The Inimitable Quran: by Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

[bvmrlee]

Islam the best

[qharoon17]

The hamza below its an atheist with no life

[qharoon17]

The hamza below is fake its not him don't listen to him

[StopSpamming1]

The challenge of bringing a chapter like in the Koran has been met many times. But there is no objective criteria to judge a book, painting, song or photo.

Tzortzis brings the same 5 arguments all the time, even though they have been destroyed many times.

The Koran has faulty grammar, bad style and nonsensical verses.

Eloquent? Like 113:5 "and from the evil of an envier when he envies."

53:54 “And covered them by that which He covered”?

Can Allah only express himself in Arabic?

[exposemyfoes]

@ModePedo okay thats good for u each to their won way but one fact is that wars to do with secular athiesm have killed more than religious wars please dont swear at the god we believe in or our prophets if u truly believe athiests are more civilised than prove it by being unoffensive

[exposemyfoes]

@ModePedo funny how u mention the big bang theory do u know that its mentioned in the quran 1400 years ago so how did the quran know about the big bang if it aint divine my next question to u is who made the bug bang happen do u really believe the big bang happened by accident

[exposemyfoes]

@ModePedo actually many scientists believe in god do u really believe the whole world came out of nothing without a creator than your the one who aint thinking straight  god created us to worship him and do good deeds if u dont wanna believe that than thats your opinion but tell me why your on this youtube page swearing at our god and prophet why dont u go your way and leave us to go our way

[exposemyfoes]

@exposemyfoes another thing is look at this from a business point of view if your right and their is no god than when i die nothing will happen except i will turn to dust but on the other hand if i'm right when u die your going to hell to burn so economically speaking u would have nothing to lose by believing in god

[exposemyfoes]

@ModePedo tell ya the truth yes i do fear my lord but only because i know one they i will have to account for my bad behaviour but i also love my lord if u dont believe in god than what are your views on our existence because even scientists are realising that the world is too complex to have come with out a creator and i dont mind if u swear at me lol but can u please promise not to insult allah or our prophet again you can express your views against them but please dont swear thanks

[exposemyfoes]

@ModePedo u know what i m not gonna reply to u because your very offensive and unless u repent your gonna face severe punishment my brother allah is the same god arab jews and christians believe in so unless your an athiest your swearing at your own god how come u cant dominate afghanistan and iraq with all your superior weapons  unless u apologise i wont carry on conversing with u may u be guided to the truth

[exposemyfoes]

@ModePedo it is gonna dominate the world thats a fact but if we used force to spread across the world than explain y your british and european and american people are queing up to join such a "barbaric" religion

[exposemyfoes]

@ModePedo please dont insult our prophet like that its not nice

[EbsNhexz]

@ModePedo I hate terrorists..that does not mean i hate muslims. I dont like the IRA much either, but i dont hate all northern irish catholics. Its not about being politically correct, i just know who i belive is good or bad regardless of their religion. Someone who kills people out of hate is a bastard and needs to be stoped, someone who prays to allah is doing nothing wrong.

[EbsNhexz]

@ModePedo After the islamic conquest, christians were allowed to live and follow thier faith in peace provided they pay a tax. However at the same point in hisory the vatican even executed fellow christians for having views which might oppose the holy see. So the old islamic sultans were far more civilised than the medieval christian kings. Im not a muslim, but it pisses me off when someone uses false analysis of history to support their predjudices.

[FarrisB927]

@ModePedo

hell yeah man. looks like you got your facts straight.

Umadbro?

[raju53]

wow,, very good,,,

mashallah

[JoeyBananaz]

@ModePedo What I hear is "I didn't watch this video, and already have a preconceived idea of what Islam is about because I heard some guy on the internet talk about it"

[MrSmartMuslim]

i have heard this bro .. is he debating with athiest all the time .. but mashallah he is so strong to the deen .. where is he from ? and is he a born muslim or a revert...:O just curious to know

[oombuddah]

this is not something you are born with.

God in the Qur'an said 'Truth stands clear from error'. The logic when it comes to deducing that this Book is from God is as simple as 1 + 1 = 2 If you conspire that it is the words and thoughts of Muhammad, you are contradicting science and scholarly consensus agreements. You will be the irrational one if you think it's from Muhammad pbuh.

It can't be from Satan. Qur'an is more anti-satan than the bible. It's ridiculously anti-satan.

[oombuddah]

If you actually listen to what he has to say - you would objectively come to know that the Qur'an is inimitable, there is no scientific explanation for what Muhammad pbuh managed to do. The modern psychological research is actual objective, hardcore research, not conspiracy. There is no alternative explanation. Especially if you take into account the specific historical case of Muhammad pbuh, even when he was confronted for the first time at the age of 40 in that supernatural experience.

[Baujahr89]

Salam u alaikum.

I am from germany and i cant understand some parts of the video unfortunately.

Could someone pls write the whole sentence.

I will make a list of the words which i cant understand.

"metrokel" 2:50

"Obary"4:00

"mise them toghether"4:18

"uperiolar" 5:30 "mytikial" "acerassy" is "unperiolar"5:31

"to be protated"5:38.

I hope any brother or sister can help me inshallah.

[TheOrthodoxable]

"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, the law of the spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death."

(Romans 8:1)

[Tareq88]

wa alaykum al-salaam

2:50 " rhythmical patterns"

4:00 Aubrey (name of an orientalist)

4:18 " Marries them together"

5:30 unparalleled

5:31 Meticulous accuracy is unparalleled

5:38 to be pertained

[ali12147]

lol, Ali sina, that sounds like an arab. I find it amazing how these christian missionaries use dirty tactics inorder to 'get some attention'. Just like the israeli's use people with american accents to speak for them to western media to try to justify their genocide's.

[123ekaf]

faithfreedom . org / debates / HamzaTzortzis . htm

Delete the spaces inbetween

and watch Hamza Tzortzis get DESTROYED by Ali Sina

[ahmarsidd]

Hey were you the user who I was discussing about if the linguistic miracle of Qur'an subjective or not?

[harmonicamajor]

I saw Ali's arguments. He did best in what he usually bests: Avoid arguments by talking about irrelevant issues.

[123ekaf]

Which parts were irrelevant?and what arguments did he avoid? Hamza was the one who could not answer the question! The debate was about 10 pages long. all hamza had to do was to explain the list of linguistic techniques and then say why they are not imitable and could only have come from god. he couldnt even do that in 10 pages. The burden of proof was on Hamza not Ali Sina! Peace you blinded fool.......looooooooooolll

[harmonicamajor]

you are a pathetic idiot. I am not your feces-cleaning nanny to tell you which parts were clear or not. The burden of proof is on the mal3oon ali sina bitch to understand what Hamza is saying and THEN refute that. Ali sina, whose mental capabilities were stolen away by a minute virus, has to make an effort fo udnerstanding those linguistic techniques and should not expect Hamza to spoon feed him. But hey, Ali Sina The Bitch wants to be spoon fed and get his feces cleaned. Does not work that way.

[harmonicamajor]

Ali Sina digressed at MANY parts. At some points he uses ad hominems and says Muhammad (pbuh) was "sick minded." This really has nothing to do with Hamza's argument. At other points Ali Sina, as he usually is, points out that reference to authority is useless. If I want to stick to this argument then hey, lets apply it to what Ali Sina as well. This means that Ali Sina's authority also does not mean anything.

[harmonicamajor]

Regarding why they are inimitable question, it is because its not possible for a human to include them with such a high frequency without sound like an lunatic who writes gibberish. On the contrary, Quran, based purely on its linguistic form, moves the greatest of Arabic poets, hence its not gibberish.

[123ekaf]

Haha.........nice to see you getting so angry.........and you still havent provided any proof! you just made excuses.you said its up to ali sina to undertand then refute it but if hamza dosent explain his point then how can he understand....u said ali sina has a mental virus, these are all personal insults u still havent proved anything! u urself dont understand the linguistic techniques. if u can then explain to me just one technique and why it is inimitable..

[123ekaf]

also why is it nt possible to include them with such high frequencies???? gibberish is gibberish no matter who it is written by, whether its god or a human it makes no difference........instead of getting angry and insulting people provide some empirical evidence........if you have no evidence then as you said the quran is a load of gibberish written by a lunatic

[harmonicamajor]

hahaha empirical evidence. Well, my insults were representing Ali Sina's inability to understand. What Hamza wrote, its perfectly understandable to me and many others. If Ali Sina cannot understand it, its his problem, not Hamza's. Regarding how the examples make it unique, you hve to first get educated in linguistics and then try to understand it. Hamza is not there to teach you linguistics. He is there to show how Quranic' language is unique.

[123ekaf]

hhahaha empirical evidence? why is that funny......just because something is understandable to you does not make it right..........still u cant give me one proof....ive tried to do research on these techniques and most of them dont exist and even if i was an expert in linguistics it still would not explain why it is inimitable . the quran is a book its value is based on its aesthetic merits.......hence it is subjective you cant objectivley say that this book is inimitable.

[harmonicamajor]

aesthetics is not a part of those linguistic techniques. On the contrary, aesthetics are subjective experiences which are evoked by the utilization of those very techniques. You do not even understand the argument, as you keep on parroting that aesthetics is a subjective experience, I resign to further argue with you.

[123ekaf]

also you said that if ali sina cannot understand it it his fault not hamza's. this is not an argument......its like me saying that harry potter ws written by god because it contains magical linguistic techniques that prove its written by god and if you cant understand it then its ur problem.....if i was to claim that then i would have to provide proof....just like you have to provide proof, which you cant do.

[oombuddah]

Ali Sina? Matching the surah like it? ahaha

P.S there are some christian apologists out there who say they have created a surah like it. But they have been exposed on a debate - what did they do? They took texts only from the Qur'an itself lol They suck.

[flewy]

subahanallah!!

[Janissary225]

Jazakallah khair for sharing this video

[RealTruth80]

Saying that the two components of aqeeda are the belief in Allah and the in the Quran is actually a summary of the classical view. Someone must believe Allah exists in order to become a Muslim. Then for that person to adopt other matters of aqeeda i.e. Allah's attributes etc that person must believe the Quran. If not, then anything the classical scholars say is redundant for him.The context of the talk is how to give dawah to non Muslim. So by aqeeda, he meant, Islamic intellectual foundations.

[hudders128]

As Hamza, the 2 main components of aqeeda are... god exists, and the quran is the word of god? This is not accurate from any classical sources. As i said in the email, not bashing you but allah says in the quran "ask them who sends down the rain, they will say Allah" very few deny the existance of Allah. And many accept the quran is from Allah, including the qureish. But "verily Allah has right of creation AND LEGISLATION" This is what is fought. This was the message of the prophets. OBEY Allah.

[ManifestationOfTruth]

@hudders128 Very few deny the existence of Allah? Are you sure about that brother? Perhaps that verse has a historical or textual context which refers primarily to those that the Prophet Muhammad (p) was revealing Islam to. They certainly knew of the existence of the "highest God", however, today, Atheism is on the verge more so than ever. Unless you mean - Atheists acknowledge the existence of that which governs the universe, but believe it not to be Conscious or "Aware".

[ManifestationOfTruth]

@ManifestationOfTruth Then, this could make sense. Most Atheists I have talked with, don't have a problem with the idea that the Universe is governed. They have a problem with Theists saying that God or Allah governs the universe. Many Atheists feel more comfortable with the idea that a mechanical set of laws is what governs the universe.

[hak2000]

rather self gratifying don't you think ;-)

[hak2000]

realtruth80R you want the real truth you cant handle the real truth

[RealTruth80]

I have just started with youtube and this talk is just amazing! MashAllah. Ive goodled this guy and his blog hamzatzortzis . blogspot. com is one of a kind for dawah to nonMuslims and muslims!

[adamITTI]

intersting talk bro !

adamdeen . blogspot . com also for an interesting debate islam vs christ and writings on Islam

[dioioego]

Excellent and very informative!!! Muslims need to equip themselves with more of these arguments, especially in this age.

[spiritlite]

SalaamAlaikum, MASHALLAH, JAZAKALLAH KHAIR.

[floweriepot]

that was good!!

who is this bro?

[1ofTheMuslims]

Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

[floweriepot]

yea i realized after I asked that it said in the title. I did some googling! He's an awesome brother mashaALLAH...

MAY ALLAH bless his efforts!