Dev and his 'neutral' republican cohorts deserve to die in auschwitz, helping the nazis win the battle of the Atlantic, eternal shame on them, to the Irishmen who fought for freedom, we salute you, your battle against nazis in europe and sympathisers in Ireland is truly magnificent.
@garethella Imagine being British and not knowing that the allies actually WON the Battle of the Atlantic against the Nazis and at the same time suggesting the neutral Irish should have been gassed - a war crime. I bet you can't even walk and chew gum at the same time.
@jratt2 , what are you talking about you imbecile, read it again and apologise to me in a grovelling fashion, and chewing gum is an activity only a commoner would partake.
Dev and his 'neutral' republican cohorts deserve to die in auschwitz, helping the nazis win the battle of the Atlantic'...
UK won the Battle of the Atlantic and the Eire did not help the Nazis, you commoner.
Neutrality is a democratic entitlement. If other countries were engaged in a 'war for democracy', it should be accepted that Irish neutrality was the price of democracy. But YOU want to gas them, like a Nazi.
@jratt2 ,well you gave them houses and jobs and new identities, you helped them hide , with your bosom buds in the catholic church, your "country" should feel a deep sense of shame, which of course it wont , you irish always try and justify your reprehensible actions, how absolutely nauseating, all im saying is you should apologise NOW.
@garethella Typical faux self-righteous anti-Irish bile from a simian with a keyboard. For a full account of how your country provided jobs and new identities former Nazis, read David Cesarani's 'Justice Delayed - How Britain became a refuge for Nazi war criminals". Its shocking. Once you have come to terms with your hypocrisy, you can return here and acknowledge all the ways Eire assisted your country during WW2 you ungrateful commoner and apologise for insulting me with your ignorance.
@ChristianPatriarchy I'm not a Catholic, but I'll pass on your diagnosis to my Catholic countrymen. They'll be thrilled, I'm sure, especially by your Christian love.
This is typical Dev! Ignore the Big picture, i.e. the Conflict of Democracy vs Fascism in Europe/World and instead let us only speak about NI! He's incredibly frustrating, and blinkered! If it doesn't affect Eire, I don't care!
The man was a pedant & parochial fool! What the hell would ireland have been under Uncle Adolf?
Why the hell would the Luftwaffe waste valuable resources, and overfly all the UK's heavy industry to bomb Ireland's fields? Belfast alone was a strategic target, and it was in the War! The rest of Ireland would have been like bombing Highland Scotland, i.e. a total waste of bombs!
Never mind the Moral argument, that SOMEONE had to stop the world's greatest murderer, eh?
@DonegalRaymie201 The towns they would obviously bomb.....Dublin.Cork and the towns that had the ports Churchhill wanted us to hand back.Many people would have been killed,if we had given the British those ports we would have been a nesessary military target because of it.
Don't talk crap! Where were the strategic targets? Where were the munitions factories, steel works & heavy industry? There was only one target in all Ireland, Belfast! And it was already in the war!
You only have to look at our nearest neighbour, Scotland, to see how much bombing we would have received. So tell me where she was bombed then & why?
Many sailors WERE killed because we didn't let the Allies use our ports! And at least we be able to say: "we helped where we could!"
@DonegalRaymie201 Bomb fields? They would have bombed towns and cities. You make it sound the Luftwaffe wouldnt bother bombing towns and cities south of the border when in actual fact they did bomb Dublin. Co. Wexford, Sandycove, Co. Monaghan, Co. Meath, Co. Carlow,Co.Kildare, Co. Wicklow. Dundalk was bombed also.
"Where were the strategic targets? Where were the munitions factories, steel works & heavy industry? There was only one target in all Ireland, Belfast! And it was already in the war!
You only have to look at our nearest neighbour, Scotland, to see how much bombing we would have received."
Why would the Nazis fly further & over the real, strategic targets in Industrial UK to bomb Eire?
@DonegalRaymie201 There wasnt only one target in Ireland they bombed several areas over there. They dropped bombs all over Ireland north and south of the border, and that was with Eire being neutral do you dispute this fact?
Christ, try reading what I wrote! There was but one STRATEGIC target in all Ireland, Belfast! Eire had no heavy industry or munitions factories, Christ, the Irish rebels had to buy guns from Germany, as we had NO arms made here!
In War, you concentrate your efforts like your bombs! Where they will do the greatest harm to your enemy!
Now, with that "revelation" in mind, where would you bomb if you were Hitler?
(Ever wonder why London & industrial Midlands were the prime targets?)
@DonegalRaymie201 You said strategic and then said Belfast was the only target when they bombed Dublin also amonst other places. Belfast was the main target but they would have bombed other Irish cities heavily if Eire joined the war as punishment and you know it. They bombed Dublin for Éire accepting refugees from Belfast. They would have done alot more had Ireland not been neutral.
The few stray bombs that fell on North Strand in Dublin, were claimed to be accidental by the Luftwaffe. They paid compensation for it!
Try reading what I already wrote: "You only have to look at our nearest neighbour, Scotland, to see how much bombing we would have received." Glasgow alone had more than half of all Scots casualties. Any idea why & what it & Belfast have in common?
@DonegalRaymie201 Stray? What a load of rubbish they targeted a train station in Dublin and would have pounded cities across Ireland to terrorise the public and the government in Dublin into submission had they joined with the Allies.
That's what the Nazis claimed! And why did they pay compensation, if it was intended?
I notice you ignore my main point however? "You only have to look at our nearest neighbour, Scotland, to see how much bombing we would have received." Glasgow alone had more than half of all Scots casualties. Any idea why & what it & Belfast have in common?
And the Blitz was over by June '41 anyway!"
And why did 60,000 Irishmen join the Allies in WW2? Mmm?
@jimmy27paul I agree. I think your comment is logical. Eirewas defenceless and while Dublin and Cork would have borne the brunt of it I think Waterford, Rosslare, Arklow, Drogheda and Dundalk - any port with a link to the UK - would have been a priority too.
Dev should have leased the treaty ports back to the British, or for that matter to the US Navy, but remained nominally 'neutral.' So long as the cheques for the leases cleared, who cares? The Portuguese did something similar to that for the Azores. That would bring revenue to Eire, it would give thousands of Irish jobs and whatever improvements the Brits/ Americans made would fall into Irish hands after the war. Besides that, it would close the 'Greenland air gap' and help in allied covoying.
@lsnows I think your argument is weak. The Azores were outside the range of the Luftwaffe as was Portugal itself. Eire was not and any Irish Government would have to consider the implications of Luftwaffe attacks on an Irish population that did not wish to be involved in the war before any perceived economic benefit.
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ChristianPatriarchy 4 months ago
Dev and his 'neutral' republican cohorts deserve to die in auschwitz, helping the nazis win the battle of the Atlantic, eternal shame on them, to the Irishmen who fought for freedom, we salute you, your battle against nazis in europe and sympathisers in Ireland is truly magnificent.
garethella 9 months ago
@garethella Imagine being British and not knowing that the allies actually WON the Battle of the Atlantic against the Nazis and at the same time suggesting the neutral Irish should have been gassed - a war crime. I bet you can't even walk and chew gum at the same time.
jratt2 6 months ago
@jratt2 , what are you talking about you imbecile, read it again and apologise to me in a grovelling fashion, and chewing gum is an activity only a commoner would partake.
garethella 6 months ago
@garethella Okay...
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Dev and his 'neutral' republican cohorts deserve to die in auschwitz, helping the nazis win the battle of the Atlantic'...
UK won the Battle of the Atlantic and the Eire did not help the Nazis, you commoner.
Neutrality is a democratic entitlement. If other countries were engaged in a 'war for democracy', it should be accepted that Irish neutrality was the price of democracy. But YOU want to gas them, like a Nazi.
Apologise my arse.
jratt2 6 months ago
@jratt2 ,well you gave them houses and jobs and new identities, you helped them hide , with your bosom buds in the catholic church, your "country" should feel a deep sense of shame, which of course it wont , you irish always try and justify your reprehensible actions, how absolutely nauseating, all im saying is you should apologise NOW.
garethella 6 months ago
@garethella Typical faux self-righteous anti-Irish bile from a simian with a keyboard. For a full account of how your country provided jobs and new identities former Nazis, read David Cesarani's 'Justice Delayed - How Britain became a refuge for Nazi war criminals". Its shocking. Once you have come to terms with your hypocrisy, you can return here and acknowledge all the ways Eire assisted your country during WW2 you ungrateful commoner and apologise for insulting me with your ignorance.
jratt2 6 months ago
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ChristianPatriarchy 4 months ago
@ChristianPatriarchy I'm not a Catholic, but I'll pass on your diagnosis to my Catholic countrymen. They'll be thrilled, I'm sure, especially by your Christian love.
jratt2 3 months ago
This is typical Dev! Ignore the Big picture, i.e. the Conflict of Democracy vs Fascism in Europe/World and instead let us only speak about NI! He's incredibly frustrating, and blinkered! If it doesn't affect Eire, I don't care!
The man was a pedant & parochial fool! What the hell would ireland have been under Uncle Adolf?
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Yeah why not give the Germans a reason to bomb us flat....
jimmy27paul 1 year ago
@jimmy27paul
Why the hell would the Luftwaffe waste valuable resources, and overfly all the UK's heavy industry to bomb Ireland's fields? Belfast alone was a strategic target, and it was in the War! The rest of Ireland would have been like bombing Highland Scotland, i.e. a total waste of bombs!
Never mind the Moral argument, that SOMEONE had to stop the world's greatest murderer, eh?
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 The towns they would obviously bomb.....Dublin.Cork and the towns that had the ports Churchhill wanted us to hand back.Many people would have been killed,if we had given the British those ports we would have been a nesessary military target because of it.
jimmy27paul 1 year ago
@jimmy27paul
Don't talk crap! Where were the strategic targets? Where were the munitions factories, steel works & heavy industry? There was only one target in all Ireland, Belfast! And it was already in the war!
You only have to look at our nearest neighbour, Scotland, to see how much bombing we would have received. So tell me where she was bombed then & why?
Many sailors WERE killed because we didn't let the Allies use our ports! And at least we be able to say: "we helped where we could!"
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Bomb fields? They would have bombed towns and cities. You make it sound the Luftwaffe wouldnt bother bombing towns and cities south of the border when in actual fact they did bomb Dublin. Co. Wexford, Sandycove, Co. Monaghan, Co. Meath, Co. Carlow,Co.Kildare, Co. Wicklow. Dundalk was bombed also.
lllIIIIIIlll 1 year ago
@lllIIIIIIlll
Already answered this:
"Where were the strategic targets? Where were the munitions factories, steel works & heavy industry? There was only one target in all Ireland, Belfast! And it was already in the war!
You only have to look at our nearest neighbour, Scotland, to see how much bombing we would have received."
Why would the Nazis fly further & over the real, strategic targets in Industrial UK to bomb Eire?
And the Blitz was over by June '41 anyway!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 There wasnt only one target in Ireland they bombed several areas over there. They dropped bombs all over Ireland north and south of the border, and that was with Eire being neutral do you dispute this fact?
lllIIIIIIlll 1 year ago
@lllIIIIIIlll
Christ, try reading what I wrote! There was but one STRATEGIC target in all Ireland, Belfast! Eire had no heavy industry or munitions factories, Christ, the Irish rebels had to buy guns from Germany, as we had NO arms made here!
In War, you concentrate your efforts like your bombs! Where they will do the greatest harm to your enemy!
Now, with that "revelation" in mind, where would you bomb if you were Hitler?
(Ever wonder why London & industrial Midlands were the prime targets?)
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 You said strategic and then said Belfast was the only target when they bombed Dublin also amonst other places. Belfast was the main target but they would have bombed other Irish cities heavily if Eire joined the war as punishment and you know it. They bombed Dublin for Éire accepting refugees from Belfast. They would have done alot more had Ireland not been neutral.
lllIIIIIIlll 1 year ago
@lllIIIIIIlll
The few stray bombs that fell on North Strand in Dublin, were claimed to be accidental by the Luftwaffe. They paid compensation for it!
Try reading what I already wrote: "You only have to look at our nearest neighbour, Scotland, to see how much bombing we would have received." Glasgow alone had more than half of all Scots casualties. Any idea why & what it & Belfast have in common?
And the Blitz was over by June '41 anyway!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Stray? What a load of rubbish they targeted a train station in Dublin and would have pounded cities across Ireland to terrorise the public and the government in Dublin into submission had they joined with the Allies.
lllIIIIIIlll 1 year ago
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@lllIIIIIIlll
That's what the Nazis claimed! And why did they pay compensation, if it was intended?
I notice you ignore my main point however? "You only have to look at our nearest neighbour, Scotland, to see how much bombing we would have received." Glasgow alone had more than half of all Scots casualties. Any idea why & what it & Belfast have in common?
And the Blitz was over by June '41 anyway!"
And why did 60,000 Irishmen join the Allies in WW2? Mmm?
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
@jimmy27paul I agree. I think your comment is logical. Eirewas defenceless and while Dublin and Cork would have borne the brunt of it I think Waterford, Rosslare, Arklow, Drogheda and Dundalk - any port with a link to the UK - would have been a priority too.
jratt2 1 year ago
Dev should have leased the treaty ports back to the British, or for that matter to the US Navy, but remained nominally 'neutral.' So long as the cheques for the leases cleared, who cares? The Portuguese did something similar to that for the Azores. That would bring revenue to Eire, it would give thousands of Irish jobs and whatever improvements the Brits/ Americans made would fall into Irish hands after the war. Besides that, it would close the 'Greenland air gap' and help in allied covoying.
lsnows 2 years ago
@lsnows I think your argument is weak. The Azores were outside the range of the Luftwaffe as was Portugal itself. Eire was not and any Irish Government would have to consider the implications of Luftwaffe attacks on an Irish population that did not wish to be involved in the war before any perceived economic benefit.
jratt2 1 year ago