lyric: The east is red, the sun rises! China has produced a Mao Zedong. He is a happiness for the people, Hurrah, He is the people's great savior! Chairman Mao loves the people. He is our guide In order to build a new China Hurrah, led us to move forward! Communist Party, like the sun, Wherever it shines, it is bright. Where it shines bright, Where has the Communist Party, Hurrah, where the people were liberated! (oh bummer~)
i just you tubed this because of a program i heard on dictators and how they either got hung shot torn apart put on trial or as per hitler stalin maotse tung banda and kim el jung...died peacefully in their beds...little possums,,,,this song was for maos funeral
i just you tubed this because of a program i heard on dictators and how they either got hung shot torn apart put on trial or as per hitler stalin maotse tung banda and kim el jung...died peacefully in their beds...little possums
Mao Zedong: killer of 70 million people by forced starvation and executions, and molester of young girls. A hero to a billion fools. Even today the Chinese communists worship this dead dog turd. The same regime is still in power today, but one day the people will finally make them accountable for their corruption, perversion and hypocrisy.
Thanks for posting. It takes me back to my radical youth. Now, however, I prefer probably what is not on YT--I'll check: Deng's famous quote about, more or less, what kind of economy is best: "What does it matter whether a cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice?" This was the comment that marked the beginning of China's rise to world-class-power status and will some day be considered one of the greatest statements ever made by a world leader!
Maybe when he started out all he might of wanted to do was help the people. But as time went on it is common knowledge that he lost his way. Some of his plan while they MIGHT have look good in theory or on paper just went practical. And the people suffered as a result. While he was the leader of a country and this does require some qualities these are not necessarily good moral qualities. And because of the amount of people that died under mao alot of people view him as a murderer and criminal.
first im not american lets get that much straight and my country has never had any thing to do with any of americas wars. Second your right america is anti communist 99% people know that. Third the proof of mao murdering is all there to read. His great leap forward which was a disaster for the people the purges in the cultural revolution the list goes on and on. Millions died under his rule its a fact. And he didn't care. He once said what is nuclear war 300 million dead so what
@xjxism You show a lack of understanding of the depth and contradiction of Mao Zedong. As a general rule when studying history its never as simple as Mao didn't care about people dying. Truthfully Mao had genuine aspirations of a utopia of shared wealth and happiness, he was a brilliant man in many ways. Not least he defeated the GMD, Detested by the regular Chinese and backed by the Americans. Mao was indeed a responsible for great good and perhaps greater evil, but don't over simplify it.
yeah, there are lots bad revisionism in our party, but this is communist party, capitalism may help chinese at this moment, but not for long. CCP must clean them. communist is good for most people
@xwy1234567 Why, how , when , where 刘少奇 died. Who killed 刘少奇 ? How about 彭德槐? Did McCathyism confine the freedom of speech. Does 刘曉波has the freedom of speech ? Does he has the right to blame the Communist Party ?
of course he has freedom of speech, In china everyone could freedom of speech, but you can't try to ubversion constitution, thats the reason why arrest liu xiaobo
@xwy1234567 Psychosis can't fully describe your sickness. I can say it is the China Chinese Syndrome. U China Chinese was educated under lie, the society is a lie, you are forced to trust lie. So, even you know they are not true, you dare not accept the fact. You force yourself to accept the lie as a truth. You wish the lie to become true. You also force the others to believe the lie as a truth. You dare not tell true anymore, u keep on telling lie to yourself, to everybody.
@mastmanageangelatsui lol American, you couldn't be more hypocritical, if you think the US is any better look up:
FEMA
HAARP
Depleted Uranium
Loads more. Basically your government kill innocent civilains and pillage their natural resources so you can buff your war machine and crippled economy.
@InsaneChicken123 The US government just kills the foreigners. Chairman Mao & the China Government like killing the Chinese, they dare not kill the foreigners . Both governments like killing people. Why does the Chinese likes to move to the US but no US people move to China ?
@mastmanageangelatsui because the US spends more money on propaganda perhaps? All those movies, TV shows, all fooling people into thinking that your Crime-ridden, Fat Jew Nigger Homeless nation is great.
Well your right but wrong. China suffered Capitalist reform from Deng Xia ping the tratior of great Mao Tse-Tung, but the fact of the matter is that Hu Junto is bringing Socialism back, and they started this with Market socialism. Sooner, rather than later, Communism will return in Chine.
@AtheismCentral I don't like the idea that Deng was a traitor, I think world politics are complicated and often require adjustments to the State, Deng's Socialist Market Economy is comparable in method to Lenin's New Economic Policy, and while I don't favor State Capitalism I think it's a mistake to dismiss it when it could be used temporarily for the health of the State. today China is the fastest growing economy, millions of workers have been lifted out of poverty because of Deng's policies.
@AtheismCentral Deng's contributions to revolutionary theory and practice are hard to ignore, his socialist market policy successfully carried China forward to the paramount position it occupies today. I'd certainly prefer a Chinese super-power to the West, and I'm sure you would too, we should consider Deng's many contributions to that effect. China must first take its rightful place as the leading world economic and military power, the State must be healthy to best serve the people.
@AtheismCentral I agree with that. I try to ignore the character of leaders, I give them the benefit of consequentialism and try to judge only how successful their policies were towards helping the majority of people. I think Deng was an opportunist politician and showed little due reverence towards Mao, but I respect him for preserving Chinese socialism, conquering the world market, and making China the fastest growing economy in the world. I'm confident that Maoism will soon return to China.
I support china too, but that doesn't mean they can't have a bad leader. I love the USSR (I use a present tense because it will return) but I don't like Khrushchev
@mastmanageangelatsui WHAT are you talking about? China has reformed, and China has expanded State Capitalism, but China is NOT a "super capitalist country now" and never will be. China will soon lead the way to a glorious socialist future for its people, and will stand as proof that the American plutocratic model is inferior both micro and macroeconomically to Maoism.
@truthslap The glorious China dare not challenge Philippines & Vietnam. So, it means that Philippines & Vietnam are stronger than the Glorious China ?
@mastmanageangelatsui who are you kidding? why would China need to challenge them, China simply put it's foot down regarding it's sovereign rights to the South China Sea. who do you suppose is going to win that stalemate? In response, Vietnam conducted a few days of angry naval drills and the Philippines changed the name to West Philippine Sea, while China simply carries on business as usual lol
@mastmanageangelatsui Because China resolves disputes through lawful negotiations, that's how they always settle land frontier disputes with their neighbors. Vietnam has already stated "Through fruitful and constructive discussions and dialogue, we have been able to arrive, at our level, at an agreement on the draft guidelines." China is not looking for a military confrontation, are you seriously implying they'd be afraid to engage Vietnam and the Philippines?
@truthslap According to their history, they say they are the owners. They are getting more & more island everyday & sucking oil everyday. So, does it mean that China has to respect to their lawful status & keeps on retreating ? How is the difference between China & 清庭 ?
super liar, do your have evidence that mao kill millions? i can only saw he let population of chinese increase times.
US government is an ev evil anti-communist lying government.
the truth is your government kill millions indian, slave millions black and nuke millions japanese kids and women
and now they are American's good buddy?dont forget Saddam and bin Laden used to be US's good buddy too. Chinese never do that or tell lie about other nation
The East is NOT red. Communism was forcibly imposed on China at gunpoint by Maoist terrorists FUNDED BY SOVIET IMPERIALISTS. Communism was forcibly imposed on North Korea by the Red Army occupation at the end of ww2. Communism was forcibly imposed on Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos through MILITARY COUPs
Once again, instead of engaging in a rational debate, instead of citing evidence or sources, instead of making a logical argument, a Communist resorts to profanity and personal insults. Obviously if I disagree with you I must be a "whore" and obviously if I question the CCP's official version of events I am an "imperialist"...
my statements are based on historical fact, i have done extensive research on this topic, would you care to have an adult conversation about something we respectfully disagree on? Or would you rather spew hateful juvenile insults? if you choose the first option, i'd be more than happy to cite my sources, explain my views and respond to your counterpoints. but if you choose the second option, this conversation is over.
Are you denying that Mao Tse-Tung received extensive funding and arms shipments from the Soviet Union, and that Kim Il Sung was installed by the Red Army occupation following ww2? Are you denying the role of Soviet imperialism in imposing Communism on east asia?
you know before 1945 the Korean Workers' party actually had more support and a higher membership in what is now South Korea, than in the North? You're aware that before 1945, Pyongyang was known as the "Jerusalem of the East" because of its high population of Christians? You know Kim Il Sung spent ww2 in Russia?
A great nation built upon; the denial of human rights, lack of democracy, environmental degredation, oppression of ethnic minorites, oppression of the farming and labouring classes. China doesn't even fallow the teachings of Marx and Engels, nor does it follow the ideals as expressed in the Communist Manifesto. Workers of China arise, all you have to lose are your chains which bind you!!
mao did some bad things, but mainly good things, and without him, the china today would not be around and America would still be in charge, china now rivals them....
@christianmetalgear I think if you actually review the policies from 55 - 75, they pretty much led the country to ruin -- 1 of the many consequences being the largest famine in human history, which could have been completely avoided. The Soviets were equally as critical of his outlandish and counterproductive agrarian and heavy industry production schemes as the West. I am not saying that a planned society couldn't have been great - I'm just saying his particular plans were horrendous!
led the country to ruin? Really? Like implementing policies which saw the most dramatic increase in life expectancy in history? Incredible increases in literacy?
Mao (at least in the political realm) saved more lives than any other person in history.
Mao indeed made some terrible mistakes but he's responsible for China's incredible rise (along with Deng Xiaoping of course). Thanks to Mao, China's literacy rate increased, it's technological advancement were tremendous (satellite launch and creation of nuclear weapons), and finally,he gave China the prestige that it lacked under the rule of the Kuomintang. Mao was also a genius when it came to warfare and to this day, he's still the most influential (the civil war in Nepal)
Yes, I am a "Chairman Mao fanboy" because it's fact, if it weren't for Mao, the racist Western countries would still bully China. Thanks to Mao, China is strong and NOBODY wants to fuck with China. Mao laid the foundation for China's rise in the world today
@christianmetalgear Grouping Mao & Deng together is like pairing black with white, Johnson with Reagan, oil with vinegar. Mao & like dictators who propped up their own exploitative, ruthless, power hungry regimes under the name of the common welfare or the "mass line" should not be exonerated. I am a Democratic Socialist, & it's because of these corrupt and often deranged ideologues that Socialism is today interpreted in such a narrow, caricature-like fashion in the West.
A translation at least in part (derived from my memory of the Chinese lyrics of Dong Fang Hong The East is Red The Sun is Rising China has brought forth a Mao Zedong He plans for the people's happiness Hu er hei yao He is our leader and guide. Mao Zedong is like the sun Wherever He shines, there is light Hu Er Hei Yao Wherever there is a Communist Party There the people find liberation. (sung by milions but NOT, of course, the dead millions of Mao's victims.
Mao did not stop other countries from oppressing China. He was the worst oppressor and used the Japanese invasion to build his power. Stupid Japanese.
@kashga11 President Obama assigned a committee to translate the song into English. Like all government workers, they are in no hurry. They expect to finish the job in 2754 A.D.
Mao did not unite China, nor did he turn it into a superpower. His stupid and selfish policies destroyed temples, ancient books, beautiful Chinese antiques and 30 million Chinese people. China would have been much stronger under someone like Chou En-lai who was not a nut case like Mao. Mao dragged China down for over a generation and caused enormous suffering for the Chinese people. Wake up to the truth!
@proudcrusader Wake up you stupid fucker! Where are your facts? How about you stop preaching from your pathetic corner of imbecility and try getting a life? You go drag yourself to hell you fucking reactionary pig!
Anyone who watched the Beijing Olympics opening ceremonies has to admit that National Socialism is a tremendously effective and successful form of government.
@DancingTillIDie National Socialism is different from the revolutionary proletarian Communism of Chairman Mao Zedong. The current power clique in China are not socialists but traitors! Chairman Mao stressed that over material progress it is the the people who are important. That's why he put premium on class struggle and to revolutionize class relations. China may be a wealthy nation now but the gap bet. rich and poor have gotten worse since the dismantlement of socialism under Teng Hsiaoping.
@DancingTillIDie National Socialism is different from the revolutionary proletarian Communism of Chairman Mao Zedong. The current power clique in China are not socialists but traitors! Chairman Mao stressed that over material progress it is the the people who are important. That's why he put premium on class struggle and to revolutionize class relations. China may be a wealthy nation now but the gap bet. rich and poor have gotten worse since the dismantlement of socialism under Teng Hsiaoping.
Middle School enrollment rose from 9 million to 67 million. Women were freed from patriarchal and feudalistic shackles. Prostitution was forbidden and declined, a phenomenon that was to return after Deng Xiaoping and post-Maoist CCP leaders increased liberalization of the economy. China regained her dignity as a nation and ended its Centuries of Humiliation from Western Imperialism.
By 1956, Mao had united China, created an awesome rate of growth, restructured the education system and improved living standards.. peasant incomes rose, worker incomes rose, the percent of children in primary school doubled. Life expectancy, the best indicator of a country’s health, jumped from 36 to 57 years. By the mid-1950s, Mao could have looked around at everything he had done and said it was good. Instead, he became a Maoist.
In January 1953, Mao announced a 5 year plan for building the economy. Like similar plans in the Soviet Union, the Chinese plan emphasized heavy industry, steel, cement, chemical, and machine tools, and electric power… It worked! During its first 5 year plan, China’s industrial production grew at a rate of almost 18% a year. This was a huge, almost unheard of increase. In 5 years, China’s industry doubled. Those who think that the Chinese economy languished under Mao are dead wrong.
You're preaching to the choir, my friend. I'm well aware of how Mao with the CCP turned China around from one of the most backwards countries in the world to a rising superpower. My whole point is, that these achievements do not overshadow the political and economic tumult (especially the Great Leap Forward) and the failed communal farming.
@ivanenrile Of course that is not to say that the GLP didn't have its fair share of shortcomings. But they were done in the context of revolution and not for some selfish, bourgeois capitalist interest for power and profit. And the Chinese people knew and appreciated this.
@RudeDan The Great Leap Forward, the second five-year plan of the Chinese revolution, was an attempt to develop rapidly both industry and agriculture. This was the period during which the communes were formed and some 600,000 “backyard,” small-scale steel furnaces were built to supply local needs all over the country. This was also the era of massive irrigation projects — local, regional, and national in scope — that were to result in impressive gains in crop yields in subsequent years.
@RudeDan The GLP didn't just revolutionize Chinese economy but it also deconstructed the traditional binaries of party and the maasses, leaders and followers, intellectuals and workers.
@RudeDan Farmers who were at the bottom of Chinese society acquired a sense of importance and empowerment when government officials, professors, and college students were working side by side with them. Mao and other national leaders worked on the Shisanling Reservoir on May 25, 1958, giving rise to waves of government officials participating in this kind of activity.
@RudeDan On October 11, 1959, 12,000 college and high school students and professors from Qingdao City came to Jimo to help with fall harvesting and planting. In September 1960, 28,000 students and teachers from Qingdao City came to Jimo to help with harvesting and planting. [Dongpin Han, The Unknown Cultural Revolution (2008)]
I wonder if arrogant petty-bourgeois like you would even consider going to the countrysides to help peasants in farm work, manual labor and all.
@RudeDan "While we can fault the county leaders’ management, we cannot fault their intentions. There was a general consensus among local government leaders, local community leaders, and ordinary farmers that enhanced irrigation was needed in order to improve crop yields. Therefore, most farmers saw the connections between these irrigation projects and a better life for themselves in the near future.
@RudeDan "Even though they went through a great deal of hardship in constructing these projects at the time, farmers said they could not deny the fact that the purpose was to make their lives better in the future. This contrasts sharply with farmers’ attitudes toward many massive projects from earlier eras, such as when they were drafted to build palaces for the elite." -- Dongpin Han, The Unknown Cultural Revolution (2008)
Mao was a disaster for China and the Chinese people. He did not make China Stand Up, he pulled it down. The so called imperialists were long gone. USA and others had defeated Japan and many Americans died flying from Burma to China bringing food, etc. Many, many more Chinese were killed by Mao's policies than by anyone else, including the Japanese. China lost one full generation of people and was backward all that time, people in fear for their lives.
@proudcrusader Hey if you hate Mao then stop watching this video. Don't you have any other better things to do than troll here in youtube? How about finding work?
@proudcrusader You are free to imagine these so-called "crimes" of Mao. You are not alone. The bourgeois academicians and the CIA are in league with you in this effort. Didn't it occur to you that we are very much aware of these trumped up charges and falsifications against Mao! Hey, we've already heard those! Try again!
Mao did not stop any oppression; he is the one who used that excuse to oppress the Chinese people. He was monster! Mao's policies kill far more Chinese than Japanese aggression did. Many Chinese temples and manuscripts and antiques were destroyed because of this idiot.
Mao was a good revolutionary strategist, but not a good leader. The Great Leap's, the Cultural Revolution's intentions weren't completely malicious, but had much more disastrous effects than Mao could have foreseen. I'm not saying Mao wasn't a power-hungry megalomaniac, but I think monster is a little strong. He and the party had the task of lifting the largest population in the world out of poverty under new social relations.
@RudeDan actually mao himself had very little power for most of his reign. sometime in the early 60's he got severely ill and from then on had very limited roles in government. from that point on he mostly was only head of state in name, while his wife jiang qing manipulated the power and started her crazy scheme which is what led her to being sent to life imprisonment after mao's death.
Mao was still responsible for the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, the disastrous communes and backyard steel blast furnaces, and let's not forget his manipulation of the masses for his own power during the Cultural Revolution and accusing other leaders, like Deng, of taking "the capitalist road."
@RudeDan well capitalism does such so i don't see anything wrong with that. and if you really want to see manipulation, try your own media. your own government has killed so many of its own people that you would almost be hypocritical to say anything of any foreign manipulator. the soviet way of manipulating is they say they are there for the poor, the capitalists claim they are democratic.
This is a strawman, it doesn't have anything to do with Mao; I haven't made any claims to support capitalism. I know corporate media and the US government manipulate people, and I know the system of capitalism exploits our surplus labor, but that doesn't mean I need to support dictators and corrupt government just because they are leftist.
@RudeDan when you talk the way you do, you are being a rightist. someone who doesn't support a certain system doesn't necessarily make them right or left.
@RudeDan hmmmm let's see here. you accuse me of leftism for defending mao, and rightists are generally the most critical, so yea, you are definetely a rightist. and don't get started with mao zedong with me, i could sit here and name thousands of genocides the americans have costed, and unlike mao's, the americans did it deliberately. does the einsenhower death camps sound familiar to you?
No, to defend Mao, you just point a finger at the West. This doesn't really do anything to defend Mao. It's like if I murdered someone and said it was okay because the guy down the street murdered someone too. Mao attacked political opponents, so he was at the very least, irresponsible.
also, I've never heard of Eisenhower death camps, care to elaborate?
@RudeDan the eisenhower death camps occurred after ww2 where eisenhower intentionally took millions of german prisoners and stuffed them into hundreds of camps across the rhine and provided no food or shelter. he intentionally killed 1.7 million in the first months. patton was assassinated for trying to report this to the world. (read it up if you don't believe me, don't take my word for it.) the allies had their own german camps until 1954. they even almost launched the morgenthau plan.
I just read up on it, and I can't find a single scholarly source that promotes these claims. A couple poorly put-together website, but nothing from a serious scholar.
If you want to criticize the allies during World War 2, try the fire bombings of European cities, you don't have to search for shady conspiracy theories.
@RudeDan such a shame that there is books about it also. one being the book "other losses" written by a journalist who interviewed german prisoners and allied guards that were present. but i'm sure you will just call it a conspiracy theory since it goes against the allied views of ww2 right?
@RudeDan What a moron! All along I thought you were some scholar snob. Hey why don't you raise hell and prosecute imperialist George Bush for killing innocent civilians? Abu Grahib? Guantanamo? Iraq? Afghanistan? And how many years did Dubya spend in office?
For a youtube conversation, I'm not going to go to the library to look up conspiracies. I have read extensively on Mao and China (from actual scholarly sources) so... chill.
What does GWB have to do with this? I agree with you, the US is an imperialist power and GWB has innocent blood on his hands, but how on Earth does that justify Mao's mismanagement and megalomania?
Stop giving the Left a bad name. We want people to see us as reasonable people, not blind ideologues.
@RudeDan Could you please cite the "scholarly background" of your sources like their credentials etc? I won't be shocked to know if Trotsky was one of your "scholarly informants" for your rabid and hysterical attacks against Mao.
I'm not a blind ideologue. So are Althusser, Badiou, Zizek, Marcuse, Korsch, etc. who all uphold Mao as a great Marxist. On the contrary you r the one who is blinded with the anti-Mao poison fed to you by bourgeois academicians, media, fake leftists, and the CIA
LOL, my rabid and hysterical attacks... I would say I've been pretty calm, but sources: China Against the Tides by Marc Blecher, Shenfan by William Hinton, Micropolitics in Contemporary China by Gordon White and Marc Blecher. I don't know why pointing out Mao's faults makes me anti-Mao. You are a ideologue because you can't recognize his faults and only trumpet his achievements. History isn't so black and white.
@RudeDan If you had read Hinton, then you would have known that the achievements of Mao far outweigh his so-called shortcomings. Or maybe you are dyslexic.
No need to insult each other, but having read Hinton I prefer to look at the achievements of the revolution as a whole, and while Mao did achieve some great things for China, his abuses of power and mismanagement are far more serious than "shortcomings."
Backyard steel furnaces, impossible to meet agricultural quotas, and irresponsibly run communes....
@RudeDan The Cultural Revolution was a shining beacon that contributed to the further development of Marxism-Leninism. You see RudeDan, the matrix of Marxism isn't essentialist calls for "unity" but rather CLASS STRUGGLE. I understand that you being a pea-brained reactionary pig cannot comprehend this.
@RudeDan China under Mao accomplished what the U.S. has never done. It established a system of universal health care. Health services were provided free or at low cost, and the health system was guided by the principles of cooperation and egalitarianism. Maoist China integrated Western and traditional medicine. Some 1.3 million peasants were trained as health care providers ("barefoot doctors") to meet basic health needs in the countryside.
@RudeDan "Ideologue"? Define the term "ideologue." As far as Louis Althusser, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Zizek and all the rest of high-theory, postmodernist thinkers are concerned, all people and all discourses are ideological even those claiming to be scientific. You are not an exception dear. Don't consider yourself too special
@RudeDan "Ideologue"? Define the term "ideologue." As far as Louis Althusser, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Zizek and all the rest of high-theory, postmodernist thinkers are concerned, all people and all discourses are ideological even those claiming to be scientific. You are not an exception dear. Don't consider yourself too special
@RudeDan "Ideologue"? Define the term "ideologue." As far as Louis Althusser, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Zizek and all the rest of high-theory, postmodernist thinkers are concerned, all people and all discourses are ideological even those claiming to be scientific. You are not an exception dear. Don't consider yourself too special
@RudeDan "Ideologue"? Define the term "ideologue." As far as Louis Althusser, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Zizek and all the rest of high-theory, postmodernist thinkers are concerned, all people and all discourses are ideological even those claiming to be scientific. You are not an exception dear. Don't consider yourself too special
@RudeDan "Ideologue"? Define the term "ideologue." As far as Louis Althusser, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Zizek and all the rest of high-theory, postmodernist thinkers are concerned, all people and all discourses are ideological even those claiming to be scientific. You are not an exception dear. Don't consider yourself too special
When did Churchill come into this? Jesus, make an argument without making assumptions about my beliefs, Churchill was an imperialist pig, but that doesn't excuse Mao's irresponsibility that cost millions of lives.
@RudeDan Because Teng Hsiaoping and Hua Guofeng are really capitlaist railroaders. Can't you see the consequences of their regime manifesting in China right now?
@proudcrusader You forgot to include the Nationalists how many did they kill when they attacked their own people instead of the Japanese?
Temples and manuscripts are not people, how many millions might have been saved by Mao coming to power? after all he drove out the real exploiters the Imperialist who had fed on the blood and the marrow of people for many many years.
Eh, everyone's done bad stuff and good stuff. Even though Mao is to blame for such things as the Cultural Revolution, he at least can be credited for stopping other countries from oppressing China.
@TheEclecticMonster Sure, colonial powers didn't oppress China - Mao did. Compare the bodycount from various colonial conflicts like the Opium wars (about 50k Qing dead) to the Great Leap Forward (about 14 million).
@draug2009 That is an unbelievable thing to say Imperialism sounds like some kind of Missonary service tending the needy the way you write it here. Western powers treated China like their own personal whore.
@TheEclecticMonster Thats true, he gave people much more, a way to free themselves from Imperialism, forget Jesus, or many others Mao zedong was a true visionary and a developer of a modern way Revolution.
@TheEclecticMonster I would contend that Mao is not responsible for problems in the Cultural Revolution where most blame should be going to Liu Shaoqi. Mao supported the 'rebel' faction, and asked for public humiliation only, no physical attacks. He also promoted preservation of historical areas. I can link you to some literature if you wish to see for yourself. Liu Shaoqi's Red Guard faction is responsible for much of the problems caused in the CR. CR is conceptually sound, but was done poorly.
did he ever thought about getting rid of the mole on his chin?
CrypticWatcher 4 days ago
cavecapx 1 week ago
LONG LIVE MAO TSE-TUNG
GagarinCCCP 1 month ago
You don't have to agree with Mao. This song is historically important and it should be available to people.
recurse 1 month ago
"the greatest revolutionary of our time".
basedball1951 1 month ago
@ComradeMing So, Mao is a true killer.
mastmanageangelatsui 3 months ago
shit song really..o well...long time ago now....what a lot of people died for nothing
couthyband 3 months ago
i just you tubed this because of a program i heard on dictators and how they either got hung shot torn apart put on trial or as per hitler stalin maotse tung banda and kim el jung...died peacefully in their beds...little possums,,,,this song was for maos funeral
couthyband 3 months ago
i just you tubed this because of a program i heard on dictators and how they either got hung shot torn apart put on trial or as per hitler stalin maotse tung banda and kim el jung...died peacefully in their beds...little possums
couthyband 3 months ago
Mao Zedong: killer of 70 million people by forced starvation and executions, and molester of young girls. A hero to a billion fools. Even today the Chinese communists worship this dead dog turd. The same regime is still in power today, but one day the people will finally make them accountable for their corruption, perversion and hypocrisy.
creativeengineer 6 months ago
Thanks for posting. It takes me back to my radical youth. Now, however, I prefer probably what is not on YT--I'll check: Deng's famous quote about, more or less, what kind of economy is best: "What does it matter whether a cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice?" This was the comment that marked the beginning of China's rise to world-class-power status and will some day be considered one of the greatest statements ever made by a world leader!
zardoz248 6 months ago
chairman mao,nice
daveduvw 7 months ago
Maybe when he started out all he might of wanted to do was help the people. But as time went on it is common knowledge that he lost his way. Some of his plan while they MIGHT have look good in theory or on paper just went practical. And the people suffered as a result. While he was the leader of a country and this does require some qualities these are not necessarily good moral qualities. And because of the amount of people that died under mao alot of people view him as a murderer and criminal.
xjxism 7 months ago
first im not american lets get that much straight and my country has never had any thing to do with any of americas wars. Second your right america is anti communist 99% people know that. Third the proof of mao murdering is all there to read. His great leap forward which was a disaster for the people the purges in the cultural revolution the list goes on and on. Millions died under his rule its a fact. And he didn't care. He once said what is nuclear war 300 million dead so what
xjxism 7 months ago
@xjxism You show a lack of understanding of the depth and contradiction of Mao Zedong. As a general rule when studying history its never as simple as Mao didn't care about people dying. Truthfully Mao had genuine aspirations of a utopia of shared wealth and happiness, he was a brilliant man in many ways. Not least he defeated the GMD, Detested by the regular Chinese and backed by the Americans. Mao was indeed a responsible for great good and perhaps greater evil, but don't over simplify it.
ClearlyDamnDecent 7 months ago
Mao just killed the Chinese, he didn't hurt the other countries.
mastmanageangelatsui 8 months ago 8
@mastmanageangelatsui
mao killed chinese capitalist, landlord,old government official.
every revolution have to kill someone, if Mao dont kill them, other will do, that's people want.
Mao is still great leader for chinese
xwy1234567 8 months ago
@xwy1234567 Do u know how many capitalists, landlords & the corrupted government officers in China now?
mastmanageangelatsui 8 months ago 2
@mastmanageangelatsui
yeah, there are lots bad revisionism in our party, but this is communist party, capitalism may help chinese at this moment, but not for long. CCP must clean them. communist is good for most people
xwy1234567 8 months ago
@xwy1234567 Why 刘曉波in jail?
mastmanageangelatsui 8 months ago 2
@mastmanageangelatsui
liu xiaobo is a very stupid man, he convene hundreds people try to ubversion constitution, everybody know he is joke.
Why united states has chinese exclusion act and McCarthyism?
xwy1234567 8 months ago
@xwy1234567 Why, how , when , where 刘少奇 died. Who killed 刘少奇 ? How about 彭德槐?
mastmanageangelatsui 8 months ago
@xwy1234567 Why, how , when , where 刘少奇 died. Who killed 刘少奇 ? How about 彭德槐? Did McCathyism confine the freedom of speech. Does 刘曉波has the freedom of speech ? Does he has the right to blame the Communist Party ?
mastmanageangelatsui 8 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui
of course he has freedom of speech, In china everyone could freedom of speech, but you can't try to ubversion constitution, thats the reason why arrest liu xiaobo
xwy1234567 8 months ago
@xwy1234567 So, the CCP can kill anybody & everybody has to support to the CCP.党中央杀人万岁,毛泽东杀刘少奇,杀彭德櫰,杀马寅初..杀..杀..杀..万岁
mastmanageangelatsui 8 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui
psychosis
xwy1234567 8 months ago
@xwy1234567 Psychosis can't fully describe your sickness. I can say it is the China Chinese Syndrome. U China Chinese was educated under lie, the society is a lie, you are forced to trust lie. So, even you know they are not true, you dare not accept the fact. You force yourself to accept the lie as a truth. You wish the lie to become true. You also force the others to believe the lie as a truth. You dare not tell true anymore, u keep on telling lie to yourself, to everybody.
mastmanageangelatsui 8 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui lol American, you couldn't be more hypocritical, if you think the US is any better look up:
FEMA
HAARP
Depleted Uranium
Loads more. Basically your government kill innocent civilains and pillage their natural resources so you can buff your war machine and crippled economy.
InsaneChicken123 8 months ago
@InsaneChicken123 The US government just kills the foreigners. Chairman Mao & the China Government like killing the Chinese, they dare not kill the foreigners . Both governments like killing people. Why does the Chinese likes to move to the US but no US people move to China ?
mastmanageangelatsui 8 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui because the US spends more money on propaganda perhaps? All those movies, TV shows, all fooling people into thinking that your Crime-ridden, Fat Jew Nigger Homeless nation is great.
InsaneChicken123 8 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui
I LOVE COMMUNISM, I LOVE CCP,whatever u say, we will kick Americans' ass, and liberate the Indians.
xwy1234567 8 months ago
@xwy1234567 But China is a super capitalism country now.
mastmanageangelatsui 8 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui
Well your right but wrong. China suffered Capitalist reform from Deng Xia ping the tratior of great Mao Tse-Tung, but the fact of the matter is that Hu Junto is bringing Socialism back, and they started this with Market socialism. Sooner, rather than later, Communism will return in Chine.
AtheismCentral 6 months ago
@AtheismCentral I don't like the idea that Deng was a traitor, I think world politics are complicated and often require adjustments to the State, Deng's Socialist Market Economy is comparable in method to Lenin's New Economic Policy, and while I don't favor State Capitalism I think it's a mistake to dismiss it when it could be used temporarily for the health of the State. today China is the fastest growing economy, millions of workers have been lifted out of poverty because of Deng's policies.
truthslap 6 months ago
@truthslap
Huh? Deng was a cunt mate, Mao's big mistake was not killing him.
AtheismCentral 6 months ago
@AtheismCentral Deng's contributions to revolutionary theory and practice are hard to ignore, his socialist market policy successfully carried China forward to the paramount position it occupies today. I'd certainly prefer a Chinese super-power to the West, and I'm sure you would too, we should consider Deng's many contributions to that effect. China must first take its rightful place as the leading world economic and military power, the State must be healthy to best serve the people.
truthslap 6 months ago
@truthslap
Sure but Deng screwed over Mao Tse-Tung, and then he reformed the country. He wasn't a good guy.
AtheismCentral 6 months ago
@AtheismCentral I agree with that. I try to ignore the character of leaders, I give them the benefit of consequentialism and try to judge only how successful their policies were towards helping the majority of people. I think Deng was an opportunist politician and showed little due reverence towards Mao, but I respect him for preserving Chinese socialism, conquering the world market, and making China the fastest growing economy in the world. I'm confident that Maoism will soon return to China.
truthslap 6 months ago
@truthslap
I support china too, but that doesn't mean they can't have a bad leader. I love the USSR (I use a present tense because it will return) but I don't like Khrushchev
AtheismCentral 6 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui WHAT are you talking about? China has reformed, and China has expanded State Capitalism, but China is NOT a "super capitalist country now" and never will be. China will soon lead the way to a glorious socialist future for its people, and will stand as proof that the American plutocratic model is inferior both micro and macroeconomically to Maoism.
truthslap 6 months ago
@truthslap The glorious China dare not challenge Philippines & Vietnam. So, it means that Philippines & Vietnam are stronger than the Glorious China ?
mastmanageangelatsui 6 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui who are you kidding? why would China need to challenge them, China simply put it's foot down regarding it's sovereign rights to the South China Sea. who do you suppose is going to win that stalemate? In response, Vietnam conducted a few days of angry naval drills and the Philippines changed the name to West Philippine Sea, while China simply carries on business as usual lol
truthslap 6 months ago
@truthslap Why doesn't China regain the island there ? The both countries are conquering there & Vietnam is sucking oil there now .
mastmanageangelatsui 6 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui Because China resolves disputes through lawful negotiations, that's how they always settle land frontier disputes with their neighbors. Vietnam has already stated "Through fruitful and constructive discussions and dialogue, we have been able to arrive, at our level, at an agreement on the draft guidelines." China is not looking for a military confrontation, are you seriously implying they'd be afraid to engage Vietnam and the Philippines?
truthslap 6 months ago
@truthslap According to their history, they say they are the owners. They are getting more & more island everyday & sucking oil everyday. So, does it mean that China has to respect to their lawful status & keeps on retreating ? How is the difference between China & 清庭 ?
mastmanageangelatsui 6 months ago
@xwy1234567 liberate the indians they want nothing to do with you and you support mao under who tens of millions were murdered. he was a monster.
xjxism 8 months ago
@xjxism
super liar, do your have evidence that mao kill millions? i can only saw he let population of chinese increase times.
US government is an ev evil anti-communist lying government.
the truth is your government kill millions indian, slave millions black and nuke millions japanese kids and women
and now they are American's good buddy?dont forget Saddam and bin Laden used to be US's good buddy too. Chinese never do that or tell lie about other nation
Washington is more like a monster.
xwy1234567 7 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui
BULL
AtheismCentral 5 months ago
@AtheismCentral Mao is bull shit.
mastmanageangelatsui 5 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui Tibet.
AmersfoortTristan 3 months ago
@AmersfoortTristan Xin Jiang too.
mastmanageangelatsui 3 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui I forgot that one.. sorry :)
AmersfoortTristan 3 months ago
@mastmanageangelatsui That doesn't make him any less of a monster.
Horrorlord1 1 month ago
The East is NOT red. Communism was forcibly imposed on China at gunpoint by Maoist terrorists FUNDED BY SOVIET IMPERIALISTS. Communism was forcibly imposed on North Korea by the Red Army occupation at the end of ww2. Communism was forcibly imposed on Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos through MILITARY COUPs
TheTollundWoman 9 months ago
@TheTollundWoman
You don't know shit about that history you fucking imperialist whore.
DjKimKra 9 months ago
@DjKimKra
Once again, instead of engaging in a rational debate, instead of citing evidence or sources, instead of making a logical argument, a Communist resorts to profanity and personal insults. Obviously if I disagree with you I must be a "whore" and obviously if I question the CCP's official version of events I am an "imperialist"...
TheTollundWoman 9 months ago
@DjKimKra
my statements are based on historical fact, i have done extensive research on this topic, would you care to have an adult conversation about something we respectfully disagree on? Or would you rather spew hateful juvenile insults? if you choose the first option, i'd be more than happy to cite my sources, explain my views and respond to your counterpoints. but if you choose the second option, this conversation is over.
TheTollundWoman 9 months ago
@DjKimKra
Are you denying that Mao Tse-Tung received extensive funding and arms shipments from the Soviet Union, and that Kim Il Sung was installed by the Red Army occupation following ww2? Are you denying the role of Soviet imperialism in imposing Communism on east asia?
TheTollundWoman 9 months ago
@DjKimKra
you know before 1945 the Korean Workers' party actually had more support and a higher membership in what is now South Korea, than in the North? You're aware that before 1945, Pyongyang was known as the "Jerusalem of the East" because of its high population of Christians? You know Kim Il Sung spent ww2 in Russia?
TheTollundWoman 9 months ago
Great. I had the East is Red, but it was hard finding it. Good to hear it again.
kashgar22 9 months ago
Long live Maoism Third-worldism!
stureremil1942 9 months ago 2
@stureremil1942
Red salute, comrade! Maoism Third Worldism is the fourth and highest stage of revolutionary science. Long live the Leading Lights!
BattousaiOfChaos 9 months ago
@BattousaiOfChaos
Maoism is not "science", it is MASS MURDER
Down with the CCP, Down with the KWP, long live freedom and democracy. Remember the June 4th massacre!
TheTollundWoman 9 months ago
anybody has the chinese lyrics?
mysticmansion555 10 months ago
A great nation built upon; the denial of human rights, lack of democracy, environmental degredation, oppression of ethnic minorites, oppression of the farming and labouring classes. China doesn't even fallow the teachings of Marx and Engels, nor does it follow the ideals as expressed in the Communist Manifesto. Workers of China arise, all you have to lose are your chains which bind you!!
southenglish 10 months ago
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Cheatmaster22 11 months ago
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Cheatmaster22 11 months ago
"Only Nixon could go to China." Vulcan Proverb....
Dale
vonmazur1 1 year ago
mao did some bad things, but mainly good things, and without him, the china today would not be around and America would still be in charge, china now rivals them....
christianmetalgear 1 year ago
@christianmetalgear I think if you actually review the policies from 55 - 75, they pretty much led the country to ruin -- 1 of the many consequences being the largest famine in human history, which could have been completely avoided. The Soviets were equally as critical of his outlandish and counterproductive agrarian and heavy industry production schemes as the West. I am not saying that a planned society couldn't have been great - I'm just saying his particular plans were horrendous!
musicalidea 1 year ago
led the country to ruin? Really? Like implementing policies which saw the most dramatic increase in life expectancy in history? Incredible increases in literacy?
Mao (at least in the political realm) saved more lives than any other person in history.
RiseOfAsia 1 year ago
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finecool1 1 year ago
@musicalidea
Mao indeed made some terrible mistakes but he's responsible for China's incredible rise (along with Deng Xiaoping of course). Thanks to Mao, China's literacy rate increased, it's technological advancement were tremendous (satellite launch and creation of nuclear weapons), and finally,he gave China the prestige that it lacked under the rule of the Kuomintang. Mao was also a genius when it came to warfare and to this day, he's still the most influential (the civil war in Nepal)
finecool1 1 year ago
@finecool1 Wow Chairman Mao fanboy much?
julienster 11 months ago
@julienster
Yes, I am a "Chairman Mao fanboy" because it's fact, if it weren't for Mao, the racist Western countries would still bully China. Thanks to Mao, China is strong and NOBODY wants to fuck with China. Mao laid the foundation for China's rise in the world today
finecool1 4 months ago
@finecool1 nice late reaction
julienster 4 months ago
@julienster
I just noticed your comment like 7 months later because I got a lot of comments apparently
finecool1 4 months ago
@christianmetalgear Grouping Mao & Deng together is like pairing black with white, Johnson with Reagan, oil with vinegar. Mao & like dictators who propped up their own exploitative, ruthless, power hungry regimes under the name of the common welfare or the "mass line" should not be exonerated. I am a Democratic Socialist, & it's because of these corrupt and often deranged ideologues that Socialism is today interpreted in such a narrow, caricature-like fashion in the West.
musicalidea 1 year ago
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cameronr1997 1 year ago
Mao was China's worst enemy.
whately47 1 year ago
Mao did not stop other countries from oppressing China. He was the worst oppressor and used the Japanese invasion to build his power. Stupid Japanese.
proudcrusader 1 year ago
Fuck CCP.
dieryanweisuonan 1 year ago
@dieryanweisuonan Fuck USA
InsaneChicken123 1 year ago
Isn't this the new national anthem for the U.S.A.?
KevinByrne2 1 year ago
@KevinByrne2 pretty sure it isn't. i mean, why would it be in chinese?
kashga11 1 year ago
@kashga11 President Obama assigned a committee to translate the song into English. Like all government workers, they are in no hurry. They expect to finish the job in 2754 A.D.
KevinByrne2 1 year ago
@KevinByrne2 so its not the new national anthem then...
kashga11 1 year ago
@kashga11 You're expected to sing it in Chinese until the English version is available.
KevinByrne2 1 year ago
@KevinByrne2 but it's still not the national anthem then...
kashga11 1 year ago
@KevinByrne2 i loled at this
Noobssuckass300 1 year ago
@KevinByrne2 You'd think so, but no.
alsmiith 1 year ago
@KevinByrne2 wtf
MrBigEnchilada 1 year ago
oh dear, you one of those scared by the healthcare bill?
poledo89 1 year ago
Mao did not unite China, nor did he turn it into a superpower. His stupid and selfish policies destroyed temples, ancient books, beautiful Chinese antiques and 30 million Chinese people. China would have been much stronger under someone like Chou En-lai who was not a nut case like Mao. Mao dragged China down for over a generation and caused enormous suffering for the Chinese people. Wake up to the truth!
proudcrusader 1 year ago
@proudcrusader Wake up you stupid fucker! Where are your facts? How about you stop preaching from your pathetic corner of imbecility and try getting a life? You go drag yourself to hell you fucking reactionary pig!
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@proudcrusader GO fuck a book and masturbate in a museum if you want!
ivanenrile 1 year ago
Anyone who watched the Beijing Olympics opening ceremonies has to admit that National Socialism is a tremendously effective and successful form of government.
DancingTillIDie 1 year ago
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@DancingTillIDie National Socialism is different from the revolutionary proletarian Communism of Chairman Mao Zedong. The current power clique in China are not socialists but traitors! Chairman Mao stressed that over material progress it is the the people who are important. That's why he put premium on class struggle and to revolutionize class relations. China may be a wealthy nation now but the gap bet. rich and poor have gotten worse since the dismantlement of socialism under Teng Hsiaoping.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
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@DancingTillIDie National Socialism is different from the revolutionary proletarian Communism of Chairman Mao Zedong. The current power clique in China are not socialists but traitors! Chairman Mao stressed that over material progress it is the the people who are important. That's why he put premium on class struggle and to revolutionize class relations. China may be a wealthy nation now but the gap bet. rich and poor have gotten worse since the dismantlement of socialism under Teng Hsiaoping.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
Middle School enrollment rose from 9 million to 67 million. Women were freed from patriarchal and feudalistic shackles. Prostitution was forbidden and declined, a phenomenon that was to return after Deng Xiaoping and post-Maoist CCP leaders increased liberalization of the economy. China regained her dignity as a nation and ended its Centuries of Humiliation from Western Imperialism.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
Middle school enrollment rose from 9 Million to 67 Million
ivanenrile 1 year ago
By 1956, Mao had united China, created an awesome rate of growth, restructured the education system and improved living standards.. peasant incomes rose, worker incomes rose, the percent of children in primary school doubled. Life expectancy, the best indicator of a country’s health, jumped from 36 to 57 years. By the mid-1950s, Mao could have looked around at everything he had done and said it was good. Instead, he became a Maoist.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
In January 1953, Mao announced a 5 year plan for building the economy. Like similar plans in the Soviet Union, the Chinese plan emphasized heavy industry, steel, cement, chemical, and machine tools, and electric power… It worked! During its first 5 year plan, China’s industrial production grew at a rate of almost 18% a year. This was a huge, almost unheard of increase. In 5 years, China’s industry doubled. Those who think that the Chinese economy languished under Mao are dead wrong.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile
You're preaching to the choir, my friend. I'm well aware of how Mao with the CCP turned China around from one of the most backwards countries in the world to a rising superpower. My whole point is, that these achievements do not overshadow the political and economic tumult (especially the Great Leap Forward) and the failed communal farming.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan No need to preach stupid as all my comments are peppered with facts while yours are mere assertions/claims to truth.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile Of course that is not to say that the GLP didn't have its fair share of shortcomings. But they were done in the context of revolution and not for some selfish, bourgeois capitalist interest for power and profit. And the Chinese people knew and appreciated this.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile
The funny thing is, I could probably use a lot of these facts against somebody who's vehemently anti-Mao....
RudeDan 1 year ago
@ivanenrile
The funny thing is, I could probably use a lot of these facts against somebody who's vehemently anti-Mao....
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan Who? Like yourself?
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile
Very mature.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan Thanks. You are so immature.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan The Great Leap Forward, the second five-year plan of the Chinese revolution, was an attempt to develop rapidly both industry and agriculture. This was the period during which the communes were formed and some 600,000 “backyard,” small-scale steel furnaces were built to supply local needs all over the country. This was also the era of massive irrigation projects — local, regional, and national in scope — that were to result in impressive gains in crop yields in subsequent years.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
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ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan The GLP didn't just revolutionize Chinese economy but it also deconstructed the traditional binaries of party and the maasses, leaders and followers, intellectuals and workers.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan Farmers who were at the bottom of Chinese society acquired a sense of importance and empowerment when government officials, professors, and college students were working side by side with them. Mao and other national leaders worked on the Shisanling Reservoir on May 25, 1958, giving rise to waves of government officials participating in this kind of activity.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan On October 11, 1959, 12,000 college and high school students and professors from Qingdao City came to Jimo to help with fall harvesting and planting. In September 1960, 28,000 students and teachers from Qingdao City came to Jimo to help with harvesting and planting. [Dongpin Han, The Unknown Cultural Revolution (2008)]
I wonder if arrogant petty-bourgeois like you would even consider going to the countrysides to help peasants in farm work, manual labor and all.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan "While we can fault the county leaders’ management, we cannot fault their intentions. There was a general consensus among local government leaders, local community leaders, and ordinary farmers that enhanced irrigation was needed in order to improve crop yields. Therefore, most farmers saw the connections between these irrigation projects and a better life for themselves in the near future.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan "Even though they went through a great deal of hardship in constructing these projects at the time, farmers said they could not deny the fact that the purpose was to make their lives better in the future. This contrasts sharply with farmers’ attitudes toward many massive projects from earlier eras, such as when they were drafted to build palaces for the elite." -- Dongpin Han, The Unknown Cultural Revolution (2008)
ivanenrile 1 year ago
Dirty Trotskyites, OUT!
ivanenrile 1 year ago
Mao was a disaster for China and the Chinese people. He did not make China Stand Up, he pulled it down. The so called imperialists were long gone. USA and others had defeated Japan and many Americans died flying from Burma to China bringing food, etc. Many, many more Chinese were killed by Mao's policies than by anyone else, including the Japanese. China lost one full generation of people and was backward all that time, people in fear for their lives.
proudcrusader 1 year ago
@proudcrusader Hey if you hate Mao then stop watching this video. Don't you have any other better things to do than troll here in youtube? How about finding work?
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@proudcrusader You are free to imagine these so-called "crimes" of Mao. You are not alone. The bourgeois academicians and the CIA are in league with you in this effort. Didn't it occur to you that we are very much aware of these trumped up charges and falsifications against Mao! Hey, we've already heard those! Try again!
ivanenrile 1 year ago
Mao did not stop any oppression; he is the one who used that excuse to oppress the Chinese people. He was monster! Mao's policies kill far more Chinese than Japanese aggression did. Many Chinese temples and manuscripts and antiques were destroyed because of this idiot.
proudcrusader 1 year ago
@proudcrusader
Mao was a good revolutionary strategist, but not a good leader. The Great Leap's, the Cultural Revolution's intentions weren't completely malicious, but had much more disastrous effects than Mao could have foreseen. I'm not saying Mao wasn't a power-hungry megalomaniac, but I think monster is a little strong. He and the party had the task of lifting the largest population in the world out of poverty under new social relations.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan actually mao himself had very little power for most of his reign. sometime in the early 60's he got severely ill and from then on had very limited roles in government. from that point on he mostly was only head of state in name, while his wife jiang qing manipulated the power and started her crazy scheme which is what led her to being sent to life imprisonment after mao's death.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass
Mao was still responsible for the disaster of the Great Leap Forward, the disastrous communes and backyard steel blast furnaces, and let's not forget his manipulation of the masses for his own power during the Cultural Revolution and accusing other leaders, like Deng, of taking "the capitalist road."
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan well capitalism does such so i don't see anything wrong with that. and if you really want to see manipulation, try your own media. your own government has killed so many of its own people that you would almost be hypocritical to say anything of any foreign manipulator. the soviet way of manipulating is they say they are there for the poor, the capitalists claim they are democratic.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass
This is a strawman, it doesn't have anything to do with Mao; I haven't made any claims to support capitalism. I know corporate media and the US government manipulate people, and I know the system of capitalism exploits our surplus labor, but that doesn't mean I need to support dictators and corrupt government just because they are leftist.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan when you talk the way you do, you are being a rightist. someone who doesn't support a certain system doesn't necessarily make them right or left.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass
explain to me how it makes me a rightist and explain to me how you're not just calling me a rightist because you don't want to admit Mao's faults?
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan hmmmm let's see here. you accuse me of leftism for defending mao, and rightists are generally the most critical, so yea, you are definetely a rightist. and don't get started with mao zedong with me, i could sit here and name thousands of genocides the americans have costed, and unlike mao's, the americans did it deliberately. does the einsenhower death camps sound familiar to you?
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass
No, to defend Mao, you just point a finger at the West. This doesn't really do anything to defend Mao. It's like if I murdered someone and said it was okay because the guy down the street murdered someone too. Mao attacked political opponents, so he was at the very least, irresponsible.
also, I've never heard of Eisenhower death camps, care to elaborate?
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan the eisenhower death camps occurred after ww2 where eisenhower intentionally took millions of german prisoners and stuffed them into hundreds of camps across the rhine and provided no food or shelter. he intentionally killed 1.7 million in the first months. patton was assassinated for trying to report this to the world. (read it up if you don't believe me, don't take my word for it.) the allies had their own german camps until 1954. they even almost launched the morgenthau plan.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass
I just read up on it, and I can't find a single scholarly source that promotes these claims. A couple poorly put-together website, but nothing from a serious scholar.
If you want to criticize the allies during World War 2, try the fire bombings of European cities, you don't have to search for shady conspiracy theories.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan such a shame that there is books about it also. one being the book "other losses" written by a journalist who interviewed german prisoners and allied guards that were present. but i'm sure you will just call it a conspiracy theory since it goes against the allied views of ww2 right?
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass
Yes, because people write books on how the holocaust didn't happen.
anyways, I'm not blindly pro-capitalist, but you seem to be blindly pro-Mao.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan You looked it up where? Did you actually go to a library for that?
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile
The interwebz
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan What a moron! All along I thought you were some scholar snob. Hey why don't you raise hell and prosecute imperialist George Bush for killing innocent civilians? Abu Grahib? Guantanamo? Iraq? Afghanistan? And how many years did Dubya spend in office?
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile
For a youtube conversation, I'm not going to go to the library to look up conspiracies. I have read extensively on Mao and China (from actual scholarly sources) so... chill.
What does GWB have to do with this? I agree with you, the US is an imperialist power and GWB has innocent blood on his hands, but how on Earth does that justify Mao's mismanagement and megalomania?
Stop giving the Left a bad name. We want people to see us as reasonable people, not blind ideologues.
RudeDan 1 year ago
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ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan Could you please cite the "scholarly background" of your sources like their credentials etc? I won't be shocked to know if Trotsky was one of your "scholarly informants" for your rabid and hysterical attacks against Mao.
I'm not a blind ideologue. So are Althusser, Badiou, Zizek, Marcuse, Korsch, etc. who all uphold Mao as a great Marxist. On the contrary you r the one who is blinded with the anti-Mao poison fed to you by bourgeois academicians, media, fake leftists, and the CIA
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile
LOL, my rabid and hysterical attacks... I would say I've been pretty calm, but sources: China Against the Tides by Marc Blecher, Shenfan by William Hinton, Micropolitics in Contemporary China by Gordon White and Marc Blecher. I don't know why pointing out Mao's faults makes me anti-Mao. You are a ideologue because you can't recognize his faults and only trumpet his achievements. History isn't so black and white.
RudeDan 1 year ago
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ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan If you had read Hinton, then you would have known that the achievements of Mao far outweigh his so-called shortcomings. Or maybe you are dyslexic.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile
No need to insult each other, but having read Hinton I prefer to look at the achievements of the revolution as a whole, and while Mao did achieve some great things for China, his abuses of power and mismanagement are far more serious than "shortcomings."
Backyard steel furnaces, impossible to meet agricultural quotas, and irresponsibly run communes....
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan Data please. "Those who do not have concrete facts do not have any right to speak." -- Mao Zedong!
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile
Not to mention, the Cultural Revolution he initiated that almost tore China apart.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan The Cultural Revolution was a shining beacon that contributed to the further development of Marxism-Leninism. You see RudeDan, the matrix of Marxism isn't essentialist calls for "unity" but rather CLASS STRUGGLE. I understand that you being a pea-brained reactionary pig cannot comprehend this.
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan China under Mao accomplished what the U.S. has never done. It established a system of universal health care. Health services were provided free or at low cost, and the health system was guided by the principles of cooperation and egalitarianism. Maoist China integrated Western and traditional medicine. Some 1.3 million peasants were trained as health care providers ("barefoot doctors") to meet basic health needs in the countryside.
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@RudeDan "Ideologue"? Define the term "ideologue." As far as Louis Althusser, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Zizek and all the rest of high-theory, postmodernist thinkers are concerned, all people and all discourses are ideological even those claiming to be scientific. You are not an exception dear. Don't consider yourself too special
ivanenrile 1 year ago
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@RudeDan "Ideologue"? Define the term "ideologue." As far as Louis Althusser, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Zizek and all the rest of high-theory, postmodernist thinkers are concerned, all people and all discourses are ideological even those claiming to be scientific. You are not an exception dear. Don't consider yourself too special
ivanenrile 1 year ago
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@RudeDan "Ideologue"? Define the term "ideologue." As far as Louis Althusser, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Zizek and all the rest of high-theory, postmodernist thinkers are concerned, all people and all discourses are ideological even those claiming to be scientific. You are not an exception dear. Don't consider yourself too special
ivanenrile 1 year ago
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sashafiercebiatch 1 year ago
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@RudeDan "Ideologue"? Define the term "ideologue." As far as Louis Althusser, Gramsci, Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze and Zizek and all the rest of high-theory, postmodernist thinkers are concerned, all people and all discourses are ideological even those claiming to be scientific. You are not an exception dear. Don't consider yourself too special
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@RudeDan So what!, if you want to know even the so called good guys?, like eg. Churchill had plenty of innocent blood on their hands.
"You cannot make omelette without breaking eggs"
cultofmao 1 year ago
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When did Churchill come into this? Jesus, make an argument without making assumptions about my beliefs, Churchill was an imperialist pig, but that doesn't excuse Mao's irresponsibility that cost millions of lives.
RudeDan 1 year ago
@RudeDan Because Teng Hsiaoping and Hua Guofeng are really capitlaist railroaders. Can't you see the consequences of their regime manifesting in China right now?
ivanenrile 1 year ago
@ivanenrile If Mao's achievements are what RudeDan would call mismanagement and megalomania, then God forbid I would like to have him as a leader!
ivanenrile 1 year ago
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ivanenrile 1 year ago
@proudcrusader You forgot to include the Nationalists how many did they kill when they attacked their own people instead of the Japanese?
Temples and manuscripts are not people, how many millions might have been saved by Mao coming to power? after all he drove out the real exploiters the Imperialist who had fed on the blood and the marrow of people for many many years.
cultofmao 1 year ago
@proudcrusader You're the idiot prioritizing temples and antiques rather than the welfare of the people! Reactionary pig!
ivanenrile 1 year ago
Eh, everyone's done bad stuff and good stuff. Even though Mao is to blame for such things as the Cultural Revolution, he at least can be credited for stopping other countries from oppressing China.
TheEclecticMonster 1 year ago 8
@TheEclecticMonster Sure, colonial powers didn't oppress China - Mao did. Compare the bodycount from various colonial conflicts like the Opium wars (about 50k Qing dead) to the Great Leap Forward (about 14 million).
draug2009 1 year ago
@draug2009 That is an unbelievable thing to say Imperialism sounds like some kind of Missonary service tending the needy the way you write it here. Western powers treated China like their own personal whore.
cultofmao 1 year ago
@TheEclecticMonster Thats true, he gave people much more, a way to free themselves from Imperialism, forget Jesus, or many others Mao zedong was a true visionary and a developer of a modern way Revolution.
cultofmao 1 year ago
@TheEclecticMonster If anyone is to oppress the Chinese it should be a native, eh?
LordMoriya 1 year ago
@TheEclecticMonster I would contend that Mao is not responsible for problems in the Cultural Revolution where most blame should be going to Liu Shaoqi. Mao supported the 'rebel' faction, and asked for public humiliation only, no physical attacks. He also promoted preservation of historical areas. I can link you to some literature if you wish to see for yourself. Liu Shaoqi's Red Guard faction is responsible for much of the problems caused in the CR. CR is conceptually sound, but was done poorly.
yadsik 1 year ago
@TheEclecticMonster The same could be said of Kim Jong Il. Or Saddam Hussein. Imperialism is bad but having your own homegrown tyrants is no better.
craigjsm 1 year ago
@TheEclecticMonster IOnly under Mao and the Communist Party could China have become the great nation it is today.
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