Multiple attackers vs. Samurai Jujutsu

[ronnie9137]

Your uki otosh was amazing at the end I want to learn that one

[HairofSteel555]

It's funny. I keep hearing BJJ is good against multiple attackers, but I'm not seeing any video proof of it?

[asianboiswag23]

I know this is training but it's q bit slow. Like if that would really happen you wouldn't have enough time to do that.

[Pyxo8888]

strike and push until you get an opening to run. you don't know who they are, what they have on them, what they have (hiv, hep c) or what there capable of doing if they get you down. A few years ago in my city 3 young boys in a gang tortured and killed 1 young boy there age. they were 13-15 they gouged out his eyes, and jumped on him from ontop of a bleacher. he was just a normal boy. just run.

[SUPERSTUD6000]

homos

[giovaniabomai]

we know this is a training drill

but this is an horrible training drill

[TheRushingWind]

If you train for your attackers to politely wait whilst erroneously claiming they're "multiple" attackers, then it's obvious a real fight won't turn out anything like that. If it's NOT a "real deal" multiple attack training video, DON'T CALL IT ONE!

[lailide]

looks more like judo

[Raisorblade]

the worst defence ever

[diavarezable]

LOOL

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

Hey guys, this is a training drill, if it was real, there would be blood and broken bones. I find it works better to train semi-controlled to get the flow of the situation, in real life, no one knows what is going to happen, just hope it turns out like training. It's pretty fast and automatic in real life. Just take this for what it is.

[qzniel]

yeah, this is so effective when it's choreographed. lol. this is hilarious.

[khazal12]

you do realise people don't wait for you to finish beating up one guy before attacking. if you're up against 3 people, 3 people are going to rush you all at the same time. you may grab one of them, or punch one or two of them, but the 3rd is gonna punt you in the face.

[bigmanoooo1]

@khazal12 ive seen 3rd and 4th dans practicing defense against multiple attackers at the dojo i train at and usually they dont wait and its far more scrappy than this video is, the attacks in this video look very choreographed

[dirosaga]

the uki attacks were a joke, nobody attacks like that in real life. They are exxagerated and for the sake of training. assuming you know that this video is a training excercise, and not actualy 100% realistic, than i have nothing against this video

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@dirosaga I agree with you on the uke attacks with the exception of the stick strickes you can hear the impact of the strike even over the music. They were a little hesitant to strike as they new the outcome, and were kind of afraid of getting hurt, which is understandable, even in a drill situation, it's easy to get hurt. I mean even the wrist move was modified to keep from breaking his wrist. So, of course it's not 100% realistic or people would have had broken bones. Which doesn't help.

[ViralMessiah]

never,ever let the enemy keep his weapon.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@ViralMessiah All the knives were taken away and the stick was taken away, the last guy was stabbed through the rib and the lung the tip piercing the heart, so him having a stick was no consequence.

[Deathclok]

You guys realize this is a demonstration? Steven Segall's demo's had him do this too with aikido. This doesn't really work against multiple opponents. I'm sure that even if he stopped one, he'd get a bunch of cuts from a knife while the others would engage him with weapons and manhandle him. Traditional japanese ju jutsu is outdated. Judo was better, and it was later perfected by the brazillians as brazillian jiu jitsu (no relationship to japanese/samurai ju jutsu)

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok What are you talking about? Judo is Ju-Jutsu, but some of the more dangerous throws, locks and chokes are not allowed in competition rules. Many Judoka also train in Ju-Jutsu as well. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is similar too, though I don't know enough about it to comment.

[Deathclok]

@redwarrj1 Judo does NOT equal Ju Jutsu. They are two different arts. Judo creator Kano himself would choke you for saying that. ju Jutsu is different. BJJ is completely different from judo or jujutsu. It's been so heavily modified you cannot even call it the same. fact

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok I probably should have worded that better, but the point remains. I know they are two separate arts now, but they share the same root. Kano was a Jujutsu practitioner and pretty much everything you will find on a Judo syllabus could quite easily be found on a Jujutsu syllabus as well.

[Deathclok]

@redwarrj1 No not everythiing you find in judo is Ju jutsu. That's absolutely ridiculous. Go back to studying

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok I take your point that it is unlikely that everything from Judo NOW is also to be found in Ju-Jutsu, but aside from a particular style of competition, I can't think of anything to be honest.

[Deathclok]

@redwarrj1 It wasn't even really influenced by Ju Jutsu if you researched it. Otherwise by that logic I could say Karate was influenced by boxing, cause Karate has punches in it. It was it's own thing. Traditional japanese ju jutsu is outdated... to BJJ

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok As far as I know, the lineage is as follows. Judo was derived from traditional Ju-Jutsu by Jigoro Kano, who was himself a formidible Ju-Jutsu practitioner. In turn and much later, Brazilian Ju-Jutsu was derived from Judo by Helio Gracie (as I said I don't know much about BJJ, but if wikipedia is to be believed, then this is the case and having seen a few classes and fights on you tube I would go with that, though it certainly deserves to be called a separate style).

[Deathclok]

@redwarrj1 Kano himself did not at all consider his art in any way or form Ju Jutsu. Bruce Lee practiced Wing Chun, yet JKD is not wing chun. But BJJ itself has evolved so much it does not even look at all like Judo

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok Actually for a time, Judo was known as a Jutsu, but many of the differences can be traced to the difference between a do and a jutsu (jutsu being the old school killing art and do being the more practice-friendly peacetime form of the art). As to BJJ looking like Judo, I'm sorry but it does look a lot like Judo, though perhaps with one or two takedown moves that you would be unwise to try with a good Judoka.

[redwarrj1]

Actually, my last comment about BJJ was a bit of a cheap shot and belies the fact that BJJ is a very effective martial art and has an exceptionally good reputation for good groundwork

[Deathclok]

@redwarrj1 Jutsu DOES not Equal Ju jutsu.

Learn basics first then get back to me, you're kinda falling over your own foot

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok I didn't say that. What I said was that there is often a distinction made between DO and JUTSU. Jutsu used on its own today can mean many things ranging from Ju-Jutsu to yawara and karate-jutsu, but generally refers to older traditional forms of Japanese martial arts.

[Deathclok]

@redwarrj1 Jutsu means ART or SKILL not purely A martial art. It could be referring to anything You have to do more research

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok I know that is what the Japanese means, but I fail to see how calling something the art rather than the gentle art invalidates its martial connotations.

[Deathclok]

@redwarrj1 Cause it's not called that.

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok @Deathclok This is the last post I am going to make here as I think I am wasting my time here, BUT, Jutsu, as used by Terry Wingorove Hanshi amongst others refers to traditional Japanese martial art.

[Deathclok]

@redwarrj1 Traditional Japanese martial arts SUCK

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok You're really not qualified to make that statement

[Deathclok]

@redwarrj1 Actually I am, you may want to look at bullshido to see that.

Do you see any Japanese martial arts in modern MMA? No. Don't even say Lyoto machida because his style i so heavily modified it looks more like Kickboxing than Karate. Even renown Japanese wrestler and Karateka Inoki said what his karate is is no longer traditional or Japanese Karate.

[redwarrj1]

@Deathclok Not this old chestnut? You can do better than it doesn't come up in MMA fights surely!

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@Deathclok Haha....bring it on, only because you obviously have never gone against a highly trained traditional practioner. You'll soon realize it's no joke. See I have an advantage I have sparred with MMA champions, but you my friend have never sparred with a traditional Japanese practiioner, that is obvioous. Because it is the Original mixed martial art. That's what MMA is without the rules. It;s japanese ju-jutsu. But unlike many mma competitors I have trained in this style for years.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@Deathclok You don't understand what it truly means ore ever will, until you have traveled the path. How old are you by the way. Come down and spar with me and if I can not submit you 30 times in an hour then then yes I will agree with you that traditional arts suck, but if I can then you must learn the path to get there, it will change your life for the better, and make you a great martial artist. Also, I consider keeling over after a strike a sign of submission.

[Deathclok]

@JeffreyJamesLippold Just to let you know only one post came through, this one. So I'll reply to it.

I have a better idea. Go to Bullshido(dot)com and go to the throwdown forums. Request a throwdown and they'll send someone in your area, a fighter, to have a full contact fight with you and someone film it. prove you can beat MMA on film, or prove Bullshido right. Again.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@Deathclok I am sure there is some Steroid Pushin' Wrestler that could slam my head through the wall out there somewhere. That wasn't the point I was making. I just wanted to show you. No disrespect. You sound like you just wanted some proof that something works. I am okay with that.

[Deathclok]

@JeffreyJamesLippold they actually won't fit you with someone twice your size. They will get someone in your weight class unless you want him OR her lighter (yes they will even give you a female to fight if you want). If you really believe your art works then prove it. There are others who talked like you and walked the walk, and fell. the fact is 9/10 TMa's do NOT work. If otherwise, prove it, they will film it and you can make history.

[TheReaITooney]

@redwarrj1 You need to do your goddamn research kid!

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@Deathclok I understand your thinking, but I disagree, in a match with rules yes, but traditional ju-jutsu was meant for the battle field with no rules. Give you an example, Bjj guy shoots in around the waist "like they like to do." No rules, traditional ju-jutsu practioner spikes his head into the hard ground with rocks. and corner throws the body over while not taking the head with Game over. I will agree that BJJ is pretty good when it comes to no striking competition with rules.

[Deathclok]

@JeffreyJamesLippold You really think it's that easy to "spike his head" into the ground ? Really? Why don't guys in the UFC do that? It's a totally legal move.

Funny thing is, back when the gracie challenge was initiated, they were vale tudo fights. They were in closed off areas but there weren't many rules aside from weapons. Any style, any attack, any height or weight. NO one was able to do that, because it's a lot harder to do in an alive situation than thinking it will play out IN a demo.

[martiallaw09]

@Deathclok I used to be a member of the 'knee the head, kick the knee, pull the hair' etc crowd...and now I get extremely pissed off when I see others spouting the same rubbish. Unfortunately it seems that the only way to convert them is to actually SHOW them how futile their 'deadly street fighting' techniques are.

[Deathclok]

@martiallaw09 Morons. They probably won't ever expect it. Then they'll use the "Oh well I'm not a master" and when a "Master" is beaten, they'll say "Oh he's not a real master of (insert bullshit martial art here), the real ones are in (insert country of asia). Ha.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@redwarrj1 Me neither, I think Deathclock just hasn't been trained in that style. I think he needs to experience what no rules truly means. It will be a life changing experience one way or another, hell Bruce lee experienced it from Wally Jay? He ended up being Wally Jay's student.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@Deathclok No that is truth. I have not seen one throw or hold that judo does that I have not learned in Ju-jutsu. But then again I am trained in Judo as well. The difference is the way they train, that's all. Judo training is more physical, with less emphasis on weapons and small joint techniques. They practice the less is more principle, perfect a few basic techniques is better than learning a million. However when you train 30 years you learn that sometimes less is just less,

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@Deathclok All the moves in Judo are from Ju-jutsu, so you definitely can call judo a piece of ju-jutsu, but not the whole puzzle. Ju-jutsu takes too long for people to master and too many people get hurt from using Ju-jutsu moves. You like MMA, well watch the video where The Gracie Killer puts a jujutsu move on Renzo Gracie, and twists his arm into directions that the arm didn't agree with, the speed of the joint breaking is the key to the move and the reason it is not allowed in mma.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@Deathclok youtube.com/watch?v=ge34hs-4PK­k&feature=related

[Deathclok]

@JeffreyJamesLippold youtube.com/watch?v=uzhtFm6InF­Y

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@Deathclok We can always give it a try? True this is just a drill, not really a demonstration, but you can meet me anytime and I will throw a knife in your hand and we can see how many times I get cut. Let's see how outdated this stuff is. Remember that it was designed to defend against swords and knives. That was the whole purpose of this art, so to call it outdated is just insanity.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

but defeated they will be.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

If they come at you all at once, it's easier, you just roll out of the way and watch them hit each other. I will disagree and agree with you. One) I have been jumped by multiple over 5 guys, 3 times, that I remember. Sometimes they attack you one at a time sometimes they come at you all at once. But mostly one at a time, as they usually like to watch until they see a clean opening. It's gang mentality, they are use to beating people up, so they do not expect to be defeated,

[Anandfulness]

This is not realistic. In real life they would come at you simultaneously.

[ofomatheblackbelt]

@Anandfulness not all the time

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

@EvilDarkJackel I would run. But, your right, I am just crazy enough to try that, Best comment I have heard yet. Thanks for the idea. Any suggestion on the type of shock rod?

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

Then get him down.

[wangdangboombong]

There are 3 guys but why do they still only come after him 1 at a time?

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

lol...I know!, then the video would last 10 seconds instead of 20, but it wouldn't feel too good to have someone thrown into you while you are trying to attack. But the attacks could have came a little quicker if they wanted to get me, still wouldn't have worked but I agree it would have been fun!

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

Also, on one of the attackers you will notice he just seems to go down, without much of an attack? Watch closer...045 sec stepping into his start up of a swing pulling his arm with the attack and then finally sweeping the legs while redirecting his body at 05 sec. If you slow it down you can actually learn more about positions and balance. These are the two most important things in battle.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

lol...I have practiced this way, but you quickly run out of people willing to practice. It's too difficult to do safely. Generally whenever someone counters they usually get hurt worse. But, like I said these are just training drills to prepare you for the situations. Of which, they have served me well. I am unaware of who or when the attack is coming.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

Fair Enough. I have been in hand to hand situations with a knife, hair pick, and sticks, and it has served me well. I didn't, however, stop to ask their training,.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

Notice the knife takeaway and switches between attacks. Moving attacks with multiple attackers is the only way to train, this is actually the traditional way to train, because opponents are not going to stand still for you to do your techniques, and fights are rarely one on one. Usually 3 or more on 1. What do you think the attackers friends are going to do when you are defeating them...right..they are going to jump in. So be prepared!

[Bisho23288]

Your techniques and comments are about right to defend lower skilled fighters and some bar fights.

[JeffreyJamesLippold]

lol, well different techniques against different opponents.