A fighter does not become the best by simply learning a certain style, a fighter becomes the best through training, conditioning, heart, and a willingness to learn. Anyone who says that one martial art is better than another is being ignorant. It is the combination of knowledge and technique that makes a fighter great.
"absorb what is useful, discard what is not, and add what is uniquely your own" Bruce Lee
Bruce Lee is over rated. Wing Chun is great because it applies martial arts to real life situation, not for sport but for battling opponents like chavs at the same time. I'm from the Wing Tsun branch and Wing Chun is also from the Jujitsu branch. This is only showing a small amount of Wing Chun, A bit of Nuk sao and Dan chi but no Lat sao or Blitz
What? Sport Fighting yes because if you look at things like Karate and Judo they are used for sport like tournaments and stuff. I was saying Bruce Lee is over rated coz everyone kept talking about him. Ip man was the man who taught Bruce Wing Chun and I simply prefer Ip man because to Bruce Lee Ip man was the master.
Bruce Lee didnt bother continuing his wing chun and moved onto his own "style" so he surpassed Ip Man by far. Just because Ip Man taught Bruce Lee some wing chun, doesnt mean Ip could beat Bruce LOL
Bruce was the better fighter(master) and wouldve destroyed Ip Man if they had to fight each other.
@lusby16 There are good things about every martial art. What most traditional martial artists fail to see is that you have to combine these techniques with conditioning and sparring in order for them to be affective. And because most traditional martial arts don't do this, then it has gotten to the point where 90% of their techniques are useless. However, he has only wasted his time if his goal was to learn to fight it the real world, which for many, it is not.
Bruce Lee was, on the contrary, very basic in his wing chun. He only went as far as learning the first of the three open-hand forms, not to mention the armed ones.
What I don't get Is that everyone goes on about Bruce lee and I know he was amazing but IP man was his teacher and he was the real master of the wing chung style.
@theROBOTchickens911 IP man said that he did not train for combat application, bruce lee did. which is why I personally think that it's pointless to compare them at all
I work at a facility for the mentally ill, and I do have to say, sticking hands definitely helped build up reflexes that have helped me on the job, especially in breaking up fights. The most recent incident I had to step in to break up, I was able to keep the patient from attacking by restraining the shoulders with my hands from the front, preventing any attempts to strike anyone. I had to read the movements in motion, and that's where the sticking hand training came in.
@SuperGeneral1111 "that was a great apresentation, but it wont work again mma fighter"
Are you stupid?
Is there a part of "demonstration" you dont understand?
Chi Sao is a training method, not a fighting technique.
MMA means MIXED martial arts. JKD is a style formed by Bruce lee and is the first (modern) example of MMA. Bruce is quoted as saying "JDK is 50% Wing Chun"
UFC idiots think that because its on TV and looks flashy it must beat everything. U are sucked in by media
I have a video in my channel entitled "boxing vs. aikido", the moves there are like wing chun but basically it's not because it's an aikido blockings founded on the techique called ikkyo. Perhaps you would want to watch it. Thanks.
lol are those guys on the bottom comment knows what they r talking about, Bruce Lee created a style called Jun Fan he mixed in wing chun in his style to create a new style of kung fu, and wing chun wasn't abandoned he practice it in a different way.
Trust me,when you learn wing chun you gain extreme speed and power through hitting wooden dummy, it also harden your bone, if you block someone's attack they going to hurt
Check your FACTS brotha Known as Jeet Kune Do (Cantonese), Jie Quan Dao (Mandarin), or Way of the Intercepting Fist (English); it is the Martial Art founded by Bruce Lee, incorporating all that is useful from every Martial Art, heavily influenced by the system of Wing Chun.
ya soooo. i feel like im looking at comments from a ps3 vs xbox360 video. EVERY type of martial art has its weakness. MMA is nothing more than a combination of the styles and techniques which is basically the idea for JKD. The way your body is and moves naturally also makes a difference. Quit hating and just learn. If you think wing chun is useless in a real situation you ARE wrong. Did I say youll win the fight, no. your gung fu is only as good as you make it.
But the fact is he DID abandon Wing chun. He made his own style called JKD and no longer practised wing chun on its own so therefore he abandoned the style of wing chun. Thats FACT!
He just added a few things from wing chun like the trapping into his style, but thats about it. Everything else like stance, footwork, bobbing, weaving, punches, kicks, elbows, knees, grappling etc etc were from other styles.
@lolpranksta Wing Chun is famous because of Bruce Lee. People just know Ip Man because he spread Wing Chun throughout the world when he left China. Ip man isn't even the creator of Wing Chun. Bruce Lee participated in the movies using his alteration of Wing Chun, while still giving credit to his master, so that many people would come to know of WingChun. I don't know where you got your funny speculation (maybe from the movie Ip Man), but Bruce Lee is the one who made WingChun famous
@xpkerx098 Ip Man trained Bruce Lee. He also co-founded the Wing Chun Athletic Association and had a large hand in pioneering global wing chun practice. It was him that influenced Bruce Lee greatly, as most people would not teach him or train with him (bruce lee's mother was half caucasian). In popular culture bruce lee did not make wing chun famous as he went with his own movement: Jeet Kune Do which was loosely based on Wing chun and several other martial arts. Just some background info there.
I personally think Bruce made it a LOT more popular than it wouldve been than if it was just Ip Man promoting it.
Without Bruce Lee, millions of people wouldnt have ever heard of wing chun or been interested in it. I wouldnt have heard of wing chun if it wasnt for Bruce Lee.
His MASSIVE popularity is guaranteed to have greatly impacted the popularity and awareness of wing chun.
@SkemeKOS I think again it works both ways though. I'm thinking more of the side where it was introduced globally to existing martial artists. This would have been purely ip man. But commercially to people like you and me, you're right. It was mainly bruce lee that introduced us to wing chun. But you can't forget who introduced him to it! ;)
@peterpourier Are you fucking stupid? Ip Man TRAINED Bruce Lee. Wing Chung became extremely popular during 1950's up to now. Do you even know the history behind these two? Get your facts straight before replying to someone with more knowledge than you.
@lolpranksta I know Ip Man trained Bruce i know the history and skills of both martial artists and i respect them both greatly, to me they are legendary figures. why do you think i'm watching this video? it was definitely not to see one sided views in the comments. and you sound desperate when you claim to have more knowledge than me, even though i have said few words. the guy didn't say bruce lee was better at wing chun, just that he made it popular with his movies and persona.
@peterpourier You completely missed my point. You stated that Bruce Lee made Ip Man famous when clearly it was the other way around. If it weren't for Ip Man, then Bruce Lee would have never came to be. It was all because of Ip man. No, he didn't create it, but he perfected it.
Fong's Wing Chun is absolutely terrible!!!!! He uses a lot of force and his weight is all over the place, not too mention sloppy technique also. Go compare to Leung Ting / Kernspecht and lineage Boztepe, etc - they relax like Yip Man did! Fong's Wing Chun is nothing like what Yip Man did, just compare to videos of him.
@dcboogie Then again it's a demonstration. In a real fight they would probably use their fast punches and actually apply some force. I believe you can easily knock some one out with wing chun. :)
@cigarzan I understand were your coming from and its very funny lol. Did you know that in JKD (Bruce Lees) martial art groin kicks is a commonly used wepaon aswell as eye fingering. Sorry to be a bore lol
The vertical Punch for example,it detracts from the Practitioners natural balance,and the over focus on the Center line theory seems to rob the user of his many options.The blocks are cool,and alot of them work but many Wing Chun practitioners seem to focused on it and lack the principles of attacking correctly.
I like Wing Chun,I think some of its Principles are good but i think MMA fighting is more practical in a real fight where one is fighting against somebody from the streets.Its foundation,and balance to me seems better then Wing Chun,and its movements more natural.For Wing Chun to be realistic I think alot of it would have to be changed.
Just remember people that MMA is a sport when it comes down to it and sports have rules. The guys in the octogon are really fighting but its not a real fight. Not trying to take anything away from those guys because they are incredible athletes/fighters, but I don't buy into the notion that the MMA style is more "realistic" or "practical."
A martial art may not be better than another it depends on the person using it effectively, Anyone can claim that they do a certain martial art it lies in who uses it. saying MMA is better than kung fu is a failed judgement, rather than comparing the art compare the fighter's.
everyone keeps saying do this in an mma fight and shit. obviously they cant do it in an mma fight if only one guy knows mma. a real fight is completely different then mma fights and shit. that doesnt mean im sayin kung fu automatically wins but mma also does not automatically win.
I think some people have difficulty in separating "fighting" from "martial arts".
In this particular example the focus is on "art". Many martial arts are not designed for brawling on the street. Just appreciate them for what they are; artistic.
@MiniBlueDragon It's really not that difficult to understand how it is. Martial art's is about techniques, a deep recess in combat techniques, and as everybody can understand a real fight is messy, a big guy with no technique can also be tricky to a master. But if two masters fight eachother it's all about techniques, and that's how it was in China 300 or less years ago. Martial arts and it's origin is just too deep and advanced to be compared to regular ring fighting styles.
the problem is a lott of people don,t realize what they are doing is a exercise
i wish they explained more about what they are doing for people who dont know wing chun .. What they ar doing here is chi sau its a exercise to train your reflexes
@bass2theface it does not sir it means war, mainly because that is what martial arts were created for, to survive and kill, it is just 1000's of years of study and techniques and new systems has gone into it to make some martial arts more elegant, and peaceful to rather than kill, but subdue, and control a situation.
@MiniBlueDragon I think you have it the other way around. Fighting in this day and age is a sport which is bound by rules and regulations. Though it may resemble and draw from different techniques of the martial arts, its aim is to win contests of strength and subdue your opponent. Conversely, martial arts are simply methods of killing that were refined over hundreds of years and evolved to resemble a more elegant means of maiming or killing someone.
@MiniBlueDragon Indeed, but when martial arts teachers who teach something more flowing and non-realistic such as Taichi or Shaolin claim that it teaches you "self-defense", that is very irresponsible of the teacher IMO. Telling their students that they can use these techniques in a violent confrontation when they can't would be like the military giving a soldier an M-16 with no ammunition and shoving them in the middle of a war.
@troglodyte3344 - what would happen to me ? I would win.( if i use jeet khun doo ) if you know anything about martial arts and its long history. all fighting styles come from gung fu of some kind. Learn your history and don't think mma style did not start here.
@SkemeKOS LMAO..... You need to learn your history All fighting styles DO NOT come from Gung Fu they came from Romen wrestleing and part of what is now today called India.All the base movements started here and expanded.
for all you people that are posting this wouldnt work, shut your mouth. I took taekwondo, muay thai, and BJJ. I have a blackbelt and all 3, and wing chun is by far the best bet for self defence in any type of situation. I have also been doing some KRAV MAGA and that is very effective as well but is quite tough i got to say
I dont get it. Why does the other guy help by jumping up in the air when the "master" is going to bodyslam him? People were laughing so I guess this is all just a joke.
@SkemeKOS You wrote "Thats why you guys dont like him" 'Like?' Irrelevant. Liking or disliking BL is outside the point. To repeat WHAT I DID SAY: "No serious discussion of WC should include mention of BL. People who do so are trying to name-drop. My perspective: BL was an athlete and a celeb, but he's not OUR champion!" Or put another way, BL may continue as a legend but only in JKD and film industry circles.
You know what I mean. He abandoned the style as a whole and just carried over a few things from it because he felt most of it was useless in a real fight. Otherwise he would never have came up with his own style if he was happy with wing chun as a whole.
@SkemeKOS Your wrong. Bruce Lee moved to america as he was braking into main stream films. He could no longer train in wing chun because it wasnt taught outside of china at that time. He started interacting with other martial arts whilst in america and then started to incorporate this into his own system. As for wing chun being useless? Its been around for over 350 years and has been tried and tested there is no doubt about that.
@SkemeKOS It's hard to tell most of the time though! In modern competitions a lot of the stuff a good wing chun practitioner would do is illegal. And the wing chun practitioners that do get into competitions generally aren't that great anyway. But at the same time wing chun isn't the kind of martial art you'd use for a long, drawn out fight. whereas boxers and mma fighters train specifically for endurance and to be able to take a beating. So it's all contextual really!
I get what youre saying but the reason why MMA fighters and boxers train for endurance and long, drawn out fights is because they are in a business where their opponent isnt going to be a walk in the park. Their opponent is equally skilled which means the better the fighters are, the longer the battle is going to be as they cancel each other out. An MMA guy could finish a noob just as quickly as a wing chun man can by using his illegal wing chun.
A fight between two TOP wing chun guys would be a long, drawn out fight, too.
I actually like wing chun a lot(i respect ALL martial arts in fact), I just get mad when I come to watch these wing chun videos and read comments like "this wing chun guy would easily kill MMA" etc etc Its extremely annoying to read when youre a big fan of both.
If I appear as a wing chun hater, Im sorry. It was those comments I read that made me attack wing chun.
I would absolutely love to see some TOP wing chun guys in MMA.
Obviously, they would have to cross train in other styles like BJJ etc etc but it would be amazing to see for sure. Im a huge fan of Machida because he brings traditional martial arts to MMA and makes it work.(Yes, I know jiu jitsu, wrestling and judo etc are traditional martial arts too, but you dont see much karate and kung fu in MMA and its a shame)
I would absolutely love to see some TOP wing chun guys in MMA.
Obviously, they would have to cross train in other styles like BJJ etc etc but it would be amazing to see for sure. Im a huge fan of Machida because he brings traditional martial arts to MMA and makes it work.(Yes, I know jiu jitsu, wrestling and judo etc are traditional martial arts too, but you dont see much karate and kung fu in MMA and its a shame)
@SkemeKOS Yeah that's true. Also with MMA fighters and boxers, their fighting style relies heavily on size and strength for grappling/endurance/heavy blows respectively. In contrast a good wing chun practitioner is generally small in build to help promote speed and fluidity. Wing chun doesn't use strength to over power the opponent. It uses balance, dominance and speed to make the opponents strength invalid. But it's like in the sequel "ip man 2" where he's fighting a boxer.
@ShieldLiger13 he has a lot of trouble with the fight because although his speed and balance is generally better, the boxer is so strong and tough that he can't beat him for a long time and the boxer's hits do a lot of damage. But then he uses the third form of wing chun, Biu Jee (Bie tze), which focuses on pressure points and attacking your opponent within their body rather than just externally. So there's a lot more to wing chun than bruce lee could show anyone! And it's great for cardio haha!
Well yeah, boxing and MMA are INCREDIBLE for cardio too...and they focus on something similar to pressure points also. Jiu Jitsu for example focuses on the weakest points of the body and uses leverage to win without using strength or speed etc etc Boxing punches also drive through the opponent to do internal damage.
Heavy hits to the head are going to KO the opponent with ease so heavy hits are important too.
@SkemeKOS Yeah I agree with that, was just giving a bit more info on wing chun for any further discussions you might have had! Was good to actually talk to someone on youtube without someone saying "Come at me bro". Good discussion :)
@Uberboy07 Bruce lee was trained in Wing Chun, He applied other styles to create his own, TKD is more Wing Chun then styles he added boxing,wrestling, fencing etc.
With or with out Bruce Lee Wing Chun is effective, the problem is how its taught, if you study Qi Gong etc along with Wing Chun, it becomes more complete.
You close enough(depending on how strong your ablity is pick other peoples energy) and you will "connect", you'll know his moves before he does.
@ssMajor825 The term 'kung fu' refers laragely to physical labor of any kind. Anybody who is skilled with their hands could be considered to practice 'kung fu', regardless of whether it's a martial art or not. The term wushu refers more directly to chinese martial arts in general, of which there are scores of different varieties, one of which is wing chun.
I really don't believe in Wing Chun; I'm more of an open minded learner whose taking in the good and removing the bad (aka Jeet Kune Do). Wing Chung is way too fancy and formal; won't be good in a real fight or in MMA what so ever.
Bruce Lee who developed Jeet Kun Do from Wing Chun taught that a master of any martial arts who has developed themselves to the fullest will be deadly force regardless of what style the use. He also taught that one should not be confined to one style and if the situation calls for it, to switch styles. Jeet Kun Do aims to blend multiple arts together seamlessly and remove the wasted stances/movements. If you need to punch then punch, if you need to kick then kick. I suggest you look into him.
Wankers. That's what I love about YouTube: Everybody's a fucking expert. Armchair quarterbacks. That's all I have time for today. I have a life. Ciao.
fuck wing chun i got ina street fight two weeks ago didnt need any pattycake bullshit just fired off jab cross combo and pivoted the whole time broke the dudes nose and shut both his eyes he tried to fight south paw and throw hooks in a street fight , i wuda got my ass beat doin pattycake wingchun ,u wanna defend yerself do muay thai boxing bjj and wrestling u wanna dance with willin partners pay for the wing chun crap ,theres not a decent thing about wing chun, it all sucks.
Wing Chun probably is the quickest and most economic stand-up style in the world, and can even be quite lethal. However it's true effectiveness is not in the hands. It's actually the legs that make the style so effective, because it is a one-legged, unilateral style. However, it will never be a significant style in the MMA world, simply because of the presence of rules.
As far as ground game, one should entrust in Gracie Jiujitsu. No one said diversification of style is a bad thing.
@KungfuOcho - Well you're wrong in my opinion. Muay-Thai is the most lethal and economic striking art in the world. Its strikes are very simplistic but with devastating effects. The best footwork goes to boxing. But I personally prefer the modified version of boxing footwork for MMA. For the simple reason of preparing for takedowns. Wing Chun footwork is too flat footed and provides very little mobility. Its extremely useless against agile opponents.
@Keeiman - You were probably taught by a Wing Chun SIFU who didn't want you to leave his club. In case you decide to fire back your SIFU's resume at me, know that years of experience means very little to me, if there was no real fights to back it up. A few street fights mean very little to me as well. Because its unverifiable, normally street fighters have less experience and were probably not expecting any pushback. It only means something if you fight other equally qualified opponents.
@iApna i mean iam not a marital artist but my teacher was a taekwon-do instructor. I see what you are saying about fighting on the streets, anything goes no fair fighting. But my thing is why arguing over whose style is better.
@Keeiman - Its healthy to debate and argue, which is just another form of learning. How do you get someone to even take a look at your side of the argument? You pull them into a heated debate. Passionate martial-artist, will find a way to win the debate by researching the topic extensivly. Some who do the research might be intrigued with what they find and switch to MMA or Muay-Thai. Which serves my purpose in the growth of both. continued on the next thread.
@Keeiman - Continued, the next question someone might ask me is: Why who cares if Thai and MMA grows, how do I benefit? I'm interested in growth as a martial-artist, fighter and the art itself. I only learn if I am challenged. I do not want to be the "top dog" in my class because that means I'm not learning the way I want to. I seriously need to be beat-up so that I can reflect on my mistakes and try again. Getting hurt doesn't worry, learning nothing in the process does.
good fighter im sure but most wing chun on the net is a mess, all these so called applications are showboating . what use do they have other than to show off and share ideas god knows im pissed with it all after i gave up 10 years ago all i seen since is utter disrespect for shaolin, forget ip man cause they all claim hes the root and they are all doing different things go back to shaolin . Bruce Lee was right and shared the concept thats all but was riddicled for this even by ip man.
2. sloppy full contact where they stop after take downs
3. kf theory, chi sau or a guy throws a very predictable punch then stops and lets the master hit away at full speed.
4. kf guy getting whooped in reality
KF ppl need to train with other styles so they know how to use their techniques cleanly... no real fighter is going to chi sau w/ you. they will throw fake jabs though, and i bet 90% of kf students will take the bait..
i'm rooting for wing chun and chinese martial arts, but their training methods need to change. their moves make sense but the biggest problem is that they don't train at full speed nor do they train full contact enough for them to be familiar with executing their moves at full speed like bjj, tkd, and boxing.
@kpeng168 - Dude, Wing Chun will not change. Just drop it and join MMA. Train to completely annihilate your opponents. Here is a little motivational clip. It shows the level of intensity required to be a real fighter. The second clip just
A fighter does not become the best by simply learning a certain style, a fighter becomes the best through training, conditioning, heart, and a willingness to learn. Anyone who says that one martial art is better than another is being ignorant. It is the combination of knowledge and technique that makes a fighter great.
"absorb what is useful, discard what is not, and add what is uniquely your own" Bruce Lee
ariassumarok 21 hours ago
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See, now it is mumbo jumbo like that, and skinny little lizards like these fighter that give real Wing Chun a bad name.
TheCandyMan01 1 day ago
wing chun saved my friends life.
TheStimplefiend 3 days ago
@lolpranksta Bruce lee brought it into his movies, thats why it was more known later on
kaithebb720 4 days ago
I used to be beaten up at school, until I took Wing Chun
DizzyJaguer 4 days ago
Common mannnnnnnnn, I'll put these fools to sleep.
impstiman 4 days ago
Bruce Lee is over rated. Wing Chun is great because it applies martial arts to real life situation, not for sport but for battling opponents like chavs at the same time. I'm from the Wing Tsun branch and Wing Chun is also from the Jujitsu branch. This is only showing a small amount of Wing Chun, A bit of Nuk sao and Dan chi but no Lat sao or Blitz
DizzyJaguer 5 days ago
@DizzyJaguer
I dont get what youre trying to say. Why say Bruce Lee is over rated and then talk about sport fighting???
Any martial art is great for "battling chavs".
SkemeKOS 5 days ago
@SkemeKOS
What? Sport Fighting yes because if you look at things like Karate and Judo they are used for sport like tournaments and stuff. I was saying Bruce Lee is over rated coz everyone kept talking about him. Ip man was the man who taught Bruce Wing Chun and I simply prefer Ip man because to Bruce Lee Ip man was the master.
DizzyJaguer 3 days ago
@DizzyJaguer
You still make no sense, but whatever.
Bruce Lee didnt bother continuing his wing chun and moved onto his own "style" so he surpassed Ip Man by far. Just because Ip Man taught Bruce Lee some wing chun, doesnt mean Ip could beat Bruce LOL
Bruce was the better fighter(master) and wouldve destroyed Ip Man if they had to fight each other.
I prefer Bruce Lee by far.
SkemeKOS 3 days ago
noowwww i dont want to say he has wasted his life learning a pointless martial art buttttttttttttttttt
lusby16 6 days ago
@lusby16 if I have 10 more lifetimes after this one, I'm doing Wing Chun every single time
hgamer 6 days ago 3
@lusby16 this is a demonstration
34lbs 2 days ago
@lusby16 There are good things about every martial art. What most traditional martial artists fail to see is that you have to combine these techniques with conditioning and sparring in order for them to be affective. And because most traditional martial arts don't do this, then it has gotten to the point where 90% of their techniques are useless. However, he has only wasted his time if his goal was to learn to fight it the real world, which for many, it is not.
ariassumarok 22 hours ago
@lusby16 pointless ? dude...go to listen Justin Bieber !
LYUDCOLEGA 11 hours ago
Bruce Lee was, on the contrary, very basic in his wing chun. He only went as far as learning the first of the three open-hand forms, not to mention the armed ones.
jamiehepburn 1 week ago
@jamiehepburn i doubt he did anything beyond Siu Lim Tao
hgamer 1 week ago
What I don't get Is that everyone goes on about Bruce lee and I know he was amazing but IP man was his teacher and he was the real master of the wing chung style.
theROBOTchickens911 2 weeks ago
@theROBOTchickens911 IP man said that he did not train for combat application, bruce lee did. which is why I personally think that it's pointless to compare them at all
ariassumarok 22 hours ago
I work at a facility for the mentally ill, and I do have to say, sticking hands definitely helped build up reflexes that have helped me on the job, especially in breaking up fights. The most recent incident I had to step in to break up, I was able to keep the patient from attacking by restraining the shoulders with my hands from the front, preventing any attempts to strike anyone. I had to read the movements in motion, and that's where the sticking hand training came in.
Diggy22 2 weeks ago
@Diggy22 That's awesome.
jbrandonf 2 weeks ago
I like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
josh808m 2 weeks ago 3
@josh808m
Me too! BJJ FTW!!!
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
Football players practice this? Huh.
2ndhandsoul 2 weeks ago
that was a great apresentation, but it wont work again mma fighter
SuperGeneral1111 2 weeks ago
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@SuperGeneral1111 "that was a great apresentation, but it wont work again mma fighter"
Are you stupid?
Is there a part of "demonstration" you dont understand?
Chi Sao is a training method, not a fighting technique.
MMA means MIXED martial arts. JKD is a style formed by Bruce lee and is the first (modern) example of MMA. Bruce is quoted as saying "JDK is 50% Wing Chun"
UFC idiots think that because its on TV and looks flashy it must beat everything. U are sucked in by media
gambleyourhealth 2 weeks ago
I have a video in my channel entitled "boxing vs. aikido", the moves there are like wing chun but basically it's not because it's an aikido blockings founded on the techique called ikkyo. Perhaps you would want to watch it. Thanks.
mitchshen1 2 weeks ago
crap
RUBENBRITOS 2 weeks ago
lol are those guys on the bottom comment knows what they r talking about, Bruce Lee created a style called Jun Fan he mixed in wing chun in his style to create a new style of kung fu, and wing chun wasn't abandoned he practice it in a different way.
TijiSan 3 weeks ago
Trust me,when you learn wing chun you gain extreme speed and power through hitting wooden dummy, it also harden your bone, if you block someone's attack they going to hurt
gagaXboy 3 weeks ago
Bruce Lee's speed came from where? Ah yes, studying under Yip Man
MrJayswagg12 3 weeks ago
@MrJayswagg12 actually it came from his countless hours of conditioning and training
ariassumarok 22 hours ago
@skemekos
Check your FACTS brotha Known as Jeet Kune Do (Cantonese), Jie Quan Dao (Mandarin), or Way of the Intercepting Fist (English); it is the Martial Art founded by Bruce Lee, incorporating all that is useful from every Martial Art, heavily influenced by the system of Wing Chun.
MrJayswagg12 3 weeks ago
o and no power no knockout? seriously? ignorance.
TheYungSaga 3 weeks ago
ya soooo. i feel like im looking at comments from a ps3 vs xbox360 video. EVERY type of martial art has its weakness. MMA is nothing more than a combination of the styles and techniques which is basically the idea for JKD. The way your body is and moves naturally also makes a difference. Quit hating and just learn. If you think wing chun is useless in a real situation you ARE wrong. Did I say youll win the fight, no. your gung fu is only as good as you make it.
TheYungSaga 3 weeks ago
Bruce would slap the sh*t out of you if you told him he abandoned wing chun. It was his basis for jeet kune do.
MrJayswagg12 3 weeks ago
@MrJayswagg12
But the fact is he DID abandon Wing chun. He made his own style called JKD and no longer practised wing chun on its own so therefore he abandoned the style of wing chun. Thats FACT!
He just added a few things from wing chun like the trapping into his style, but thats about it. Everything else like stance, footwork, bobbing, weaving, punches, kicks, elbows, knees, grappling etc etc were from other styles.
Wing chun style as a whole was abandoned.
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
WRONG . Wing Chun is famous because of Master Ip. Not Bruce Lee.
lolpranksta 1 month ago 36
@lolpranksta I'm pretty sure more people have heard of Bruce Lee than Ip Man. Most people will know about Wing Chun because of Bruce Lee.
Bloodstream8 2 weeks ago
@lolpranksta LOL, bullshit mate.
You never even heard of Ip Man until the movie came out.
gambleyourhealth 2 weeks ago
@lolpranksta it went "mainstream" because of Bruce Lee
HiJaayD 2 weeks ago
@lolpranksta Wing Chun is famous because of Bruce Lee. People just know Ip Man because he spread Wing Chun throughout the world when he left China. Ip man isn't even the creator of Wing Chun. Bruce Lee participated in the movies using his alteration of Wing Chun, while still giving credit to his master, so that many people would come to know of WingChun. I don't know where you got your funny speculation (maybe from the movie Ip Man), but Bruce Lee is the one who made WingChun famous
xpkerx098 1 week ago
@xpkerx098 Ip Man trained Bruce Lee. He also co-founded the Wing Chun Athletic Association and had a large hand in pioneering global wing chun practice. It was him that influenced Bruce Lee greatly, as most people would not teach him or train with him (bruce lee's mother was half caucasian). In popular culture bruce lee did not make wing chun famous as he went with his own movement: Jeet Kune Do which was loosely based on Wing chun and several other martial arts. Just some background info there.
ShieldLiger13 1 week ago
@ShieldLiger13
I personally think Bruce made it a LOT more popular than it wouldve been than if it was just Ip Man promoting it.
Without Bruce Lee, millions of people wouldnt have ever heard of wing chun or been interested in it. I wouldnt have heard of wing chun if it wasnt for Bruce Lee.
His MASSIVE popularity is guaranteed to have greatly impacted the popularity and awareness of wing chun.
SkemeKOS 1 week ago
@SkemeKOS I think again it works both ways though. I'm thinking more of the side where it was introduced globally to existing martial artists. This would have been purely ip man. But commercially to people like you and me, you're right. It was mainly bruce lee that introduced us to wing chun. But you can't forget who introduced him to it! ;)
ShieldLiger13 5 days ago
@lolpranksta
Nope. If most people only know about wing chun because of Bruce Lee.
He made it more popular than Master Ip couldve dreamed.
SkemeKOS 1 week ago
@lolpranksta ip man is famous because of bruce lee
peterpourier 1 week ago
@peterpourier Are you fucking stupid? Ip Man TRAINED Bruce Lee. Wing Chung became extremely popular during 1950's up to now. Do you even know the history behind these two? Get your facts straight before replying to someone with more knowledge than you.
lolpranksta 6 days ago
@lolpranksta I know Ip Man trained Bruce i know the history and skills of both martial artists and i respect them both greatly, to me they are legendary figures. why do you think i'm watching this video? it was definitely not to see one sided views in the comments. and you sound desperate when you claim to have more knowledge than me, even though i have said few words. the guy didn't say bruce lee was better at wing chun, just that he made it popular with his movies and persona.
peterpourier 6 days ago
@peterpourier You completely missed my point. You stated that Bruce Lee made Ip Man famous when clearly it was the other way around. If it weren't for Ip Man, then Bruce Lee would have never came to be. It was all because of Ip man. No, he didn't create it, but he perfected it.
lolpranksta 6 days ago
@lolpranksta
Its YOU who is completely missing the point. Bruce Lee made Ip Man famous. FACT.
Bruce Lee was a SUPER star. What was Ip Man???
More people know about Ip Man and wing chun through Bruce Lee than know of Bruce Lee and wing chun through Ip Man.
Youre severely underestimating the huge popularity of Bruce Lee.
SkemeKOS 5 days ago
@lolpranksta
WRONG wing chun is famous cause of B Lee, and than cause of IP MAN
xansheng 4 days ago
I like WC its a beautiful display of grace and control I see that it is not just self control you can bend the will of the oponant
TheMCXII 1 month ago
I used to practice wing chun until I took an Alistar Overeem knee.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
If this is the ultimate demonstration of wing chun, then I guess I will never like it.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
Wing chin
MsMemphis84 1 month ago
Fong's Wing Chun is absolutely terrible!!!!! He uses a lot of force and his weight is all over the place, not too mention sloppy technique also. Go compare to Leung Ting / Kernspecht and lineage Boztepe, etc - they relax like Yip Man did! Fong's Wing Chun is nothing like what Yip Man did, just compare to videos of him.
CloudsBeyond 1 month ago
@CloudsBeyond
A quick knee to the balls would end ALL this wing chun sillyness though. It doesnt matter who is doing the winging OR the chunning.
Just remember that.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
this my friends is what you call a bitch fight.
calloftehviking7 1 month ago
Okay, I believe you than ;-)
dcboogie 1 month ago
no power, no knockout.
dcboogie 1 month ago
@dcboogie Then again it's a demonstration. In a real fight they would probably use their fast punches and actually apply some force. I believe you can easily knock some one out with wing chun. :)
Ibfinity 1 month ago
que chingados es eso!!
PARGODIENTON 1 month ago
A knee to the cojones would put a quick end to this foolishness.
cigarzan 1 month ago
@cigarzan I understand were your coming from and its very funny lol. Did you know that in JKD (Bruce Lees) martial art groin kicks is a commonly used wepaon aswell as eye fingering. Sorry to be a bore lol
bldearden 1 month ago
@bldearden
Youre not being a bore, my friend.
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@cigarzan
LOL So true!
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@cigarzan
You haven't really tried it, have you? ;-)
grozde 4 weeks ago
@cigarzan if u can hit him
Deian69 4 weeks ago
@cigarzan just like pulling a gun out during tic tac toe. What's the fucking point?? >.>
Mordanis 3 weeks ago
@cigarzan if your a pussy
CaramelFMA 3 weeks ago
The vertical Punch for example,it detracts from the Practitioners natural balance,and the over focus on the Center line theory seems to rob the user of his many options.The blocks are cool,and alot of them work but many Wing Chun practitioners seem to focused on it and lack the principles of attacking correctly.
MrBobeeto 1 month ago
I like Wing Chun,I think some of its Principles are good but i think MMA fighting is more practical in a real fight where one is fighting against somebody from the streets.Its foundation,and balance to me seems better then Wing Chun,and its movements more natural.For Wing Chun to be realistic I think alot of it would have to be changed.
MrBobeeto 1 month ago
Just remember people that MMA is a sport when it comes down to it and sports have rules. The guys in the octogon are really fighting but its not a real fight. Not trying to take anything away from those guys because they are incredible athletes/fighters, but I don't buy into the notion that the MMA style is more "realistic" or "practical."
SpikeJonesTheCr0oked 1 month ago
Nice dance
RieklinRideR 1 month ago
people still don't understand that mma is for show.
AnimaeLibera 1 month ago
A martial art may not be better than another it depends on the person using it effectively, Anyone can claim that they do a certain martial art it lies in who uses it. saying MMA is better than kung fu is a failed judgement, rather than comparing the art compare the fighter's.
RuthlessMMA1 1 month ago
everyone keeps saying do this in an mma fight and shit. obviously they cant do it in an mma fight if only one guy knows mma. a real fight is completely different then mma fights and shit. that doesnt mean im sayin kung fu automatically wins but mma also does not automatically win.
thesoulsurvivor456 1 month ago
Let's Dance!
MrThesla 1 month ago
I think some people have difficulty in separating "fighting" from "martial arts".
In this particular example the focus is on "art". Many martial arts are not designed for brawling on the street. Just appreciate them for what they are; artistic.
MiniBlueDragon 1 month ago 18
@MiniBlueDragon Actually, Wing chun IS designed exactly for street self defence.
thechicat 1 month ago
@MiniBlueDragon ur gay
CSZNJ 1 month ago
@MiniBlueDragon It's really not that difficult to understand how it is. Martial art's is about techniques, a deep recess in combat techniques, and as everybody can understand a real fight is messy, a big guy with no technique can also be tricky to a master. But if two masters fight eachother it's all about techniques, and that's how it was in China 300 or less years ago. Martial arts and it's origin is just too deep and advanced to be compared to regular ring fighting styles.
nils4545 1 month ago
@MiniBlueDragon
the problem is a lott of people don,t realize what they are doing is a exercise
i wish they explained more about what they are doing for people who dont know wing chun .. What they ar doing here is chi sau its a exercise to train your reflexes
and such
coolbreezeification 4 weeks ago
@coolbreezeification
Yeah, we have a lot of very similar drills in BJJ that are designed to train our reflexes and muscle memory etc etc
The problem IS with wing chun teachers and videos not explaining what is going on.
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
@MiniBlueDragon "martial art" means "system of fighting."
bass2theface 3 weeks ago
@bass2theface it does not sir it means war, mainly because that is what martial arts were created for, to survive and kill, it is just 1000's of years of study and techniques and new systems has gone into it to make some martial arts more elegant, and peaceful to rather than kill, but subdue, and control a situation.
B3nBo1194 2 weeks ago
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@bass2theface "martial art" means "system of fighting."
No it doesnt.
Japanese Archery is a Martial Art, is that a fighting system?
Chin Na is a Martial Art, is that a fighting system?
TaiJiJuan is a Martial Art, is that a fighting system?
Kendo is a Martial Art, is it a fighting system?
Iaido is a Martial Art, is it a fighting system?
Martial - "Of War"
Art - "The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination"
Martial Art - "The creative skill of War"
gambleyourhealth 2 weeks ago
@MiniBlueDragon I think you have it the other way around. Fighting in this day and age is a sport which is bound by rules and regulations. Though it may resemble and draw from different techniques of the martial arts, its aim is to win contests of strength and subdue your opponent. Conversely, martial arts are simply methods of killing that were refined over hundreds of years and evolved to resemble a more elegant means of maiming or killing someone.
gotz2bk 2 weeks ago
@MiniBlueDragon Indeed, but when martial arts teachers who teach something more flowing and non-realistic such as Taichi or Shaolin claim that it teaches you "self-defense", that is very irresponsible of the teacher IMO. Telling their students that they can use these techniques in a violent confrontation when they can't would be like the military giving a soldier an M-16 with no ammunition and shoving them in the middle of a war.
ninpo4life 2 weeks ago
oh this is so realistic isnt it...........NOT! what a waist of time, you wanna learn how to fight, take up MMA
cody10pjj 1 month ago
@cody10pjj The style of fighting isn't the only deciding factor in a fight.
HakMan1989 1 month ago
Paddy cake, paddy cake bakers man, make me a demo as lame as you can;-p
0713mas 1 month ago
do that in an MMA match and see what happens to you.
troglodyte3344 1 month ago
@troglodyte3344
have actually seen this. the wing chun guy battered the mma guy lol.
FlemIsBad 1 month ago
@FlemIsBad and then you woke up
troglodyte3344 1 month ago
@troglodyte3344 - what would happen to me ? I would win.( if i use jeet khun doo ) if you know anything about martial arts and its long history. all fighting styles come from gung fu of some kind. Learn your history and don't think mma style did not start here.
woothai1 1 month ago
@woothai1 Hi thanks for your reply. Please provide proof of your claims in the form of links to articles and page numbers. - thank you
troglodyte3344 1 month ago
@woothai1
Jeet khun doo??? LMFAO!!!!!
All fighting styles come from gung fu??? LMFAO!!!!
I think you need to take your own advice and "learn your history" LMFAO!!!!!!!
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS LMAO..... You need to learn your history All fighting styles DO NOT come from Gung Fu they came from Romen wrestleing and part of what is now today called India.All the base movements started here and expanded.
kenpoman1975 4 weeks ago
@kenpoman1975
LOL What are talking about??? When did I say all fighting styles come from gung fu???
I think you need to read my comments again, my friend. :)
SkemeKOS 4 weeks ago
for all you people that are posting this wouldnt work, shut your mouth. I took taekwondo, muay thai, and BJJ. I have a blackbelt and all 3, and wing chun is by far the best bet for self defence in any type of situation. I have also been doing some KRAV MAGA and that is very effective as well but is quite tough i got to say
defeatthebullies 1 month ago
They are dancing? O.o
Nemke91BG 1 month ago
Haters gonna hate i guess, seeing the comments underneath from unappreciative people who dont know who fight. =/
Joeyboiification 1 month ago
this sifu looks a little rusty
TheCoon891 1 month ago
Oh shit this guy held a seminar at my Muay Thai gym a while ago. I didn't go...
MobiusCoin 1 month ago
HAHAHAHAHAH I LAUGH AT THIS SHIT
ShadowJoshua92 1 month ago
He´s a fat prick.
DemonofAir 1 month ago
I dont get it. Why does the other guy help by jumping up in the air when the "master" is going to bodyslam him? People were laughing so I guess this is all just a joke.
bj0rnx0n 1 month ago 2
Haha sac rip takedown. Wing chun is awesome, seems similar to some FMA and even krav maga in that its quick and direct with less dancing about.
panoptes1 1 month ago
Wing Chun practitioners need to stop using Bruce Lee to gain credit & attention to WC. It's not "the style" Bruce trained, It's one of many.
Uberboy07 1 month ago
@Uberboy07
Absolutely- no serious discussion of WC should include mention of BL.
People who do so are trying to name-drop.
My perspective: BL was an athlete and a celeb, but he's not OUR champion!
DizzyDerwish 1 month ago
@DizzyDerwish I'm guessing you consider your champion Yip Man - or possibly an older legend? Also, sorry if I came off rude. I meant no disrespect :)
Uberboy07 1 month ago
@DizzyDerwish
Bruce Lee would kill all you wing chun wimps. Thats why you guys dont like him...because he abandoned your precious wing chum.
Bruce was a SMART man indeed. :)
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
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DizzyDerwish 1 month ago
@SkemeKOS Bruce Lee did not abandon wing chun,... go to any Jeet Kune Do school and you will see how it all blends in.
Al8minium 3 weeks ago
@Al8minium
You know what I mean. He abandoned the style as a whole and just carried over a few things from it because he felt most of it was useless in a real fight. Otherwise he would never have came up with his own style if he was happy with wing chun as a whole.
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
@SkemeKOS Ya, your right but Wing Chun was the foundation he always used.......
edward6913 3 weeks ago
@edward6913
I would say boxing was more the foundation for JKD to be honest.
SkemeKOS 3 weeks ago
@SkemeKOS Your wrong. Bruce Lee moved to america as he was braking into main stream films. He could no longer train in wing chun because it wasnt taught outside of china at that time. He started interacting with other martial arts whilst in america and then started to incorporate this into his own system. As for wing chun being useless? Its been around for over 350 years and has been tried and tested there is no doubt about that.
SuperEpeen 2 weeks ago
@SuperEpeen
When its tried and tested, it always loses against MMA or grappling though.
It does OK against other stand up styles but its not really dominant. I dont think it would do too well against boxing or muay thai either.
And what am I wrong about, by the way? I dont know what comment of mine youre referring to.
SkemeKOS 2 weeks ago
@SkemeKOS It's hard to tell most of the time though! In modern competitions a lot of the stuff a good wing chun practitioner would do is illegal. And the wing chun practitioners that do get into competitions generally aren't that great anyway. But at the same time wing chun isn't the kind of martial art you'd use for a long, drawn out fight. whereas boxers and mma fighters train specifically for endurance and to be able to take a beating. So it's all contextual really!
ShieldLiger13 1 week ago
@ShieldLiger13
I get what youre saying but the reason why MMA fighters and boxers train for endurance and long, drawn out fights is because they are in a business where their opponent isnt going to be a walk in the park. Their opponent is equally skilled which means the better the fighters are, the longer the battle is going to be as they cancel each other out. An MMA guy could finish a noob just as quickly as a wing chun man can by using his illegal wing chun.
SkemeKOS 1 week ago
A fight between two TOP wing chun guys would be a long, drawn out fight, too.
I actually like wing chun a lot(i respect ALL martial arts in fact), I just get mad when I come to watch these wing chun videos and read comments like "this wing chun guy would easily kill MMA" etc etc Its extremely annoying to read when youre a big fan of both.
If I appear as a wing chun hater, Im sorry. It was those comments I read that made me attack wing chun.
SkemeKOS 1 week ago
I would absolutely love to see some TOP wing chun guys in MMA.
Obviously, they would have to cross train in other styles like BJJ etc etc but it would be amazing to see for sure. Im a huge fan of Machida because he brings traditional martial arts to MMA and makes it work.(Yes, I know jiu jitsu, wrestling and judo etc are traditional martial arts too, but you dont see much karate and kung fu in MMA and its a shame)
SkemeKOS 1 week ago
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I would absolutely love to see some TOP wing chun guys in MMA.
Obviously, they would have to cross train in other styles like BJJ etc etc but it would be amazing to see for sure. Im a huge fan of Machida because he brings traditional martial arts to MMA and makes it work.(Yes, I know jiu jitsu, wrestling and judo etc are traditional martial arts too, but you dont see much karate and kung fu in MMA and its a shame)
SkemeKOS 1 week ago
@SkemeKOS Yeah that's true. Also with MMA fighters and boxers, their fighting style relies heavily on size and strength for grappling/endurance/heavy blows respectively. In contrast a good wing chun practitioner is generally small in build to help promote speed and fluidity. Wing chun doesn't use strength to over power the opponent. It uses balance, dominance and speed to make the opponents strength invalid. But it's like in the sequel "ip man 2" where he's fighting a boxer.
ShieldLiger13 5 days ago
@ShieldLiger13 he has a lot of trouble with the fight because although his speed and balance is generally better, the boxer is so strong and tough that he can't beat him for a long time and the boxer's hits do a lot of damage. But then he uses the third form of wing chun, Biu Jee (Bie tze), which focuses on pressure points and attacking your opponent within their body rather than just externally. So there's a lot more to wing chun than bruce lee could show anyone! And it's great for cardio haha!
ShieldLiger13 5 days ago
@ShieldLiger13
Well yeah, boxing and MMA are INCREDIBLE for cardio too...and they focus on something similar to pressure points also. Jiu Jitsu for example focuses on the weakest points of the body and uses leverage to win without using strength or speed etc etc Boxing punches also drive through the opponent to do internal damage.
Heavy hits to the head are going to KO the opponent with ease so heavy hits are important too.
SkemeKOS 5 days ago
@SkemeKOS Yeah I agree with that, was just giving a bit more info on wing chun for any further discussions you might have had! Was good to actually talk to someone on youtube without someone saying "Come at me bro". Good discussion :)
ShieldLiger13 15 hours ago
@Uberboy07 Bruce lee was trained in Wing Chun, He applied other styles to create his own, TKD is more Wing Chun then styles he added boxing,wrestling, fencing etc.
With or with out Bruce Lee Wing Chun is effective, the problem is how its taught, if you study Qi Gong etc along with Wing Chun, it becomes more complete.
You close enough(depending on how strong your ablity is pick other peoples energy) and you will "connect", you'll know his moves before he does.
sizah185 1 month ago
@sizah185
"you'll know his moves before he does."
WTF!!!! But thats MAGIC!
SkemeKOS 1 month ago
I have one of his Panther Productions videos. I pop in in once in a while.
diestroduende 1 month ago
ppl get over if kung fu and espesialy win chun is SHIET
sahiel5 1 month ago
Virtually useless for fighting, Hope and Crosby did it better with "Pattycake, pattycake, baker's man.."
GreenDistantStar 1 month ago
Why the fuck are these people laughing!! Show some respect! smh
FPav15 1 month ago
IP man brought me here
zelbjrramos 1 month ago
Good demo
davidemt12ful 1 month ago
Who's the genius who hung those dragon banners? Seriously. Brilliant set-up.
IronMongoose1 1 month ago
@ssMajor825 The term 'kung fu' refers laragely to physical labor of any kind. Anybody who is skilled with their hands could be considered to practice 'kung fu', regardless of whether it's a martial art or not. The term wushu refers more directly to chinese martial arts in general, of which there are scores of different varieties, one of which is wing chun.
Postscript624 1 month ago
I really don't believe in Wing Chun; I'm more of an open minded learner whose taking in the good and removing the bad (aka Jeet Kune Do). Wing Chung is way too fancy and formal; won't be good in a real fight or in MMA what so ever.
LeVaughnX 1 month ago
fantastic sense of humour. what a great demo!
rothkoaintdead 1 month ago
Wing Chun is a form or concept for self-defense and body.
VueThao19 1 month ago
Bruce Lee who developed Jeet Kun Do from Wing Chun taught that a master of any martial arts who has developed themselves to the fullest will be deadly force regardless of what style the use. He also taught that one should not be confined to one style and if the situation calls for it, to switch styles. Jeet Kun Do aims to blend multiple arts together seamlessly and remove the wasted stances/movements. If you need to punch then punch, if you need to kick then kick. I suggest you look into him.
eurofutballa12 2 months ago
i did not say bujinkan is the most effective martial art in the world i said wing chun is the most effective martial art in the world not bujinkan
billzaninja 2 months ago
Wang chung? Dance hall days??haha..
AvidAngels 2 months ago
Who is this Sifu and where is he teaching ? Thank you
julian16s 2 months ago
@julian16s
As the narrator does say, this is Augustine Fong.
He teaches in Tucson, Arizona.
His students operate branches all over, like the guy who posted this demo, who's in Chicago.
DizzyDerwish 1 month ago
i search wing chun. becuase of ip man.
thirteenthmassacre 2 months ago
UFC
AshBlue1989 2 months ago
Wankers. That's what I love about YouTube: Everybody's a fucking expert. Armchair quarterbacks. That's all I have time for today. I have a life. Ciao.
unclesamtookmymoney 2 months ago
fuck wing chun i got ina street fight two weeks ago didnt need any pattycake bullshit just fired off jab cross combo and pivoted the whole time broke the dudes nose and shut both his eyes he tried to fight south paw and throw hooks in a street fight , i wuda got my ass beat doin pattycake wingchun ,u wanna defend yerself do muay thai boxing bjj and wrestling u wanna dance with willin partners pay for the wing chun crap ,theres not a decent thing about wing chun, it all sucks.
samtotheg 2 months ago
Wing Chun probably is the quickest and most economic stand-up style in the world, and can even be quite lethal. However it's true effectiveness is not in the hands. It's actually the legs that make the style so effective, because it is a one-legged, unilateral style. However, it will never be a significant style in the MMA world, simply because of the presence of rules.
As far as ground game, one should entrust in Gracie Jiujitsu. No one said diversification of style is a bad thing.
KungfuOcho 2 months ago
@KungfuOcho - Well you're wrong in my opinion. Muay-Thai is the most lethal and economic striking art in the world. Its strikes are very simplistic but with devastating effects. The best footwork goes to boxing. But I personally prefer the modified version of boxing footwork for MMA. For the simple reason of preparing for takedowns. Wing Chun footwork is too flat footed and provides very little mobility. Its extremely useless against agile opponents.
iApna 2 months ago
@SubmissionWrestler
Are you saying WC is effective??
wingchunisforhomos 2 months ago
@iApna
Sorry buddy, I misread you and had someone else in mind. Peace :)
wingchunisforhomos 2 months ago
@wingchunisforhomos Please STFU troll.
SubmissionWrestIer 2 months ago
@iApna
"I seriously need to be beat up..."
Yep, you do. And get used to it because wing chun will get your ass handed to you every time you try to take on anyone who can fight.
wingchunisforhomos 2 months ago
@wingchunisforhomos - I don't practice Wing Chun. I practice Muay-Thai and MMA.
iApna 2 months ago
well i was always taught that no form of Martial arts is superior to another but rather the abilities of the individual(s).
Keeiman 2 months ago
@Keeiman - You were probably taught by a Wing Chun SIFU who didn't want you to leave his club. In case you decide to fire back your SIFU's resume at me, know that years of experience means very little to me, if there was no real fights to back it up. A few street fights mean very little to me as well. Because its unverifiable, normally street fighters have less experience and were probably not expecting any pushback. It only means something if you fight other equally qualified opponents.
iApna 2 months ago
@iApna i mean iam not a marital artist but my teacher was a taekwon-do instructor. I see what you are saying about fighting on the streets, anything goes no fair fighting. But my thing is why arguing over whose style is better.
Keeiman 2 months ago
@Keeiman - Its healthy to debate and argue, which is just another form of learning. How do you get someone to even take a look at your side of the argument? You pull them into a heated debate. Passionate martial-artist, will find a way to win the debate by researching the topic extensivly. Some who do the research might be intrigued with what they find and switch to MMA or Muay-Thai. Which serves my purpose in the growth of both. continued on the next thread.
iApna 2 months ago
@Keeiman - Continued, the next question someone might ask me is: Why who cares if Thai and MMA grows, how do I benefit? I'm interested in growth as a martial-artist, fighter and the art itself. I only learn if I am challenged. I do not want to be the "top dog" in my class because that means I'm not learning the way I want to. I seriously need to be beat-up so that I can reflect on my mistakes and try again. Getting hurt doesn't worry, learning nothing in the process does.
iApna 2 months ago
good fighter im sure but most wing chun on the net is a mess, all these so called applications are showboating . what use do they have other than to show off and share ideas god knows im pissed with it all after i gave up 10 years ago all i seen since is utter disrespect for shaolin, forget ip man cause they all claim hes the root and they are all doing different things go back to shaolin . Bruce Lee was right and shared the concept thats all but was riddicled for this even by ip man.
danaphonin 2 months ago
4 sad types of kung fu vids.
1. san shou or mma labeled as kf
2. sloppy full contact where they stop after take downs
3. kf theory, chi sau or a guy throws a very predictable punch then stops and lets the master hit away at full speed.
4. kf guy getting whooped in reality
KF ppl need to train with other styles so they know how to use their techniques cleanly... no real fighter is going to chi sau w/ you. they will throw fake jabs though, and i bet 90% of kf students will take the bait..
kpeng168 2 months ago
i'm rooting for wing chun and chinese martial arts, but their training methods need to change. their moves make sense but the biggest problem is that they don't train at full speed nor do they train full contact enough for them to be familiar with executing their moves at full speed like bjj, tkd, and boxing.
kpeng168 2 months ago
@kpeng168 - Dude, Wing Chun will not change. Just drop it and join MMA. Train to completely annihilate your opponents. Here is a little motivational clip. It shows the level of intensity required to be a real fighter. The second clip just