CPR Pacific 2317 Derails!

[TrainSounds]

where there any injuries?

[TheStrasburg90]

1:11 This looks like a model train wreck, not a real one! lol

[CabooseKid]

and this is why they need to restore their wrecking crane....

[wolevet97]

Fortunatley it doesn't look that bad.

[longhornandsouthern]

Good thing the tender didn't take the locomotive with it!

[tigermki]

should i find the song ironic

[paratroop24]

How bad was the total damage to the train?

[robertgift]

Cause?

Uneven weight distribution in the tender?

As the tender curved right, water in the tank sloshed left and raised the right wheel flanges above the rail head, so the left wheels went right off their rail?

[LoganisTrainBoy1]

@robertgift Tenders are very hard to get unbalanced due to their center of gravity (most locomotive builders thought of that) And I dought the speed of the train was great enough to cause an imbalance. Chances are the weight of the train went over a bad piece of rail and the tender derailed (Thank gosh not the engine).

[robertgift]

@LoganisTrainBoy1 Thanks, 1. I don't understand why the heavier engine did not derail. Or is its weight morevenly distributed whereas the tender's weight is on just four wheels causing a higher weight on wheel contact?

[LoganisTrainBoy1]

@robertgift I saw the rail had flipped on its side after I replied. I am guessing the heavier engine broke the rail but the locomotive still cleared because everything was in line. Then when the gap between the engine and the tender went over the broken section the broken piece shifted. Then when the tender hit it derailed.

[robertgift]

@LoganisTrainBoy1  Thanks Boy1.

[stevefromPA2]

I was told by the curator at steamtown that they generate $400,000 a year..that barely covers the fire box, piping of a typical steam Loco..they were frame upin a CP steam loco at a cost of 5 million

[ooGAMINGoo]

Steamtown loses so much money...........

[jppicur]

@HaloCE14 -- We'll have to disagree on that. The expense of running a locomotive as big as NKP 759 means you need to FILL a very long train every time you run. Are you telling me Steamtown gets that many customers every day?

I would be surprised to find Steamtown makes more than bare operating costs with what they are running now.

[jppicur]

@HaloCE14 -- What would they do with NKP 759?  Far too big and powerful (and expensive) for their needs. Also, why compete against NKP 765?

[jppicur]

A steam locomotive tender is one of the worst riding heavy vehicles on rails because of the amount of unbalanced (fuel vs water) weight shift during operations. Suspension design was always a problem to the mechanical engineers. In the G-3-c class, the light weight of the tender is 68 tons; loaded weight 148 tons. That's around 125% difference over the light weight.

If it was merely a matter of weight, the locomotive (about 160 tons) would have derailed first.

[Bus7777]

I KNEW my model trains were realistic!

[CyberFur]

why dosent it show the tender derailing ??? i know its not a nice site to see but it would of been worth a few more coments and views

[jackjackthebomb]

haha the tender wanted to be different

[mkrugerrails]

Was there radio communication between the two cabs. It didn't appear that #7 slowed down once the rear car picked the switch going into the passing siding.

[LordoftheKaty]

That is a beautiful engine!

[bulletman100]

may as well take off the railroad period costumes. ride's over.

[TheDylanJoyce]

AAAAAAAAAAAAH! you skipped the part when it falls of the tracks! (ANGER)

[4202EJW]

OH NO! She's is has twisted her ANKLE! LOL! poor engine :(

[EmSTrO7x3]

I hope that engine is Ok

[Sunclief]

I hope they fixed it a real shame! love my steam trains.

[EmSTrO7x3]

@Sunclief

Me too

[RichAtCamp]

Ain't gonna be our day.......

[mdlman583]

CAN WE SEE HOW THEY FIX IT?

[ThomasRules8391]

I hate it when steam engine get derailed in real life!

[SuperCyberbully]

shit happens!

[4202EJW]

Poor 2317! :(

[walter866]

My son and I was on the third passenger car from the tender when the outside rail turned. It took the engine crew all of about 7-10 seconds to stop the train. And there we sat for 6+ hours.

[Dombomb3131]

wow how did that happen???

[darkyoda]

Probably a weight issue. That steamer is heavier than most Diesels would be.

[TheLegoair]

@darkyoda actualy, steamers spread their wight more evenly and are lighter on the track

[xxxDeath9572xxx]

2317 made her last run on December 5th, the final day of operation at Steamtown for 2009. She is getting the inspection now..

[xxxDeath9572xxx]

2317 made its last run on December 5th, 2009, as it was the last day of running for the year.. B&ME 3713 is supposedly going to be finished this year

[TheJuggalohomie4life]

how in the hell did that happen

[funnyfunnys]

aww man thats not good...

[SteamingObe]

Whos tracks are those?

[youbite1]

id rather see 3713 in service....finally an american engine although 2317 was nice.....i was up in her durring railcamp.

[WindowsAndMacintosh]

ARG country music!

It would've been 5 stars except for country music!!!

4 stars and favorite.

[shininghappyperson7]

how did they get the train back.and the locomotive

[ELSDN4319]

At 1:21 you can clearly see an Aldon Co. Rerailer hanging just above the rear truck of the tender. It makes me wonder if they routinely had trouble with the tender derailing.....

[rgerhardtembarq]

well, i went yesterday, and i was fine, it was running, i rode on it.

[coastercub81]

The sad thing is that 2317 has been sitting idle most of this season. Steamtown being a National Park can not advertise commercially, and is subject to Federal budget dollars. What this means is that right now, there are less visitors, and hardly any capital investment in preserving steam railroading.

What has always made me sad is that both the mainline excursion engines at Steamtown National Park are Canadian locomotives! I know they are working on the B&M, but that will not be done soon

[metalgodaragona1986]

I know what you mean, Too bad they can't have those "Ride with Thomas" That brings Strasburg tons of money and they been doing amazing in the last years because of it.

[robertgift]

Why were you not videoing the train?

You could have captured the derailment.

You can video the mountains ANYTIME!

[kdlehel]

plasser&theurer is the solving of rail maintence and concrete ties. Used in europe 100% efficient.

[jppicur]

@kdlehel -- In Canada, we've given reinforced concrete ties an extensive and expensive trial, and they don't stand up to the extremes of climate. The major railroads are now going to steel ties. However, that solution is probably too expensive for a small line like this.

[kdlehel]

@jppicur well here is electricaly contrloed and 27kw powerline catenary is present. All time is manicured. The real cold is present here too. -40c to +40 50c degrees.

The control sistem is called indusi and mosly these locomotives here are 8000-9000hps. 120tonnes and has icol cab control sistem. here is not allowed any error like a derailment.

[wraith0127]

Wow, cool video. You think that the outside rail coming loose and flipping on it's side caused the derailment, or could it have just been collateral damage? I like leaning about how these kinds of things happen. Nice looking engine!

[msc4lf]

wow, I used to live right in this area. Thanx for posting.

[yourweathertodayHD]

it did go off the rails in 2003...this was then :P

[microbusss]

what was the cause?

[yerkees01]

I agree. Why is everyone saying "Lucky it wasn't 3254"? 2317 is the better excursion engine, on account of the fact that it was a passenger engine in its prime

[736berkshire]

No one was hurt, right?

[ffej980]

deferred maintenance...rotten ties...that was the cause...over 300 ties were needed at the site of the de-railment alone...

[ibook133]

PC had it worse, they needed 40 million ties.

[papabugs71]

Wide gauge.

[BarryManilowFan4eva]

NICE!!!

[bwarrrrk]

classic model rail crash hope it didnt write off the iron horse

should have got it falling off the rails through

[GSpro]

Why is everyone saying "Lucky it wasn't 3254?" Either way it sux it happened. I heard it also happened again in the past month and that's why 2317 hasn't been running.

[yourweathertodayHD]

3254 is 91, and im not sure but im guessing she probably takes a lot more effort to maintain...maybe

[xxxDeath9572xxx]

Your right and the annoying part is that they are losing profits this way if they cant run both. The derailments are happening due to the crews refusing to change the wheel tires..... giving it less traction and making derailments easier?

[yourweathertodayHD]

well the crews aren't refusing...management is...without authorization the crews can do nothing...and the wheels are worn pretty thin....I don't think having the aged tires makes derailments more likely though...I think it only puts a lot more wear on the wheels themselves...but I could be wrong.

[xxxDeath9572xxx]

my Mistake. And you are right either steamtown does this or 2317 is going to end up just like 2102.

[jppicur]

@yourweathertodayHD -- At some point, the tires won't meet standards for flange wear and tire thickness and will be outlawed. The biggest danger is in sharp flanges picking a switchpoint and turning everything over!

[yourweathertodayHD]

easy. not everyone catches everything. its not like we anticipate a derailment

[BarryManilowFan4eva]

I agree, but ya neva know what will happen.

not name calling.

[TVRM610]

Not too long ago, SP&S #700, and SP #4449 ran aground in Oregon while running a Christmas Train. It took them I belive 3 days to get both steamers back on the rails.

[csxES44DC]

Whoah! On CPR 2317 on the ground!

[GP9railfan]

Ooops! Love the Boxcar Willie song!

[pengapop12]

hey it coulda been worse

[robertgift]

What happened?

I'd expect rail to spread under the greater weight of the locomotive, not the tender.

Was rail not properly secured to ties?

Weak or rotted ties?

Thank you.

[3254man]

Ya that really stinks. Things like that give steam railroading VERY bad publicity. At least this didnt happen to 3254

[420glass]

wow that stinks! Track inspector should be fired.

You bring a pretty old girl like that out for a walk and it's like her pants fell down on main street.

Thanks for posting

[SeniorMinch229018]

Whoops!!!

[TommyBNSF]

GREAT VIDEO!!!

[DarkTower97]

DAYM. I love that engine. Rather unfortunate.

[mandmengineer]

I was on that ride!

Steamtown to Portland cutout, well at lest that was the plan.

Quite a mess. We were only going about 5 MPH when it happened, good thing else would have been much worse.

Tim

[jimbo2317]

I forgot that happened.

[Bonegrl]

Nice Victory Red Avalanche. Great color choice.

[mafarnz]

That sucks.  Do they know how it happened?

[mikes47jeep]

from what i heard poor track matinence

[CSX6000]

Wow, can't believe this actually happened.