Throbbing Gristle Interview: Boing Boing Video (2009 Reunion Tour)

[NeedleFactoryTube]

Faster the Bruce Springsteen

[pedroincendio]

<3 9:50 !!!

[number7gracestreet]

R. Metzger --to the rescue!

(Whomever he is)

[LenasAK47]

mind- go to watch today The ballad of Genesis and Lady Jaye - it s out in the cinemas 24/11/2011

[gustard33]

Screeching, Creaking, Rustling, Buzzing,Crackling, Scraping

Noises obtained by beating on metals, woods, skins, stones, pottery, etc.

Voices of animals and people, Shouts, Screams, Shrieks, Wails, Hoots, Howls, Death rattles, Sobs

He designed and constructed a number of noise-generating devices called Intonarumori and assembled a noise orchestra to perform with them. A performance of his Gran Concerto Futuristico (1917) was met with strong disapproval and violence from the audience.

[gustard33]

Luigi Russolo was perhaps the first noise artist.[3][4] His 1913 manifesto, L'Arte dei Rumori, translated as The Art of Noises, stated that the industrial revolution had given modern men a greater capacity to appreciate more complex sounds.

The Art of Noises classified "noise-sound" into six groups:

Roars, Thunderings, Explosions, Hissing roars, Bangs, Booms

Whistling, Hissing, Puffing

Whispers, Murmurs, Mumbling, Muttering, Gurgling

[gustard33]

Actually the origin of industrial music would be The Art of Noises (L'arte dei Rumori) is a Futurist manifesto, written by Luigi Russolo in a 1913 when throbbing gristle were twinkles in their granfdparents eye

[NeedleFactoryTube]

@gustard33 < good example of someone who likes NIN

[greedholymoney]

yuck what a piece of shit interview by these two magazine ad styled wankers.

[Krsna93]

Genesis looked a lot better when he was younger. What was his problem?

[Markthompson123]

sleazy is dead rip

[left4deadlover123]

Disipline?

[left4deadlover123]

What is trhe song at the begginging?

[fucksalt97]

I've found my new favorite band.

[0flakey1]

tou didnt mention tg to a bird in th 80s if you wanted abit

[anothercountyheard]

@0flakey1 wrong kind of birds then. the witches around here were running laps trying to get into my place.

Every real witch in the Southeast was here when PTV came to town, I met them

[Photonzos]

I remember industrial sound happening before throbbing Grizzle came along...

[anothercountyheard]

@Photonzos before TG there was no "industrial sound" --- the avant garde classical of Cage et al could hardly be called industrial, Gen & co made up the word.

[hundhun17]

Trent Reznor made the Donward Spiral, before people bitch about NIN being sellout please listen to the record mentioned above, it is the most sonically mindblowing record, so far ahead of its time, What he did was very different to TG, a more conventional approach, but the majority of NIN'S discography is flawless, and its great NIN became huge, he was greatly influenced by Throbbing Gristle who of course are legendary pioneers of the sound.

[England5is5the5best]

@hundhun17 NIN is sad amerikkan goth shite.

[garygomesg]

A great deal of the stuff that Throbbing Gristle does--and I like Throbbing Gristle--was done by Cage (Cartridge Music), MEV, AMM and even Paul Bley in the late 1960's and 1970's), or Can a little later. I like TG, but the origins of this are a little deeper.

[England5is5the5best]

@garygomesg I'd expect an Amerikkkan to say that.

[anothercountyheard]

@England5is5the5best TG should be made Members of the British Empire (MBE) I am american by birth,

ANGLO SAXON by heritage. I identify as an Anglo because anyone could be "american"

[England5is5the5best]

@anothercountyheard My god,a white amerikkan who doesn't think he is irish

[anothercountyheard]

@England5is5the5best ATLANTA The deep south was solidly WASP (or black) The Irish went to the industrialized north, likewise Germans, Poles, Italians, Jews, the Scots went to the mountains. The deep agricultural south went to friends of King George and their vassals, Anglos fleeing Angland for debt. I am a descendant of these original settlers. We have the finest black music here, like Big Boi and Janelle Monae and Gucci Mane and Bobby Ray/BoB James Brown; local music heritage.

[anothercountyheard]

@England5is5the5best Why in the hell would any white man who is not Irish claim Irish ancestry? I would probably deny it if I had any Irish blood. It used to be Irish were looked down on around here, any catholic suspected of alcoholism. It wasn't the Irish who created the Empire the sun never set on...Let's be real. The English speaking people rule the world --- the flower and peak of western civilization And forget a melting pot ; America was created by Englishmen

[England5is5the5best]

@anothercountyheard Fucking die,you boring cunt

[mishmoshable]

@England5is5the5best lol england is the best. what fag

[England5is5the5best]

@mishmoshable fuck off,Dumb homophobic insecure Amerikkan berk

[mishmoshable]

@England5is5the5best emphasizing the k's eh? i like that.

[England5is5the5best]

@mishmoshable You would,Nazi scum

[anothercountyheard]

The Endless Not is an unbelievably good album. As good as anything they've done.

RE Nine Inch Nails; they/he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with TG.

[England5is5the5best]

@anothercountyheard You are a voice of reason

[Chuckjagermeister]

But I remember a time when if you listened to bands like TG you were thought of as a real fuck up or druggie or weirdo. Kinda miss that. We need new meat I guess.

[chucklesmcphee]

The guy in the glasses is your typical psycho fan. LOL.

[princeofdaftness]

RIP Sleazy

[Sensoria1]

Cabaret Voltaire and Throbbing Gristle are the pioneers

[anothercountyheard]

@Sensoria1 too right! can't underestimate Cab Vol... I saw Cabaret Voltaire at a tiny club in ATL touring with Microphonies, blew my mind.

[fluffycake1]

These guys are real pioneers and out on their own. Gotta respect that.

They have paved the way for new and old industrial/electronic and experimental acts like Nine Inch Nails, Gary Numan, Depeche Mode, Front Line Assembly, Cabaret Voltaire, Front Line Assembly, Coil, Burial, Aphex Twin, Angel Spit, AllFlaws

[romeosdistress]

in response to all this NIN stuff - NIN was a great band and clearly these guys and other 'real industrial' groups thought so too because NIN worked with Coil and Foetus and many others on numerous occasions. Seems a little pointless for all you to be arguing the toss when the artists you're discussing have clearly made their decision without you, 15 years ago...

[erictheviking871]

what has gone wrong with music today. so much technology ,so little imagination. take the cash is the main aim,not all bands but most.

[jessejamesladeroute]

faust = industrial

[DungeonStudio]

Is it me, or is there something wrong with seeing these guys using laptops and Ikea desks on stage now? Like finding out Kraftwerks big 'control consoles' were nothing more than fancy housed Roland and Korg synths. There was something about the image of TG with their gear before that just isn't there now. To me, a 'reunion' should bring back the old instruments and methods as well. Much like seeing VU in Hugo Boss clothes and Moe playing a Roland Octapad and Cale using some body less cello. WTF?

[wheelworker1]

the problem with cluster is that they were dull. If you want to go even further , during 1960s sound effects LPs were being made in america. These were records kids could play while they played slot cars. They feature a full lps worth of engine revs. Theremin music also predates krautrock as do Perry and kingsley, who used the moog.

[redshaftedflicker]

I like certain elents of TG no question--to call them originators is bullshit.

[elpatodark1]

q feaaaaaa



[swineburn]

Let us not forget about Kluster when we talk about industrial music. They were pioneering the genre in 1970.

[octagon79]

@swineburn kluster made ambient music and krautrock, both of which are influential on industrial but not quite industrial

[NotGabeNewell]

Haha holy shit they use a DS with the KORG game.

[67675656565655656565]

what a freak

[lovesGenet]

The difference can be evaluated using spectator theory .This band released their own material and later in effect did work with record labels.They are an idea and art band not meant to be easily assimilated or part of the radio soundscape.One has to know about philosophy,semiotics ,psychoanalytic theory .Their world has been investigated in academia.Industrial music is just a tag- it has lost its special meaning.Capitalist realism leaves very little room for the brain to GO OFF .

[Koeterklatscher]

That ribbon controller especially from 05:00 onwards ... that frightening distorted sound like from a war sirene.... pure TG. I'm loving it ....

[gombie]

Goddamn Korg DS-10 on Nintendo DS and 2 Kaossilators..

They definetly use new gear..

[briantraylor]

Darn, I was in the pit shooting nice HD in SF. I wonder what TG and SR did with my footage? Not on here!

[INITIALSJE]

Wow, thanks for the post! That's the first time I've ever seen an actual interview with all the original members!

[dagga36]

legends

[TheNineinchsnails]

i never see this band as enjoyable..like something i would put on my ipod, but something I would listen to and evaluate..its experimental art for me

[chrisnoaro1]

@TheNineinchsnails i find most of their stuff very enjoyable - energising and exciting. i have most of their recorded output. most of what gets called industrial these days and for the last 15 or 20 years is just heavy metal trash - how did that happen?

[TheNineinchsnails]

@chrisnoaro1 because its metal hence the name industrial metal. Its a sub genre of industrial. which really should be re named post-industrial metal to be specific. Music changes and i dont see how you can call bands like skinny puppy kmfdm heavy metal trash. Honestly dude you shouldnt be bad mouthing metal cause the most stereotyped music genres are industrial and metal and what you were doing saying heavy metal is in itself is a stereotype.

[chrisnoaro1]

@TheNineinchsnails yeah fair enough, i got a bit carried away slagging metal. I believe evaluation of all music is entirely subjective and have no problem with people liking metal so my comment wasn't the most thoughtful. I like some Skinny Puppy. Big fan of Frontline Assembly too, got most of their stuff. Cheers

[INITIALSJE]

@TheNineinchsnails It all depends on how you choose to define -"enjoyable".

[19887624]

now adays anything goes., and i dont think that is o OK......

[TheNineinchsnails]

people listen to songs like hand that feeds and think nin isnt industrial, which it isnt but some of his songs that arent as popular are pretty industrial Ghost is pretty industrial but todays industrial cant even say its post industrial its so far away

[ajittffcure]

Interesting footage.

[MutleeIsTheAntiGod]

Evolution of Industrial music

TG,SPK,Einsturzende Neubauten->Skinny Puppy, Ministry,Depeche Mode->NIN,Rammstein->Combichri­st, God Module, Wumpscut->shit bands such as Grendel and MSI

As you can see, the roots were and in some cases are genii but we are in the modern and most shitastic part of the evolution that barely resembles it's early stages at all. From Avant Garde art to standard club dance bull shit. I'll take the core thank you very much. Long live TG.

[harryarchiegus]

Where is this early footage from?  It looks incredible.

[sex6cult9revolution]

@harryarchiegus Wow, no one has replied to you.

It looks like the Mission of Dead Souls which was their last concert before breaking up. It's from SF, CA in 1981. Look up "Discipline" and you'll find a ten-minute video from that gig. It rocks.

[spookygothu]

TG it's unique and make music not for the masses but to be discovered and explored,i love the white noise done by the guitar and synthesizers being used and abused on stage,as a raw blind doing myself sound.

[Iamcola65]

lol lol lol you call this industiral!?! it's just random noise thats really shitty and yeah real industrial is rammstein and nine inch nails SO FUCK THIS

[anarcharnate]

Please. Please, die. You are what is wrong with the world.

[anarcharnate]

Oh, thank fuck, you're an inveterate troll, not a sincere one. I was worried for a bit.

[chrishove123]

you make yourself sound really stupid with this comment. Idustrial Music was sound and "noise" in it's original form it was a kick against commercial shit without TG and PTV there would be no NIN. Rammstein and NIN are not industrial industrial now is just commercial music with a bit of fx chucked in for good measure. it's the same as r&b and garage the genres of music now are totally different to what they originally were. r&b was rocknroll garage was rock from peoples garages

[birinbirinbirin]

@Iamcola65 this is what started it all you uneducated fuck. with out them there would be no industrial so all the gay industrial metal bull shit you listen to would not exist. and ramstein and nine inch nails isnt real industrial im actually embarissed to call it that i just say metal

[mushroomleg]

anyone who talks the dogshit about TG's reuinion can kiss my arse. no matter what, at least they gave us "the endless not" which, even though it sounds like Coil w/ p-orridge singing, is a very swell album. i miss jhon balance :L

[hislipsaremoving]

I hate Twitter, blargh!

[TEMPmichaelhansen]

AWESOME WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!

[TEMPmichaelhansen]

Thank you Andrew McLAughlin for introducing me to this band!!!

[23skyn]

Thats the point MORON. Its sure not to please YOU.

[jesseb5446]

Worthless crap. To call this shit music is to give a monkey a typewriter and call him a writer. Any tripping idiot can pound on a bass guitar with a beer bottle. I honestly can't believe people fall for this shit.

[Not4NewFag]

@jesseb5446 - ignorant newfag:

"To call this shit music is to give a monkey a typewriter and call him a writer" .. You are obviously confused, enjoy the basement.. unless you would like some sunshine? I got a spanking new bridge for sale. PM me if You are interested.

[mavericdragon]

I feel the same about commercial radio music. If you gotta push a button to hear it, i'll pass.

[GreenFont]

Well said!

[bigmachine666]

ehh...... =.='

[jasonbigelow]

Couldn't we have expected TG to be beter,than to play the bullshit reunion game?

[taoist77]

Hey I remember seeing that richard metzger in the late 90's in a tv show late nights on channel 4 uk called disinfonation. Awesome show of counter culture.

[vanuaturocks]

I wouldn't call Throbbing Gristle Industrial, I'd call them Avant Gardes!

[Not4NewFag]

@vanuaturocks : It really does not matter what you or any other ignorants call it. we do not care. TG coined the term "Industrial Music - (for Industrial People)".. (actually Monte C did) you would not know, but keep on enjoying your bliss.

"The meme is the message" .. Avant Garde is not wrong tough..

[TheCelticNinja]

NIN isn't even industrial music. NIN is just shit.

[AimmarCair]

:/ I agree slightly

[spookygothu]

I'm sorry but as arrogant as this comment seem to be i have to say NIN is not shit.

Not the best or worst band out there but respectably noticed,They've conquered with years of experience their space in the media,Trent Reznor is very talented and need to be recognized as a very good musician,now there are all types of "industrial" bands with all sorta ambient s and contents.I see NIN as using<--- industrial and electronic elements to create rock<---- music in it's unique<---- form .

[GreenFont]

TG are legends, the nucleus that everything spread from but not necessarily identical or directly from.

A lot of what people call Industrial nowadays can be split into two interpretations, 1) The umbrella term 'Industrial' used to encompass EBM, Aggrotech, Futurepop etc. and 2) Such bands as NIN, which I don't personally see as having a relation. Sifting through the chaos of mislabelling and rapid change, we can see that TG although different, are the founders of what we now call industrial.

[badluckshadow13]

@GreenFont I like to think of it as Raymond Watts from PIg put it, "industrial is a lazy term."

It is now, everything's called industrial! I've heard people call everything from Nitzer Ebb to Angelspit, it's crazy man!

[mavericdragon]

I remember one bubblehead in highschool telling ppl "Depeche Mode is so industrial" and that Einsturzende Neubauten was stupid. Yeah....right. She later died in a car crash, probably with Blasphemous Rumours playing. Is that irony?

[badluckshadow13]

@mavericdragon I don't see how on earth you could confuse Depeche Mode as being industrial... I mean unless it was some sort of subtle KMFDM reference or something, but even then it's a stretch.

That being said, I do have DM to thank for getting me into Nitzer Ebb.

Oh and you oughta stabbed the bitch for the EN comment.

And no, not irony, karma.

[mavericdragon]

For real. She help on that People are People's intro was 'Industrial" and that bands like that were 'hard". I think my milk must have shot out my nose at lunch when i heard that. Keep in mind this was 1994, so music was different then, but EN reigns supreme over DM!

[seenherdressedinblue]

@badluckshadow13 Depeche Mode was definitely hugely influenced by Industrial music but the basis of all of their songs are chords and melody. (Not saying this is a bad thing)

[seenherdressedinblue]

@mavericdragon No it's not. Irony would be if she got hit by Depeche Mode's tour bus as they were on their way to go see an Einsturzende Neubauten concert.

[wordupassholes]

song at 0:30 is from Mission of dead souls, right? Wich one is it

[Asymmatrix]

True originals. Read about their origin as the performance art group COUM Transmissions if you have a strong stomach. I suspect Genesis P embellished just a tad, but who knows with these guys.

[VIMaggotVIBrainzVI]

This is a pretty informative interview. I was always interested in TG's working methods, and the idea that they all sort of "connected" psychically to make their music is pretty awesome. Also, Cosey's laugh at 9:19 after she says "We put the card out" is so lovely :)

[mushroomleg]

cool interview. thanks. gen is looking a bit plump!!!

[xxtiaan]

mabey s/hes pregnant!

[katuhtuh]

@xxtiaan For the third time? God damn!

[synthwerk]

Thank you, Metzger, for differentiating between TG and all the complete bullshit that came after them.

[TheEyeOfJustice]

Leslie Ash is looking well

[Trgr66]

USA will , it seems, always corrupt great art

[spookygothu]

Every scene has it's god father as Peter Murphy is for goth,Throbbing Gristle is for the industrial but not what it is today and NIN is not totally industrial i would say the closest band to the gristle's would be Die Form and Seraph there u have some connection.

[MetalGearNaked]

NIN in industrial rock, not pure industrial. Trent uses a lot of industrial elements in NIN but it's rock at heart.

[sepherant]

@MetalGearNaked NIN is what Industrial as established by TG on an alternative fringe evolved into as mainstream consumption. Along the way, you had stuff like Skinny Puppy and Scraping Foetus off a Wheel and Ministry. Skinny Puppy and TG are very different, but there's no calling SP "industrial rock." There is no "pure" industrial, there are just industrial periods... TG is a root of it all. This is all just labeling semantics.

[mouthbreather1]

3:56 Holy shit, they use the Korg DS-10 too!

[tedzodd]

the interviewers need to be fucking lit on fire!!

[coelacanth23]

what a pair of bollocks interviewers; wish they'd done some more ReSearch on this rather Vague interview

[tedzodd]

I think Gen is still doing something really amazging. What do you mean that he's useless? Im not being insulting to you, I'm curious to know what you think.

[cowboystitching]

No, I understand. I just think P Orridge is and always has been an attention getter. TG and PTV early on were amazing because of the other members involved. I tend to think of Gen as a Warhol-type; he brings people together, and that's his talent. Of course, other than getting back with TG, he hasn't done anything worthwhile in a decade or two. (And yes, I do own Trip Reset)

[BlahSnarto]

Thanks for posting

[mrshrippy]

So basically Colaber Milk::

Basically, you're in the wrong decade and probably the wrong country. Adolf Hitler shot himself in Germany in 1945. Heey so into noise music are we? I've got a good idea mate why not jump off a cliff and experience the intense whistling sound on the way down, go crazy why not put a used nappy on your head for an extra groovy time

[mrshrippy]

This a post about ColaberMilk, based on a recent series of email exchanges

1. You claim to know Boyd Rice personally, yet Boyd Rice has been interviewed by one of the most high-profile white power fascists in America.

2. You don't know where England is.

3. 'Your sense of humour' dictates that you have to have a fake video on your list of someone being rude about people who aren't white, the soundtrack is superimposed on a video of someone else.

[xxxspookyxxx]

w...when industrial was about using machinery and not plastic hair

[mengele800]

These assholes obviously didn't do their homework on TG previous to the interview.

[Fitz2393]

Haven't done your own homework clearly.  Richard Metzger has been friends with Genesis for well over a decade and is well aware of TG's background and methods.

[sonor23]

He asked some very dull questions .

[MagnitudePerson]

I know billion underground(and some not, NOT AT ALL) bands that have 100% industrial in a rhytmic form buy combining anthing that can be Industrial, they made good rhytmic versions, some even too/pure rhytmic, and its REAL industrial, not the modern "electro-industrial" or Harsh EBM we have...

[plague1715]

Wow. syncing a koassilator and a mini-kp with ableton live must be insane in a tg set

[gombie]

I agree, TG and (original, and maby later) SPK isn't popular in the industrial scene... The industrial scene is doing well, but... It lacks of industrial music.

[ColaberMilk]

Indeed, Boyd Rice, Clock DVA, and The Cabs are also underexposed as well.

[gombie]

yes, even tough especialy Clock dva, the cabs and later spk had the most influence in the later industrial scene (let's not forget about laibach, wich evolved with the industrial scene... little bit, little more popular than others)... Also, Front 242... neither is it as popular as it should be.. And the reason is.... THEY ARE PURE, they don't fascinate with violent & Dark image, like the newer bands..

[mrshrippy]

Fuck Boyd Rice. He's a fascist.

[ColaberMilk]

Lol, so what, he's badass

[mrshrippy]

Don't be a wanker, Milk. Type in BOYD RICE NAZI on youtube and you'll see what a little dickhead Boyd Rice is. He's a top fool. People that make industrial music and hide behind swastikas are a bunch of moots.

[Ulmeyda08]

Genuis.

[Iskalla]

I saw Sleazy with a Kaossiator :D awesome...I'm seeing them live tomorrow in London, my all time favourite band

[gombie]

Kaossiator? You mean Kaossilator?

[Maroli85]

estupid

[thepervertedarts]

are you fucking kidding?

[steinber]

I'd like to get high with them...

[tallcedarsovlebanon]

After Cease to Exist

[Schattenheim]

Thanx for this...

Nice to see those people again :-)

Greetings

H.Kern (Schattenheim)