scientists believe that meat was the key factor in the human brain development that lead to intelligence.that's why zizek speaks of degeneration,in a humorous manner of course
@ZagorTeNay80 True Intelligence can be ( and is ) conditional to Knowledge, Wisdom is how you use your intelligence and knowledge and create somethink right, true, moral . . . :D its funny more words you know, better you can think, can you imagine if we werent thinking with WORDS but simbolically/we would picture everythink ? wow, we would be like animals
@AwakeToPresence During this reading I was reminded of some claims made by certain communist theoreticians and philosophers.
They used to say: Human being is as bad as a system in which he thrives.Well they could be right, still consequently all revolutionaries were bad because they have grown up in a corrupt society.Therefore successful revolution and eventually communism is not possible.
How can you assert that humans are NOT naturally violent?Does society make us violent?
A dim view of human creativity is betrayed here. Your reliance upon what is "natural" as an indicator of the limits and necessary actions of our species does not take into account alternate cases. Humans are capable of setting themselves on fire to achieve a political voice, of only saying one phrase for their entire adult life, or of calculating the number of protons in the universe. The creature you describe sounds dull, reactive, and yes, violent.
@AwakeToPresence Sorry if this sounds blunt, but when it comes to ancient civilizations, I would tend to trust the accounts of archaeologists and anthropologists over that of a lone psychology professor and spiritual author. Pleasing revisionism is sure to sell copies, but it's not hard science.
@dojomojomofo yes i agree, its soft science or social science, difficult to find hard science that examines such general trends in societies over such a vast time, however i agree, steve taylor is not in the relevant field, i certainly have no access to hard proof, dont mean to spread misinformation but rather alternative strokes of thought that deserve consideration as i believe if we limit ourselves to hard science it hinders our ability to progress or to deeply project new concepts
@AwakeToPresence We were dying from fucking every thing in those days dude! Without sufficient protein in our diets, i.e. big game, we would not be able to function. Get off your mac and take a walk in the woods and see how wondrous it is.
@AwakeToPresence Well you are using the term vegan as if the hunter gatherers were doing it as a choice. Well if you would like you can go live in the woods? Also no violence? What a perfect society.
He was probably talking about the Oxford study showing vegetarians are 6x more likely to suffer brain shrinkage than omnivores in a test group over 61-87yo.
I think the easiest route is to listen to nutritionists and eat little meat. It's easy to become malnourished without any, but it's been linked to many health issues - so consume in moderation. About 1 card deck worth per day for the average adult... but good luck getting that little in North America!
@dojomojomofo w/o sufficient b-12 the brain can shrink, however most vegetarians don't know anything about nutrition or food. Vitamin b12 come from bacteria(in meat and produce) as long as vegetarians eat a variety of fruits and vegetables with beans, legumes, and various grains as opposed to pasta with butter, they will have the b-12 and protein needed.im not advocating, just sick of people telling me that eating dead animals is necessary for nutrition and apart of our species entire history
@AwakeToPresence I agree. I think it's certainly healthy to have a healthy vegetarian diet - it is just much more difficult and involved than eating a moderate portion of meat. I was just reading the Wikipedia article on creatine, which cited a study showing vegetarians and vegans significantly benefit from creatine supplements in cognitive tests. I wouldn't have even guessed it was needed! But, a very wise, careful vegan could live just as healthily or better than most.
As a philisopher go study buddhism you may fall in love. Read the dhammapada.. see the justification for vegeterianism and the relative similarity with the view he has
@d3r2000 i never forced anyone to follow my eating habits with bogus, manipulated pseudo-scientific datas. the vegetarians do that constantly. if you don't wanna eat meat, good for you (or should i say bad for you, cause that means that you're not gonna get some very important aminoacids that are present only in animal proteins) but please spare the rest of us your statements on how much we are anti-ethics, anti-ecological and unhealthy. you are pathetic and yes...intolerant.
@bohigasss I am what I wish to be.. you are clearly intolerant and pathetic! There are many important amino acids throughout many sources of food such as Milk, cheese, yogurt, dairy. Also many are naturally occurring as well as self produced. There are many health issues with eating meat, also some scientific research is showing eating meat can contribute to auto immune diseases (asthma ) they increase protein function factors which leads to it, heart + chronic disorders as high fats.
@d3r2000you are just a confused kid that like every other vegetarian speaks without a real scientific knowledge. of course there are aminoacids in cheese,yougurt and dairies but they're not the same you will find in meat. also for those who suffer lactose intolerance these products are not recommended. eating meat has nothing to do with asthma(you're just making things up) and of course if you only eat a lot of red meat everyday it's unhealthy.i never suggested that.go study my friend...
@bohigasss Mate .. read up CRP.. the protein factor is involved in asthma attacks, the construction of the lungs, fluid and smaller bags (in laymens terms) are attacked by the immune system causing asthma? Why does the immune attack is to do with misfunction yet all the theories are pointing to some environment diet related answers. Meat is giving indication to it. Many asthmatics stop eating meat and have less attacks while others who give up meat totally tend to recover from asthma.
@bohigasss You must have heard of genetic information dna being inherited from animal cells into human cells what happens? Mutations which leads to Cancer, ring a bell! No one knows what causes cancer directly there are many clues here might be one. Why not eat monkeys? Eat Lions? Eat Humans why limit yourself to some animals and not all animals? There is a big difference in the cellular structures of animals and plant cells and there inhibitions, digestions into human bodies.
@d3r2000 you don't know what you're talking about. what is your point? that eating meat gives you cancer? one of the reason we evolved (but i am sure you don't believe in evolution) it's because we started to eat meat. as far as lions and monkeys are concerned i don't live in a place were they are available and maybe they don't taste that good. if they would i'd eat them. i don't eat humans because i'm not a cannibal.
The western world and middle east are predominantly meat eaters as per abrahamic ideologies which per state supported and supressed prior ideologies. If you go to countries like China and India vast amounts of people support there lifes on veggeteriansm and there were many western theologies who researched the ideas people like pythagoras were some philosophers even said there will never be world peace if humans do not become veggeterian. it is still necessary for veggis to tolerate
@d3r2000 for one i don't choose my eating habits based on any "theologies" (since every theology it's a bunch a BS without any real connection to science or medicine). i base my eating habits on the fact that i am a doctor and i know very well the difference between animal proteins and veggie proteins. in china you will find in every menu beef, chicken and pork not to mention indians which are big chicken consumer. so no, they're not all vegetarians.even if they were, that doesn't make it right.
he's joking of course, but his point is kind of, unbelievably true; the reason our brain started to grow so much bigger than that of apes was precisely the increase of meat in our diets
haha, how silly. As a sentient being, capable of empathy and compassion, I find it a bit shameful to eat any living creature that has to suffer and die for the insignificant desire to fulfill my satisfaction. When I can be just as easily satisfied with a vegetarian diet...
@AlexanderofCydonia and i dont see how that makes me a degenerate or a monkey.... Quite a silly statement to make i'd say. Maybe if he cut back on the meat a little bit, he wouldn't have such a robust physic
@AlexanderofCydonia He's making a joke. I'm quite confident that Zizek does not in fact think vegetarians are degenerates who will turn into monkeys. Taking offense at this silly remark is itself quite silly.
@AlexanderofCydonia who cares about his "robust physics" really?! since when is it so important to look (emphasis on look) skinny and worry so much about it. really, get a life. im sure zizek has one and it is not because he is or not skinny. first he's joking. second he just means to say that this vegetarianism thing is unbelievably getting mainstream now. you can try to stop watching commercials (coming from commerce - to buy and sell) all day.
@kansme If he was being sarcastic at the expense of vegetarians can you imagine what he would have said about vegans. Sarcasm does not hide his opinion though.
Lolz. Well the statement is funny in light of some evolutionary theories of brain growth/encephalization in early hominids (which says that meat aided or made it possible for larger brains).
@sputnikpanicpuppet "I'm a vegetarian and I found this very funny." He made this sarcartic comment because he is used to doing it. He is a minor philosopher trying to make a name for himself by making fun of something that he can never be. He was in the army right? So being ready to kill humans over rides any future understanding or moral need to protect animals by being vegetarian. That is why he does not understand Derrida or deconstruction. He is a dinosaur trying to be a psychotic beatnik.
I don't think his being in the army is relevant to this video, but anyway back when he was young, military service was mandatory - in the West too (at least where I'm from.)
I've only read a book of his, the Sublime Object of Ideology, and I think what he wrote there stands on its own if his goal is making a name for himself. I concede, though, that the book contains a couple of pages on Derrida and they're quite bad. But Derrida and moral need don't mix. I don't get your point...
@sputnikpanicpuppet 'army' background, 'communism', marxism and pyschoanalyst deconstructionist, etc.. all build up this 'dangerous thinker' profile. If he sell this image he can't be a 'nature' lover. Obviously if you deconstruct nature there won't be any to find or perceive. Isn't that the case with him. 'Beings' are invisible to him. Derrida sees 'beings' which means he sees nature. To me its to see 'Heidegger's 'lifeworld', and Husserl's 'intersubjectivity'. Zizek sees perversion in veggos.
And also, why specifically Derrida? I've always found the antagonism between marxists and deconstructionists to be a little forced (in Zizek as well, besides he talks about "poststructuralists" in general...) I don't really see this fundamental incompatibility anywhere.
@sputnikpanicpuppet T " I don't really see this fundamental incompatibility anywhere."
The first thing i noticed about structuralists and various 1968 characters was their disregard for anything beyond language. Even the author is dead, most probably nature is dead too. So animals are most probably no were to be seen in this revolutionary pseudo marxist movement. Deconstruction well, only Derrida should have saved the larger movement from ignoring nature. Zizek is more incompatible wih Derrida.
When consuing small animals such as prawns etc, people eat its SHIT, URINE, BLOOD, VOMIT, PUS, ANUS, CUNT and ALL THE FILTH THAT ANIMAL HAS EATEN. And yet they claim it tastes better than vegetables.
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This point is rarely discussed, Thumbs up if you agree.
Hmm. Perhaps he is a writer who expresses himself colorfully. Maybe he has a sense of humor.
But on second thought: He probably has a vindictive, irrational hatred of vegetarians. And if he hates vegetarian, who else does he hate? What if he hates me?!
We should help him. Lets cure him. Any ideas? Boycott his books? Shock therapy? Lynch him?
@cate7791 "We should help him. Lets cure him. Any ideas? " May be you should break in and save the remaining animals that he is yet to eat. People eat 15000 in a lifetime. I bet you he is way past that, that is why he look ill and depressed. And he probably has developed Kuru and that is why he has disconnected philosophies and goes way beyond the original paradigm shift thinking he can make an original revolution evolve some more. I see a lot of denial meaning he is reviving corpses, to eat up
@GnomesAmok Why this attack? Do you feel like you need to defend Zizek's honor or something? This is Youtube; people's opinions are fair game. Zizek is no different. Who in the hell are you to call me 'garbage'?
@GnomesAmok "Get thicker skin, you piece of degenerate garbage, why do you think a philosopher like Zizek gives a what wether or not you like what he says? "
What are you? Are you his PR gimp? A philosopher that has no personal thought or consideration for the origins of his food is no philosopher worth considering. From what i can see he is just crawling his way into the back end of French Philosophy like a standard parasite.
@Firebiird "Funny how one comment, like this one, can make one suspicious of everything else the speaker says, or has ever said."
I agree, and i bet you are not even a vegetarian. And what did you get for you concern? You got called 'garbage' by 'GnomesAmok' who seems to think he is a Atheist know it all. I am Atheist and you are too. So why all the offending over Zizek's stupidity and narrow mindedness. On top of that he chops the heads of cute little bunnies for a youtube scoop.
He to be controversial ... he imagines some feeling of moral superiority in vegans, so he attacks that position. It's a childish reaction, really. Nothing too profound or philosophical about it, just his character. His attack is not on vegetarianism itself. But vegetarianism is a good idea, and is commendable if one follows that diet. Still, if you don't eat your salad just because there's a little piece of meat in, and would rather throw it all away, you're a pathological vegan.
Food is a choice. I don't know why people get into the constant debate of which is healthier, tastier or ethical. What ever the attributes might be, it doesn't make either choice right or wrong constitutionally. And hence to speak so condescendingly of people based on a mere choice is very immature. Zizek belongs to the asylum and not academia.
We have evolved nowhere. Every year the food and drugs that were advertised as scientific manna the previous year are found out to be poison. This is a classic example big daddy white man "father knows best" thinking that disgusts me about vegans.
Check out what indigenous Americans ate. Just because western civilization murders the competition doesn't mean we are "better".
PS. Most non-western vegetarians get plenty of insects in their food that keeps them healthy. Nothing wrong with that!
Now that we have evolved as far as we have, we have the knowledge about nutrition and the technology and opportunity to obtain a wide variety of foods, we can eat healthily and get all the protein and everything else we need, WITH OR WITHOUT meat. I have no issue with one animal eating another, that's nature. We're just animals. Now that we've come as far as we have, though, we can do things a lot less cruelly and wastefully, and a lot more respectfully to our planet and our fellow life-forms.
@thetwentyfourth 1) meat has more complex, more beneficial proteins than beans, tofu, etc. 2) veggies aren't all that ethical when you think about the conditions of the human workers involved. Even the few that are given minimum wage (and believe, that's the most they will be given at your fair-trade markets), are still subjected to a slavish lifestyle not fit for any human being!
@NazTb0y 1) the greater complexity etc of the proteins also make it a lot more work for the body to process. There are pros and cons to everything and different things serve different purposes to greater or lesser extents. My point is we can be perfectly healthy with or without meat. I've become a vegan recently (paying attention to nutritional needs of course) and I've never been healthier.
2) Sure, and all that should be addressed as well. The best way is to grow your own though.
"We can be perfectly healthy with or without meat." Speak for yourself. Be honest: you really only know what's best for you. Don't pretend to know the dietary needs of everyone because you want to raise the vegan banner a little higher. Vegans aren't necessarily the healthiest..
@thepostnihilist But I suppose you can say that meat is goodwithout the same argument applying to you? The human body is pretty consistent as far as what is good or bad for it. You won't find many people for whom carrot juice is poisonous. I suppose you think vitamin C is good for you? Speak for yourself!
I've made a choice that's right for me. I'm not waving any banner in anyone's face, but it is obvious that it is POSSIBLE for a normal human being to be a healthy vegan if they want to.
@thetwentyfourth Well, the metabolism speeds up when you ingest protein, and you want the body to take its time digesting them b/c otherwise the benefit is lost, and they're in one ear and out the other...
@NazTb0y So either vegetarians should put their beliefs on non-human animal suffering aside and cause more suffering on this planet, or we should just not eat anything at all? Brilliant! It's all so clear now. Where do you get your veggies from? Instead of trying to make vegetarians look like hypocrites, perhaps you should act on your beliefs. Do you grow your own fruit and veggies in your backyard, or do you also reinforce the exploitation of our fellow man by buying your veggies from the store
@Thano0907 I buy my veggies and my meat at the store. I'm saying, I know a lost cause when I see one. You're right, that it does suck that people have to suffer, but slavery has been a part of civilization from the beginning, so either become communist, go back to hunter-gatherer society or live with it, accepting the fact that the universe is chaotic...
@NazTb0y I am a Luxemburgian Trotskyist and a vegetarian because I believe in doing my part to eradicate as much suffering as I possibly can, even if this hardly makes any impact at all. As for the universe being chaotic, I'm not sure what you mean here. The evolution of the universe and its current physical characteristics are not chaotic, rather the product of initial quantum fluctuations that brought about inflation initially, and the 'breaking' of the 4 fundamental forces. Great advances
@Thano0907 "I am a Luxemburgian Trotskyist and a vegetarian because I believe in doing my part to eradicate as much suffering as I possibly can.." Well done a communist vegetarian?
Your statement shows that Zizek here can be overpassed by people like yourself with better convictions for 'beings' not remain in a egoist humanist obsession like Zizek's. If he could show some 'empathy' at least for animals he would be much more advanced than various dead philosophers. He makes no 'differance'.
@NazTb0y (cont) in physics have illustrated the 'randomness' of nature at the quantum scale but this doesn't imply it is 'chaotic'. Furthermore, the 'randomness' of these elementary particles is what forms the building blocks of the universe we observe today (or as much as we can, at least), and the various laws physicists have put forward thus far do a pretty good job at describing and explaining the universe on this larger scale. A unified field theory uniting quantum and large scales awaits.
That said, a balance is definitely needed. There aren't enough people who eat a varied diet. Most are satisfied with the stereotypical meat-and-potatoes dinners, processed meat sandwiches, and generally eggs and cereal in the morning. As omnivores we really do need to eat from every food group.
To be frank, our brains didn't start developing quickly until we started hunting and (gasp) eating meat! The extra protein and not needing to forage all day was the catalyst our brains needed to expand. Sure, animals can be treated better, but so can the rest of the planet. Going vegetarian won't fix anything. We are still omnivores. Good luck finding a natural source of the protein and other things you'll be missing out on by not eating meat or eggs.
the future and our specie's evolution is in vegetarianism, ambientalism... is moving forward, vegetarians wont turn into monkeys... vegetarians are taking the step forward, da vinci and Einstein were vegetarians.
He tries to justify his own eating lifestyle, with a ridiculous argument.Every guy with a little Knowledge about monkeys and the human Species nows how ridicilous it is, what he says. Propably heself knows that he is wrong and i hope he is just making a joke.
Simply put, vegetarians act upon their compassion for what is living by what they consume and consider how it got on their plate. Meat (umami) tastes delicious, yes, but there are many sensations I can do without... such as seeng an animal being slaughtered without compassion. Without slaughter, I would not have meat to eat. I do not find pain entertaining or necessary, not even for beauty. I have no right to be blind to the lives of other creatures.
All meat eaters will agree with us vegetarians when it will be to late to act and take back all our mistakes. when an animal species dont know how to survive correctly in the environment nature will eventually kick it out of the system, we are fighting against nature by adapting humans to an environment that its not sustainable but one day nature will win the fight.
@mariobt15 you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. yes, we eat meat unsustainably. this means we need to eat meat more sustainably. it does not mean we should not eat meat.
So everything relies to the intention of the meat industry where they rather force the animals to extreme pain to reduce costs of production rather than utilizing our so superior minds trying to find non pain industrial methods, its very sad to see humans that think they own everything to the extreme point to loose all respect for nature. Humans surely dont belong to earth cause we dont know how to behave in it, so im faithful waiting for mothernature to do her job,just wait... tick... tock...
Im a vegan and I can tell you that its not because I oppose to human evolution, I understand that eating an animal its a normal way to survive at a normal natural state, but as many of you say "humans are superior on thinking than the rest of the animals" this statement supports that we can find other options to survive, we can decide our way of eating and obviously a tiger cant. So everything relies to the intention of the meat industry where they rather force the animals to extreme pain...
Sinceramente no me importa que es lo que el borrego posmoderno decida meterse en la boca, lo que en verdad me molesta es ese aire de superioridad que tiene el vegetariano, como si hubiera escalado un paso mas en la escala evolutiva, como si eso lo convirtiera en adalid de la intelecualidad y la civilización.
Is this supposed to be an intelligent remark? And do you guys really feel better that your weakness for not being able to stop eating meat is validated by this guy?
@ubermensch826 i'm sure all the medicine you had your whole life that probably saved your life, your mobile phone, the way you move in a car, the way you fly in airplanes, it's all just natural. We only use the word "natural" when we need validation to make something that gives us pleasure and we're not strong enough to stop doing. I know... i'm like that also about a lot of things. "Natural" as left the building a long way ago. We can choose to make that a good thing, or a bad thing.
You have to understand something... Slavoj is so smart, he is like Einstein. And people who are smart like that, are not like us, normal humans. He thinks in whole diffrent perspecitve.
What a "churchy" bunch - veggie zealots and flesh-pot apologists alike. Where salvation is in the consciousness of "man as divine", I've pages and pages of of alienating/servile piety to God/Nature in favor of/against eating critters.
At this point, the moral/health benefits of veganism are not as strong or unambiguous as they eventually will be. Certainly not prior to communism.
@bevolatte88 -.- humans ARE monkeys .... so if i say "yes" that would mean that every monkey and every human monkey is incompetent. does make any sense?!
It is ironic that vegetarians/vegans are so enthusiastic about saving the flesh of animals when the universal consumption of flesh (or the bodies of other living things) is the only way in which life can continue. What's so special about human flesh or even animal flesh, when plant flesh, fruit flesh, and vegetable flesh are also consumed in order to sustain life? And, guess what: when you die bacteria, insects and even animals will consume your flesh as well. It's the cycle of life.
I am not opposed to eating meat, and yes, you're absolutely right. However, the factory farming method, which in the near future may be the only ecologically sustainably method, is cruel and quite revolting. I believe if we want to maintain our humanity, eventually (due to population/environmental factors) we will have to give up meat.
@emill40 Factory farming the only ecologically sustainable method? We'll have in vitro meat in stores by the end of the decade my friend. No need for factory farms (or any farms), and no need to give up meat.
@thepostnihilist vegetarians generally abstain from eating meat not because its composed of 'flesh' (a term which you use quite loosely in your own post) but because the flesh in question has the capacity to process and experience 'pain'. Were it the case that vegetables experienced pain, its quite likely that alot of vegetarians would think twice about eating those too! :)
Well,sorry to burst your bubble...but we are ALREADY living in the manufacturing factory: it's called "earth"...and it's not a pretty picture.
-most humans are starved most of their lives.
-the world is a violent and highly unethical place.
-Humans are "cattle" to their owners.
basically...the world is a cosmic evil factory where humans are raised in abhorent conditions ( eerily similar to the poor animals experience in the factory farms).
@novaflo339 So you're basically saying that the world is a pile of shit therefore we should just except all the pain and suffering and live with it. We shouldn't use our highly evolved intelligence and empathy to make the world a better place, with the least amount of suffering possible. No, lets choose to remain in hell and keep the torture of sentient beings going all because Big Macs taste so damn good.
@novaflo339 brilliant reductionist argument. So why should anyone try to make any difference? Let us all stuff our faces with the corpses of other creatures and then console ourselves with the fact that there are humans who are being starved too. Give me a break. It is this kind of defeatist attitude that just perpetuates economic, social and ecological crises, and maintains man's delusion that he has some kind of privileged position on this planet. People should act on what they believe.
I respect your argument. Frankly, I don't share your pessimistic view.
You make the generalization that "Humans are "cattle" to their owners. The world is a cosmic evil factory..."
There are many who devote their lives trying to make a difference in the world. They are not driven by materialistic needs, but they choose to act on their free choice. Perhaps this "freedom" that many artists, freethinkers, and volunteers share is what distinguishes them from the farm animals.
There aren't enough freethinkers to change the world, which is why we experience perpetual chaos. The majority of humanity set their sights on the mundane while "hoping" for a pie in the sky after death (out of cowardice). In other words, not enough people stand out as individuals, as innovators, as fearless awareness. So they are essentially cattle. There are too many weeds in the crop. So the whole of the crop is lost. What is "hope" for humanity when humanity itself lacks insight?
That is a very good point. However, as science progresses more and more will see that we need to abandon old ideas, and substitute for new ones. It is up to the individuals, freethinkers like you mentioned to steer the rest in the right direction. Humanity should grow to respect and appreciate science, instead of churning out nuclear bombs and burdening children with labor.
@sorisoru "Perhaps this "freedom" that many artists, freethinkers, and volunteers share is what distinguishes them from the farm animals." I couldn't help seeing how nicely you defended a future for those that want to change the world for the better. Remember though what 'positivism' is. On your concept of 'free thinkers' though that are distinguished from 'farm animals' you are mal informed. How can you support Zizek if he separates himself from tortured 'beings'? Zizek is a nihilist too.
Sorry putz not everyone is like you described. You seem like a follower and a piece of garbage for that. Anyone that accepts the world for what it is and is not willing to fight for it is a sheep.
@novaflo339 "basically...the world is a cosmic evil factory where humans are raised in abhorent conditions ( eerily similar to the poor animals experience in the factory farms).
but knock yourself out with the veggies.
You are somekind of an Oxymoron. You are the problem basically. That is what you just divulged. Good thing that meat fights back with PAHs so people like you don't live long; and obviously you got the balls to eat it raw?
I'm sure if an alien species landed in plain view (or secretly) & started farming us for food, we would continue overpopulating the earth, oblivious of what life had become. I don't think most humans have the ability to see a bad situation & end it by going against their animal urge to reproduce. The condition of the the world, whether it be concerning animals or humans, is due to our lack of desire to take personal responsibility. We'd rather live in a comfy prison than none at all.
@thepostnihilist LMAO - so horribly true :-) I don't get it...at all. I even occasionally go down the extreme conspiracy route (mind control implants, drugs in the water, some other crazy idea), just to try and find some reason that there's such an utter apathy...I want to believe it's more than complacency and convenience, but maybe it just is. There are people waking up in greater numbers, but I think we've got a long ways til we reach critical mass...
Finally a topic on which we both agree. Cheers, Zizek!
PapaWilk 3 days ago
scientists believe that meat was the key factor in the human brain development that lead to intelligence.that's why zizek speaks of degeneration,in a humorous manner of course
BRNKktoons 4 weeks ago
Bravo alistairthegreat !!! That comment just might be one of the most uninformed oppinions I have heard in a while... Thanx for a great laugh :):):)
As for our philosopher's statement: either he is joking or he is uneducated in this particular field.
ZagorTeNay80 1 month ago
@ZagorTeNay80 True Intelligence can be ( and is ) conditional to Knowledge, Wisdom is how you use your intelligence and knowledge and create somethink right, true, moral . . . :D its funny more words you know, better you can think, can you imagine if we werent thinking with WORDS but simbolically/we would picture everythink ? wow, we would be like animals
softilol 4 weeks ago
humans are naturally violent, and when denying their nature, degenerate toward eating vegetables....and so on.
alistairthegreat 1 month ago 2
@AwakeToPresence During this reading I was reminded of some claims made by certain communist theoreticians and philosophers.
They used to say: Human being is as bad as a system in which he thrives.Well they could be right, still consequently all revolutionaries were bad because they have grown up in a corrupt society.Therefore successful revolution and eventually communism is not possible.
How can you assert that humans are NOT naturally violent?Does society make us violent?
SloveintzWend 1 month ago
@SloveintzWend
A dim view of human creativity is betrayed here. Your reliance upon what is "natural" as an indicator of the limits and necessary actions of our species does not take into account alternate cases. Humans are capable of setting themselves on fire to achieve a political voice, of only saying one phrase for their entire adult life, or of calculating the number of protons in the universe. The creature you describe sounds dull, reactive, and yes, violent.
benitocorleone 2 weeks ago
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SloveintzWend 1 month ago
@AwakeToPresence Sorry if this sounds blunt, but when it comes to ancient civilizations, I would tend to trust the accounts of archaeologists and anthropologists over that of a lone psychology professor and spiritual author. Pleasing revisionism is sure to sell copies, but it's not hard science.
dojomojomofo 1 month ago
@dojomojomofo yes i agree, its soft science or social science, difficult to find hard science that examines such general trends in societies over such a vast time, however i agree, steve taylor is not in the relevant field, i certainly have no access to hard proof, dont mean to spread misinformation but rather alternative strokes of thought that deserve consideration as i believe if we limit ourselves to hard science it hinders our ability to progress or to deeply project new concepts
AwakeToPresence 1 month ago
the last greenpeace meeting i went to was full of monkies
generalzeedot 1 month ago
@AwakeToPresence We were dying from fucking every thing in those days dude! Without sufficient protein in our diets, i.e. big game, we would not be able to function. Get off your mac and take a walk in the woods and see how wondrous it is.
Britzilius 1 month ago
@AwakeToPresence Well you are using the term vegan as if the hunter gatherers were doing it as a choice. Well if you would like you can go live in the woods? Also no violence? What a perfect society.
toolfantwo 1 month ago
Its true though
zkyggen 1 month ago
@AwakeToPresence nonsense
somearemoreequal 1 month ago
He was probably talking about the Oxford study showing vegetarians are 6x more likely to suffer brain shrinkage than omnivores in a test group over 61-87yo.
I think the easiest route is to listen to nutritionists and eat little meat. It's easy to become malnourished without any, but it's been linked to many health issues - so consume in moderation. About 1 card deck worth per day for the average adult... but good luck getting that little in North America!
dojomojomofo 2 months ago
@dojomojomofo w/o sufficient b-12 the brain can shrink, however most vegetarians don't know anything about nutrition or food. Vitamin b12 come from bacteria(in meat and produce) as long as vegetarians eat a variety of fruits and vegetables with beans, legumes, and various grains as opposed to pasta with butter, they will have the b-12 and protein needed.im not advocating, just sick of people telling me that eating dead animals is necessary for nutrition and apart of our species entire history
AwakeToPresence 1 month ago
@AwakeToPresence I agree. I think it's certainly healthy to have a healthy vegetarian diet - it is just much more difficult and involved than eating a moderate portion of meat. I was just reading the Wikipedia article on creatine, which cited a study showing vegetarians and vegans significantly benefit from creatine supplements in cognitive tests. I wouldn't have even guessed it was needed! But, a very wise, careful vegan could live just as healthily or better than most.
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haridham 2 months ago
As a philisopher go study buddhism you may fall in love. Read the dhammapada.. see the justification for vegeterianism and the relative similarity with the view he has
d3r2000 2 months ago
lol turn into monkey... degenerates. i.e. mad.. come on there is more to vegeteriansm.
d3r2000 2 months ago
he totally does coke lol
50percentFirebird 2 months ago
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cotymcclung 2 months ago
vegetarians are the new nazis. intollerant and arrogant with those who do not share their ideology.
bohigasss 2 months ago
@bohigasss As is those such as yourself who made an intolerant statement.
d3r2000 2 months ago
@d3r2000 i never forced anyone to follow my eating habits with bogus, manipulated pseudo-scientific datas. the vegetarians do that constantly. if you don't wanna eat meat, good for you (or should i say bad for you, cause that means that you're not gonna get some very important aminoacids that are present only in animal proteins) but please spare the rest of us your statements on how much we are anti-ethics, anti-ecological and unhealthy. you are pathetic and yes...intolerant.
bohigasss 2 months ago
@bohigasss I am what I wish to be.. you are clearly intolerant and pathetic! There are many important amino acids throughout many sources of food such as Milk, cheese, yogurt, dairy. Also many are naturally occurring as well as self produced. There are many health issues with eating meat, also some scientific research is showing eating meat can contribute to auto immune diseases (asthma ) they increase protein function factors which leads to it, heart + chronic disorders as high fats.
d3r2000 2 months ago
@d3r2000you are just a confused kid that like every other vegetarian speaks without a real scientific knowledge. of course there are aminoacids in cheese,yougurt and dairies but they're not the same you will find in meat. also for those who suffer lactose intolerance these products are not recommended. eating meat has nothing to do with asthma(you're just making things up) and of course if you only eat a lot of red meat everyday it's unhealthy.i never suggested that.go study my friend...
bohigasss 2 months ago
@bohigasss Mate .. read up CRP.. the protein factor is involved in asthma attacks, the construction of the lungs, fluid and smaller bags (in laymens terms) are attacked by the immune system causing asthma? Why does the immune attack is to do with misfunction yet all the theories are pointing to some environment diet related answers. Meat is giving indication to it. Many asthmatics stop eating meat and have less attacks while others who give up meat totally tend to recover from asthma.
d3r2000 2 months ago
Eating meat increases CRP .. which increases asthma, allergies, athritis, bowl syndrome and other autoimmune diseases.
d3r2000 2 months ago
Run a google search on 'How Can I Reduce My High C-Reactive Protein Levels?' you will see a page which will tell you properly
d3r2000 2 months ago
@bohigasss You must have heard of genetic information dna being inherited from animal cells into human cells what happens? Mutations which leads to Cancer, ring a bell! No one knows what causes cancer directly there are many clues here might be one. Why not eat monkeys? Eat Lions? Eat Humans why limit yourself to some animals and not all animals? There is a big difference in the cellular structures of animals and plant cells and there inhibitions, digestions into human bodies.
d3r2000 2 months ago
@d3r2000 you don't know what you're talking about. what is your point? that eating meat gives you cancer? one of the reason we evolved (but i am sure you don't believe in evolution) it's because we started to eat meat. as far as lions and monkeys are concerned i don't live in a place were they are available and maybe they don't taste that good. if they would i'd eat them. i don't eat humans because i'm not a cannibal.
bohigasss 2 months ago
The western world and middle east are predominantly meat eaters as per abrahamic ideologies which per state supported and supressed prior ideologies. If you go to countries like China and India vast amounts of people support there lifes on veggeteriansm and there were many western theologies who researched the ideas people like pythagoras were some philosophers even said there will never be world peace if humans do not become veggeterian. it is still necessary for veggis to tolerate
d3r2000 2 months ago
@d3r2000 for one i don't choose my eating habits based on any "theologies" (since every theology it's a bunch a BS without any real connection to science or medicine). i base my eating habits on the fact that i am a doctor and i know very well the difference between animal proteins and veggie proteins. in china you will find in every menu beef, chicken and pork not to mention indians which are big chicken consumer. so no, they're not all vegetarians.even if they were, that doesn't make it right.
bohigasss 2 months ago
he's joking of course, but his point is kind of, unbelievably true; the reason our brain started to grow so much bigger than that of apes was precisely the increase of meat in our diets
dingdingdingdiiiiing 2 months ago 2
LoL, he is in right
manjelos 3 months ago
it's humor, get over it
SebastianChum 3 months ago 23
haha, how silly. As a sentient being, capable of empathy and compassion, I find it a bit shameful to eat any living creature that has to suffer and die for the insignificant desire to fulfill my satisfaction. When I can be just as easily satisfied with a vegetarian diet...
AlexanderofCydonia 3 months ago
@AlexanderofCydonia and i dont see how that makes me a degenerate or a monkey.... Quite a silly statement to make i'd say. Maybe if he cut back on the meat a little bit, he wouldn't have such a robust physic
AlexanderofCydonia 3 months ago
@AlexanderofCydonia He's making a joke. I'm quite confident that Zizek does not in fact think vegetarians are degenerates who will turn into monkeys. Taking offense at this silly remark is itself quite silly.
bigtimepeace 3 months ago 48
@AlexanderofCydonia who cares about his "robust physics" really?! since when is it so important to look (emphasis on look) skinny and worry so much about it. really, get a life. im sure zizek has one and it is not because he is or not skinny. first he's joking. second he just means to say that this vegetarianism thing is unbelievably getting mainstream now. you can try to stop watching commercials (coming from commerce - to buy and sell) all day.
bridget87 3 months ago 2
They cut the laugh, he was clearly being sarcastic.
Get a better sense of humor.
kansme 3 months ago
@kansme If he was being sarcastic at the expense of vegetarians can you imagine what he would have said about vegans. Sarcasm does not hide his opinion though.
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
Lolz. Well the statement is funny in light of some evolutionary theories of brain growth/encephalization in early hominids (which says that meat aided or made it possible for larger brains).
bleeepblopbleeep 3 months ago
@bleeepblopbleeep I like the stoned ape theory to explain the larger brain much more interesting read.
wishshewoulddome 3 months ago
@wishshewoulddome LOLZ :)
bleeepblopbleeep 3 months ago
love it!!!!!!
Hydro033 3 months ago
Saw that coming a mile away, Slavoj is nothing but brutish & brash. But that why i like him.
Neojhun 3 months ago
Best line ever.
TheSpiritOfTheTimes 3 months ago
"I'm not human, I'm monster" - Slavoj Zizek
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airwish 3 months ago
@airwish
I think you misunderstand the truly meaning of the sentence
5312343 3 months ago
@airwish You don't understand that statement.
GentleGinjeet 3 months ago
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airwish 3 months ago
I'm a vegetarian and I found this very funny. Degenerrrrrates, degenerrrates, they'll all terrrrn into monkeys.
sputnikpanicpuppet 3 months ago
@sputnikpanicpuppet "I'm a vegetarian and I found this very funny." He made this sarcartic comment because he is used to doing it. He is a minor philosopher trying to make a name for himself by making fun of something that he can never be. He was in the army right? So being ready to kill humans over rides any future understanding or moral need to protect animals by being vegetarian. That is why he does not understand Derrida or deconstruction. He is a dinosaur trying to be a psychotic beatnik.
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
@ieatbonobos
I don't think his being in the army is relevant to this video, but anyway back when he was young, military service was mandatory - in the West too (at least where I'm from.)
I've only read a book of his, the Sublime Object of Ideology, and I think what he wrote there stands on its own if his goal is making a name for himself. I concede, though, that the book contains a couple of pages on Derrida and they're quite bad. But Derrida and moral need don't mix. I don't get your point...
sputnikpanicpuppet 3 months ago
@sputnikpanicpuppet 'army' background, 'communism', marxism and pyschoanalyst deconstructionist, etc.. all build up this 'dangerous thinker' profile. If he sell this image he can't be a 'nature' lover. Obviously if you deconstruct nature there won't be any to find or perceive. Isn't that the case with him. 'Beings' are invisible to him. Derrida sees 'beings' which means he sees nature. To me its to see 'Heidegger's 'lifeworld', and Husserl's 'intersubjectivity'. Zizek sees perversion in veggos.
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
@ieatbonobos
And also, why specifically Derrida? I've always found the antagonism between marxists and deconstructionists to be a little forced (in Zizek as well, besides he talks about "poststructuralists" in general...) I don't really see this fundamental incompatibility anywhere.
sputnikpanicpuppet 3 months ago
@sputnikpanicpuppet T " I don't really see this fundamental incompatibility anywhere."
The first thing i noticed about structuralists and various 1968 characters was their disregard for anything beyond language. Even the author is dead, most probably nature is dead too. So animals are most probably no were to be seen in this revolutionary pseudo marxist movement. Deconstruction well, only Derrida should have saved the larger movement from ignoring nature. Zizek is more incompatible wih Derrida.
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
Oh well. No one is perfect.
ignoranttwat 3 months ago 2
lol, he said far worst things in the past. get a sense of humor. or get a tumor. ;-)
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330MillionGods 4 months ago
Hmm. Perhaps he is a writer who expresses himself colorfully. Maybe he has a sense of humor.
But on second thought: He probably has a vindictive, irrational hatred of vegetarians. And if he hates vegetarian, who else does he hate? What if he hates me?!
We should help him. Lets cure him. Any ideas? Boycott his books? Shock therapy? Lynch him?
cate7791 4 months ago
@cate7791 "We should help him. Lets cure him. Any ideas? " May be you should break in and save the remaining animals that he is yet to eat. People eat 15000 in a lifetime. I bet you he is way past that, that is why he look ill and depressed. And he probably has developed Kuru and that is why he has disconnected philosophies and goes way beyond the original paradigm shift thinking he can make an original revolution evolve some more. I see a lot of denial meaning he is reviving corpses, to eat up
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
Funny how one comment, like this one, can make one suspicious of everything else the speaker says, or has ever said.
Firebiird 4 months ago
@Firebiird
Get thicker skin, you piece of degenerate garbage, why do you think a philosopher like Zizek gives a what wether or not you like what he says?
GnomesAmok 3 months ago
@GnomesAmok Why this attack? Do you feel like you need to defend Zizek's honor or something? This is Youtube; people's opinions are fair game. Zizek is no different. Who in the hell are you to call me 'garbage'?
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Firebiird 3 months ago
@GnomesAmok What an odd, and ironic, thing for a Zizek reader to say... have you learned nothing from this man at all?
Firebiird 3 months ago
@GnomesAmok "Get thicker skin, you piece of degenerate garbage, why do you think a philosopher like Zizek gives a what wether or not you like what he says? "
What are you? Are you his PR gimp? A philosopher that has no personal thought or consideration for the origins of his food is no philosopher worth considering. From what i can see he is just crawling his way into the back end of French Philosophy like a standard parasite.
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
@Firebiird "Funny how one comment, like this one, can make one suspicious of everything else the speaker says, or has ever said."
I agree, and i bet you are not even a vegetarian. And what did you get for you concern? You got called 'garbage' by 'GnomesAmok' who seems to think he is a Atheist know it all. I am Atheist and you are too. So why all the offending over Zizek's stupidity and narrow mindedness. On top of that he chops the heads of cute little bunnies for a youtube scoop.
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
He to be controversial ... he imagines some feeling of moral superiority in vegans, so he attacks that position. It's a childish reaction, really. Nothing too profound or philosophical about it, just his character. His attack is not on vegetarianism itself. But vegetarianism is a good idea, and is commendable if one follows that diet. Still, if you don't eat your salad just because there's a little piece of meat in, and would rather throw it all away, you're a pathological vegan.
AirSandFire 4 months ago
Kreten
Hrema 4 months ago
Food is a choice. I don't know why people get into the constant debate of which is healthier, tastier or ethical. What ever the attributes might be, it doesn't make either choice right or wrong constitutionally. And hence to speak so condescendingly of people based on a mere choice is very immature. Zizek belongs to the asylum and not academia.
TejasM14 4 months ago
@TejasM14
Why are you basing 'right and wrong' on a constitution?
degree7 4 months ago
@TejasM14 I doubt he was being serious. That said, he has some odd views.
DefTheMarxist 4 months ago
We have evolved nowhere. Every year the food and drugs that were advertised as scientific manna the previous year are found out to be poison. This is a classic example big daddy white man "father knows best" thinking that disgusts me about vegans.
Check out what indigenous Americans ate. Just because western civilization murders the competition doesn't mean we are "better".
PS. Most non-western vegetarians get plenty of insects in their food that keeps them healthy. Nothing wrong with that!
cdeization 4 months ago
lol Vulcans are degenerates? :)
eujhin24789 4 months ago
@eujhin24789 Dear degenerate, Vulcans are fictional characters. :)
vkrivokuca 4 months ago 20
degenerate indeed, but it's not the people who are degenerate, but the belief.
sniperquasi 5 months ago
Now that we have evolved as far as we have, we have the knowledge about nutrition and the technology and opportunity to obtain a wide variety of foods, we can eat healthily and get all the protein and everything else we need, WITH OR WITHOUT meat. I have no issue with one animal eating another, that's nature. We're just animals. Now that we've come as far as we have, though, we can do things a lot less cruelly and wastefully, and a lot more respectfully to our planet and our fellow life-forms.
thetwentyfourth 5 months ago 3
@thetwentyfourth 1) meat has more complex, more beneficial proteins than beans, tofu, etc. 2) veggies aren't all that ethical when you think about the conditions of the human workers involved. Even the few that are given minimum wage (and believe, that's the most they will be given at your fair-trade markets), are still subjected to a slavish lifestyle not fit for any human being!
NazTb0y 4 months ago
@NazTb0y 1) the greater complexity etc of the proteins also make it a lot more work for the body to process. There are pros and cons to everything and different things serve different purposes to greater or lesser extents. My point is we can be perfectly healthy with or without meat. I've become a vegan recently (paying attention to nutritional needs of course) and I've never been healthier.
2) Sure, and all that should be addressed as well. The best way is to grow your own though.
thetwentyfourth 4 months ago
@thetwentyfourth
"We can be perfectly healthy with or without meat." Speak for yourself. Be honest: you really only know what's best for you. Don't pretend to know the dietary needs of everyone because you want to raise the vegan banner a little higher. Vegans aren't necessarily the healthiest..
thepostnihilist 4 months ago
@thepostnihilist But I suppose you can say that meat is goodwithout the same argument applying to you? The human body is pretty consistent as far as what is good or bad for it. You won't find many people for whom carrot juice is poisonous. I suppose you think vitamin C is good for you? Speak for yourself!
I've made a choice that's right for me. I'm not waving any banner in anyone's face, but it is obvious that it is POSSIBLE for a normal human being to be a healthy vegan if they want to.
thetwentyfourth 4 months ago
@thetwentyfourth Well, the metabolism speeds up when you ingest protein, and you want the body to take its time digesting them b/c otherwise the benefit is lost, and they're in one ear and out the other...
NazTb0y 4 months ago
@NazTb0y So either vegetarians should put their beliefs on non-human animal suffering aside and cause more suffering on this planet, or we should just not eat anything at all? Brilliant! It's all so clear now. Where do you get your veggies from? Instead of trying to make vegetarians look like hypocrites, perhaps you should act on your beliefs. Do you grow your own fruit and veggies in your backyard, or do you also reinforce the exploitation of our fellow man by buying your veggies from the store
Thano0907 4 months ago
@Thano0907 I buy my veggies and my meat at the store. I'm saying, I know a lost cause when I see one. You're right, that it does suck that people have to suffer, but slavery has been a part of civilization from the beginning, so either become communist, go back to hunter-gatherer society or live with it, accepting the fact that the universe is chaotic...
NazTb0y 4 months ago
@NazTb0y I am a Luxemburgian Trotskyist and a vegetarian because I believe in doing my part to eradicate as much suffering as I possibly can, even if this hardly makes any impact at all. As for the universe being chaotic, I'm not sure what you mean here. The evolution of the universe and its current physical characteristics are not chaotic, rather the product of initial quantum fluctuations that brought about inflation initially, and the 'breaking' of the 4 fundamental forces. Great advances
Thano0907 4 months ago
@Thano0907 "I am a Luxemburgian Trotskyist and a vegetarian because I believe in doing my part to eradicate as much suffering as I possibly can.." Well done a communist vegetarian?
Your statement shows that Zizek here can be overpassed by people like yourself with better convictions for 'beings' not remain in a egoist humanist obsession like Zizek's. If he could show some 'empathy' at least for animals he would be much more advanced than various dead philosophers. He makes no 'differance'.
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
@NazTb0y (cont) in physics have illustrated the 'randomness' of nature at the quantum scale but this doesn't imply it is 'chaotic'. Furthermore, the 'randomness' of these elementary particles is what forms the building blocks of the universe we observe today (or as much as we can, at least), and the various laws physicists have put forward thus far do a pretty good job at describing and explaining the universe on this larger scale. A unified field theory uniting quantum and large scales awaits.
Thano0907 4 months ago
@Thano0907 I guess I don't understand what this has to do with vegetarians. What do you get out of vegetarianism? Eat meat, be healthy...
NazTb0y 4 months ago
That said, a balance is definitely needed. There aren't enough people who eat a varied diet. Most are satisfied with the stereotypical meat-and-potatoes dinners, processed meat sandwiches, and generally eggs and cereal in the morning. As omnivores we really do need to eat from every food group.
sporkonomix 5 months ago
To be frank, our brains didn't start developing quickly until we started hunting and (gasp) eating meat! The extra protein and not needing to forage all day was the catalyst our brains needed to expand. Sure, animals can be treated better, but so can the rest of the planet. Going vegetarian won't fix anything. We are still omnivores. Good luck finding a natural source of the protein and other things you'll be missing out on by not eating meat or eggs.
sporkonomix 5 months ago
the future and our specie's evolution is in vegetarianism, ambientalism... is moving forward, vegetarians wont turn into monkeys... vegetarians are taking the step forward, da vinci and Einstein were vegetarians.
fdrpyahoocom 5 months ago
I am disappointed with this statement.
PMFtheman 5 months ago 26
I bet his circulatory and digestive system wish that he were a little more open to the idea. 8-)
tvswnet 6 months ago
You tell em, Zizek.
M73Kevin 6 months ago
Give me steak and a side of veggies and we all win :P
btrzvillanueva87 6 months ago
He tries to justify his own eating lifestyle, with a ridiculous argument.Every guy with a little Knowledge about monkeys and the human Species nows how ridicilous it is, what he says. Propably heself knows that he is wrong and i hope he is just making a joke.
liberationofanimals 6 months ago
Simply put, vegetarians act upon their compassion for what is living by what they consume and consider how it got on their plate. Meat (umami) tastes delicious, yes, but there are many sensations I can do without... such as seeng an animal being slaughtered without compassion. Without slaughter, I would not have meat to eat. I do not find pain entertaining or necessary, not even for beauty. I have no right to be blind to the lives of other creatures.
ohwhererehwho 6 months ago
Animal farming is fucking evil. Eating meat is natural to animals with sharp canine teeth and hunters like our species.
S2Cents 6 months ago
I guess monkeys are already leaving comments
TheStol 6 months ago
All meat eaters will agree with us vegetarians when it will be to late to act and take back all our mistakes. when an animal species dont know how to survive correctly in the environment nature will eventually kick it out of the system, we are fighting against nature by adapting humans to an environment that its not sustainable but one day nature will win the fight.
mariobt15 6 months ago
@mariobt15 you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. yes, we eat meat unsustainably. this means we need to eat meat more sustainably. it does not mean we should not eat meat.
scarecrow312 6 months ago
So everything relies to the intention of the meat industry where they rather force the animals to extreme pain to reduce costs of production rather than utilizing our so superior minds trying to find non pain industrial methods, its very sad to see humans that think they own everything to the extreme point to loose all respect for nature. Humans surely dont belong to earth cause we dont know how to behave in it, so im faithful waiting for mothernature to do her job,just wait... tick... tock...
mariobt15 6 months ago
Im a vegan and I can tell you that its not because I oppose to human evolution, I understand that eating an animal its a normal way to survive at a normal natural state, but as many of you say "humans are superior on thinking than the rest of the animals" this statement supports that we can find other options to survive, we can decide our way of eating and obviously a tiger cant. So everything relies to the intention of the meat industry where they rather force the animals to extreme pain...
mariobt15 6 months ago
That's it?! He was kidding.
mcjenzington 6 months ago
Zizek is brilliant and yet you give us one of his throw-away lines.
imshippyupup 6 months ago
Sinceramente no me importa que es lo que el borrego posmoderno decida meterse en la boca, lo que en verdad me molesta es ese aire de superioridad que tiene el vegetariano, como si hubiera escalado un paso mas en la escala evolutiva, como si eso lo convirtiera en adalid de la intelecualidad y la civilización.
StanMarsh02 7 months ago 6
@StanMarsh02 Aunque con una buena prosa, estás generalizando, hermano.
revistalugones 6 months ago
Ohhh, the only thing I agree with this sick marxist bastard !
oluaprotciv 7 months ago
hahaha !!! i love his reaction
djamorpheus 7 months ago
he's obviously joking
cementisfree1 7 months ago 3
monkeys like plato, einstein and nietschze were vegetarians too
prepetilec 7 months ago
@prepetilec so was Hitler XD
MrCleatsketch 7 months ago
i think he was sarcastic
engeljakob 7 months ago
Is this supposed to be an intelligent remark? And do you guys really feel better that your weakness for not being able to stop eating meat is validated by this guy?
fasaf 7 months ago
@fasaf it's not a weakness it's only natural.
ubermensch826 7 months ago
@ubermensch826 i'm sure all the medicine you had your whole life that probably saved your life, your mobile phone, the way you move in a car, the way you fly in airplanes, it's all just natural. We only use the word "natural" when we need validation to make something that gives us pleasure and we're not strong enough to stop doing. I know... i'm like that also about a lot of things. "Natural" as left the building a long way ago. We can choose to make that a good thing, or a bad thing.
fasaf 6 months ago
does it means that a monkey that evolves should be a meat eater?
ColonelPamiat 7 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sweet man, gotta love him.
Sunstila 8 months ago
haha what a legend. can anyone tell me where this is from?
joshbrill88 8 months ago
@joshbrill88 He is from Slovenia. Possibly the best thing that has ever happened to us :)
MidoriMochichan 7 months ago
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theskyking619 8 months ago
@theskyking619 He's from Slovenia, possibly the best thing that has ever happened to us. :)
MidoriMochichan 7 months ago
He point is that we evolved from monkeys cause we started eating meat. There are theories out there that support this.
monkimajik 8 months ago
@monkimajik I rather think he is not even making a point, but just joking.
SrQueque 7 months ago
You have to understand something... Slavoj is so smart, he is like Einstein. And people who are smart like that, are not like us, normal humans. He thinks in whole diffrent perspecitve.
846524162 8 months ago
What a "churchy" bunch - veggie zealots and flesh-pot apologists alike. Where salvation is in the consciousness of "man as divine", I've pages and pages of of alienating/servile piety to God/Nature in favor of/against eating critters.
At this point, the moral/health benefits of veganism are not as strong or unambiguous as they eventually will be. Certainly not prior to communism.
OuTofJoY 8 months ago
DEGENERATTEEEEE!!!!! (Slavic accent)
HomamZituni 8 months ago
i am a monky, like any human.
Nutzername36 9 months ago
@Nutzername36 but monkey's are incompetent... are you?
bevolatte88 8 months ago
@bevolatte88 ,do you refer to bush or to cock cheney?
555Nato 8 months ago
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@Nutzername36 but monkey's are incompetent... are you?
bevolatte88 8 months ago
@Nutzername36 but monkey's are incompetent... are you?
bevolatte88 8 months ago
@bevolatte88 -.- humans ARE monkeys .... so if i say "yes" that would mean that every monkey and every human monkey is incompetent. does make any sense?!
Nutzername36 8 months ago
@Nutzername36 No we are in fact NOT monkeys, or directly descended from them, common misconception. I'm an freshman in high school. Poor America.
ragingsun1 7 months ago
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NodrogTrax 5 months ago
@Nutzername36 Humans are apes, not monkeys. Monkeys are not apes. Go educate yourself you degeneresh.
- a vegetarian
NodrogTrax 5 months ago
@NodrogTrax
whatever, both are equally edible... not-very
:P
InnuendoXP 5 months ago
I don't think it's fundamentally wrong to eat meat
but I feel that the manufacturing process of animals in factories will expand to manufacturing humans one day, which is why I oppose eating meat.
sorisoru 9 months ago 6
@sorisoru
It is ironic that vegetarians/vegans are so enthusiastic about saving the flesh of animals when the universal consumption of flesh (or the bodies of other living things) is the only way in which life can continue. What's so special about human flesh or even animal flesh, when plant flesh, fruit flesh, and vegetable flesh are also consumed in order to sustain life? And, guess what: when you die bacteria, insects and even animals will consume your flesh as well. It's the cycle of life.
thepostnihilist 9 months ago
@thepostnihilist
I am not opposed to eating meat, and yes, you're absolutely right. However, the factory farming method, which in the near future may be the only ecologically sustainably method, is cruel and quite revolting. I believe if we want to maintain our humanity, eventually (due to population/environmental factors) we will have to give up meat.
emill40 8 months ago
@emill40 Factory farming the only ecologically sustainable method? We'll have in vitro meat in stores by the end of the decade my friend. No need for factory farms (or any farms), and no need to give up meat.
RoboDouche 8 months ago
@RoboDouche
True that, but then there will inevitably be questions raised about the integrity of lab grown produce.
Are you pro-factory farming or what? Currently, it is still foul - OBJECTIVELY immoral.
emill40 8 months ago
@thepostnihilist vegetarians generally abstain from eating meat not because its composed of 'flesh' (a term which you use quite loosely in your own post) but because the flesh in question has the capacity to process and experience 'pain'. Were it the case that vegetables experienced pain, its quite likely that alot of vegetarians would think twice about eating those too! :)
olywood9 6 months ago
@olywood9
What would you eat?
thepostnihilist 6 months ago
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skweeegor 7 months ago
@sorisoru what about eating and supporting meat that is properly processed?
djamorpheus 7 months ago
@sorisoru exactly why im a vegetarian
bluehoopz44 7 months ago
@sorisoru Can you say commodification?
watch?v=pPac_AqkQl0
crud4 7 months ago
@sorisoru lol.... moron.
joshbrill88 6 months ago
@sorisoru or that the entire process indicates a general lack of respect for life is a motivation to many vegetarians I know.
SJamesGray 6 months ago
@sorisoru
Well,sorry to burst your bubble...but we are ALREADY living in the manufacturing factory: it's called "earth"...and it's not a pretty picture.
-most humans are starved most of their lives.
-the world is a violent and highly unethical place.
-Humans are "cattle" to their owners.
basically...the world is a cosmic evil factory where humans are raised in abhorent conditions ( eerily similar to the poor animals experience in the factory farms).
but knock yourself out with the veggies.
novaflo339 6 months ago 15
@novaflo339
I agree with you completely. Brilliant response.
thepostnihilist 6 months ago
@novaflo339 So you're basically saying that the world is a pile of shit therefore we should just except all the pain and suffering and live with it. We shouldn't use our highly evolved intelligence and empathy to make the world a better place, with the least amount of suffering possible. No, lets choose to remain in hell and keep the torture of sentient beings going all because Big Macs taste so damn good.
Ch0tan 5 months ago
@novaflo339 That doesn't explain why you should want to inflict further pain on an animal purely for your culinary pleasure.
therealtruth123 5 months ago
@novaflo339 brilliant reductionist argument. So why should anyone try to make any difference? Let us all stuff our faces with the corpses of other creatures and then console ourselves with the fact that there are humans who are being starved too. Give me a break. It is this kind of defeatist attitude that just perpetuates economic, social and ecological crises, and maintains man's delusion that he has some kind of privileged position on this planet. People should act on what they believe.
Thano0907 4 months ago
@novaflo339
I respect your argument. Frankly, I don't share your pessimistic view.
You make the generalization that "Humans are "cattle" to their owners. The world is a cosmic evil factory..."
There are many who devote their lives trying to make a difference in the world. They are not driven by materialistic needs, but they choose to act on their free choice. Perhaps this "freedom" that many artists, freethinkers, and volunteers share is what distinguishes them from the farm animals.
sorisoru 4 months ago
@sorisoru
There aren't enough freethinkers to change the world, which is why we experience perpetual chaos. The majority of humanity set their sights on the mundane while "hoping" for a pie in the sky after death (out of cowardice). In other words, not enough people stand out as individuals, as innovators, as fearless awareness. So they are essentially cattle. There are too many weeds in the crop. So the whole of the crop is lost. What is "hope" for humanity when humanity itself lacks insight?
thepostnihilist 4 months ago
@thepostnihilist
That is a very good point. However, as science progresses more and more will see that we need to abandon old ideas, and substitute for new ones. It is up to the individuals, freethinkers like you mentioned to steer the rest in the right direction. Humanity should grow to respect and appreciate science, instead of churning out nuclear bombs and burdening children with labor.
sorisoru 4 months ago
@sorisoru "Perhaps this "freedom" that many artists, freethinkers, and volunteers share is what distinguishes them from the farm animals." I couldn't help seeing how nicely you defended a future for those that want to change the world for the better. Remember though what 'positivism' is. On your concept of 'free thinkers' though that are distinguished from 'farm animals' you are mal informed. How can you support Zizek if he separates himself from tortured 'beings'? Zizek is a nihilist too.
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
@novaflo339 I think he was joking.......
perjetesi2811 4 months ago
@novaflo339
So a human like you will accept the flaws and not try and change them. Can you think for your self? Or do you have to follow other people.
Reido2828 4 months ago
@novaflo339
Sorry putz not everyone is like you described. You seem like a follower and a piece of garbage for that. Anyone that accepts the world for what it is and is not willing to fight for it is a sheep.
Reido2828 4 months ago
@Reido2828
You don't even understand what he meant.
GnomesAmok 3 months ago
@novaflo339 "basically...the world is a cosmic evil factory where humans are raised in abhorent conditions ( eerily similar to the poor animals experience in the factory farms).
but knock yourself out with the veggies.
You are somekind of an Oxymoron. You are the problem basically. That is what you just divulged. Good thing that meat fights back with PAHs so people like you don't live long; and obviously you got the balls to eat it raw?
ieatbonobos 3 months ago
@sorisoru Exactly. I'm sure if an alien species landed and started farming us for food, we'd object...rather strenuously even...
tvswnet 6 months ago
@tvswnet
I'm sure if an alien species landed in plain view (or secretly) & started farming us for food, we would continue overpopulating the earth, oblivious of what life had become. I don't think most humans have the ability to see a bad situation & end it by going against their animal urge to reproduce. The condition of the the world, whether it be concerning animals or humans, is due to our lack of desire to take personal responsibility. We'd rather live in a comfy prison than none at all.
thepostnihilist 6 months ago
@thepostnihilist LMAO - so horribly true :-) I don't get it...at all. I even occasionally go down the extreme conspiracy route (mind control implants, drugs in the water, some other crazy idea), just to try and find some reason that there's such an utter apathy...I want to believe it's more than complacency and convenience, but maybe it just is. There are people waking up in greater numbers, but I think we've got a long ways til we reach critical mass...
tvswnet 6 months ago