one would think some one at some point would have rewritten the mess of the bible and made it more consistent so that no one would be able to see all the flaws and contradictions in it.
Presumably the Pharisees had nothing better to do on a Sabbath than to follow Jesus and his disciples through a field to see if they were plucking grains.
6:10 PERFECT description of Christian "unity" ... nice work buddy ... I DO hope some Christians are watching to see how they can resolve this apparent conflict amongst themselves; especially when John 17 says may they be ONE as we are ...
Regarding the failed prophesy of Jesus saying that some would not see death, but that they would see him come back- some Christians argue that he was referring to John, since he saw him In vision in the book of revelation.
@DNGR411 Matthew 16:27-28 talks of Jesus returning with angels to reward each person according to what they had done. John's vision was more like fire and brimstone judgment, the verses in Matthew say nothing about a vision, and it's also a presumption to think John was among the audience at the time.
Why are you reading PERverision Bible's ROFL! You should quote the 1611 so you can be sure that you are not taking scripture out of its context;) The reason I say this is because the new Bible versions(NKJV, NIV, NASB, etc.) are intentionally mistranslated to make it seem like Yeshua Ha'Mashiac broke God's laws. Becareful about the doctrines you are posting because you might be leading people straight to hell...
@TheExodus17 Oh for fuck's sake, you're one of those "1611 KJV or bust" lunatics. I agree that some of the newer translations - especially the NIV - intentionally alter the text, though it's in FAVOR of the Christian position, not against it, and the funny thing is that the KJV contains plenty of absurdities and translation errors too.
@TheExodus17 Really? Which order of creation in the Bible is right? Genesis has 2 orders of creation; man either came before or after other critters-God must've drunk dialed to inspire. The monarch's scholars changed his bro to match the king, PEDERASTY to homosexuality&a common word-pesky vowels' fault!-refers to a military leader (in 1 spot he stands atop a watchtower in war), they claim a (royal crest) jungle kitty Jews never SAW-the WORD is newer than the OT-stabbed/guarded/etc.
@TheExodus17 In other words, it wouldn't matter if your KJV had no "contradictions" or not; it's a fucking JOKE. Its writers were bumbling idiots. Only rich kids were educated&the dumb lot became scribes-ass kissers-not wealthy trades. They apparently spent class time refining their fart jokes if they couldn't tell between a freaking CAT that entered the language some 900 years AFTER the texts were supposedly written... and a war soldier. Reality=they plagiarized The Great Bible.
@TaylorX04 I.E. I believe it's Genesis 22 in KJV (don't carry a bible with me at work), where it says that giants are the spawn of demons having sex with human women. Just another lovely reference of the world we live in, according to Christians.
Moses did permit plucking of grain: Deuteronomy 23:25 "When you come into the standing corn of your neighbor, then you may pluck the ears with your hand; but you shall not move a sickle to your neighbor's standing corn."
@TheExodus17 Is this about Jesus encouraging his disciples to pick grain on the Sabbath? If it is, where in Deut. 23:25 does it say anything about the Sabbath? It only gives instruction on WHAT grain to pick, not WHEN to pick it. Nice try, but fail.
@TaylorX04 When the Pharisees complained about Jesus’ disciples plucking and eating heads of grain on the Sabbath, Jesus (as He often did) was able to point out the contradictions in Pharisaic law. Jesus noted how David and his followers, famished and fleeing for their lives, ate the shewbread when no other food was available, though it was normally only for the priests to eat (Matthew 12:3–4; Mark 2:25–26; Luke 6:3–4; 1 Samuel 21:1–6).
why do you atheist even bother with the bible? shouldnt you act as though it doesnt exist instead of dealing with it in any way? you used all this time to create this series. pretty silly and childish
@NorthCentrality Act as though it doesn't exist? I might not think god exists, but I do think the bible exists, and especially when people are using it to justify hatred, revisionist history, and much more, it DESERVES to be denounced. What's pretty silly and childish is thinking that people shouldn't care about exposing lies.
@NorthCentrality If people were believing in silly stuff and using it to justify evil acts won't you oppose it? Now is direct question for you. Why do YOU care about atheism and what atheists do?
@TaylorX04 I have sins that i need to be cleansed of, my understanding is that there had to be a sacrifice for sins. There is no temple nor levites so how and what could be sacrificed?
@ibrowzu You didn't answer my question. Why do you think you've sinned? I see no evidence for the reality of sin. I see plenty of immorality, but sin is something more according to religion.
@ibrowzu For precisely the opposite reason you do. I've found nothing but contradictions and failed prophecies in the bible. Hence the suggestion to try me. ;-)
@ibrowzu Matthew 16:27-28, Jesus prophesied his second coming to be within the lifetime of his audience, yet clearly this did not come true. Ezekiel 30:10, it is prophesied that Babylon would conquer Egypt, yet clearly this did not come true. Isaiah 17:1, Damascus would allegedly become a "heap of ruins", yet clearly this did not come true.
The Essenes comprised those who dedicated themselves completely to God like the Nazarites and eunuchs and those who did marry. Josephus wrote of those Essenes who also married. Daughter of Jephthah bewailed her virginity as she was promised to God too.
chaver, can you NOT read proper? I never wrote Essenes = angels. Kindly plz read what I actually wrote ie. Essenes concerned with spiritual matters not worldy matters and those who did, proved so by giving up their personal wealth much like the Apostles. We should all aim for that level of dedication methinks.
chaver, we know that angels do not marry in God's kingdom. The celibate Essenes were concerned with spiritual value rather than earthly value. They also gave up personal wealth. Those who observed celibacy were making greater dedication to YHWH.
Only thing that Christ did was fulfill the law, he did however allow the ceromonial and ritual laws other than the moral laws. The Scripture says God justified us by his grace apart from the law and he died for all those accept his gift of eternal life; as it is impossible for man to be sinless.
Maybe the Jews rejected him because their god told them that the law was unchanging and eternal (Psalm 119:151-152, 111:1,7-8, Deuteronomy 4:2). According to Paul, who practically invented Christianity, Jesus didn't just fulfill the law, he ended it (Romans 10:4). You don't see why Jews would reject such heretical teachings?
Peartreeven, we've been over this several times before, I'm quite sure. Every passage you have just quoted is only stating that God wants obedience in the right frame of mind, not just like a mindless ritual. None of them say anything about the Law being changed. Isaiah 28:15 is interesting though, since it rebukes scoffers who believed they entered into a covenant of death. Paul says the law is a "ministry of death" in 2 Corinthians 3:7. Funny that he wanted to do away with the Jewish covenant.
he failed to fulfill ANY messianic prophecy. That alone is enough. However, he was a blasphemer also. Apart from that: why follow a greco-roman mangod idol when there is G-d?
Deu31:26 'Take this book of the law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for A WITNESS AGAINST THEE FOR I KNOW THY REBELLION AND THY STIFF NECK
Jer7:21Thus saith the LORD of hosts the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices and eat flesh For I spake not unto your fathers nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
Amos 5;4 For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel: Seek ye Me, and live; But seek not Beth-el
14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live; and so the LORD, the God of hosts, will be with you, as ye say. 15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish justice in the gate; it may be that the LORD, the God of hosts, will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph
Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feasts, and I will take no delight in your solemn assemblies. 22 Yea, though ye offer me burnt-offerings and your meal-offerings, I will not accept them; neither will I regard the peace-offerings of your fat beasts.
Isa1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
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Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
15Because ye have said: 'We have made a covenant with death, and with the nether-world are we at agreement; when the scouring scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us; for we have made lies our refuge, and in falsehood have we hid ourselves';
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Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone{EBEN}, a tried stone{EBEN}, a precious corner {PINNAH}, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
JESUS FITS THE BLUEPRINT IF YOU UNDERSTAND OT AS MEANT.
Read Isa. 28:19 and 22. ''As often as it comes it will carry you away; morning after morning, by day and by night, it will sweep through. The understanding of this message will bring sheer terror... Now stop your mocking, or your chains will become heavier; the Lord, the Lord Almighty, has told me of the destruction decreed against the whole land.''
Again, God is admonishing Israel for disobedience and mockery, promising to deliver them if they'll just "shut up" basically.
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12 To whom it was said: 'This is the rest, give ye rest to the weary; and this is the refreshing'; yet they would not hear.
13 And so the word of the LORD is unto them precept by precept, precept by precept, line by line, line by line; here a little, there a little; THAT THEY MAY GO, AND FALL BACKWARD, AND BE BROKEN, AND SNARED, AND TAKEN.
I did not say the Law was changed but you ignored what Scripture says the purpose of the given Law. I cited Deu 31:26 and Jeremiah 7:21
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Then it reads all isnt lost
15Because ye have said 'We have made a covenant with death and with the nether-world are we at agreement; when the scouring scourge shall pass through it shall not come unto us for we have made lies our refuge and in falsehood have we hid ourselves'
16.. thus saith the Lord GOD Behold I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,a tried stone,a precious corner,a sure foundation:he that believeth shall not make haste
18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled
I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting long series of bible quotations. If you have a point to make about particular passages, just state the book, chapter, and verses, don't quote them. I have my own bible I can look them up in to verify your claims and Bible Gateway is an even faster resource. Quoting six or more verses in three or more comments clutters things up. You could have referenced Isaiah 28:13 alone and made your point.
Isa. 28:13, Deut. 31:26 and Jer. 7:21 ALL support what I have been saying. God did not desire empty ritual observance from his people, he wanted them to observe his law with obedient hearts too. What bearing does this have on Christianity? Where is the point you're trying to make here, because frankly I'm confused.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Bereishit 4:14-15. Behold You have driven me today off the face of the earth, and I shall be hidden from before You, and I will be a wanderer and an exile in the land, and it will be that whoever finds me will kill me."And the Lord said to him, "Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be wrought upon him sevenfold," and the Lord placed a mark on Cain that no one who find him slay him.
This is not about look-alikes. This is about taking G-d seriously enough. You fail by using and relying on mistranslations. Each time we have an argument, i cite the original and debunk your argument.
Essenes were a priestly sectarian Jewish group believing themselves Gods elect and perceived themselves and by others as holy men. Terms -hasidim (pious ones), zenuim (chaste ones) and anavin (humble ones) - used in the Talmud possibly refer to the Essenes. Their theology and rituals were known among Jews of 2nd Temple period. Their ideas of dualism of spirit and flesh, a new covenant, predestination and immersion (baptism) defy the Essenes who are the predecessor of Christianity.
Whereas Hillel was recognized as the highest authority among the Pharisees, predecessors to Rabbinic Judaism. Hillel lived in Jerusalem during the time of King Herod and the Roman Emperor Augustus. Shammai(50 BCE30 CE) was the most eminent contemporary and the halakhic opponent of Hillel.After Menahem the Essene had resigned the office of Av Beit Din (vice-president) of the Sanhedrin, Shammai was elected to it. Hillel was then president. Hillel's name הֵילֵל same root as in Isa14:12
Yet God had ordained phrophetic powers to the Essenes. What is known of Menahem the essene from Josephus. Prominent teacher of the Essene faction in the time of King Herod, about the middle of the first pre-Christian century. He was renowned for his prophetic powers. According to Josephus ("Ant." xv. 10, § 5), he was distinguished also for the saintliness of his life as well as for possessing knowledge of the future.
These verses in Amos and Isaiah are God admonishing his followers for ritualistically observing parts of the law, while remaining in sin and disobeying other parts of it. It has nothing to do with God canceling his law.
You point out many wonderful things but one, as a gentile, we are not bound to the 10 commandments but 7 commandments given to Noah, so that gentiles wishing to fallow the God of the Jews can but on a limited scale. As a gentile we do not have dietary restrictions, we are not bound to the no work rule etc.
I don't think it's quite that simple. If Christians no longer believe observing the law alone can save a person, what's the point in differentiating between the 10 commandments and the Noahide laws?
Also, I know a Gentile is generally just a non-Jew, but it seems odd to me that you would follow the Noahide laws if you believe you worship the same God who handed the 10 commandments to the Jews. God discriminates based on race?
The Noahide faith is older than Judaism and way older than Christianity. But you must find a starting point to believe if you wish to believe. I am not really even advocating believing in Noahide faith, I was just pointing out that as a gentile, the Jews have a special set of rules for us so that we can have the same blessings as those of the Jews if we so desire.
I believe that all faith and religion is there to help mankind understand there place in the cosmos, that much of the meaning from the ancient faiths have been lost to us so that we have been brainwashed in believing in a fairy tale instead of the truth that was understood by the early peoples.
Congratulations on your very carefully researched and attractive visuals. Some of the art work (pictures) I had not seen before. By clicking on my username sapiensape (in blue, appended to this comment box) you can access my 15 videos on the pre-biblical origins of the Garden of Eden story as recast Mesopotamian myths and learn who "originally" was Eden's God, Adam, Eve, the Serpent, and the Cherubim.
AGAIN, you are MISSING the point. The Messiah was speaking of his LOST sheep of the HOUSE of ISRAEL. He came to bring together the HOuse of Judah and the House of Isreal ONLY. People try to include themselves by the misinterpretation of the use fo the world Gentile, meaing nation or goyim in hebrew. The Old Testament refers to ISRAEL as Gentiles, because they were for a period without their GOD. Plain and Simple. Know the word before you criticize it.
I recognize that the Old Testament was centered around the Jewish nation, but even so, all the Jews did not and have not returned to Israel. YOU are missing the point.
I am curious though, as to your background (TaylorX04). How did you come across your biblical information? What version of the bible do you use for your quotation source? And when you did your research, do you use an online version or do you physically use a book and look up each entry?
I ask out of curiousity. There are a lot of us atheists who would love to do similar research so we can debate more readily. You seem to have an effective technique. Awesome!
Thanks. I'd say that most of my biblical knowledge came from years of being a Christian involved in apologetics and theology. However, I do still occasionally read entire chapters or books of the bible, especially when I have an idea for a video or article. I typically use the NIV translation, but sometimes I use others, for dramatic effect (like the King James). When I do my research, I use a little bit of both. All the quotes in the video are with BibleGateway, so I get them exact.
All of your videos are evidence that Jesus Christ was a phony. It also proves that the Bible contradicts itself so severely, that you have to wonder why its believers didn't pick up on this earlier and didn't read into it.
You know it's funny. Most christians defend their beliefs using the bible (asserting that it is the word of god) But you're making a great argument against Jesus even being the sun of god, using the bible! How ironic, that the very books this whole religion is based upon, provide evidence of its own lack of truth...
He is saying that because the bible is considered by it's followers to be the inherent word of "God" not a piece of literature by men thousands of years old regardless of what part you read.
Am I required to say, "Moses said that God said this" or "the book of Deuteronomy says that God said that" every time I quote from the bible? I mean, I think most of us watching the video already know that it's disputable whether "god" said anything like the bible tells us. Just didn't seem necessary to keep stressing the point I made in the first video about the anonymity and ambiguity of the authors.
Sorry I have not so good english to explain, that is why I will give quote:
"Christ's death was the new covenant and because of this new covenant the old one was void. The rules and rituals in Leviticus are now considered essentially outdated and not applicable to our lives today. Christ's death abolished these rules and made faith about love rather than obedience. I hope this clears stuff up for you. Just my two cents."
Fine, if that's what you believe, but if you're hoping to find scriptural support for such a view, you're out of luck. Like I've said in this video and others, Jesus states in Matthew 5:17-19 that he did NOT come to abolish or invalidate the Law, but to fulfill it, and anyone who violates a single commandment of it is "called least in the kingdom of heaven".
My family tells me the same thing about the OT laws being practically null and void and I quote Matt 5:17...I also tell them that the ten commandments that they defend over and over are also in the OT. It does no good to argue with blind faith and it will never stop them from shaking their head at me like I am the lost soul.
That kind of statement necessary in order to bring goyim converts into a religion based on judaism which had rules objectional to even some sects of judaism.
Oh I don't believe Judaism and Christianity are the same religion or that they worship the same god. Gnostics seems to separate them based on inconsistencies between the Old and New Testaments though, not really because of any scriptural teaching. And once again, this video is examining traditional mainstream Christianity, which does consider itself to have descended from Judaism.
This video makes me wonder on how men like Abraham, Moses, Jacob and David would react if they saw Jesus breaking the laws that they tried so hard to unify they're people and in the end creating a schism in Judaism.
Your knowledge of scripture, particularly the Old Testament versus the New Testament always surprises me. While i'm not a christian (a deist if anyone wanted to know), my background does include attending church. I'm fascinated that modern Christianity glosses over the old testament the way that they do and that this doesn't seem to phase most believers. Thank you for the always scholarly examination; I am really enjoying the series.
A lot of Christian credulity is a result of childhood indoctrination. They teach you not to question and to ignore obvious contradictions. I've been there (Catholic church).
I know my approach isn't for everyone either. I was a Christian for years, so I've got an existing interest in apologetics and theology that few other atheists will probably share. I do think that Jesus may not have existed (at least not the character we find in the bible), but I like to go further and explain that even if he did exist as the bible says, there are still LOTS of problems with the Christian view of him.
one would think some one at some point would have rewritten the mess of the bible and made it more consistent so that no one would be able to see all the flaws and contradictions in it.
qwyzl 3 days ago
I am not enjoying this video.The Bible was edited by Romans.
JustForBrieLarson 1 month ago
@JustForBrieLarson
The Bible was edited by a lot of people ...
Xigano1 1 day ago in playlist Making a Messiah
i really enjoy your video...
0009ad 2 months ago
Presumably the Pharisees had nothing better to do on a Sabbath than to follow Jesus and his disciples through a field to see if they were plucking grains.
EruditeScythian 5 months ago
6:10 PERFECT description of Christian "unity" ... nice work buddy ... I DO hope some Christians are watching to see how they can resolve this apparent conflict amongst themselves; especially when John 17 says may they be ONE as we are ...
irendelle 1 year ago
@TaylorX04:
Awesome series- respect.
I just have a question:
Regarding the failed prophesy of Jesus saying that some would not see death, but that they would see him come back- some Christians argue that he was referring to John, since he saw him In vision in the book of revelation.
How do we counter that argument?
[D]
DNGR411 1 year ago
@DNGR411 Matthew 16:27-28 talks of Jesus returning with angels to reward each person according to what they had done. John's vision was more like fire and brimstone judgment, the verses in Matthew say nothing about a vision, and it's also a presumption to think John was among the audience at the time.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
Why are you reading PERverision Bible's ROFL! You should quote the 1611 so you can be sure that you are not taking scripture out of its context;) The reason I say this is because the new Bible versions(NKJV, NIV, NASB, etc.) are intentionally mistranslated to make it seem like Yeshua Ha'Mashiac broke God's laws. Becareful about the doctrines you are posting because you might be leading people straight to hell...
TheExodus17 1 year ago
@TheExodus17 Oh for fuck's sake, you're one of those "1611 KJV or bust" lunatics. I agree that some of the newer translations - especially the NIV - intentionally alter the text, though it's in FAVOR of the Christian position, not against it, and the funny thing is that the KJV contains plenty of absurdities and translation errors too.
TaylorX04 1 year ago 5
@TaylorX04 Well, that may be the case, but it certainly does NOT have any contradictions.
TheExodus17 1 year ago
@TheExodus17 Really? Which order of creation in the Bible is right? Genesis has 2 orders of creation; man either came before or after other critters-God must've drunk dialed to inspire. The monarch's scholars changed his bro to match the king, PEDERASTY to homosexuality&a common word-pesky vowels' fault!-refers to a military leader (in 1 spot he stands atop a watchtower in war), they claim a (royal crest) jungle kitty Jews never SAW-the WORD is newer than the OT-stabbed/guarded/etc.
122172639 4 days ago
@TheExodus17 In other words, it wouldn't matter if your KJV had no "contradictions" or not; it's a fucking JOKE. Its writers were bumbling idiots. Only rich kids were educated&the dumb lot became scribes-ass kissers-not wealthy trades. They apparently spent class time refining their fart jokes if they couldn't tell between a freaking CAT that entered the language some 900 years AFTER the texts were supposedly written... and a war soldier. Reality=they plagiarized The Great Bible.
122172639 4 days ago
@TaylorX04 I.E. I believe it's Genesis 22 in KJV (don't carry a bible with me at work), where it says that giants are the spawn of demons having sex with human women. Just another lovely reference of the world we live in, according to Christians.
HOLYdpsBATMAN 1 year ago
@TheExodus17 What ever pal. There is no hell. Get over yourself and take your head out of religion's ass stupid fundamentalist
OVtigerstripe 8 months ago
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TheExodus17 1 year ago
Moses did permit plucking of grain: Deuteronomy 23:25 "When you come into the standing corn of your neighbor, then you may pluck the ears with your hand; but you shall not move a sickle to your neighbor's standing corn."
TheExodus17 1 year ago
@TheExodus17 Is this about Jesus encouraging his disciples to pick grain on the Sabbath? If it is, where in Deut. 23:25 does it say anything about the Sabbath? It only gives instruction on WHAT grain to pick, not WHEN to pick it. Nice try, but fail.
TaylorX04 1 year ago 2
@TaylorX04 When the Pharisees complained about Jesus’ disciples plucking and eating heads of grain on the Sabbath, Jesus (as He often did) was able to point out the contradictions in Pharisaic law. Jesus noted how David and his followers, famished and fleeing for their lives, ate the shewbread when no other food was available, though it was normally only for the priests to eat (Matthew 12:3–4; Mark 2:25–26; Luke 6:3–4; 1 Samuel 21:1–6).
TheExodus17 1 year ago
I CANT BELEIVE PEOPLE TODAY THINK THE BIBBLE STORYS ARE TRUE!
martynrobin121 1 year ago
@martynrobin121 I know! Tell me about it!
OVtigerstripe 8 months ago
why do you atheist even bother with the bible? shouldnt you act as though it doesnt exist instead of dealing with it in any way? you used all this time to create this series. pretty silly and childish
NorthCentrality 1 year ago
@NorthCentrality Act as though it doesn't exist? I might not think god exists, but I do think the bible exists, and especially when people are using it to justify hatred, revisionist history, and much more, it DESERVES to be denounced. What's pretty silly and childish is thinking that people shouldn't care about exposing lies.
TaylorX04 1 year ago 7
@NorthCentrality If people were believing in silly stuff and using it to justify evil acts won't you oppose it? Now is direct question for you. Why do YOU care about atheism and what atheists do?
MrXalexer 1 year ago
I would like to shake your hand one day, TalorX04. You've given me the ammo I need to make these christians shut up ^w^ Thank you so much ^w^
secretk33per 1 year ago
So how does one atone for his sins now? animal sacrifices?
ibrowzu 1 year ago
@ibrowzu What makes you think we have sins to atone for?
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04 I have sins that i need to be cleansed of, my understanding is that there had to be a sacrifice for sins. There is no temple nor levites so how and what could be sacrificed?
ibrowzu 1 year ago
@ibrowzu You didn't answer my question. Why do you think you've sinned? I see no evidence for the reality of sin. I see plenty of immorality, but sin is something more according to religion.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04 according the the bible in, which i believe in, sin is breaking any of Gods laws i am guilty of breaking Gods laws
ibrowzu 1 year ago
@ibrowzu So basically you believe you've sinned because the bible says so. What reason do you have to believe the bible?
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04 history and prophecy that has came to pass exacly as it was written.
ibrowzu 1 year ago
@ibrowzu I notice you're being quite general in your statements. I've read the bible, heard these arguments before, so try me.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04 I take it you do not believe in the bible, can i ask why?
ibrowzu 1 year ago
@ibrowzu For precisely the opposite reason you do. I've found nothing but contradictions and failed prophecies in the bible. Hence the suggestion to try me. ;-)
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04 do you mind sharing some of the failed prophecies of the bible?
ibrowzu 1 year ago
@ibrowzu Matthew 16:27-28, Jesus prophesied his second coming to be within the lifetime of his audience, yet clearly this did not come true. Ezekiel 30:10, it is prophesied that Babylon would conquer Egypt, yet clearly this did not come true. Isaiah 17:1, Damascus would allegedly become a "heap of ruins", yet clearly this did not come true.
There's a small sampling.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04 if you have more can you send a private message?
ibrowzu 1 year ago
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MrXalexer 1 year ago
Yay, 326 likes and 4 dislikes! I see I have fellow deniers of Yeshu here.
OyVey666 1 year ago
Essenes did not marry and lived in celibate. Therefore they broke the very first commandment given by G-d.
What a nice group to refer to, huh?^^
Get a life. Come again.
rapartist43 2 years ago
The Essenes comprised those who dedicated themselves completely to God like the Nazarites and eunuchs and those who did marry. Josephus wrote of those Essenes who also married. Daughter of Jephthah bewailed her virginity as she was promised to God too.
peartreeven 2 years ago
addendum: I used the term eunuch to mean a celibate man by choice rather than a castrated man.
peartreeven 2 years ago
Essenes weren't angels, my friend. They simply violated G-d's very first command.
rapartist43 2 years ago
@rapartist43
chaver, can you NOT read proper? I never wrote Essenes = angels. Kindly plz read what I actually wrote ie. Essenes concerned with spiritual matters not worldy matters and those who did, proved so by giving up their personal wealth much like the Apostles. We should all aim for that level of dedication methinks.
peartreeven 2 years ago
@rapartist43
chaver, we know that angels do not marry in God's kingdom. The celibate Essenes were concerned with spiritual value rather than earthly value. They also gave up personal wealth. Those who observed celibacy were making greater dedication to YHWH.
peartreeven 2 years ago
Why is it exactly that Jews reject christ?
Only thing that Christ did was fulfill the law, he did however allow the ceromonial and ritual laws other than the moral laws. The Scripture says God justified us by his grace apart from the law and he died for all those accept his gift of eternal life; as it is impossible for man to be sinless.
benlym 2 years ago
And Paul Bunyon was thirty feet tall and stood above the clouds.
Pathetic; truly pathetic.
ChurchOfKali66619 2 years ago
Maybe the Jews rejected him because their god told them that the law was unchanging and eternal (Psalm 119:151-152, 111:1,7-8, Deuteronomy 4:2). According to Paul, who practically invented Christianity, Jesus didn't just fulfill the law, he ended it (Romans 10:4). You don't see why Jews would reject such heretical teachings?
TaylorX04 2 years ago
TaylorX04,
Here you are ignoring Isa 28:12-15; Jeremiah 7: 21-24; Isaiah 58:1-7; Deuteronomy31:26---29; Amos 5:21-27
shalom
peartreeven 2 years ago
Peartreeven, we've been over this several times before, I'm quite sure. Every passage you have just quoted is only stating that God wants obedience in the right frame of mind, not just like a mindless ritual. None of them say anything about the Law being changed. Isaiah 28:15 is interesting though, since it rebukes scoffers who believed they entered into a covenant of death. Paul says the law is a "ministry of death" in 2 Corinthians 3:7. Funny that he wanted to do away with the Jewish covenant.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
he failed to fulfill ANY messianic prophecy. That alone is enough. However, he was a blasphemer also. Apart from that: why follow a greco-roman mangod idol when there is G-d?
rapartist43 2 years ago
What OT says about Moses Law
Deu31:26 'Take this book of the law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for A WITNESS AGAINST THEE FOR I KNOW THY REBELLION AND THY STIFF NECK
Jer7:21Thus saith the LORD of hosts the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices and eat flesh For I spake not unto your fathers nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices
peartreeven 2 years ago
What the LORD says
Amos 5;4 For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel: Seek ye Me, and live; But seek not Beth-el
14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live; and so the LORD, the God of hosts, will be with you, as ye say. 15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish justice in the gate; it may be that the LORD, the God of hosts, will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph
peartreeven 2 years ago
Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feasts, and I will take no delight in your solemn assemblies. 22 Yea, though ye offer me burnt-offerings and your meal-offerings, I will not accept them; neither will I regard the peace-offerings of your fat beasts.
Isa1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
SEE JESUS SAYS SAME.
peartreeven 2 years ago
MORE. PROPHETS SAY SAME
Isa 1:14Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
peartreeven 2 years ago
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Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
15Because ye have said: 'We have made a covenant with death, and with the nether-world are we at agreement; when the scouring scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us; for we have made lies our refuge, and in falsehood have we hid ourselves';
peartreeven 2 years ago
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Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone{EBEN}, a tried stone{EBEN}, a precious corner {PINNAH}, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
JESUS FITS THE BLUEPRINT IF YOU UNDERSTAND OT AS MEANT.
peartreeven 2 years ago
Read Isa. 28:19 and 22. ''As often as it comes it will carry you away; morning after morning, by day and by night, it will sweep through. The understanding of this message will bring sheer terror... Now stop your mocking, or your chains will become heavier; the Lord, the Lord Almighty, has told me of the destruction decreed against the whole land.''
Again, God is admonishing Israel for disobedience and mockery, promising to deliver them if they'll just "shut up" basically.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
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We must be reading different. Lets examine what Isaiah 28 reads.
9 Whom shall one teach knowledge? And whom shall one make to understand the message?
10 For it is precept by precept, precept by precept, line by line, line by line; here a little, there a little.
11 For with stammering lips and WITH A STRANGE TONGUE SHALL IT BE SPOKEN to this people;
peartreeven 2 years ago
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12 To whom it was said: 'This is the rest, give ye rest to the weary; and this is the refreshing'; yet they would not hear.
13 And so the word of the LORD is unto them precept by precept, precept by precept, line by line, line by line; here a little, there a little; THAT THEY MAY GO, AND FALL BACKWARD, AND BE BROKEN, AND SNARED, AND TAKEN.
I did not say the Law was changed but you ignored what Scripture says the purpose of the given Law. I cited Deu 31:26 and Jeremiah 7:21
peartreeven 2 years ago
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Then it reads all isnt lost
15Because ye have said 'We have made a covenant with death and with the nether-world are we at agreement; when the scouring scourge shall pass through it shall not come unto us for we have made lies our refuge and in falsehood have we hid ourselves'
16.. thus saith the Lord GOD Behold I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone,a tried stone,a precious corner,a sure foundation:he that believeth shall not make haste
18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled
peartreeven 2 years ago
I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting long series of bible quotations. If you have a point to make about particular passages, just state the book, chapter, and verses, don't quote them. I have my own bible I can look them up in to verify your claims and Bible Gateway is an even faster resource. Quoting six or more verses in three or more comments clutters things up. You could have referenced Isaiah 28:13 alone and made your point.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
Isa. 28:13, Deut. 31:26 and Jer. 7:21 ALL support what I have been saying. God did not desire empty ritual observance from his people, he wanted them to observe his law with obedient hearts too. What bearing does this have on Christianity? Where is the point you're trying to make here, because frankly I'm confused.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
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I refer you to Ps 118:22 and Mark 12:10
peartreeven 2 years ago
"Meddle not in the affairs of wizards, for Lo! It maketh them soggy and hard to light."
Sid 3:16
ChurchOfKali66619 2 years ago
Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
peartreeven 2 years ago
And I refer you to Numbers 23:19 and Hosea 11:9.
rapartist43 2 years ago
rapartist43
plz go read the DSS hebrew version of Isaiah. Maybe God may decide to adopt you too. Good luck and may YHWH open your spiritual eyes soon.
Shalom aleichem
peartreeven 2 years ago
Why should i read a book written by sectarians?
BTW: you watched this video?
rapartist43 2 years ago
@rapartist43
What are you saying? That the book of Isaiah is written by sectarian?
Stop calling for blood and then God may just open your eyes, chaver.
peartreeven 2 years ago
Bereishit 4:14-15. Behold You have driven me today off the face of the earth, and I shall be hidden from before You, and I will be a wanderer and an exile in the land, and it will be that whoever finds me will kill me."And the Lord said to him, "Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be wrought upon him sevenfold," and the Lord placed a mark on Cain that no one who find him slay him.
peartreeven 2 years ago
The DSS, you fool. It was written by the Essenes.
rapartist43 2 years ago
rapartist43 son of Hillel
DSS book of Isaiah was copied down by the Essenes. Was Isaiah himself an Essene? Probably..
peartreeven 2 years ago
If isaiah in DSS differs from the masoretic text - then it cannot be true.
rapartist43 2 years ago
@rapartist43
if your son differs from you, then you are the counterfeit too.
peartreeven 2 years ago
We are not speaking about sexual co-production, you fool. This is the word of G-d.
rapartist43 2 years ago
sorry^^ RE-production.^^
rapartist43 2 years ago
@rapartist43
???
Where did I mention or imply sexual reproduction? It doesnt equate!
It was meant to be a parallel of your illogical assertion.
peartreeven 2 years ago
This is not about look-alikes. This is about taking G-d seriously enough. You fail by using and relying on mistranslations. Each time we have an argument, i cite the original and debunk your argument.
rapartist43 2 years ago
rapartist43
dont make me laugh LOL. Your illogical assertion is not scripture. Your Masoretic text is not the original. The DSS contained the true Word of YHWH.
Aside that, you dont listen to your prophets. Read and observe Yeshayahu 28 and Bereishit 4.
peartreeven 2 years ago
For sure, the masoretic text is the original. The DSS was written by the Essenes - a sect.
rapartist43 2 years ago
Essenes were a priestly sectarian Jewish group believing themselves Gods elect and perceived themselves and by others as holy men. Terms -hasidim (pious ones), zenuim (chaste ones) and anavin (humble ones) - used in the Talmud possibly refer to the Essenes. Their theology and rituals were known among Jews of 2nd Temple period. Their ideas of dualism of spirit and flesh, a new covenant, predestination and immersion (baptism) defy the Essenes who are the predecessor of Christianity.
peartreeven 2 years ago
Whereas Hillel was recognized as the highest authority among the Pharisees, predecessors to Rabbinic Judaism. Hillel lived in Jerusalem during the time of King Herod and the Roman Emperor Augustus. Shammai(50 BCE30 CE) was the most eminent contemporary and the halakhic opponent of Hillel.After Menahem the Essene had resigned the office of Av Beit Din (vice-president) of the Sanhedrin, Shammai was elected to it. Hillel was then president. Hillel's name הֵילֵל same root as in Isa14:12
peartreeven 2 years ago
Yet God had ordained phrophetic powers to the Essenes. What is known of Menahem the essene from Josephus. Prominent teacher of the Essene faction in the time of King Herod, about the middle of the first pre-Christian century. He was renowned for his prophetic powers. According to Josephus ("Ant." xv. 10, § 5), he was distinguished also for the saintliness of his life as well as for possessing knowledge of the future.
The Essenes kept the true Word of God.
peartreeven 2 years ago
Jesus says he hates the feasts and offerings?
These verses in Amos and Isaiah are God admonishing his followers for ritualistically observing parts of the law, while remaining in sin and disobeying other parts of it. It has nothing to do with God canceling his law.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
You point out many wonderful things but one, as a gentile, we are not bound to the 10 commandments but 7 commandments given to Noah, so that gentiles wishing to fallow the God of the Jews can but on a limited scale. As a gentile we do not have dietary restrictions, we are not bound to the no work rule etc.
mutant121 2 years ago
I don't think it's quite that simple. If Christians no longer believe observing the law alone can save a person, what's the point in differentiating between the 10 commandments and the Noahide laws?
Also, I know a Gentile is generally just a non-Jew, but it seems odd to me that you would follow the Noahide laws if you believe you worship the same God who handed the 10 commandments to the Jews. God discriminates based on race?
TaylorX04 2 years ago
The Noahide faith is older than Judaism and way older than Christianity. But you must find a starting point to believe if you wish to believe. I am not really even advocating believing in Noahide faith, I was just pointing out that as a gentile, the Jews have a special set of rules for us so that we can have the same blessings as those of the Jews if we so desire.
mutant121 2 years ago
I believe that all faith and religion is there to help mankind understand there place in the cosmos, that much of the meaning from the ancient faiths have been lost to us so that we have been brainwashed in believing in a fairy tale instead of the truth that was understood by the early peoples.
mutant121 2 years ago
Very nice video series. Good job.
Derrshmoz 2 years ago
Congratulations on your very carefully researched and attractive visuals. Some of the art work (pictures) I had not seen before. By clicking on my username sapiensape (in blue, appended to this comment box) you can access my 15 videos on the pre-biblical origins of the Garden of Eden story as recast Mesopotamian myths and learn who "originally" was Eden's God, Adam, Eve, the Serpent, and the Cherubim.
sapiensape 2 years ago
AGAIN, you are MISSING the point. The Messiah was speaking of his LOST sheep of the HOUSE of ISRAEL. He came to bring together the HOuse of Judah and the House of Isreal ONLY. People try to include themselves by the misinterpretation of the use fo the world Gentile, meaing nation or goyim in hebrew. The Old Testament refers to ISRAEL as Gentiles, because they were for a period without their GOD. Plain and Simple. Know the word before you criticize it.
cookiemonsterog 2 years ago
I recognize that the Old Testament was centered around the Jewish nation, but even so, all the Jews did not and have not returned to Israel. YOU are missing the point.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
you spam all the videos with ignorant comments. If you're defending anything to do with the bible, you have to be ignorant
jorsher123 2 years ago
Awesome, thanks for making this, was intressting to watch.
paroniniropa 2 years ago 3
genius stuff. thanks for pointing out all this. i had no idea jesus was a liar too.
LordHines420 2 years ago
Best video so far, great work!
I am curious though, as to your background (TaylorX04). How did you come across your biblical information? What version of the bible do you use for your quotation source? And when you did your research, do you use an online version or do you physically use a book and look up each entry?
I ask out of curiousity. There are a lot of us atheists who would love to do similar research so we can debate more readily. You seem to have an effective technique. Awesome!
IanBillings00 2 years ago
Thanks. I'd say that most of my biblical knowledge came from years of being a Christian involved in apologetics and theology. However, I do still occasionally read entire chapters or books of the bible, especially when I have an idea for a video or article. I typically use the NIV translation, but sometimes I use others, for dramatic effect (like the King James). When I do my research, I use a little bit of both. All the quotes in the video are with BibleGateway, so I get them exact.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
All of your videos are evidence that Jesus Christ was a phony. It also proves that the Bible contradicts itself so severely, that you have to wonder why its believers didn't pick up on this earlier and didn't read into it.
gir908922 2 years ago 11
You know it's funny. Most christians defend their beliefs using the bible (asserting that it is the word of god) But you're making a great argument against Jesus even being the sun of god, using the bible! How ironic, that the very books this whole religion is based upon, provide evidence of its own lack of truth...
xCrazyJayx 2 years ago 11
The painting at 4:00 cracks me up. Jesus is all, "I will put my fist down your throat, you little shit, if you don't shut up right now."
AbbeyNormal 2 years ago 2
my problem with this video is the narrttor keep saying "god wrote" or 'GOD said" but yet you dont know who actually wrote what part.
But a divine video series none the less
aman803 2 years ago
He is saying that because the bible is considered by it's followers to be the inherent word of "God" not a piece of literature by men thousands of years old regardless of what part you read.
llamalord111 2 years ago
Am I required to say, "Moses said that God said this" or "the book of Deuteronomy says that God said that" every time I quote from the bible? I mean, I think most of us watching the video already know that it's disputable whether "god" said anything like the bible tells us. Just didn't seem necessary to keep stressing the point I made in the first video about the anonymity and ambiguity of the authors.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
I think Deuteronomy 4 2-4 just said their was a riot, and the mob killed all the followers of Baal Peor. And not one in the mob died.
brutus149 2 years ago
Sorry I have not so good english to explain, that is why I will give quote:
"Christ's death was the new covenant and because of this new covenant the old one was void. The rules and rituals in Leviticus are now considered essentially outdated and not applicable to our lives today. Christ's death abolished these rules and made faith about love rather than obedience. I hope this clears stuff up for you. Just my two cents."
relictpht 2 years ago
Fine, if that's what you believe, but if you're hoping to find scriptural support for such a view, you're out of luck. Like I've said in this video and others, Jesus states in Matthew 5:17-19 that he did NOT come to abolish or invalidate the Law, but to fulfill it, and anyone who violates a single commandment of it is "called least in the kingdom of heaven".
TaylorX04 2 years ago
My family tells me the same thing about the OT laws being practically null and void and I quote Matt 5:17...I also tell them that the ten commandments that they defend over and over are also in the OT. It does no good to argue with blind faith and it will never stop them from shaking their head at me like I am the lost soul.
AssilemakaMelissa 2 years ago
That kind of statement necessary in order to bring goyim converts into a religion based on judaism which had rules objectional to even some sects of judaism.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Strange you didnt notice that God of Love and peace who was represented by JC is not same who need blood and sacrifice.
The point of New Testament was to get out jews from hands of their bloody and sacrifice offerings wanting deity .
John 16:11
relictpht 2 years ago
Oh I don't believe Judaism and Christianity are the same religion or that they worship the same god. Gnostics seems to separate them based on inconsistencies between the Old and New Testaments though, not really because of any scriptural teaching. And once again, this video is examining traditional mainstream Christianity, which does consider itself to have descended from Judaism.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
I can understand how if I was a Jew, I would consider him a false prophet.......
KitsuneVoss 2 years ago
This video makes me wonder on how men like Abraham, Moses, Jacob and David would react if they saw Jesus breaking the laws that they tried so hard to unify they're people and in the end creating a schism in Judaism.
ginkiba3 2 years ago
I have a feeling that they would have stoned Jesus on the spot.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
Brutus149, what ur point?
Pablo113 2 years ago
These are excellent excellent videos.
You are doing great justice for truth. Thank you.
emeralds222 2 years ago
Damn straight. Why do you think the false profits ask Christians to forget the Sabbath and worship on Sunday?
Onodera1980 2 years ago
Good series so far.
creamsykle 2 years ago
You series has been so wonderful! I have learned a lot. Thanks!
inmyheart313131 2 years ago
I'll miss the series when it's done.
ArmchairAccomplice 2 years ago 3
AWESOME SHIT. Cant wait for people to figure out Jesus is FICTION!
Pablo
Pablo113 2 years ago
But Sun Myung Moon is REAL!
brutus149 2 years ago
Mind blown.
5/5
Favorited.
Subscibed.
fegu 2 years ago 2
U sir, r the fucken man!! Grat video as usual. I hope that u continue to shed a light onthis rediculous fairytale.
iiiiblaze 2 years ago 2
Your knowledge of scripture, particularly the Old Testament versus the New Testament always surprises me. While i'm not a christian (a deist if anyone wanted to know), my background does include attending church. I'm fascinated that modern Christianity glosses over the old testament the way that they do and that this doesn't seem to phase most believers. Thank you for the always scholarly examination; I am really enjoying the series.
littleredangell 2 years ago 4
A lot of Christian credulity is a result of childhood indoctrination. They teach you not to question and to ignore obvious contradictions. I've been there (Catholic church).
destronia123 2 years ago 3
Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm glad you're enjoying the series. :-)
TaylorX04 2 years ago
jesus never existed
nyarltep 2 years ago 2
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ahshar2 2 years ago
why would i want to do that?
nyarltep 2 years ago
It's easy to say that but good luck trying to convince a christian of that.
better to take TaylorX04's approach
justintempler 2 years ago 2
part of his approach is knowing in depth and particular details about the bible
that book of fairy tales does not interest me enough to examine every intricacy
i am also not interested in convincing christians
i was merely stating fact
nyarltep 2 years ago 2
I know my approach isn't for everyone either. I was a Christian for years, so I've got an existing interest in apologetics and theology that few other atheists will probably share. I do think that Jesus may not have existed (at least not the character we find in the bible), but I like to go further and explain that even if he did exist as the bible says, there are still LOTS of problems with the Christian view of him.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
you do understand how the bible and jesus and god etc
all look like complex fairytales to some people
right?
nyarltep 2 years ago
Yes. Do you understand that some people have an interest in mythology, even if it's based on little truth?
TaylorX04 2 years ago
i sure do
thats why i enjoy the ramanya
i am sure there was a grand pre deluvian civilization
are you familiar with the writings of colin wilson?
nyarltep 2 years ago
No, I haven't heard of Wilson, and I don't really know what the "ramanya" is either. Mythological exegesis or something?
TaylorX04 2 years ago