@SilverPinions At this point in Roman history they were a bit like the Tokugawa Shogunate. There were no executions or duels or imprisonment. Laws were enforced by mandated suicide. Only a century before under the Republic such orders would have been unthinkable. A century or so later and the emperors themselves were rountinely assassinated. Seneca was about in the middle, halfway between strict civil rights and total chaos.
Yes, Paris 1978. I was at this performance. One of my most great memories of Ghiaurov. He surpassed everybody, even Vickers, making a Seneca filled with grandeur like I have never heard one before, after, and probably will never hear again. Ghiaurov was a unique phenomenon, a real artist, a real singer. Now it's different. I'm not judging anyone, I simply try to compare, but he was a true genius at stage. Today we have got only second hand talents.
Yes, Paris 1978. I was at this performance. One of my most great remembrances of Ghiaurov. He surpassed everybody, even Vickers, making a Seneca full of grandeur like I have never heard before, after, and probably will never hear again. I was 22. Ghiaurov was a unique phenomenon, a real artist, a real singer. Now it's different. I'm not judging anyone, I simply try to compare, but he was a true genius at stage. Today we have only second hand talents.
Yes, Paris 1978. I was at this performance. One of my most great remembrances of the genius that was Ghiaurov. He surpassed everybody, even Vickers, making a Seneca full of grandeur like I have never heard anyone after, and probably will never hear again. I was 22. Ghiaurov was a unique phenomenon, a real artist, a real singer. Now it's different. I'm not judging anyone, I simply try to compare, but he was a true genius at stage. Today we have only second hand talents.
Hola a todos, tengo delante la partitura y si esta a tono es decir tal cual la escribio el compositor, esa nota final en partitura es un RE natural o D3, pero Ghiaurov y otros que pueden cantan una octava mas baja, en este caso la D2, escuchen la version de Giorgio Tadeo, tambien es impresionante. Un saludo.
Yes, yes he sings an E natural and the score indicates a D. But... The modern score is not from the original performances. And who knows what the concert pitch was. Certainly not A=440hz. It may have been anywhere from 380 to 480.
I bought an electronic pitch pipe because I was criticized for being off on my low notes. But the D it produces is two octaves above low D. My pitch discrimination isn't good enough to be accurate. Someone else had written that it was an E. I accepted that judgement.
I went to the piano in the living room again. It sounds like an E to me not a D. But my ear isn't very good and it's a long way to hold a pitch in my head.
I'm sure someone with absolute pitch will comment.
@ranigema Quelle chance as-tu de ne pas connaître cette voix lourde et inconsistante à la fois!Tu ne perds rien;épargne tes oreilles,elles seront mieux employées ailleurs!
No, no, no - this is Ghiaurov. He is astounding. I have ocassionally been interesting or amusing. But I could never sing like this. That doesn't bother me much because no one else could either.
The title sounds like the grimmest children's book ever written.
SilverPinions 2 months ago
@SilverPinions At this point in Roman history they were a bit like the Tokugawa Shogunate. There were no executions or duels or imprisonment. Laws were enforced by mandated suicide. Only a century before under the Republic such orders would have been unthinkable. A century or so later and the emperors themselves were rountinely assassinated. Seneca was about in the middle, halfway between strict civil rights and total chaos.
Agorante 2 months ago 2
TREMENDOUS!
The stupendous Ghiaurov!
The greatest!
TraVoiBelle 1 year ago 4
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Before the musicological overkill, as Glenn Gould called it.
mose3 1 year ago
Sublime Ghiaurov Grazie !
bodiloto 1 year ago
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Yes, Paris 1978. I was at this performance. One of my most great memories of Ghiaurov. He surpassed everybody, even Vickers, making a Seneca filled with grandeur like I have never heard one before, after, and probably will never hear again. Ghiaurov was a unique phenomenon, a real artist, a real singer. Now it's different. I'm not judging anyone, I simply try to compare, but he was a true genius at stage. Today we have got only second hand talents.
MarioLubenov 1 year ago
Yes, Paris 1978. I was at this performance. One of my most great remembrances of Ghiaurov. He surpassed everybody, even Vickers, making a Seneca full of grandeur like I have never heard before, after, and probably will never hear again. I was 22. Ghiaurov was a unique phenomenon, a real artist, a real singer. Now it's different. I'm not judging anyone, I simply try to compare, but he was a true genius at stage. Today we have only second hand talents.
MarioLubenov 1 year ago 7
Yes, Paris 1978. I was at this performance. One of my most great remembrances of the genius that was Ghiaurov. He surpassed everybody, even Vickers, making a Seneca full of grandeur like I have never heard anyone after, and probably will never hear again. I was 22. Ghiaurov was a unique phenomenon, a real artist, a real singer. Now it's different. I'm not judging anyone, I simply try to compare, but he was a true genius at stage. Today we have only second hand talents.
MarioLubenov 1 year ago 2
Hola a todos, tengo delante la partitura y si esta a tono es decir tal cual la escribio el compositor, esa nota final en partitura es un RE natural o D3, pero Ghiaurov y otros que pueden cantan una octava mas baja, en este caso la D2, escuchen la version de Giorgio Tadeo, tambien es impresionante. Un saludo.
sarastrone 1 year ago
Yes, yes he sings an E natural and the score indicates a D. But... The modern score is not from the original performances. And who knows what the concert pitch was. Certainly not A=440hz. It may have been anywhere from 380 to 480.
Agorante 2 years ago
I do not have absolute pitch, but I believe my ear is good. I compared it with a piano and it's a E, and a really good one!!
jujujijijaja 2 years ago
Yes, it's a marvellous E. You are right.
Riparotondo 2 years ago
The tonality is transposed. Ghiaurov sings a marvellous low D instead of a low C (Salminen sings low C)
Riparotondo 2 years ago
I bought an electronic pitch pipe because I was criticized for being off on my low notes. But the D it produces is two octaves above low D. My pitch discrimination isn't good enough to be accurate. Someone else had written that it was an E. I accepted that judgement.
I went to the piano in the living room again. It sounds like an E to me not a D. But my ear isn't very good and it's a long way to hold a pitch in my head.
I'm sure someone with absolute pitch will comment.
Agorante 2 years ago
This is a Low E (E2) a great one :P
not a D or C.
dandefikon 2 years ago
And Salminen does not low C, but the low D (same as Tadeo), which is correct.
hugodraslik 2 years ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@bodiloto Tiens,tiens...Toi non plus,tu ne connais le Grand,,,le grand...Le grand qui déjà???...
abracadabranque 8 months ago
@abracadabranque che cosa vuoi che dico amico mio,quando qua canta Ghiaurov e i giovani parlano ...di Salaminen... un abbraccio fraterno !
bodiloto 8 months ago
@bodiloto Je t'embrasse aussi,et je préfère le salami!
abracadabranque 8 months ago
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bodiloto 8 months ago
@bodiloto Encore sur le pont?
abracadabranque 8 months ago
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bodiloto 8 months ago
@Riparotondo chi e Salminen?
ranigema 9 months ago
@ranigema Ouahahahahaha!!!!!
abracadabranque 8 months ago 2
@abracadabranque tu ridi caro e hai ragione di ridere...il mondo della lirica ha cambiato molto negli ultimi anni.
ma davvero chi é questo Salminen?!?
come si può parlare di Ghiaurov e di Salminen?!?!?
la stessa cosa se parliamo di De Angelis e Ruggero Raimondi...
che mondo ignorante!
ranigema 8 months ago
@ranigema Quelle chance as-tu de ne pas connaître cette voix lourde et inconsistante à la fois!Tu ne perds rien;épargne tes oreilles,elles seront mieux employées ailleurs!
Amitiés.
Mitia.
abracadabranque 8 months ago
@abracadabranque sei molto carino!
ciao!
ranigema 8 months ago
@ranigema Toujours avec les personnes de coeur et d'esprit!
Ciao!
abracadabranque 8 months ago
This is you?
It sounds a helluva a lot like Ghiaurov, and it looks like him too.
If that is you, you are astounding.
wotan3000 2 years ago
No, no, no - this is Ghiaurov. He is astounding. I have ocassionally been interesting or amusing. But I could never sing like this. That doesn't bother me much because no one else could either.
Agorante 2 years ago
Okay, well in that case - thank you for posting this. I have never heard him sing low notes so well.
This sounds like it is early Ghiaurov before a lot of the size and edge left the voice.
What year is this from?
wotan3000 2 years ago
I believe it is Paris 1978
Agorante 2 years ago
Sensational. Absolutely gorgeous.
Klytemnest 3 years ago
I mean low E ah!
Aleksei5 3 years ago
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Well look at that, a low D from Ghiaurov, i had no idea he had it in him! I'm quite blown away
Aleksei5 3 years ago
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