Go to a Youtube video called "China in Revolution 1911-49 part 2" then starting around 8:10 you'll see two men being executed - shot in the back of the head with military rifles. Notice that both men go violently forward, as does all the blood and brain matter. This is what JFK's head SHOULD have done.
No one ever heard of the jet effect/neurospasm nonsense until Lone-nutters felt compelled to explain the Zapruder film.
I lean toward one shooter but I would like to see a test of 3 bullets on a moving vehicle. 2 marine sharp shooters could not reproduce the three shot in the allotted time.The marines were interviewed by the Warren Commission. They also state that if they couldn't make the shot how did someone who FAILED (non-qual) the first test (Oswald) make the shots?
AND Kennedy's head wound was much larger in the back. Most recreations show the right occipital blown away. There 'simulation' does show that.
@bobzeda I agree He used a Carcano,but the Scope was not a cheapo,and the Car was not moving,as was the original shot.....so the Shooter had to be more than an Expect Marksman than this guy.
Major problem with this video. Jfk's head moved back and to the left when he was hit. I also notice they did not simulate the throat shot. If the vehicle was moving away from Oswald wouldn't the throat shot have been from a 75-90 degree angle instead of directly back to front? I don't know why these guys don't actually try to make this accurate. Its dishonesty by omission. It calls the whole thing into question.
@elmariachiterry JFK's head moved forward upon impact, even his back moved forward of the seat (frames 312 to 314 show this when slowed). The likely reason he moved backward and to the left was; a neuromuscular spasm associated w/ the right side of his brain being destroyed. Or simply the energy released from the right side of his head driving him in the opposite direction.
@frankdrebin That is correct. Also his heavy metal backbrace kept him vertical in his seat after the throat shot and would have also had some effect on his body movement after the headshot also.
That's pretty much it. People fail to take into account the muscular spasms associated with sudden brain injury. They also tend to ignore that his overall body movement (before and after his getting killed) was heavily influenced by the back brace he was wearing.
@frankdrebin If the right side of his brain was destroyed how come the supplemenatl examination of the brain shows it is 1500 grams? 1500 grams is the weight of normal brain of a man who died natural causes.
I'm a guy who think that the whole AJFK thing is very suspect, and do actually lean to a shooter in the Depository, but this "test' has a lot of flaws, and assumes alot on the side of the and leaves out alot more like the movement of the head, and a the angles people claim they saw other shooters and how the patterns match up with them, if your going to debunk something, go the whole nine yards, don't just says "this matches up close enough so this is the only way possible, ever."
Not impressed with this AT all. I find this extremely flawed. And the makers obsession with the grassy knoll just goes to show their narrow-minded approach to this investigation . They might have hit the rubber stationary head after having 5 minutes to line up the shot but they missed the probable truth by MILES !
Please respond: 1.Why is the target always stationary in these recreations and not moving at 11.2 mph as X-100 was moving on Elm on Nov. 22?! 2. Why don't they ever put a dummy in front of the target approximating John Connolly's position using tissue to see if the bullet goes through the target's neck, throat, and then through the dummy's rib and wrist? 3. Never forget: this "marksman" was the same guy who couldn't hit Gen. Edwin Walker in April, '63 as he sat at home.
The bullet wasn't pristine, it was severely flattened from hitting bone while tumbling, and it was missing parts of it's core. Ironically enough, the amount of core material missing corresponds to fragments found in Connolly, and his xrays.
The CIA doesn't investigate crimes you fucking mushroom. The FBI and Dept of Justice do. I'm embarrassed I even wasted my time talking to you. Go back to paranoia land w/ the rest of the children.
1. The majority of eye witnesses said they heard 3 shots from the TSBD
2. Eyewitnesses can be unreliable
So when it suits you, you use them to support the government cover up and then when it doesn't you go the other way. So if eye witnesses are reliable the only thing we have to go on is the CIA's word and a magic bullet haha excellent.
@UNIQUE1982 When did the CIA ever give an explanation? That's a lie right there. Ask people who have been subsequently released from death row, and the people who prosecuted those cases, if eyewitness testimony can be relied upon 100%. There are also forensics. 1 bullet fell out of Connolly's leg, another was found fragmented in JFK's head, and in the front of the limo. The windshield on the inside of the limo was damaged, how'd that happen? These are facts.
@frankdrebin One bullet fell out of Connolly's leg on the stretcher, which was found in pristine condition despite the fact it would have had to pass through at least two bones and that fragments were removed from Connolly.
How is it a lie, the CIA had to give official accounts of what happened you idiot.
I like how the blind ideology of conspiracy theorists allows them to just dismiss THE MOST anatomically correct recreation of the head shot simply because the result doesn't go their way...but of course if the result were different and it did prove their point of view, that'd be jumping up and down celebrating, letting everyone know what a marvelous, sophisticated and scientific recreation we just witnessed.
@pajasa62 Want to see something hilarious? Watch Jessie Ventura, a former Navy UDT, try to duplicate the shots for his retarded conspiracy show. SEALs shoot more ammo in training than any other personnel in the military. It's pretty clear watching it that Jessie is doing everything in his power to NOT make the shots. Struggling to cycle the bolt, taking a ridiculous amount of time to aim. Does he really believe anything he says? Or is he drawing a paycheck marketing his show to lunatics?
Nice use of toys, but that is not how you investigate a murder.
The only "evidence" you have here is some people find the green goo somewhat similar to blood splats they saw more than 45 years ago. That is no evidence. You are just brainwashing witneses.
One question why does his head move violently backwards and to the left? I am convinced if you can explain that. Even the dummy moved slightly forward. The movement of the head at the exact point of impact was backwards. Explain that. And this matter is closed for me at least.
@UNIQUE1982 Well it couldn't have been the grassy knoll because Jackie would have been hit. I think that it may be plausible from the fence or from somewhere further down along the road in order for Jackie not to have been hit.
@sweetbrownskin I think it could have been the grassy knoll because they are misleading in this footage stating that Jackie was directly behind JFK when the shot was fired in line with the Knoll. I know one thing and that is it was not LHO on his own.
@afzpuppet I agree with this comment totally and believe that the FBI sharp shooters tried to emulate LHO's performance on the assassination and all failed at the time of the trial. If someone had the time and the relevant sources to look into this case it becomes abundantly clear that there was a conspiracy and cover up. None more telling than the list of people and witnesses that were killed around the time of the investigations, it pretty much speaks for itself.
@UNIQUE1982 The FBI sharpshooters did NOT fail, this is a complete lie. They all got off shots faster than Oswald was said to have, all hit the intended target (a head and torso shaped target). What they missed were the small bullet sized aiming points drawn on the targets where Oswald landed his shots. A classic example of how conspiracy liars distort the truth they all claim to supposedly be in search of.
@frankdrebin It is not a lie, the FBI concluded AT THAT TIME that the rifle used could not be fired faster than 2.3 seconds and that was not considering re aiming. Tell me, how does someone, who completely misses their first shot which is the easiest of the three then go on to reload and re aim and hit with the next two, the third and final being a perfect head shot which then projects the person not away from the shot but towards it. Were the eye witnesses conspiracy liars too?
@UNIQUE1982 The majority of eye witnesses said they heard 3 shots from the TSBD. Conspiracy nuts ignore them. Anyone to the left and right of the limo at the time of the head shot would have heard two sounds. The initial firing of the rifle, and the supersonic crack made by the bullet passing by. Oswald likely hit the tree, a fragment of that bullet hit someone standing near the underpass. The FBI was wrong, that weapon can be cycled in 1.8 seconds.
@UNIQUE1982 Eyewitnesses can be unreliable. Some of them testified to one thing, then changed their story later. This includes MD's at parkland hospital. Conspiracy people claim this is the CIA and FBI altering their statements. The easiest shot was the headshot, JFK was moving up and away in Oswald's scope. He also took the longest for this shot. When he fired straight down on the 1st shot, Kennedy was moving laterally, left to right in his scope, tricky geometry. There was also a tree.
@frankdrebin What witnesses are you talking about? I have seen dozens of interviews of people saying the shots came from the knoll. I can send you link if you like, you can even see people running up there because thats where they heard the shots.
@UNIQUE1982 I've seen them. Many testified to the House Select Committee in 1979. Read what they testified to while under oath. Some of them changed their stories, why? Some of them changed their stories several times. Why? Some of them stuck to their stories. You also have to take into consideration that; if you were near Kennedy you would hear the crack of the bullet first (firecracker), then the sound of the actual rifle, due to the way sound travels. Add this to forensic evidence.
@frankdrebin I think I would change my story if witnesses were being murdered all around this case. Would you like a list of deaths of eyewitnesses? What about the two witnesses who see a puff of smoke from the knoll? Lee Bowers for instance, who was then involved in a car accident on an empty road.
@UNIQUE1982 Care to look up how many people die in car accidents every year? And, what's the point of killing him if he already gave his story. Which was something like, "I saw light or maybe smoke'. He could have seen someone lighting a cigar. But to conspiracy people it's of course a CIA sniper. And, one that apparently completely missed his shot. Because none of the forensic evidence, or any other evidence for that matter, supports a 2nd shooter.
@frankdrebin Care to look up how many people die in car accidents, no because it is irrelevant if viewed independently. An EYE WITNESS to the J.D Tippet murder who after being questioned on Jan 21st 1964 then on Jan 23rd got shot in the head haha, yes i guess that was random too. People like you will never believe the truth because you believe the very people who are complicit in the cover up.
Oh and what about Earlene Roberts Oswalds housekeeper?
@UNIQUE1982 What did the dead eye witness to Tippet's murder say before he died? Oswald didn't do it? Why did Oswald have the gun then? Why did he try an shoot another officer in the theatre where he was arrested? Did the officer reach for his fuckin popcorn? That bastard, I hate that! Who could blame LHO there, right? What a/b the housekeeper? Can't wait to hear this. How did this loser even have a house keeper? He made like 2 dollars an hour.
@frankdrebin Haha, you don't even know the most important details of this case! You don't know what the eye witness to Tippet's murder said? And by the way he survived. Earlene Roberts was not his maid you intellectually challenged retard, she was his land lady at his rooming house. How can you even debate with me without knowing all of the important facts DOCUMENTED by the way that indicate that there was a conspiracy. fankdrebin is clueless on the murder of JFK, case closed.
@UNIQUE1982 Nice try. I know the details. And I'm intelligent enough to know they're irrelevant due to the overwhelming evidence against Oswald. Like, why did Oswald possess the weapon that killed Tippet? Why did he try and shoot another officer at his arrest w/ that same weapon? Eye witnesses can be unreliable, that's well known, and clearly demonstrated in this case. It's documented Oswald also owned the rifle that killed JFK, but you want to ignore that, too. You couldn't debate a child
@frankdrebin Nothing taken out of JFK's body, Governor Connally's body or Officer Tippits body was ever ballistically matched to any of the weapons supposedly owned by Oswald. Everything that was matched was outside the body and could have been mocked up in ballistics lab.
@TrueNovice Lie. Two fragments of an estimated 20, which came from JFK's head were tested. Fragments that came from Connolly were tested. Not once, but twice when the HSCA re-investigated the assassination. The reason conspiracy nuts like to distort, lie, or misrepresent the hard evidence in the assassination? Because fantasy land can't exist while that evidence exists, b/c is all points to LHO, and no one else. But you keep looking for your boogey man.
@clev9980 It's not a cottage industry if you are talking about the the Discovery channel web site where they sell all their fraud videos "proving" Oswald did it.
@frankdrebin Yes they did it twice with Vincent P. Guinn who pioneered bullet lead analysis in 1960. Bullet lead analysis is the ONLY scientific basis for the single bullet theory. He said it was the same fragment blah blah. He invented the test and had a financial interest in promoting it. But bullet lead analysis is now completely discredited, and is no longer accepted in any American court of law in any of the 50 states. Search "bullet lead analysis" if you don't believe me
@frankdrebin As for it could have been someone lighting a cigar, don't be ridiculous. People ran up the knoll because they either heard the gun shots come from that direction or see the flash/smoke at which point they were confronted by men who identified themselves as secret service DESPITE the fact that it was confirmed there were no agents left in that area.
@UNIQUE1982 Kennedy moving back and to the left is true. But, if you watch closely at the time of impact (frames 312 to 313) his head is driven down towards his chest, only when his head explodes is it driven back. There are several reasons he was driven back. 1. the release of energy from the side of his head as he's driven in the exact opposite direction. 2. neuromuscular spasm triggered by damage to corresponding brain tissue.
@sweetbrownskin If you watch frames 312 to 314 (time of impact) in slow motion, Kennedy's head actually moves forward and down toward his chest. Only when his head fully explodes is his head violently driven back and to te left. Two things could have caused this. 1.The release of the pressure wave exploding out the side of his head, driving him back. 2. A neuromuscular spasm, an involuntary neurological reaction to the right side of his brain being destroyed.
@frankdrebin All plausible....of course the president was wearing a steel back brace which would have also influenced the position of the body in the vehicle.
@frankdrebin A 37 mm cannon shell could have the mass and velocity to account for the head movement backwards. Not a bullet though, it's just not big enough. Unless, part of the conspiracy was to temporarily change the laws of physics so that a bullet could move a head 8 inches, which I bet you never even considered. don't forget bill cooper says aliens were involved.
@andrelebaron You're right. What I said is actually fact, and proven by a photo-analysis firm in Massachusetts. Conspiracy fruit bats don't like to talk a/b it much. His head moves forward for two frames on impact, then back. As far as him going back, I think the only way to be sure is a live experiment. Conspiracy nut in straight jacket in a topless lincoln, and I'll gladly take the shot and see which way his head moves. We should try the 37mm shell after that. Volunteers??
@frankdrebin "Conspiracy nut in straight jacket in a topless lincoln, and I'll gladly take the shot and see which way his head moves." Spoken like a true psycopath.
@TrueNovice If you believe what you say, you wouldn't have a thing to worry a/b, right? First, I couldn't make the shot, as some conspiracy fruitbats say. Depending on which seat you were in, according to many, you'd have nothing to worry a/b at all. You'd be hero of all conspiracy theorists, just imagine. You'd draw more attention to yourself than all the authors, movie directors, and others who'd gladly have the American public believe their own government killed a sitting Pres
@frankdrebin It's not "my government." Show a marksman shooting a moving target landing 2 hits within 2 inches of each other as per the autopsy report, or 6 inches as per the new and improved location of the wounds and maybe it would be believe able. And do it on the first try like Oz supposedly did. Don't do it 10 times, like CBS did and then show the tenth attempt when someone was able to do it after repeated practice.
@cruisersism ..nothing was proven, don't get me wrong, I have seen video's about a possible shooter in the manhole, but nothing is proven. If that was the case it would be world wide news. No offense by the way, I wish something was proven on a theory like that.
If it was me, I would have got the eye witnesses to write down how the seen the splatter before showing them the photographs, or showed them the splatter from the grassy knoll simulation first. If you show someone something that they are supposed to have seem, chances are they will agree with it. It's like using sleight of had for magic tricks. If you tell someone what they seen they will agree with you.
Thinking of the possible angles used by the killers, why was the lincolns window and complete interiour replaced in secret directly after..the man who ordered that was LBJ. The crime scene and all evidence was removed/replaced/altered/cleaned etc. LBJ also decided that certain FBI files would not be released during their lifetime. It STINKS! Why would he do that with evidence if he was not in it? Altering a crime scene is a crime. LBJ had all the men on his car...just think about it.
@ricotermonen A standard tactic from Conspiracy kooks is to ask questions, Conspiracy kooks, even when presented with modern technology proving there was no grassy knoll shooter still in their clouded brain think there was a conspiracy, sad.
@billyballs68 ..I don't claim there was a grassy knol shooter, I studied a lot on the subject and the shots from behind are possible ( maybe also in the daltex building). Anyway, I just study the subject, but there are waaay to many strange things to this case to call conspiracy supporters wrong. That whole case stinks to high heaven, if you don't see it, that's your viewpoint, not mine, I respect any. I study all info..but this whole jfk murder case stinks, that is a fact. Anyone can see that.
@billyballs68 .do you think the warren commision was right on everything? Afcourse they had facts, I don't disagree, but so many people where not asked to testify. I respect anybodies viewpoint, I myself find the WC report insufficient. I hope the dossiers to be released in 2017 will reveal more to everyone interested in this case.
@ricotermonen Oswald left an abundant trail of incriminating evidence. An assassin, intelligent enough in preparing a »plant« that he even did not know the motorcade route in advance, would not be so careless as to carry incriminating documents in his wallet or leave photographs of himself holding the murder rifle where the police could easily find them.
Angle is incorrect, elm street goes in a curve downwards, for this test to be accurate the car can not be 100 percent horizontal. The bullit in the windshield is a possibility if you place the car correctly The shot from that crane view would possibly hit William Greer the driver. I think at least one shot was fired from the daltex building. I must admit that I like their efforts in trying to solve the shooterangle positions, but I am still not convinced.
That's too bad, Gary Mack is a very known Warren Commission fellow (Gary! you forgot to test the Magic Bullet theory, Could you do that?? jajaja) He is indicating in a wrong way the front shot and the position of the Grassy Knoll gunman.
I've always thought that i knew deep in my soul there was a shooter on the grassy knoll. I stand firmly corrected. Or am i just an agent of the illuminati???
@polskie90 I actually understand what you mean. For the longest time I believed the dumbest of theories about conspiracy out there. I took a break from the JFK assassination for about 10 years. I then became interested in Lee Harvey Oswald and began reading up on him and then I realized that this was a guy who wanted to do it and could do it. The guy fancied himself the next Castro or Guevara.
@smithnya the only problem i have with this video is that this guy was able to take his time... and make sure that there was no malfunctions with the rifle. Now... one of the first guns i ever shot was a M48 Mauser. The bolt action is clean and efficient and there was no malfunctions. With the Rifle that Oswald used however... there has been a matter of dispute which i'm sure your well aware of. The ballistics on this seems to say that the Oswald theory is valid. What else can i say?
No its matter man! its just obviously and its have simple explanation "physics law about motion".If you want to get that say to somebody to hit your head with a ball or puch and then look to which side is moving your head,its very easy and simple:(
I repeat JFK is obviously had been shot by front side,and its a big big plot really
@kamurandeliormnli So essentially, a bullet violently penetrating the cranium, destroying and disrupting millions of neurons, all of them connected to sensory and motor organs is gonna have the same effect as getting punched in the face? Newton's Laws of Motion work well with simple particles and simple systems of matter. A college freshman can tell you that. When you introduce the most advanced nervous system in the planet, all bets are off.
@smithnya ha ha ha :D you still cant said nothing opposite to my comment,i said simpy,and i repeat:If you want to get that say to somebody to hit your head with a ball or puch and then look to which side is moving your head,its very easy and simple:)))
@kamurandeliormnli Let me paraphrase what you are saying, and if you agree with my interpretation of your argument, then we can both agree that I indeed "get what [you] mean."
A bullet moving THROUGH Kennedy's head would have had the same effect as if someone took a baseball bat at full swing ON JFK's head, or for that matter, or any other physical impact ON JFK's head, as per Newton's First Law. Am I correct in your interpretation?
@smithnya, ???, what does brain neuron complexity have to do with all this!???, as far as I know a cranium follows the same physics laws as any object of the same size, shape and texture: hit it with a bullet from behind and it will move forward, hit it from the front and it will move backwards. I'm not a conspirationist, I laugh at those saying that Armstrong and Alding never stepped on the moon or that twin towers were brought down with explosives. But in Kennedy's case there was a conspiracy.
@marottt Reflexes, spasms and convulsions don't ring a bell for you? A cranium with the most advanced organ in the universe, as far as we know, with trillions of synapses interconnected to billions of nerve cells, which themselves are connected to motor and sensory organs, voluntary and involuntary muscles, does not to have follow Newton's Laws. A watermelon might and a Hollywood film depiction might.
@smithnya, well we could discuss for ages about this. But circumstancial evidences about a cover up on Kennedy's case are so overwhelming that the existence of a conspiracy is beyond doubt. I could cite hundreds of examples, like the clumsy manipulaton of Oswald's picture with the riffle, but to mention just one: the autopsy, have a look at: spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKzapruderF.htm, the last part (19), if you still think nothing is wrong in this case... you might believe in illuminati theories
@marottt Circumstancial evidence is not the same as half baked ideas or hypotheses. My uncle worked at the court house building in Dallas when the assassination occurred. Is that circumstancial evidence that he was involved? Of course not. Used bullet casings, photohraphs and such objects are evidence. 40 plus people coming forth and claiming they were the grassy knoll shooter is just a bunch of idiots craving attention or come cash. Marina identified the pictures as the ones she took.
no way its impossible,he had shot by front of! his head and body is speedly went to backwards ,its so clear in the zapruder filmand ist proof she had been shot by front side!this research is only for confusing people
@kamurandeliormnli It doesn't matter. In the first place, the bullet simply did not have enough kinetic energy to produce that kind of snap. Remember, this is not Hollywood. Secondly, there is a slight movement forward between frames 312-313 of the Zapruder film. What happens at those frames? JFK gets hit. That type of movement is more consistent with a bullet hit. Thirdly, why would a hit from the side explode the head on the side it hit?
the stimulated car wasn't moving. And Oswald supposedly two took shots and he had to reload while the car was sitll moving and then aim again...so this doesn't prove a thing with the fact that the stimulated targer wasn't even moving at the same rate of speed as the car and the shooter didn't reload between the shots...that would have made it all the difference, also this shooter was a sharpshooter. Oswald was a marksman, the lowest rating..
the stimulated car wasn't moving. And Oswald supposedly two took shots and he had to reload while the car was sitll moving and then aim again...so this doesn't prove a thing with the fact that the stimulated targer wasn't even moving at the same rate of speed as the car and the shooter didn't reload between the shots...that would have made it all the difference.
I DID WATCH IT, ASSHOLE. AND AS I SAID, THE CAR WASN"T MOVING, THEY GOT A SHARPSHOOTER FROM THE CIA, OSWALD WAS RATED A VERY POOR MARKSMAN, OH, AND HE WAS USING A MANUAL BOLT ACTION RIFLE, WHICH THEY DIDN'T USE IN THIS VIDEO...THEY DIDN'T DUPLICATE THE CONDITIONS EXACTLY...ANY MORON WOULD NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE...
@3dartistguy Yes the car wasn't moving, but they had a fan blowing wind to alter the bullet speed as if the car was moving. I think you need to start paying more attention you fucktard
Hey FUCKTARD YOURSELF! HAVING A CAR THAT IS STILL THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE MOVING MAKES IT EASIER FOR A SHOOTER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS FEAT. OSWALD HAD TO SHOT, RELOAD, AIM AND SHOOT..HAD THEY DONE THAT, IT WOULD MADE IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY SHOOT THE TARGET. BLOWING WIND AT THE CAR DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR DUPLICATING THE EXACT CONDICTIONS....HAVE YOU EVER SHOT A GUN AT A MOVING TARGET??? OSWALD SHOT THREE TIMES AT A SLOW MOVING TARGET...YEAH, RIGHT.
When I first handled a rifle, I was able to hit an object slightly larger than a bowling pin at about 40 yards. The first time that I'd ever fired a real gun. After that I was able to do it about 2 out of 3 times. I have this on video. I was shocked at how easy and accurate the rifle was, especially compared to the handguns I fired after that (when I couldn't hit anything even at 10 yards). Oswald didn't need to be a sharpshooter. At all.
If Oswald WAS the shooter and hit JFK in the head, why would the president slump over towards his wife as if he was shot from the front right? Why was the BACK of the president's head blasted out agan, indicating a shot from the front right? Why did the Warren Commission ignore at least 50 witnesses who saw an unidentified man shooting from the grassy knol fence area? Why was Kennedy's policy of withdrawal from Vietnam reversed on the day they buried Kennedy by Lyndon Johnson? Why, Why why?
Did you even read what I posted? You just went off like a chicken that had its head cut off. Nothing you said was even a reply or acknowledgement of what I said to you.
This is a CIA production. So, now we know the name & face of one of the CIA special ops snipers. He is Michael Yardley. And the criminal government says it is a crime to identify a CIA employee to the public. Well, they just did it. Michael Yardley - CIA sniper employee.
Other CIA personnel are also identified on this video of lies.
The movement of jfk backwards is a spasm.As a matter of fact the real first movement we can see is the little movement into the front. It is just a little movement cause he already looks downwards to examine his first wound. And the guys are right, if the second sniper would shoot from the front, jackie would be hit too, but she wasn't. Some guys here wrote that the real car was moving and that the head was fixed on the body. Who cares? That is irrelevant, the car wasn't that fast to change sth
A few years ago I started to believe that jfk was shot from the front, because his body snaps back and the blast cloud is in front of him. In the last days I watched many times the zapruder film, many analysis and now this documentary. Now I want to change my mind, we really don't need a second sniper, one is more than enough to explain what zapruder film shows. The only thing nobody can explain is the fact that Ruby throws away his life and shoots Oswald without a good reason.
@Zardoz1977 1. Ruby was a little bit koo koo. 2. He was high on stimulants at the time. 3. He later claimed he did it purely out of compulsion with no forethought. 4. At first he claimed that he wanted to redeem the reputation of Dallas and spare Jackie a trial. 5. Ruby was a little bit koo koo.
@InnerSmile72 Koo Koo? Don't know, this is too much coincidence for me. JFK shot only by one man from behind, ok, we can talk about that, it is possible indeed, no magic bullet there. But this Ruby being a koo koo, wearing a gun, being there and shooting? Too much questions for me.
@Zardoz1977 "Another motive was put forth by Frank Sheeran, allegedly a hitman for the Mafia, in a conversation he had with the then-former Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa. During the conversation, Hoffa claimed that Ruby was assigned the task of coordinating police officers loyal to Ruby to murder Oswald while he was in their custody. As Ruby evidently mismanaged the operation, he was given a choice to either finish the job himself or forfeit his life" Yeah Ruby was a little nuts for sure
JFK was the last hope of USA and mankind also.Unfortunately for rich people he was sounded for them as the most dangerous anarchist so the bullets for him were like the tail for the pig.There are still people like JFK but rich people made it difficult for them to be in charge.We DO need a miracle.
The neck of the dummy is stuck fast and the head hardly moves when the bullet strikes...not quite as resembling a real human, funny they went to all that effort & cost to get the skull part right but what about the head & neck...sorry just yet another flawed doco that can join the too many that have been made over the years that seem to focus on one word...DOUBT.
So essentially these guys are trying to prove the Lone Gunman theory for the Head Shot via head wound replication. Reasonable, except they- to the best of my knowledge- do not try to explain or work with JFKs motion after being hit with the bullet. The dummy itself was not desgined for intertial impact- the artifical neck the head was attached to gave no yield whatsoever, and the subsequent 'torso' had to be bolted onto the car. How do you 'LG' advocates explain that?
1 thing I like to point out. Everytime they do their test they have the car not moving. In the JFK assassination his car was moving and not parked like they show in their test. So you can not call this research. Plus they only take 1 shot. So you see with the car not moving and with them not taking 3 shot the test they do is not worth nothing when it come to research. So you can not go on this.
without the conspiracy, that museum would go bust. It would turn into Ford's theater, a place you go on a safety patrol trip in 6th grade then forget about. Tourists would dry up, money would dry up. I see no reason Mr. Mack would want to disprove a conspiracy, he only to wants to find the truth. I say if you think the results are wrong or have an issue with the execution make your own tests and experiments. this clearly shows no one shot from the knoll, stop complaining and PROVE it wrong.
Conspiracy loons have been screaming for 50 years and never has anyone else been found to have killed JFK. JFK was no exceptional president but a created 50 year myth, the real man lost in all the worship along with Oswald, the Marxist maniac who killed him.
There's more than enough evidence to back up the warren report. The conspiracy loons just want this to go on so they suck more money out of this tragedy and keep alive a sick tourist industry in Dallas.
Part 4: In conclusion, if they were really that serious of proving without doubt from which direction the fatal head shot came you would think they would once and for all conduct the ultimate reconstruction, totally close off Dealey Plaza on Nov 22nd at the exact time and this time use a real cadaver as JFK . This useless doco just adds even more doubt...together with over 45 years of other doubt.
they have done so with dummies in situ!! all laser measurements taken proved all shots that hit jfk were from above & behind, most likely the tsbd... oswald was in the building, oswald had the gun, oswald shot jfk...
Part 3: Notice at the end they said out of respect for JFK they didn't show the actual head shot even though that horrific scene has been seen millions of times over the past 40 years...and we all know why? they claim their footage when superposed with the Sapruder film is a match and yet they don't show JFK's head violently thrusting backwards...all the while showing the head of the dumby leaning forward with the head and neck stuck fast when the head of the dumby is shot the head hardly moves.
@shoss40 The one fact that you seem determined to ignore is that, as the ballistics expert in this film said, depending on the type of bullet used, the result would either have been the whole of the top half of Kennedy's head would have been blown off(didn't happen) or a large exit wound would have resulted on the left -hand side of his head (there was no such wound), whether or not Jackie would also have been hit.
@shoss40 Contd. As for the "backwards and to the left" movement of Kennedy's head, this was caused by the pressure of the jet of blood/brain material that was violently ejected out of the front right side of his skull. Ask any ballistics expert or physics teacher. It is schoolboy science to assume that the head would necessarily move in the opposite direction to the striking object. Where no explosion of brain matter occurs - if your head with a baseball bat - then yes, but not in this case.
Part 2: Now for the part where JFK received the head shot, in this Doco or should that be fairytale they say that if indeed the shot came from the front the bullet would have passed through JFK's head and struck possibly killing Jackie...sorry more lies, i know it's horrific but look closely at the Sapruder film at the very moment the bullet strikes the bullets path would have missed Jackie by a foot, her body postion was lower and at a different angle.
@shoss40 contd. As for Jackie's position and whether or not she may have been hit by a bullet exiting the left hand side of Kennedy's head, what you say doesn't make sense. You cannot judge, from the position Zapruder was filming from, what the supposed grassy knoll assassin would have seen through his 'scope. The shooter in this documentary suggests that, from where the shot was supposedly made, Jackie's head would have been in line of fire. You are not in a position to challenge his view.
This Doco is a piece of pure fiction firstly notice how the curator of the TSBD museum would want the fatal head shot to have come from the sixth floor window of the TSBD and of course it was Oswald. Secondly if the dumby was surpose to be as close to a human as possible why was the neck stuck fast? For a head to recieve that amount of force whether the bullet came from the front or back would be flying around in any which way...i'm fast running out of characters i'm far from finish yet...
Very Compelling, Except" Any notice what appears to be a well machined after market bolt on the rifle he is using, in addition to the significant difference in the scope. The Oswald carcano was sold in a lot which was the subject of a law suit at the time, related to its quality. The bolt on the Oswald carcano was loose. The cheep scope, had to be chimed by the FBI to even enable it to be fired with any accuracy at all. I wont bother with ammo comparisons.
As for the inflexability of the neck that was not what they were showing, All they were attempting was the end result. What you need to look at is at 3:58 of the video they show you where the bullet ended up, and if that is true why wasn't the driver of the car hit? But if you look to the right of the super imposed image of the SD building the Deltex builing should be there and its been said that thats where the second shooter was. And angle of the bullet would be more to the centre of the car.
KENNEDY'S HEAD SNAPS BACK VIOLENTLY IN ACTUAL SHOOTING.
Dummy mock up has an inflexible neck and completely distorts from what actual events would produce. There's no credibility in this presentation. You'd think that this would be obvious even to the producers.
Wait a minute. What about the wound in the neck? I know the Single Bullet Theory and I know how it works, but how LIKELY is it that one bullet hit all of those spots. They never analyzed that part did they? A shot to the head could go through Connaly, but that doesn't explain the neck wound very well at all. Whatever. Writing this essay was and is the hardest thing I'll ever have to do.
@bobeagle007@bobeagle007@bob. I can spell just fine. The problem is that you are a moron. Anyways, every single one of the attending physicians at parkland hospital reported seeing a giant gaping wound of EXIT in the BACK (Occipital, parietal) region of Kennedy's head. This implies that, regardless of what Curator Joe here and his fake heads full of jello think, THERE WAS A SHOT FROM THE RIGHT FRONT.
@Obelisk2290 ...look up the definition of conspiracy and the word theory.It is easy to put these two words together to come up with a phrase to debunk so called 'idiots' who believe in a senario.I don't actually think you understand what you think you believe., you've been programmed or conditioned and you don't even know it. i'm not gonna blindly follow what our so called leaders tell us.Also you say "no amount of evidence will convince a CT".What evidence are you talking about?
@bobeagle007 typical CT talk, then who are these BIG PEOPLE where were they 47 years ago besides there are 53 pieces of evidence agains LHO, the game was ove before it began. Had he lived he would have spent live in prison if he wast executed and we know how much Texas loves to execute
@Obelisk2290 If you repeat the term "pieces of evidence seale (sic) oswalds fate" 53 times will anyone believe you? You must repeated it 53 times now in your hundreds of postings about JFK.
This recreation dont show the moviment of the head after shot: BACK and LEFT. BACK and LEFT. BACK and LEFT.
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Go to a Youtube video called "China in Revolution 1911-49 part 2" then starting around 8:10 you'll see two men being executed - shot in the back of the head with military rifles. Notice that both men go violently forward, as does all the blood and brain matter. This is what JFK's head SHOULD have done.
No one ever heard of the jet effect/neurospasm nonsense until Lone-nutters felt compelled to explain the Zapruder film.
fallspeed 2 months ago
I lean toward one shooter but I would like to see a test of 3 bullets on a moving vehicle. 2 marine sharp shooters could not reproduce the three shot in the allotted time.The marines were interviewed by the Warren Commission. They also state that if they couldn't make the shot how did someone who FAILED (non-qual) the first test (Oswald) make the shots?
AND Kennedy's head wound was much larger in the back. Most recreations show the right occipital blown away. There 'simulation' does show that.
bobzeda 2 months ago
@bobzeda I agree He used a Carcano,but the Scope was not a cheapo,and the Car was not moving,as was the original shot.....so the Shooter had to be more than an Expect Marksman than this guy.
jeepers2655 3 days ago
Major problem with this video. Jfk's head moved back and to the left when he was hit. I also notice they did not simulate the throat shot. If the vehicle was moving away from Oswald wouldn't the throat shot have been from a 75-90 degree angle instead of directly back to front? I don't know why these guys don't actually try to make this accurate. Its dishonesty by omission. It calls the whole thing into question.
elmariachiterry 2 months ago
@elmariachiterry Back and to the left is a creation of Hollywood.
3rduncle 2 months ago
@elmariachiterry JFK's head moved forward upon impact, even his back moved forward of the seat (frames 312 to 314 show this when slowed). The likely reason he moved backward and to the left was; a neuromuscular spasm associated w/ the right side of his brain being destroyed. Or simply the energy released from the right side of his head driving him in the opposite direction.
frankdrebin 2 months ago
@frankdrebin That is correct. Also his heavy metal backbrace kept him vertical in his seat after the throat shot and would have also had some effect on his body movement after the headshot also.
clev9980 2 months ago
That's pretty much it. People fail to take into account the muscular spasms associated with sudden brain injury. They also tend to ignore that his overall body movement (before and after his getting killed) was heavily influenced by the back brace he was wearing.
Zebonka 2 months ago
@frankdrebin If the right side of his brain was destroyed how come the supplemenatl examination of the brain shows it is 1500 grams? 1500 grams is the weight of normal brain of a man who died natural causes.
TrueNovice 2 months ago
I'm a guy who think that the whole AJFK thing is very suspect, and do actually lean to a shooter in the Depository, but this "test' has a lot of flaws, and assumes alot on the side of the and leaves out alot more like the movement of the head, and a the angles people claim they saw other shooters and how the patterns match up with them, if your going to debunk something, go the whole nine yards, don't just says "this matches up close enough so this is the only way possible, ever."
ConcernedPrepper 3 months ago
What a sad way to be remembered...
genericgeorge 3 months ago
Not impressed with this AT all. I find this extremely flawed. And the makers obsession with the grassy knoll just goes to show their narrow-minded approach to this investigation . They might have hit the rubber stationary head after having 5 minutes to line up the shot but they missed the probable truth by MILES !
TheTenada 4 months ago
Please respond: 1.Why is the target always stationary in these recreations and not moving at 11.2 mph as X-100 was moving on Elm on Nov. 22?! 2. Why don't they ever put a dummy in front of the target approximating John Connolly's position using tissue to see if the bullet goes through the target's neck, throat, and then through the dummy's rib and wrist? 3. Never forget: this "marksman" was the same guy who couldn't hit Gen. Edwin Walker in April, '63 as he sat at home.
dencarac 4 months ago
The bullet wasn't pristine, it was severely flattened from hitting bone while tumbling, and it was missing parts of it's core. Ironically enough, the amount of core material missing corresponds to fragments found in Connolly, and his xrays.
The CIA doesn't investigate crimes you fucking mushroom. The FBI and Dept of Justice do. I'm embarrassed I even wasted my time talking to you. Go back to paranoia land w/ the rest of the children.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
two of your quotes:
1. The majority of eye witnesses said they heard 3 shots from the TSBD
2. Eyewitnesses can be unreliable
So when it suits you, you use them to support the government cover up and then when it doesn't you go the other way. So if eye witnesses are reliable the only thing we have to go on is the CIA's word and a magic bullet haha excellent.
UNIQUE1982 4 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 When did the CIA ever give an explanation? That's a lie right there. Ask people who have been subsequently released from death row, and the people who prosecuted those cases, if eyewitness testimony can be relied upon 100%. There are also forensics. 1 bullet fell out of Connolly's leg, another was found fragmented in JFK's head, and in the front of the limo. The windshield on the inside of the limo was damaged, how'd that happen? These are facts.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin One bullet fell out of Connolly's leg on the stretcher, which was found in pristine condition despite the fact it would have had to pass through at least two bones and that fragments were removed from Connolly.
How is it a lie, the CIA had to give official accounts of what happened you idiot.
UNIQUE1982 4 months ago
I like how the blind ideology of conspiracy theorists allows them to just dismiss THE MOST anatomically correct recreation of the head shot simply because the result doesn't go their way...but of course if the result were different and it did prove their point of view, that'd be jumping up and down celebrating, letting everyone know what a marvelous, sophisticated and scientific recreation we just witnessed.
pajasa62 5 months ago
@pajasa62 Want to see something hilarious? Watch Jessie Ventura, a former Navy UDT, try to duplicate the shots for his retarded conspiracy show. SEALs shoot more ammo in training than any other personnel in the military. It's pretty clear watching it that Jessie is doing everything in his power to NOT make the shots. Struggling to cycle the bolt, taking a ridiculous amount of time to aim. Does he really believe anything he says? Or is he drawing a paycheck marketing his show to lunatics?
frankdrebin 4 months ago
Nice use of toys, but that is not how you investigate a murder.
The only "evidence" you have here is some people find the green goo somewhat similar to blood splats they saw more than 45 years ago. That is no evidence. You are just brainwashing witneses.
mx1 5 months ago in playlist JFK
i saw and am positive that the sho0t came fron jfk's right side look how his head moves to left when shot, i thing second shot was made
olivareshopinks 5 months ago
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mahaputera7 5 months ago
This is hilarious. You can tell they had no idea of where the shooter was until they finished their experiments...
bvandyk 5 months ago
One question why does his head move violently backwards and to the left? I am convinced if you can explain that. Even the dummy moved slightly forward. The movement of the head at the exact point of impact was backwards. Explain that. And this matter is closed for me at least.
sweetbrownskin 5 months ago
@sweetbrownskin What are you saying? You think the shot came from the fence?
UNIQUE1982 5 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 Well it couldn't have been the grassy knoll because Jackie would have been hit. I think that it may be plausible from the fence or from somewhere further down along the road in order for Jackie not to have been hit.
sweetbrownskin 5 months ago
@sweetbrownskin I think it could have been the grassy knoll because they are misleading in this footage stating that Jackie was directly behind JFK when the shot was fired in line with the Knoll. I know one thing and that is it was not LHO on his own.
UNIQUE1982 5 months ago
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afzpuppet 4 months ago
@sweetbrownskin < < Sniper was probably positioned at far end of the wooden picket
up on the knoll. That would account for the front head shot causing Kennedy to go backward..
Although I've often wondered if there is a CRAWLSPACE somewhere in the Triple Underpass
If so... that would have accounted for the trajectory being much higher..
afzpuppet 4 months ago
@afzpuppet I agree with this comment totally and believe that the FBI sharp shooters tried to emulate LHO's performance on the assassination and all failed at the time of the trial. If someone had the time and the relevant sources to look into this case it becomes abundantly clear that there was a conspiracy and cover up. None more telling than the list of people and witnesses that were killed around the time of the investigations, it pretty much speaks for itself.
UNIQUE1982 4 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 The FBI sharpshooters did NOT fail, this is a complete lie. They all got off shots faster than Oswald was said to have, all hit the intended target (a head and torso shaped target). What they missed were the small bullet sized aiming points drawn on the targets where Oswald landed his shots. A classic example of how conspiracy liars distort the truth they all claim to supposedly be in search of.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin It is not a lie, the FBI concluded AT THAT TIME that the rifle used could not be fired faster than 2.3 seconds and that was not considering re aiming. Tell me, how does someone, who completely misses their first shot which is the easiest of the three then go on to reload and re aim and hit with the next two, the third and final being a perfect head shot which then projects the person not away from the shot but towards it. Were the eye witnesses conspiracy liars too?
UNIQUE1982 4 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 The majority of eye witnesses said they heard 3 shots from the TSBD. Conspiracy nuts ignore them. Anyone to the left and right of the limo at the time of the head shot would have heard two sounds. The initial firing of the rifle, and the supersonic crack made by the bullet passing by. Oswald likely hit the tree, a fragment of that bullet hit someone standing near the underpass. The FBI was wrong, that weapon can be cycled in 1.8 seconds.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 Eyewitnesses can be unreliable. Some of them testified to one thing, then changed their story later. This includes MD's at parkland hospital. Conspiracy people claim this is the CIA and FBI altering their statements. The easiest shot was the headshot, JFK was moving up and away in Oswald's scope. He also took the longest for this shot. When he fired straight down on the 1st shot, Kennedy was moving laterally, left to right in his scope, tricky geometry. There was also a tree.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin What witnesses are you talking about? I have seen dozens of interviews of people saying the shots came from the knoll. I can send you link if you like, you can even see people running up there because thats where they heard the shots.
UNIQUE1982 4 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 I've seen them. Many testified to the House Select Committee in 1979. Read what they testified to while under oath. Some of them changed their stories, why? Some of them changed their stories several times. Why? Some of them stuck to their stories. You also have to take into consideration that; if you were near Kennedy you would hear the crack of the bullet first (firecracker), then the sound of the actual rifle, due to the way sound travels. Add this to forensic evidence.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin I think I would change my story if witnesses were being murdered all around this case. Would you like a list of deaths of eyewitnesses? What about the two witnesses who see a puff of smoke from the knoll? Lee Bowers for instance, who was then involved in a car accident on an empty road.
UNIQUE1982 4 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 Care to look up how many people die in car accidents every year? And, what's the point of killing him if he already gave his story. Which was something like, "I saw light or maybe smoke'. He could have seen someone lighting a cigar. But to conspiracy people it's of course a CIA sniper. And, one that apparently completely missed his shot. Because none of the forensic evidence, or any other evidence for that matter, supports a 2nd shooter.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin Care to look up how many people die in car accidents, no because it is irrelevant if viewed independently. An EYE WITNESS to the J.D Tippet murder who after being questioned on Jan 21st 1964 then on Jan 23rd got shot in the head haha, yes i guess that was random too. People like you will never believe the truth because you believe the very people who are complicit in the cover up.
Oh and what about Earlene Roberts Oswalds housekeeper?
UNIQUE1982 4 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 What did the dead eye witness to Tippet's murder say before he died? Oswald didn't do it? Why did Oswald have the gun then? Why did he try an shoot another officer in the theatre where he was arrested? Did the officer reach for his fuckin popcorn? That bastard, I hate that! Who could blame LHO there, right? What a/b the housekeeper? Can't wait to hear this. How did this loser even have a house keeper? He made like 2 dollars an hour.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin Haha, you don't even know the most important details of this case! You don't know what the eye witness to Tippet's murder said? And by the way he survived. Earlene Roberts was not his maid you intellectually challenged retard, she was his land lady at his rooming house. How can you even debate with me without knowing all of the important facts DOCUMENTED by the way that indicate that there was a conspiracy. fankdrebin is clueless on the murder of JFK, case closed.
UNIQUE1982 4 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 Nice try. I know the details. And I'm intelligent enough to know they're irrelevant due to the overwhelming evidence against Oswald. Like, why did Oswald possess the weapon that killed Tippet? Why did he try and shoot another officer at his arrest w/ that same weapon? Eye witnesses can be unreliable, that's well known, and clearly demonstrated in this case. It's documented Oswald also owned the rifle that killed JFK, but you want to ignore that, too. You couldn't debate a child
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin Nothing taken out of JFK's body, Governor Connally's body or Officer Tippits body was ever ballistically matched to any of the weapons supposedly owned by Oswald. Everything that was matched was outside the body and could have been mocked up in ballistics lab.
TrueNovice 2 months ago
@TrueNovice Lie. Two fragments of an estimated 20, which came from JFK's head were tested. Fragments that came from Connolly were tested. Not once, but twice when the HSCA re-investigated the assassination. The reason conspiracy nuts like to distort, lie, or misrepresent the hard evidence in the assassination? Because fantasy land can't exist while that evidence exists, b/c is all points to LHO, and no one else. But you keep looking for your boogey man.
frankdrebin 2 months ago
@frankdrebin It has become a cottage industry of people selling videos and books and distorting history.
clev9980 2 months ago
@clev9980 It's not a cottage industry if you are talking about the the Discovery channel web site where they sell all their fraud videos "proving" Oswald did it.
TrueNovice 2 months ago
@frankdrebin Yes they did it twice with Vincent P. Guinn who pioneered bullet lead analysis in 1960. Bullet lead analysis is the ONLY scientific basis for the single bullet theory. He said it was the same fragment blah blah. He invented the test and had a financial interest in promoting it. But bullet lead analysis is now completely discredited, and is no longer accepted in any American court of law in any of the 50 states. Search "bullet lead analysis" if you don't believe me
TrueNovice 2 months ago
@frankdrebin As for it could have been someone lighting a cigar, don't be ridiculous. People ran up the knoll because they either heard the gun shots come from that direction or see the flash/smoke at which point they were confronted by men who identified themselves as secret service DESPITE the fact that it was confirmed there were no agents left in that area.
UNIQUE1982 4 months ago
@UNIQUE1982 Kennedy moving back and to the left is true. But, if you watch closely at the time of impact (frames 312 to 313) his head is driven down towards his chest, only when his head explodes is it driven back. There are several reasons he was driven back. 1. the release of energy from the side of his head as he's driven in the exact opposite direction. 2. neuromuscular spasm triggered by damage to corresponding brain tissue.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@sweetbrownskin If you watch frames 312 to 314 (time of impact) in slow motion, Kennedy's head actually moves forward and down toward his chest. Only when his head fully explodes is his head violently driven back and to te left. Two things could have caused this. 1.The release of the pressure wave exploding out the side of his head, driving him back. 2. A neuromuscular spasm, an involuntary neurological reaction to the right side of his brain being destroyed.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin All plausible....of course the president was wearing a steel back brace which would have also influenced the position of the body in the vehicle.
clev9980 4 months ago
@frankdrebin A 37 mm cannon shell could have the mass and velocity to account for the head movement backwards. Not a bullet though, it's just not big enough. Unless, part of the conspiracy was to temporarily change the laws of physics so that a bullet could move a head 8 inches, which I bet you never even considered. don't forget bill cooper says aliens were involved.
andrelebaron 4 months ago
@andrelebaron You're right. What I said is actually fact, and proven by a photo-analysis firm in Massachusetts. Conspiracy fruit bats don't like to talk a/b it much. His head moves forward for two frames on impact, then back. As far as him going back, I think the only way to be sure is a live experiment. Conspiracy nut in straight jacket in a topless lincoln, and I'll gladly take the shot and see which way his head moves. We should try the 37mm shell after that. Volunteers??
frankdrebin 4 months ago
@frankdrebin "Conspiracy nut in straight jacket in a topless lincoln, and I'll gladly take the shot and see which way his head moves." Spoken like a true psycopath.
TrueNovice 2 months ago
@TrueNovice If you believe what you say, you wouldn't have a thing to worry a/b, right? First, I couldn't make the shot, as some conspiracy fruitbats say. Depending on which seat you were in, according to many, you'd have nothing to worry a/b at all. You'd be hero of all conspiracy theorists, just imagine. You'd draw more attention to yourself than all the authors, movie directors, and others who'd gladly have the American public believe their own government killed a sitting Pres
frankdrebin 2 months ago
@frankdrebin It's not "my government." Show a marksman shooting a moving target landing 2 hits within 2 inches of each other as per the autopsy report, or 6 inches as per the new and improved location of the wounds and maybe it would be believe able. And do it on the first try like Oz supposedly did. Don't do it 10 times, like CBS did and then show the tenth attempt when someone was able to do it after repeated practice.
TrueNovice 2 months ago
it has been proven by an expert that the fatal head shot came from the man hole sewer along side elm street
cruisersism 6 months ago
@cruisersism ..nothing was proven, don't get me wrong, I have seen video's about a possible shooter in the manhole, but nothing is proven. If that was the case it would be world wide news. No offense by the way, I wish something was proven on a theory like that.
ricotermonen 6 months ago
If it was me, I would have got the eye witnesses to write down how the seen the splatter before showing them the photographs, or showed them the splatter from the grassy knoll simulation first. If you show someone something that they are supposed to have seem, chances are they will agree with it. It's like using sleight of had for magic tricks. If you tell someone what they seen they will agree with you.
nmckee503 6 months ago
Thinking of the possible angles used by the killers, why was the lincolns window and complete interiour replaced in secret directly after..the man who ordered that was LBJ. The crime scene and all evidence was removed/replaced/altered/cleaned etc. LBJ also decided that certain FBI files would not be released during their lifetime. It STINKS! Why would he do that with evidence if he was not in it? Altering a crime scene is a crime. LBJ had all the men on his car...just think about it.
ricotermonen 6 months ago
@ricotermonen A standard tactic from Conspiracy kooks is to ask questions, Conspiracy kooks, even when presented with modern technology proving there was no grassy knoll shooter still in their clouded brain think there was a conspiracy, sad.
billyballs68 6 months ago
@billyballs68 ..I don't claim there was a grassy knol shooter, I studied a lot on the subject and the shots from behind are possible ( maybe also in the daltex building). Anyway, I just study the subject, but there are waaay to many strange things to this case to call conspiracy supporters wrong. That whole case stinks to high heaven, if you don't see it, that's your viewpoint, not mine, I respect any. I study all info..but this whole jfk murder case stinks, that is a fact. Anyone can see that.
ricotermonen 6 months ago
@ricotermonen It's OK to study theory, I have no issue with that, I just stick to the actual evidence and facts.
billyballs68 6 months ago
@billyballs68 .do you think the warren commision was right on everything? Afcourse they had facts, I don't disagree, but so many people where not asked to testify. I respect anybodies viewpoint, I myself find the WC report insufficient. I hope the dossiers to be released in 2017 will reveal more to everyone interested in this case.
ricotermonen 6 months ago
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@ricotermonen Oswald left an abundant trail of incriminating evidence. An assassin, intelligent enough in preparing a »plant« that he even did not know the motorcade route in advance, would not be so careless as to carry incriminating documents in his wallet or leave photographs of himself holding the murder rifle where the police could easily find them.
billyballs68 6 months ago
Angle is incorrect, elm street goes in a curve downwards, for this test to be accurate the car can not be 100 percent horizontal. The bullit in the windshield is a possibility if you place the car correctly The shot from that crane view would possibly hit William Greer the driver. I think at least one shot was fired from the daltex building. I must admit that I like their efforts in trying to solve the shooterangle positions, but I am still not convinced.
ricotermonen 6 months ago
@ricotermonen also the rifle would have to be moving
themadhouse209 6 months ago
what is this documentry called please
swiftyhomeboy 6 months ago
0:19 WTF
leoleon08 6 months ago
That's too bad, Gary Mack is a very known Warren Commission fellow (Gary! you forgot to test the Magic Bullet theory, Could you do that?? jajaja) He is indicating in a wrong way the front shot and the position of the Grassy Knoll gunman.
ryan1gr 7 months ago
All the evidence will be released in 2029 to the public. The autopsy and films and more.
Dallascowboy321 8 months ago
I've always thought that i knew deep in my soul there was a shooter on the grassy knoll. I stand firmly corrected. Or am i just an agent of the illuminati???
polskie90 9 months ago
@polskie90 I actually understand what you mean. For the longest time I believed the dumbest of theories about conspiracy out there. I took a break from the JFK assassination for about 10 years. I then became interested in Lee Harvey Oswald and began reading up on him and then I realized that this was a guy who wanted to do it and could do it. The guy fancied himself the next Castro or Guevara.
smithnya 9 months ago
@smithnya the only problem i have with this video is that this guy was able to take his time... and make sure that there was no malfunctions with the rifle. Now... one of the first guns i ever shot was a M48 Mauser. The bolt action is clean and efficient and there was no malfunctions. With the Rifle that Oswald used however... there has been a matter of dispute which i'm sure your well aware of. The ballistics on this seems to say that the Oswald theory is valid. What else can i say?
polskie90 8 months ago
debunked
tcoudi 9 months ago
No its matter man! its just obviously and its have simple explanation "physics law about motion".If you want to get that say to somebody to hit your head with a ball or puch and then look to which side is moving your head,its very easy and simple:(
I repeat JFK is obviously had been shot by front side,and its a big big plot really
kamurandeliormnli 9 months ago
@kamurandeliormnli So essentially, a bullet violently penetrating the cranium, destroying and disrupting millions of neurons, all of them connected to sensory and motor organs is gonna have the same effect as getting punched in the face? Newton's Laws of Motion work well with simple particles and simple systems of matter. A college freshman can tell you that. When you introduce the most advanced nervous system in the planet, all bets are off.
smithnya 9 months ago
@smithnya ha ha ha :D you still cant said nothing opposite to my comment,i said simpy,and i repeat:If you want to get that say to somebody to hit your head with a ball or puch and then look to which side is moving your head,its very easy and simple:)))
Its obviously JFK had shot by front side
kamurandeliormnli 8 months ago
@kamurandeliormnli Nope. A punch or baseball to the face are not the same as billions of destroyed synapses.
smithnya 8 months ago
@smithnya I think you dont get what i mean,but anyway its obviously what i say.
kamurandeliormnli 8 months ago
@kamurandeliormnli Let me paraphrase what you are saying, and if you agree with my interpretation of your argument, then we can both agree that I indeed "get what [you] mean."
A bullet moving THROUGH Kennedy's head would have had the same effect as if someone took a baseball bat at full swing ON JFK's head, or for that matter, or any other physical impact ON JFK's head, as per Newton's First Law. Am I correct in your interpretation?
smithnya 8 months ago
@smithnya, ???, what does brain neuron complexity have to do with all this!???, as far as I know a cranium follows the same physics laws as any object of the same size, shape and texture: hit it with a bullet from behind and it will move forward, hit it from the front and it will move backwards. I'm not a conspirationist, I laugh at those saying that Armstrong and Alding never stepped on the moon or that twin towers were brought down with explosives. But in Kennedy's case there was a conspiracy.
marottt 8 months ago
@marottt Reflexes, spasms and convulsions don't ring a bell for you? A cranium with the most advanced organ in the universe, as far as we know, with trillions of synapses interconnected to billions of nerve cells, which themselves are connected to motor and sensory organs, voluntary and involuntary muscles, does not to have follow Newton's Laws. A watermelon might and a Hollywood film depiction might.
smithnya 8 months ago
@smithnya, well we could discuss for ages about this. But circumstancial evidences about a cover up on Kennedy's case are so overwhelming that the existence of a conspiracy is beyond doubt. I could cite hundreds of examples, like the clumsy manipulaton of Oswald's picture with the riffle, but to mention just one: the autopsy, have a look at: spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKzapruderF.htm, the last part (19), if you still think nothing is wrong in this case... you might believe in illuminati theories
marottt 8 months ago
@marottt Circumstancial evidence is not the same as half baked ideas or hypotheses. My uncle worked at the court house building in Dallas when the assassination occurred. Is that circumstancial evidence that he was involved? Of course not. Used bullet casings, photohraphs and such objects are evidence. 40 plus people coming forth and claiming they were the grassy knoll shooter is just a bunch of idiots craving attention or come cash. Marina identified the pictures as the ones she took.
smithnya 8 months ago
The Warren Commission is vindicated. The Grassy knoll myth...BUSTED! Second gunmen myth..BUSTED! Magic bullet myth...BUSTED!
Conspiracy nuts....LOSING!
flp21 9 months ago 2
no way its impossible,he had shot by front of! his head and body is speedly went to backwards ,its so clear in the zapruder filmand ist proof she had been shot by front side!this research is only for confusing people
kamurandeliormnli 9 months ago
@kamurandeliormnli It doesn't matter. In the first place, the bullet simply did not have enough kinetic energy to produce that kind of snap. Remember, this is not Hollywood. Secondly, there is a slight movement forward between frames 312-313 of the Zapruder film. What happens at those frames? JFK gets hit. That type of movement is more consistent with a bullet hit. Thirdly, why would a hit from the side explode the head on the side it hit?
smithnya 9 months ago
the stimulated car wasn't moving. And Oswald supposedly two took shots and he had to reload while the car was sitll moving and then aim again...so this doesn't prove a thing with the fact that the stimulated targer wasn't even moving at the same rate of speed as the car and the shooter didn't reload between the shots...that would have made it all the difference, also this shooter was a sharpshooter. Oswald was a marksman, the lowest rating..
3dartistguy 10 months ago
the stimulated car wasn't moving. And Oswald supposedly two took shots and he had to reload while the car was sitll moving and then aim again...so this doesn't prove a thing with the fact that the stimulated targer wasn't even moving at the same rate of speed as the car and the shooter didn't reload between the shots...that would have made it all the difference.
3dartistguy 10 months ago
hofefully this recreation proves to all the theorist maniacs that the shot was from behind
TheWackadooFuckhead 11 months ago 2
ah no it doesn't...
3dartistguy 10 months ago
@3dartistguy thats because you're an idiot and obviously don't understand physics........
TheWackadooFuckhead 10 months ago
SO WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN IT TO ME BIG BRAIN? You're so smart. You Explain it if you can.
3dartistguy 10 months ago
@3dartistguy Ok, here's my explanation.........you ready?.............WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO DIPSHIT........
TheWackadooFuckhead 10 months ago
I DID WATCH IT, ASSHOLE. AND AS I SAID, THE CAR WASN"T MOVING, THEY GOT A SHARPSHOOTER FROM THE CIA, OSWALD WAS RATED A VERY POOR MARKSMAN, OH, AND HE WAS USING A MANUAL BOLT ACTION RIFLE, WHICH THEY DIDN'T USE IN THIS VIDEO...THEY DIDN'T DUPLICATE THE CONDITIONS EXACTLY...ANY MORON WOULD NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE...
3dartistguy 10 months ago
@3dartistguy Yes the car wasn't moving, but they had a fan blowing wind to alter the bullet speed as if the car was moving. I think you need to start paying more attention you fucktard
TheWackadooFuckhead 10 months ago
Hey FUCKTARD YOURSELF! HAVING A CAR THAT IS STILL THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE MOVING MAKES IT EASIER FOR A SHOOTER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS FEAT. OSWALD HAD TO SHOT, RELOAD, AIM AND SHOOT..HAD THEY DONE THAT, IT WOULD MADE IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY SHOOT THE TARGET. BLOWING WIND AT THE CAR DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR DUPLICATING THE EXACT CONDICTIONS....HAVE YOU EVER SHOT A GUN AT A MOVING TARGET??? OSWALD SHOT THREE TIMES AT A SLOW MOVING TARGET...YEAH, RIGHT.
3dartistguy 10 months ago
@3dartistguy TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A REAL RETARD
So who was responsible for the assassination then mr brains? Mickey Mouse?
TheWackadooFuckhead 10 months ago
NOT Lee Harvey Oswald, thats for sure, Mr Shit for Brains
3dartistguy 10 months ago
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@3dartistguy next you'll be telling me aliens killed michael jackson
TheWackadooFuckhead 10 months ago
His head went BACK and to the LEFT , you dumbass.
Seigu007 10 months ago
@3dartistguy Hah! so 3dartisguy is actually none other than Joe Movie, who writes in the same style, uses caps and is the biggest idiot on earth.
shaboo2 8 months ago
who is Joe Movie, retard?
3dartistguy 8 months ago
@3dartistguy
When I first handled a rifle, I was able to hit an object slightly larger than a bowling pin at about 40 yards. The first time that I'd ever fired a real gun. After that I was able to do it about 2 out of 3 times. I have this on video. I was shocked at how easy and accurate the rifle was, especially compared to the handguns I fired after that (when I couldn't hit anything even at 10 yards). Oswald didn't need to be a sharpshooter. At all.
EGarrett01 9 months ago
If Oswald WAS the shooter and hit JFK in the head, why would the president slump over towards his wife as if he was shot from the front right? Why was the BACK of the president's head blasted out agan, indicating a shot from the front right? Why did the Warren Commission ignore at least 50 witnesses who saw an unidentified man shooting from the grassy knol fence area? Why was Kennedy's policy of withdrawal from Vietnam reversed on the day they buried Kennedy by Lyndon Johnson? Why, Why why?
3dartistguy 9 months ago
@3dartistguy
Did you even read what I posted? You just went off like a chicken that had its head cut off. Nothing you said was even a reply or acknowledgement of what I said to you.
EGarrett01 9 months ago
he was shot from the front on the Head shot. CIA and the Warren Commission made this film
jpjr840 11 months ago
back and to the left .....remember....back and to the left
MrIvanilic 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 Cool you are reading my comments for years? Strange, you are a youtube member for a few weeks now *lol*
Zardoz1977 1 year ago
This is a CIA production. So, now we know the name & face of one of the CIA special ops snipers. He is Michael Yardley. And the criminal government says it is a crime to identify a CIA employee to the public. Well, they just did it. Michael Yardley - CIA sniper employee.
Other CIA personnel are also identified on this video of lies.
oIdmac1 1 year ago
The movement of jfk backwards is a spasm.As a matter of fact the real first movement we can see is the little movement into the front. It is just a little movement cause he already looks downwards to examine his first wound. And the guys are right, if the second sniper would shoot from the front, jackie would be hit too, but she wasn't. Some guys here wrote that the real car was moving and that the head was fixed on the body. Who cares? That is irrelevant, the car wasn't that fast to change sth
Zardoz1977 1 year ago 2
A few years ago I started to believe that jfk was shot from the front, because his body snaps back and the blast cloud is in front of him. In the last days I watched many times the zapruder film, many analysis and now this documentary. Now I want to change my mind, we really don't need a second sniper, one is more than enough to explain what zapruder film shows. The only thing nobody can explain is the fact that Ruby throws away his life and shoots Oswald without a good reason.
Zardoz1977 1 year ago
@Zardoz1977 1. Ruby was a little bit koo koo. 2. He was high on stimulants at the time. 3. He later claimed he did it purely out of compulsion with no forethought. 4. At first he claimed that he wanted to redeem the reputation of Dallas and spare Jackie a trial. 5. Ruby was a little bit koo koo.
InnerSmile72 1 year ago 2
@InnerSmile72 Koo Koo? Don't know, this is too much coincidence for me. JFK shot only by one man from behind, ok, we can talk about that, it is possible indeed, no magic bullet there. But this Ruby being a koo koo, wearing a gun, being there and shooting? Too much questions for me.
Zardoz1977 1 year ago
@Zardoz1977 "Another motive was put forth by Frank Sheeran, allegedly a hitman for the Mafia, in a conversation he had with the then-former Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa. During the conversation, Hoffa claimed that Ruby was assigned the task of coordinating police officers loyal to Ruby to murder Oswald while he was in their custody. As Ruby evidently mismanaged the operation, he was given a choice to either finish the job himself or forfeit his life" Yeah Ruby was a little nuts for sure
InnerSmile72 1 year ago
JFK was the last hope of USA and mankind also.Unfortunately for rich people he was sounded for them as the most dangerous anarchist so the bullets for him were like the tail for the pig.There are still people like JFK but rich people made it difficult for them to be in charge.We DO need a miracle.
mepanousis 1 year ago
The car isn't moving and the human skull is fixed to the body so that it may not move. This experiment is so flawed
MrShort2999 1 year ago
I agree sir, that is exactly what I was thinking
MrShort2999 1 year ago
The neck of the dummy is stuck fast and the head hardly moves when the bullet strikes...not quite as resembling a real human, funny they went to all that effort & cost to get the skull part right but what about the head & neck...sorry just yet another flawed doco that can join the too many that have been made over the years that seem to focus on one word...DOUBT.
shoss40 1 year ago
@shoss40 I agree!!
EB2315 1 year ago
So essentially these guys are trying to prove the Lone Gunman theory for the Head Shot via head wound replication. Reasonable, except they- to the best of my knowledge- do not try to explain or work with JFKs motion after being hit with the bullet. The dummy itself was not desgined for intertial impact- the artifical neck the head was attached to gave no yield whatsoever, and the subsequent 'torso' had to be bolted onto the car. How do you 'LG' advocates explain that?
Zycho32 1 year ago
oswald was one hell of a gunman. so good that these guys couldnt hit it moving
ad1997 1 year ago
Is that George H.Bush at time 6:26 on the inside right
coorsman1962 1 year ago
@BlevinsBI but they had a fan and the car was angled the way when he hit him
Henrici4 1 year ago
1 thing I like to point out. Everytime they do their test they have the car not moving. In the JFK assassination his car was moving and not parked like they show in their test. So you can not call this research. Plus they only take 1 shot. So you see with the car not moving and with them not taking 3 shot the test they do is not worth nothing when it come to research. So you can not go on this.
BlevinsBI 1 year ago
without the conspiracy, that museum would go bust. It would turn into Ford's theater, a place you go on a safety patrol trip in 6th grade then forget about. Tourists would dry up, money would dry up. I see no reason Mr. Mack would want to disprove a conspiracy, he only to wants to find the truth. I say if you think the results are wrong or have an issue with the execution make your own tests and experiments. this clearly shows no one shot from the knoll, stop complaining and PROVE it wrong.
ahidel 1 year ago
Thank you officer McClane for proving how fucken stupid and sick these conspiracy ass holes have been for the past 50 years...
case is fucken closed, Oswald did it.
animefareast 1 year ago
@animefareast
well said my man!! wish they could just except it too..
grettoz 1 year ago
@animefareast 50 YEARS
kennedy147 1 year ago
Conspiracy loons have been screaming for 50 years and never has anyone else been found to have killed JFK. JFK was no exceptional president but a created 50 year myth, the real man lost in all the worship along with Oswald, the Marxist maniac who killed him.
There's more than enough evidence to back up the warren report. The conspiracy loons just want this to go on so they suck more money out of this tragedy and keep alive a sick tourist industry in Dallas.
Oswald did it.
animefareast 1 year ago
@animefareast WHAT EVIDENCE YOU MUPPET
kennedy147 1 year ago
Part 4: In conclusion, if they were really that serious of proving without doubt from which direction the fatal head shot came you would think they would once and for all conduct the ultimate reconstruction, totally close off Dealey Plaza on Nov 22nd at the exact time and this time use a real cadaver as JFK . This useless doco just adds even more doubt...together with over 45 years of other doubt.
shoss40 1 year ago
@shoss40
they have done so with dummies in situ!! all laser measurements taken proved all shots that hit jfk were from above & behind, most likely the tsbd... oswald was in the building, oswald had the gun, oswald shot jfk...
grettoz 1 year ago
Part 3: Notice at the end they said out of respect for JFK they didn't show the actual head shot even though that horrific scene has been seen millions of times over the past 40 years...and we all know why? they claim their footage when superposed with the Sapruder film is a match and yet they don't show JFK's head violently thrusting backwards...all the while showing the head of the dumby leaning forward with the head and neck stuck fast when the head of the dumby is shot the head hardly moves.
shoss40 1 year ago
@shoss40 The one fact that you seem determined to ignore is that, as the ballistics expert in this film said, depending on the type of bullet used, the result would either have been the whole of the top half of Kennedy's head would have been blown off(didn't happen) or a large exit wound would have resulted on the left -hand side of his head (there was no such wound), whether or not Jackie would also have been hit.
Manfromelpaso 1 year ago
@shoss40 Contd. As for the "backwards and to the left" movement of Kennedy's head, this was caused by the pressure of the jet of blood/brain material that was violently ejected out of the front right side of his skull. Ask any ballistics expert or physics teacher. It is schoolboy science to assume that the head would necessarily move in the opposite direction to the striking object. Where no explosion of brain matter occurs - if your head with a baseball bat - then yes, but not in this case.
Manfromelpaso 1 year ago
Part 2: Now for the part where JFK received the head shot, in this Doco or should that be fairytale they say that if indeed the shot came from the front the bullet would have passed through JFK's head and struck possibly killing Jackie...sorry more lies, i know it's horrific but look closely at the Sapruder film at the very moment the bullet strikes the bullets path would have missed Jackie by a foot, her body postion was lower and at a different angle.
shoss40 1 year ago
@shoss40 contd. As for Jackie's position and whether or not she may have been hit by a bullet exiting the left hand side of Kennedy's head, what you say doesn't make sense. You cannot judge, from the position Zapruder was filming from, what the supposed grassy knoll assassin would have seen through his 'scope. The shooter in this documentary suggests that, from where the shot was supposedly made, Jackie's head would have been in line of fire. You are not in a position to challenge his view.
Manfromelpaso 1 year ago
This Doco is a piece of pure fiction firstly notice how the curator of the TSBD museum would want the fatal head shot to have come from the sixth floor window of the TSBD and of course it was Oswald. Secondly if the dumby was surpose to be as close to a human as possible why was the neck stuck fast? For a head to recieve that amount of force whether the bullet came from the front or back would be flying around in any which way...i'm fast running out of characters i'm far from finish yet...
shoss40 1 year ago
@shoss40
accept it ..
grettoz 1 year ago
@shoss40 NICE ONE SHOSS4O
kennedy147 1 year ago
Very Compelling, Except" Any notice what appears to be a well machined after market bolt on the rifle he is using, in addition to the significant difference in the scope. The Oswald carcano was sold in a lot which was the subject of a law suit at the time, related to its quality. The bolt on the Oswald carcano was loose. The cheep scope, had to be chimed by the FBI to even enable it to be fired with any accuracy at all. I wont bother with ammo comparisons.
zrrifle61 1 year ago
I love watching this stuff, makes me believe in Santa Claus.
R.I.P. JFK
jendeh1000 1 year ago
As for the inflexability of the neck that was not what they were showing, All they were attempting was the end result. What you need to look at is at 3:58 of the video they show you where the bullet ended up, and if that is true why wasn't the driver of the car hit? But if you look to the right of the super imposed image of the SD building the Deltex builing should be there and its been said that thats where the second shooter was. And angle of the bullet would be more to the centre of the car.
Beatles101961 1 year ago
KENNEDY'S HEAD SNAPS BACK VIOLENTLY IN ACTUAL SHOOTING.
Dummy mock up has an inflexible neck and completely distorts from what actual events would produce. There's no credibility in this presentation. You'd think that this would be obvious even to the producers.
artistphilosopher 1 year ago 2
Wait a minute. What about the wound in the neck? I know the Single Bullet Theory and I know how it works, but how LIKELY is it that one bullet hit all of those spots. They never analyzed that part did they? A shot to the head could go through Connaly, but that doesn't explain the neck wound very well at all. Whatever. Writing this essay was and is the hardest thing I'll ever have to do.
Jaser200 1 year ago
this is funny they didnt come close at all to showing what happened on the zapruder film.
robinsl27 1 year ago
Wow, it would have been horrible to have been in that car.
BlckSbthMan 1 year ago
and wow.... are the photos of the limo at 3.08 accurate and legit .....I've never seen them before ....???
ShakenVodka 1 year ago
No backward head snap due to the mythical "jet effect."
TrueNovice 1 year ago
two words: occipital, parietal.
modaloperator99 1 year ago
@modaloperator99 ...I wish you could spell...
bobeagle007 1 year ago
@bobeagle007 @bobeagle007 @bob. I can spell just fine. The problem is that you are a moron. Anyways, every single one of the attending physicians at parkland hospital reported seeing a giant gaping wound of EXIT in the BACK (Occipital, parietal) region of Kennedy's head. This implies that, regardless of what Curator Joe here and his fake heads full of jello think, THERE WAS A SHOT FROM THE RIGHT FRONT.
modaloperator99 1 year ago
@modaloperator99 ..er yes thats what i've been saying you muppet..put your dick away and get a job you halfwit...
bobeagle007 1 year ago
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bobeagle007 1 year ago
No amount of evidence will convince a CT
Obelisk2290 1 year ago
@Obelisk2290 ...look up the definition of conspiracy and the word theory.It is easy to put these two words together to come up with a phrase to debunk so called 'idiots' who believe in a senario.I don't actually think you understand what you think you believe., you've been programmed or conditioned and you don't even know it. i'm not gonna blindly follow what our so called leaders tell us.Also you say "no amount of evidence will convince a CT".What evidence are you talking about?
bobeagle007 1 year ago
@bobeagle007 53 pieces of evidence seale oswalds fate
Obelisk2290 1 year ago
@Obelisk2290 ...shut up..big people are talking..
bobeagle007 1 year ago
@bobeagle007 typical CT talk, then who are these BIG PEOPLE where were they 47 years ago besides there are 53 pieces of evidence agains LHO, the game was ove before it began. Had he lived he would have spent live in prison if he wast executed and we know how much Texas loves to execute
Obelisk2290 1 year ago
@Obelisk2290 If you repeat the term "pieces of evidence seale (sic) oswalds fate" 53 times will anyone believe you? You must repeated it 53 times now in your hundreds of postings about JFK.
TrueNovice 1 year ago