN07 1 year ago
RGN07, Clay's one punch KO of Liston is definite a shady fluke, most real boxing fans will admit that. However, Henry Armstrong's career should not come under scrutiny. He fought the best contenders of his time and went through wars in order to defeat them decisively.
Hudathan 1 year ago
Ok then, i'm not too well informed about HA's career enough to add more comments other than he was a great fighter whose skills fighters of today should learn from.
RGN07 1 year ago
if berto wins hes fighting berto for sure ANOTHER b class fighter!
if mosley wins HANDS DOWN looks sharp jabs throws the right and lands HE DUCKING MOSELY AGAIN........
he will then fight maliagini:) or sum other punk dik that u will pay 50 bucks for. while the rest of us will pay for another pacquaio fight AND GUESS WHAT ENJOY IT SEE ANOTHER GREAT FIGHT
good bye and kill urself dum fuk
chinamonk 2 years ago
list of big maywheather fights that shud have happend
flloyd vs cotto
flloyd vs magarito
flloyd vs mosley
and NOW flloyd vs mannny!
but i soppose the manny vs flloyd fight aint happening now and its mannys fault! look at the pattern of behaviror here people!
let me tell u what will happen SINCE U HAVE NO CLUE.
flloyd is waiting for the berto and mosely fight.
if mosley looks his age, takes a beating and wins agsint berto he will fight a 39 year old mosely????
chinamonk 2 years ago
hey dik
ur not talking
PROBLY LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE AS TO WHY MAYWHEATHER ANINT FIGHTING MANNY
chinamonk 2 years ago
Sorry chinamonk, the rest of us have lives, and I could care less about checking your clown posts. Must be hard talking nonsense all day to yourself.
Hudathan 2 years ago
hey dickhead what do you think of the chances that the fight will hapen now
ur a frigging airhead
chinamonk 2 years ago
hudathan sucks!!! you prick...
Firepowerization 2 years ago
08:20 - i disagree :) you know it already man
neorybackz 2 years ago
neorybackz you're gonna have to explain yourself bro!
Hudathan 2 years ago
Dude!!! you're still making stupid blogs about boxing, you don't know shit about boxing bro. This ain't kung fu, And what the hell you talking about "the closest thing into P4P no. 1 fighter" he is P4P king moron, eve Teddie Atlas even said he's the P4P king of this generation so just shut your mouth
POMPAYPEE 2 years ago
STFU!!!
djdavetrance 2 years ago
0898dhoyax nice try, but I'm not the one making no sense. Next time make some videos and we'll see how much you know.
Hudathan 2 years ago
i salute u!!!!!! keep it up bro!!!!
ruel830 2 years ago
@Hudathan speaking of the original weigh class. Pacquiao have won 4 of the 8 original weight class. No person in history has ever won world titles in 4 of the original 8 weigh classes ever! only Henry Armstrong are the only close to Manny Pacquiao.
RPTeamPacquiao 2 years ago 2
RPTeamPacquiao that's one way to put it.
Hudathan 2 years ago
0898dhoyax, it's OK, just do some homework and you'll understand my videos one day.
Hudathan 2 years ago
No one can compare eras cause back then, rules were not as strict. Hand wraps with plaster, thinner gloves, enhancing drugs, etc... all were used back then or undetectable. Fights were fixed due to the color of their skin or controlled by Mafia etc... so lots of factors went into the fight game back then. Now, with modern technology and stricter laws, you really need to be on top of the game to be a "great" fighter. Fights are still fixed today case in point, Bute/Andrade #1 fight. Peace!
BottlesOBeerOnDaWall 2 years ago
David, don't lecture me on haterade because that being hypocrite on your part. I called you a bi-polar and you got back at me and called me a troll, so, that's even. The only thing is, I don't put words into your mouth. You and your viewers can go back at your videos and can verify that you really said those words that i quoted you on. Another reason i think why you hate Manny is because he always proves you wrong on your pre fight predictions on him.
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, my viewers don't need to go back and look at anything, if they objected to anything in my video then they would have said so. If anything, they should have noticed all the times you accused me of things like 'Manny hater' and 'Marquez fan' simply because my opinions differ from yours. I've addressed everything you've quoted, people are welcome to all of it.
Hudathan 2 years ago
I agree with ome0407. David predicts on Pacquiao to win since he does not have the balls to side with the other boxer even though deep inside he wants MP to lose. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. He contradicts himself and gives some lame excuse when you call his hand on it. There are hordes of more knowledgeable commentators that know the sport from the inside that puts MP as one of the all time greats. Not David. I would go for the more qualified opinions. David makes up stuff.
81tokits81 2 years ago
lol good one 81tokits81, think whatever you want to make yourself happy.
Hudathan 2 years ago
I'll tell you what.. If Manny wins against Floyd in a dominating fashion whether it is a unanimous decision or a KO, then Manny pacquiao DEFINITELY belongs with the ALL TIME GREATS!
Even if Floyd's defense is probably one of the best in history, Personally I think Manny will come out victorious.. He is still underestimated, what I saw with Cotto was unbelievable.. The left uppercut that caused the knockdown was so fast it was almost invisible!
dooVoob 2 years ago
whats up David. Doesnt Armstrong have only 3 of the original championship belts?..........Manny has 4 of the 8 original championship belts; however, you still do not consider Manny to be one of the ATG?..........He is called the "HENRY ARMSTRONG" of this era not "better than Henry Armstrong" If what Manny's feat was such an easy thing to do then how come no one has done it before.
vinamel97 2 years ago
vinamel97, what Manny did is not easy, in fact I said he is the best fighter of our current generation. The difference between Armstrong's titles and Manny's is that Manny doesn't have the undisputed championships. If people want to say he's 'like' Armstrong then that's fine, they can say whatever they want. But many people are doing exactly what you've written, claiming he has 4 of 8 original titles while Armstrong only has 3, completely ignoring the difference between titles then and now.
Hudathan 2 years ago
David, on the hatton fight you called it a decision/ (slash) late round TKO victory for Manny. On the Cotto fight you called it an EVEN fight and gave Manny (i quote you:) a "SLIGHT, JUST A SLIGHT EDGE" victory. Of course everybody saw that Manny knocked down hatton in the 1st and took him out in the 2nd. On the cotto fight, it was a LOPSIDED (not even) victory for manny. You never said you were wrong on your predictions because you don't have the balls and not man enough to admit it.
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, since you love to break down my predictions, how about if I just rode the fence and said Manny would win in my videos without giving any more details, then you would be looking for something else to pick on. It's funny that you talk about 'having balls' when you have no such predictions nor videos of your own. If you disagree with me, why don't you put your thoughts and perspective down in your own videos, you certainly have plenty to say on mine.
Hudathan 2 years ago
hey chinese man ,homicide henk armstrong got the 3 original weight classes pacquiao got 4 of that original weight classes.only one in the sport of boxing who ever done that before just pacquiao in my point of view pacquiao is better than henry armstrong watch and learn watch and learn
burnick11 2 years ago
Yet you continue to under estimate him even after the fact that he maulled Diaz, Dela Hoya, Hatton and Cotto. You even trash his achievement of conquering 7 division titles (which no boxer has ever done) by saying division titles don't mean anything these days. You are a Pacquiao hater and i believe that the HATERS video clip you made is specifically applicable for you.
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, I don't need to say anything more about the '7 titles' accomplishment because it's understood by everyone in the boxing community except Pacquiao diehards that belts these days do not represent championships. Oscar De La Hoya had titles in 6 divisions, I guess he was tied for the best of all time with Manny before Manny got a 7th? So you got me all wrong brother, you might want to go back and watch my Haters video again because you obviously didn't get it the first time around.
Hudathan 2 years ago
Here's my analysis on you David. You are a Marquez fan and you hate Manny bec their 1st fight was a draw and the 2nd was a split decision. I may entertain your argument that marquez possibly have won their 2nd fight but majority of analysts called it a very close fight and the 3rd round knockdown was the diciding factor. After that fight Manny has evolved from a left hand knockdown careless brawler to being a complete fighter.
ome0407 2 years ago
Here's my analysis on you ome0407, you're a troll who puts words in peoples mouths. I've covered every argument you've tried to bring up, so I'm done with you.
Hudathan 2 years ago
shut the fuck up dude! manny is great better than your analysis! ur anaysis is boring when you against by manny! u said that manny is not consider as a ATG!???? lols!!! you are nothin!!@
manny is a super star~! without manny TOP rank is boring~! without manny boxing is boring! manny dedicated his life to boxing history!
he is the only one!!!!
pinoy pride! who else can predict this comment???!
virginkoday 2 years ago
David, Did you just say top 30, 50? you're such a jerk man. I've watched your Pacquiao vs Hatton result & analysis video and because you made a very terrible prefight prediction and stunned by Manny's win, you went to the extent of saying Manny can go down as one of the all time greats, maybe even TOP 5 TOP 10 list. You have serious flaws and contradictions on your analysis. You are bipolar. Better take your medication first before recording your next video to avoid having a split personality.
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, I picked Manny to win in both Hatton and Cotto bouts, but I didn't see any videos from you. You should put the Haterade down and go do something productive.
Hudathan 2 years ago
David, here is a copy paste of what you said:
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ome0407, I said Manny does not deserve to be in the all time greatest list RIGHT NOW
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, at the time we were talking about his comparisons to the best of the best such as Armstrong, so I said I don't think he deserves to be up there right now. If we're talking about an all time top 20, 30, 50 list then we can certainly put him up there, but isn't that pretty redundant? I'm only responding to the hype right now claiming his accomplishments are up there with the top fighters in the history of this sport, and I don't see enough accomplishments for that yet.
Hudathan 2 years ago
Mr Chen:Please explain seeming contradictions:
"in addition to his athleticism he has now a COMPLETE repertoire of boxing tools boxing skills" then you stated "Manny will never be the most COMPLETE fighter"
You are" Hesistant to compare fighters from different eras since "I'm not qualified". Peolpe are comparing Manny to Armstrong.
Then you said "This is where I draw the line, there is really no comparison between MP and HA." But you said you are not qualified to compare. Please clarify.
dralq 2 years ago
dralq, Manny has all the tools he needs to be an all around effective offensive fighter, but he's not going to have a great defense to go with it. As for me being hesitant to compare fighters, I don't have the experience needed to compare Manny's win over Cotto with say Leonard's win over Hagler, or Ali's win over Liston, etc. But the comparison to Henry Armstrong is an easy one to discuss, because Armstrong has a unique resume and is one of a handful of absolutely top fighters of all time.
Hudathan 2 years ago
I agree that Pac can't be compared to Armstrong in terms of what Armstrong did in holding titles in 3 of the original 8 weight classes at the same time. However, he can be compared to him as far as winning titles in 4 of the original 8 weight classes. Pac has won titles at Flyweight, Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight. That has never been done by anyone else. Even Armstrong was not able to do that although he came close. IMHO, thats pretty close to what Armstrong accomplished.
Gravitas37 2 years ago
Gravitas, with so many titles these days they really don't mean anything. Armstrong won undisputed championships and defended his Welterweight title many times. Manny gets props for coming up in weight and getting stronger as he wins more titles than anyone else today, but the quality of his accomplishments are diluted by the nature of boxing today. If we go by the number of titles, then De La Hoya was the near equal of Armstrong as well, and so is Mayweather Jr.
Hudathan 2 years ago
Of course titles don't mean as much these days. Ever heard of Tzolt Erdei. Yeah, he's the WBA or WBC cruiserweight or light heavyweight. So what you're saying is a given.
Titles mean something, however, when you've done it in 4 of the original 8 weight classes. That means something in any era. Sheesh, nobody's ever done it. De La Hoya and Mayweather didn't go up and kick ass fr Superfeatherweight to Welterweight in the span of 1 1/2 years as Pac has. Bad comparison to make.
Gravitas37 2 years ago
Gravitas, I'm only using De La Hoya and Mayweather as examples because people are so hung up on the 7 world titles. Is Manny special? Of course, I said that in my video. He gets props for the fighters he has defeated in dominating fashion, I never said otherwise. Henry Armstrong won the Lightweight and Welterweight titles while weighing 126 within the same year, so I guess that's a bad comparison to make as well?
Hudathan 2 years ago
The Armstrong comparison you just made is better. But look at what you're doing. You're actually coming up with an example to compare Armstrong with Pac's accomplishment of going up from Superfeath to Welterweight and dominating within 1 1/2 years. I think that's telling.
I never said Pac's accomplishments equal Armstrong's. They are, however, comparable, which you've just shown.
Gravitas37 2 years ago
Gravitas, I think it's fair if we say Manny's accomplishments remind us of Henry Armstrong, but some say he is a modern day Armstrong, or that he has 4 of the original 8 titles and has surpassed Armstrong. It's those extreme angles which I'm responding against. Seems like many Pacquiao fans are too sensitive to hear someone say he's NOT as good as another fighter. All they want is to heap praise upon praise, and you are a hater if you don't do the same.
Hudathan 2 years ago
Agreed. Manny has definitely not surpassed nor even matched Armstrong. But I think when people say "Modern day Armstrong", they're basing that comparison on the limitations of today's boxing, which you've acurately pointed out. "Modern Day", is modern day, not the golden age of boxing. Pac is the modern day version of Armstrong, with the limitations of Modern Day boxing. I think it is still an honor for Pac to be mentioned in that light and speaks of the mark he has made in boxing history.
Gravitas37 2 years ago
David, don't get mad at me. It was you who said that you are NOT QUALIFIED not me. I completely agree with you that Pacquiao's achievements do not match up to those of Armstrong and Robinson. But for you to say that Pacquiao does not deserve to be in the all time greatest list right now is a product of your low quality mediocre analysis or you're just plainly being bias.
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, I've never said Pacquiao does not deserve to be remembered as an all time great, I only said he doesn't match up to Armstrong since that's the one comparison everyone keeps on making.
Hudathan 2 years ago
Totally agree with you can't compare Pacman to Armstrong. And the fight was epic. Enjoy your vids keep up the great work.
doodbro 2 years ago
hell yeah bloodsport soundtrack
ROLOOOOPO 2 years ago
pacman will sing to u then punch u in the face.
zooyork2323 2 years ago
David, a fair and universal criteria in selecting a boxer to be in the all time greatest list is his winning percentages, KO percentage, quality of opposition, In-ring performance, achievements, # of belts, dominance and mainstream appeal. Manny pacquiao has somewhat scored high on each of these criterion that's why Bert Sugar (a boxing historian) has said Manny could easily be in the top 20 or top 10 perhaps. Like you said bro, you are not qualified so, nobody should listen to you.
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, you spend multiple paragraphs saying the same thing I've been saying, except you're eager to claim my opinions are wrong. Did I say Pacquiao wasn't a great fighter? I don't think his resume is comparable to the best of the best like Robinson and Armstrong, so if you disagree with my criteria and think I shouldn't be listened to then stop commenting on my videos.
Hudathan 2 years ago
If that's the case, then your ATG list does not make any sense. You should change the title to 30's & 40's greatest list. It shouldn't be ALLTIME.
ome0407 2 years ago
David, no it's not Armstrong's fault. It's your rediculous way of of formulating your all time greatest list. If your main criteria in order to be in your atg list is the number of times a boxer fought and/or defend his title, then, no fighter will ever be greater than Robinson and Armstrong because nobody will have the opportunity to fight as many times a year as they did.
ome0407 2 years ago
even if it is possible, pacquiao will never be able to accomplish what henry armstrong did in terms of having 3 division titles at the same time and defending 1 title 8 times because the fight circumstances will not allow it. By your way of reasoning, if superman will be a boxer in this era a man who is faster than a speeding bullet and a man of steel will never be able to out perform armstrong because fight circumstances are different from 1930 compared to 2009.
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, you're right, and? Is it Armstrong's fault that boxing isn't the way it used to be? Should a guy get a promotion at a job without the credentials?
Hudathan 2 years ago
@ome0407 You are talking about a non human super hero who is never exist. LOL!!!. Just compare the reality and the truth behind boxing. Manny Pacquaio in this day is the one who call him a Super hero in Boxing and he does exist in this planet comparing to your Superman who is never exist!!! LOL!!!
Robinhood0328 2 years ago
Robinhood0328 It is a figure of speech used to emphasize a point. If you have an indepth knowledge of the English language, you'll understand what i'm saying.
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407 No use discussing anything here. David is a Pacquiao hater. Watch previous clips post de la Hoya fight. How can he be cocksure of himself as if he was there and attended Armstrong's fights. He always hedges. He cannot be a true analyst because of bias. "Pacquiao will Never be a well rounded fighter" yeah , right. Listen to more qualified analysts.
81tokits81 2 years ago
81tokits81, believe whatever you want brother.
Hudathan 2 years ago
How does a fighter builds his resume? of course by fighting. henry armstrong started his career in 1931 and ended it on 1945. Pacquiao started his in 1995. in the same lengths of both fighters career (15yrs), armstrong accumulated 180 fights while pacquiao 55 fights. armstrong was able to build his resume impressively because circumstances will allow it. like you said fight circumstances are different from 1 era to another.
ome0407 2 years ago
How can you put sugar ray robinson, henry armstrong, Ali, Duran, Pep, dempsey, louis, marciano, etc. IN THE SAME LIST when this fighters came from different eras?
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, those fighter all have credentials that stand out way above the rest, with the exception of Marciano in my opinion.
Hudathan 2 years ago
How can you have a list of fighters considered to be all time greats when you just stated it is imposible to compare a fighter from one era to another? How can you put sugar ray robinson, henry armstrong, Ali, Duran, Pep, dempsey, louis, marciano, etc when this fighters came from different eras?
ome0407 2 years ago
You have stated that it is impossible to compare the fighters from one era to another. Does that mean you don't have a list of all time greatest fighters?
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, I said Manny does not deserve to be in the all time greatest list RIGHT NOW, he deserve to be remembered but not alongside someone like Armstrong unless he accomplishes much more. I personally have a handful of fighters whom I consider to be all time greats because their resumes speak for themselves, but it's not possible for me to sit around comparing the good fighters from each era and trying to decide how to rank them in some top 50 list, then it becomes too subjective.
Hudathan 2 years ago
@Hudathan and ome0407. may i butt in your discussion about ATG in general. I AM NOT QUALIFIED to make a list of ATG but, i see that if NO ONE can make an OBJECTIVE list with REAL quantifiable criteria, then there can not be a real ATG. any TOP of the heap list will just be OPINIONS of UNQUALIFIED people while doing videos and commentaries. Try making a list of people whose OPINIONS you would take as ACCEPTABLE and ask them to rack them up (boxers) in an ATG list. See if you get anywhere.
yootoober2009 2 years ago
no they're not. your first statement basically entertains the idea that Manny does NOT deserve to be in the all time greatest list. while your second statement says he will end up in the all time greatest list.
ome0407 2 years ago
David, as the discussions continue, you begin contradicting yourself. You said in your video that it is debatable weather or not Manny can be put in the list of alltime greatest fighters, yet in your last response to me you said: "Pacquiao might very well end up as an all time great". Make up your mind bro.
ome0407 2 years ago
ome0407, why do I need to make up my mind, those statements are saying the same thing.
Hudathan 2 years ago
With all due respect man. I only got this info from other analist that Manny Pacquiao is the only guy who won the four original wieght class belt. The Flyweight, the Featherweight, Lightweight and welterweight. Nobody in history won the 4 original belts in 8 original division.
WRX2 2 years ago
WRX2, it's true that Manny has won 7 world titles, 4 in the original 8 weight classes, but the world titles he won are fractured belts as a result of the politics of boxing. Armstrong held three undisputed titles at the same time and went on to defend against the top contenders of his era over many years. Manny has accomplished as much as he could in today's boxing system, but be that as it may he does not yet have Armstrong's resume.
Hudathan 2 years ago
Completely agree. Great vid. Thanks
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jason12583 2 years ago
I have the full fight in my playlist, ENJOY!
fogfrogblog 2 years ago
David, you are right on one thing you said though, as i quote you " I'm always hesitant to compare fighters of different eras because i personally feel i'm not qualified". Well bro, if you feel you are not qualified then why did you continue ranting about the comparison of Manny to Henry Armstrong as EXTREME? If you feel you are not qualified then why do you keep on commenting about it? Bert Sugar who is well qualified just said that Manny could easily be in the list of top 20 greatest alltime
ome0407 2 years ago
Bert Sugar who was called by the International Veterans Boxing Association as the Greatest Boxing Writer said: "Pacquiao did something so unprecedented tonight, He leaps over tall divisions in a single bound and he's gone all the way up to seven divisions, winning seven titles. "This is something only done in respect to the number of divisions by Henry Armstrong.. This is equal. I have Armstrong in No. 2 in the all time list. So you gotta give Pacquiao a high place on the Panthaleon."
ome0407 2 years ago 2
ome0407, Pacquiao might very well end up as an all time great, but certainly not side by side with Armstrong. Their accomplishments are similar in name only, and it's the one time where it's not difficult to make a comparison. Because until Manny is able to hold 3 undisputed titles at the same time and defend his Welterweight title more than ten times, then he will have accomplished what Henry Armstrong has done.
Hudathan 2 years ago
that is just media attention bert is trying to do and get people back into boxing.
look at the records of both fighters title defense, years of reigning and fights.
pac doesnt even touch but is similiar to him, all credit to pac but im not putting him next to thoses guys just yet.
espiciall y with the advantsges in weight that hes gotten recently kind of diminish that.
P4p775 2 years ago
I agree with you when you said , it is very difficult to compare old time great boxers with current boxers. Pacman is very impressive, he cemented his legacy, great great boxer. Another Filipino boxer which to my mind could have accomplish greatness is Pancho Villa, he died at the age of 23 and his record is a magnificent, 109 fights, 92 wins, 8 losses. He became a champion with very little resources compared to his opponents.
ramnoys 2 years ago
Great video! The Pacman is a beast! A true warrior in the ring.
mexbhoie80 2 years ago
" Miguel Cotto was great in defeat".
Well, David you're wrong again. How can he be great when he started to run like a chicken on the later rounds? I have more respect with Dela Hoya than Cotto because at least the former has the guts to throw in the towel when he thought that he could no longer compete toe to toe.
ome0407 2 years ago
yes it was but it was catchweight, and cotto wasnt the same he lost confidence right away, and truly he wasnt the same from the margorito fight.
roach picks fighteirs that have terrible performances from from previous bouts and asks for catchweights fact.
P4p775 2 years ago
Well, ome0407, I'm again entertained by your attempts to take stabs at my videos.
Hudathan 2 years ago
Hi David, At this point of Pacquiao's career, though not over yet, would you place him in the top 20 all time in the boxing history.? Do you think he has the total package? Thanks
81tokits81 2 years ago
81tokits81, I think one more good win and Manny would be comfortably in everyone's top 20.
Hudathan 2 years ago
if you fight a girl your going to knock them out with one punch agasint good fighters you aint going to land one knock out punches. what happend to oscars sopposedly knock out power when he fought eleite fights like hopkins and mosley. what im doing is looking at how hard they throw punches when they fight eleite fighters and if they can land. anybody can wind up thier power hand for a few seconds and throw. it wheater they can hit a moving target.
chinamonk 2 years ago
r u dumb he moved up without no catchweight like pac to 160 looked terrible at 160 before hopkins thats a fact. and was able to box with hopkins until the size took over.
and shane mosley had power and speed like dela hoya did
wat the fuck u r talking about.
P4p775 2 years ago
parkinsins wow u dont watch boxing watsoever, learn ur history and follow dela hoyas. get off a pac balls already.lol
P4p775 2 years ago
shit de la hoya was the first to win titles in 6 division without no catchweights and
people didnt say he was greatest of all time.
learn ur boxing u r getting murked son.
P4p775 2 years ago
I think Pacman actually fought more than 150 times. He got more than 100 fights under his belt on his amatuer days
speedmaster001 2 years ago
speedmaster, that is true, but amateurs are nothing like pro. In fact, amateur boxing back in the day during Robinson's era was much more harsh than today's amateur boxing, and Robinson was an amateur star before his 200 pro fights.
Hudathan 2 years ago
@Hudathan yep cotto got hit by shots he couldnt see but all crdit to pac.
u see wat boxing is feeding the fans is bullshit espicially the ring having pac #1 at 147!!!!!!!!! thats bulshit and he ducked mosley.
P4p775 2 years ago
I still believe that COTTO can knock mayweather out. STYLES MAKES FIGHTS. PACQUIAO is just too good for cotto and mayweather. Yeah mayweather beat Marquez onesidedly but Marquez moved up to the welterwieght for the first time. It was clear that Marquez didn't have the speed and power against mayweather. It was a boring fight coz all mayweather was doing is outboxing Marquez up to the 12 rounds. And he didn't even make weight against marquez
JOAQUINPINOI 2 years ago
I feel that Miguel Cotto can knock mayweather out. Mayweather tends to lean to his right when he's being punched by right handed opponent and cotto is a natural lefty and by leaning to his right, mayweather is open to cotto's left jab and hook. Cotto even hit PAC a lot of punches especially his power left and cotto is fast too and is good at cutting corners. What do you think?
JOAQUINPINOI 2 years ago
JOAQUIN, I think Cotto would have made it a very interesting fight for Mayweather, but I think Mayweather simply takes more tools out of the bag in order to deal with what Cotto has to bring. It would certainly force Floyd to fight a much more entertaining fight, but I think he comes out on top at the end.
Hudathan 2 years ago
man u are seriously stupid do you watch boxing at all??? more speciffialy did you watch the dela hoya maywheater fight??? cottto is a much bigger and powerful than da la hoya wtf do u think cotto would do to maywheater if de la hoya gave him so much trouble?? you seriously have no idea how to watch boxing if de la hoya wasnt even a promotoer hed be saying pacquaio would kick flloyds ass! why do you think he never fought cotto? flloyd likes easy money sure go fight cotto flooyd wud whoop him DUMB
chinamonk 2 years ago
@chinamonk dude r u dumb dela hoya was a much stronger and faster fighter in his prime.
even a drained dela hoya how he couldnt be knocked down by pac at all
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dela hoya was stronger.
P4p775 2 years ago
man are u saying oscar has more power punch than cotto just beaucse manny didnt knock him down? being knock down by somebody has no bearing on how hard he can punch wtf is going on in here how the hell do you watch boxing. if oscar came out for the round 9 im sure da la hoya would have been killed maybe sufffering from parkinsons right now. and if you want to compare fights i wonder who did more damage cotto gave manny bruises and a cailiflower ear.
chinamonk 2 years ago
maybe not more but the same. but wat he had was speed and fast feet at his peak that cotto didnt have. thats why oscar was able to knock u down.
wat r talking about dela hoya was drained even roach said it. and was able to hang with pac and not active enough to hit him.
u r too dumb oscar only suffered beating from pac and hopkins and he looked terrible in his past FACT!!!!!!
learn boxing stop nuthugging on 1 guy ur god pacquiao.
P4p775 2 years ago
you are stupid to say flloyd would magically pick sumthing out of his hat and win agasint cotto. cottos jab is hard, stronger and flies off at the same speed as flloyds watch the zab judah fight zab judah moved flloyd back with jabs and took away his jabs by throwing his own. cotto would do the same to flloyd and if flloyd cant jab he cant run! cotto will walk him down and punish him with hard punches constantly. IF YOU DONT THINK THIS ANSWER WHY FLLOYD HASNT FOUGHT COTTO MOSELY OR MAGARITO
chinamonk 2 years ago
you keep saying flloyd has the geratest defence ever but he cant defend himself when somebody is walking him down de la hoya did it even hatton did it if hatton wasnt so jumpy jumpy he would layed hard punches on maywheater. cotto would walk maywheater down and be the opposite of hatton. cotto would plant his feet and lay into him. people like cotto mosley magarito and pacman will show how much of a fruad maywheater is and he knows it thats why he doesnt fight them
chinamonk 2 years ago
chinamonk, Cotto is a 140 who moved up to 147, while Oscar was a 154 for many years. Not only that, Oscar had much more one punch knockout power in his left hook through out his career than Cotto did. I bring up facts while you spew bias, I leave it to others to decide who's stupid.
Hudathan 2 years ago
man u are retarded were talking about the oscar that fought maywheater the one in his 30's not 20's u really are stupid. and for u to say just beaucse sumebody is at a heavier weight packs more punch is rediculous look at manny u dumb ass
chinamonk 2 years ago
lol thanks for all the entertainment chinamonk, it's been fun.
Hudathan 2 years ago
u dont know how to watch boxing iw onder how many times did u put money on ur predictions and lost u dummy retarded person stop making these videos! fuking jerking urself
chinamonk 2 years ago
Same old story chinamonk, you're original.
Hudathan 2 years ago
wut the hell are u even talking about. i dont know how u say de la hoya is stronger than cotto if that were true why is de la hoya even retired ur talking about shit that happend 20 years ago de la hoya was strong back then but not when he fught maywheather. o and i dare you to watch both pacquaios and maywehater fight agaisnt de la hoya on the same screen and compare de la hoya in both u will see the exact same movements the exact same punches its just manny deals with de la hoya better dick!
chinamonk 2 years ago
chinamonk, you said Cotto was bigger and stronger than De La Hoya and I put up facts to the contrary. I've yet to see you make sense since then, but then I don't expect you to so I'm ending my end of the conversation here.
Hudathan 2 years ago
u are so dumb are u saying oscar is as strong now as opposed to then when he started his carrerer? beacuse that is what you are saying. why is de la hoya even retired if he is stronger than cotto and cotto is still one of the best welter weights out there. he saying de la hoya is strong than cotto lolz ur are out of ur mind and u have no idea how to watch boxing where was de la hoyas punching power when he fought the eleite fighters! its about who you fight. i wont watch ur dumb videos anymore
chinamonk 2 years ago
Hudathan do you know why PAC doesn't have great depense like Mayweather? It's because he likes to trade in punches where he can expose his opponent and find an opening for a big shot. Floyd is the best defensive fighter I've ever seen that's why he's afraid to slug it out or brawl. And that's why his fights are boring.
JOAQUINPINOI 2 years ago
JOAQUIN, that's a great assessment of the two styles. In fact, Cotto began losing the fight once he started trading with Manny hoping his power would be superior, but what made the difference was the volume.
Hudathan 2 years ago
again dumb remarks if you watch the fight closely you will see manny attacked cotto off of his own jab when cotto threw a jab manny slipped and threw a right hook or straight left that landed straight on his face. what manny means when he says he is testing his power he means he is testing how cotto moves and fights. therefore knowing what to throw and when. ROUND 1 COTTO CAUGHT manny with a few jabs ROUND 2 COTTO DIDNT STOP THROWING IT IT WAS THE FACT MANNY MADE HIM PAY WHEN HE DID THROW IT
chinamonk 2 years ago
(DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FIGHTS MANNY HAS BEEN IN WHEN THE OPPENNANT IS TRYING TO HIT JABS ON HIS FACE?? I THINK HE IS A MASTER AT FIGHTING OFF JABS NOW)
when manny took away his jab cotto had no choice but to trade and mannys accuracy made cotto pay eveery hit he landed on cotto pivited manny in the right positions to hit him again with another hard shot. cottos reluctancy to move forward towards manny made mannys punches more effective. when cotto is moving backwards and trying to
chinamonk 2 years ago
when cotto is trying to move backwards and trying to dodge his punches allowed manny to even throw even more combos (short punches feint punches then comming over with the solid hard punch) to you people you call this good defense! what do you think flloyd will do once manny starts throwing punches hes going to react! trying to dodge moving backwards and manny will just throw landing on the body head where ever.
chinamonk 2 years ago
Very perceptive and balanced analysis of the fight; or the sport in general. In all this is a very smooth and eloquent commentary of such a barbaric sport! :D Way to gracefully bring the gem out of its rough and rugged shell
Good job!
H3LIOTROP3 2 years ago
people can't accept greatness.. he's not only moving up in weight and beating these champs/fighters.. he knocks them the fuck out!
smatol707 2 years ago
wahaha! LOL! M.P is the greatest P4P champ! 7th Belt? what more can u say?? his the greatest p4p in the world and have a Guineas record!
moaskcage 2 years ago
hey moaskcage, dont ever say that guiness record crap to maywaether's face .. hell' cry and want to have it for himself
mitsunation1 2 years ago
@carljum
Why should it be at 145 for?!!!! Is Pacquiao not the WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION? So if he is the welterweight champion FIGHT AT THE WEIGHT that welterweights fight at which is at 147lbs!!!! Enough with this CATCHWEIGHT BULLSHYT. If Pacquiao is the best ever he should fight at 147 against Floyd Mayweather. 2 lbs won't make a difference for Pacquiao he can take a welterweight shot from Miguel Cotto so i'm sure he'll be fine.
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
u just love to see pacquiao lose... pacquiao just agree to fight at 145 catchweight to gain his 7th belt.. his natural weight is 140... why would he give a lot of advantage to floyd...
dotalan123 2 years ago
Yeah 100% agreed. One man should not be able to bastardize a division such as this. Since the power structures in boxing are very top down and usually contradictory with the natural competition of things, I don't mind boxers to gain some power and influence. But there still needs to be fairness and standardization in equity.
nadagain 2 years ago
@nadagain
Yessir i agree..... They need to STOP the catchweight thing and if Manny is not going to fight @ 147lbs then vacate the belt.....
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
585wedabest.. you make it sound like manny always fight at catchweights..lmao this was his 1st and last.. manny even said 147 is his natural weight now...hahaha
smatol707 2 years ago
@smatol707
Of course Manny has only fought one CATCHWEIGHT and that was against Miguel Cotto. But now Manny's trainer Freddie Roach said that they will only fight Floyd if the fight is scheduled at a catchweight of 145! How about that?......... I will call Manny Pacquiao the "catchweight king"....... If he indeed has another catchweight..... Bottomline is if Manny doesn't fight at 147 from now on?..... Vacate that WBO welterweight title thats all....
585WeDaBest 2 years ago
Great video. Manny is a hell of a fighter.
ashyknuckles1 2 years ago
Manny fought Hall of FAMES to get those SEVEN TITLES.
kuchiki1 2 years ago
Manny is fighting in the ERA where the BOXING COMPITATION in his divisions are very GOOD. Talents around the WORLD vs. Manny to get that SEVEN titles.
kuchiki1 2 years ago
The Talent and the quality of fighters during that ERA is not that great tho. They may have good conditioning but BOXING SKILLS wise?..i think the boxers that Manny fought in this ERA are well POLISH compare to Armstrong ERA. Its like all the skills from the past and now mastered by the new generation. They take every good techniques from the late greats and make it their own.
kuchiki1 2 years ago 2
you sound so confident right email cotto and tell him to fight pacman again at 147 see if hes willing to fight pacman again u are in dreamland cotto knows he cant beat pacman what ever weight
chinamonk 2 years ago
Do a little more research on the history of Cotto's fights... he has always sucked at 145.. Demarcus Corley wobbled him and almost beat him and so did the Columbian guy... But You know what Cotto has never been wobbled at 147 even when Plastercheato was hitting him with the bricks.. The Pactards were saying this months ago now all of a sudden they want to pretend like he wasn't weight drained just cus their God Manny beat him.
Section8Studios 2 years ago
im with chinamonk... about you not knowing much about boxing, you tend to fall into the trap of being a hater and not knowing it... its cool you dont like pacman its understandable that you hate the man that saved boxing for the my generation... may ask a question?.. have you ever gone into the ring and sparred like really sparred...
kawayan1985 2 years ago
kawayan, how am I a hater? And to answer your question, I go in the ring to spar regularly.
Hudathan 2 years ago
good analysis,it was a gr8 fight for 4 rnds.after the 2nd KD cotto just was'nt the same!cotto was boxing well til he got silly an decided 2 trade wiv pac,he got out gunned!! lol good video
951thompsonn 2 years ago
you cant just beat one person and say you are the king of the division manny beat cotto and is willing to fight anybody what if flloyd beats manny but doesnt fight cotto mosley or magarito is flloyd still the best wtf! i dont understand how people watch boxing
chinamonk 2 years ago
manny is the best welter weight out there
cotto is second! he beat mosley but lost to magarito
mosley is third loseing to cotto but knocking out magarito magarito is 4th beating cotto but loseing a davastating ko to mosley
flooyd? he is the best 5th welterweight only beaucse there is noone else. you have to consider is flloyd willing to fight mosley cotto then manny? to be the king of the welterweights? i can assure you after beating cotto manny would fight anybody mosely and floyd
chinamonk 2 years ago
you think flloyd has more power than cotto? you have no clue about boxing
chinamonk 2 years ago 4
If Manny knocks out Mayweather then hangs it up where would you rank him against the greats?.
You said in earllier posts that you cannot rank him high since you are waiting for his career to finish.
Don't tell me he has to go up another weight division or fight Mosley or Margarito before you pass judgment on him. " Manny will never be the most well rounded fighter". Can't you see his defense , quickness, Power, ring tactician, and above all balls. Don't pretend that you like Pacquiao.
81tokits81 2 years ago
81tokits81, it has nothing to do with how many weight classes he goes up, only how many fighters he has fought. When I look at Manny, I don't automatically think of the seven titles, I think of who he has fought and defeated. And no, I don't feel he's a well rounded fighter. If he had great defense then why was he swelled up after the fight? He's a great offensive fighter and that's how I see him. You're right, I don't like him, which is why I make videos congratulating his wins.
Hudathan 2 years ago
so its up to how man fighters he has fought? boxers in the past fights more than 100 before they retire... does that mean they are better than manny? manny fought lots of great fighters also, its not like he fought bums
dotalan123 2 years ago
dotalan123, of course it's up to how many fighters a man has fought. If a guy has beaten one top Welterweight while another has beaten 10, are they the same?
Hudathan 2 years ago
@Hudathan - lip service, that's what you do when you give manny "props". that's what i see. but hey, more power to you and your yutube career. you got guts though.
yootoober2009 2 years ago
yootoober2009, I don't see it as lip service. I pay to watch Manny fight and I wish him the best, I support him as much as the next guy. It's too bad anyone who wants to comment on boxing these days get labeled negatively the instant they go with an angle other than 'Manny is the greatest fighter we have ever seen'. I could care less about something as petty as a Youtube 'career', I'm here to discuss boxing with people.
Hudathan 2 years ago
That's too long a beginning dude. You need to shorten that shit.
Gravitas37 2 years ago
You forgot to mention Cotto has a weak chin , no power and no stamina at 145 ... If Manny is so great why didn't he fight Cotto at his natural weight at 147? Manny is a fraud that uses catchweights as an advantage .
Section8Studios 2 years ago
if flooyd is so great why dont he fight klitchko hell why dont he fight manny mosely cotto or margairto when he had the chance
and ur pretty stupid to say cotto doesnt have a chin or power he beat judah more convincly than flloyd did and he knocked him out he beat mosely cotto fights people flloyd didnt want to fight. and if u want to talk about weights catch wegiht title fights have been done before if you dont like weight being the advantage in fights the catch wegihts are the way to go
chinamonk 2 years ago
and just for the record this was the first catch weight manny ever fought in what is more impressive fighting bigger men what manny does or fighting smaller men what flloyd does
chinamonk 2 years ago
Section8, although I didn't like the catch weight for this fight, it was the first time Manny has fought at a catch weight and you're selling Cotto short.
Hudathan 2 years ago
Manny is Manny!!!
You probably won't see a fighter like Manny with the same style and lots of accomplishment in boxing history.!!! I guaranty you!!!
Manny is the great great grandson of Lapu Lapu hero in the philippines. Google it and you will know who Lapu Lapu is!
Robinhood0328 2 years ago
so who made this video when are you going to admit u know nothing about boxing u dik im wait for ur flloyd will beat manny video
BY THE WAY MARK MY WORDS FLLOYD WONT FIGHT MANNY
chinamonk 2 years ago
the more i watch these dumb people who talk about boxing the more it irritates me you keep saying manny aint a all time great cos henry armstrong held 3 belts at one time pac coverd all his weights BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS WHAT ABOUT MANNY GOES UP ANOTHER WEGIHT TO FIGHT FOR YURI FOREMANS 154 TITLE U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOXING
flooyd wont fight manny cos he knows he wud lose just like he never fought cotto mosley and magrito
flloyd dont fight these fighters but u call him an all time great u prick
chinamonk 2 years ago
flloyd will wait till mosley is 40 before he fights him? and if he beats him youre going to call him better than manny and the best fighter of this era?ur out of ur mind u dumb dik
chinamonk 2 years ago
i dont know how you call maywehater a great defensive fighter he fights bums who cant even fight off jabs who did flloyd fight in the welter wegiht division baldamir? ricky hatton? marquez?? the only solid fighter flloyd fought at welter wegiht was judah the same judah that knocked flooyd down and went 12 rounds the same judah that lost by ko to cotto
how you consider flloyd to be a all time great is a joke u dont know boxing
chinamonk 2 years ago
chinamonk, I'm marking your words and I'll have you eat them when the Mayweather fight is made.
Hudathan 2 years ago
ur marking my words when your the one who said pacman cudnt stop cotto? :\
u know nothing about boxing seriously all u do is read sites u keep talking about all these politics of boxing yet ur the one reading up on it seriously!
chinamonk 2 years ago
chinamonk, I picked Manny to win in my video, which is more than I've seen from you. Since you feel so strongly about everything, why don't you put it on camera before Manny's next fight.
Hudathan 2 years ago
Fighters in the Philippines their Motto size doesn't matter. They fight even though the opponent is too big for them. Most people in the philippines know how to fight even they don't go to boxing school. It's in their blood.
Robinhood0328 2 years ago