Original Turks were Mongoloid. You can see that in that history and their paintings. This is why Persia, Ottomans, and Indians depicted themselves in Chinese appearance after the Mongol and Turkish invasions. Even though that appearance didnt apply to the common man native to there.
@Lordofthenipplerings come on, were bulgars also mongoloid? huns? how come they change their look that fast? and moreover if theres interraction of mongoloid with others (for example) greeks, why greeks dont look like mongoloid? alt least alittle there must be bcz of gene transfers. persians look mongoloid? no, arabs? not, armenia, georgia?
and be sure mongoloid look is mostly dominant if ur parent is mongoloid, ur eye brows change %90, skin darker %70, and this effects ur grandchildren as well
@karteorhan Anthropological data collected from medieval Bulgar necropolises from Dobrudja, Crimea and the Ukrainian steppe have shown that Bulgars were a Caucasoid people with a small Mongoloid admixture.. This finding is consistent with a model in which the Turkic languages were gradually imposed in Central Asia and East European Plain on Caucasian (Scythian) peoples with relatively little genetic admixture, another possible example of a language shift through elite dominance.[64]
@Lordofthenipplerings look turkic ppl were living together then they divided into 3. kıpçaks, karluks and oğuzs. bulgars belonged to kıpçaks with modern tatars, kazakh and kyrgyz. they were all caucasoid with little differences. but not mongoloid
majority of oğuz tribes invaded anatolia, syria, egypte, balkans. and turkish population was much more than local greeks, bcz migration didnt stop for more than 300 years. why anatolia is not mongoloid??
@karteorhan Turks had already mixed with Persians and Arabs before they invaded Anatolia. "The Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said, 'The Hour will not be established till you fight a nation wearing hairy shoes, and till you fight the Turks, who will have small eyes, red faces and flat noses; and their faces will be like flat shields"
@Lordofthenipplerings huh, muhammad never speak about turks. even if he did, he didnt say turk. bcz there was only köktürks at that times between 500-700s. and köktürks were described as caucasian looking, brown haired, blue eyed people in byzantine writings. u can also check kumans and pecheneks our brothers. mongols ppl of manchu-tunguz, turks eastern hazar sea
tell me about baybars who stopped mongols, was he lookin like arab? u know he was türk like me
@karteorhan Gokturks were Mongoloid. Kul Tigin for instance had clear Mongoloid features. Huns never conquered China. They were driven westward by Han Wudi. Even Atilla the Hun was described as Mongoloid by Greek Historians. Turk is an Altaic language. Very different from other linguistic families, such as Indo Iranian.
how do u know that gokturks were mongoloid? do u have any proof? representive paintings do not mean anything. göktürks had a great land. like huns, army was divided by 10.000 ppl groups, this shows how crowded tribes there were. and ofcourse there were mongols INSIDE gokturk empire. so there were mongoloid tribes with caucasoids
and attila was not mongoloid. he was like baybars, u know baybars very well
@karteorhan According to Greek historian Priscus who actually met Attila " Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin.[2"
@Lordofthenipplerings i didnt see anything describing mongoloid look in that. small eyes is mongoloid? u have so huge eyes? his beard thin? my beard is also thin, whats wrong with that? but mongoloids usually dont have beard till old age. u still dont talk about baybars, couldnt u find some nation to mix his orgins in egypte?
@karteorhan His eyes would be pretty critical. But it wasnt just his eyes, he goes onto describe his dark complexion, his large head, flat nose, and thin beard, and shorter stature. Any one of those things could have been almost any racial identification, but when coupled with small eyes, its pretty clear.
@Lordofthenipplerings u must understand something, alittle change of eyebrows do not mean that u are mongoloid. mongoloid is darker skin, black eyes, and chinese lookin eyebrows. todays kyrgyz, kazakhs are half mixed / half mongoloid. but kyrgyzs were called as the most beautiful people on earth with blonde hair and blue eyes in any history book. tell me now, if kyrgyz are not totally mongoloid, tell me how they mixed. whats mix is this with mongoloids? they were caucasoid like other turks
@karteorhan Kyrgyz are mixed due to having migrated into Central Asia, but they are still heavily Mongoloid. "According to Greek historian Priscus who actually met Attila " Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin.[2" Priscus didnt say his eybrows, he said his eyes.
@Lordofthenipplerings im asking u mix of what? whats origin of kyrgyz to mix with mongoloid?? tell me the orgin, how they looked before they mixed heavily?? these people speak closest form of gokturk language, didnt u know that?
@karteorhan Most likely Indo Iranians. "Central Asia proper was originally inhabited by Indo-Iranians. The best known of those groups was the nomadic Scythians.[12] The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before. They became the dominant ethnic component of Central Asia". But if you look at the last Kyrgyz presidential election. The candidates are heavily Mongoloid.
@Lordofthenipplerings idiot, i lived there 5 years, u teach me how kyrgyz look like?
first, kyrgyz didnt live that south, they lived between sibiria and north mongolia. indians dont look like any1 in central asia. persians have no word, about any migration to asia. all they write is wars with greeks and actually its persians that changed their look thanks to arabs
and if theres an integraion with persians and turks, check sumerian words matching with turkic languages, sumerians were turkic
@Lordofthenipplerings sumerian-karachai-turkish az-az-az baba-ata-baba(ata) gaba-gabara- daim-dayım-doyum me-men-ben(men) ne-ne-ne ru-ur-vur er-er-er(asker) tu-tuv-doğ ed-öt-geç(öt in kyrgyz) uş-üç-üç kız-kız-kız jaz-jaz-yaz koru-koru-koru ul-ul-oğul there are so many more
@karteorhan Thats pretty random. They arent even from the same linguistic family. Sumerian is extinct, and it isnt related to any other language on this planet. "Akkadian gradually replaced Sumerian as a spoken language somewhere around the turn of the 3rd and the 2nd millennium BC (the exact dating being a matter of debate),[4 Then, it was forgotten..Sumerian is a language isolate.[1]
@Lordofthenipplerings i dont say that its still spoken. their orgins is turkic. more than 100 common words of extinct language. we dont have any speakers so ppl cant claim that its turkish. but sumerian is much different than any other language around. and u cant claim me that for example "uş" means 3 is called üç, cant be a loanword. or "me", "ikki", "er" "jaz" these cant be loanwords. western idiots claim that sumerians are from moon bcz no relative language around them
@karteorhan "based upon a helio-centric view of the origin of civilization and human languages, the theory claimed that the Turkish language was the language which all civilized languages derived from.[5]
Some of the words provided with false Turkish etymologies through the practice of goropism were school, which was attributed to the Turkish word okul (school); God, attributed to the Turkish kut (luck); Bulletin from belleten (to learn by heart)"
@Lordofthenipplerings tell me, "randomly" finns speak uralic language, u say they are swedish? its more "pretty random" than sumerians. or estons speaking also uralic language must be russian right? just "pretty random" explains anything...
years ago before turkology lessons, hungarian was also explaned by "pretty random" similarities with other uralic languages...
@karteorhan Fins speak a Uralic language. Most likely due to some prehistoric migration by ancient Sami populations. They arent related to Sumerians either.
@Lordofthenipplerings what i say is common words explains things u dont know. but u moron dont understand. there are more turkic words in sumerian than any dialect or language. even mongol language is more different to turkic languages. but all u can say about it is "pretty random"
u kotokbaş cant even learn that turks looked caucasoid actually...
@karteorhan Not the original turks. And that linguistic theory is a total hoax. "According to linguist Ghil'ad Zuckermann, "it is possible that the Sun Language Theory was adopted by Atatürk in order to legitimize the Arabic and Persian words which the Turkish language authorities did not manage to uproot. This move compensated for the failure to provide a neologism for every foreignism/loanword."[8]"
@Lordofthenipplerings u r really a moron, show me a proof that turks were %100 mongoloid!! u cant. theres not! interraction with persians is just ur own idea! show me truth u bastard
and mongols are really different than turks. all the common thing is altaic language, and what u say is like indians and persians speak same language family, so persians were indians and in this case israeli are arabs... ancient egyptians are zulu tribians
@karteorhan You are the one promoting some conspiracy theory over the net. The original turks being mongoloids is a pretty fair conclusion based on what we know. Skeletal remains from Central Asia, excavated from different sites dating between the 15th century BC to the 5th century AD, have been analyzed. Prior to the 13th - 7th century BC, all samples belong to European lineages; later, an arrival of East Asian sequences...was detected.[71]
@Lordofthenipplerings "Central Asia proper was originally inhabited by Indo-Iranians. The best known of those groups was the nomadic Scythians.[12] The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before. They became the dominant ethnic component of Central Asia"."
@Lordofthenipplerings scythians learned alot from turkic tribes. show me persian bow making, and scythian bow is actually tatar/turkic/mongolian bow. and theres not %agreement about scythians. some claim that they were lithuanians, some claim even that they were ancestors of king arthur
@Lordofthenipplerings indo europeans were not in central asia, u talk about southern asia?i find nothin about persians, or any other indian nation that lived in central asia
@karteorhan ""Scythian". The New Encyclopædia Britannica, Micropædia. Volume 10 (15th ed.). p. 576. "member of a nomadic people originally of Iranian stock who migrated from Central Asia to southern Russia in the 8th and 7th centuries BC. The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before". They became the dominant ethnic component of Central Asia" T
@Lordofthenipplerings Its not a very demanding theory. Ancient artifacts indicated a Non-Mongoloid presence in Central Asia. Then the artifacts change to Mongoloid beyond a certain date. Then we have present data that also show that current Central Asians dont resemble the ancient people described by these artifacts. Then there is linguistic change and historical descriptions who have actually met these new Central Asians.
@Lordofthenipplerings A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu sequences can be classified as belonging to an Asian haplogroups and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups. This finding indicates that the contacts between European and Asian populations were anterior to the Xiongnu culture, and it confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century B.C. Scytho-Siberian population.[9]
@karteorhan That would indicate that the Huns were predominantly Asian, not just through Attila's description. And that the Scythians were predominantly Iranic with some contact with Asian genetics. "Scythian languages refers to all the languages spoken by all the peoples of ... Scythia extending from the Vistula river in East Europe to Sakastan and Mongolia in Central Asia during ancient times. Included also are some languages of eastern Iran and the Central Asian subcontinent".
@Lordofthenipplerings still u cant claim that they were persians. theres not any proof but who accpets this idea?? hey! what happened to the guy who didnt accept sumerians as turkic bcz there was no proof?? if they spoke persian, its "PRETTY RANDOM"
@karteorhan I didnt say they were Persian. I said they were Iranic. Persia is in reference to the Persian Empire. Iranic is a linguistic group. They have no affiliation with the Persian Empire besides having been from the same linguistic family.
@karteorhan I didnt say they were Persian. I said they were Iranic. Persia is in reference to the Persian Empire. Iranic is a linguistic group. They have no affiliation with the Persian Empire besides having been from the same linguistic family.
@Lordofthenipplerings umayyads and turks had bloody wars, u forget? so either some1 didnt understand it, or some1 couldnt find hairy shoed, small eyed, red faced, flat nosed turk on battlefield...
@Lordofthenipplerings According to the study, Turkish Anatolian tribes may have some ancestors who originated in an area north of Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period (3rd century BCE to the 2nd century CE), since modern Anatolian Turks appear to have some common genetic markers with the remains found at the Xiongnu period graves in Mongolia.[10] Moreover, the mtDNA (female linkeage) sequence shared by four of these paternal relatives were also found in a Turkish individuals,[11]
@Lordofthenipplerings theres not a proof for iranian orgin in sycthians. all the known things were written by persians and greeks, this dont mean they were either greek or persian
well other thing: The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before"
they became the dominant...
"turks got the rule in central asia and then attacked persia, thats how its explained"
@karteorhan "Central Asia proper was originally inhabited by Indo-Iranians. The best known of those groups was the nomadic Scythians.[12] The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before. They became the dominant ethnic component of Central Asia". This is the entire paragraph.
@Lordofthenipplerings its not a conclusion, it may be only a teory, and its not widely accepted, its just an idea. moreover from those reamins why cant u think that mongoloid race was mix of chinese and turkic? this may mean, mongolians became assimilated with their interraction with chinese in 7th century. later they had majority and with mongolian horde they became the main race. but this do not mean all the tribes were changed...
@Lordofthenipplerings V.V. Bartold cites Chinese and Muslim sources of the 7th–12th centuries AD that describe the Kyrgyz as having red hair, blue or green eyes
@karteorhan That might be very true. I dont have a time machine. But they clearly dont look this way today. "V.V. Bartold cites Chinese and Muslim sources of the 7th–12th centuries AD that describe the Kyrgyz as having red hair, blue or green eyes.[13][13][14] These features were markedly different from those of modern Kyrgyz".
@Lordofthenipplerings We also have sources by The Prophet(Salallaho alayhay wa sallam)"The Hour will not be established till you fight a nation wearing hairy shoes, and till you fight the Turks, who will have small eyes, red faces and flat noses; and their faces will be like flat shields".
@Lordofthenipplerings The Prophet said, "The Hour will not be established till you fight a nation wearing hairy shoes, and till you fight the Turks, who will have small eyes, red faces and flat noses; and their faces will be like flat shields. And you will find that the best people are those who hate responsibility of ruling most of all till they are chosen to be the rulers. And the people are of different natures: The best in the pre-lslamic period are the best in Islam...
@Lordofthenipplerings u wouldnt believe me if i told u that first pyramid in world was built in north china by uigur empire b4 in 14-16.000 BC. theres even now mummy of uigur princess...
actually, its my mistake to speak with u. u belive sumerians were just some kind of people that even learned to speak on their own, they created their own words. own language, and writing... if u believe that adam was sent to earth, ppl cant create their own languages, they always have a language tree!!
@karteorhan Yea, this sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory. "The Sun Language Theory (Turkish: Güneş Dil Teorisi) was a pseudoscientific linguistic hypothesis proposing that all human languages are descendants of one Central Asian primal language. The theory further proposed that the only language remaining more or less the same as this primal language was Turkic". Its generally regarded as pseudoscience.
how do u say "me" in indo-european and slavic languages its always me,men'a,moi... in turkic, men/meni. bcz origin is "men". ja,i,ich they say dont have any thin common, so their languages were changed. true word was "men"
@karteorhan Im not even sure where you are coming from. I just tried to look up the word Meni and translate it into english. All I got was the word semen.
@Lordofthenipplerings learn something well, there has never been any migration written on history that moves from west to east in asia. who would come to asia? all nomadic tribes were fighting with eachother since beginning of time, china was greatest threat nearby, theres not enough agriculture to feed all those ppl, and u migrate to there? they just tie ur settler to 4 horses from hands and feet and tear ur body and give its parts to wulfs :D
@Lordofthenipplerings mongolian is different from turk in many ways. 1st is language. we can understand most of central asian dialects and even sibirian languages with some differences. but mongolian is very different. most of the common words are loanwords
true thing is they lived with turks in asia. but this dont mean u have to look like eachother. jews lived with arabs, so arabs are jews? or are jews arabs?
@Lordofthenipplerings when great hun empire conquered china, khan didnt want his ppl to settle there. bcz they would be assimilated. when he died, 1 of his sons married chinese. this lead to tear apart the country. easterns became under chinese rule later
there are too many tribes in asia, u cant know who how looked like. but if chinese writings are true, turks never look like mongols
whatever, who cares how ppl look like? we are all humans, so we are all grandchildren of adam...
@Lordofthenipplerings if u said that turks were barbarians when they invaded anatolia, u may be true, they raided greek villages, kidnaped girls, killed all the men, raped every girl, not all turkic but they did. esspecially those who didnt accepted islam, did much more than u could imagine
my grandparents are yörük with turkoman mix. but i look blue eyed caucasoid like whole my village, established since 1500s with guard duty. all other villages around were greek, marriage with them forbidden
@Lordofthenipplerings sorry to say that my grand grandparents were greatest racists i have ever heard. marriage with other races were forbidden, if u marry u must leave that land or die. its said bcz horse breeding gave bad results when mixed. so blood must be clean to fight horseback
and the land they settled was too bad for agriculture, they often raided neighboring villages for winterstocks. lastest raid was done in 1928 according to archives. over 40 ppl were found guilty but set free
@Lordofthenipplerings those paintings are art. even greeks painted in such art were looked like that. and persia was using those figures long before mongol invasion
actually, islam was forcing people to do that kind of art. according to islam, its forbidden to make pepoles faces. it was understood like "god created ppl as superior, a human cant draw u like god did" so arabs never did paintings. turks, persians made drawings differently. they just represent ppl, like cartoons :)
@karteorhan "Miniature painting became a significant Persian genre in the 13th century, receiving Chinese influence after the Mongol conquests, and the highest point in the tradition was reached in the 15th and 16th centuries...The conventions of Persian miniatures changed slowly; faces are normally youthful and seen in three-quarters view, with a plump rounded lower face better suited to portraying typical Central Asian or Chinese features than those of most Persians".
ablay han sen butun ulu kazak turk milletini ayni sancakta topladin, dirilde gel ey aksakal ATATURKUMUZ gibi, yada sen gel buyuk MUSTAFA KEMAL, butun dunya kilicimiz altinda boyun eglesin!! nal seslermiz heryerde duyulsun bu kutlu yolda kanimiz aksin oluk oluk kan alalim oluk oluk TEK GERCEK TURAN yasasin BİRLESMİS TURK IMPARATORLUGU
Dostum bu sahneler" Nomad" adlı bir filmden..Film,ırkdaşımız Kazaklarla bugün ki Kalmukların atası olan kuzenlerimiz Cungarların birbirleriyle savaşını anlatır
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is this about Mongols? I kno tt Mongols invaded all th way even to Poland, so nowonder alot of people in Kazak loks chinese. Bet alot of raping went on a thousand years ago
Then if you know the history, u should know that in Chenghis Khan's army were turkic tribes like Nayman, Kereys, Argyns, Kypshaks and many others. So before commenting here please learn.
@Auntorious9 Mongol empire was combination of Turkic and Mongol tribles
Army ratio was 2 mongol 8 Turk Armies led by Turks there was not a single mongol general or warlord
Also Cenghiz was Turk too(tatar)
Mongols asimilated under turks
Kazaks doesn't look like chinise there's some features smilar but it's normal both of them Mongoloid (Means asia center origin) and chinise were integrating with turks since ancient times we call them Weakling/Halfling race tho because Turks allways been > Chinise
Original Turks were Mongoloid. You can see that in that history and their paintings. This is why Persia, Ottomans, and Indians depicted themselves in Chinese appearance after the Mongol and Turkish invasions. Even though that appearance didnt apply to the common man native to there.
Lordofthenipplerings 2 months ago
@Lordofthenipplerings come on, were bulgars also mongoloid? huns? how come they change their look that fast? and moreover if theres interraction of mongoloid with others (for example) greeks, why greeks dont look like mongoloid? alt least alittle there must be bcz of gene transfers. persians look mongoloid? no, arabs? not, armenia, georgia?
and be sure mongoloid look is mostly dominant if ur parent is mongoloid, ur eye brows change %90, skin darker %70, and this effects ur grandchildren as well
karteorhan 4 weeks ago
@karteorhan Anthropological data collected from medieval Bulgar necropolises from Dobrudja, Crimea and the Ukrainian steppe have shown that Bulgars were a Caucasoid people with a small Mongoloid admixture.. This finding is consistent with a model in which the Turkic languages were gradually imposed in Central Asia and East European Plain on Caucasian (Scythian) peoples with relatively little genetic admixture, another possible example of a language shift through elite dominance.[64]
Lordofthenipplerings 4 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings look turkic ppl were living together then they divided into 3. kıpçaks, karluks and oğuzs. bulgars belonged to kıpçaks with modern tatars, kazakh and kyrgyz. they were all caucasoid with little differences. but not mongoloid
majority of oğuz tribes invaded anatolia, syria, egypte, balkans. and turkish population was much more than local greeks, bcz migration didnt stop for more than 300 years. why anatolia is not mongoloid??
karteorhan 4 weeks ago
@karteorhan Turks had already mixed with Persians and Arabs before they invaded Anatolia. "The Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said, 'The Hour will not be established till you fight a nation wearing hairy shoes, and till you fight the Turks, who will have small eyes, red faces and flat noses; and their faces will be like flat shields"
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings huh, muhammad never speak about turks. even if he did, he didnt say turk. bcz there was only köktürks at that times between 500-700s. and köktürks were described as caucasian looking, brown haired, blue eyed people in byzantine writings. u can also check kumans and pecheneks our brothers. mongols ppl of manchu-tunguz, turks eastern hazar sea
tell me about baybars who stopped mongols, was he lookin like arab? u know he was türk like me
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Gokturks were Mongoloid. Kul Tigin for instance had clear Mongoloid features. Huns never conquered China. They were driven westward by Han Wudi. Even Atilla the Hun was described as Mongoloid by Greek Historians. Turk is an Altaic language. Very different from other linguistic families, such as Indo Iranian.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings huns just made them pay tax. i told u that they didnt settle
how do u know that gokturks were mongoloid? do u have any proof? representive paintings do not mean anything. göktürks had a great land. like huns, army was divided by 10.000 ppl groups, this shows how crowded tribes there were. and ofcourse there were mongols INSIDE gokturk empire. so there were mongoloid tribes with caucasoids
and attila was not mongoloid. he was like baybars, u know baybars very well
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan According to Greek historian Priscus who actually met Attila " Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin.[2"
"Sino-Xiongnu War
Date 133 BC – AD 89
Location China, Mongolia, and Central Asia
Result Decisive Han victory"
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings i didnt see anything describing mongoloid look in that. small eyes is mongoloid? u have so huge eyes? his beard thin? my beard is also thin, whats wrong with that? but mongoloids usually dont have beard till old age. u still dont talk about baybars, couldnt u find some nation to mix his orgins in egypte?
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan His eyes would be pretty critical. But it wasnt just his eyes, he goes onto describe his dark complexion, his large head, flat nose, and thin beard, and shorter stature. Any one of those things could have been almost any racial identification, but when coupled with small eyes, its pretty clear.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings u must understand something, alittle change of eyebrows do not mean that u are mongoloid. mongoloid is darker skin, black eyes, and chinese lookin eyebrows. todays kyrgyz, kazakhs are half mixed / half mongoloid. but kyrgyzs were called as the most beautiful people on earth with blonde hair and blue eyes in any history book. tell me now, if kyrgyz are not totally mongoloid, tell me how they mixed. whats mix is this with mongoloids? they were caucasoid like other turks
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Kyrgyz are mixed due to having migrated into Central Asia, but they are still heavily Mongoloid. "According to Greek historian Priscus who actually met Attila " Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin.[2" Priscus didnt say his eybrows, he said his eyes.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings im asking u mix of what? whats origin of kyrgyz to mix with mongoloid?? tell me the orgin, how they looked before they mixed heavily?? these people speak closest form of gokturk language, didnt u know that?
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Most likely Indo Iranians. "Central Asia proper was originally inhabited by Indo-Iranians. The best known of those groups was the nomadic Scythians.[12] The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before. They became the dominant ethnic component of Central Asia". But if you look at the last Kyrgyz presidential election. The candidates are heavily Mongoloid.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings idiot, i lived there 5 years, u teach me how kyrgyz look like?
first, kyrgyz didnt live that south, they lived between sibiria and north mongolia. indians dont look like any1 in central asia. persians have no word, about any migration to asia. all they write is wars with greeks and actually its persians that changed their look thanks to arabs
and if theres an integraion with persians and turks, check sumerian words matching with turkic languages, sumerians were turkic
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan "Sumerian
eme-ĝir, eme-gi
Spoken in Sumer and Akkad
Region Iraq (Mesopotamia)
Extinct Effectively extinct from about 1800 BC; used as classical language until about 100 AD.
Language family
Language isolate[1"
Sumerian is a language isolate, its also extinct.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Thats pretty random. They arent even from the same linguistic family. Sumerian is extinct, and it isnt related to any other language on this planet. "Akkadian gradually replaced Sumerian as a spoken language somewhere around the turn of the 3rd and the 2nd millennium BC (the exact dating being a matter of debate),[4 Then, it was forgotten..Sumerian is a language isolate.[1]
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings i dont say that its still spoken. their orgins is turkic. more than 100 common words of extinct language. we dont have any speakers so ppl cant claim that its turkish. but sumerian is much different than any other language around. and u cant claim me that for example "uş" means 3 is called üç, cant be a loanword. or "me", "ikki", "er" "jaz" these cant be loanwords. western idiots claim that sumerians are from moon bcz no relative language around them
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan "based upon a helio-centric view of the origin of civilization and human languages, the theory claimed that the Turkish language was the language which all civilized languages derived from.[5]
Some of the words provided with false Turkish etymologies through the practice of goropism were school, which was attributed to the Turkish word okul (school); God, attributed to the Turkish kut (luck); Bulletin from belleten (to learn by heart)"
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings tell me, "randomly" finns speak uralic language, u say they are swedish? its more "pretty random" than sumerians. or estons speaking also uralic language must be russian right? just "pretty random" explains anything...
years ago before turkology lessons, hungarian was also explaned by "pretty random" similarities with other uralic languages...
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Fins speak a Uralic language. Most likely due to some prehistoric migration by ancient Sami populations. They arent related to Sumerians either.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings what i say is common words explains things u dont know. but u moron dont understand. there are more turkic words in sumerian than any dialect or language. even mongol language is more different to turkic languages. but all u can say about it is "pretty random"
u kotokbaş cant even learn that turks looked caucasoid actually...
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Not the original turks. And that linguistic theory is a total hoax. "According to linguist Ghil'ad Zuckermann, "it is possible that the Sun Language Theory was adopted by Atatürk in order to legitimize the Arabic and Persian words which the Turkish language authorities did not manage to uproot. This move compensated for the failure to provide a neologism for every foreignism/loanword."[8]"
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings u r really a moron, show me a proof that turks were %100 mongoloid!! u cant. theres not! interraction with persians is just ur own idea! show me truth u bastard
and mongols are really different than turks. all the common thing is altaic language, and what u say is like indians and persians speak same language family, so persians were indians and in this case israeli are arabs... ancient egyptians are zulu tribians
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan You are the one promoting some conspiracy theory over the net. The original turks being mongoloids is a pretty fair conclusion based on what we know. Skeletal remains from Central Asia, excavated from different sites dating between the 15th century BC to the 5th century AD, have been analyzed. Prior to the 13th - 7th century BC, all samples belong to European lineages; later, an arrival of East Asian sequences...was detected.[71]
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings "Central Asia proper was originally inhabited by Indo-Iranians. The best known of those groups was the nomadic Scythians.[12] The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before. They became the dominant ethnic component of Central Asia"."
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings scythians learned alot from turkic tribes. show me persian bow making, and scythian bow is actually tatar/turkic/mongolian bow. and theres not %agreement about scythians. some claim that they were lithuanians, some claim even that they were ancestors of king arthur
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings indo europeans were not in central asia, u talk about southern asia?i find nothin about persians, or any other indian nation that lived in central asia
any document u have to share??
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan ""Scythian". The New Encyclopædia Britannica, Micropædia. Volume 10 (15th ed.). p. 576. "member of a nomadic people originally of Iranian stock who migrated from Central Asia to southern Russia in the 8th and 7th centuries BC. The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before". They became the dominant ethnic component of Central Asia" T
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings Its not a very demanding theory. Ancient artifacts indicated a Non-Mongoloid presence in Central Asia. Then the artifacts change to Mongoloid beyond a certain date. Then we have present data that also show that current Central Asians dont resemble the ancient people described by these artifacts. Then there is linguistic change and historical descriptions who have actually met these new Central Asians.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu sequences can be classified as belonging to an Asian haplogroups and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups. This finding indicates that the contacts between European and Asian populations were anterior to the Xiongnu culture, and it confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century B.C. Scytho-Siberian population.[9]
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan That would indicate that the Huns were predominantly Asian, not just through Attila's description. And that the Scythians were predominantly Iranic with some contact with Asian genetics. "Scythian languages refers to all the languages spoken by all the peoples of ... Scythia extending from the Vistula river in East Europe to Sakastan and Mongolia in Central Asia during ancient times. Included also are some languages of eastern Iran and the Central Asian subcontinent".
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings still u cant claim that they were persians. theres not any proof but who accpets this idea?? hey! what happened to the guy who didnt accept sumerians as turkic bcz there was no proof?? if they spoke persian, its "PRETTY RANDOM"
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan I didnt say they were Persian. I said they were Iranic. Persia is in reference to the Persian Empire. Iranic is a linguistic group. They have no affiliation with the Persian Empire besides having been from the same linguistic family.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
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@karteorhan I didnt say they were Persian. I said they were Iranic. Persia is in reference to the Persian Empire. Iranic is a linguistic group. They have no affiliation with the Persian Empire besides having been from the same linguistic family.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings umayyads and turks had bloody wars, u forget? so either some1 didnt understand it, or some1 couldnt find hairy shoed, small eyed, red faced, flat nosed turk on battlefield...
or maybe this wasnt true?
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings According to the study, Turkish Anatolian tribes may have some ancestors who originated in an area north of Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period (3rd century BCE to the 2nd century CE), since modern Anatolian Turks appear to have some common genetic markers with the remains found at the Xiongnu period graves in Mongolia.[10] Moreover, the mtDNA (female linkeage) sequence shared by four of these paternal relatives were also found in a Turkish individuals,[11]
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karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings [11] suggesting a possible Turkic origin of these ancient specimens
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings and theres no source that proves sycthians were iranian, they lived in yurts, yurt is house/tent in whole central asia
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings theres not a proof for iranian orgin in sycthians. all the known things were written by persians and greeks, this dont mean they were either greek or persian
well other thing: The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before"
they became the dominant...
"turks got the rule in central asia and then attacked persia, thats how its explained"
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
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@karteorhan "Central Asia proper was originally inhabited by Indo-Iranians. The best known of those groups was the nomadic Scythians.[12] The Turkic people began encroaching on the Iranians starting at least in the 5th century AD, possibly before. They became the dominant ethnic component of Central Asia". This is the entire paragraph.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings its not a conclusion, it may be only a teory, and its not widely accepted, its just an idea. moreover from those reamins why cant u think that mongoloid race was mix of chinese and turkic? this may mean, mongolians became assimilated with their interraction with chinese in 7th century. later they had majority and with mongolian horde they became the main race. but this do not mean all the tribes were changed...
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings V.V. Bartold cites Chinese and Muslim sources of the 7th–12th centuries AD that describe the Kyrgyz as having red hair, blue or green eyes
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan That might be very true. I dont have a time machine. But they clearly dont look this way today. "V.V. Bartold cites Chinese and Muslim sources of the 7th–12th centuries AD that describe the Kyrgyz as having red hair, blue or green eyes.[13][13][14] These features were markedly different from those of modern Kyrgyz".
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings We also have sources by The Prophet(Salallaho alayhay wa sallam)"The Hour will not be established till you fight a nation wearing hairy shoes, and till you fight the Turks, who will have small eyes, red faces and flat noses; and their faces will be like flat shields".
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings where says that mohammad?
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Bukhari Volume No: 4 Book No: 56 No: 787
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings The Prophet said, "The Hour will not be established till you fight a nation wearing hairy shoes, and till you fight the Turks, who will have small eyes, red faces and flat noses; and their faces will be like flat shields. And you will find that the best people are those who hate responsibility of ruling most of all till they are chosen to be the rulers. And the people are of different natures: The best in the pre-lslamic period are the best in Islam...
i never heard it b4
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Its from the Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings u wouldnt believe me if i told u that first pyramid in world was built in north china by uigur empire b4 in 14-16.000 BC. theres even now mummy of uigur princess...
actually, its my mistake to speak with u. u belive sumerians were just some kind of people that even learned to speak on their own, they created their own words. own language, and writing... if u believe that adam was sent to earth, ppl cant create their own languages, they always have a language tree!!
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Yea, this sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory. "The Sun Language Theory (Turkish: Güneş Dil Teorisi) was a pseudoscientific linguistic hypothesis proposing that all human languages are descendants of one Central Asian primal language. The theory further proposed that the only language remaining more or less the same as this primal language was Turkic". Its generally regarded as pseudoscience.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings güneş dil teorisi is a truth
how do u say "me" in indo-european and slavic languages its always me,men'a,moi... in turkic, men/meni. bcz origin is "men". ja,i,ich they say dont have any thin common, so their languages were changed. true word was "men"
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Im not even sure where you are coming from. I just tried to look up the word Meni and translate it into english. All I got was the word semen.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings learn something well, there has never been any migration written on history that moves from west to east in asia. who would come to asia? all nomadic tribes were fighting with eachother since beginning of time, china was greatest threat nearby, theres not enough agriculture to feed all those ppl, and u migrate to there? they just tie ur settler to 4 horses from hands and feet and tear ur body and give its parts to wulfs :D
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@karteorhan Thats not what I said. I said that the migration was from east to west.
Lordofthenipplerings 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings mongolian is different from turk in many ways. 1st is language. we can understand most of central asian dialects and even sibirian languages with some differences. but mongolian is very different. most of the common words are loanwords
true thing is they lived with turks in asia. but this dont mean u have to look like eachother. jews lived with arabs, so arabs are jews? or are jews arabs?
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings when great hun empire conquered china, khan didnt want his ppl to settle there. bcz they would be assimilated. when he died, 1 of his sons married chinese. this lead to tear apart the country. easterns became under chinese rule later
there are too many tribes in asia, u cant know who how looked like. but if chinese writings are true, turks never look like mongols
whatever, who cares how ppl look like? we are all humans, so we are all grandchildren of adam...
karteorhan 3 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings if u said that turks were barbarians when they invaded anatolia, u may be true, they raided greek villages, kidnaped girls, killed all the men, raped every girl, not all turkic but they did. esspecially those who didnt accepted islam, did much more than u could imagine
my grandparents are yörük with turkoman mix. but i look blue eyed caucasoid like whole my village, established since 1500s with guard duty. all other villages around were greek, marriage with them forbidden
karteorhan 4 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings sorry to say that my grand grandparents were greatest racists i have ever heard. marriage with other races were forbidden, if u marry u must leave that land or die. its said bcz horse breeding gave bad results when mixed. so blood must be clean to fight horseback
and the land they settled was too bad for agriculture, they often raided neighboring villages for winterstocks. lastest raid was done in 1928 according to archives. over 40 ppl were found guilty but set free
karteorhan 4 weeks ago
@Lordofthenipplerings those paintings are art. even greeks painted in such art were looked like that. and persia was using those figures long before mongol invasion
actually, islam was forcing people to do that kind of art. according to islam, its forbidden to make pepoles faces. it was understood like "god created ppl as superior, a human cant draw u like god did" so arabs never did paintings. turks, persians made drawings differently. they just represent ppl, like cartoons :)
karteorhan 4 weeks ago
@karteorhan "Miniature painting became a significant Persian genre in the 13th century, receiving Chinese influence after the Mongol conquests, and the highest point in the tradition was reached in the 15th and 16th centuries...The conventions of Persian miniatures changed slowly; faces are normally youthful and seen in three-quarters view, with a plump rounded lower face better suited to portraying typical Central Asian or Chinese features than those of most Persians".
Lordofthenipplerings 4 weeks ago
Turkiyeden Kazak kardaslarima selamalr...
Qutayf 2 months ago
Tüm kandaşlarıma selam olsun
TheKavkazTurk 2 months ago
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Ivazhka 3 months ago
керуен тобының өлендерін қайдан жазуға болады?
Zhanibek1995 8 months ago
@Zhanibek1995 KERUENNIN OLENDERIN MPOISK.COM DEGEN SAITTA JAZUGA BOLADI
zhanibekuka 6 months ago
Жақайым Нұртуған жырау - Қанекей, тілім, сөйлеші
Mergen005 8 months ago
kop yaxshi! raxmat! kazak bavurlarima kop selamlar!
xorrot16 9 months ago
S U P E R !
megagangsta007 11 months ago
Süper. Söylenecek birşey yok. Süper. Eskişehir Türkiyeden selam.
mihaldemir 1 year ago
Selam dostlarim !!!!! Ben TURKUM ve biz Turkler bu dunyanin en güclu insaniz
Allah TURKU KORUSUN
ThePhilosophie1 1 year ago
kazakkk :))
grafcenk06 1 year ago
Bu müzigin adi nedir?
akocsg 1 year ago
@akocsg
Nurtugan jirau termesi
jarkii1000 6 months ago
@jarkii1000 Sagol kardeshim.
akocsg 6 months ago
An TAMASHA eken!!!
max1989x1 1 year ago
neyce bu ya hiç anlamadım kazakça kırgızca olsa anlardım özbekçemi tacikçemi ne
musa7040 1 year ago
@musa7040 maşalla epbirevlerin annap cürgen kişi ekensin lakin kazak ayrılgan soyun annagan yoksun ay:))
grafcenk06 1 year ago 3
cok guzel!!!
Yakuzarecordings 1 year ago
Hangi film bu ?
caferuluc 1 year ago
@caferuluc filmin adi nomad
aseltan 1 year ago
@aseltan Teşekkür ederim...
caferuluc 1 year ago
ablay han sen butun ulu kazak turk milletini ayni sancakta topladin, dirilde gel ey aksakal ATATURKUMUZ gibi, yada sen gel buyuk MUSTAFA KEMAL, butun dunya kilicimiz altinda boyun eglesin!! nal seslermiz heryerde duyulsun bu kutlu yolda kanimiz aksin oluk oluk kan alalim oluk oluk TEK GERCEK TURAN yasasin BİRLESMİS TURK IMPARATORLUGU
sahinmustafa2003 1 year ago
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sahinmustafa2003 1 year ago
helal olsun kazak gardaslar
tebbir getirerek, uluyarak yürüyün.
yiraktaki 1 year ago
bizler türküz bir ölürüz binlerce diriliriz yasasin baba yurt özgür türkistanimiz
yeniceri40 1 year ago
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Kaygi tilm sölleshay körsetip köpke önerdi
Kizil tilim jer sesi tuvgan danak sheberdi
Kim tindaydy sözindi bolmasa asem menerli
Basi bughi boladi bolsa jigit hönerli
Dünyedegi jandini bir..... biri tömendi
Algada moyin nazibedi kumar jigit minedi
Alghir bürkit boz bala askar tauda tüneydi
Altay kizil ak sama kiyashinda jüredi
Jigittin artik abzali önerine senedi!!!!!
teomankhan 1 year ago
Saol kardaş
team1tr 2 years ago
Süper müzik- Muzika öte tamasha- Musik ist super
zakstanli 2 years ago
Tanri Turku butun etniklerden uca yaratmish.
Turkler bir yumruq olunca, tekrar Dunya Turkundur!
Azerbaycan 2 years ago 6
sorry bozkurt ben karistiridm bu nomade filminden arkadas dogru soledi yaww
matkasim2904 2 years ago
bozkurt klip cengiz han filmnden
matkasim2904 2 years ago
Emegine saglik, ama hangi cengiz han filminden.
´´Mongol´´ adli filminden degil çünkü..
BozkurtSoylu53 2 years ago
Dostum bu sahneler" Nomad" adlı bir filmden..Film,ırkdaşımız Kazaklarla bugün ki Kalmukların atası olan kuzenlerimiz Cungarların birbirleriyle savaşını anlatır
TurkoTartarian 2 years ago
Emegine saglik yüce Türk Irkina sahip olan yoldasim.
Yasasin Dogu Türkistan !!!
BozkurtSoylu53 2 years ago
:) yok estafirullah asıl bu klibi yapan kardeşimizin eline emeğine sağlık bizimkisi basit bir bilgi verme acizane
TurkoTartarian 2 years ago
Klip hangi filmden? Bilen varmi soydaslar.
BozkurtSoylu53 2 years ago
Nomad Kazak the Warrior
(Savaşçı Gezgin Kazak)
ismi bu şekilde olmalı
sarayli78 2 years ago 3
Qazaq-türkiye---> TÜRK--->ata
BOZBEYTUG 2 years ago 4
tek kelime ile harika
elinize ve emeğinize sağlık
sarayli78 2 years ago 4
Paylasim icin sag ol Soydas.
UnbeatableTurk 2 years ago 5
jürü kazak yehit
menin jerim menim elim ulu Kazakistan
jakzi musik tamaska
MIRACONE 2 years ago 23
Batır Türüktr,
Köp Cakshi Yörektin sav bol.
Türük balasar, Türüktür, bashka tuvul!!
Türük Soyu Savbolsın!
Kuday Türükter Kut Bersin!!
Nogayoglan 2 years ago 11
бұл өленiн создерiнi тенгдaп жaзұв керек
altayis 2 years ago
-.-
64Scarface64 2 years ago
Qazaqim mykty goi!!
Atillaqazaq 2 years ago 6
Alga KazaKtar!!!!!
DJALAIR 2 years ago 4
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is this about Mongols? I kno tt Mongols invaded all th way even to Poland, so nowonder alot of people in Kazak loks chinese. Bet alot of raping went on a thousand years ago
Auntorious9 2 years ago
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DJALAIR 2 years ago
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Ha ha noo..... I'm Chinese, but i live in Myanmar in south east asia. Chinese are all over the place, Kazak loks like chinese..
Auntorious9 2 years ago
Qazaq looks not like chinese, because chinese are ugly!!
Qazaqs are not ugly !!
TTKTURAN 2 years ago 48
Then if you know the history, u should know that in Chenghis Khan's army were turkic tribes like Nayman, Kereys, Argyns, Kypshaks and many others. So before commenting here please learn.
semavatkz 2 years ago 6
@Auntorious9 Mongol empire was combination of Turkic and Mongol tribles
Army ratio was 2 mongol 8 Turk Armies led by Turks there was not a single mongol general or warlord
Also Cenghiz was Turk too(tatar)
Mongols asimilated under turks
Kazaks doesn't look like chinise there's some features smilar but it's normal both of them Mongoloid (Means asia center origin) and chinise were integrating with turks since ancient times we call them Weakling/Halfling race tho because Turks allways been > Chinise
Regalya 9 months ago
KOP RAHMET AKAY.
ALTINORDALI 2 years ago 7
kop rakhmet janym, kop yakshi, besh yuldiz !!
AZER1FIGHTER 2 years ago 7
Tengri razy bolsyn sizden bul jaksy klipter uchun
Aman bolyngyz kymbatti altayis bawrym
TTKTURAN 3 years ago 10
audiosi bar ma? emailga bere alasin ba?
IbragimKZ 3 years ago 3
Altayis'ten dosyayı alabildin mi?
çünkü ben de istiyorum
sarayli78 2 years ago 2