BMW E36 M3 241RWHP Stromung exhaust + Shrick cams DYNOJET

[TheWilgax]

Very good sound you have there!Wonder what type of exhaust do u have on it if you could tell me!

[GTfreak88]

i feel sorry for you americans, we never sold u the real m3.

which has the s50 engine.

[crf150yo]

@GTfreak88 thanks, but its okay cause we have bigger dicks then you.

[MetalicB0x]

@BMWpower4me

my e36 328is 99' makes 240' i love it to:D

she pulls on the freeway

[MetalicB0x]

@BMWpower4me

alll you need is basicly an m50 mani swap, cai, exhaust, software and that should hardly run you 1k,

i got more goodies tho:D

[crf150yo]

@MetalicB0x hardly $1000; are you on crack? exhaust and software will run you $1,200 at the least. a good cai like Afe is about $450 and the m50 mani can be found for about $300 in good shape. so already were barely at $2,000 and not to mention thatll get you about 220 to the wheels. the reason this guy broke 240 is the cams.

[MetalicB0x]

@crf150yo I have an s52 built with all these things, so no I'm not on crack:D the M50 with all the conversion bits was no more than $200 (the manifold itself is $80 in perfect condition) SI software was $300. I got my SS exhaust for $300 (supersale). CAI heat shield for $30, intake cone for $35 with coupler. and thats all under 1000. check my videos if you want to see it. proved your wrong bud:D! and I don't have cams those are expensive to buy/install. everything i mentioned isn't. Peace

[crf150yo]

@MetalicB0x ok so now were talking used parts? im not talking about craigslist shit. im talking about higher end parts. not walking in to autozone, buying a coupler and a cone filter, and strapping it on. wtf dude you didnt win shit...if anything now i think less of your car cause i know it was just built poorly and with a bunch of beat parts.

[KOVROL]

canada only has 45pcs 286hp E36 3.0 Euro M3...the rest E36 M3 is 240HP US spec.....in Europe(especially in Hungary) hard to get accessory for Euro E36 M3, if something jams you have to pay nearly an another E36 euro M3 cost for the repair.....so sometimes i think that US specs is also good, because of the shorter diff. they accelerates a lil bit slower up to 100mph....then an euro M3 goes away....but is it worths a cost of an another car when if an euro M3 jams?....just think about it...

[JStrindenholm]

The EURO M3 are so much more then a tiny little "girl" M3 (US). The sound, power line, handling, everything are so much better! Worth eveything, trust me.

[KOVROL]

have you ever driven them? because i had both...0-100 is nearly the same, the difference is in 4th gear from 150-160kmh....now i have the US one in europe. It is a little bit tuned up to 280hp, 0-100 is faster then the 321hp euro because of the sorter diff. The euro 321 only goes away from me after 220kmh. And all of that, my 280hp US spec is more reliably as the 321hp which costs a lot to repair it usually.

[JStrindenholm]

I have a tuned M3 E36 Coupe. It were standard from the begin but not now anymore.. I give my long finger to the 3,2 M3, both E36 and E46. ;) I have drive a US 3,2 witch schirck cams, FULL supersprint exhaus, carbon fiber intake and speciell made "chip" in dyno. That car goes like the M3 E46 up to 210, then the E46 goes away. I´ve seen them both in my mirror. ;) The US are more a car to playing with the torque, I think anyway. The Euro are funnier on higher RPM and track. =)

[KOVROL]

yes, but only at higher rpm and over 200kmh....under 200kmh my US type is faster and more comfortable to use in the weekdays, the euro m3 only better in track and top speed....and my opinion is that it earned its money when it was max 5-6years old, the 321hp m3s which you can buy nowdays had more then 2-300km in the clock and you have to spend a lot of money when they had motorical problems...original bmw parts costs a lot, the only way when you buy an another for the UK for its components.

[JStrindenholm]

Mm, but i think my is perfekt on the weekdays to, not bumpy and thinks like that. I´ve got speed"holder" on this one to. It has rolling 13 700 mile. The Vanos is silent, everything is Perfekt. Sonderlack and all that. You CANT find any "rost" corrision, all nuts, even under the carThe car is like new and it smells new in the car to.(-93) I will never sell it. I do all work ECXEPT the service. Big service this year, small service next year, next year after that the big and all over. HappyXmas=)

[mercedesdoctor]

@KOVROL What you are saying is opinion not fact. Referenced from Bentleys 3 Series enthusiasts companion; *Euro 3.0* 0-60= 5.6, 0-100=13.5. *US 3.0* 0-60=6.4, 0-100=16.0. *Euro 3.2* 0-60=5.3, 0-100=12.0. *US 3.2* 0-60=5.9, 0-100=15.5 (US 3.2 LTW 0-60=5.3 0-100=14.0). So even the 3.0 euro is faster to 100kmh than the ltw 3.2 north american car.

Euro spec car is faster in the low end, high end, cornering and braking.

[KOVROL]

@mercedesdoctor are you beilve to this numbers? :) S52 usa 3.2 15,5 to 100mph? lol thats joke, search for 400m drag, you will see that USA 3.2 S52 (stock) do it in around 14.1-14.2 sec and makes around 98-100mph......I belive in only that i have drivern before...as I said I had both of these cars....

[mercedesdoctor]

@KOVROL Right you have driven them, so you took your seat of the pants dyno and figured that was a good comparison. I've never personally owned a american m3, but I own a euro 3.0 and have driven many north american 3.0 & 3.2's and my opinion from driving them both is that the euro 3.0 makes them both feel like a 328.  But of course that is only my opinion. I'll believe the highly respected writers of bentley manuals before some internet jockey running his mouth about what his opinion is.

[mercedesdoctor]

@KOVROL ..and if your numbers are right they are still lower than that of a euro. So whats the point you are trying to make?

[oneshotcon]

@mercedesdoctor I agree with you on the fact that out of the box, the double vanos S50B32 provides a better torque curve from the bottom to the top. However, the US and Euro M3s have the same handling characteristics, dont try to stuff "faster cornering and braking" into that argument. The US S50 and 52s are the more preferable powerplant for forced induction fyi. The vanos units serve no purpose in the high end and inevitably break. ICS performance's 1025hp 1995 M3 uses a built, US S50.

[mercedesdoctor]

@oneshotcon 3.2 euro has m5 brakes, therefore better braking. Both (b30&b32) euros have a slightly stiffer and lower spring rate. Therefore better handling. Parts are interchangable however, therefore aftermarket part #'s are the same.

When did I argue about performance potential??? I don't understand what you are trying to argue.

[oneshotcon]

@KOVROL Don't look at factory specs mate. The US S50B32 and S52B32 are more easily tuned and boosted. If you want a 400-1000+hp M3, you will want to work with the US models. You get the same volumetric capacity obviously, and a stronger engine with thicker valve stems without the headaches of the vanos unit. So, don't believe the hype, the US M is a more preferable track machine.

[tornaciokan]

a have the 3.0 286hp and i have driven it for more than 80.000 km and never had a problem with the engine and i drive like a mad man when the oil is on tempeture what i am trying to say is that the euro m3 engines are a master peace!!!

[Rede36m3]

Ya I wish the us would let the Euro motor in :(

[mrhemp3985]

the us spec motor is a real shame. I bought a S52 99' 240HP motor for my e30 m3. Its going to cost an arm and a leg to get over 300HP. oh well, europe gets all the best stuff. The euro motor is so damn expensive to buy, if you are even lucky to find one in the us

[Dizzles]

wats the difference between the us spec and the euro spec? i know there's a difference between the power but how do i find out which is which? is easy to see or do i have to drive it to find out for myself? cause like im lookin into getting an M3

[santacrus]

buy the m3 3.2 evo with 321bhp. in europe we can get almost the same (230bhp) out of the 325 model with similar mods.

[pene3333]

this is not 241bhp, this is 241rwhp, so around 290 o 300bhp. can you still get that out of the 325i?

[stevencprince]

you can pull 300 from a 325 with enough money...

intake, throttle body, cams, coilpacks, plugs, larger injectors, headers, high-flow cats, exhaust, pullies, ubergrounds, chip. you will also need to change all your internals, and of course suspension, drivetrain, braking to be able to handle it.

[cetrero23]

i did all what you mention to my US M3, so what numbers do you think i would be getting?

[stevencprince]

well, if it was done right, you should be around 300WHP (power at the wheels)...

All those items I listed add gains, even if slight, but all together they will have synergistic characteristics (they will play off eachother). example, intake may give you 3hp, exhaust may give you 6, but put the two together and you are going to see more than 9hp gain, more like 12hp. If you go through that list and conservatively guess what each part gives you, then add a substantial amount for the...

[stevencprince]

...entirety of the the system, you should be looking at a HUGE gain :D

Another thing you can do to get even more power N/A in an U.S spec e36 is try and find a Euro Spec M3 Plenum and Individual Throttle Bodies, these will let give ALL your cylinders the air they need at any given time.

If you have done everything previously listed... +125ish HP over stock, which would put you over the 300 mark. Keep in mind I do not know the specifics of your mods or your car, it could be more or less....

[stevencprince]

cetrero, I'm sorry, i didn't realize you started with an m3 engine.... you are DEFINITELY over 300hp if you did all that, and did it right.

[cetrero23]

thanks for your advices Steve, before doing this proyect i read, and checked a lot of forums and internet, right now i am in Europe, so it is easy to get the multi TB, but i called Tuner, and VAC, they told me if i do the swap i will gain only 2 o 3 hp, actually i wanna do it but I'll need a proper chip, and i dont know where to get it, any ideas?

[cetrero23]

yes i spent some money over there, i think it was cheaper to get the eruo version, ( here in Lima we have both Specs mine US was 14K, german is 18K) i saw one euro 3,0L for 14,5K

but at that time i bought my M3, i didnt know differences in between

[cetrero23]

what is ubergrounds,?

[blackXSpr]

Get an M3 you wont regret it...

Euro version had different cylinder head, manifold, headers, individual throttly bodies, floating brake rotors amongst much else.

Euro version made much more top end power, but the US had more grunt from the get-go with low end torque. If you live in the US, get the US M3, its not that big of a difference if you drive em back to back. If you live elsewhere including canada, you would be dumb to not get the euro m3

[saweet999]

so are all canadian e36 m3 same to the euro ones?

[blackXSpr]

Yes, only the US M3s had the different engines; though Canadian models were spec'd a little different than Euro models but they had the same engine and most basic components.

[saweet999]

im surprised at this, i thought the evo model was the only one with the VANOS similar to the euro. when i ask pple here in canada how much hp does ure e36 m3 has they always say 240hp not 320 like in the euro.

[blackXSpr]

Well yes.... pre-96 M3s all had around 240hp; and all 96+ m3s are "evos" with the 321hp engine; whcih was imported to Canada. Its just, the US got stuck with the 240hp motor even AFTER 1996. Ask people what a 96+ m3 is producing and they should say 321.

[saweet999]

kool man, now im definatly thinking about an e36 m3

[coolice99]

canada doesnt have euro m3

same as the us m3

240hp

[blackXSpr]

Not all canada models are euros but they did get a batch of about 500 with the euro engines.

[BARsrule2]

I think it was much less, around 50 models.

[coolguyndc]

we have 45 euro m3 canadian edition in the canada.

[chucknips]

sounds like this guy needs a custom tune, with 24lb injectors and 3.5 hfm at least, ltw pullies hurt the harmonic damper, but do help by about 6 bhp. ltw flywheel is always a good idea, and maybe just to top it all off with an upgraded lsd, and proper oil cooling. still impressive whp numbers.

[importracer18]

how much money did u out into ur e36 cuz i have one adn i want to do some stuff to if but idk wat yet

[djgenius10]

That's very hard to answer, mate. It depends what car you have, 316i or M3 :D And how big do you want to MOD. But to upgrade M3 like this one to get 241RWHP:

SHRICK CAMS - $1400.

STROMUNG EXHAUST - $625.

CHIP - $250.

Air Intake - 350$.

And so on... You can add SS MidPipes, SS exhaust headers, Ford 24lbs injectors and so on :)

[Sultinys]

too less BHP for an M3

[djgenius10]

It is an US M3, not an EURO EVO :)

[Sultinys]

i see

but schrick cams had to increase bhp

usa stock m3 has 240

[djgenius10]

and it's Rear Wheel HP, not Crankshaft HP. It would be something 270HP on the crank.

[Sultinys]

i see

but still could be better

my 2.5 after conversion to 2.8 has gained 246 HP at the wheels with Cat cams and bigger injectors

I think you need a proper chip

[djgenius10]

That is not my car:) And if it was my car, yes, I would custom tune it:) After LW flywheel and pulleys:)

[Messerschimidt]

good sound.