The reason that happened was because the men-strike follow-through was done incorrectly. His hands needed to be lower. It's a good lesson, keeps your hands down or else you end up on your ass.
You guys are ridiculous. It obviously wasn't on purpose. Go look at any kendo exchange in which both practitioners charge each other. Unless someone tries to get an extra hit in they will always push against each other the way Harada did. The only difference being Miyazaki caught the push while airborne, and having nothing to ground him his feet were swept from under him. Seriously though, you care bears are completely ridiculous.
damn that guy like raped that fool =o good job man i would of done the same thing! some muthafucka runnin up on meh like that hell yeah id push him down like that! damn yall crazy!
@Peter1992t let me explain it a bit,even though im a NOBODY yet,with just 2 years of training!anyway,lets say i do that to my cousin,which is my kendo teammate,well then YES i help him get up but if i am at a competition fighting a stranger and that happens you just go back to your place and see if you get hansoku(penalty),you don't help him out at all you just let him alone.you are there to win,not to be a softy,that doesent mean pushing on purpose like an ass,and you can say sorry after@fight
@RaiceaAndrei111 Isn't that a bit, dishonorable? Doesn't seem very "kendo" to have your only goal is to win. I have no idea how kendo works, so I have no right to judge. But if that's the case in kendo.
@Peter1992t no nothing dishonorable about that,since afterwards you apologise(well i don't know how a master like n this video apologises)but at my level we just shake hands :)!and dishonorable would be if you would try to score(hit him on the head)while he is down,it MIGHT actually count as ippon(point) before the flags are up and you are sent at your place.now that i would consider DISHONORABLE since the opponent was first thrown to the ground then unfairily attacked but only begginers do that
@AlbeLowns emmm...from japan probably?i dont think in europe any beginner can take advantage of the moment and i dont think the advanced ones try to score like that
I think that behavior should be a penalized. Harada clearly makes the decision to shove high rather than use proper taiatari technique. Were not doing pre WW2 'anything goes" kendo today. Unless your in a police dojo! Beat the opponent with the sword not with judo leg sweeps or atemi. Obviously, it's not safe to make people land like that on a hardword floor. Guys who do this, even high level competitors, are letting their will to win the match overcome common sense.
I think that behavior should be penalized. Harada clearly makes the decision to shove high rather than use proper taiatari technique. Were not doing pre WW2 'anything goes" kendo today. Unless your in a police dojo! Beat the opponent with the sword not with judo leg sweeps or atemi. Obviously, it's not safe to make people land like that on a hardword floor. Guys who do this, even high level competitors, are letting their will to win the match overcome common sense.
IMO thats what he gets. Raising ur hands like that is practically gloating about the cut u made (imo disrespectful), also u could hit the person in the grill cuz u didn't put ur hands where they should be, u can screw their neck up. Happened to me. My neck was killin me for a week. Moving outta the way isn't that simple when u get caught off guard. After feelin that pain i have no remorse throwing somebody on their arse cuz their about to possibly seriously injure me. Its whats they gets
@TheMonkeyVoodoo actually you will only get hit in the men if someone keeps their men cutting postion and pushes through not by raising your arms but you are less likely to get pushed. Raising your arms you will more than likely fall back if pushed as shown but your arms are above your opponents head.
This is not taiatari at all. This is clearly a shove to the neck and face: all the power is coming from the arms and shoulders, and during the shove the hips are clearly moving backwards, not forwards, as during correct taiatari!
Ouch! Taiatari or not, that's a nasty way to fall. It looked like a good men cut - could this have been an attempt to nullify the point by knackering the attacking player's zanshin? (To be fair, he was travelling toward his opponent in Jodan - Our sensei puts us on our collective arses if we do that).
This is a form of Taiatari, but it shouldn't be "accepted". The men hit landed before, Kiai was still going and it seems that this Taiatari came out as a reflex and not as an intended move.
i think that that wasn't tai atari, but if someone notice that the opponent uses his shoulders too much, ''falling'' when he hits this can happen. if the ''victim'' had stroke in a better way this couldn't happen in my opinion...it's an unsafe behaviour anyway, to be punished
So is this move 'legal' in matches!! I belong to the NZ Kendo Fed. I wonder if my dojo allows this move? I'm 6.3 on the larger-side so this would benefit me in matches.... Though it looks painful
@Chownz its not really a move. its just a hard taiatari against someone with their arms way to high in the air. at the steveston tournament i saw a guy who did this so often he got knocked down at least 5 times in the match and the other guy got a hansoku. i thought it wasn't fair because it was the other guys bad form that caused him to fall so much.
Thank you for clearing that up for me! It would seem unfair for one highlights ones bad form by such treatment or 'losing-face in front of his/her peers!! I know - I nearly knocked a opponent out with a men strike, the poor girl was stun for 5 minutes and I spent the time apologizing to her when our match was called a draw!! My sensei keeps telling me too much strength and more kiai!! lOL
I thought she would be, as I'm only a kyu graded student. And she was 1st Dan!! Its one of the hardest thing I had (still) to learn that Kendo is not all about strength, being from a rugby background. Its one of the main aspects that I'm trying to instill in my training....
LOL!! Thanks for that, being a very (very) minority taking up this practice I've enjoyed the comradeship and challenge Kendo brings to my life, and knowing that at my age I'm not as limber and agile as my peers. This will not stop me but will encourage me to do my best...
i think my favorite thing about kendo is that in all the world there is no martial art or sport that can come close to matching kendo for sportsmanship :3
Yeah, I could be bias as this is my first time that I've been doing this kind of art: I've been doing this for 1.2yrs! But I love the comradeship and how helpful everyone is to others regardless of age and such. Now I just have to learn Japanese!! LOL
LOL!! I'm taking the lazy way out. I've downloaded free lessons onto my IPod, it only covers the basics - but I hope it helps. Learning to write/understand Kanji is another thing altogether!!
Disagree that it was'nt intentional. You can clearly see Harada making the decision to do what is in effect a two handed Jab to the throat area with the full wieght of the body behind it. Its a bloody dangerous thing to do to someone exposed like Myazaki is at that moment. You can crack open the back of your head falling like that onto a wood floor. Its bad sportsmanship. It would be okay if Atemi and Judo throws were allowed and it was done on mats or an earth floor but thats pre ww2 Kendo.
I think its cool besides isnt kendo about spirt and overcoming fsuch things? Ps whats a tiatari, what was the judges descision on this occasion no ippon or discression for either player?
I think rougher Kendo is good too, but again, only if the two Kendoka agree to it. Modern Kendo is more about delivering a good clean cut rather than trying to capture the full spectrum of hand to hand fighting.
Tiatari means body crush I think. Basically when you make a strike you use the foward momentum you've generated to continue forward into your opponent and hit him with your whole body. If you push them back your set up for another strike. If you bounce off you can strkie as you go back.
its not really a "move' per se... In practice, its sometimes done to make sure you don't follow through with your arms over your head. Even if the hit was good like miyazaki's was, the zanshin was not the one you'd see in... i'll say "proper kendo". So when harada pushed him down, the shimpan indicated "no point"..
HI i am form uk and watched the anime bamboo blade, do u think u could tell me why you are not allowed to follow throught with your arms over your head? Also as far as I see it he did not hit men!
Nice move. Miyazaki is at fault here. If he wasn't so "flying mode", he wouldn't have given the opportunity to his opponent to do such a move. And i don't think this is a dirty move at all. Just don't raise your arm to the sky, that's a bad habit, nothing more.
It looks like he jammed his fist right into the bottom of his opponent's men like an uppercut, not pushing into the opponent's body or shinai with his own.
Looks like Miyazaki didn't hit his head. That's good at least!
100% NOT a taiatati.. dangerous, wrong and intentional..
Yes, sometimes people may have wrong balance, or not perfect zanshin after an attack, but at least their mistakes are not intentional and not dangerous for the opponent..
Depending on who you are referring to when you say "who got the point", Harada doesn't get point becuase he didn't hit a point, but pushed. Miyazaki doesn't get point because he was stopped when he got knocked down. (No follow through).
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I don't like kendo and that's one example why, he doesn't walk right (doesn't keep his balance point close to the ground), because that kendo technique requires you to walk wrong so that you can hit from greater distance (+around 20cm range bonus), and he felt the consequences, also of the second wrong thing in kendo - that clinging to the opponent after strikes (which by the way allows you to use close quarter unarmed techniques, therefore should be avoided)
if the push for taiatari had been a little lower, like on the chest or, as it should be, around weist height and with his full body and not just his arms at Miyazaki-san's neck, then it would be a valid taiatari. Here I just think Harada-san got frustrated from Miyazaki's signature men strike and tried to invalid it the way he could. If I were shinpan, I'd have asked for gogi, talked it with the other shinpan, and would have given a hansoku.
WHats gogi or hansoku? I know point is ippon but what are the indescresions called? And why do folk say you should not leave arms high? I thought the push was well cool.
harden up and get off the ground you are of no use down there and fight till your last breath, if not than it defeats the purpose of being kendoka in the first place......... your spirit must be strong
I fully agree with you, Miyazakis posture after the attack is awful and so is his ashisabaki. If you look at the replay he clearly does one ayumiashi and tries to do one more but gets pushed just as his feet are not only parallel but pretty much of the ground completely due to him carrying his weight way to high. I would not rule hansoku on Harada (had I been accomplished enough to judge at this level ;) ).
Even if it is Miyazaki mistakes are mistakes and he definitely made one.
Look at the replay...and remind the importance of the feet in Kendo. Slide but always keep contact with the ground, otherwise you put yourself into a weak position. That is what happened...the guy is just trying to fly. If he would have kept contact with the ground, this would not have happened (maybe he would have fall but not that hard)
Was a penalty given after that push? I push too high like that all the time on accident. One time my opponent fell and he was really upset and angry at me- however, I didnt get a penality.
I had a way to determine if a discipline is a sport or a martial art. If it´s a combat system used during war it is a martial art. if there are competitions, then it´s a sport. I think kendo has evolved into a hybrid. I dont like the new aproach.
I think if you want to live by the sword you should do iaido or Kenjutsu and just have kendo as an accompanying art. Kendo is more of a sport whereas the other two would make you just about as close to being a Samurai as possible.
iaido and kendo will take you to the same place spiritually. i do both. i believe it all depends on the person. there are old school kendoka and there are kendoka view kendo as sport.
i think it's an horrible behavior but also that's a ''old school'' move, a pig's one in modern kendo, but once it was permitted, like kicks or mask grabs
It was cool and nothing like a kick. If I knew how to do kendo and if kendo was practised by millions more than at current I would use such a move too, I would not use it against someone I knew or liked though!
Not taiatari! That was just terrible behaviour. Although I can say I have had the experience of being kneed in the gonads in taiatari. Was horrified that my opponent did that.
That is such a critical move. I'm surprise he's not disqualified. This is my first time seeing keendo, so I don't know the rules and such. From a Martial arts perspective, that was a fatal move to do to someone. If his hands were aimed at the chin: 1)the opponent could of bit his tongue 2)A concussion if his teeth were clenched. Now if he aimed at the adams apple ... well a person can die without protectors. Especially fatal if the fore and middle finger were to imitate holding a shot glass.
That's a very rough taiatari, I guess. I've heard of some kendo dojos having very aggressive styles and this is one of the things they do. At least Miyazaki-san didn't hit his head on the floor, but I wonder how sore his butt was after that. That could really damage your tailbone a lot.
It's not a Taiatari. A body crash is just that, BODY crash. He was struck in the face/throat area. Taiatari should be aimed at the stomache... That's what the Sensei at my dojo has said.
I'm not saying that it's a taiatari by your dojo's standards, but my sensei at my dojo has said that there are dojos who's students will do anything to either get you out of bounds, get a point, or cause their opponent to lose their attentiveness. I'm not saying it's very sportsmanlike, but some dojos treat Kendo as a sport, and others treat it like an actual fight. It was deliberately placed to cause instability, and he could have just put too much force behind it, but he'd at least help him up
Sorry didn't mean to come off as argumentative. It was definitely un-sportsman like. Also, watch his foot work when he does it, looks more like an upper cut. He drives his fists in to the lower part of the men and straightens his knees while he does it... Lots of force behind that.
He probably was just trying to meet Miyazaki in taiatari but put his hands up too high. Miyazaki also had taken a little bit of a skip step and was already off the floor when his opponent pushed him. I'm sure he didn't intend to deck Miyazaki in the first place.
Keep your hands low, don't "fly" when making tai atari. Miyazaki commited an error... but he is still the best!
jmsanantonio 21 hours ago
転倒して瞬時に面と銅を塞いだのはさすがだと思った。
sazannka1 1 week ago
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kusanagi9216 3 weeks ago
The reason that happened was because the men-strike follow-through was done incorrectly. His hands needed to be lower. It's a good lesson, keeps your hands down or else you end up on your ass.
tuber0808 1 month ago
YES
XxSojiroSetaxX 2 months ago
SIT YO ASS DOWN!
jokerisnomak 4 months ago
FALCON PUNCH!
TheHollowDark 5 months ago 2
Bitch slap, Japanese style!
jokerisnomak 5 months ago
宮崎先生カワイそ～
hoozentroger 7 months ago
dude, Harada defending that men was beast
Ayumura96 7 months ago
walk away like a boss
KangOhDayumn 7 months ago 5
You guys are ridiculous. It obviously wasn't on purpose. Go look at any kendo exchange in which both practitioners charge each other. Unless someone tries to get an extra hit in they will always push against each other the way Harada did. The only difference being Miyazaki caught the push while airborne, and having nothing to ground him his feet were swept from under him. Seriously though, you care bears are completely ridiculous.
AlphaKaiDom 8 months ago 11
Hamada's manner is very bad !
tatsu403 8 months ago
That was hilarious. Totally broke my touch pad in the process.
Greendino0redsaddle 9 months ago
this is not Kendo, it doesn't show honor
it doesn't matter if you win or lose what it really matters is to have honor, integrity and do the right thing.
vsotodrakul 9 months ago
lol not cool Harada. Not cool at all.
Still, not many can even attempt to do that against MIYAZAKI himself.
lamyunholic 9 months ago
NO! This is not Taiatari. This is just a push! Teach yo ua lesson about where your hands are!!
Yugenkai 9 months ago
We consider that a bad edge play.. :(((
03sankyu 10 months ago
damn that guy like raped that fool =o good job man i would of done the same thing! some muthafucka runnin up on meh like that hell yeah id push him down like that! damn yall crazy!
PhyscoRapz 10 months ago
I used to go to a dojo that taught this bullshit. I feel sorry for any kenshi who does this, because they are giant assholes.
hiddencourage 10 months ago
Not even the decency to help the guy up?
Peter1992t 10 months ago
@Peter1992t let me explain it a bit,even though im a NOBODY yet,with just 2 years of training!anyway,lets say i do that to my cousin,which is my kendo teammate,well then YES i help him get up but if i am at a competition fighting a stranger and that happens you just go back to your place and see if you get hansoku(penalty),you don't help him out at all you just let him alone.you are there to win,not to be a softy,that doesent mean pushing on purpose like an ass,and you can say sorry after@fight
RaiceaAndrei111 10 months ago
@RaiceaAndrei111 Isn't that a bit, dishonorable? Doesn't seem very "kendo" to have your only goal is to win. I have no idea how kendo works, so I have no right to judge. But if that's the case in kendo.
Peter1992t 10 months ago
@Peter1992t no nothing dishonorable about that,since afterwards you apologise(well i don't know how a master like n this video apologises)but at my level we just shake hands :)!and dishonorable would be if you would try to score(hit him on the head)while he is down,it MIGHT actually count as ippon(point) before the flags are up and you are sent at your place.now that i would consider DISHONORABLE since the opponent was first thrown to the ground then unfairily attacked but only begginers do that
RaiceaAndrei111 10 months ago
@RaiceaAndrei111 beginners? from where?
AlbeLowns 10 months ago
@AlbeLowns emmm...from japan probably?i dont think in europe any beginner can take advantage of the moment and i dont think the advanced ones try to score like that
RaiceaAndrei111 10 months ago
@Peter1992t
I think that behavior should be a penalized. Harada clearly makes the decision to shove high rather than use proper taiatari technique. Were not doing pre WW2 'anything goes" kendo today. Unless your in a police dojo! Beat the opponent with the sword not with judo leg sweeps or atemi. Obviously, it's not safe to make people land like that on a hardword floor. Guys who do this, even high level competitors, are letting their will to win the match overcome common sense.
OmteZero 10 months ago
@Peter1992t
I think that behavior should be penalized. Harada clearly makes the decision to shove high rather than use proper taiatari technique. Were not doing pre WW2 'anything goes" kendo today. Unless your in a police dojo! Beat the opponent with the sword not with judo leg sweeps or atemi. Obviously, it's not safe to make people land like that on a hardword floor. Guys who do this, even high level competitors, are letting their will to win the match overcome common sense.
OmteZero 10 months ago
Unfortunately they are no ninjas, are they? ;-))
InjusticeHater 10 months ago
Don't believe this taiatari is legit. Taiatari is performed around the Do area. Anything above should be considered a foul
BennyI 10 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA love it :-D
Even though I understand how it must hurt if you hit the back of your head on the floor :c
AlexandraVang 11 months ago
@AlexandraVang
it was the ass, ugghhhhhh!
DonRubinjo 10 months ago
Massive 4 me :)
seitaishogun 11 months ago
Herada seakritly trained aikido to apply it when needed. :)
HomunculusProject 11 months ago
倒下了 也要有殘心
mihailime 11 months ago
Rofl, Harada is like "No men, FUCK you." Push.
d4n13lr0x 1 year ago 26
@d4n13lr0x
loool thats right!!!
bampfbua 9 months ago
ouch, I have had that once.
verry painfull.
scrambeledc 1 year ago
no butterfly kendo!!
kenshin420jj 1 year ago
それでも竹刀は離さない！！！！
hennsinn1 1 year ago
thats why you don't taitari in the face, it must be done at the lower abdomen
Admin5studios 1 year ago 2
Magnifique
MrBINDEL 1 year ago
痛いより多分ショックだと思うけど。
体当たりを入る時、何で腕を上がることが危ないのいい例えじゃないか？ （笑う）
Kimsoderlund 1 year ago
@Kimsoderlund ごめん、ちょっと言いたいことが分からない。
6shige9 1 year ago
That teach him to properly judge his distance.
newtubetubetube 1 year ago
「もっと安全・ほっと安心・さわやかＴｏｋｙｏ！」と題するイベントで全日本選手権者が！マナー意識の向上に貢献する剣道！ 「先生方と接して教えをいただくことによって自然と目上を敬う気持ちが生まれました。」このようにコメントする原田悟氏。子供の頃から、就職してからもマナーに対する意識は高く持ってたそうだ。
Opqrstuvwxyz0 1 year ago
seems like he didn't do it on purpose
soyellowsoviolent 1 year ago
かわいい そお
hoozentroger 1 year ago
IMO thats what he gets. Raising ur hands like that is practically gloating about the cut u made (imo disrespectful), also u could hit the person in the grill cuz u didn't put ur hands where they should be, u can screw their neck up. Happened to me. My neck was killin me for a week. Moving outta the way isn't that simple when u get caught off guard. After feelin that pain i have no remorse throwing somebody on their arse cuz their about to possibly seriously injure me. Its whats they gets
TheMonkeyVoodoo 1 year ago
@TheMonkeyVoodoo actually you will only get hit in the men if someone keeps their men cutting postion and pushes through not by raising your arms but you are less likely to get pushed. Raising your arms you will more than likely fall back if pushed as shown but your arms are above your opponents head.
AlbeLowns 1 year ago
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TheMonkeyVoodoo 1 year ago
LOL as hilarious as that is, that was definitely a dick move... pretty sure most senseis would frown on that. xD
Wild1990Child 1 year ago
owned =)
kenshin420jj 1 year ago
すごいよ！宮崎は倒れたすぐに面や小手などすべて守れる構いをしてたよ！
宫崎倒下的后瞬间立即作了个全段防御动作！无敌了！
winds817 1 year ago 8
normal situation but doesn't mean right..
sargonwu 1 year ago
lol he said "FUCK YOUR FACE, MIYAZAKI"
lamyunholic 1 year ago
こんなん普通だろw
kazu3835 1 year ago
悪質だな
lennoxheadjp 1 year ago
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As phantom1412 pointed out:
"that asshole harada he could've just gone for the kaeshi do. instead he pushed miyazaki "
Whether its intentional or not, Miyazaki didnt maintain his zanshin.
Thrusting towards an opponent in jodan posture; that's asking for troubles imo...
huzbun 1 year ago
This is not taiatari at all. This is clearly a shove to the neck and face: all the power is coming from the arms and shoulders, and during the shove the hips are clearly moving backwards, not forwards, as during correct taiatari!
davidblenheim 1 year ago
痛そうだな。俺もこの経験はあるが、柔道もしてたので受け身取ったけど。しかし、試合となるとそうはいかない。ヤバいと思うときは体を伸ばさないことにしている。宮崎さんは伸縮がすごいと思う。この下半身の瞬発力と上半身の伸びは異常だ。高校やそこらのチャンピオンとかインターハイレベルでは絶対に勝てない。神様のレベルだと思う。
akachinko 1 year ago 2
@akachinko the level of god?
zenaku85 1 year ago
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Opqrstuvwxyz0 1 year ago
that was not taiatari. Taiatari is with your body not your arms
Diogofariapinto 1 year ago 2
このつきあげは、ついやりたくなってしまうけど
悪質ですね。
YONEZAWARATS 1 year ago
Ouch! Taiatari or not, that's a nasty way to fall. It looked like a good men cut - could this have been an attempt to nullify the point by knackering the attacking player's zanshin? (To be fair, he was travelling toward his opponent in Jodan - Our sensei puts us on our collective arses if we do that).
mokujin1977 1 year ago
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mokujin1977 1 year ago
This is a form of Taiatari, but it shouldn't be "accepted". The men hit landed before, Kiai was still going and it seems that this Taiatari came out as a reflex and not as an intended move.
SwissKendoka 1 year ago
i think that that wasn't tai atari, but if someone notice that the opponent uses his shoulders too much, ''falling'' when he hits this can happen. if the ''victim'' had stroke in a better way this couldn't happen in my opinion...it's an unsafe behaviour anyway, to be punished
rapeater 1 year ago
Acho que ele o cara ficou meio puto quando levou um men, por que ele empurrou o rosto do adversário, e não a shinai dele contra o abdomen
alanmazzilli 2 years ago
So is this move 'legal' in matches!! I belong to the NZ Kendo Fed. I wonder if my dojo allows this move? I'm 6.3 on the larger-side so this would benefit me in matches.... Though it looks painful
Chownz 2 years ago
@Chownz its not really a move. its just a hard taiatari against someone with their arms way to high in the air. at the steveston tournament i saw a guy who did this so often he got knocked down at least 5 times in the match and the other guy got a hansoku. i thought it wasn't fair because it was the other guys bad form that caused him to fall so much.
Hawaiianstile 2 years ago
Thank you for clearing that up for me! It would seem unfair for one highlights ones bad form by such treatment or 'losing-face in front of his/her peers!! I know - I nearly knocked a opponent out with a men strike, the poor girl was stun for 5 minutes and I spent the time apologizing to her when our match was called a draw!! My sensei keeps telling me too much strength and more kiai!! lOL
Chownz 2 years ago
@Chownz should tune down the taiatari when facing people much smaller than you, but she should be used to heavy strikes.
Hawaiianstile 2 years ago
I thought she would be, as I'm only a kyu graded student. And she was 1st Dan!! Its one of the hardest thing I had (still) to learn that Kendo is not all about strength, being from a rugby background. Its one of the main aspects that I'm trying to instill in my training....
Chownz 2 years ago
yes don't wield Thor's hammer lol. its about the snap, not crushing blows.
Hawaiianstile 2 years ago
LOL!! Thanks for that, being a very (very) minority taking up this practice I've enjoyed the comradeship and challenge Kendo brings to my life, and knowing that at my age I'm not as limber and agile as my peers. This will not stop me but will encourage me to do my best...
Chownz 2 years ago
i think my favorite thing about kendo is that in all the world there is no martial art or sport that can come close to matching kendo for sportsmanship :3
Hawaiianstile 2 years ago
Yeah, I could be bias as this is my first time that I've been doing this kind of art: I've been doing this for 1.2yrs! But I love the comradeship and how helpful everyone is to others regardless of age and such. Now I just have to learn Japanese!! LOL
Chownz 2 years ago
lol i took a semester of Japanese, but i don't remember much of anything.
Hawaiianstile 2 years ago
LOL!! I'm taking the lazy way out. I've downloaded free lessons onto my IPod, it only covers the basics - but I hope it helps. Learning to write/understand Kanji is another thing altogether!!
Chownz 2 years ago
well good luck to you. hopefully you retain more than i did lol.
Hawaiianstile 2 years ago
Disagree that it was'nt intentional. You can clearly see Harada making the decision to do what is in effect a two handed Jab to the throat area with the full wieght of the body behind it. Its a bloody dangerous thing to do to someone exposed like Myazaki is at that moment. You can crack open the back of your head falling like that onto a wood floor. Its bad sportsmanship. It would be okay if Atemi and Judo throws were allowed and it was done on mats or an earth floor but thats pre ww2 Kendo.
OmteZero 2 years ago 2
I think its cool besides isnt kendo about spirt and overcoming fsuch things? Ps whats a tiatari, what was the judges descision on this occasion no ippon or discression for either player?
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
I think rougher Kendo is good too, but again, only if the two Kendoka agree to it. Modern Kendo is more about delivering a good clean cut rather than trying to capture the full spectrum of hand to hand fighting.
OmteZero 2 years ago
Tiatari means body crush I think. Basically when you make a strike you use the foward momentum you've generated to continue forward into your opponent and hit him with your whole body. If you push them back your set up for another strike. If you bounce off you can strkie as you go back.
OmteZero 2 years ago
its not really a "move' per se... In practice, its sometimes done to make sure you don't follow through with your arms over your head. Even if the hit was good like miyazaki's was, the zanshin was not the one you'd see in... i'll say "proper kendo". So when harada pushed him down, the shimpan indicated "no point"..
timsk 2 years ago
HI i am form uk and watched the anime bamboo blade, do u think u could tell me why you are not allowed to follow throught with your arms over your head? Also as far as I see it he did not hit men!
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
Nice move. Miyazaki is at fault here. If he wasn't so "flying mode", he wouldn't have given the opportunity to his opponent to do such a move. And i don't think this is a dirty move at all. Just don't raise your arm to the sky, that's a bad habit, nothing more.
Lamefolle 2 years ago
Why is it a bad habit? But as you can see I also agree the push is cool! Thats what kendo should be like!
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
hmm.......It may look intentional and also at the same time instinctive? Was he penalized for the action?
meow7983 2 years ago
yeh not taiatari..more like what they'd do in police kendo.
tuchitochi 2 years ago
It looks like he jammed his fist right into the bottom of his opponent's men like an uppercut, not pushing into the opponent's body or shinai with his own.
Looks like Miyazaki didn't hit his head. That's good at least!
rufebrushtail 2 years ago
wow who put -1 on my comment i was asking a question that i ddint understand go burn in hell noobsauce
jamespark96 2 years ago
I kinda realized kendokas are kinda like turtles. I've never fallen like this kenshi here but it looks kinda hard to get back up by yourself lol
ChaoticAnamnesis 2 years ago
100% NOT a taiatati.. dangerous, wrong and intentional..
Yes, sometimes people may have wrong balance, or not perfect zanshin after an attack, but at least their mistakes are not intentional and not dangerous for the opponent..
borxtr 2 years ago
lol if i did that against my sensei and went in with my arms over my head after a men, my ass would be dropped on the floor too.
timsk 2 years ago
I'm sorry, is it possible to ask your sensei about the name of that tecnique? :)
borxtr 2 years ago
I liked the push besides you have armour deal with it. If it had been the big guy pushing the little guy it would have been different! (Not so cool)
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
Freestyle kendo!
Hammundatorp 2 years ago 2
it looks like Mr Harada do it on purpose. but i might do the same if someone run into me like that but thats too strong XD
its not clean men if i see Mr Harada tackled it a bit.
liquidfreedom88 2 years ago
that's gotta be painfull
but not a taiatari xp
rebain18 2 years ago
lmao he didnt get any point?
jamespark96 2 years ago
Depending on who you are referring to when you say "who got the point", Harada doesn't get point becuase he didn't hit a point, but pushed. Miyazaki doesn't get point because he was stopped when he got knocked down. (No follow through).
MrLeegene 2 years ago
totally legal.
nice/necessary?
maybe not.
Zenboy23 2 years ago
As far as I know its legal.
But its not nice.
Nice vid. BTW.
jeroeniskoning 2 years ago 2
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i once hit a guy on the head with a kendo stick so hard i killed him
ThomasBoxKuzz 2 years ago
OUCH..that seems really painful!! Is the person who knocked the other person down allowed to do that?
GinaxClen 2 years ago
I had a bad experience with being pushed my neck from underneath. It's very dangerous conduct at all. Such a pushing should be taken "hansoku".
tatsu403 2 years ago
he's flyin during the knockout, he dont push him with the shinai its legal to hit the "men" this way?
zxzpt 2 years ago
He held his arms in a too high position after striking men, that's why his opponent could throw him over his back so easily...
But still a rough experience.
TheTrismegistos 2 years ago
in the real life you must to take care with your integrity. the technique is not complete if you dont leave the danger zone
poderosonando 2 years ago
it's little strange when you compare this with real life..
borxtr 2 years ago
so, what exactly is a taiatari? i know im an idiot for saying this after seeing this vid, but i want a detailed info though.
jung567 2 years ago
ええええ！！！！すごい！！！！！！！
KyuuriLover 2 years ago
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I don't like kendo and that's one example why, he doesn't walk right (doesn't keep his balance point close to the ground), because that kendo technique requires you to walk wrong so that you can hit from greater distance (+around 20cm range bonus), and he felt the consequences, also of the second wrong thing in kendo - that clinging to the opponent after strikes (which by the way allows you to use close quarter unarmed techniques, therefore should be avoided)
TheFrostburn 2 years ago
if the push for taiatari had been a little lower, like on the chest or, as it should be, around weist height and with his full body and not just his arms at Miyazaki-san's neck, then it would be a valid taiatari. Here I just think Harada-san got frustrated from Miyazaki's signature men strike and tried to invalid it the way he could. If I were shinpan, I'd have asked for gogi, talked it with the other shinpan, and would have given a hansoku.
MrFass 2 years ago
WHats gogi or hansoku? I know point is ippon but what are the indescresions called? And why do folk say you should not leave arms high? I thought the push was well cool.
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
harden up and get off the ground you are of no use down there and fight till your last breath, if not than it defeats the purpose of being kendoka in the first place......... your spirit must be strong
boss2662 2 years ago
good comment!
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
Great move, 30+ years Karate , solid blocking and take down !
s800cd 2 years ago
Schön, genau so mach ich es auch immer!
Ghettofitness 2 years ago
must have winded him poor chap. should've used a backwards break fall or something! probably wasn't on his mind though.
Fantastic sport
mattbodomtully 2 years ago
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Koyama956 2 years ago
Is that really a legal move?
portal1337 2 years ago
NICE!
SickCreator 2 years ago
isn't that forbidden ?
poussin78640 2 years ago
Heh, at zanshin, he hasn't koshi. So, he flew. Just that.
By da way, which is his grade???
OOFUJISAN 2 years ago
Whats zanshin and koshi?
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
Koshi is the hip
zanshin is the spirit of the blow, that remains after the cut. (It comes after he hit the men, and goes foward...)
OOFUJISAN 2 years ago
I fully agree with you, Miyazakis posture after the attack is awful and so is his ashisabaki. If you look at the replay he clearly does one ayumiashi and tries to do one more but gets pushed just as his feet are not only parallel but pretty much of the ground completely due to him carrying his weight way to high. I would not rule hansoku on Harada (had I been accomplished enough to judge at this level ;) ).
Even if it is Miyazaki mistakes are mistakes and he definitely made one.
ok4mi 2 years ago
His men didnt make contact. Dont know what those other words u were using mean except hansoku now!
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
Your not even suppose to raise your hands that high when you are doing a taiatari anyways. He pushed with his arms, and also too high.
gokusentrick 2 years ago
Look at the replay...and remind the importance of the feet in Kendo. Slide but always keep contact with the ground, otherwise you put yourself into a weak position. That is what happened...the guy is just trying to fly. If he would have kept contact with the ground, this would not have happened (maybe he would have fall but not that hard)
bxpuvi 3 years ago
Was a penalty given after that push? I push too high like that all the time on accident. One time my opponent fell and he was really upset and angry at me- however, I didnt get a penality.
coyoteguy1111 3 years ago
How many times does one have to be told....KENDO IS NOT A SPORT!! It's a way of life, its aiming for perfection of ones self determination.
Chownz 3 years ago 4
I had a way to determine if a discipline is a sport or a martial art. If it´s a combat system used during war it is a martial art. if there are competitions, then it´s a sport. I think kendo has evolved into a hybrid. I dont like the new aproach.
alonsoup 2 years ago
Really cos I think its pritty cool that way, a sport with something more.
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
Agree. Personnally, I stoped trying. Westeners have a very narrow vision.
Ryokushindo 2 years ago
Westerners have a different vision.
Malachayas 2 years ago
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Easterners have very narrow eyes.
portal1337 2 years ago
people like you have narrow minds.
Omgausername6 2 years ago
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people like you have very narrow dicks
portal1337 2 years ago
it was wide enough to make your mom scream last night
Omgausername6 2 years ago
alright enough with the fucking dick shit. it's starting to get old now a days... -__-
jung567 2 years ago
nice comeback. props.
clocwirkoj 2 years ago
poor you, so ignorant so stupid -___- waste of genes
jung567 2 years ago
It can't be both? A way of a life and sport?
steev5 2 years ago
I think if you want to live by the sword you should do iaido or Kenjutsu and just have kendo as an accompanying art. Kendo is more of a sport whereas the other two would make you just about as close to being a Samurai as possible.
Delmo67 2 years ago
iaido and kendo will take you to the same place spiritually. i do both. i believe it all depends on the person. there are old school kendoka and there are kendoka view kendo as sport.
zh001d 2 years ago
I think its both and I am a noob! But in short if you are saying the push is cool then I agree!
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
he probably pushed to break his zanshin so he dosent get a ippon
KrisK8614 3 years ago
Whats a zanshin?
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
thats a cool technqiue.
MrPinoy91 3 years ago
LMAO!
of course he did that on purpose...
he walked away like
"whatever"
MrPinoy91 3 years ago
It was both bad sportsmanship and what true swordsmanship should look like.
Kendo is a sport, like UFC. There's nothing wrong with that, it just is.
Overall, bad form old chap.
ntbcbilly 3 years ago
It was neither bad sportmanship, or what ture swordsmanship should look like, I think thought its what true KENDO is all about.
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
Sloppy zanshin, should have kept threatening the opponent.
ketsan 3 years ago
Now that's the first time I see kendo resembling swordsmanship! :D
jbujko 3 years ago 2
i think it's an horrible behavior but also that's a ''old school'' move, a pig's one in modern kendo, but once it was permitted, like kicks or mask grabs
rapeater 3 years ago
It was cool and nothing like a kick. If I knew how to do kendo and if kendo was practised by millions more than at current I would use such a move too, I would not use it against someone I knew or liked though!
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
Not taiatari! That was just terrible behaviour. Although I can say I have had the experience of being kneed in the gonads in taiatari. Was horrified that my opponent did that.
DrGomezNZ 3 years ago
Dude... I hate people doing this kind of taiatari. Beginners sometimes do, you can teach them, but when its a sensei that really sucks :s
lakkam 3 years ago
Please, don't call this taiatari :) tai means body, not hands :)
borxtr 2 years ago
Definitely not taitari, in taitari you hit with the stomach, not with the kote's !
Call it bloody kendo, one wouldn't spect finding this kendo in a 'All japan Kendo Championships'
samurailenyaca 3 years ago
that's dirty
dexo180 3 years ago 2
That is such a critical move. I'm surprise he's not disqualified. This is my first time seeing keendo, so I don't know the rules and such. From a Martial arts perspective, that was a fatal move to do to someone. If his hands were aimed at the chin: 1)the opponent could of bit his tongue 2)A concussion if his teeth were clenched. Now if he aimed at the adams apple ... well a person can die without protectors. Especially fatal if the fore and middle finger were to imitate holding a shot glass.
uznnal 3 years ago
Lol you can tell its your first time then. There is a point in kendo called tsuki which you literally stab at the throat in around the adams apple
mononokifool 3 years ago
But you have a neck guard so nothing can happen unless it was like a tsuki! Whats so bad about bitting your tongue? Sore yes but thats all.
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
That was shitty is what it was! He didnt even offer a hand to help help him up! No budo!
TonyPstunts 3 years ago
I dont practice kendo but would like to learn do u practice kendo? That armour cushions everything.
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
That's a very rough taiatari, I guess. I've heard of some kendo dojos having very aggressive styles and this is one of the things they do. At least Miyazaki-san didn't hit his head on the floor, but I wonder how sore his butt was after that. That could really damage your tailbone a lot.
TakeruSTakomi 3 years ago
It's not a Taiatari. A body crash is just that, BODY crash. He was struck in the face/throat area. Taiatari should be aimed at the stomache... That's what the Sensei at my dojo has said.
PidgeonDeath 3 years ago
I'm not saying that it's a taiatari by your dojo's standards, but my sensei at my dojo has said that there are dojos who's students will do anything to either get you out of bounds, get a point, or cause their opponent to lose their attentiveness. I'm not saying it's very sportsmanlike, but some dojos treat Kendo as a sport, and others treat it like an actual fight. It was deliberately placed to cause instability, and he could have just put too much force behind it, but he'd at least help him up
TakeruSTakomi 3 years ago
Sorry didn't mean to come off as argumentative. It was definitely un-sportsman like. Also, watch his foot work when he does it, looks more like an upper cut. He drives his fists in to the lower part of the men and straightens his knees while he does it... Lots of force behind that.
PidgeonDeath 3 years ago
Wasn't it done because he expected another men to follow, and merely wanted to defend? I'm really just a beginner at kendo so I couldn't tell :p
Sacyn 3 years ago
He probably was just trying to meet Miyazaki in taiatari but put his hands up too high. Miyazaki also had taken a little bit of a skip step and was already off the floor when his opponent pushed him. I'm sure he didn't intend to deck Miyazaki in the first place.
neogtrmn 3 years ago 2
But isnt that part of kendo to make your opponent lose focus? Isnt part also overcoming that?
TheDarkSide15 2 years ago
dude he just pushed his head when he knew that he just hit his men, not kl
KrisK8614 3 years ago
Burn. And the men doesn't have a