I know this is like... over a year late... BUT. I think linking to the crazy ass video in the info box and having the finches talk in the actual youtube video (as opposed to a separate mp3) is a really good idea!!!
im late in this but whatever you guess do will be right and funny you probably know this already but you guys are only a short time from blowing up just keep the energy and wisdom as well as a tremendous sense of humor i guess i really just want to say thanx
I know this is about six months behind schedule, but I can't very well respond to a video until which time I have seen them. So I don't know if it will make any difference, but... please don't sell your souls to the YouTube devil. You're doing great stuff and I'd hate to see it watered down.
I say "keep on finching"! After all, if fundy fucktards can get on here, say batshit crazy things and play fast and loose with the truth, there should be something there to counterbalance it.
I'm glad others here agree with me. You shouldn't let yourself be bullied by Youtube. Stand up for yourself - you wont be standing alone. We're in this together. All of us.
Ultimately, youtube -=IS=- at the mercy of the users. Without the users, there is no youtube. If we unite, we can call the shots. Dont be afraid to face them. I really hope this message gets hammered home... you're doing such incredibly good work - we absolutely LOVE the MST3K style!!!
While different kinds of content would be interesting, some informative videos and such, as well as the interview videos, I still think that to some extent the "Finching" of whacked out stuff is still worth doing, though perhaps not quite as much if Youtube gets all sniffy about it.
Still, I would say that the copyright issue is only in the mind of paranoid lawyers, since Finching would qualify as satire.
So far as I can tell, and keep in mind of course I am not a lawyer, blah blah blah.. the word from youtube is BULLSHIT. They're trying to run screaming away from controversial content. Making fun of lunatic videos makes them nervous, they want a bland, uncontroversial site.
I fear that partnering with youtube can be akin to making a deal with the devil. I'm all about you guys trying to get some extra cash, fine, do what you can, but.. I've seen what can come from partnering with youtube. I've seen, for example, requests that all videos be kept shorter than 5 minutes because they assume that all of their audience are so attention span challenged that a ten minute video would make people tune out.
And the truth is the interview videos haven't amused me as much. The banana one did, but after that I kind of tuned out from them. It's always been the MST3K style videos that tickled my funny bone.
If you're heading in a different direction, if it brings you more fame and/or money, then, well.. do what you have to. I may tune out, but (and this isn't sarcasm) that's no big deal, you don't have to court the minority if you have a bigger audience awaiting.
I'll agree with KaseyAkira. Though if that sounds like too much work, you might consider uploading your finching videos to DailyMotion (or another video sharing site) instead of YouTube.
Link yourselves up with Thunderf00t and The League of Reason. Continue doing what you're doing - you are NOT breaking copyright law.
If youtube does anything your video or takes it down, we'll have another Youtube vs The Users and mirror the offending video 1,000+ times. You are not breaking any rules, and should NOT let big-corporate-bullshit intimidate you in the least.
I think you could leverage the "flat earth guy" concept: personify a creationist video with a character, making your argument at your own pace and structure. Perhaps inter-splicing clips from the original video (can you still do that?).
I agree with the angry video game nerd idea. Make taster videos that link to the vids shown in full on far better though less popular video websites. If YT wants to screw over anything interesting then that's their problem, people will slowly realise just what they're missing as other websites grow in popularity.
I'll support you in whatever way you find you are able to keep promoting rational thought.
But I would say you need to keep uploading the video commentary videos..they are hilarious, informative and much needed in a world filled with people who express neither such qualities.
I would be absolutely willing to link to a darwin finches website in order to watch the content that is "too hot for youtube" (the fucking pricks!) But please maintain a youtube presence... it is much needed!
I would say, if you were able too, do both. Link the finched videos from your website, maybe having trailers or something here like the Angry Video Game Nerd dose (his videos were wrongfully taken down for similar reasons) and then post the other interviews, comedy scits and science stuff here.
If you have the workforce, I would say do both. If you're fairly limited in people to do work, maybe focus on YouTube for a bit longer until you have the fan base to break away.
0:50 could you be more specific than "kosher"? The finching videos fall well under fair use imo. Probably just some retard creationist flagging your videos.
I believe you can use the visuals of other videos for the purposes of parody. Perhaps there is a limit tp how much you can use. In which case you could use small segments from a series of creationists nut-jobber vids
If you have not already perhaps contact dprjones about what you are actually legally permitted to do on youtube as well as the steps you can take to calm down the over-caffeinated YouTube legal department.
You've never broken any copyright laws. The contents the YouTube users upload is according to YouTube's own rules free for anyone to use. And then I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of Fair Use - something your usage of other peoples content falls under. You criticise idiots - that's a right you have, protected under international law.
I've talked about the finching sites to a number of friends, and told them it's like MST3K but for creationist humor.
I really don't see how you're violating copyright. It's clearly parody and parody is protected. I think that those who disagree with you are flagging your videos and the powers at YT simply don't have time to go through every single video to verify the content.
If the video is posted onto youtube, it is fair use to use them in the fashion that you have. You are not breaking DMCA rules, unless those people have quit and left youtube.
look up dprjones and thunderfoot for more specific questions on what is and is not illegal.
I'd like the environment to change to the Finches evolutionary advantage! I can see nothing wrong with what you do, loads of people do it in some form, you do it in a way that is very funny and cutting. Is that what they don't like?
I'm not a legal eagle so I don't know much of the law around this but to me there seems nothing wrong with what you do - keep going and...evolving. Can you get some kind of definitive statement from You Tube about their view of what constitutes fair use? AAAAGGGGGH
Youtube is the most popular video site on a global scale. If you wany your message to get across to as much of an audience you can get, here is where you should stay and "evolve" to it's requirments. Having ones personal site is a good idea for extra material but the best way to promote your site is through here. So, in my humble oppinion, here is where you should invest most of your efforts and energy and the site being a second priority until it has become popular enough.
Lawyers don't implode over policy. I assume it's both policy and copyright law. It is illegal to use other peoples copyrighted material. Fair Use is a defense not a law. It's easy to prove copyright infringement but it's difficult to prove fair use especially when you are earning money while using material you don't own. Seems to me what they do would fall under fair use but if YouTube is writing checks for it their lawyers won't let them skirt the line. But I'm no lawyer. Just my 2 cents.
I am no lawyer but what you do should fall under the comment and criticism clause making you exempt. But when has legality ever stood in creationist/ expanding earther's way? Keep finching.
Guys, just do what you all do, it's fucking funny as hell and as we've seen before in "VenomfangX apologizes to the internets" Fair Use should cover you all.
If YouTube has an issue with the content you're putting out, host any videos they might object to off-site; then whenever you come out with new content you can put up a 5 second YouTube video linking to it in order to get the attention of your subscribers. This is a fantastically entertaining channel so I'd hate to see you bullied into watering down your content one iota.
Generally speaking, if you're making money, it is a bad idea to take other people's content. This is why MST3K never touched modern films. So I would say just do whatever you want as long as you're not making actual money. The moment any real dollars enter the picture, you're on shaky copyright grounds.
But then again, I'm no lawyer, so what the hell do I know? :)
That's bullshit. Your videos that "finch" other videos, even those that are under copyright, count as "commentary and criticism" and therefore are FIRMLY under the umbrella of Fair Use. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just lazy or trying to censor you. I say you should keep on finching, do so on youtube, often, and very brazenly. Someone will try to censor you and you can strike them down with legal force behind you.
Keep finching, I say. Its funnier, to be frank. Shouldn't it already count as things like parody, non-profit and occasionally educational, anyways?
That said, the audio tracks also works, if you want to go the legal way. Everything I hear about Youtube seems to suggest its like a fucking hydra anyways, with a thousand heads each saying different things based on the perceptions of that person, you got one crappy one talking to you.
All of your work has been brilliant, but the Finching bits are the best. If it is possible to continue to produce such content (YES, PRODUCE YOUTUBE) that would be well loved.
Naturally, we do not ask you to put yourselves in any legal jeopardy or to become victims to false DMCA claims. Do what works for you, you'll still have fans!
A clarification: we are planning on continuing to do FINCHING videos, just probably hosted elsewhere, and we would host only our exclusively created stuff on youtube. If we made them a simultaneously opened page with an audio track it would actually mean we could probably produce them a lot faster, and i could spend my time animating the other stuff. --Wallace.
I would suggest to continue doing what you are doing, and forget the partnership. Otherwise, you could start a new channel without copyright material and go for partner there, and continue riffing things here.
You should keep doing the finching videos as well as the ones from scratch.
1. Provide a link to the video you're finching, tell us to pause that video right when it loads, then count down to zero (out loud) for when we start it, at which point your commentary starts. (maybe have an animated version of the finched video in yours so that you can keep doing the animation, if you want to)
OR
2. Link to youtubedoubler or some such site. It's offsite, but helps with the syncing of the videos.
The finched videos got under fair use as they are both criticism and satire of the original footage used. You should not have problems with doing the Finched videos.
I seem to recall hearing that user-made videos are not copyrighted, although professionally-done videos may be. Kent Hovind's videos are not copyrighted, so they should be open to a good Finching, as well as the other creationist YouTube users' videos. That should let you keep the same style of humor and still be completely legal. Just go after videos that aren't copyrighted.
a great idea would be to completely manufacture the videos that you are "finching" something along the lines of "non stamp collector" videos (search the name)
instead of actually watching the clips of creationists in a MST3000 style, just make videos for your guys to make fun of, with direct quotes from insane creationists (even quote the crazy stuff so we know who to truly laugh at)
That's bull shit. Your videos are criticism/parody's! It's actually covered under fair use. The fact that youtube is so scared getting their asses sued is just sad. Do they not watch the videos and look for themselves, or do those bastards just give in to the whim on some jack off saying "Iz viowashun of copeerit".
Consult a lawyer. If your videos haven't been taken down due to copyright yada yada and youtube is well aware of them, then why change them? I mean continue to expand your creativity to other things, but I personally like the way you were making videos.
The actual simultanity of you guys being in a video finching it is one thing, but the strength lies in your sense of humour. Sometimes a creationvideo won't have anything to joke about for an extended period of time. You can paraphrase the aruguments and have cartoon's spout them much more efficiently.
You could become a partner and upload the finched videos to dailymotion or some other site and post them on your website. If you guys don't have a twitter account, then one of those is definitely essential for keeping people updated. I freakin love your finched videos, but see why you'd want to expand to other things and I'd love to see what else you come up with.
For the time being, and the options you gave, I doubt the Finches could survive off of YouTube (just because you seem to have not been spread around enough to support it just yet, in the future definitely). As it is, I did enjoy the "Lyell and the Flat Earther", not as much as your finching videos, but it was still great.
The environment is changing, and I think the only Darwinian thing you can do is to adapt. When your viewer base rises, we can always regrow the vestigial appendage!
no, you fall under the fair use clause of Commentary, criticism, and satire... they cannot take down your videos and youtube can't do anything legally about it. bring em down finches, bring em down.
I absolutely love the commentarys you guys do on silly creationist videos. I would go to your website and download stuff like that if you were unable to continue to do that on youtube.
Well, I was a huge fan of MST3K. Having said that.. I think you guys actually do a better job. Not a put down to mike and the boys but, I would personally miss the finching vids.
Really, youtubes bitchfits about commontating on videos is BS. It falls under critisim, so it's legal. Youtube don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
That being said, braudaning an audiance and making a wider variaty of videos is never bad! And if all ellse fails, go to blip TV and make trailers for youtube.
i i like the videos where you sit and make fun of the other videos. but if it will get you into trouble i would be happy to see the other options play out. it would be better to see you guys make videos which i find slightly less funny then to have you kicked off youtube all together.
i suggest to go to another video blogging site and see if thier TOS is the same as youtube, and then if it's radically different go and do videos there, and do what the AVGN does and link previews
Also those crazies can go to thier biblical hell and rot in there for LYING
I had an issue with that as well but apparently it's against policy to download videos from YouTube for any reason in the terms of service agreement. :-/ Got one of my videos removed and found that out later.
I know this is like... over a year late... BUT. I think linking to the crazy ass video in the info box and having the finches talk in the actual youtube video (as opposed to a separate mp3) is a really good idea!!!
H3rrH3rz 11 months ago
both, that is all
luccaskunk 1 year ago
im late in this but whatever you guess do will be right and funny you probably know this already but you guys are only a short time from blowing up just keep the energy and wisdom as well as a tremendous sense of humor i guess i really just want to say thanx
jasrogg 1 year ago
I know this is about six months behind schedule, but I can't very well respond to a video until which time I have seen them. So I don't know if it will make any difference, but... please don't sell your souls to the YouTube devil. You're doing great stuff and I'd hate to see it watered down.
M0US3P0T4TO 1 year ago
Dont let your videos evolve into something else. Finch it up!!!!!!
party489 1 year ago
Keep it up!
Fabsun 1 year ago
You are the new mst3k gang! go and keep finching and show it to the creatards!
t3rr411 2 years ago
Don't back down! Keep Finching!!!!
thesweetmolasses 2 years ago
I say "keep on finching"! After all, if fundy fucktards can get on here, say batshit crazy things and play fast and loose with the truth, there should be something there to counterbalance it.
SuperImready 2 years ago
I'm glad others here agree with me. You shouldn't let yourself be bullied by Youtube. Stand up for yourself - you wont be standing alone. We're in this together. All of us.
Ultimately, youtube -=IS=- at the mercy of the users. Without the users, there is no youtube. If we unite, we can call the shots. Dont be afraid to face them. I really hope this message gets hammered home... you're doing such incredibly good work - we absolutely LOVE the MST3K style!!!
KaseyAkira 2 years ago 7
While different kinds of content would be interesting, some informative videos and such, as well as the interview videos, I still think that to some extent the "Finching" of whacked out stuff is still worth doing, though perhaps not quite as much if Youtube gets all sniffy about it.
Still, I would say that the copyright issue is only in the mind of paranoid lawyers, since Finching would qualify as satire.
But whatever you guys decide, good luck!
BiggusRobbicus 2 years ago
So far as I can tell, and keep in mind of course I am not a lawyer, blah blah blah.. the word from youtube is BULLSHIT. They're trying to run screaming away from controversial content. Making fun of lunatic videos makes them nervous, they want a bland, uncontroversial site.
NomadSoul76 2 years ago
I fear that partnering with youtube can be akin to making a deal with the devil. I'm all about you guys trying to get some extra cash, fine, do what you can, but.. I've seen what can come from partnering with youtube. I've seen, for example, requests that all videos be kept shorter than 5 minutes because they assume that all of their audience are so attention span challenged that a ten minute video would make people tune out.
NomadSoul76 2 years ago
And the truth is the interview videos haven't amused me as much. The banana one did, but after that I kind of tuned out from them. It's always been the MST3K style videos that tickled my funny bone.
If you're heading in a different direction, if it brings you more fame and/or money, then, well.. do what you have to. I may tune out, but (and this isn't sarcasm) that's no big deal, you don't have to court the minority if you have a bigger audience awaiting.
NomadSoul76 2 years ago
I'll agree with KaseyAkira. Though if that sounds like too much work, you might consider uploading your finching videos to DailyMotion (or another video sharing site) instead of YouTube.
SirMayhem 2 years ago
Noooooo! The interviews suck!
rocinante821 2 years ago
Link yourselves up with Thunderf00t and The League of Reason. Continue doing what you're doing - you are NOT breaking copyright law.
If youtube does anything your video or takes it down, we'll have another Youtube vs The Users and mirror the offending video 1,000+ times. You are not breaking any rules, and should NOT let big-corporate-bullshit intimidate you in the least.
KaseyAkira 2 years ago 3
@KaseyAkira
THIS. Exactly this.
Selectedmarksman 2 years ago
I think you could leverage the "flat earth guy" concept: personify a creationist video with a character, making your argument at your own pace and structure. Perhaps inter-splicing clips from the original video (can you still do that?).
Nucklechose 2 years ago
I agree with the angry video game nerd idea. Make taster videos that link to the vids shown in full on far better though less popular video websites. If YT wants to screw over anything interesting then that's their problem, people will slowly realise just what they're missing as other websites grow in popularity.
BobTKaye 2 years ago
Keep finching videos. If youtube bans you just use your own suggestion @2:10
GrandSupremeDaddyo 2 years ago
Take the 'flat earth' format. Just re-make the video you're commenting on and viola, the whole thing is 100% yours.
BaileysBeads 2 years ago
I'm behind any decision you guys make.
SovietTrall 2 years ago
I'll support you in whatever way you find you are able to keep promoting rational thought.
But I would say you need to keep uploading the video commentary videos..they are hilarious, informative and much needed in a world filled with people who express neither such qualities.
I would be absolutely willing to link to a darwin finches website in order to watch the content that is "too hot for youtube" (the fucking pricks!) But please maintain a youtube presence... it is much needed!
WRAYDAY 2 years ago
I would say, if you were able too, do both. Link the finched videos from your website, maybe having trailers or something here like the Angry Video Game Nerd dose (his videos were wrongfully taken down for similar reasons) and then post the other interviews, comedy scits and science stuff here.
Disthron 2 years ago
If you have the workforce, I would say do both. If you're fairly limited in people to do work, maybe focus on YouTube for a bit longer until you have the fan base to break away.
netmystique 2 years ago
I trust you to be awesome. Do what you will.
both is good.
DonQuixotedeKaw 2 years ago
dude the finches are awswem what ever they do will be great
backspace1904 2 years ago
FUCK YOUTUBE!! wait a minute ......
Theedyy 2 years ago
0:50 could you be more specific than "kosher"? The finching videos fall well under fair use imo. Probably just some retard creationist flagging your videos.
anthonzi 2 years ago
Both sound good. I just want more finches content ;-)
del3226 2 years ago
Just go on freespeechvids...
101194z4life 2 years ago
Dang YouTube Nazis. GO FINCHES!!
AllMixedUp312 2 years ago 3
I thought that the finching of videos would qualify as "fair use". You are after all critiquing which is protected speech.
Anyway, don't stop finching stuff.
AburKadabur 2 years ago 3
Keep what you're doing.
sammywilloe 2 years ago
Contact Dprjones :)
R3APER24 2 years ago 8
@R3APER24 What he said^^^
jaywolfe82 2 years ago
I believe you can use the visuals of other videos for the purposes of parody. Perhaps there is a limit tp how much you can use. In which case you could use small segments from a series of creationists nut-jobber vids
If you have not already perhaps contact dprjones about what you are actually legally permitted to do on youtube as well as the steps you can take to calm down the over-caffeinated YouTube legal department.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
The first option. You could also possibly rework the visuals of the videos you finch, maybe even the audio.
CaMaster 2 years ago
I say do both :D
Finches for the win.
patrick888881 2 years ago
You've never broken any copyright laws. The contents the YouTube users upload is according to YouTube's own rules free for anyone to use. And then I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of Fair Use - something your usage of other peoples content falls under. You criticise idiots - that's a right you have, protected under international law.
Athaeus 2 years ago
I've talked about the finching sites to a number of friends, and told them it's like MST3K but for creationist humor.
I really don't see how you're violating copyright. It's clearly parody and parody is protected. I think that those who disagree with you are flagging your videos and the powers at YT simply don't have time to go through every single video to verify the content.
I say get creative and keep on finching!
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
If the video is posted onto youtube, it is fair use to use them in the fashion that you have. You are not breaking DMCA rules, unless those people have quit and left youtube.
look up dprjones and thunderfoot for more specific questions on what is and is not illegal.
They have been through it all.
diraska 2 years ago
whats being copyrighted??? the videos? cause its fair use to use other videos!
KEEP FINCHING!!!
elphiegreen 2 years ago 2
I'd like the environment to change to the Finches evolutionary advantage! I can see nothing wrong with what you do, loads of people do it in some form, you do it in a way that is very funny and cutting. Is that what they don't like?
I'm not a legal eagle so I don't know much of the law around this but to me there seems nothing wrong with what you do - keep going and...evolving. Can you get some kind of definitive statement from You Tube about their view of what constitutes fair use? AAAAGGGGGH
trifelgeputinage 2 years ago
Youtube is the most popular video site on a global scale. If you wany your message to get across to as much of an audience you can get, here is where you should stay and "evolve" to it's requirments. Having ones personal site is a good idea for extra material but the best way to promote your site is through here. So, in my humble oppinion, here is where you should invest most of your efforts and energy and the site being a second priority until it has become popular enough.
Segepop 2 years ago
Finching. Hm. Seems to me you've coined a phrase there, defining what you do. Sure, do some other stuff, too, but finching MUST be your basis.
GoblinXXX 2 years ago
I say keep up with the Finching! ;-)
I hope you will get a shoutout from FFreeThinker one day too. Maybe I will see to that myself ;-)
Akatam0t0ma 2 years ago
Finching is FAIR USE! Tell YouTube to stick it.
Teleprompter4Life 2 years ago 3
I want finching. But if I were the finches I'd broaden. I'd also learn the laws and not break them but come damn close. Good luck.
Im4science 2 years ago
Its not a matter of law, as law entirely allows what they do; rather its a matter of Youtube policy, which is stricter than law.
flamablesteve 2 years ago
Lawyers don't implode over policy. I assume it's both policy and copyright law. It is illegal to use other peoples copyrighted material. Fair Use is a defense not a law. It's easy to prove copyright infringement but it's difficult to prove fair use especially when you are earning money while using material you don't own. Seems to me what they do would fall under fair use but if YouTube is writing checks for it their lawyers won't let them skirt the line. But I'm no lawyer. Just my 2 cents.
Im4science 2 years ago
Except that legaly, nothing posted on Youtube is copyrighted.
flamablesteve 2 years ago
do what you think is right. if you want to be a affiliate of youtube go for it. if not, then don't.
Naobi891 2 years ago
I am no lawyer but what you do should fall under the comment and criticism clause making you exempt. But when has legality ever stood in creationist/ expanding earther's way? Keep finching.
AMordaciousGoat 2 years ago 3
NO DONT STOP THE FINCHING !!!
how is it copyright paroding and criticising other video and tv show and movies are protected
you should be allowed
koolaidman 2 years ago
Guys, just do what you all do, it's fucking funny as hell and as we've seen before in "VenomfangX apologizes to the internets" Fair Use should cover you all.
Zephemus 2 years ago 2
You can use other videos clips for Fair use.. for educational and parody uses...
If they attempt to take them file a counter complaint.. where they will have to prove how it is not fair use.
cookieguy10 2 years ago
I would think that Fair Use would cover most, if not all of what you do.
samsroomie 2 years ago
Boo. More 'Finched' videos and throw the DMCA in their face!
LordLanceJH 2 years ago
If YouTube has an issue with the content you're putting out, host any videos they might object to off-site; then whenever you come out with new content you can put up a 5 second YouTube video linking to it in order to get the attention of your subscribers. This is a fantastically entertaining channel so I'd hate to see you bullied into watering down your content one iota.
iconoclastic23 2 years ago
Finch them!!!!!!!
new8745fan 2 years ago
Finch vids, but try other things as well. Finching is your flagship, I'd say.
dizzythegreat 2 years ago
Finch them. To make them cry!
atomicnumber86 2 years ago
Finch'EM !
jimrbsn 2 years ago
Generally speaking, if you're making money, it is a bad idea to take other people's content. This is why MST3K never touched modern films. So I would say just do whatever you want as long as you're not making actual money. The moment any real dollars enter the picture, you're on shaky copyright grounds.
But then again, I'm no lawyer, so what the hell do I know? :)
AntiCitizenX 2 years ago
Keep finching, there is already a plethora of Youtube users who do science videos.
crackerkiller89 2 years ago
That's bullshit. Your videos that "finch" other videos, even those that are under copyright, count as "commentary and criticism" and therefore are FIRMLY under the umbrella of Fair Use. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just lazy or trying to censor you. I say you should keep on finching, do so on youtube, often, and very brazenly. Someone will try to censor you and you can strike them down with legal force behind you.
LordSlag 2 years ago
Keep finching, I say. Its funnier, to be frank. Shouldn't it already count as things like parody, non-profit and occasionally educational, anyways?
That said, the audio tracks also works, if you want to go the legal way. Everything I hear about Youtube seems to suggest its like a fucking hydra anyways, with a thousand heads each saying different things based on the perceptions of that person, you got one crappy one talking to you.
Keizril 2 years ago
All of your work has been brilliant, but the Finching bits are the best. If it is possible to continue to produce such content (YES, PRODUCE YOUTUBE) that would be well loved.
Naturally, we do not ask you to put yourselves in any legal jeopardy or to become victims to false DMCA claims. Do what works for you, you'll still have fans!
Selectedmarksman 2 years ago
A clarification: we are planning on continuing to do FINCHING videos, just probably hosted elsewhere, and we would host only our exclusively created stuff on youtube. If we made them a simultaneously opened page with an audio track it would actually mean we could probably produce them a lot faster, and i could spend my time animating the other stuff. --Wallace.
thedarwinfinches 2 years ago
:O ???
325982668 2 years ago
I would suggest to continue doing what you are doing, and forget the partnership. Otherwise, you could start a new channel without copyright material and go for partner there, and continue riffing things here.
freedom0f5peech 2 years ago
Tell YouTube to take their censorship and ram it up their pootube
bushputz 2 years ago 2
Well said!
PrinceBishop3 2 years ago
You should keep doing the finching videos as well as the ones from scratch.
1. Provide a link to the video you're finching, tell us to pause that video right when it loads, then count down to zero (out loud) for when we start it, at which point your commentary starts. (maybe have an animated version of the finched video in yours so that you can keep doing the animation, if you want to)
OR
2. Link to youtubedoubler or some such site. It's offsite, but helps with the syncing of the videos.
justrandomIguess157 2 years ago
OR
3. Do the finching videos on your site, and the animated ones on Youtube, but mention in your videos that there are more videos on your site.
justrandomIguess157 2 years ago
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justrandomIguess157 2 years ago
The finched videos got under fair use as they are both criticism and satire of the original footage used. You should not have problems with doing the Finched videos.
nyarlotep 2 years ago
Don't partner with Youtube, preserve status quo. That way pressure won't go up and there will be no problem.
Or, you could agree, then with the revenue you make, fund a site where you upload whatever the hell you want. Depends on how greedy you are, I guess.
himethisisme 2 years ago
Do what TheAmazingAtheist does and post your "Youtube friendly" videos on here while posting your finching vids on your site.
iTzCiRcA 2 years ago
I agree tis would be the best way to go, and you make everyone happy
supersummersalts 2 years ago
I seem to recall hearing that user-made videos are not copyrighted, although professionally-done videos may be. Kent Hovind's videos are not copyrighted, so they should be open to a good Finching, as well as the other creationist YouTube users' videos. That should let you keep the same style of humor and still be completely legal. Just go after videos that aren't copyrighted.
ScientificSkeptic 2 years ago
a great idea would be to completely manufacture the videos that you are "finching" something along the lines of "non stamp collector" videos (search the name)
instead of actually watching the clips of creationists in a MST3000 style, just make videos for your guys to make fun of, with direct quotes from insane creationists (even quote the crazy stuff so we know who to truly laugh at)
abassett22 2 years ago
If you pissed off the uTube lawyer Asholes you are clearly doing the right thing. Thanks for your great work.
TucsonDave111 2 years ago
Keep Finching videos. That is why we subscribed.
Klingschor 2 years ago
That's bull shit. Your videos are criticism/parody's! It's actually covered under fair use. The fact that youtube is so scared getting their asses sued is just sad. Do they not watch the videos and look for themselves, or do those bastards just give in to the whim on some jack off saying "Iz viowashun of copeerit".
alienisuntverus 2 years ago
Invest your time in getting around this. Definitely. The Finching of videos is absolutely classic and should never go away.
SlightlyNotorious 2 years ago
Consult a lawyer. If your videos haven't been taken down due to copyright yada yada and youtube is well aware of them, then why change them? I mean continue to expand your creativity to other things, but I personally like the way you were making videos.
Zaimoren 2 years ago
Do both! Don't break the rules...just bend them. :P
ScienceRulesWithFact 2 years ago
The actual simultanity of you guys being in a video finching it is one thing, but the strength lies in your sense of humour. Sometimes a creationvideo won't have anything to joke about for an extended period of time. You can paraphrase the aruguments and have cartoon's spout them much more efficiently.
jacobromu 2 years ago
more finching!
lugarf 2 years ago 2
You are hilarious, just link to daily motion if you want to do a finching video and keep your other content on here.
soulinite 2 years ago
You could become a partner and upload the finched videos to dailymotion or some other site and post them on your website. If you guys don't have a twitter account, then one of those is definitely essential for keeping people updated. I freakin love your finched videos, but see why you'd want to expand to other things and I'd love to see what else you come up with.
theradioschizo 2 years ago
For the time being, and the options you gave, I doubt the Finches could survive off of YouTube (just because you seem to have not been spread around enough to support it just yet, in the future definitely). As it is, I did enjoy the "Lyell and the Flat Earther", not as much as your finching videos, but it was still great.
The environment is changing, and I think the only Darwinian thing you can do is to adapt. When your viewer base rises, we can always regrow the vestigial appendage!
Cyrathil 2 years ago
Both.
paddy6832 2 years ago
The interview was funny!
TheSupremeSkeptic 2 years ago
Tell YouTube's lawyers two things. Fair use, and fuck you.
Keep making the great videos.
Jacksonstreet71 2 years ago 7
This.
toxickatie 2 years ago
This
WashingMachine0 2 years ago
both
educatedAtheist 2 years ago
no, you fall under the fair use clause of Commentary, criticism, and satire... they cannot take down your videos and youtube can't do anything legally about it. bring em down finches, bring em down.
xdkwallen742 2 years ago
The Finched vids are the best that you do, and I wouldn't have subscribed but for them.
DertBagg 2 years ago
I absolutely love the commentarys you guys do on silly creationist videos. I would go to your website and download stuff like that if you were unable to continue to do that on youtube.
nivardica 2 years ago
Can't finching a video be considered comment and criticism under the DMCA?
biomanwin 2 years ago 2
I am sure it can be considered Fair Use, because it IS.
BohemianBlasphemy 2 years ago 2
So then why are YouTubes lawers having a meltdown?
biomanwin 2 years ago
Use both where appropriate. I know Riff Trax has fan created content. Maybe taking on a movie like Expelled could be fun.
What you do is criticism though. How does that not fall under fair use? Maybe you can find some one more skilled in copyright laws.
Mr500sheetsofpaper 2 years ago 2
Gonna eat you, bird.
BohemianBlasphemy 2 years ago
use blip TV for the finching videos (that's what alot of the big Internet critics have done) and YouTube for everything else.
No reason to start a fight with YouTube...
ryjinannon 2 years ago
Stay with finching vids... or at least link to you finching vids.
generaleskimo 2 years ago 3
Well, I was a huge fan of MST3K. Having said that.. I think you guys actually do a better job. Not a put down to mike and the boys but, I would personally miss the finching vids.
Resurrected06 2 years ago
That is perhaps, the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on the internet. Thank you.
thedarwinfinches 2 years ago
Really, youtubes bitchfits about commontating on videos is BS. It falls under critisim, so it's legal. Youtube don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
That being said, braudaning an audiance and making a wider variaty of videos is never bad! And if all ellse fails, go to blip TV and make trailers for youtube.
Nightmare060 2 years ago
It should fall under fair use nyuu? o-o
DuragonLeMente 2 years ago
Faugh! Youtube has approved several of my own pwnage videos--which, you know, is a lot like finching--for revenue sharing.
In all likelitude, if you ONLY finched other YouTubers, no professional videos, you'd be fine.
BionicDance 2 years ago 2
Yeah, make their lawyers explode! :D
Broadening out is awesome, but.. I do love the Finching of crazy videos. It'll be a sad loss if you go partner and lose that side of your work.
On the other hand, anything I get is splendid.. so whatever makes you happy Wallace!
bewarethelizards42 2 years ago 2
i i like the videos where you sit and make fun of the other videos. but if it will get you into trouble i would be happy to see the other options play out. it would be better to see you guys make videos which i find slightly less funny then to have you kicked off youtube all together.
redcash17 2 years ago
i suggest to go to another video blogging site and see if thier TOS is the same as youtube, and then if it's radically different go and do videos there, and do what the AVGN does and link previews
Also those crazies can go to thier biblical hell and rot in there for LYING
t3rr411 2 years ago
I love your "finched" videos and I would love to see more. Whatever attempts to subvert youtube's ridiculous policies would be worth it.
vicepresidentfru1tly 2 years ago
Be nice to youtube in start, then later destroy it from the inside!!
Mouwahahahaha ^^
Mythification 2 years ago
Broadening out sounds like a good way to go.
flatbunny 2 years ago
Fair use.
Daiblix 2 years ago
Both! You guys are awesome! :-D
themanofearth 2 years ago
Its satire and falls under fair use :3
PinkProgram 2 years ago 6
I had an issue with that as well but apparently it's against policy to download videos from YouTube for any reason in the terms of service agreement. :-/ Got one of my videos removed and found that out later.
themanofearth 2 years ago