Bruce Lee was, on the contrary, very basic in his wing chun. He only went as far as learning the first of the three open-hand forms, not to mention the armed ones.
What I don't get Is that everyone goes on about Bruce lee and I know he was amazing but IP man was his teacher and he was the real master of the wing chung style.
I work at a facility for the mentally ill, and I do have to say, sticking hands definitely helped build up reflexes that have helped me on the job, especially in breaking up fights. The most recent incident I had to step in to break up, I was able to keep the patient from attacking by restraining the shoulders with my hands from the front, preventing any attempts to strike anyone. I had to read the movements in motion, and that's where the sticking hand training came in.
@SuperGeneral1111 "that was a great apresentation, but it wont work again mma fighter"
Are you stupid?
Is there a part of "demonstration" you dont understand?
Chi Sao is a training method, not a fighting technique.
MMA means MIXED martial arts. JKD is a style formed by Bruce lee and is the first (modern) example of MMA. Bruce is quoted as saying "JDK is 50% Wing Chun"
UFC idiots think that because its on TV and looks flashy it must beat everything. U are sucked in by media
I have a video in my channel entitled "boxing vs. aikido", the moves there are like wing chun but basically it's not because it's an aikido blockings founded on the techique called ikkyo. Perhaps you would want to watch it. Thanks.
lol are those guys on the bottom comment knows what they r talking about, Bruce Lee created a style called Jun Fan he mixed in wing chun in his style to create a new style of kung fu, and wing chun wasn't abandoned he practice it in a different way.
Trust me,when you learn wing chun you gain extreme speed and power through hitting wooden dummy, it also harden your bone, if you block someone's attack they going to hurt
Check your FACTS brotha Known as Jeet Kune Do (Cantonese), Jie Quan Dao (Mandarin), or Way of the Intercepting Fist (English); it is the Martial Art founded by Bruce Lee, incorporating all that is useful from every Martial Art, heavily influenced by the system of Wing Chun.
ya soooo. i feel like im looking at comments from a ps3 vs xbox360 video. EVERY type of martial art has its weakness. MMA is nothing more than a combination of the styles and techniques which is basically the idea for JKD. The way your body is and moves naturally also makes a difference. Quit hating and just learn. If you think wing chun is useless in a real situation you ARE wrong. Did I say youll win the fight, no. your gung fu is only as good as you make it.
But the fact is he DID abandon Wing chun. He made his own style called JKD and no longer practised wing chun on its own so therefore he abandoned the style of wing chun. Thats FACT!
He just added a few things from wing chun like the trapping into his style, but thats about it. Everything else like stance, footwork, bobbing, weaving, punches, kicks, elbows, knees, grappling etc etc were from other styles.
@lolpranksta Wing Chun is famous because of Bruce Lee. People just know Ip Man because he spread Wing Chun throughout the world when he left China. Ip man isn't even the creator of Wing Chun. Bruce Lee participated in the movies using his alteration of Wing Chun, while still giving credit to his master, so that many people would come to know of WingChun. I don't know where you got your funny speculation (maybe from the movie Ip Man), but Bruce Lee is the one who made WingChun famous
Fong's Wing Chun is absolutely terrible!!!!! He uses a lot of force and his weight is all over the place, not too mention sloppy technique also. Go compare to Leung Ting / Kernspecht and lineage Boztepe, etc - they relax like Yip Man did! Fong's Wing Chun is nothing like what Yip Man did, just compare to videos of him.
@dcboogie Then again it's a demonstration. In a real fight they would probably use their fast punches and actually apply some force. I believe you can easily knock some one out with wing chun. :)
@cigarzan I understand were your coming from and its very funny lol. Did you know that in JKD (Bruce Lees) martial art groin kicks is a commonly used wepaon aswell as eye fingering. Sorry to be a bore lol
The vertical Punch for example,it detracts from the Practitioners natural balance,and the over focus on the Center line theory seems to rob the user of his many options.The blocks are cool,and alot of them work but many Wing Chun practitioners seem to focused on it and lack the principles of attacking correctly.
I like Wing Chun,I think some of its Principles are good but i think MMA fighting is more practical in a real fight where one is fighting against somebody from the streets.Its foundation,and balance to me seems better then Wing Chun,and its movements more natural.For Wing Chun to be realistic I think alot of it would have to be changed.
Just remember people that MMA is a sport when it comes down to it and sports have rules. The guys in the octogon are really fighting but its not a real fight. Not trying to take anything away from those guys because they are incredible athletes/fighters, but I don't buy into the notion that the MMA style is more "realistic" or "practical."
A martial art may not be better than another it depends on the person using it effectively, Anyone can claim that they do a certain martial art it lies in who uses it. saying MMA is better than kung fu is a failed judgement, rather than comparing the art compare the fighter's.
everyone keeps saying do this in an mma fight and shit. obviously they cant do it in an mma fight if only one guy knows mma. a real fight is completely different then mma fights and shit. that doesnt mean im sayin kung fu automatically wins but mma also does not automatically win.
I think some people have difficulty in separating "fighting" from "martial arts".
In this particular example the focus is on "art". Many martial arts are not designed for brawling on the street. Just appreciate them for what they are; artistic.
@MiniBlueDragon It's really not that difficult to understand how it is. Martial art's is about techniques, a deep recess in combat techniques, and as everybody can understand a real fight is messy, a big guy with no technique can also be tricky to a master. But if two masters fight eachother it's all about techniques, and that's how it was in China 300 or less years ago. Martial arts and it's origin is just too deep and advanced to be compared to regular ring fighting styles.
the problem is a lott of people don,t realize what they are doing is a exercise
i wish they explained more about what they are doing for people who dont know wing chun .. What they ar doing here is chi sau its a exercise to train your reflexes
@bass2theface it does not sir it means war, mainly because that is what martial arts were created for, to survive and kill, it is just 1000's of years of study and techniques and new systems has gone into it to make some martial arts more elegant, and peaceful to rather than kill, but subdue, and control a situation.
@MiniBlueDragon I think you have it the other way around. Fighting in this day and age is a sport which is bound by rules and regulations. Though it may resemble and draw from different techniques of the martial arts, its aim is to win contests of strength and subdue your opponent. Conversely, martial arts are simply methods of killing that were refined over hundreds of years and evolved to resemble a more elegant means of maiming or killing someone.
@MiniBlueDragon Indeed, but when martial arts teachers who teach something more flowing and non-realistic such as Taichi or Shaolin claim that it teaches you "self-defense", that is very irresponsible of the teacher IMO. Telling their students that they can use these techniques in a violent confrontation when they can't would be like the military giving a soldier an M-16 with no ammunition and shoving them in the middle of a war.
@troglodyte3344 - what would happen to me ? I would win.( if i use jeet khun doo ) if you know anything about martial arts and its long history. all fighting styles come from gung fu of some kind. Learn your history and don't think mma style did not start here.
@SkemeKOS LMAO..... You need to learn your history All fighting styles DO NOT come from Gung Fu they came from Romen wrestleing and part of what is now today called India.All the base movements started here and expanded.
for all you people that are posting this wouldnt work, shut your mouth. I took taekwondo, muay thai, and BJJ. I have a blackbelt and all 3, and wing chun is by far the best bet for self defence in any type of situation. I have also been doing some KRAV MAGA and that is very effective as well but is quite tough i got to say
I dont get it. Why does the other guy help by jumping up in the air when the "master" is going to bodyslam him? People were laughing so I guess this is all just a joke.
@SkemeKOS You wrote "Thats why you guys dont like him" 'Like?' Irrelevant. Liking or disliking BL is outside the point. To repeat WHAT I DID SAY: "No serious discussion of WC should include mention of BL. People who do so are trying to name-drop. My perspective: BL was an athlete and a celeb, but he's not OUR champion!" Or put another way, BL may continue as a legend but only in JKD and film industry circles.
You know what I mean. He abandoned the style as a whole and just carried over a few things from it because he felt most of it was useless in a real fight. Otherwise he would never have came up with his own style if he was happy with wing chun as a whole.
@SkemeKOS Your wrong. Bruce Lee moved to america as he was braking into main stream films. He could no longer train in wing chun because it wasnt taught outside of china at that time. He started interacting with other martial arts whilst in america and then started to incorporate this into his own system. As for wing chun being useless? Its been around for over 350 years and has been tried and tested there is no doubt about that.
@Uberboy07 Bruce lee was trained in Wing Chun, He applied other styles to create his own, TKD is more Wing Chun then styles he added boxing,wrestling, fencing etc.
With or with out Bruce Lee Wing Chun is effective, the problem is how its taught, if you study Qi Gong etc along with Wing Chun, it becomes more complete.
You close enough(depending on how strong your ablity is pick other peoples energy) and you will "connect", you'll know his moves before he does.
@ssMajor825 The term 'kung fu' refers laragely to physical labor of any kind. Anybody who is skilled with their hands could be considered to practice 'kung fu', regardless of whether it's a martial art or not. The term wushu refers more directly to chinese martial arts in general, of which there are scores of different varieties, one of which is wing chun.
I really don't believe in Wing Chun; I'm more of an open minded learner whose taking in the good and removing the bad (aka Jeet Kune Do). Wing Chung is way too fancy and formal; won't be good in a real fight or in MMA what so ever.
Bruce Lee who developed Jeet Kun Do from Wing Chun taught that a master of any martial arts who has developed themselves to the fullest will be deadly force regardless of what style the use. He also taught that one should not be confined to one style and if the situation calls for it, to switch styles. Jeet Kun Do aims to blend multiple arts together seamlessly and remove the wasted stances/movements. If you need to punch then punch, if you need to kick then kick. I suggest you look into him.
Wankers. That's what I love about YouTube: Everybody's a fucking expert. Armchair quarterbacks. That's all I have time for today. I have a life. Ciao.
fuck wing chun i got ina street fight two weeks ago didnt need any pattycake bullshit just fired off jab cross combo and pivoted the whole time broke the dudes nose and shut both his eyes he tried to fight south paw and throw hooks in a street fight , i wuda got my ass beat doin pattycake wingchun ,u wanna defend yerself do muay thai boxing bjj and wrestling u wanna dance with willin partners pay for the wing chun crap ,theres not a decent thing about wing chun, it all sucks.
Wing Chun probably is the quickest and most economic stand-up style in the world, and can even be quite lethal. However it's true effectiveness is not in the hands. It's actually the legs that make the style so effective, because it is a one-legged, unilateral style. However, it will never be a significant style in the MMA world, simply because of the presence of rules.
As far as ground game, one should entrust in Gracie Jiujitsu. No one said diversification of style is a bad thing.
@KungfuOcho - Well you're wrong in my opinion. Muay-Thai is the most lethal and economic striking art in the world. Its strikes are very simplistic but with devastating effects. The best footwork goes to boxing. But I personally prefer the modified version of boxing footwork for MMA. For the simple reason of preparing for takedowns. Wing Chun footwork is too flat footed and provides very little mobility. Its extremely useless against agile opponents.
@Keeiman - You were probably taught by a Wing Chun SIFU who didn't want you to leave his club. In case you decide to fire back your SIFU's resume at me, know that years of experience means very little to me, if there was no real fights to back it up. A few street fights mean very little to me as well. Because its unverifiable, normally street fighters have less experience and were probably not expecting any pushback. It only means something if you fight other equally qualified opponents.
@iApna i mean iam not a marital artist but my teacher was a taekwon-do instructor. I see what you are saying about fighting on the streets, anything goes no fair fighting. But my thing is why arguing over whose style is better.
@Keeiman - Its healthy to debate and argue, which is just another form of learning. How do you get someone to even take a look at your side of the argument? You pull them into a heated debate. Passionate martial-artist, will find a way to win the debate by researching the topic extensivly. Some who do the research might be intrigued with what they find and switch to MMA or Muay-Thai. Which serves my purpose in the growth of both. continued on the next thread.
@Keeiman - Continued, the next question someone might ask me is: Why who cares if Thai and MMA grows, how do I benefit? I'm interested in growth as a martial-artist, fighter and the art itself. I only learn if I am challenged. I do not want to be the "top dog" in my class because that means I'm not learning the way I want to. I seriously need to be beat-up so that I can reflect on my mistakes and try again. Getting hurt doesn't worry, learning nothing in the process does.
good fighter im sure but most wing chun on the net is a mess, all these so called applications are showboating . what use do they have other than to show off and share ideas god knows im pissed with it all after i gave up 10 years ago all i seen since is utter disrespect for shaolin, forget ip man cause they all claim hes the root and they are all doing different things go back to shaolin . Bruce Lee was right and shared the concept thats all but was riddicled for this even by ip man.
2. sloppy full contact where they stop after take downs
3. kf theory, chi sau or a guy throws a very predictable punch then stops and lets the master hit away at full speed.
4. kf guy getting whooped in reality
KF ppl need to train with other styles so they know how to use their techniques cleanly... no real fighter is going to chi sau w/ you. they will throw fake jabs though, and i bet 90% of kf students will take the bait..
i'm rooting for wing chun and chinese martial arts, but their training methods need to change. their moves make sense but the biggest problem is that they don't train at full speed nor do they train full contact enough for them to be familiar with executing their moves at full speed like bjj, tkd, and boxing.
@kpeng168 - Dude, Wing Chun will not change. Just drop it and join MMA. Train to completely annihilate your opponents. Here is a little motivational clip. It shows the level of intensity required to be a real fighter. The second clip just shows what to expect if you encounter an MMA fighter. Word of advice don't fight one.
soooo.. that old man.. i guess he is un stab-able... image tryna stab him then he twirls your arms then magically grabs your knife then puts oyu down kicks you
@newdragonlives yeah but that old short fat dude can actually kick your ass or any thug's ass in the streets. just the martial art itself aint useful unless you got like 10 years + experience in it
Guys seriously stop arguing. Each style has their own unique positives and negatives. But in a real fight, who knows who would ever win? if a wing chun and mma fighter fight and the mma fighter goes in for a takedown and the wingchun guy throws a elbow 2 the head and knocks him out, it could hav all been luck. What would that prove? Same if a wing chun guy got hit by a shot when goin in, it could happen 2 anyone. We really shouldnt be comparing and disrepecting eachothers styles.
@thesoulsurvivor456 i love wing chun but have to disagree with you itrain n wing chun mma muay thai and boxing wing chun is not practical in fight t takes an exceptional individual like bruce lee to these moves off in a fight its a beautiful art form but thats all it is
@22pwnedyousobad i think it somewhat matters on if the person knows how to use it. if they learn technquies and learn how to use them effectively then it would be good in a fight plus the dicipline that comes wit it, no disrepect though, im not saying u suck at wing chun or anything. i guarentee you are good
@thesoulsurvivor456 You know... Usually I'd totally agree, But I belive that even if wing chun looses ever fight, it's a better martial art. It might not be the strongest but kungfu focusses on a perfect balance between mind body and soul. for me, that's what makes wing cun way better.
@mit1mit2mity4 thats true but not all studios focus on that maybe. Real schools will not only focus on the fightin but also the concepts that comes with it but also teh same could be from an mma place. They could respect gung fu and all otehr styles but than also theres the ones who might teach they are better then anything else. This is jus my point of view kinda, i think the world would be better if people could jus come on a video and say good video and nice style instead of arguing
@thesoulsurvivor456 I believe two of the primary targets in Wing Chun, and many other forms of martial arts, are the eyes and groin. I believe in Wing Chun the eye attacks are called Bil Jee. MMA fighters are protected by rules against such strikes.
@akinadownhillace Yes its true that most of us kung fu practitioners are trained 2 hit in the vital spots 2 end the fight fast, but if it came down 2 it, i think mma people would also use their training and use what they know and hit the vitals spots 2 which will be jus as effective
@akinadownhillace yes but i think for them and anyone in a fight, its easy to kick or hit someone in the groin and same as eye gouge someone by jus stickin their fingers in their eyes wen they have the chance. They would probably not do it since mma is a sport but if they needed to, they probably could
@akinadownhillace - LOL - Is that what your SIFU said? Why gouge eyes, when we can split our opponents skulls open and break every bone in our opponents body? You Wing Chun practitioners are always so amusing.
@iApna Whoa, hold on a second Vegeta. Your power level is not over 9000. Eye gouging requires little or no strength. You can't fight blind. You must hurry before goku kicks your ass for like the fourth time. Run!
@akinadownhillace - LOL!! Think about whats easier to do. Strike large body parts on your opponent, like ribs, liver, neck, legs, skull, etc... or poke someone in the eye? To poke someone in the eye you have to get nice and close. Getting close to your opponent isn't a good idea. You might get knocked out cold or broken and then you would be at the mercy of your opponent, who could decide to walk away or you could possibly become the xx homicide victim of the year.
@iApna "Getting close to your opponent isn't a good idea." WTF? What are you going to do? Bore them to death Vegeta? My point about eye gouging is still valid. You aren't going to recover from being blind anytime soon. But unlike you, I'm not afraid of getting hit.
@akinadownhillace - It not about getting hit or not or whether or not eye gouging is effective isn't the question. Sure you can poke someone's eye out. But my point is why even try it, when there are much more effective ways of smashing your opponent? No matter who it is, a baby or adult soon as something gets close to an individuals eyes, they flinch. In Muay-Thai we work on not flinching, but something that close most will still flinch.
@iApna well u said that 2 eye gouge, u have to get close but wing is all about gettin in close and attacking from there because most fighters do not know how to fight so close. Wen face 2 face, it is easy 2 knee 2 the groin and strike them 2 the neck and u can also eye gouge them during a combo or holding them. Muay thai is one of the other styles which is very good inside because of their clinch though eye gouging gives easy targets 2 hit wherever
@thesoulsurvivor456 - I learn to fight at all ranges. I prefer to fight from the outside, less risk and it frustrates people. We can agree to disagree. Attempting to close the gap between you and your opponent to simply gouge eyes is a big mistake. Especially against Thai and MMA fighters. As a Thai/MMA fighter, I want people to get close, because then I don't have to chase them. But as someone walks in on me, its smashing time. But for the average person they should never attempt it.
@akinadownhillace - Depending on your definition of "economy of motion" I would have to disagree with you if we were comparing Thai to Wing Chun. If we comparing Thai to MMA I would completely agree, which is why I do both.
Ramon Dekkers for example who is one of my favorite Thai fighters is very dynamic. But I am not sure how you are comparing Thai. Here is Dekkers.
/watch?v=Z-t41iN4IjY
Show me something where Wing Chun is more dynamic Chi Sau wouldn't work on Thai fighters for example
@akinadownhillace - What I see a lot of from Wing Chun Practitioners is chain punching, moving forward motion and Chi Sau in sparring situations. In drills you obviously see a lot more, but drills are against non-resisting opponents which doesn't prove anything. So when you say economy of motion what are you referring to? Moving forward against certain type of fighters is a bad choice in some circumstances.
@iApna WTF? Non-resisting? Are you serious? Wow...you should probably learn Wing Chun before opening your mouth again on the subject. Economy of motion refers to the shortest distance between two points, a straight line. You need an education.
@iApna Even if u want them close, wing chun people want you close even more because close range is there primary aim and they would never go in for jus an eye gouge but if they saw the oppritunity when in close, then they would eye gouge, theres a difference.
@thesoulsurvivor456 - Sure, but I also grapple so its no big deal to me. Looking for opportunities is great and all. But when learning the art of fighting you are learning to create opportunities. Arts like Muay-Thai and training systems like MMA are primarily offensive arts. I will execute a slow kick, fake and feint to get a reaction out of my opponents, just to have my opponent make a mistake and then its lights out. Its never
Bil Jee is by translation "Shooting Fingers," and has consequently been misinterpreted as a technique to attack the eyes. That notion is low-level.
Authentic Wing Chun is NOT a collection of 'moves.'
It is conceptual. We learn concepts, not 'moves.'
Bil Jee is in fact for regaining the line.
It is NOT for spearing the opponent's eyes. If that does happen, it's incidental. The intention of Bil Jee is far different, and again, in real Wing Chun, intention is all.
Bruce Lee was, on the contrary, very basic in his wing chun. He only went as far as learning the first of the three open-hand forms, not to mention the armed ones.
jamiehepburn 4 days ago
@jamiehepburn i doubt he did anything beyond Siu Lim Tao
hgamer 4 days ago
What I don't get Is that everyone goes on about Bruce lee and I know he was amazing but IP man was his teacher and he was the real master of the wing chung style.
theROBOTchickens911 1 week ago
I work at a facility for the mentally ill, and I do have to say, sticking hands definitely helped build up reflexes that have helped me on the job, especially in breaking up fights. The most recent incident I had to step in to break up, I was able to keep the patient from attacking by restraining the shoulders with my hands from the front, preventing any attempts to strike anyone. I had to read the movements in motion, and that's where the sticking hand training came in.
Diggy22 1 week ago
@Diggy22 That's awesome.
jbrandonf 1 week ago
I like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
josh808m 1 week ago
@josh808m
Me too! BJJ FTW!!!
SkemeKOS 6 days ago
Football players practice this? Huh.
2ndhandsoul 1 week ago
that was a great apresentation, but it wont work again mma fighter
SuperGeneral1111 1 week ago
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@SuperGeneral1111 "that was a great apresentation, but it wont work again mma fighter"
Are you stupid?
Is there a part of "demonstration" you dont understand?
Chi Sao is a training method, not a fighting technique.
MMA means MIXED martial arts. JKD is a style formed by Bruce lee and is the first (modern) example of MMA. Bruce is quoted as saying "JDK is 50% Wing Chun"
UFC idiots think that because its on TV and looks flashy it must beat everything. U are sucked in by media
gambleyourhealth 1 week ago
I have a video in my channel entitled "boxing vs. aikido", the moves there are like wing chun but basically it's not because it's an aikido blockings founded on the techique called ikkyo. Perhaps you would want to watch it. Thanks.
mitchshen1 1 week ago
crap
RUBENBRITOS 1 week ago
lol are those guys on the bottom comment knows what they r talking about, Bruce Lee created a style called Jun Fan he mixed in wing chun in his style to create a new style of kung fu, and wing chun wasn't abandoned he practice it in a different way.
TijiSan 2 weeks ago
Trust me,when you learn wing chun you gain extreme speed and power through hitting wooden dummy, it also harden your bone, if you block someone's attack they going to hurt
gagaXboy 2 weeks ago
Bruce Lee's speed came from where? Ah yes, studying under Yip Man
MrJayswagg12 2 weeks ago
@skemekos
Check your FACTS brotha Known as Jeet Kune Do (Cantonese), Jie Quan Dao (Mandarin), or Way of the Intercepting Fist (English); it is the Martial Art founded by Bruce Lee, incorporating all that is useful from every Martial Art, heavily influenced by the system of Wing Chun.
MrJayswagg12 2 weeks ago
o and no power no knockout? seriously? ignorance.
TheYungSaga 2 weeks ago
ya soooo. i feel like im looking at comments from a ps3 vs xbox360 video. EVERY type of martial art has its weakness. MMA is nothing more than a combination of the styles and techniques which is basically the idea for JKD. The way your body is and moves naturally also makes a difference. Quit hating and just learn. If you think wing chun is useless in a real situation you ARE wrong. Did I say youll win the fight, no. your gung fu is only as good as you make it.
TheYungSaga 2 weeks ago
Bruce would slap the sh*t out of you if you told him he abandoned wing chun. It was his basis for jeet kune do.
MrJayswagg12 2 weeks ago
@MrJayswagg12
But the fact is he DID abandon Wing chun. He made his own style called JKD and no longer practised wing chun on its own so therefore he abandoned the style of wing chun. Thats FACT!
He just added a few things from wing chun like the trapping into his style, but thats about it. Everything else like stance, footwork, bobbing, weaving, punches, kicks, elbows, knees, grappling etc etc were from other styles.
Wing chun style as a whole was abandoned.
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
WRONG . Wing Chun is famous because of Master Ip. Not Bruce Lee.
lolpranksta 3 weeks ago 32
@lolpranksta I'm pretty sure more people have heard of Bruce Lee than Ip Man. Most people will know about Wing Chun because of Bruce Lee.
Bloodstream8 1 week ago
@lolpranksta LOL, bullshit mate.
You never even heard of Ip Man until the movie came out.
gambleyourhealth 1 week ago
@lolpranksta it went "mainstream" because of Bruce Lee
HiJaayD 1 week ago
@lolpranksta Wing Chun is famous because of Bruce Lee. People just know Ip Man because he spread Wing Chun throughout the world when he left China. Ip man isn't even the creator of Wing Chun. Bruce Lee participated in the movies using his alteration of Wing Chun, while still giving credit to his master, so that many people would come to know of WingChun. I don't know where you got your funny speculation (maybe from the movie Ip Man), but Bruce Lee is the one who made WingChun famous
xpkerx098 4 days ago
I like WC its a beautiful display of grace and control I see that it is not just self control you can bend the will of the oponant
TheMCXII 3 weeks ago
I used to practice wing chun until I took an Alistar Overeem knee.
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
If this is the ultimate demonstration of wing chun, then I guess I will never like it.
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
Wing chin
MsMemphis84 3 weeks ago
Fong's Wing Chun is absolutely terrible!!!!! He uses a lot of force and his weight is all over the place, not too mention sloppy technique also. Go compare to Leung Ting / Kernspecht and lineage Boztepe, etc - they relax like Yip Man did! Fong's Wing Chun is nothing like what Yip Man did, just compare to videos of him.
CloudsBeyond 3 weeks ago
@CloudsBeyond
A quick knee to the balls would end ALL this wing chun sillyness though. It doesnt matter who is doing the winging OR the chunning.
Just remember that.
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
this my friends is what you call a bitch fight.
calloftehviking7 4 weeks ago
Okay, I believe you than ;-)
dcboogie 4 weeks ago
no power, no knockout.
dcboogie 4 weeks ago
@dcboogie Then again it's a demonstration. In a real fight they would probably use their fast punches and actually apply some force. I believe you can easily knock some one out with wing chun. :)
Ibfinity 4 weeks ago
que chingados es eso!!
PARGODIENTON 4 weeks ago
A knee to the cojones would put a quick end to this foolishness.
cigarzan 4 weeks ago
@cigarzan I understand were your coming from and its very funny lol. Did you know that in JKD (Bruce Lees) martial art groin kicks is a commonly used wepaon aswell as eye fingering. Sorry to be a bore lol
bldearden 3 weeks ago
@bldearden
Youre not being a bore, my friend.
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
@cigarzan
LOL So true!
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
@cigarzan
You haven't really tried it, have you? ;-)
grozde 3 weeks ago
@cigarzan if u can hit him
Deian69 2 weeks ago
@cigarzan just like pulling a gun out during tic tac toe. What's the fucking point?? >.>
Mordanis 2 weeks ago
@cigarzan if your a pussy
CaramelFMA 2 weeks ago
The vertical Punch for example,it detracts from the Practitioners natural balance,and the over focus on the Center line theory seems to rob the user of his many options.The blocks are cool,and alot of them work but many Wing Chun practitioners seem to focused on it and lack the principles of attacking correctly.
MrBobeeto 4 weeks ago
I like Wing Chun,I think some of its Principles are good but i think MMA fighting is more practical in a real fight where one is fighting against somebody from the streets.Its foundation,and balance to me seems better then Wing Chun,and its movements more natural.For Wing Chun to be realistic I think alot of it would have to be changed.
MrBobeeto 4 weeks ago
Just remember people that MMA is a sport when it comes down to it and sports have rules. The guys in the octogon are really fighting but its not a real fight. Not trying to take anything away from those guys because they are incredible athletes/fighters, but I don't buy into the notion that the MMA style is more "realistic" or "practical."
SpikeJonesTheCr0oked 4 weeks ago
Nice dance
RieklinRideR 1 month ago
people still don't understand that mma is for show.
AnimaeLibera 1 month ago
A martial art may not be better than another it depends on the person using it effectively, Anyone can claim that they do a certain martial art it lies in who uses it. saying MMA is better than kung fu is a failed judgement, rather than comparing the art compare the fighter's.
RuthlessMMA1 1 month ago
everyone keeps saying do this in an mma fight and shit. obviously they cant do it in an mma fight if only one guy knows mma. a real fight is completely different then mma fights and shit. that doesnt mean im sayin kung fu automatically wins but mma also does not automatically win.
thesoulsurvivor456 1 month ago
Let's Dance!
MrThesla 1 month ago
I think some people have difficulty in separating "fighting" from "martial arts".
In this particular example the focus is on "art". Many martial arts are not designed for brawling on the street. Just appreciate them for what they are; artistic.
MiniBlueDragon 1 month ago 18
@MiniBlueDragon Actually, Wing chun IS designed exactly for street self defence.
thechicat 3 weeks ago
@MiniBlueDragon ur gay
CSZNJ 3 weeks ago
@MiniBlueDragon It's really not that difficult to understand how it is. Martial art's is about techniques, a deep recess in combat techniques, and as everybody can understand a real fight is messy, a big guy with no technique can also be tricky to a master. But if two masters fight eachother it's all about techniques, and that's how it was in China 300 or less years ago. Martial arts and it's origin is just too deep and advanced to be compared to regular ring fighting styles.
nils4545 3 weeks ago
@MiniBlueDragon
the problem is a lott of people don,t realize what they are doing is a exercise
i wish they explained more about what they are doing for people who dont know wing chun .. What they ar doing here is chi sau its a exercise to train your reflexes
and such
coolbreezeification 2 weeks ago
@coolbreezeification
Yeah, we have a lot of very similar drills in BJJ that are designed to train our reflexes and muscle memory etc etc
The problem IS with wing chun teachers and videos not explaining what is going on.
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
@MiniBlueDragon "martial art" means "system of fighting."
bass2theface 1 week ago
@bass2theface it does not sir it means war, mainly because that is what martial arts were created for, to survive and kill, it is just 1000's of years of study and techniques and new systems has gone into it to make some martial arts more elegant, and peaceful to rather than kill, but subdue, and control a situation.
B3nBo1194 1 week ago
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@bass2theface "martial art" means "system of fighting."
No it doesnt.
Japanese Archery is a Martial Art, is that a fighting system?
Chin Na is a Martial Art, is that a fighting system?
TaiJiJuan is a Martial Art, is that a fighting system?
Kendo is a Martial Art, is it a fighting system?
Iaido is a Martial Art, is it a fighting system?
Martial - "Of War"
Art - "The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination"
Martial Art - "The creative skill of War"
gambleyourhealth 1 week ago
@MiniBlueDragon I think you have it the other way around. Fighting in this day and age is a sport which is bound by rules and regulations. Though it may resemble and draw from different techniques of the martial arts, its aim is to win contests of strength and subdue your opponent. Conversely, martial arts are simply methods of killing that were refined over hundreds of years and evolved to resemble a more elegant means of maiming or killing someone.
gotz2bk 1 week ago
@MiniBlueDragon Indeed, but when martial arts teachers who teach something more flowing and non-realistic such as Taichi or Shaolin claim that it teaches you "self-defense", that is very irresponsible of the teacher IMO. Telling their students that they can use these techniques in a violent confrontation when they can't would be like the military giving a soldier an M-16 with no ammunition and shoving them in the middle of a war.
ninpo4life 1 week ago
oh this is so realistic isnt it...........NOT! what a waist of time, you wanna learn how to fight, take up MMA
cody10pjj 1 month ago
@cody10pjj The style of fighting isn't the only deciding factor in a fight.
HakMan1989 1 month ago
Paddy cake, paddy cake bakers man, make me a demo as lame as you can;-p
0713mas 1 month ago
do that in an MMA match and see what happens to you.
troglodyte3344 1 month ago
@troglodyte3344
have actually seen this. the wing chun guy battered the mma guy lol.
FlemIsBad 1 month ago
@FlemIsBad and then you woke up
troglodyte3344 1 month ago
@troglodyte3344 - what would happen to me ? I would win.( if i use jeet khun doo ) if you know anything about martial arts and its long history. all fighting styles come from gung fu of some kind. Learn your history and don't think mma style did not start here.
woothai1 1 month ago
@woothai1 Hi thanks for your reply. Please provide proof of your claims in the form of links to articles and page numbers. - thank you
troglodyte3344 1 month ago
@woothai1
Jeet khun doo??? LMFAO!!!!!
All fighting styles come from gung fu??? LMFAO!!!!
I think you need to take your own advice and "learn your history" LMFAO!!!!!!!
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
@SkemeKOS LMAO..... You need to learn your history All fighting styles DO NOT come from Gung Fu they came from Romen wrestleing and part of what is now today called India.All the base movements started here and expanded.
kenpoman1975 2 weeks ago
@kenpoman1975
LOL What are talking about??? When did I say all fighting styles come from gung fu???
I think you need to read my comments again, my friend. :)
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
for all you people that are posting this wouldnt work, shut your mouth. I took taekwondo, muay thai, and BJJ. I have a blackbelt and all 3, and wing chun is by far the best bet for self defence in any type of situation. I have also been doing some KRAV MAGA and that is very effective as well but is quite tough i got to say
defeatthebullies 1 month ago
They are dancing? O.o
Nemke91BG 1 month ago
Haters gonna hate i guess, seeing the comments underneath from unappreciative people who dont know who fight. =/
Joeyboiification 1 month ago
this sifu looks a little rusty
TheCoon891 1 month ago
Oh shit this guy held a seminar at my Muay Thai gym a while ago. I didn't go...
MobiusCoin 1 month ago
HAHAHAHAHAH I LAUGH AT THIS SHIT
ShadowJoshua92 1 month ago
He´s a fat prick.
DemonofAir 1 month ago
I dont get it. Why does the other guy help by jumping up in the air when the "master" is going to bodyslam him? People were laughing so I guess this is all just a joke.
bj0rnx0n 1 month ago 2
Haha sac rip takedown. Wing chun is awesome, seems similar to some FMA and even krav maga in that its quick and direct with less dancing about.
panoptes1 1 month ago
Wing Chun practitioners need to stop using Bruce Lee to gain credit & attention to WC. It's not "the style" Bruce trained, It's one of many.
Uberboy07 1 month ago
@Uberboy07
Absolutely- no serious discussion of WC should include mention of BL.
People who do so are trying to name-drop.
My perspective: BL was an athlete and a celeb, but he's not OUR champion!
DizzyDerwish 1 month ago
@DizzyDerwish I'm guessing you consider your champion Yip Man - or possibly an older legend? Also, sorry if I came off rude. I meant no disrespect :)
Uberboy07 1 month ago
@DizzyDerwish
Bruce Lee would kill all you wing chun wimps. Thats why you guys dont like him...because he abandoned your precious wing chum.
Bruce was a SMART man indeed. :)
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
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DizzyDerwish 3 weeks ago
@SkemeKOS Bruce Lee did not abandon wing chun,... go to any Jeet Kune Do school and you will see how it all blends in.
Al8minium 2 weeks ago
@Al8minium
You know what I mean. He abandoned the style as a whole and just carried over a few things from it because he felt most of it was useless in a real fight. Otherwise he would never have came up with his own style if he was happy with wing chun as a whole.
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
@SkemeKOS Ya, your right but Wing Chun was the foundation he always used.......
edward6913 2 weeks ago
@edward6913
I would say boxing was more the foundation for JKD to be honest.
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
@SkemeKOS Your wrong. Bruce Lee moved to america as he was braking into main stream films. He could no longer train in wing chun because it wasnt taught outside of china at that time. He started interacting with other martial arts whilst in america and then started to incorporate this into his own system. As for wing chun being useless? Its been around for over 350 years and has been tried and tested there is no doubt about that.
SuperEpeen 1 week ago
@SuperEpeen
When its tried and tested, it always loses against MMA or grappling though.
It does OK against other stand up styles but its not really dominant. I dont think it would do too well against boxing or muay thai either.
And what am I wrong about, by the way? I dont know what comment of mine youre referring to.
SkemeKOS 6 days ago
@Uberboy07 Bruce lee was trained in Wing Chun, He applied other styles to create his own, TKD is more Wing Chun then styles he added boxing,wrestling, fencing etc.
With or with out Bruce Lee Wing Chun is effective, the problem is how its taught, if you study Qi Gong etc along with Wing Chun, it becomes more complete.
You close enough(depending on how strong your ablity is pick other peoples energy) and you will "connect", you'll know his moves before he does.
sizah185 1 month ago
@sizah185
"you'll know his moves before he does."
WTF!!!! But thats MAGIC!
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
I have one of his Panther Productions videos. I pop in in once in a while.
diestroduende 1 month ago
ppl get over if kung fu and espesialy win chun is SHIET
sahiel5 1 month ago
Virtually useless for fighting, Hope and Crosby did it better with "Pattycake, pattycake, baker's man.."
GreenDistantStar 1 month ago
Why the fuck are these people laughing!! Show some respect! smh
FPav15 1 month ago
IP man brought me here
zelbjrramos 1 month ago
Good demo
davidemt12ful 1 month ago
Who's the genius who hung those dragon banners? Seriously. Brilliant set-up.
IronMongoose1 1 month ago
@ssMajor825 The term 'kung fu' refers laragely to physical labor of any kind. Anybody who is skilled with their hands could be considered to practice 'kung fu', regardless of whether it's a martial art or not. The term wushu refers more directly to chinese martial arts in general, of which there are scores of different varieties, one of which is wing chun.
Postscript624 1 month ago
I really don't believe in Wing Chun; I'm more of an open minded learner whose taking in the good and removing the bad (aka Jeet Kune Do). Wing Chung is way too fancy and formal; won't be good in a real fight or in MMA what so ever.
LeVaughnX 1 month ago
fantastic sense of humour. what a great demo!
rothkoaintdead 1 month ago
Wing Chun is a form or concept for self-defense and body.
VueThao19 1 month ago
Bruce Lee who developed Jeet Kun Do from Wing Chun taught that a master of any martial arts who has developed themselves to the fullest will be deadly force regardless of what style the use. He also taught that one should not be confined to one style and if the situation calls for it, to switch styles. Jeet Kun Do aims to blend multiple arts together seamlessly and remove the wasted stances/movements. If you need to punch then punch, if you need to kick then kick. I suggest you look into him.
eurofutballa12 1 month ago
i did not say bujinkan is the most effective martial art in the world i said wing chun is the most effective martial art in the world not bujinkan
billzaninja 2 months ago
Wang chung? Dance hall days??haha..
AvidAngels 2 months ago
Who is this Sifu and where is he teaching ? Thank you
julian16s 2 months ago
@julian16s
As the narrator does say, this is Augustine Fong.
He teaches in Tucson, Arizona.
His students operate branches all over, like the guy who posted this demo, who's in Chicago.
DizzyDerwish 1 month ago
i search wing chun. becuase of ip man.
thirteenthmassacre 2 months ago
UFC
AshBlue1989 2 months ago
Wankers. That's what I love about YouTube: Everybody's a fucking expert. Armchair quarterbacks. That's all I have time for today. I have a life. Ciao.
unclesamtookmymoney 2 months ago
fuck wing chun i got ina street fight two weeks ago didnt need any pattycake bullshit just fired off jab cross combo and pivoted the whole time broke the dudes nose and shut both his eyes he tried to fight south paw and throw hooks in a street fight , i wuda got my ass beat doin pattycake wingchun ,u wanna defend yerself do muay thai boxing bjj and wrestling u wanna dance with willin partners pay for the wing chun crap ,theres not a decent thing about wing chun, it all sucks.
samtotheg 2 months ago
Wing Chun probably is the quickest and most economic stand-up style in the world, and can even be quite lethal. However it's true effectiveness is not in the hands. It's actually the legs that make the style so effective, because it is a one-legged, unilateral style. However, it will never be a significant style in the MMA world, simply because of the presence of rules.
As far as ground game, one should entrust in Gracie Jiujitsu. No one said diversification of style is a bad thing.
KungfuOcho 2 months ago
@KungfuOcho - Well you're wrong in my opinion. Muay-Thai is the most lethal and economic striking art in the world. Its strikes are very simplistic but with devastating effects. The best footwork goes to boxing. But I personally prefer the modified version of boxing footwork for MMA. For the simple reason of preparing for takedowns. Wing Chun footwork is too flat footed and provides very little mobility. Its extremely useless against agile opponents.
iApna 2 months ago
@SubmissionWrestler
Are you saying WC is effective??
wingchunisforhomos 2 months ago
@iApna
Sorry buddy, I misread you and had someone else in mind. Peace :)
wingchunisforhomos 2 months ago
@wingchunisforhomos Please STFU troll.
SubmissionWrestIer 2 months ago
@iApna
"I seriously need to be beat up..."
Yep, you do. And get used to it because wing chun will get your ass handed to you every time you try to take on anyone who can fight.
wingchunisforhomos 2 months ago
@wingchunisforhomos - I don't practice Wing Chun. I practice Muay-Thai and MMA.
iApna 2 months ago
well i was always taught that no form of Martial arts is superior to another but rather the abilities of the individual(s).
Keeiman 2 months ago
@Keeiman - You were probably taught by a Wing Chun SIFU who didn't want you to leave his club. In case you decide to fire back your SIFU's resume at me, know that years of experience means very little to me, if there was no real fights to back it up. A few street fights mean very little to me as well. Because its unverifiable, normally street fighters have less experience and were probably not expecting any pushback. It only means something if you fight other equally qualified opponents.
iApna 2 months ago
@iApna i mean iam not a marital artist but my teacher was a taekwon-do instructor. I see what you are saying about fighting on the streets, anything goes no fair fighting. But my thing is why arguing over whose style is better.
Keeiman 2 months ago
@Keeiman - Its healthy to debate and argue, which is just another form of learning. How do you get someone to even take a look at your side of the argument? You pull them into a heated debate. Passionate martial-artist, will find a way to win the debate by researching the topic extensivly. Some who do the research might be intrigued with what they find and switch to MMA or Muay-Thai. Which serves my purpose in the growth of both. continued on the next thread.
iApna 2 months ago
@Keeiman - Continued, the next question someone might ask me is: Why who cares if Thai and MMA grows, how do I benefit? I'm interested in growth as a martial-artist, fighter and the art itself. I only learn if I am challenged. I do not want to be the "top dog" in my class because that means I'm not learning the way I want to. I seriously need to be beat-up so that I can reflect on my mistakes and try again. Getting hurt doesn't worry, learning nothing in the process does.
iApna 2 months ago
good fighter im sure but most wing chun on the net is a mess, all these so called applications are showboating . what use do they have other than to show off and share ideas god knows im pissed with it all after i gave up 10 years ago all i seen since is utter disrespect for shaolin, forget ip man cause they all claim hes the root and they are all doing different things go back to shaolin . Bruce Lee was right and shared the concept thats all but was riddicled for this even by ip man.
danaphonin 2 months ago
4 sad types of kung fu vids.
1. san shou or mma labeled as kf
2. sloppy full contact where they stop after take downs
3. kf theory, chi sau or a guy throws a very predictable punch then stops and lets the master hit away at full speed.
4. kf guy getting whooped in reality
KF ppl need to train with other styles so they know how to use their techniques cleanly... no real fighter is going to chi sau w/ you. they will throw fake jabs though, and i bet 90% of kf students will take the bait..
kpeng168 2 months ago
i'm rooting for wing chun and chinese martial arts, but their training methods need to change. their moves make sense but the biggest problem is that they don't train at full speed nor do they train full contact enough for them to be familiar with executing their moves at full speed like bjj, tkd, and boxing.
kpeng168 2 months ago
@kpeng168 - Dude, Wing Chun will not change. Just drop it and join MMA. Train to completely annihilate your opponents. Here is a little motivational clip. It shows the level of intensity required to be a real fighter. The second clip just shows what to expect if you encounter an MMA fighter. Word of advice don't fight one.
/watch?v=tOXAsbuuocc
/watch?v=Nb5lQtv7_xg
iApna 2 months ago
i can do that lol
omarmontes90 2 months ago
soooo.. that old man.. i guess he is un stab-able... image tryna stab him then he twirls your arms then magically grabs your knife then puts oyu down kicks you
happylol808 2 months ago
This video is a joke! This is everything real fighting is not!
newdragonlives 2 months ago
@newdragonlives yeah but that old short fat dude can actually kick your ass or any thug's ass in the streets. just the martial art itself aint useful unless you got like 10 years + experience in it
Azn69Knight 2 months ago 13
Guys seriously stop arguing. Each style has their own unique positives and negatives. But in a real fight, who knows who would ever win? if a wing chun and mma fighter fight and the mma fighter goes in for a takedown and the wingchun guy throws a elbow 2 the head and knocks him out, it could hav all been luck. What would that prove? Same if a wing chun guy got hit by a shot when goin in, it could happen 2 anyone. We really shouldnt be comparing and disrepecting eachothers styles.
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joey10ist 2 months ago
@thesoulsurvivor456 Yeh i hella agree witcho!
joey10ist 2 months ago
@thesoulsurvivor456 you aint nothing but a white boy
Bregowald 2 months ago
@Bregowald too bad im chinese?
thesoulsurvivor456 1 month ago
@thesoulsurvivor456 i love wing chun but have to disagree with you itrain n wing chun mma muay thai and boxing wing chun is not practical in fight t takes an exceptional individual like bruce lee to these moves off in a fight its a beautiful art form but thats all it is
22pwnedyousobad 2 months ago
@22pwnedyousobad i think it somewhat matters on if the person knows how to use it. if they learn technquies and learn how to use them effectively then it would be good in a fight plus the dicipline that comes wit it, no disrepect though, im not saying u suck at wing chun or anything. i guarentee you are good
thesoulsurvivor456 2 months ago
@thesoulsurvivor456 You know... Usually I'd totally agree, But I belive that even if wing chun looses ever fight, it's a better martial art. It might not be the strongest but kungfu focusses on a perfect balance between mind body and soul. for me, that's what makes wing cun way better.
mit1mit2mity4 2 months ago
@mit1mit2mity4 thats true but not all studios focus on that maybe. Real schools will not only focus on the fightin but also the concepts that comes with it but also teh same could be from an mma place. They could respect gung fu and all otehr styles but than also theres the ones who might teach they are better then anything else. This is jus my point of view kinda, i think the world would be better if people could jus come on a video and say good video and nice style instead of arguing
thesoulsurvivor456 2 months ago
@thesoulsurvivor456 I believe two of the primary targets in Wing Chun, and many other forms of martial arts, are the eyes and groin. I believe in Wing Chun the eye attacks are called Bil Jee. MMA fighters are protected by rules against such strikes.
akinadownhillace 1 month ago
@akinadownhillace Yes its true that most of us kung fu practitioners are trained 2 hit in the vital spots 2 end the fight fast, but if it came down 2 it, i think mma people would also use their training and use what they know and hit the vitals spots 2 which will be jus as effective
thesoulsurvivor456 1 month ago
@thesoulsurvivor456 MMA fighters aren't trained to use low blows or eye gouging regularly. I'm not even sure they could use both techniques properly.
akinadownhillace 1 month ago
@akinadownhillace yes but i think for them and anyone in a fight, its easy to kick or hit someone in the groin and same as eye gouge someone by jus stickin their fingers in their eyes wen they have the chance. They would probably not do it since mma is a sport but if they needed to, they probably could
thesoulsurvivor456 1 month ago
@akinadownhillace - LOL - Is that what your SIFU said? Why gouge eyes, when we can split our opponents skulls open and break every bone in our opponents body? You Wing Chun practitioners are always so amusing.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna Whoa, hold on a second Vegeta. Your power level is not over 9000. Eye gouging requires little or no strength. You can't fight blind. You must hurry before goku kicks your ass for like the fourth time. Run!
akinadownhillace 1 month ago
@akinadownhillace - LOL!! Think about whats easier to do. Strike large body parts on your opponent, like ribs, liver, neck, legs, skull, etc... or poke someone in the eye? To poke someone in the eye you have to get nice and close. Getting close to your opponent isn't a good idea. You might get knocked out cold or broken and then you would be at the mercy of your opponent, who could decide to walk away or you could possibly become the xx homicide victim of the year.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna "Getting close to your opponent isn't a good idea." WTF? What are you going to do? Bore them to death Vegeta? My point about eye gouging is still valid. You aren't going to recover from being blind anytime soon. But unlike you, I'm not afraid of getting hit.
akinadownhillace 1 month ago
@akinadownhillace - It not about getting hit or not or whether or not eye gouging is effective isn't the question. Sure you can poke someone's eye out. But my point is why even try it, when there are much more effective ways of smashing your opponent? No matter who it is, a baby or adult soon as something gets close to an individuals eyes, they flinch. In Muay-Thai we work on not flinching, but something that close most will still flinch.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna well u said that 2 eye gouge, u have to get close but wing is all about gettin in close and attacking from there because most fighters do not know how to fight so close. Wen face 2 face, it is easy 2 knee 2 the groin and strike them 2 the neck and u can also eye gouge them during a combo or holding them. Muay thai is one of the other styles which is very good inside because of their clinch though eye gouging gives easy targets 2 hit wherever
thesoulsurvivor456 1 month ago
@thesoulsurvivor456 - I learn to fight at all ranges. I prefer to fight from the outside, less risk and it frustrates people. We can agree to disagree. Attempting to close the gap between you and your opponent to simply gouge eyes is a big mistake. Especially against Thai and MMA fighters. As a Thai/MMA fighter, I want people to get close, because then I don't have to chase them. But as someone walks in on me, its smashing time. But for the average person they should never attempt it.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna And this is the problem with Thai, lack of economy of motion.
akinadownhillace 1 month ago
@akinadownhillace - Depending on your definition of "economy of motion" I would have to disagree with you if we were comparing Thai to Wing Chun. If we comparing Thai to MMA I would completely agree, which is why I do both.
Ramon Dekkers for example who is one of my favorite Thai fighters is very dynamic. But I am not sure how you are comparing Thai. Here is Dekkers.
/watch?v=Z-t41iN4IjY
Show me something where Wing Chun is more dynamic Chi Sau wouldn't work on Thai fighters for example
iApna 1 month ago
@akinadownhillace - What I see a lot of from Wing Chun Practitioners is chain punching, moving forward motion and Chi Sau in sparring situations. In drills you obviously see a lot more, but drills are against non-resisting opponents which doesn't prove anything. So when you say economy of motion what are you referring to? Moving forward against certain type of fighters is a bad choice in some circumstances.
iApna 1 month ago
@iApna WTF? Non-resisting? Are you serious? Wow...you should probably learn Wing Chun before opening your mouth again on the subject. Economy of motion refers to the shortest distance between two points, a straight line. You need an education.
akinadownhillace 1 month ago
@iApna Even if u want them close, wing chun people want you close even more because close range is there primary aim and they would never go in for jus an eye gouge but if they saw the oppritunity when in close, then they would eye gouge, theres a difference.
thesoulsurvivor456 1 month ago
@thesoulsurvivor456 - Sure, but I also grapple so its no big deal to me. Looking for opportunities is great and all. But when learning the art of fighting you are learning to create opportunities. Arts like Muay-Thai and training systems like MMA are primarily offensive arts. I will execute a slow kick, fake and feint to get a reaction out of my opponents, just to have my opponent make a mistake and then its lights out. Its never
iApna 1 month ago
@akinadownhillace
Bil Jee is by translation "Shooting Fingers," and has consequently been misinterpreted as a technique to attack the eyes. That notion is low-level.
Authentic Wing Chun is NOT a collection of 'moves.'
It is conceptual. We learn concepts, not 'moves.'
Bil Jee is in fact for regaining the line.
It is NOT for spearing the opponent's eyes. If that does happen, it's incidental. The intention of Bil Jee is far different, and again, in real Wing Chun, intention is all.
DizzyDerwish 1 month ago
@thesoulsurvivor456 i agree but mma sucks now that is just me
zachh765 1 month ago
@zachh765 Why do u say that?
thesoulsurvivor456 1 month ago
how come they never mention ip man
PillowMcCloud 2 months ago
Its rehearsed , same thing done in another clip.
wslnyc 2 months ago
"snuck an ippon on him" LOL
CristyS89 2 months ago