Badger cull 'not cost-effective' in TB battle

[philstew1234]

Why the hell are badgers not classed as vermin?!  Protecting them and helping to increase their numbers has NO benefit, ecologically, or economically. Id like to see someone give me 5 GOOD reasons not to class badgers as vermin!

[badgerprotector]

Put cattle to one side in your thinking. 1000's of Badgers live outside the currently endemic TB area - not all of the country has endemic TB in its wildlife population - YET, but TB is creeping across to the east at a steady rate regardless of cattle. Badgers suffer a painful and drawn out death when they have TB - it is not something that they cary harmlessly like a parasite. Healthy badgers outside the southwest need protecting from this disease. Time is short and a cull may be the only way.

[SONGSTICKS]

@willzy2k6

You know it's people like you that made me give up on the human race. There's no fucking hope !!

MAY THE FLEAS OF A THOUSAND CAMELS INFEST YOUR ARSEHOLE.

[SONGSTICKS]

Hasty action without conclusive evidence. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. scientists are far from trustworthy. Take the Ecoli outbreak. 1st off they say.. IT'S THE CUCUMBERS ! So Germany destroy thousands of Cucumbers..shortly after some lab somewhere puts up a hand and says..oops, sorry not the cucumbers ! We think it might be..um er. beansprouts..maybe, !! Badgers are one of Britains finest treasures, we need to sign every petition we can to stop these idiots in government

[willzy2k6]

@SONGSTICKS i think youl find its often not scientists that are not trust worthy it is the media and the way they interperate reports from the scientific comunity that are incorrect , every scientific report is scrutinised by other members of the scientic community so false claims are uncovered rapidly , and in the e coli incident im sure that they were doing the best job they could concidering no one had any idea what the source was , dont comment upon things you have little knowledge of.

[SONGSTICKS]

@willzy2k6

Since you seem to think you are the authority on this subject.

Tell me what conclusive evidence there is that Badgers are the cause of tb in cattle.

As one chap has said below, in Ireland the cull made no difference.

It's one thing trashing cucumbers, but killing beautiful animals without absolute proof that they are the cause or that culling them would cure the problem is rediculous. Maybe I was a bit hasty blaming the scientists, I'll give you that.

[scania27]

WE had a badger cull in ireland and sorry to say but it hasnt worked at all bovine tb is still causing trouble seems to have got worse actually.they are now saying its to do with the way we farm and transport our animals.we have had a cull so learn from us it DOESNT WORK

[scania27]

WE had a badger cull in ireland and sorry to say but it hasnt worked at all bovine tb is still causing trouble seems to have got worse actually.they are now saying it

[Catsvomit]

@FarmerDew97 - it is your intention to eventually kill cattle anyway. Your only gripe probably is loss of profit.

[LFCDanny123]

Another reason to hate humanity and once again prove them stupid. For fucks sake, it's such a dumbass idea, all scientific research has shown this will pretty much do nothing to slowing the disease, and even in some places, will make it worse, but of course out retarded goverment announced today they will go ahead with it, just to be cruel bastards.

[PopulationcontrolNow]

This is a hornets nest i've stumbled into it seems.I have three questions i would like answers to from those that have the knowledge please.

Is there a PROVEN link between cattle tb and badgers?

Can we inoculate our cattle against tb?

Do we have the moral right to exterminate a species that has lived for many thousands of years on the land we now farm?

If like snifanscratch you feel the need to swear,draw dubious conclusions and trot out the hackneyed "tree hugging" line please do not reply.

[brazenward]

U.K farmers and landowners will run the countryside by their own rules regardless of what the law says ..The fact that a badger cull even has to be considered is just an example of the Pigs ear they've already made of it.The only time most of them want to give anything back to nature is if they get a subsidy for it..Snifandscratch's angry abusive and nasty attitude helps to back this up.

[Farmlad1]

@snifanscratch for fucks sake shut the hell up you don't know what your talking about. Tb costs England millions each year all these dead livestock means less money for the farmers and less produce for the country , which then leads to bringing it in from other country's which runs the risk of those dammed illegal immigrants. Unless your a tree hugging vegan and then i would be able to understand your delusional point of view I say keep the hell out of this. Because I know when the petition com

[FarmerDew97]

We came down with TB last year. we had to kill 70 cattle.if killing badgers is animal cruelty then shurely having to kill cattle with tb is aswell.

[corp09]

@FarmerDew97 intensive farming and transportation are the major causes or bovine TB, nothing to do with the bloody badgers

[philstew1234]

@corp09 those have nothing to do with the "cause" of TB. However, the "spread" of TB is largely down to badgers as well as between cattle on a farm. How would you explain TB ocurring in a closed herd of cattle that no other cattle are introduced to? However, I dont believe it the badgers fault. Its the nut-cases that see it fit to class them as a protected species and prevent them fram being controlled. Rats spread disease and are controlled... why not badgers?

[jamierlhjones]

we need to gas them, it was done years ago and it worked, it should work now, the gov can do it but if it is stop, the people are going to.

[snifnscratch]

@jamierlhjones farmers should be gassed, not badgers

[snifnscratch]

I STOLE a stavin collie dog frm a farm n took it to the rspca, n phnd rspca about dogs in similar conditions on farms. use dogs like they use a power tool - they dont bother to care for it. eek every ounce of profit out of their farm, n if somethn dnt make a profit, they dont give a fk about it or the land = BSE and feedin animals on the cheapst $hit they can get away with.

Many industries have died in this country, n I dont care if farming becomes one of em, n if economy suffers its ok wi me

[snifnscratch]

farmers should be culled, not badgers

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch then what would you eat? idiot!

[snifnscratch]

@philstew123 did farmers invent cows, sheep, pigs etc? no, so fuck off

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch yes, they did....

pigs were bread over thousands of years from wild boar, cows were bread over thousands of years form aurochs andsheep originated from a deer-like animal... so YES, to answer your question, farmers did indeed "invent" pigs, cows and sheep!

[snifnscratch]

@philstew123 so if it were not for farmers, we`d eat aurochs, wild boar and "dear like animal". Therefore, we dont need farmers, and because farmers harm the environment, I`d cull them

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch oh dear..... who would be there to manage the landscape in order to produce these animals in a hugh enough number for human consumption?

oh, and if youll do your research youll find that farmers are doing more than anybody to combat climate change through technical advancements, such as fuel efficiency, precision farming, grassland management, environment schemes...the list is endless.

explain how you would survive without farmers

[snifnscratch]

@philstew123 if a farmer cant make money out of something, or something will cost them money, they wont do it, so dont say that farmers do more for the environment.

As far as managing without farmers goes, animals reproduce without the aid of farmers, so farmers are redundant, and should be culled

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch look it up! farmers do more for the enviroment than anyone else! again, do your research before you continue to make a foolof yourself.

So you think we could all survive on prehistoric species with significantly lower birth rates, with no food or anyone to manage them or look after them? HAH ...oh dear you clearly are a bit dim...to say the least

[snifnscratch]

@philstew123 I`m open to all religions, except one (UK troops are currently fighting em) . Like the people who worship this religion, I dont consider the majority of farmers to be human beings, or be worthy of such status. A friend of mine was raised by her father who was a farmer, and she said he was a cold, cruel, miserly man, and she also said she disliked most farmers. She told me of an incident where her father, without emotion, drownd border collie pups. He was a typical farmer - not human

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch ok, so you think all farmers should be tarred with the same brush? Anyone could drown collie pups, if that just so happened to be a farmer then it shouldnt paint a bad picture of all farmers. yes there are bad farmers in the UK but the vast majority are excellent. Britain is praised for its animal wellfare standards worldwide!  If you have such a problem with farmers stop eating food produced by farmers! just out of interest, what do you work as?

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch ok, so you think all farmers should be tarred with the same brush? Anyone could drown collie pups, if that just so happened to be a farmer then it shouldnt paint a bad picture of all farmers. yes there are bad farmers in the UK but the vast majority are excellent. Britain is praised for its animal wellfare standards worldwide! If you have such a problem with farmers stop eating food produced by farmers! just out of interest, what do you work as?

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch You are actuall scum, if it wasnt for farmers you wouldnt be here. What do you work as, and how did you get so mentally retarded?

[snifnscratch]

@philstew123 "actuall" and "wellfare" are spelled with only one L, retard. If farmers care so much for their animals, why did they feed their cattle on MBM? 4.4million catle were slaughtered due to BSE (farmers complain about badgers!), n 166 people DIED from cjd. If 4.4m had BSE, the MAJORITY of farmers must have used MBM. There are some exceptions, but the majority of farmers feed their animals on the cheapest shit n provide the minimum care, all this just to make max profits with min effort.

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch A VERY SMALL minority of farmers have used feed derived from other animals. It was found to cause harm so it was stopped, lesson learned. I think youll find that in the EU there are certain health regulations that farmers hav to abide by and in britain we are praised world wide for the health of our animals nadthe quality of meat. Why would farmers feed animals cheap shit? they wouldnt grow the same....idiot. It would ruin people! you have no idea of what your takling about

[snifnscratch]

@philstew123 ....and minimum effort. I can imagine you also used MBM. Without LAWS forced upon them, farmers would treat animals despicably.

Your youtube replies show a lack of empathy for the 166 people + 4.4m slaughtered cattle, Part of what defines us as human is the ability to empathise, which you clearly lack, so I consider you inferior to most other humans.

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch why should farmers be blamed for mad cow disease when it wasnt farmers that invented the feed that caused it? fish meal - based products were widely used, however, 30 - 40 years ago. It was found through research back then that it was safe to use...much like the use of asbestos. Though i agree, i dont believe it should have been used.  Times have changed.

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch However, on the hundred years that my family has run our successful farm we have used only home grown barley, oats, turnips and grass silage, with the small addition of dark grains and natural mineral suppliments....much like the vast majority of the UK now. I can safely say that our animals are kept healthy and are happy. I fail to see how this makes me less human and i fail to see any point you are getting at. This has no link to badgers and TB and the need to controll them...

[snifnscratch]

@philstew123 Ask the families of people killed by CJD what they think of farmers....

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch again, how many people died from CJD? and how many farmers caused it? a very small minority! Do you think all motorists should be blamed when someone gets run over on the road? grow up!

[philstew123]

@snifnscratch your shockingly poor grasp on reality and fact are dumbfounding!

[snifnscratch]

@philstew123 @philstew123 According to DEFRA`s 2001 report entitled "Review of the origin of BSE",bse STARTED in Britain because farmers "....widely used..", from mid 70s to 80s, MBM when "...intensely farming..." cattle. If you claim brit farmers care most for their animals, then why did you feed them on MEAT? why did you INTENSELY FARM them? you just wanted to make the most money for the least expense....

[snifnscratch]

@snifnscratch you can find the DEFRA report at: defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanim­al/diseases/atoz/bse/publicati­ons/documents/bseorigin.pdf

[snifnscratch]

@snifnscratch the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines "widely" as: "to a great extent"

[simonzon]

The Government want people to accept the case for this cull.

The PM backed an illegal war based on false evidence (which he foolishly believed). His government is stuffed full of crooks & liars, including he, who fiddled scandalous expenses from the taxpayer. Their economic policies have been damned by financial experts, and they expect us to believe crime can be halved by cutting police. Do you trust their judgement?

And of course Cameron himself enjoys hunting and killing wild animals.

[emilytodd28]

The culling is not even proven to work.

[phoenixtilidie]

Okay so if it is going to cost the government too much to save our cattle then why not change the law so that farmers can do it themselves? In that case it costs only as much as a few shotgun shells.

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie because every time we see the incompetence of farmers fucks biodiversity to the brink of extinction. Farmers are merely PROFIT motivated. The country cannot trust these idiots to control populations when they care not for biodiversity. Not to mention it's the CATTLE INDUSTRY that's the problem, not the biodiversity that is already threatened. Moron.

[phoenixtilidie]

@hippydude89 Profit motivated? Let me ask you something. Would you rather have a food shortage in the coming years or have a few rodents die? If we don't deal with the threats to our food sources we WILL see a food shortage. As liberal and red as I am I would not risk the lives and the economy of our country to save a few fecking badgers. If we let these bastards run loose then we will end up having to import our food from countries who have the balls to do what needs to be done. Bye UK economy!

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie Hey moron, are you aware of the economic advantages of a country with NO livestock farming? If it was completely agricultural farming then we would have BETTER environment, BETTER land use, more EFFICIENT farming, NO huge water consumption, soil erosion, nitrate interferance, LESS fuel use and LESS methane from you cow industry. Your meat industry is harmful, NOT biodiversity. Why the fuck should I have sympathy for your industry when it causes so much harm.

[phoenixtilidie]

@hippydude89 You obviously have no life and no idea of what you are talking about. To address the first point: I have been a college all day studying, secondly I'm a farm hand. I know more about biodiversity than you can fit into your tiny little head. You über liber cunts are the ones who will force us into a food shortage one day. It isn't about food industry in the economy it's about keeping the country fed. I for one cannot live on chick peas and lentils so I am off for a steak. Fuck you!

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie I've just finished a university degree in physical geography and geology and specialised in bio hotspots. You're a dirty farmer, I have a degree specialising in biodiversity. I think I'm the one who comes across as having the most expertise on this subject, dear chum. Indeed, the country would live in a much more sustainable way from pure agricultural farming, dumbass. That's common knowledge. the only arguement for eating meat is YOU like the taste.

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie Your meat industry causes so many problems. Water consumption? "we want our meat. soil erosion? "we want our meat". pathogen spread? "we want our meat", deforestation? "we want our meat". Fuel consumption? "we want our meat". Methane/ co2 production? "we want our meat". Ridiculously large amounts of land used? "we want our meat". And now look, Wildlife catching diseases from cows and so we have to kill IMPORTANT biodiversity? "we want our meat". More and more problems from YOU.

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie And by the way a vegetarian/ vegan diet is much more healthy than yours. You can live a BETTER lifestyle from one, but you ENJOY EATING flesh. You have no argument to say you are right. All the problems your industry causes, and this badger cull is just another one added onto the endless list. I know how you guys hate "self righteous vegetarians" but when you act as moronically as you do, can you really blame us? We're right. You are wrong. As usual. reality has a vegetarian bias

[phoenixtilidie]

@hippydude89 Answer me this: Where do you get you fats and protein from? Without these you cannot call yours a healthy diet? Also you must admit the fact that without livestock you would have a weaker crop. Hence less veggies/fruit being produced and of course, no meat to supplement this would leave you struggling for food supply. And typical of an ignorant vegitarian you forget that farmers also produce THOSE goods as well. How does my "dirty farming" hands taste all over your fecking celery?

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie Soya contains more protein than meat you ignorant douche. fats from vegetables work exactly the same as fats from meat. You know nothing about a healthy diet obviously,and then you call ME ignorant. Livestock require LOADS of feed, you waste fuel, land space and time/ money by having to grow and grow and grow food to feed livestock, whereas a vegetarians is efficient and can use land to dierectly feed a population.Btw, I'd never buy food from you northern commies.

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie god I cannot stop laughing at "Answer me this: Where do you get you fats and protein from? Without these you cannot call yours a healthy diet? ".

You've just proven you know absolutely fuck all with that one. soya, pulses, nuts. Most of these contain more protein than meat and none of the harmful cholesterol. The only problem a vegetarian may encounter is b12 deficiency, but as my neighbours have many pet chickens and supply me with eggs it's not a problem.

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie Not to mention certain plant/ fungi sources can produce b12. and b12 can also be synthesized in a laboratory MORE EFFECTIVELY and EFFICIENTLY than it can be gained from meat. But of course, we all know how anti tech and backwards you farmers are. You don't respect my rights at all. You don't expect my right to liver in a clean environment, a stable economy or to live in a country that actually has enough land. If you did, you wouldn't indulge in your harmful industry.

[phoenixtilidie]

@hippydude89 Once again the town-folk bite the hand that feed, and sooner or later, you will find no hand to bite. You call us meat eaters intolerant and yet you are here insulting my way of life! I respect you right to choose not to eat meat. If you want to do it go right ahead but do not yap on about it and try to guilt trip the majority. Heres another question for you: How would you feel if all the cows, sheep, pigs and other livestock were extinct? Answer that and I will continue.

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie "town folk" I live in the new forest. You live in wigan. You're more of a town folk than me, dumbass. I'm insulting your way of life? BOOHOO I have listed ALL the problems your way of life causes and how it affects MY way of life I have every right to voice my opinion, and now your way of life is causing ANOTHER problem and demanding badger culling. So I'll be sorry for offending you when you are sorry for all the shit your harmful lifestyle causes.

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie It'd be better if you stopped breeding livestock, yes. The environmental degredation caused by your meat is harmful as fuck. I wouldn't care if MAN MADE UNNATURAL livestock species went extinct. Tehy only do more harm than good. You only do more harm than good. I'm not telling you to feel guilty. I'm not even saying don't eat meat. Just don't act like what you are doing is right, however, because all proof shows it is not.

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie Livestock farmers are worse than even the most disgusting profit motivated corporation. And you are part of it. You should feel sickened that your life contributes nothing but harm.

[philstew123]

@phoenixtilidie im fed up with these idiots that value the life of a pest species that contributes nothing good to the countries that they exist in, above the need to produce food.

[phoenixtilidie]

@philstew123 Finally somebody with some common sense.

[philstew123]

@phoenixtilidie thanks, i hope one day that people realise their lives depend on farmers. If every farmer went on strike or were gassed as some idiot (snifnscratch) has suggested there would only be enough food to last a few months!

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie I care more about biodiversity- something under extreme threat, than I care where YOUR next mcdonalds burger comes from. Thank you very much.

[hippydude89]

@phoenixtilidie Also I whooped your ass on another badger culling video, I am waiting for him to approve the comments so you can see me blow your world view completely out of the water.

[flashash2k9]

@phoenixtilidie there is no evidence that badger's do anything. firstly it was the cows that gave it to the badger's not visa versa. the badgers where hear first, they have a hell of a lot more rights than the most over-populated species ever!!!. i am a liberal. but you are just and arse to think that killing bagers is going to do anything. it is not the badgers it is the fact that the arsehole farmers who keep transferring the cattle. the fact is culling the badger, wont do a thing.

[phoenixtilidie]

@flashash2k9 See my other post. And add this fact: I have better things to do than argue with ignorant hippies all day. I know I am right, but you are so pig headed you will refuse to be proved wrong, hence the fact that this arguement can go on for decades and I am going to end it now and go shoot some badgers to prove my point.

Sayonara!

[flashash2k9]

@phoenixtilidie it isn't going to do anything. it is the fact that the farmers keep transferring the cattle. you are a complete arehole.

[Inletwatcher1965]

Badger, badger, badger

[smylsie]

mushroom, mushroom, snake!