In order to make treatment (as we know it) work in every non-western country would require an overhaul of tradition and cultural habits. Shame culture and focus on community are the reason that a lot of these treatments (based on personal and individual empowerment) aren't suited for the non-western 'market'. I wonder though how the development of treatments that would fit the Japanese culture (in this case) is coming along... They must know they have a relatively insane suicide rate.
Wow I'm glad you explained that you stopped speaking Ingrish & started talking in Nihon Go.......... For a moment there I thought my brain had stopped understanding my native tongue. Whew!
It makes a lot of sense with regards to peaked environmental depression being comment in Japan with people working over 12 hrs a day in some cases and not bitching about how you hate your job and your life. Sometimes all people in life need is a friend who will listen. Human connection serves a huge purpose. It seems, Japanese people lack empathy to some degree. They have beautiful old, old customs and that's lovely but lacking in compassion regarding mental illnesses is cold IMO.
@KBeOKEH They dont lack compassion or any feelings, there culture for thousands of years has been about self countrol and the correct way to act in public AND in private. Because of this control they find little ways to self expression, unlike the west how we show our bodys and dramatise and everything is big and wonderfull. In Japan the way a person bats there eyelids or moves there rist or shows the nape of there neck is the difference between happy and sad.
@KBeOKEH I answer lately to this comment.I would like to point out to you that Japan is probably the country in the world where you can do all the stress relief you mentioned.Also just to name a few arcade bar karaoke and such are generally a good way to steam out some frustration after a hard day at work before going home to care your children or wife properly. :).PS:I am talking about those option with your friends around as well :).
@KBeOKEH You are right though in Japan psychological issue generally is a shame to talk to co-worker and other people.It is sad but there is nothing much that can be done about that. :(
When you are able to think in Japanese, you are a true master. Most people think about things using their first language (mine is English), If you can do this in another language, that is truly amazing.
atleast, i've heard of a case of DV where a woman was beaten up severely, and for hours on end, but since there was no blood, the cops didn't do anything.
So if someone gets arrested in japan for attempting to commit suicide , are there any charges? since they cant be sent to a metal institution , what do they do to them? or do they just send them back home?
Good, but your accent is kind of annoying. Why do most white guys sound like they are coughing shit out of their mouth when they speak Japanese? try to speak a little more relaxed, like Osaka-ben or something.
In case of asia many feudal traditions affect peoples life on daily basis compare to west. Only few former/present communist countries erased that feudal elements with bullets and blood including N.Korea, China, Veitnam, Laotia, Mongolia and central asia. But Japan, S.Korea and rest of south asia did not erase their social feudal elements except some constitutional outlawing. Possibly that is why these countries experience such unique serious situations.
I remember that some famous japanese book writers cry out that working in japanese companies is same as living in feudal tribe. But obviously that is changing quickly in the last 15 years starting with abolishing lifetime employment things etc...
I'm familiar with the system of Yangbangs in Korea, which the Japanese themselves abolished under colonial rule. Communism is very popular in Japan so there are many who might see Japan's issues in that light, but I think Japan's rapid modernization democratization and and education meant that even in the Meiji period, 150 years ago, social mobility became possible for nearly all Japanese. Capitalism itself may be a cause of many problems, but I don't think it is the same as feudalism, myself.
The point is in Japan each year out of 30 000 plus suicides there are more than 10 000 underaged children commiting suicides. It is very incomprehensible for modern civilized society standard and I'd say there are too many old time pheodalistic social elements hurting Japanese society hence the too much pressure on children. I am in no position to judge Japanese society just following the initial video commenting frame or the open mini-debate I hope.
Before wwll end or until 1945 majority of japanese population were living under deep pheodalistic social order and land was owned by solely pheodal owners. Especially in asian social situation pheodalistic social relationship much later prohibited unless that country was communist country. In case of Mongolia communism took over in 1921 and all the pheodal subjects and social elements strictly erased off the existense.
In fact in the last 10 years around 100 000 Japanese children gone through suicide which is equal to 1/3 civilian casualty or women and children killed in recent Iraq war initiated by NATO. So at some point it is silent war situation for civil life in the asian top nation (as economy wise).
Thanks for the follow up. You are very right that the high suicide rates are a big problem, although not that unique. My own country, NZ, and Finland both have higher rates of youth suicide, but of course it is unacceptable in all cases.
I think you are wrong to look at modern Japanese society as being in any way linked to WWII, and it is also incorrect to see post Meiji Japan as being feudalistic. Ordinary Japanese owned land and property, unlike the case for peasants in Korea and China.
You can see the proof of how so many ordinary people owned land in the modern urban design of Tokyo - roads are narrow and almost impossible for cars to go down, because even when Tokyo was completely destroyed in WWII, people came back to Tokyo and refused to allow the government to widen roads or nationalize their private property.
The ethical and moral transformation of Japan since wwll is still going on and too slowly. I'd say wwll tragedy of japan physically ended their pheodalistic approach to society possibly now they need healthy cultural revolution to transform themselves into more tolerant and flexible plus less pride concentrated culture.
I'm not sure I understand you. There are some old fashioned stoic ideas in Japan still about depression, addiction and mental illness, but I think overall, Japanese culture is very open and tolerant. Maybe more so than my own in some respects. Can you be more specific?
Hearing about psychologists is almost unheard of. You have probably little to none in Osaka. Maybe a few in Tokyo, maybe a handful. Even those are mostly gaijin... Japan just doesn't really
have any kind of facilities for that. It's actually a big problem... Social and mental health issues are treated at though they were being treated in America or other Western countries about, I would say, 70 years ago.
1:39 "There are psychiatrists, but if you know the difference, a psychiatrist only deals in the medicine, and a psychologist actually deals in actually counselling the person verbally. You know medicine can only help so much, most of the time, people actually need to be talked to about what their problem is, what their pain is, or what they're suffering through."
@Hikosaemon QUOTE There are psychiatrists, but if you know the difference, a psychiatrist only deals in the medicine, and a psychologist actually deals in actually counselling the person verbally. ...people actually need to be talked to about what their problem is, what their pain is, or what they're suffering...
..................
Psychoanalysis can help decipher for the patient the causes behind their faulty behaviour or character traits; can help heal.
Honestly, I don't want to raise my future child in most Asian countries with 受験戦争. In South Korea, many kids(primary+secondary+浪人) commit suicide concerning their grades. One 二浪 girl fell from topfloor as she thought she had failed her university entrance exam. Is it also common news in Japan too? I know that いじめ is also one of the main reason for teenage suicide in both countries.
I'm not closely connected to education so I can't speak authoritatively, but I know that with the recession, Juku were among the hardest hit - parents are not sending their kids along like they used to. I have heard it is crazy in Taiwan and Korea like it was in the 80s in Japan, but Japan seems to have moved beyond that to a degree.
I don't think you can protect kids from bullying or cliques by not having them in Asia. These things tend to happen everywhere. And NZ for example has a worse teen suicide rate than Japan does.
I have some reservations about the Japanese education system, mainly for the general trend of not fostering creativity in children and generating kids uninterested in learning. I don't think though that social problems for kids in school here are much different from anywhere else.
hey thanks for the video response. every country has its woes, but some of the social and mental health problems i see in japan are utterly heart breaking.
another book everyone might want to check out is "shutting out the sun" by Michael Zielenziger. this book calls out alot of antagonists for the levels of brutal stress in japan. it also delves into why the nation is plagued by the anomaly of so called "hikkikomori."
It's a shame to though that people even deny that there are issues with children with exceptionalities. There are loads of kids with high functioning Austistic disorders, adhd, dyslexia, etc., but families completely deny that as well. It's heartbreaking as a teacher to sometimes see students who aren't given a chance to succeed because of their parents' (in my opinion) foolish pride!
and no one at his university has any idea how to react around him, which usually leads to everybody just ignoring him, in the uk people would get that he's different and feel a need to look after him, ask him if hes alright now and then
its sad really in 4 years the only friend he made was someone with aspergers
Wow, that's sad. But being honest, I don't know that people with autism find it much easier to make friends anywhere else. Also, in Japan, the sense of duty among extended family to look after ill family members is much stronger than I have seen in other countries, but certainly, I can imagine how it would be difficult for such a person in general society in Japan.
There was once on the news here that Japan had a special day (perhaps Valentines day), where you could get on a stage somewhere and shout as loud as you can how much you love your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband. They never really said "I love you" until then, they felt relieved that they could finally say it, but feeling embarrassed as well.
They should share more emotions with each other, depression, etc. but also the "simple" stuff like "i love you"
eh your alright
kariwazhere72 1 week ago
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MatthewHowardWight 1 week ago
Note to self: White person speaking fluent Japanese sounds like Israeli Hebrew.
SepherStar 3 weeks ago
@SepherStar
sh sounds like he has a russian accent
johnson1095 1 week ago
In order to make treatment (as we know it) work in every non-western country would require an overhaul of tradition and cultural habits. Shame culture and focus on community are the reason that a lot of these treatments (based on personal and individual empowerment) aren't suited for the non-western 'market'. I wonder though how the development of treatments that would fit the Japanese culture (in this case) is coming along... They must know they have a relatively insane suicide rate.
firecracker4070 1 month ago
Too much cloudy weather.
BobLeKatt 1 month ago
Nice stereo equipment :)
tastyandready2play 1 month ago
You are wonderful and objective
asagi999 2 months ago
A Japanese girl cuts her wrist in your apartment? That raises a few questions...
ObjectiveHate 2 months ago
You have left and betrayed your own country.
The land where your mother had you; raised you.
Your land.
"Shamefur dispray"
modshroom 2 months ago
@modshroom you don't judge him like that. Rog off, and crose now (in haste)
mistersmith6000 2 months ago
Wow I'm glad you explained that you stopped speaking Ingrish & started talking in Nihon Go.......... For a moment there I thought my brain had stopped understanding my native tongue. Whew!
BelloBudo007 4 months ago
It makes a lot of sense with regards to peaked environmental depression being comment in Japan with people working over 12 hrs a day in some cases and not bitching about how you hate your job and your life. Sometimes all people in life need is a friend who will listen. Human connection serves a huge purpose. It seems, Japanese people lack empathy to some degree. They have beautiful old, old customs and that's lovely but lacking in compassion regarding mental illnesses is cold IMO.
KBeOKEH 4 months ago 11
@KBeOKEH They dont lack compassion or any feelings, there culture for thousands of years has been about self countrol and the correct way to act in public AND in private. Because of this control they find little ways to self expression, unlike the west how we show our bodys and dramatise and everything is big and wonderfull. In Japan the way a person bats there eyelids or moves there rist or shows the nape of there neck is the difference between happy and sad.
NaruGaaLOVER 1 month ago
@KBeOKEH I answer lately to this comment.I would like to point out to you that Japan is probably the country in the world where you can do all the stress relief you mentioned.Also just to name a few arcade bar karaoke and such are generally a good way to steam out some frustration after a hard day at work before going home to care your children or wife properly. :).PS:I am talking about those option with your friends around as well :).
tiboy6969 1 month ago
@KBeOKEH You are right though in Japan psychological issue generally is a shame to talk to co-worker and other people.It is sad but there is nothing much that can be done about that. :(
tiboy6969 1 month ago
@KBeOKEH
I AGREE 100%
i hope Japan catches up with the times soon
johnson1095 1 week ago
When you are able to think in Japanese, you are a true master. Most people think about things using their first language (mine is English), If you can do this in another language, that is truly amazing.
freedfighter96 4 months ago
@freedfighter96 Not true at all. You can think in another language but still have bad pronunciation and poor communication skills.
HoosierMF 2 months ago
@HoosierMF Totally agree. Waku Miller is a good example - his spoken Japanese is awful.
spackstic 1 month ago
subarishi awesome
zacattackawesome 5 months ago
Is crime in Japan perceived as very low because it's at many times swept under the rug?
IWantMyVisionBack 6 months ago
@IWantMyVisionBack
yep, i think so.
atleast, i've heard of a case of DV where a woman was beaten up severely, and for hours on end, but since there was no blood, the cops didn't do anything.
310BPM 5 months ago
@The63mao he has lived there for like a decade or more i believe...
Dakuroz 8 months ago
damn i'm in love with you
lukkha1 8 months ago
Your Japanese is fuckin amazing!
theendofel 9 months ago 27
@theendofel yeah cause WEEABOO ZEALOTS dont know what it FUCKING SOUNDS LIKE u like japan because of anime naturally u wont know shit lol
GrammarGI 2 weeks ago
So if someone gets arrested in japan for attempting to commit suicide , are there any charges? since they cant be sent to a metal institution , what do they do to them? or do they just send them back home?
Beholdthebeast 9 months ago
@Beholdthebeast there are no mental institution in Japan, I suppose?
HiroIndo16 6 months ago
@The63mao
What brings you to Carnegie Hall?
42317 1 year ago
Yes, this guy saying truth. There aren't many mental support institutions in Japan.
tokyocityrat 1 year ago
Your japanese is brilliant!
Dont mind some of the donuts on here saying nasty things
Htaimuri 1 year ago
@Htaimuri Hey, I EAT donuts for breakfast.
No, seriously... Actually, I've gotta start cutting back....
Hikosaemon 1 year ago
@Hikosaemon
wakaruuu~ i eat curry. demo yamenai. yametakunai. eat whatever makes you happy ^_^
Rabiee27 1 year ago
Good, but your accent is kind of annoying. Why do most white guys sound like they are coughing shit out of their mouth when they speak Japanese? try to speak a little more relaxed, like Osaka-ben or something.
Muraku666 1 year ago
@Muraku666 Way to be arse hole, eh?
Temposama 1 year ago
@Muraku666 osaka-ben more relaxing? His accent is better than most I've heard
BRAINCONSTRUCTION 1 year ago
this guys japanese is pretty good! so for those of you who are watching... be impressed!
effik3 1 year ago
@effik3
why, i dont have to be
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
In case of asia many feudal traditions affect peoples life on daily basis compare to west. Only few former/present communist countries erased that feudal elements with bullets and blood including N.Korea, China, Veitnam, Laotia, Mongolia and central asia. But Japan, S.Korea and rest of south asia did not erase their social feudal elements except some constitutional outlawing. Possibly that is why these countries experience such unique serious situations.
videouzleg 2 years ago
I remember that some famous japanese book writers cry out that working in japanese companies is same as living in feudal tribe. But obviously that is changing quickly in the last 15 years starting with abolishing lifetime employment things etc...
videouzleg 2 years ago
I'm familiar with the system of Yangbangs in Korea, which the Japanese themselves abolished under colonial rule. Communism is very popular in Japan so there are many who might see Japan's issues in that light, but I think Japan's rapid modernization democratization and and education meant that even in the Meiji period, 150 years ago, social mobility became possible for nearly all Japanese. Capitalism itself may be a cause of many problems, but I don't think it is the same as feudalism, myself.
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
By the way, thank you for the thought-provoking comments!
Peace
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
The point is in Japan each year out of 30 000 plus suicides there are more than 10 000 underaged children commiting suicides. It is very incomprehensible for modern civilized society standard and I'd say there are too many old time pheodalistic social elements hurting Japanese society hence the too much pressure on children. I am in no position to judge Japanese society just following the initial video commenting frame or the open mini-debate I hope.
videouzleg 2 years ago
Before wwll end or until 1945 majority of japanese population were living under deep pheodalistic social order and land was owned by solely pheodal owners. Especially in asian social situation pheodalistic social relationship much later prohibited unless that country was communist country. In case of Mongolia communism took over in 1921 and all the pheodal subjects and social elements strictly erased off the existense.
videouzleg 2 years ago
In fact in the last 10 years around 100 000 Japanese children gone through suicide which is equal to 1/3 civilian casualty or women and children killed in recent Iraq war initiated by NATO. So at some point it is silent war situation for civil life in the asian top nation (as economy wise).
videouzleg 2 years ago
Thanks for the follow up. You are very right that the high suicide rates are a big problem, although not that unique. My own country, NZ, and Finland both have higher rates of youth suicide, but of course it is unacceptable in all cases.
I think you are wrong to look at modern Japanese society as being in any way linked to WWII, and it is also incorrect to see post Meiji Japan as being feudalistic. Ordinary Japanese owned land and property, unlike the case for peasants in Korea and China.
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
You can see the proof of how so many ordinary people owned land in the modern urban design of Tokyo - roads are narrow and almost impossible for cars to go down, because even when Tokyo was completely destroyed in WWII, people came back to Tokyo and refused to allow the government to widen roads or nationalize their private property.
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
The ethical and moral transformation of Japan since wwll is still going on and too slowly. I'd say wwll tragedy of japan physically ended their pheodalistic approach to society possibly now they need healthy cultural revolution to transform themselves into more tolerant and flexible plus less pride concentrated culture.
videouzleg 2 years ago
I'm not sure I understand you. There are some old fashioned stoic ideas in Japan still about depression, addiction and mental illness, but I think overall, Japanese culture is very open and tolerant. Maybe more so than my own in some respects. Can you be more specific?
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
You talk really fast in english aswell! And I was born in England! O_O' I was like wooooahhh! Too much at 9pm tbh!
PockeyRu 2 years ago
Holy shit your japanese is really fluent, how long did it take to learn to speak that fluently?
martjalartistvannabe 2 years ago
Hearing about psychologists is almost unheard of. You have probably little to none in Osaka. Maybe a few in Tokyo, maybe a handful. Even those are mostly gaijin... Japan just doesn't really
have any kind of facilities for that. It's actually a big problem... Social and mental health issues are treated at though they were being treated in America or other Western countries about, I would say, 70 years ago.
Tnakamura11 2 years ago
彼は精神病の施設はあって問題ないとは言っていません。あったとしたらどの部分ですか？友達をかばいたいのはわかりますがあなたの指摘はフェアではないと思います。
あなたの日本語の能力ならわかるでしょう。変な日本語を紹介している分にはまだ我慢できますが上記の非常に誤った指摘は精神医療で働く人への侮辱です。
Tnakamura11 2 years ago
Psychiatrist＝精神科医、精神分析医
Psychologist＝心理学者、精神分析医
精神科医じゃなくて、悩みを抱えている人には心のカウンセリングができる施設がの施設が少ないという指摘だと理解しています。私はこういう話に詳しくないし、数字等ももちろんわからないけど、お互いに少々理解のずれがあると見られます。少し役立てたら幸いです m(_'_)m
Peace
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
返信ありがとうございます。
あなたに言ってもしょうがないと思いますが Japan just doesn't really have any kind of facilities for that.を 少ないとは解釈できません。
彼の変な日本語シリーズ(Street Japanese Lesson)を含め誰も注意してあげる人がいないのは不幸なことだと思っています。
Tnakamura11 2 years ago
まぁ、彼の細かい言葉遣い気に入らないのがよく理解できます。
ですが、大目に見ると、日本にはカウンセリング・サービスのインフラ・認識がまだ十分ではないという指摘が特に間違ってはいないと思いますし、普通のマスコミによく話題になっていますね。
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
自分では詳しくないのですが、話題としては有効だと思いますし、日本人同士でももっと取り上げるべきのではないかと思っています。
ネーティブとしてかれの英語の言葉遣いが大きな誤解を招く恐れはそんなにないと思いますので、少し大目に見ても良いと思います。
コメントをありがとうございました。
Peace
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
とげのある言い方をやめませんか。Hikosaemonさんが丁寧で思いやりのある日本語で書いているのとは対照的です。（それだけHikosaemonさんの日本語がお上手だという事ですが）引用元は少し誇張気味だともとれますが、英語は論旨の方向に少し煽りながら話す言語だと思って寛容にいきましょうよ。
ucchiucchi 2 years ago
Hikosaemonさんにも返信しましたが彼のリサーチ不足、間違いを指摘する人が誰もいないので（Hikosaemonさんも含め）少々厳しい言い方になったのかもしれません。
私もパーティーへの誘い文句が「僕はのりのりだぜ」とか、普段の挨拶で「どうもこうもねーよ」などの日本語を教えてる分には我慢していました。
Tnakamura11 2 years ago
奥さんが日本人なので確認すればそんなビデオは作れないはずですが。しかし、「心理学者は大阪、東京に2～3人、そのほとんどが外国人だ。精神病の施設は日本にはない。精神病は欧米の70年前のように処置されている。児童ポルノを規制する法律は2～3年前にようやく作られた」などの指摘は誇張ですむのでしょうか？
Tnakamura11 2 years ago
英語を話す人には確かに日本人からすれば誇張する人は多いのは事実です。しかし、事実を伝えたり、まっとうな議論を交わしたりするにも足りる言語でもあるはずです。しかも奥さんの妹さんは精神科医だそうです。これもちょっと調べればわかることでしょう。
Tnakamura11 2 years ago
1:39 "There are psychiatrists, but if you know the difference, a psychiatrist only deals in the medicine, and a psychologist actually deals in actually counselling the person verbally. You know medicine can only help so much, most of the time, people actually need to be talked to about what their problem is, what their pain is, or what they're suffering through."
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
@Hikosaemon QUOTE There are psychiatrists, but if you know the difference, a psychiatrist only deals in the medicine, and a psychologist actually deals in actually counselling the person verbally. ...people actually need to be talked to about what their problem is, what their pain is, or what they're suffering...
..................
Psychoanalysis can help decipher for the patient the causes behind their faulty behaviour or character traits; can help heal.
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Expensive.
.
.
Cheers.
from,
del-boy.
Dddddorian 2 months ago
Honestly, I don't want to raise my future child in most Asian countries with 受験戦争. In South Korea, many kids(primary+secondary+浪人) commit suicide concerning their grades. One 二浪 girl fell from topfloor as she thought she had failed her university entrance exam. Is it also common news in Japan too? I know that いじめ is also one of the main reason for teenage suicide in both countries.
smily0612 2 years ago
I'm not closely connected to education so I can't speak authoritatively, but I know that with the recession, Juku were among the hardest hit - parents are not sending their kids along like they used to. I have heard it is crazy in Taiwan and Korea like it was in the 80s in Japan, but Japan seems to have moved beyond that to a degree.
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
I don't think you can protect kids from bullying or cliques by not having them in Asia. These things tend to happen everywhere. And NZ for example has a worse teen suicide rate than Japan does.
I have some reservations about the Japanese education system, mainly for the general trend of not fostering creativity in children and generating kids uninterested in learning. I don't think though that social problems for kids in school here are much different from anywhere else.
Peace
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
hey thanks for the video response. every country has its woes, but some of the social and mental health problems i see in japan are utterly heart breaking.
another book everyone might want to check out is "shutting out the sun" by Michael Zielenziger. this book calls out alot of antagonists for the levels of brutal stress in japan. it also delves into why the nation is plagued by the anomaly of so called "hikkikomori."
unrested 2 years ago
hmmm. I think I'll check that out.
klynik 2 years ago
japanese films have a lot of suicide scenes.
decoysupreme 2 years ago
It's a shame to though that people even deny that there are issues with children with exceptionalities. There are loads of kids with high functioning Austistic disorders, adhd, dyslexia, etc., but families completely deny that as well. It's heartbreaking as a teacher to sometimes see students who aren't given a chance to succeed because of their parents' (in my opinion) foolish pride!
Nice response. Very interesting.
BusanKevin 2 years ago
I have an autistic friend in japan,
and no one at his university has any idea how to react around him, which usually leads to everybody just ignoring him, in the uk people would get that he's different and feel a need to look after him, ask him if hes alright now and then
its sad really in 4 years the only friend he made was someone with aspergers
chris41188 2 years ago
Wow, that's sad. But being honest, I don't know that people with autism find it much easier to make friends anywhere else. Also, in Japan, the sense of duty among extended family to look after ill family members is much stronger than I have seen in other countries, but certainly, I can imagine how it would be difficult for such a person in general society in Japan.
Peace
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
There's a book on that kind of stuff? What the hell?
FadedHonesty1 2 years ago
"Kanzen Jisatsu Manyuaru" - yep. The book was and remains extremely controversial but it is still a top seller in Japan.
Hikosaemon 2 years ago
Thanks for pointing me to the video man.
There was once on the news here that Japan had a special day (perhaps Valentines day), where you could get on a stage somewhere and shout as loud as you can how much you love your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband. They never really said "I love you" until then, they felt relieved that they could finally say it, but feeling embarrassed as well.
They should share more emotions with each other, depression, etc. but also the "simple" stuff like "i love you"
TheDutchGaijin 2 years ago