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  • the problem with this design is efficiency - most of the power will not be used to create the rotation but to push the plate down - which does only create a momentum proportional to the inclining angle of the plates. more problematic will be cooling and sealing the "chambers": the rotating plate would need some internal cooling........and it will bend under the load. creating a reasonable sealing will be difficult if not impossible. the ignition can not be where the highest compression occurs!

  • one word Friction!

  • And it still has apex seals....lol

  • after viewing this and carfully diagnosing the opperation taking into account load, speed, rotaion and end thrust its a load of shit.

  • If rotary motors were so good? What happened to the Mazda rotary motor?

  • I love your ingenuity,but it wont be any good when the oil drys up,that is were i am at the moment,Friction and heat from combustion will be a major problem,i noticed in this design,you have not showed any liquid cooling,you have not included in/out valves for cooling,that is all that is missing from this,and i don't see any journals for the oil to move around.

  • appreciate the time you took for this

  • How will you cool the rotor ?

  • gee u created a water meter ive got one in my front yard, nothing new idiot

  • pretty cool

  • This would have the same problems as the wankle engine with the "apex" seals wearing too quickly.

  • Torque would be low and you'd wear the tips out very quickly... But, nice to see someone thinking outside the box... or combustion chamber ;)

  • good video! thanks.

    imo the middle disk must be brighter. have u try this as 2 takt motor?

    dont stop thinking sideways;)

  • Wouldn't this have poor efficiency? It looks like most of the force would be pushing the in the up direction rather than the around direction.

  • pppffff what if this will be break it how u can affoce for that replace ???..

  • Non funziona; esattamente dovrebbe funzionare solo se fatto partire ad alto regime di giri, ma comunque, anche se avviato in rotazione, l'angolo di spinta è troppo in perdita e quindi, non funziona.

  • pointless...

    

  • I hope you patented it! Otherwise I might steal it lol!

  • this concept is really interesting

  • 6 power strokes per revolution, idea is from a Wankel engine i presume :)

    Interesting indeed.

  • Good design with no reciprocating parts. You can have combustion on the top and the bottom. Giving twice the power strokes per revolution.

  • @NearAbbeyRoad i dont think so. this would be so inefficient

  • this wont work at all, how would the combustion even happen?

  • @johnnyboyfart -dude...it's a computer generated model, not a real engine. lol that's gross. while typing this comment, my cat threw up right next to me. sigh...

  • It's really nice, but i assume u get kinda much energy loss/low effectivity using this kinda engine.

  • What software did you use for this simulation ?

  • @Spartan117A1

    Thank you for your comment.if you interest it,you can sned email to me! my email: sky-hawk@126.com

  • I think the main problem is that you lose most of the combustion energy as heat around the circumference. Not that your motor wouldn't function but it seems to become warmer than you'd like. Fuel burning as adiabatic process is condemned to a geometry which concentrates, that's exactly why the old Otto engine is so successful. Try to turn it outside in!

  • @TOUSNESP

    Thanks! your opinion is good.if you interest it,you can sned email to me! my email: sky-hawk@126.com

  • rotary cylinder combustion engines are not new.

  • @MillyVanillification

    Thanks! yes,you right! wankel----1957. 

  • this wont work, where would the combustion happen?

  • How is the "crankshaft" attached to the rotating plate?

  • @VentoDriver Hi you see other video that I uploaded, you can understand It. thanks!

  • @VentoDriver I assume it's attached with some type of spline that allows for side-to-side movement

  • EXELENT WORK! with this engine you can economise a lot of fluel!!! Show thi engine to an company car!!!

  • "This's" LOL There is no such word. So now that I know you do not know the English language, you want me to believe you?

  • @ArtisanTony How do you know the contraction this's doesn't exist? It dowes because that guy just invented it.

  • @VALsacount2 LOL, invented? hehe. All you have to do is check the dictionary dude. It doesn't matter anyway I was jk

  • @ArtisanTony "This's=This is" is my English language! maybe you do not like it, but you understand it! thank you very much. else, WHY I want you to believe me? why!

  • @fuhandaigou You're correct. The word "This's" is perfectly good English. And it's not just your English. :) If someone says you're wrong, you're not, they are! ;)

  • @ArtisanTony Before you start to criticize someone else's spelling, maybe you should check your own grammar? Far more devastating errors have been made from grammar mistakes than from spelling mistakes.

  • @BlissfulDissolution blah blah blah fan boy :)

  • @ArtisanTony You know that people who don't speak English can still invent things right?

  • @xraptor10 If you want those with money to invest in your product then you must at least use basic and correct spelling and grammar. Otherwise you will not be taken seriously. This guy obviously doesn't care because this video has been up for 4 years and he will not correct one small spelling mistake so why should anyone care if he doesn't.  I don't give a damn. I am only trying to help him.

  • @ArtisanTony I 100% agree with that, if you are from a nation that speaks English as a native language. Some of the smartest people in the world don't speak English at all.

  • @ArtisanTony ; This is something scientific. Language should not be a concern. Just fuck off.

  • @vjykmr44 bite me troll

  • wow. a engine with only one moving part. beautiful.

  • Rotary engines have been around for a long time. You are not the sole designer. Legally speaking you could claim new and improved version of the old rotary engines.

  • Too much friction.

  • what if the central plate was static and the hemispheres rotated?

    that would give you more flywheel mass and fewer places to install bearings.

    or

    what the hemispheres rotated without wobberling and the only the plate wobbled?

    That would give you a third point to extract energy for the pumps, etc.

  • @kwg06516 I think you study it more carfully! thanks! if you interest it. I  designed it for small or micro-internal combustion engine with high speed, high power.Maybe it can be used pump!

  • @fuhandaigou HOW EFFECIENT, FUEL USAGE TO TORQUE OUTPUT? GOOD WORK. HOW MUCH COMBUSTION-CHAMBER PRESSURE WITH SEALING ISSUES; CHALLENGING HUH? STAY WITH IT AND HOLLER AT ME IF YOU'RE TRYING TOO BETTER THE WORLD. FACEBOOK Thomas Hayley LIVE IN LINDALE,TX FROM TYLER,TX.

  • I thought of this too like 3 months ago, thats freaky, mines just a little different and it uses fluid dynamics better. Nice Cad though.

  • the surface area of the "piston" would be more y than x, and x is what you want, you want sure x to get it moving and minimize waste of energy. it would work somewhat but not the greatest idea or i guess alternative.

  • i dont know...but, its pretty cool

  • apex seals would wear like in the mazda RX7 and RX8 engine

  • kick ass thinking out side the box but alot of strain during ignition

  • wouldnt work very efficiently, would be difficult to manufacture, breakdown would be highly likely, with complete seizure, rendering the entire engine useless. not going to happen, though there might be a good idea nestled inside it...

  • dont think that would work so well..

  • Oh well, sucks.

  • why wouldnt it just be on a sperical axis relating the power from not only vertinal but horizonal as well, you would have not only more torque, but a wider power band in rpm and with less vibration than your thing looks like it has. ill grant you that it looks neat, it just looks like a flattened water turbine if you look at it, just a VERY inefficient francis engine in relation to the direction of power input to output...do more research, good job learning the software though, cheers for that.

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  • clever design but most of the presure from combustion will just push the rotor down or up resulting in very little torque

  • @tirealert

    Thank you for your comment.if you interest it,you can sned email to me! my email: sky-hawk@126.com

  • @tirealert

    It could potentially work more efficiently at a very high rpm.

  • I agree, most of the energy would be wasted creating more pressure equally in the entire void. The concave/convex parts of the rotating plate could definitely be redesigned so that when the explosion occurs, it would provide more thrust on the leading part of the plate. Also the design of how and where the spark plug is located would help.

  • Clever design....but what have you done to Eliminate Friction,if we ran out of oil tomorrow?

  • Someone needs to dezine an engine to make perfict use of Orgone, NOT HHO!

    Look up Joe Cell / Moe Joe Cell

  • better off going electric. the internal combustion engine is dead.

    this device is probably capable of very high rpm's which make it very inefficient for automotive use.

  • Have you CNC one to test?

  • godd idea, build it. i didnt see a injector, how do you want to inject the combustible?

  • how does the combustion turn into rotational force? it seems like when it fires the force will be exerted upward instead of in a right or left way.

    can you clear this up for me? i think its an awesome idea

  • starter motor?

  • yeah thatll start it spinning but i dont see how the explosions will keep it spinning

  • me neither... but then again i have absolutely 0 experience with this kind of thing.

  • If you have several of these working together you will be able to make one spin the other which will make the other spin, ect ect

  • @booya257 unfortunately, it doesn't work like that.

  • The "secret" is in the shape of the rotor. It is asymmetrically shaped. Thus an explosion yields an assymetric pressure distribution. In simpler words on one end of the chamber that is formed by rotor an ceiling there is mor pressure then on the other end. Thus a force is exerted.

    main problem with the design are the pressure seals, but as far as I know some prototypes of similar design do actually exist.

    have a nice day

    silk

    ;-))

  • @cmoncalian combustion probably takes place when the rotor is in the downward slope which would propel it further downward. wont create much torque but when you have a motor like this you dont need torque.

  • Nice to view - hard to build.

  • woo.. nice engine dude,i hope my bike power with that engine,keep up the gud work ^^

  • Go ahead man and build an prototype ! World need new ideas like your .

  • its a nice thought... although wouldn't the engine loose nothing from having the spark plugs on the same side? This of course would keep not only the plugs, but the intake and exhaust in the same side. Would be easier from a changing plugs/intake/whathaveya standpoint.

  • is that center section seriously moving up and down?

    that is going to rob some massive HP,

    but other than that, the expansion and theory behind it in kinda neat! can even run combustion and exaust cycles on each plane on each side of it every single cycle!

    that center part will be an increadable nightmare to machine, and the longevity will be next to none, but it will rock when it runs!

  • I forsee some serious seal problems and wear

  • that is used in Honda motor company, that type of internal combustion, ( in some models ), also known as wankel engine, ( yes, wankel engine ;) )..

  • Honda doesn't use the Wankel engine... And, the mazda fans that drive rx's among other cars are insulted that you have confused the two... Jerk.

  • ye, lol, true, fuck it, wank it of....

    ;P

  • As useful as a chocolate toothbrush.

    Try again.

  • this motor get's a lot of rpm(then most engine) and much more torque then the wankel but you REALLY dont want to know what's the fuel consumption is !!!!

  • It looks compact. I'm only worried of friction and sealing of course. And i think the spark plugs should rather be close to each other to be more balanced, not trying to bend the crank

  • and you think wen it well fly

  • awesome idea

  • Google for the Wankel Engine - a wankel engine is more efficient.

  • Not correct. Wankel is a dinosaur. It had seals problems which they solved. This engine is a double nutating engine. (Look up nutating engine. One is being developed.) This would have High power to weight ratio and seals should be fine.

    I have several better designs with 70%+ efficiency, multi-fuel, gas, and solids but it will not see the light of day cause everything is going electric and I cant tell you why. If I did I'd have to kill u. ;- D Power will be plentiful and green.

  • And where do you take that electricity from?

  • the wankel has MUCH less expansion, he expanded the idea in a positive way, its just a early rendering to show others whats in his head

  • it´s a good idea but This motor wont work, it would exploit, you need to do some modifications

  • Remember Wankels fuel consumption was solved using turbochargers, as in today's Mazda RX-7. It could be applied to this engine too. Or some sort of bottled compressed air.

  • yea this isnt good.. like 3ab said there force produced during the fuel ignition cycle is going to be mostly parallel to the length of the axle and not so much causing it to spin. this will cause a strong torque on the central shaft which will mean bearings wont last long. also there is a large area of seals around the explosion chambers. its basically like a wankel but probably less reliable.

  • yes this is like Wankel Rotary engine design. Rotary engines are not big on fuel economy because a lot of power goes out the exhaust mostly because there is not exhaust valve. I don't see the issue is being solved in this design.

  • great re-make on the wankle

  • nice idea but on firing order the iduced force will be parallel to the shaft leading in no motion any way thats smart

  • thats pretty good, but i think lubrication is going to be a big issue, i can't see the seals lasting very long.

  • Exactly what they said about the Wankel when I was a kid.

  • excellent, sealing is not a big deal with the precision manufacturing capabilities we have today. However, vibration is kinda risky but I have to admit it, its a wonderful idea, man can you imaging how small an engine would be. You would put an engine in each wheel,  just kidding 

    but I salute you.

  • Sealing it is the biggest problem.

  • Awesome!Did you invent that?As far as i know,it would work better than the Wankel engine.The Wankel's triungular piston's shape won't last for long,because there is some serious friction involved.I recommand you trying to develop this engine,because it's great.Congratulations! ;)

  • Thanks!I am the sole designer of this invention.

  • Interesting, but where are the fuel lines? And the mags?

  • I have many doubts as IC engine BUT I think that is a good design to develope an high power stirling engine since it has two plates, one to warm and other to cool. Also striling is more efficient and burn any fuels.

    At least should be a good design to develope the "brain stormed" magnetic engine since a synwave could be obtained to allow a complete rotation.

    Join our brains and still alive.

  • you should get that patented before putting on utube

  • I patented it already.

  • oh ok do you use it in anything and whats is it desinged for?

  • It can be used for portable generator system.

  • i had almost the same idea , really neat ,, I want really to have an engine that runs as Ac motor style.. no goddamn stinkin pistons

  • Looks like it would have the same edge-seal problems that the Wankel design does. How would you prevent blow-by gasses getting from one cavity to the next?

    -jcr

  • Thanks for your comment! It can be used Wankel seal system.

  • and it does what?

  • Your design will have way too much friction going on to be really effective... interesting design though.

  • It would also pulsate if it was by itself, like a thumper 1 cylinder engine :) Still awesome, no matter what anyone says.

  • Thanks!

  • pretty. now build it

  • Thanks for your comment.

  • If you increase the peaks and valleys will you increase torque? How can you lubricate it and make it useable for road use? Really elegant though super high RPMs should be acheiveable. Please post your developments.

  • torque i believe is a function of pressure and surface area...so no.

  • You are right,it's so. are you interest it?

  • i love all things of engineering:) this is definitely an awesome idea!

  • Thank you for educating me with such brevity and so little grace. What ever it is. Will it deliver more go via the shaft in the center of it. Like increasing stroke in a piston engine.

  • Yeah if you did what you said, it would have longer strokes and give it more horse-power per rpm with same torque, or you could run that through a gear box and get whatever balance of the two you wanted, so yeah it would make it more powerful. You could definitely even run a car on it.

    Generally, one wants the peaks/valleys to be balanced with the width for efficiency. Balance, efficiency. Then take that result a scale it bigger smaller what ever. You got yourself a good engine.

  • OMG nice!!!!

  • incredibly imaginitive, and it would even work. The only downsides are the volumetric efficiency is...poor... and as fallingwater pointed out, the "piston" would bo an extremely high wear component. it would awe some science-fair judges though ;)

    Anyway, once again, FREAKING brilliant.

  • It seems conceptually similar to a wankel engine. Wouldn't the bent plate vibrate itself to hell?

  • Thanks for your comment.maybe to heaven!

  • Chinese patent office.

  • Interesting concept. Doesn't this create a situation where the combustion force in essence has more load to overcome when creating rotational force and is therefore less efficient? It seems to me that it would be like pushing down on a 45 degree angled side of an object "squeezing" it to one side vs. pushing it away using force perpendicular to one side if you can visualize the example. Has a prototype been built and operated?

  • Love the idea. Could the combustion/ compression voids be made rounder rather and not so flat. My guess is that this might raise the combustion efficiency. I AM guessing here though!

  • Thanks. yes, you are right, It can be made.

  • You need to get to the patent office. Then you need to mass produce these things. ;)

  • Thanks,I have patented.

  • Now you just need to mass produce them. =)

  • Amazing! Good design! Could be the future.

  • Thanks!

  • They already use Rotary engines...

    Mazda Rx-7 and Mazda Rx-8....

    They actually were invented for big trucks...becouse it has small voliume and gives maximum power!!!

  • not like this one...

  • Way too complex. Too many moving parts.

  • Are you kidding Chris???!!! A normal ICE with cylindric chamers has more moving parts.

  • I was being sarcastic.

    SHEESH Youtubers are a serious bunch!

  • Therefor the question: "are you kidding". xD

    No seriously, I just forgot switching on my sarcasm sensors and english is not my mother language too. ^^ Well, your sarcasm was not to obvious for me.

    peace :)

  • i dont see how the expanding gas forces the crank to turn

  • I am sure you have an very very exceptional design!

    It is evident that you can use different parameters for best performances.

  • Excellent! like you I think the spherical gometry can bring new designs for rotary engine. (I know very well the geometry of your engine)

  • Thanks for your comments!Could you tell me about my engine's geometry?

  • I think that you robed this idea from wankel motor. This rotor can't resist all that explosions. If you make that, it will explote after 5 minuts.

  • Thinks! I think you have known the Wankel's construction and mathematic principle! Please indicate my engine's principle.

  • Where can I buy one? How much? what HP and fuel?

  • rpm?, hp?, fuel?, etc...

    performance!

    I need to know.

  • this engine in testing stage,no exact parameter.

  • thanks!

  • Very comlex to manufacture, i think!

    Do you have seals on the rotor????

  • This is a mini engine,Each of the main components can be made by pressing,so it is esay to manufacture.

  • ???!!!

  • Have you constructed a working prototype? Would this cost more to manufacture than the classic Wankel design? Very interesting.

  • In mini rotary engine field,It's easy to be made,and has high power.rotor works a round ,spark plug fire six times.evidently,it can be used in special field as power source.

  • Sweet idea! cooling and stacking?

  • Any benefit over Mazada's rotary?

  • I can't see any way that tis will rotate after the fireing of the plug. It just looks like a wave pump of which there are a lot of them on the market already. To me there is nothing in this that isn't allready on the market.

  • It is not a wave pump,it's really a rotary internal combustion engine.If you study carefully,you can undersdand that it will rotate after the firing of the plug.sorry,my English is not well.

  • okay afther watching,for many second iam anderstand,thats more better from mazda rotary engine,congratulation

  • Thanks for your comments!