We Are Change Calgary meets David Keith - Chemtrail / Geo-engineering

[alicialovelife]

A real shame nobody was prepared for this debat. There was only half testaomy from unknown refferences. No proof when there is enough proof if they just invested the time to print out the documents.

[DianeDi]

GOOGLE

*Geoengineering Policy Fellowships Offered by Belfer Center's Energy Technology Innovation Policy Research Group at Harvard Kennedy School*

Applications now being accepted in Geoengineering working under the supervision of David Keith.

[writingsinthesky]

All over this film David Keith refutes every reference to increased levels of barium and aluminum in the soil -- (he calls it Alumna and states they are very different) -- yet at the beginning and whenever it suits him, he claims "he does not know what the normal levels are". He nonetheless continues his thread of, aluminum = natural element in soil, dismisses tests as evidence of increase. If he "does not know what is normal," then WTF?

[orbenn]

Wow I feel bad for David Keith having to put up with these cooks for so long. He repeatedly asks for real evidence, no one can put out and they just keep going in circles the whole time.

[TheSpitmitt]

FUCK YOU DAVID KEITH...YOU ARE BLACK HEARTED FILTH. YOU ARE FUCKING UP THE FUTURE FOR US ALL!!!!!!!!!

[firstwave2]

jimbridger100 is a known paid disinformation sock puppet. As for Chemtrails, they are as real as the air you breathe'.

[sanluisskywatch]

Seriously LOOK IN THE FRICKING SKY PEOPLE!!

[DeepRootsFilms]

@sanluisskywatch That's really all it takes doesn't it? It's enough who will confirm this for us if we can't for ourselves? I'm ready to act, any one else?

[TheSpitmitt]

Hes a filthy worm ...not human...just a nerdy piece of scum. This is the reason we have to have poison dumped on us? I try to be a decent guy but this guy and all others like him need to be locked up and fed chemtrail cookies until they choke .

[TheSpitmitt]

He pretends he is no an evil filthy devil of a human being. He says he doesnt know what a chemtrail is? Damn he is such a psycho. I would love to have a meeting with him.

[TheSpitmitt]

I pray this lying scum gets run over slowly by a steam roller. I have so much hate for this guy!

[VooDooU22X]

This video is a joke . this is an orchestrated event . they pick him up on ' nothing ' ...cringeworthy and a sure sign that We Are Change organisations are infiltrated .

[OTTONUS]

@VooDooU22X There is no sigle "hot" question by WACC.... I agree with you.

[JimBridger100]

this comment from the description is false:

"We must remember that in a CFR meeting it was stated that there were Tens of Millions spent on confusing the public about Geo-engineering."

The comment in question was about people purposely trying to confuse the public about climate change...NOT GE...

being disingenuous about stuff like that does not help your cause.

[JimBridger100]

Oh this video was painful to watch...the Calgary folks- well meaning as they are- talked in circles and with meandering logic, questionable "facts"....

Keith was a rampart of facts, logic and sanity...and they crashed and burned upon him...

[rarosera]

"I trust people will blow the whistle."

[WakingUpFast]

I dislike this disgusting shill even more now than I did after I saw him on the 'what on earth are they spraying' video, and my opinion of him then was extremely low. He says at one point that he works on the problems that are really harming people, and he didn't claim he worked on them to stop the problems, so I would have to guess he does it to ensure that lots of people are being harmed and killed. Just saying. That he flat out denies any geo engineering is currently being done is insane.

[jaworskij]

David Keith is a good example of a Reptilian Human because he doesn't have a conscience when it comes to the health damage it does to life on Earth from chemtrails. None at all.

[DasGoravani]

I'm 51, and the trails of planes have been the same all my life, they have often drifted very slowly away, and they are engine exhaust, airplanes use cruder fuel than even diesel, it's very crude, and dirty, that's exhaust.. of course.. governments may manipulate included things.. but that's a pretty big conspiracy theory, like HAARP.. big talk.. I grew up in Oakland California, lots of airplanes, i'm autistic, i watch things, not all airplanes made visible trails, some did, they drifted as now

[DonnyHaze91]

@DasGoravani exhaust? there is no way that is exhaust, and that is not even the cover story, they claim they are persistant condensation trails. condensation does not persist like that.

[JimBridger100]

@Donny- it IS jet exhaust..jet exhaust is water vapor and soot...the vapor condenses and freezes into ice crystals...if the air is humid the ice will persist...just like a cirrus cloud.

As DKeith says...this is long observed, well understood physics that clearly establish the basic physics of contrail persistence and spreading....look up the term "contrail cirrus"

At least learn the basic science of contrail before you claim they are not contrails...that is if you want to be taken seriously..

[OTTONUS]

@JimBridger100 Why do jet trails expand and last long? Because the nuclei oxidizes. And for a nuclei to be oxidized, it must be some sort of element like aluminum, sulfur, etc.

This is physics.

[JimBridger100]

@OTTONUS - sorry...try again. The ice crystals formed in jet exhaust persist because the ambient air is humid enough. If the air is saturated with respect to ice, the ice crystals in contrails CANNOT dissipate (sublimate)- THAT is physics.

Why do cirrus clouds persist? Why does ANY cloud persist? Contrails are almost IDENTICAL to cirrus clouds...why can't they persist?

Look up the term "contrail cirrus"- and review decades of research documenting this phenomenon.

[JimBridger100]

@Donny - this paper is from 40yrs ago- describes EXACTLY what people cry in fear are "chemtrails:- read it...100s more:

Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail

Knollenberg

Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences

October 1972

"It is often observed that contrails spread considerably...Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed...If sufficient air traffic exists, and entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours."

[OTTONUS]

@JimBridger100 Check this video out "The Solar Radiation Management Governance Initiative" and especially from 4:02 to 5:51. Then come back and tell me what you understand.

Of course you have to take into account WHAT is EDF.

[JimBridger100]

@OTTONUS - what about it? SRM is one of a myriad of Geo-Eng possibilities and has long been discussed...

Nothing in that vid changes the basic physics that dictate the behavior of jet exhaust in the a cold, humid atmosphere. Contrails can and often do persist, spread and cover the sky in a layer of cirrus cloud. This is scientific and historical fact.

Discusiing possible geo-eng projects does not mean the a persistent contrail is really a "chemtrail".

[OTTONUS]

@JimBridger100 Good. Now tell me, HOW WOULD THEY (the possible geo-eng projects) LOOK LIKE.

They are going to reduce the sunlight, so there must be some visible diffenence on our sky, right?

[GregOrca]

@DonnyHaze91

"they claim they are persistant condensation trails. condensation does not persist like that."

Are you serious?

ROFLMAO

Clouds are CONDENSATION.

Condensation DOES persist like that!!!!

[JimBridger100]

@DonnyHaze91 said: "condensation does not persist like that."

Perhaps you could explain what clouds are and why they persist??

[triathlete007]

@DasGoravani Throw "What in the world are they spraying" into the youtube search.

[triathlete007]

"I don't know what a chemtrail is" What an idiot!!!!! Evergreen Aviation is known to be spraying it. Can't wait until his brain is full of aluminum.

[JimBridger100]

@triathlete007 - Evergreen aviation has 2 tanker for fire suppression...fail.

[triathlete007]

@JimBridger100

Even Evergreen boasts they are in the Weather Modification business HERE: on their own website.

"MARKETS:

• Firefighting

• Oil Spill Containment

• Weather Modification

• Biochemical Decontamination"

[JimBridger100]

@triathlete007 - yes- they have ONE supertanker capable of releasing material for weather modification...

"Weather Modification" is simply cloud seeding or hail supression...cloud seeding is not secret, been done for decades, doesn't leave trails, isn't done a high altitude...they typically shoot ice flares into rain clouds to enhance precipitation- often from rockets on the ground...

Evergreen's ONE tanker is not your source of supposed "chemtrail"...

[triathlete007]

@JimBridger100 The people on the internet referencing Evergreen weren't saying they were the sole source. I knew cloud seeding was going to be brought up as soon as it was mentioned. I have photos of sections of the sky where two planes are laying the Chemtrails and two others pass the same area at approximately the same altitude with the typical sublimating contrail. I have friends in Ecuador who just noticed the spraying starting 8 months ago after leaving the US.

[JimBridger100]

@triathlete007 - its well understood why 2 planes in the same sky can leave different trails..."approximately" the same alt? Even 1000 feet can be enough to change the atmosphere a few degrees or a drier patch. The atmosphere is quite variable...and can change in a matter of feet.

Why is there a cloud in one spot but feet away no cloud?

watch from the cockpit as 2 planes pass- the lower one in a more humid layer whilst the higher one is drier leaving a short trail:

watch?v=95HS8VQO4ig

[JimBridger100]

@triathlete007 - the "sole" source...they have ONE plane for "weather mod".

Seriously- research the science behind contrail formation and persistence...look up the term "contrail cirrus" and "supersaturated persistent contrail"

...at the very least so you are not fooled into thinking every persistent trail you see is a "chemtrail" because you don't remember them and herd (pun intended) on the internet

what do you make of these:

contrailscienceDOTcom/contrail­-photos-through-history/

[MsChapman77]

I want to put my foot up this guy's ass. He is an enemy to Canada and needs to be guillotined.

[pbotas]

i want to punch this guy

[DonnyHaze91]

@pbotas i want to do more than punch this guy...

[pbotas]

@DonnyHaze91 he knows it all fuckin coward

[DonnyHaze91]

@pbotas i think this guy is 100% NWO he knows exactly what is going on, if he doesnt then he is one of the dumbest people on earth. thats why i did not attend this. i would have ended up choking him

[pbotas]

@DonnyHaze91 he said some clear contradictions. But they made some mistakes too...

I often mention that those planes are not reported to the traffic monitoring systems, where we can see the "passengers plains" with many flight information.

I can tell that I've never seen one of those planes with identification, using binoculars ($50).

[TheSpitmitt]

@DonnyHaze91 Boy you aint kidding. He has the balls to act like he doesnt even know what a chemtrail is.

[MrLotineGuy]

We are Change make a big mistake in trying to debate the reasons for Chemtrails. David Keith was let off the hook too easily. Many people who have lived in other decades KNOW that the trails we currently see in the sky which linger for hours and hours, if not days, were NOT seen in the skies in the past. That is the real subject which should be debated!!!

[DonnyHaze91]

@MrLotineGuy i totally agree i dont think this was very well done it didnt seem like they had prepared at all for this. they did not have any structured arguments with evidence. If i was there it would have been alot different. i would make the arguments that are 100% proven, and make david keith look like a fool, then i would probably end up trying to choke him to death for being either such a fuckin idiot or an evil bastard. he has to be one of the two and im guessing he is evil.

[jaworskij]

@DonnyHaze91 , yeah, early in the interview, when they are discussing HAARP, the interviewers are made to appear stupid because they didn't word their preamble to their question properly...The We Are Change people were talking about a HAARP satellite where in fact they should have said that "in satellite photos you can see cloud patterns that appear as lines and are not natural". So the credibility of the We Are Change group was fcuk'd up early on.

[onefodderunit]

@MrLotineGuy

Been here five decades and never saw a chemtrail until1999 near Vancouver, WA. When they chem, there's no mistaken it There's a decade of video and photographic evidence of it in the public domain This weasel is what the enemy looks like, and he knows the side effects are harmful to all life on this planet. I'd bet his life on it.

[MrLotineGuy]

Oh and I forgot to mention the systematic murder of whistleblowers and the associated fear of this.

[MrLotineGuy]

The military has to keep secrets - it's known as the Official Secrets Act. Any civilians involved in the operation supply chain may not know anything about the big picture. And even if the scientists do know about the big picture, people have become so enslaved by debt that whistleblowing may result in the break up of their families. Many parts of the secret are out. For example Evergreen advertises 'weather modification' on its web site. David Keith doe not have a valid argument.

[mer77can]

Who is it that's speaking at 50:00? Right on the money

[mer77can]

@mer77can Everything has a harmonic signature - mess with the frequency and it changes everything in its field. Proven

[IWantAirClean]

I think the chemtrails make it hotter. The last couple of days I could smell the CT and taste them.

[mauibrad]

This fucker is a scumbag. He knows that nano sized aerosolized aluminum is toxic to for all animals to breath in.

[groundloop2010]

What about the geoengineering done by: coal plant flues, oil plants, gas plants, deforestation, city building, road building, industrial animal manure, mining, airplane vapor trails, supertanker bunker fuel vapor trails..etc.

[groundloop2010]

Hearing these people speak makes me want to cry. People are so dumb.

Global warming is simply going to wipe us out. And people like Keith are trying to prevent catastrophic warming, but people think its a hoax and instead mumble on about mind control conspiracies.

[groundloop2010]

It's funny - people believe that we're geoengineering, but they completely ignore the inadvertant geoengineering we are doing: Coal plant pollution, land-use-change, deforestation, contrails from airplanes, contrails from supertanker bunker fuel, city-building, gas and oil combustion,

industrial meat farming output, etc. 7 billion people are changing the very nature of earth.

My site covers the seriousness of global warming and the need for geoengineering: save-society.blogspot.com

[AussieBloke1972]

Think about it: Why would a guy (David Keith) claim to be oh so anti-pollution, yet be espousing putting more crap in the atmosphere deliberately by way of aerosol geo-engineering? Obviously he is a plant. He just wants to find out if there are any genuine leaks in the secret programme already well under way. Those WAC people are so gullible. Notice he couldn't do the interview without his "minder"! Wake up, WAC!

[Terrorizer321]

iv seen a video with this guy saying they are dumping tons of aliminium into the atmopshere and now hes saying he doesnt know anything about this? Wonder how much they are paying him ...

[DonnyHaze91]

@Terrorizer321 no what he said is that he is proposing to dump tons of aluminum oxide into the stratosphere. i know that is what they are doing but he didnt admit it, he said it was just a proposal.

[Terrorizer321]

@DonnyHaze91 already been proved dude

[DonnyHaze91]

@Terrorizer321 did you even bother to read my comment? I KNOW THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING BUT HE DIDN'T ADMIT IT, HE SAID IT WAS JUST A PROPOSAL. do you understand enlgish?

[MartinHDJ]

Dense white trails are produced when a seeding agent is injected into the hot engine manifold, rapidly expanding, mixing with exhaust gasses from a jet engine... Engine manifold injection... like red arrows

Another delivery method is suspending particles and boosting additives such as sulfur in jet fuel. Jet fuell additives and suspension of particulates...

Then the atomising laminar delivery system, where spraying systems are placed in the edge of the wing. Laminar microjet atomsier.

[ingodsgarden]

Some people really are cutting this man much more of a break than he deserves. If there is a worldwide chemtrails/geo-engineering initiative already running & in place (as we believe) he is well aware of it. History has shown that scientists/doctors can be well programmed to be part of the propaganda machine for covert government operations. What rewards do these (experts) reap - monetary incentives, infamy, influence & a chance to power trip on their own version of "authority" & play God.

[peacedreamerable]

Does it go something like "the only thing worse than ignorance is arogance"

[ConspiracyRangr]

Hes a douchebag SHILL!!! HATE THIS GUY!!! He walks around the issues and LIES!

[hawkeyicockburn]

I appreciate most work by WE ARE CHANGE but this chem trail versus com trails is a detraction from the important work WAC does with 9/11.

[DonnyHaze91]

@hawkeyicockburn what? this is not Calgary 9/11 Truth, This is We Are Change, WAC edals with all the problems of globalization and the corrupt NWO, calgary 9/11 Truth does some good work here, and WAC will be joining Calgary 9/11 Truth for the 10th Anniversary rally here. This takes nothing away from 9/11...

[Nooptu]

David Keith is a fraud. He's more concerned with being accepted as a "legitimate scientist" than he is with dealing with reality. Guys like him will sacrifice a million lives to keep their access to grants, etc.

And the ridiculous idea that government can't keep secrets. There are thousands of secret operations going on as we speak and 99% of Americans know NOTHING about them.

You can count the number of major whistleblowers in the past 10 years on ONE hand.

Keith's a coward and a fraud.

[lookupstupid]

1 word - Staged!

I was waiting to see his reaction when they broke out the live action footage of 737's belching 4 Chemtrails with 2 GE Engines! Wow! They blew it... Almost looks like a set up of Retards. No excuse for being so unprepared.

How about the gay Naturopath?!? What a flamer. He should be the Scarcrow in the Wizard of Oz who had no brain! HA!

Keith was smarter than the whole group interviewing him put together; and a very GOOD LIAR!

[DonnyHaze91]

@lookupstupid this was not staged, the group was not prepared because they didnt have time to prepare really, it was kind of a last minute thing. and why attack the homosexual? who cares!

[lookupstupid]

1 word - Staged!

I was waiting to see his reaction when they broke out the live action footage of 737's belching 4 Chemtrails with 2 GE Engines! Wow! They blew it... Almost looks like a set up of Retards. No excuse for being so unprepared.

How about the gay Naturopath?!? What a flamer. He should be the Scarcrow in the Wizard of Oz who had no brain! HA!

Keith was smarter than the whole group interviewing him put together; and a very GOOD LIAR!

I hope he and the other psychos

[STEVEDIGIBOYtv]

This dude would be easy to corner if you stuck on geoengineering particulate radiative forcing. He is so playingthe haarp hype which is a diversion from weather and solar heat control. This guy is a specialist wanker not a politician you get statements from. Stop playing their game calling them chemtrails, morgellons, haarp, all that crap is pulp.

[hitman748]

Why the fuck wouldnt you show up with proof in the first place??? OHHHHH just so we come back for interview number 2? or 3? maybe even a 5 parter? Gimme a fucking break, you get a sit down with someone like this, you bring RESEARCH AND DATA....You fucking failed all of us this day.

[DonnyHaze91]

@hitman748 I totally agree with you. they were not prepared, why? i do not know. i was asked to attend but i did not want to because i would end up strangling this son of a bitch. Oh well, something is better than nothing, atleast we know now that this douchebag that studied physics thinks 2 planes took out the WTC. He obviously knows the truth about chemtrails and will not budge because he is on the payroll of rockerfeller and carnegie...

[hitman748]

@DonnyHaze91 Who are the ones in this video if you supposedly know them...I would personally like to say "fuck you retards" to them....this man, if he had any worries about how close people were getting to the truth, he no longer does...You ALL looked like a bunch of uneducated tin foil hatters....You were given the opportunity of a lifetime and you FUCKING BLEW IT!!!!

[DonnyHaze91]

@hitman748 i dont really know them but it was We Are Change calgary and some ppl from another group i dont know. I agree with you 100% i was pissed when i saw this too...

[hitman748]

@DonnyHaze91 So get this...WE are change Calgary just so happens to be on the Alex Jones show as of late....No fucking wonder why they blew it, they were told to. We are so fucked on so many levels unless we start to actually do something. Hope you stay safe my friend. ALso, for whoever reads this, I am just a normal everyday American 30 something male. Went to motorcycle school, lived my life pretty simple. I dont care about money, I do care about freedom, I am like you...We must act...soon

[DonnyHaze91]

@hitman748 we are change calgary was never on the alex jones show, that was this fuckin douchebag kid that made that video saying 9/11 was an inside job on the walmart speakers, and now this kid is a fuckin hardstyle DJ that can give 2 fucks about the movement. He has nothing to do with We Are Change Calgary, and that was like 3 years ago.

[DonnyHaze91]

they were not told by AJ to blow this interview, i just think they didnt have good planning and i dont think they could meet up before the interview. We Are Change Calgary has nothing to do with Alex Jones, they act as a sovereign group not following anyones lead except their own, trust me i know i have been following the group for some time they do good work but i think they just fucked this up, not on purpose. hopefully they do get to interview him again and they actually bring some evidence.

[DonnyHaze91]

@hitman748 if they were being controlled they would not have been able to get the Fluoride out of the water. this group does alot of good work they just messed this one up.

[VooDooU22X]

profesional bullshit

[JazzyJofLA]

2 of 2..not even a "No thank you". According to what I was told by NBC, what I sent apparently wasn't "newsworthy". I reported this back in Octovber of 2009 and they are still spraying this stuff. I really can't believe that anyone is not "aware" of chemtrails, especially when the sky gets so clouded with the spead of these trails that you cant even see the sky. Filmed "Black Friday" in 09 and it was horrible. None of the officials knew anything was in the sky?? I hope he looks into this.

[adjuk]

Interesting post. Just to clarify HAARP did not cause the destruction of the WTC - this is not what is described in Where Did the Towers go. People can google "Hurricane Erin and 911" and google "911 and the Hutchison Effect". Also see videos on my channel.

Sadly, David Keith is invested heavily in the CO2 myth and things that SRM is cool. He may never have heard of Wilhelm Reich or those who have reproduced some of his work.

[DonnyHaze91]

@adjuk i think what he was trying to get to is that he could understand 9/11 was an inside job it might make him beleif that the government could cover up a massive chemtrail program. This guy studied physics and thinks 2 plkanes took out the WTC? hes obviously on the pay roll of Carnegie and Rockerfeller

[adjuk]

@DonnyHaze91 He could well be unaware that he is "on the payroll" - as he may not have investigated the background of the private entities that fund some of his research. And this is part of the problem that Eisenhower warned about in 1961. I read that part out at a meeting in London in Nov 2010 - I believe Mr Keith was in the room at the time.

[JazzyJofLA]

I'm sorry, I'm not very scientific so I would like to post a very basic question. They are spraying this stuff all over the world and it seems here, when there are holidays when most people are out and about, they are spraying even more. They are spraying and still spraying here. I see it all the time. So if this is happening all over the world and its "nothing", as some have claimed, why are they not saying what is going on? Even the media won't report it. I personally contacted the news.

[DonnyHaze91]

@JazzyJofLA yes they dont even want to go on the news and call it a conspiracy theory because anyone with half a brain left will know that it is not a theory and is fact, we are being sprayed like bugs

[JazzyJofLA]

@DonnyHaze91 That's a big thank you.

[meushubris]

Awesome talk! Thank you seriously for uploading this for those of us that are Awake.

[DianeDi]

Well riddle me this Professor David Keith - why do I have a PDF document titled; *AURORA FLIGHT SCIENCES COST ESTIMATE* ? Google this a you will see this document *GEOENGINEERING COST ANALYSIS*, that was presented to you at the University of Calgary. The PDF link is listed and dated October 2010.... this estimate has taken all aspects into consideration and the scale and dollar amount is truly staggering. I believe David Keith knows a lot more than he will ever admit.

[DonnyHaze91]

@DianeDi David Keith is the one who published that report. I have read it extensively and it outlines different deployment methods for aerosol spraying, and cost analysis. It does not admit that any of this is currently ongoing, but it has a cost analysis that shows that it is NOT very expensive and can be done very easily and cheaply.

[DianeDi]

@DonnyHaze91 Thanks, & you're quite right, no admission of anything ongoing. After watching this "great" upload, I can see that David Keith is a very intelligent science / physics based individual... yet, how can anyone so clever not try to "think outside the box". He has eyes, he can watch two planes fly through the sky at approx. the same altitude, one leaves a trail, one does not. Some turn on and off midstream - I could list many *ah ha* moments however he only wants cold hard documentation.

[DianeDi]

@DonnyHaze91 If you have any suggestions - perhaps the group here can help with information, links, leads, etc. I know the - U.K. House of Commons Science and Technology Committee - posted a PDF file *The Regulation of Geoengineering* where they do state that this is occurring "some—albeit very small scale—geoengineering testing is already underway". No doubt you've seen that file.

I also want to say thanks for pointing out Dr. Judy Woods' investigation. This is extremely important info.

[WellSightedGentleman]

@DianeDi small in relation to the whole planet perhaps, absolutley HUGE if you happened to be living beneath it.

[iwasthatdolphin]

@DonnyHaze91

Here you can hear Keith brag about a nano-fabrication study on *exactly* how it could be done so very easily and cheaply..

0:00 to 0:26

/watch?v=9acoRm3P56s&feature=r­elated

Thanks for this.

[iwasthatdolphin]

@iwasthatdolphin

Sorry - can't seem to get this link correct.

However the video is called : Geoengineering The Climate via Chemtrails

uploaded by paftmont on 26th Nov 2010

[ChemTrailSkys]

We tried to do a Story for our Town. {LaPine Oregon} They have a Nitrate problem in our Ground Water. They didnt want to HEAR anything to do with ChemTrails! We have an Algae Problem every year,so bad you can't even touch the water. They tell you NOT to eat the fish either. We are still getting snow and below freezing weather but they are reporting on a BUMPER CROP of Mosquitos this year..Be Prepared Sheeple! Oregon's Governor and the Mayors' of Bend, LaPine & Redmond Oregon DO NOT give a Damn!