this is stupid. and i dont mean the video because its great. what i mean is people saying that this isnt a real martial art when, for 1 thing it hurts like fuck and the sensai gives them their arm because its safer to practice with and he is less likely to break there arm. imagine for running towards someone and grab their adn then flipping you over or doing some of the other things they did in the video; that means there is a greater force because of the run up, therefore its more dangerous.
Ah, excellent video. I'd always heard of the mysterious "Let Me Run Up To You, Here Let Me Give You My Arm, Maybe My Hand, Yes, Please, Toss Me Around While I Don't Resist" martial art, but I'd never seen it before. All this time it's been cleverly disguised as 'Aikido'....
Mustard is one of the top western Aikido masters that there is. He learned the real style of Aikido-Yoshinkan. Not the flowery rubbish that passes for Aikido today.
Unless you learn Yoshinkan or Iwama style, you are wasting your time.
Markaval if you have read the brilliant book: ANGRY WHITE PYJAMAS by Robert Twigger. Twigger can't even stand Mustard as a teacher but he does respect his ability as an Aikido teacher.
Nice video! One of the best aikido instructors practising today! Wish I was based in Canada. They have some fantastic aikido and jiu jitsu instructors and schools.
@urbanmammoth I don't think you get the purpose of why this has been executed this way. At any single point during the technique uke is (i) off balance (ii) unable to defend themselves effectively (iii) being controlled. Doing techniques quickly just hides technical flaws. Slow it right down - if you can still adhere to the principles then you're on to something. There is nothing harsh here. Get on the mat with this man and then come back and write about your experience.....
@markaval I have done Aikido for quite some time and my opinion is still that you dont almost stop a move to go as fast as lighning a flash of a second later. that is no good for the body. It would be ok if the whole thechnique would be shown slow, the last part he is a crap teacher for show reasons who does not care about the health of his trainees. Sorry, that was not meant to offend you mate.
@urbanmammoth No offence taken, but just because Mustard Sensei does something different to what you might do, doesn't make is crap, or him a crap teacher. These ukes have trained with him for years and he knows exactly what they can and can't take. In terms of caring for the health of his students, you will rarely find someone who cares more! and although there is acceleration in the final part of execution, I can promise you there is no arm strength or 'harshness' as you describe it :-D
I am baffled by all these comments. Has no one noticed that all of the white belt level techniques are in every self-defense program available? I studied Aikido for almost 2 years until I took up Filipino Martial Arts and my Aikido training proved invaluable to me. Just about every trap involved includes some level of Aikido in it.
Now on topic, no one can appreciate what it takes to master what Sensei Robert has except one who has studied Aikido. Watching him display his training is amazing
One of the issues with watching demos of Aikido is that you're seeing things at dojo speed. You could try to resist, fight or whatever but you're going down when receiving techniques from someone of Mustard Sensei's calibre. The attacker moves around, looking compliant, because if he doesn't his arm is going to break, he'll dislocate his shoulder or break an elbow - whatever. Aikido is harmony between the attacker and defender if you went full out there'd be no one to train with.
I appreciate you coming at this with an open mind, and letting little Sirc come play at your school. I've seen enough video of aikido demos that have compliant attackers, do you have any video of you guys, or any other aikido guys, working aikido techniques with resistance? Full speed?"
Funny that, I've been asking myself the same question for years...
"I know these words will frustrate you but and i know how you feel cause ive been there buts its a make beleive art, your being conned. I cant tell you how bad i felt when i found out the truth, wasted so many years."
Sound familiar, Markaval? Just somebody talking about another load of BULLSHIDO...
So I take it you aren't going to show us any videos of your 'sensei' actually defending REAL attacks?
@packoftwenty Lol, I have to hand it to you mate. You are a genius - for the stating the f&*^%ing obvious! Nobody fights like this - No Shit Sherlock! And NEWS FLASH - this isn't fighting! And it doesn't profess to be! How many times, in how many different ways do you need to be told?
As for the other comments - I've answered them all at least half a dozen times. So stop asking the same old questions!!
"As for your statement that youve never seen anybody flying across a room without being touched, I have. It was in a seminar and Three of the higher black belts fell over about 30 feet away from 'master chusan' without pete even moving. It wasnt long after that i left. Green belt in two years quick? I was a brown in two and about a month from black in 2 and thre quarters and i wasnt alone."
@packoftwenty There IS crap Aikido (I believe I've said that many times too on a number of different posts). This sounds like crap to me too. So we agree on something. Re belts - I'm a white belt and I've been studying Yoshinkan Aikido for about three years - I don't give two tosses about the colour of belts; it's what you can DO that counts...belts are there to hold your pants up...
"Bullshidoka Argument #1 - Demanding that we train with or under the subject of the investigation before we make any conclusions about his claims.
Counter - An experienced martial artist can make reasonable judgments about someone else's level of skill or expertise. Although first hand experience is effective, informed judgments can be drawn from video clips and other media. This may not stand alone as conclusive proof of anything, but it can be a factor that raises the red flag of bullshido."
@packoftwenty That's your opinion - that's fine. A guy called Nicholas Pettas, karate and kick boxing champion, looked at Aikido for a TV show he did (you can find it on Youtube). He looked at video and said pretty much what you've said - it's all fake and he didn't believe it. Then he got off his arse and went to the Aikido dojos and then said on TV that there is a lot more to Aikido than there seems. He is experienced martial artist and he admitted he got it wrong.....lesson there maybe?
"To be honest, you bore the tits off me. As I've said repeatedly - I'm not going to - nor am I even trying - to explain anything to you because you are too ignorant to understand."
EPIC FAIL...
You haven't got any videos to show us aikido WORKING, so you're making excuses... Everybody can see. They can see this EPIC FAIL of a video too...
Why can't you post up a video of YOU attacking Bastard Sensei properly?
@packoftwenty This isn't an attack in the way you assume it is. It is a training method - that is all. The principle is exactly the same against a 'real' attack but this isn't trying to portray a real attack. It's about redirecting energy of an attack. The only way you would 'get' it is if you felt it. Then you would understand. It is absolutely useless trying to explain it. As for me attacking Mustard Sensei 'for real' - you'd only say it was fake so what would be the point!
@packoftwenty The other guy is not trying to hit Mustard Sensei - this is simply an exercise is redirecting force ('simply' is not quite the right word as it is bloody hard to do). This is not trying to show anything remotely to do with fighting.
Re 'catching punches' - why would he try and catch a moving object? Why not go for the object that doesn't move....namely, the shoulder. Only an idiot tries to catch a punch. Try it - it usually ends up with you getting a broken nose.
And for those newcomers to this discussion, apparently Markaval thinks it's easier for me to spend an entire day (and his money) travelling to Kent, than for him to simply take a camcorder to his next aikido class and film Bastard Sensei defending a real attack...
Care to explain why that is, Markaval? (Cue the usual excuses and obfuscation)
@packoftwenty I'll let those who read forums like this make up their own minds. To be honest, you bore the tits off me. As I've said repeatedly - I'm not going to - nor am I even trying - to explain anything to you because you are too ignorant to understand. I love the martial art I do. You hate it. That's fine. I prefer to get off my arse and do. You are just a talker. That's fine too. I've made you an offer. You've 'declined'. That's also fine. Let's leave it at that.
@packoftwenty Because as you have an opinion, so do I - or is that not a valid reason? And my opinion is that there is no substitute for actual experience. but that is just my opinion, that is all. Or do you count my opinion as nothing more than an 'excuse and obfuscation'? For some reason I keep responding to your posts - as you've inferred before, I probably AM stupid. But I keep hoping that maybe - just maybe - you'll look at an alternative point of view and not just jump to conclusions
"If you have been to a Sensei Mustard seminar before you may have seen him withstand up to 10 Uke pushing him while he is in Kamae, or being able to walk forward whilst up to 10 Uke pull him from his belt."
Any video of this 'amazing' feat, Markaval? I'm sure you would like the whole world to see it, right?
Gee, I wonder if the fools who actually pay Bastard sensei money for his classes were afraid to pull properly on their 'master's' belt, in case their delusion was shattered...
Look up "Jacques Payet 5º Dan Aikido" on Youtube - now that is even more hilarious than Bastard Sensei! Talk about being 'light on his feet', Payet, positively prances around the dojo, he's almost skipping along, picking petals off a flower!
More bullshido from the 'masters' (of fraud)...
Still waiting for ONE video of an aikidoka defending a REAL attack, but apparently that's far more difficult for markaval to supply, than it is for me to waste an entire day of my (very busy) life...
Let me repeat it, so everybody can see what Markaval is avoiding:
You can't even begin to explain why Mustard is wasting people's time defending attacks WHICH NEVER HAPPEN in real life, in this video. Why is he doing this? Do you have any answers?
"5 Uke lined up, front to back and lightly pushed each other, Sensei Mustard then used Iriminage to send his energy through the first Uke, through the line, to the last Uke, who was then projected backwards and ended up on the floor."
Any video of these 'amazing' feats, markaval? Sounds just like that other fraud, UeSHITa, doesn't it...
As I said - why isn't there a SINGLE video in existence of an 'aikidoka' defending a REAL attack?
These are the comments that are presumably the reason why Markaval posted up eight (or whatever) huge comments to push them off the page...
"If you have been to a Sensei Mustard seminar before you may have seen him withstand up to 10 Uke pushing him while he is in Kamae, or being able to walk forward whilst up to 10 Uke pull him from his belt. This is always impressive to witness, however, whilst demonstrating the concepts of Iriminage, he achieved an even more impressive demonstration… "
Yes, "Aikido has a lot to offer", just that there doesn't happen to exist a SINGLE video showing it actually being used to defend a REAL attack...
As usual, Markaval has avoided my simple questions, which he cannot answer...
I'm not spending an entire day of my life just to prove a point. Everybody watching EVERY aikido video on Youtube can see waht a pile of shite it is...
You are typical of the douchebags who do 'aikido' Markaval, I am not in the least surprised...
@markaval oh yeah of course- well I did Kung Fu when I was little and Ju Jitsu as a teen and Martial Arts in general interest me and I think the throws and such in Aikido look incredible- and its like you said about that bouncer- I like the fact that it seems to be less about size and more about technique
@Gregyo Good to hear that you have martial arts experience - it gives you a solid base from which to make sound assessment and judgement. Aikido is very difficult and takes time - I'll tell you that right up front. If you want to fight someone then pick another martial art! But if you want to learn how to neutralise attacks, manipulate and control the attacker, and generally just do something the other guy won't expect, then Aikido has a lot to offer. If you want any info then just PM me.
Let me repeat it, so everybody can see what Markaval is avoiding:
You can't even begin to explain why Mustard is wasting people's time defending attacks WHICH NEVER HAPPEN in real life, in this video. Why is he doing this? Do you have any answers?
@packoftwenty Lol, I'm avoiding nothing mate. I'm not trying to justify anything to anyone else - I just want you in a dojo and see if you can do as much in real life as you type on here. If you can you'll be able to kick my arse up and down Kent with no problems whatsover. I don't need to explain what Robert Mustard does and how he does it - I'm quite happy with the validity of his training methods. The real answers you want my friend are on the mat, stood opposite me, giving it your best shot
Look up "Jacques Payet 5º Dan Aikido" on Youtube - now that is even more hilarious than Bastard Sensei! Talk about being 'light on his feet', Payet, positively prances around the dojo, he's almost skipping along, picking petals off a flower!
More bullshido from the 'masters' (of fraud)...
Still waiting for ONE video of an aikidoka defending a REAL attack, but apparently that's far more difficult for markaval to supply, than it is for me to waste an entire day of my (very busy) life...
"5 Uke lined up, front to back and lightly pushed each other, Sensei Mustard then used Iriminage to send his energy through the first Uke, through the line, to the last Uke, who was then projected backwards and ended up on the floor."
Any video of these 'amazing' feats, markaval? Sounds just like that other fraud, UeSHITa, doesn't it...
Gee... I wonder if Bastard Sensei actually defended a REAL attack! Now that WOULD be amazing, wouldn't it!
"If you have been to a Sensei Mustard seminar before you may have seen him withstand up to 10 Uke pushing him while he is in Kamae, or being able to walk forward whilst up to 10 Uke pull him from his belt. This is always impressive to witness, however, whilst demonstrating the concepts of Iriminage, he achieved an even more impressive demonstration… " cont.
@packoftwenty God yes, you're right!! Everyone colluded to make Mustard Sensei look good! How could I have been so blind? I mean no one could possibly do this stuff so it HAS to be fake! And there was me thinking that he was demonstrating posture and body positioning.....I'm mortified I didn't spot that he was really demonstrating some demented form of static fighting....
So I looked up the 'amazing' Jo Thambu and couldn't find a single video of him defending a REAL attack either... Now there's a surprise! Ask Bas Rutten what he says about fights with drunks... (i.e. that they don't count as 'wins' as far as he is concerned...)
Where is all the EVIDENCE? Of course, as a fake-ido practitioner, you don't worry about minor things like that, too busy lying with your 'friends' at the dojo... and paying to be lied to, too...
@packoftwenty Oh well, obviously bouncers never have to deal with 'real fights' - silly me! What do these guys DO all weekend?! Unless they've been in the octagon then the way they earn their living obviously has no legitimacy - how could I have been so stupid! Thanks for waking me up to reality!!! I mean, twenty years of dealing with the good, the bad and the ugly in pubs and clubs is obviously all fake and he's never had anyone throw a punch at him.....god, I've been deluded all this time!
@packoftwenty Oh another revelation of a post! God, I've seen the light! Packoftwenty you are truly amazing! How could I have ever doubted that you aren't just a windbag?
The answers are all there in my posts mate - you just choose not to see them - because the reality of the dojo is a damned site more painful than the comfort of watching a vid on your PC. That's fine, and that's your choice. But please don't try and justify your cowardice with your so-called arguments.
Let me repeat it, so everybody can see what Markaval is avoiding:
You can't even begin to explain why Mustard is wasting people's time defending attacks WHICH NEVER HAPPEN in real life, in this video. Why is he doing this? Do you have any answers?
@packoftwenty Lol, I'm avoiding nothing mate. I'm not trying to justify anything to anyone - I just want to get you in a dojo and see if you can do as much in real life as you type on here. If you can you'll be able to kick my arse up and down Kent with no problems whatsover. I don't need to explain what Robert Mustard does and how he does it - I'm quite happy with the validity of his training methods. The answers you seek my friend are on the mat, stood opposite me, giving it your best shot.
Just film yourself at your next sparring session, not difficult at all, you are going there anyway, then put it up on Youtube, and it will be an overnight sensation!
"First time ever - aikidoka actually defends against REAL attack! Somebody who isn't holding their arm out like a douchebag! Somebody who actually maintains the use of their three OTHER limbs while their hand is grabbed."
Or maybe not. Because aikido doesn't work, as you well know.
What are you talking about - "back on the train before 11am". Yeah, sure, I'll just reorganise my life because you can't take a camcorder with you to your next training session.
@packoftwenty Lol, I'm not the one slagging off the integrity of a martial art or the people who choose to practice that art. You are. Therefore, logically, it is not unreasonable for someone (namely me) to turn round to you and say 'Ok, mate, you think you've got a point - come prove it yourself'. That's not offering excuses - that's called offering an opportunity. And isn't it just a tad of an exageration to equate taking a day out (at my expense) as 'reorganising' your life? :-D
@packoftwenty YAWN.... sorry...did you say something? Oh, as usual, nothing interesting... it was your usual boring regurgitated vitriol and slagging off something you have zero experience about. I've already given you the offer of starring in your own proving-it's-fake Aikido video but you conveniently forget to mention that in your reams of drivel. Kick me, beat me, hey, even kill me - but please, please, PLEASE just stop BORING me!
@markaval More of the same... you're really showing your true 'aikido' colours - i.e. that of a serial liar... just like all the other fakes who participate in this crap.
Why isn't there a SINGLE video of an aikidoka defending a REAL attack?
WHY can't you answer that simple question? Everybody on Youtube can see the truth - it's all bullshido and doesn't actually work.
Surely it should be easy for you to prove me wrong by posting up a video of an aikidoka defending a REAL attack?
@packoftwenty God, you've gone and done it again! You're 100% right - I've been lying to myself for years and my life is all a fraud! How could I have been so stupid as not to base my entire life and knowledge on Youtube videos? God I'm such a fool!! And how could I be so stupid as to offer someone the chance to prove something themselves when all I had to do is post a video of me fighting on Youtube! Oh, I've been such an idiot......I must give up Aikido right this second....
So come on Markaval, explain to us all why you can't just take a camcorder to your next aikido lesson and film yourself (or maybe somebody who actually has some good standup skills, LOL) attacking Mustard and we can see how amazing his defences are. Start with some decent leg kicks, then jabs, then we'll see how 'fake-ido' works. Until you actually provide evidence of it working against the attacks that 99.999% of people experience in real life, it's a waste of time. Isn't it.
For laughable footage of UeSHITA, search Youtube for "AIKIDO. Morihei Ueshiba demonstrates in 1960" - then search for "Kyuzo Mifune" and watch a REAL martial arts master - whose students strangely enough don't engage in stupid 'fall guy' manouevres or unrealistic attacks...
All 'aikidoka' are frauds, all their students know it, so what on earth possesses these people? They sure hate the truth being revealed about their 'art', don't they...
I'd love to give it a go- however I think its pretty impressive regardless of whether or not it sustain real attacks (which I think it can) - it seems to be a lot about centre of gravity and he's so quick!
@packoftwenty I do believe I posted you a good number of links that weren't actually half bad - or did you forget those? Maybe not MMA standard, but not bad all the same. Whereas Robert Mustard would leave you in one piece, those Real Aikido guys will happily rip your arm off and stuff it down your throat. Not what I do Aikido for, but each to their own and I respect their skill. So please, if you are going to make a statement about what I do/don't say, then at least get it right.
@markaval "those Real Aikido guys will happily rip your arm off and stuff it down your throat. "- More threats as usual, from a 'peaceful' 'aikidoka'...
@packoftwenty ? who said anything about being peaceful? I'm trying to learn to relax and develop good posture, and throw without using arm strength. But peaceful? Not me. And the context of the Real Aikido reference was perfectly clear - it had nothing to do with making threats,and everything to do with your incorrect post that there are no realistic attacks defended by Aikido on Youtube. Please refer to things in context - it only makes you look more silly than you already do :-)
@packoftwenty and look up a guy called Jo Thanbu. He's been a bouncer for decades - 7th Dan Yoshinkan, trained under same Yoshinkan masters as Robert Mustard. Five foot nothing and 120 pounds dripping wet, dealing with drunks and thugs all his adult life using Aikido. But of course, Aikido doesn't work in the 'real' world...oh, and did I mention that Jo Thanbu runs a bouncer training school in Australia? Teaching bouncers Aikido-based self defence...you know... the art that doesn't work..
@markaval Duh - then show us some VIDEO of Jo Thanbu defending REAL attacks.
And then explain why you don't have ANY videos of ANY aikidoka defending REAL attacks.
You can't even begin to explain why Mustard is wasting people's time defending attacks WHICH NEVER HAPPEN in real life, in this video. Why is he doing this? Do you have any answers? (Apart from that you are a cult member...)
@Gregyo It's up to you fellah. You can either listen to the arguments of people like packoftwenty, who choose to base their arguments and life experience on video on Youtube. Or you can find a good club and go an experience it for yourself. It may not be your cup of tea - no probs, there are a dozen other martial arts out there. But please do not be swayed by this primary school standard of reasoning about the validity of Aikido. You won't 'get' Aikido by watching Youtube vids..
@packoftwenty u want footage of aikido against REAL attacks.... search up some videos of riot police in hand to hand combat u should be able to find some intrasting pins and trows : ) (I am not sure that aikido is mandatory for all the riot police but it sure is in japan and lots of other countries)
@packoftwenty Do you know what, I'll even pay for your trainfare down to Kent personally. So to summarise:
1. I'm offering to pay for your train fare
2. I'm offering to let you into the October seminar for free
3. I'm giving you the opportunity to come and experience Aikido for yourself and prove for once and for all to your own satisfaction whether Aikido is fake or not.
@packoftwenty Lol, I'm many things but enlightened isn't one of them. Seeing as video evidence is so important to you I'll do as you ask - I'll post a video on Youtube - of you attacking Aikidoka with your 'real world' attacks. That way you'll be 100% sure in your own mind that the attacks are authentic and that the video isn't choreographed. That way it's a win-win: you get your video and I get to see the look on your face as you look up your own arse :-D
Just to rip into this bullshit a bit more - what exactly is the point of what is being 'demonstrated' at 1:00? Nobody 'attacks' by running slightly past their opponent with their bloody hand out. So why do we see this 'attack' (cough cough) over and over again, since it's TOTALLY POINTLESS?
Because this is the sort of blatant bullshit that aikido is about, that's why.
How does Bastard Sensei defend against a decent leg kick? Has he ever experienced one? It's beyond a joke.
Perhaps Markaval can explain why the 'attackers' are only allowed to use one limb throughout... Maybe because when you are actually attacking somebody, you don't just allow them to hold your hand, you punch them in the face with the other?
As Mike Tyson said - everybody has a plan, until they get punched in the face.
Can we see some footage of that please?
Oh, I forgot - aikido isn't for that, how convenient...
@packoftwenty To use boxing analogy "if you want to learn to slip a jab, don't throw hooks".
You are 100% right with Tyson's quote - But this clip is not trying to demonstrate fighting and it's not trying to teach fighitng. Re being 'allowed' to use limb - true test of technique is to be able to do it slowly and for attacker not to be able to move/attack - that's bloody hard. Mustard Sensei would not have problem if u decided to try and lamp him but you'd best be prepared to take consequences!
In short, one asks one's self - what is the PURPOSE of this 'demonstration'? All we see are two 'fall guys' who haven't a clue how to fight, pretending to 'attack' somebody who couldn't defend himself in a REAL fight - i.e. against somebody who is actually trying to attack him properly.
What's the point of displaying endless 'defences' against attacks that NEVER happen in the real world? Nobody attacks like these two douchebags. So what's the point?
@packoftwenty No, this 'ex soldier' is bored with trying to get some numbnuts to come and experience this stuff for himself. I've given you an option - several times - but you choose to ignore it. I could type till the cows come home but you would't accept what I have to say. That's your perogative. But what will NEVER happen in the REAL world is for you to get off your lazy fat arse, go to a Yoshinkan Dojo and give it your best shot. Oh, and put it on video of course :-)
@packoftwenty whilst you superficially ask questions, what you don't do is then research them properly to find out the real answer. Like all bad science you take what little evidence you've bothered to gather and made it fit your preconceived theory. If you REALLY wanted to find out the answer you'd get off your arse, visit a few Yoshinkan Aikido dojos and try and put your theories about the validity of Aikido into practice. Instead you choose to do nothing. They are the REAL facts.
@packoftwenty Lol, simple way to find out how the 'cult' is working mate - come down and see for your self. Maybe I am stupid - who knows? I keep offering you the chance to experience Aikido for yourself so perhaps I am stupid...'Deep' - certainly. 'Esoteric'? I've never found Aikido to be 'esoteric'. But as I've said several times to you, don't take my word for it - come and find out for yourself! Re your 'fat lazy arse' - stop slagging me off on a keyboard and come prove me wrong!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect those opinions. But at the end of the day the only true test of any self defence or fighting system is an unplanned attack. if you've internalised your martial art, whatever it is, you've a good chance of surviving the attack. If not you get your face filled in. It's as simple as that - no excuses can hide that fact. Videos prove nothing - as these videos of Mustard Sensei prove nothing about Aikido - and they were never intended to.
Why is it that all practitioners of 'Fake-ido' are brainwashed, dumb idiots? Why do they go to endless lengths to make excuses for their 'art' (cough, cough) which is obviously a pile of bullshit?
You ask them why their 'art' doesn't actually work in real life, and therefore why are they pissing away their lives learning something that is completely useless, and also dangerous, because it teaches them nothing like what happens in a real fight, and they make endless excuses...
@packoftwenty I've not made one excuse - I think that the extent of my posts have been:
1. To outline my background
2. To ask you to be more respectful
3. To give you the chance to experience aikido for yourself
I don't think that constitutes being a brainwashed, dumb idiot and making excuses by any reasonable definition. However you my friend, are exhbiting all the characteristics of a 'brainwashed dumb idiot', because you take things on face value, and refuse to experience things yourself.
@markaval "To ask you to be more respectful" = "Stop telling the truth about aikido being a load of shite"...
You haven't produced a single video of a single 'aikidoka' defending a REAL attack - i.e. defending against somebody with even halfway decent standup skills...
Instead you suggest that *I* should have to 'come down to Kent' and that will magically mean that aikido isn't a big fraud.
@packoftwenty I must have missed this 'enlightened' :-) comment. Truth ...that would be the truth about avoiding experiencing Aikido yourself and that you simply do not have the stomach to ....I was going to say 'put your money where your mouth is', but I've even offered to pay your fare so you're not out of pocket! But no doubt you're 'doing your hair' or someother half-arsed excuse that weekend. How else would you really find out if something is fake other than checking it out yourself?
@packoftwenty So you think you'd be able to knock Robert Mustard out in 5 seconds! Big words! I'm not getting into a philosophical debate with you about the merits of Aikido - I've asked two things of you:
1. Show some respect
2. Stop typing and come and give it your best shot!
If you are not going to come down to Kent, then please keep your opinions to yourself as talk is cheap.
@packoftwenty Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I see now. You enjoy criticising, but when given the opportunity to show that Aikido is 'Fake-ido' you conveniently avoid the offer. I am giving you the opportunity to come down to Kent and to prove to everyone out there that Aikido is fake! It's so OBVIOUSLY bullshit that you'll have no problem with any of us 'Fake'idoka' :-D You want psychology - come down and do some practical research! The question is can you put your body where your mouth is?
@markaval - How big of you - you've "given me the opportunity to come down to Kent" - that's nice of you. Am I supposed to drop everything in my life and go there? Some of us have other things to do.
My position is backed up by EVERY pathetic 'Fake-ido' video in existence, and the complete ABSENCE of a single video of a 'sensei' defending PROPER attacks... Why is that?
So will we see some footage of your 'boxing' (cough, cough) against 'master' Mustard? I could do with a laugh...
@packoftwenty :-D I've given you the opportunity to see Aikido 'up close and personal', rather than just rely on video for your life experiences. But like most people who talk the talk but can't walk the walk, you 'respectfully decline'. Whilst you might not like Aikido which is your opinion and you are entitled to it, I simply cannot understand why you slag off people you have never met. You take things on face value, and don't ask better questions, like 'WHY would they train like this?'
@markaval I've asked myself hundreds of times "WHY would they fall for this shite". So far you haven't ponied up ANY evidence to the contrary - that aikido isn't a load of bullshit. Never heard of the internet? Youtube? It's what people use to SHOW other people the real world... by videoing things... So video your 'sensei' (cough cough) defending against a PROPER attacker. I'm sure there are plenty of MMA fighters in the famous 'Kent' that you seem to be obsessed by...
@packoftwenty talking to you is like talking to a really slow child....I've given you the PERFECT vehicle for irrefutable evidence - YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE. You can't misinterpret Aikido if it's done on you - it will either work or it won't. I'm simply not interested in posting fights on Youtube - I'm a fan of experiencing stuff for myself. I'm not intersted in showing other people anything - I'm saying to you 'Go and experience it for yourself'. What bit of that sentence don't you understand?
@packoftwenty ....and why on earth would you want to see a video if you could come and give it rock all yourself - that way no one could accuse any video of being staged and choreographed. Videos my friend, prove jack shit. You want to find out something, get up off your lardy arse and come and experience it for yourself. But that would mean stepping out of your nice little comfort zone and having to face the fact that you might have misunderstood what Aikido is all about....
@markaval "Why on earth would you want to see a video if you could come"... blah blah blah.
Because I can watch a video without having to make any effort? Because I know there AREN'T any videos in existence of a single aikido 'master' defending a proper attack? Which you obviously know too?
I can slag off people "I have never met" because I can SEE they are frauds. Unfortunately, 'respectful' sheep like you can't.
@packoftwenty :-D I can't believe you actually wrote this drivel. So your justification for NOT doing something is because you think REALITY is based in videos? Following that logic, that should mean everything on TV/Cinema/Youtube is real? Wake up! If you want to test whether the 'master' is a fraud or not, you go up to him and punch him. Stop procrastinating! In Aikdio seeing isn't believing - FEELING is believing. Come give a 'proper' attack - but can you deal with what comes back?
@markaval More of the same excuses from a cult member...
Just show us ALL a VIDEO of your 'sensei' defending REAL attacks...
Nothing but excuses.
You STILL haven't explained why there isn't a single video in existence of an aikidoka defending REAL attacks.
Can you do that? Save us all some time? Do you expect me to spend an entire day of my spare time travelling to Kent? Why not just post up a video for EVERYBODY to see? Because you can't find one?
To anyone, whether they hate or like Aikido, I'm getting accused of offering nothing but excuses, but what I've done is anything BUT offer excuses! I've said to this person "come down and experience Aikido, at my expense, and give it your best shot - I'll even video it for you as it means that much to you!". Is that offering excuses by any standard? With packoftwenty starring in his own video he can tell the world about 'Fake-ido' up close and personal what more could he want? :-D
@markaval So you're saying that it's easier for ME to waste an entire day of my life (I don't have the time) to find out something you can do WHILE you're at your next aikido lesson? Presumably you are going to see Mustard soon? And can take along a video camera of some description and film YOURSELF attacking him properly? Oh, I forget - you never actually ATTACK your 'sensei', do you, in case your delusions are shattered when you connect with his nose...
@packoftwenty You don't have time to prove to yourself for once and for all whether Aikido works or not, but you find enough time to post about a hundred posts of why you THINK Aikido doesn't work. I've agreed to your request for a video - as long as you are in it. Even if I posted a vid you'd decry it as fake so what's the point. For you proof of pudding would be in the eating..its the only way you could be sure.
@markaval Duh. Posting a few times a night on the internet is a lot easier than wasting a day of my life travelling to Kent.
So I see that you still haven't explained why YOU can't just take a video of YOU actually attacking Mustard properly, and him defending it.
Why can't you address that simple issue?
Obviously it's EASIER for you to do that - which is why you laughably claim "it's not about being easier - it's about being right". Your lack of video evidence proves me right.
@packoftwenty couple of hours down on the train, quick visit to dojo, five seconds to go through a couple of Aikidoka to warm up, a minute to polish off Robert Mustard, back on the train before 11am, you can be home having a pint before final whistle! Then you could take the vid of your devasting evidence of Fake-ido and post for world to see in the evening. :-D It's not about being easier - it's about being right. Rather than THINKING you're right you could PROVE you are right...
@markaval ..or you can keep posting this inane drivel of Fake-ido blah blah Shitkido blah blah rubbish attacks blah blah cult members blah blah fraud blah blah video of attack blah blah 'it's just a demonstration' excuse blah blah actually pay money to be taught this bullshit blah blah.
I have a feeling I know exactly which option you are going to take :-D
For an even more amusing demonstration of the obvious FRAUD that is 'Fake-ido', watch 'the master' in action: search for "AIKIDO. Morihei Ueshiba demonstrates in 1960" - bloody hilarious. Don't tell me - "it's just a demonstration" bleat the 'Fake-ido' believers.
But they insist that it really, really works in real life, just that they "don't believe in fighting"... Snake oil.
I am very interested in the psychology of the numpties who actually pay money to be taught this bullshit.
As for Markaval - an idiot who has wasted his entire life on what is OBVIOUSLY a pile of bullshit, is bound to defend it, rather than admit what an idiot he has been... Is there a special screening process for students, to make sure that they don't actually know any standup? Why is it that all the 'Fake-ido' videos on Youtube are full of comments from people saying that it's a load of obvious bullshit? Morihei UeSHITa was a fraud, and Mustard is following in his footsteps...
@markaval - How very impressive. So presumably you can make a video of you trying to punch your 'sensei' in the face, and him somehow stopping you...
No, of course you can't, and you'll make up endless excuses to maintain your insane belief system...
Where is the footage of just ONE real attacker, attacking a 'Fake-ido' practitioner? Isn't it rather STRANGE that not one piece of such footage exists?
At 0:35, why doesn't the attacker use his other arm? Or his legs? Is that an unwritten rule in 'Fake-ido' - that you can only use one arm, and as soon as the 'sensei' (cough) touches it, all your other limbs become useless?
This is beyond a joke. Since 'Fake-ido' isn't a pile of shite, there should be loads of videos of 'senseis' (cough) actually defending PROPER attacks - you know, by people who actually have stand up skills? Funny how there isn't a SINGLE video of this in existence...
This is just so obviously bullshit, that I can't understand why ANYBODY would actually pay money to be 'taught' by an idiot like Mustard. Have these people never watched an MMA match? Does anybody ever attack like they do? I wonder where these so-called aikido 'masters' get their stuntmen from? Who would volunteer to go through such a charade, time after time, while feeding the ego of a tosser who can't fight to save his life?
@packoftwenty I have no problem with you having an opinion. But to disrespect someone you have never met, know nothing about, on the basis of watching a video on Youtube does you no credit at all. Re MMA - this argument is old and still as irrelevant. Charade? Come to Kent in October..please....it would be interesting just to see you stand in front of him. He's such a nice bloke he'd probably give you couple of free swings to give you a fighting chance...I'll even let you in for free...
Robert Mustard is hardly "very excellent", he can't fight shit, and we aren't SEEING him do anything useful - i.e. face a SKILLED attacker, who actually knows what stand up is. NOBODY attacks like this, so why do aikodobots always show this same old shit? Since NOBODY attacks like this, these techniques won't work in the real world, so what exactly is their purpose?
Morihie UeSHITa was an obvious fraud, and so many FRAUDS follow in his footsteps, as we can see in this video...
@packoftwenty Don't take my word for how good this man is - he's at the Dartford Judo Centre in Stone, Kent on 30-31 October.
Re the attacks - you are 100% right! But this is a means to an end - that is all. But you can punch him, kick him, do what you want how you want. It won't make the slightest bit of difference. And he'll certainly move a fair bit faster than he does in this demo! One way to find out if he is a fraud...come to Kent. Just be sure you know how to fall....
Markaval, have you ever seen Mustard spar? Real sparring between two skilled people, not "five of my students who have been conditioned to think I am Budo Jesus run at me and then pretend their knees have turned to pudding when they get close."
@wurblewurble Budo Jesus? Boy, have you got Robert Mustard wrong! His students respect him, not sure that is a crime! He has a number of students who have done multiple martial arts and they don't seem to have a problem with him. I personally have tried to belt him a couple of times - I didn't get very far. Don't judge Robert Mustard by a video. This is a demo - that is all. But the stuff you see here - he does this stuff for real. Looks fake - fake it ain't.
These guy doesn't seem to know how to take ukemi, I am sure the next day he had a lot of pain all over his body. He is very stiff when he takes break fall and he doesn't use the free arm, that makes is very hard fall... The bad thing is that this sensei doesn't seem to care, or may be he even enjoys it. The other possibility is that everybody else is even worst than that, in this case it would make sense.
@vladibo88 Does he get up wit all bits still attached to his body? Then there is nothing wrong with his ukemi!! And as for Mustard Sensei not caring ... lol!! I doubt very much whether you've ever been thrown as hard as this man can throw you and still get up smiling. These ukes are in survival mode here - as you would be if Mustard Sensei got hold of you :-) Try not to judge until you've experienced it.
@markaval If the guy is very tired and psychologically stressed it is natural that the techniques become not so good. If that's the case my apologies. But the fact remains that is is not correct ukemi. The way he is thrown doesn't matter. He should not fall like a bag of potatos. Aikido is about harmony. Sorry but there isn't much harmony in this video... If you want to see real aiido search YouTube for Christian Tissier.
@vladibo88 Sometimes you don't get any choice in the matter! With respect to Christian Tissier whose aikido is lovely to watch, he does not throw like Robert Mustard - different emphasis. His ukes have the time to do the lovely breakfalls. But if you look at Mustard Sensei throwing, for many throws he is putting uke about 6 inches in front of him - fast - there is no time for fancy breakfalls. These guys have to be able to adap - and they are good enough to do sot.
Look I'm a big fan of Ueshiba's philosophy, but but we're still waiting for one of these guys to show up at the Brazilian jiu-jitsu school and take down a 6 month white belt who's actually resisting. Aikido is an extremely advanced style that was developed by an (in my opinion) enlightened man. Since O-Sensei, I don't think one single other person has been able to use these techniques effectively. Certainly not on a high level judoka, BJJ guy, sambo guy, or wrestler. If I'm wrong, show me.
@Bluecollarchef You're looking at a bloke on this video who would be able to do what you ask. Resisting makes no difference (done that - hurts big time) - as long as your BJJ guy accepts that there are no rules. I do believe that Mustard Sensei has taught a number of seminars at Jiu Jitsu clubs and martial artists from various styles turn up to aikido seminars and go away with a different opinion of aikido. Still a lot of crap out there but this guy can do this stuff.
@markaval Judo throws work. If you don't believe me, what you can do is youtube judo and watch experts at the highest level executing these techniques effectively on other experts of the same rank and weight who are resisting (and counter-attacking) as hard as they can. I don't believe you. What can I do about it?
I'm glad people are practicing this art and preserving it's techniques and philosophies. But if you guys don't stop pretending you'll never really understand it.
@Bluecollarchef There is no pretending. I use judo falls myself and love judo as a martial art. I understand what you are saying but judo in many ways has similar emphasis as aikido - most effective application is in defence. Aikido is getting to the same place as other martial arts but just goes about it in a completely different way. This is what makes so many people critical of aikido - and it took me long time to get my head around too. It's just different that's all..
@Bluecollarchef A name I've seen bandied around in Jason Delucia - MMA fighter with Aikido background. Apparently he went round to the Gracies and offered them out :-) Got beaten three times but he had balls! Apparently he has an open-door offer at his dojo to anyone to come round and he'll fight them with Aikido. Unusual bloke in that he uses Aikido offensively. I think he meets your criteria in terms of being able to use Aikido techniques effectively on high level MAs.
this one looks more realistic than I have ever seen before. Mustard is a real man in aikido. People who doesn't believe in aikido have no experience of being asskicked by aikido masters.
@riisimees lol so true! Mustard Sensei is not interested in the slightest with fighting. Fighting is easy. Aikido at this level is subtle and most just don't see what is really going on. They see a big man and assume he's a bully, smashing his ukes to pulp. The truth is there is very little arm strength used, and once he gets hold of you your body is locked up and you are stuffed - before he's done anything! He then moves you to where you are weak and then he turns using his hips - not arms
good aikido , but on the street ? the tai sabaki in the tatami is ok , but with shoes on the road or land?I have experience in this situations, the feet do not slip!!! you fall !! and.....KO!! AIKIDO? ...only In the dojo.I'm sorry
@roninchess then lift your feet up! Learn the form, make it part of you, then put it to one side and move on. Who says you always need to move your feet to do Aikido? Big movements and big circles for training, tiny circles to use it for real. Foot sliding on mat is to ensure students generate their power with back leg and to learn to use hips and front knee correctly. Once you've got that it doesn't matter if your foot is on the ground or not. Don't take everything literally!!!
@wurblewurble when you learn how to control your opponents entire body through a wrist lock and force them into submission or risk injury. the wrist is extremely fragile and can be used to move someones entire upper body and core or risk injury. it looks silly cuz it happens very quickly but study martial arts books, especially kung fu if you think it is BS.
At a basic level this is true Tyler, but Sensei Mustard is not really doing anything to the wrist - he's controlling uke's shoulder, which breaks his balance and this is what is actually responsible for the throw. The wrist is simply the point of application. You can slam it on the wrist but it is really missing the point. If you need to slam it on the wrist you've not broken the attackers balance. This is why wrists get broken - it becomes about strength, which is not really the aim.
lol actually that IS quite an advanced technique, but it comes from a powerful torque of the hips while in kamae. Uke's hand is still on Shte's dogi so the force of the torque is enough to throw uke. it requires very precise form and a lot of training to get good at. I tried it (I'm only 9th kyu) and it was barely enough force to force uke into a walk. Also I can't wait to go to the seminar Mustard Sensei is holding at our dojo!
If you're making a pulling motion with your hips strong enough to fling a person around, he'd probably just, you know, let go of your jacket. But in aikido that wouldn't be following the script.
well in aikido you're not supposed to let someone grab your jacket, you are holding them, usually from a fragile part of the body such as the wrist, even a finger, and make them risk self injury by resisting you.
Simple response - No. Nothing to do with faking/following script. This is simple biomechanics. And Mustard Sensei is doing everything in this demo very, very slowly. You'd be amazed at how hard it is to do anything when shoulder is locked... and it's not a pull - it's a push motion. Training partner is not resisting - could do if they wanted but that is not the point here. Wouldn't make any difference if they did. I've trained with this man and there is nothing fake about him.
Except no one is going to lose his balance because he grabbed a guy's shoulder or collar and the guy then turned suddenly. It generally takes actual grappling to do that to someone, not aikido.
In a fight your attacks have to have intent - otherwise opponent has no need to defend. Intent = energy. It is not 'magic' - simple biomechanics. Aim in nearly all Aikido is to control the shoulder. Control and manipulate the attacker's shoulder and they're in big trouble. To understand this you have to forget 'normal fighting rules'. Rule number 1 in a fight is 'don't play to the attackers strengths'. Easier to say than do, but when you 'get it' the results are very effective.
Why dont you actually gain some knowledge of something before dismissing it as fake you idiot. Iv done martial arts half my life and the last year i spent it doing Aikido and it is not fake. Try fighting back against any of the locks put on you by someone who does Aikido and thats the real deal.
No, it's fake. The flip has nothing to do with it. He loses his balance in the first place because he flings himself at the "master" and allows himself to be thrown. Sorry, but if you train with the assumption that your attacker will heave his weight at you like a drunk in a Buster Keaton film, you will be in trouble when you try to throw someone who isn't allowing it.
@wurblewurble This is a training demo showing 'training way' not 'fighting way'. You really would not want to be on the end of this guy if things got serious. Aim here is to train together not to fight - but ukes are not jumping for anyone. I've trained with Mustard Sensei for about five years now and I can tell you that you can resist as much as you want, it doesn't matter; you are going down - hard! His skill level is hard to appreciate on video, you have to feel it to understand.
@markaval You are a douchebag of the highest order. A cult member. Of course an idiot like you who has wasted an astonishing five years of his life with a con man, is going to defend his own stupidity to the hilt, rather than admit he is wrong. Aikido is bullshit, UeSHITa was a blatant fraud who couldn't fight shit, and Mustard is exactly the same.
How convenient that he "is not interested in the slightest with fighting" - because he can't bloody fight, you douchebag.
@packoftwenty 'Douchebag' - well, that's a new one! 'Cultist' - that's a new one too! Robert Mustard calls me 'a stubborn son of a bitch'. Not usual language for deity, and not usual behaviour from a hero-worshipper! If training with Robert Mustard is wasting time I want to waste more of it! Don't take 'not interested in fighting' to mean 'can't fight'. First rule of combat - don't underestimate your opponent, especially if you know jack shit about him and even less about what he does...
@packoftwenty ...you see, Aikido is not really about fighting (although it can be used to fight). Me, I used to LOVE fighting. If I wanted to fight now I'd do BJJ, Karate or one of a dozen offensive arts. But aikido is really difficult and a challenge - it's a challenge to take someone down without fighting or using your arm strength. think it's easy? Try it. Aikido is not everyone's cup of tea - but don't dismiss it because it doesn't fit your idea of a martial art.
@markaval Nobody fights like that. Is Robert Mustard your boyfriend or something? There are always idiots who will follow snake oil salesmen, and defend their (dumbass) decisions to the hilt...
Why aren't there ANY videos of 'aikidoka' actually defending PROPER attacks?
Hmmm....
Even I, with no training whatsoever, would be able to break Mustard's nose in about five seconds.
Enlighten me- show me your boyfriend defending just ONE proper attack.
@packoftwenty Lol, obviously respect is a concept alien to you. You see mate, I went to a seminar with Mustard Sensei fairly sceptical. I resisted this man with every single piece of strength I had. It didn't make a blind bit of difference. Look up a guy called Nicholas Pettas. Like you he did not believe Aikido could work and said so on TV. International karate and kick boxing champion. Unlike you he got off his arse and found out for himself - he changed his mind - on TV.
Definitely not. In fact Mustard Sensei gets the right hump if uke falls over for no reason. There's nothing wrong with resisting, but that's not what Aikido training is all about - it's about blending. This concept is fairly unique in martial arts and I understand why people like you say the things that you do.. Best thing you could ever do would be to go find Mustard Sensei and give him your best shot - you'd quickly realise why these guys don't resist - it hurts ALOT more...
Very advanced! This technique is about maintaining connection, and this is very hard to do - especially when someone is trying to punch your lights out. It's amazing how often in a fight people grab the front of a shirt,normally to follow up with a head butt or a punch. I've tried to punch Mustard Sensei full in the face doing this and ended up nearly dislocating my shoulder. Get the technique timing wrong though and you'd best be able to do something else very quickly :-)
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0841806 1 week ago
this is stupid. and i dont mean the video because its great. what i mean is people saying that this isnt a real martial art when, for 1 thing it hurts like fuck and the sensai gives them their arm because its safer to practice with and he is less likely to break there arm. imagine for running towards someone and grab their adn then flipping you over or doing some of the other things they did in the video; that means there is a greater force because of the run up, therefore its more dangerous.
MonkeyMattySmith 2 months ago
People don't really take this crap serious right?
xdrummerxcorex 3 months ago
Ah, excellent video. I'd always heard of the mysterious "Let Me Run Up To You, Here Let Me Give You My Arm, Maybe My Hand, Yes, Please, Toss Me Around While I Don't Resist" martial art, but I'd never seen it before. All this time it's been cleverly disguised as 'Aikido'....
Hey...wait a minute....
GinXYZ 3 months ago 2
great
dynamic2011numberone 4 months ago
this isnt jiyu waza
Patrick97037 5 months ago
Mustard is one of the top western Aikido masters that there is. He learned the real style of Aikido-Yoshinkan. Not the flowery rubbish that passes for Aikido today.
Unless you learn Yoshinkan or Iwama style, you are wasting your time.
Markaval if you have read the brilliant book: ANGRY WHITE PYJAMAS by Robert Twigger. Twigger can't even stand Mustard as a teacher but he does respect his ability as an Aikido teacher.
zakalon123 5 months ago
that floor looks hard
nickstace1 6 months ago
Nice video! One of the best aikido instructors practising today! Wish I was based in Canada. They have some fantastic aikido and jiu jitsu instructors and schools.
utubesqueeze 7 months ago
it is no good for the body to stop and than excelleratate that harsh moves. Nevertheless good techniques
urbanmammoth 11 months ago
@urbanmammoth I don't think you get the purpose of why this has been executed this way. At any single point during the technique uke is (i) off balance (ii) unable to defend themselves effectively (iii) being controlled. Doing techniques quickly just hides technical flaws. Slow it right down - if you can still adhere to the principles then you're on to something. There is nothing harsh here. Get on the mat with this man and then come back and write about your experience.....
markaval 10 months ago
@markaval I have done Aikido for quite some time and my opinion is still that you dont almost stop a move to go as fast as lighning a flash of a second later. that is no good for the body. It would be ok if the whole thechnique would be shown slow, the last part he is a crap teacher for show reasons who does not care about the health of his trainees. Sorry, that was not meant to offend you mate.
urbanmammoth 10 months ago
@urbanmammoth No offence taken, but just because Mustard Sensei does something different to what you might do, doesn't make is crap, or him a crap teacher. These ukes have trained with him for years and he knows exactly what they can and can't take. In terms of caring for the health of his students, you will rarely find someone who cares more! and although there is acceleration in the final part of execution, I can promise you there is no arm strength or 'harshness' as you describe it :-D
markaval 10 months ago 2
@urbanmammoth Just out of interest, how long is 'for quite some time'?
markaval 10 months ago
Just amazing!!
yamaben2 1 year ago
I am baffled by all these comments. Has no one noticed that all of the white belt level techniques are in every self-defense program available? I studied Aikido for almost 2 years until I took up Filipino Martial Arts and my Aikido training proved invaluable to me. Just about every trap involved includes some level of Aikido in it.
Now on topic, no one can appreciate what it takes to master what Sensei Robert has except one who has studied Aikido. Watching him display his training is amazing
cloudstone123 1 year ago
@cloudstone123 He's real showstopper! Did you know he was in a movie?
CosmoShidan 1 year ago
Mustard Sensei is a phenomenal teacher and I've been fortunate to attend a couple of his seminars - and hope to do so a lot more in the future.
Heteroskedastic 1 year ago
One of the issues with watching demos of Aikido is that you're seeing things at dojo speed. You could try to resist, fight or whatever but you're going down when receiving techniques from someone of Mustard Sensei's calibre. The attacker moves around, looking compliant, because if he doesn't his arm is going to break, he'll dislocate his shoulder or break an elbow - whatever. Aikido is harmony between the attacker and defender if you went full out there'd be no one to train with.
Heteroskedastic 1 year ago 2
Another comment from the Bullshido forums:
"Hi Christopher,
I appreciate you coming at this with an open mind, and letting little Sirc come play at your school. I've seen enough video of aikido demos that have compliant attackers, do you have any video of you guys, or any other aikido guys, working aikido techniques with resistance? Full speed?"
Funny that, I've been asking myself the same question for years...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
"I know these words will frustrate you but and i know how you feel cause ive been there buts its a make beleive art, your being conned. I cant tell you how bad i felt when i found out the truth, wasted so many years."
Sound familiar, Markaval? Just somebody talking about another load of BULLSHIDO...
So I take it you aren't going to show us any videos of your 'sensei' actually defending REAL attacks?
Because NOBODY fights like this in real life...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Lol, I have to hand it to you mate. You are a genius - for the stating the f&*^%ing obvious! Nobody fights like this - No Shit Sherlock! And NEWS FLASH - this isn't fighting! And it doesn't profess to be! How many times, in how many different ways do you need to be told?
As for the other comments - I've answered them all at least half a dozen times. So stop asking the same old questions!!
markaval 1 year ago
"As for your statement that youve never seen anybody flying across a room without being touched, I have. It was in a seminar and Three of the higher black belts fell over about 30 feet away from 'master chusan' without pete even moving. It wasnt long after that i left. Green belt in two years quick? I was a brown in two and about a month from black in 2 and thre quarters and i wasnt alone."
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty There IS crap Aikido (I believe I've said that many times too on a number of different posts). This sounds like crap to me too. So we agree on something. Re belts - I'm a white belt and I've been studying Yoshinkan Aikido for about three years - I don't give two tosses about the colour of belts; it's what you can DO that counts...belts are there to hold your pants up...
markaval 1 year ago
"Bullshidoka Argument #1 - Demanding that we train with or under the subject of the investigation before we make any conclusions about his claims.
Counter - An experienced martial artist can make reasonable judgments about someone else's level of skill or expertise. Although first hand experience is effective, informed judgments can be drawn from video clips and other media. This may not stand alone as conclusive proof of anything, but it can be a factor that raises the red flag of bullshido."
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty That's your opinion - that's fine. A guy called Nicholas Pettas, karate and kick boxing champion, looked at Aikido for a TV show he did (you can find it on Youtube). He looked at video and said pretty much what you've said - it's all fake and he didn't believe it. Then he got off his arse and went to the Aikido dojos and then said on TV that there is a lot more to Aikido than there seems. He is experienced martial artist and he admitted he got it wrong.....lesson there maybe?
markaval 1 year ago
0:55 - Oh look - the vulcan shoulder lock!
"To be honest, you bore the tits off me. As I've said repeatedly - I'm not going to - nor am I even trying - to explain anything to you because you are too ignorant to understand."
EPIC FAIL...
You haven't got any videos to show us aikido WORKING, so you're making excuses... Everybody can see. They can see this EPIC FAIL of a video too...
Why can't you post up a video of YOU attacking Bastard Sensei properly?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty This isn't an attack in the way you assume it is. It is a training method - that is all. The principle is exactly the same against a 'real' attack but this isn't trying to portray a real attack. It's about redirecting energy of an attack. The only way you would 'get' it is if you felt it. Then you would understand. It is absolutely useless trying to explain it. As for me attacking Mustard Sensei 'for real' - you'd only say it was fake so what would be the point!
markaval 1 year ago
0:35 - care to explain what's happening there, Markaval? Did the 'Uke' lose the use of his left arm? And both his legs?
Any videos of Bastard Sensei catching a punch with his hands? Why not?
It gets more laughable every time I watch it.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty The other guy is not trying to hit Mustard Sensei - this is simply an exercise is redirecting force ('simply' is not quite the right word as it is bloody hard to do). This is not trying to show anything remotely to do with fighting.
Re 'catching punches' - why would he try and catch a moving object? Why not go for the object that doesn't move....namely, the shoulder. Only an idiot tries to catch a punch. Try it - it usually ends up with you getting a broken nose.
markaval 1 year ago
And for those newcomers to this discussion, apparently Markaval thinks it's easier for me to spend an entire day (and his money) travelling to Kent, than for him to simply take a camcorder to his next aikido class and film Bastard Sensei defending a real attack...
Care to explain why that is, Markaval? (Cue the usual excuses and obfuscation)
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty I'll let those who read forums like this make up their own minds. To be honest, you bore the tits off me. As I've said repeatedly - I'm not going to - nor am I even trying - to explain anything to you because you are too ignorant to understand. I love the martial art I do. You hate it. That's fine. I prefer to get off my arse and do. You are just a talker. That's fine too. I've made you an offer. You've 'declined'. That's also fine. Let's leave it at that.
markaval 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Because as you have an opinion, so do I - or is that not a valid reason? And my opinion is that there is no substitute for actual experience. but that is just my opinion, that is all. Or do you count my opinion as nothing more than an 'excuse and obfuscation'? For some reason I keep responding to your posts - as you've inferred before, I probably AM stupid. But I keep hoping that maybe - just maybe - you'll look at an alternative point of view and not just jump to conclusions
markaval 1 year ago
"If you have been to a Sensei Mustard seminar before you may have seen him withstand up to 10 Uke pushing him while he is in Kamae, or being able to walk forward whilst up to 10 Uke pull him from his belt."
Any video of this 'amazing' feat, Markaval? I'm sure you would like the whole world to see it, right?
Gee, I wonder if the fools who actually pay Bastard sensei money for his classes were afraid to pull properly on their 'master's' belt, in case their delusion was shattered...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
Look up "Jacques Payet 5º Dan Aikido" on Youtube - now that is even more hilarious than Bastard Sensei! Talk about being 'light on his feet', Payet, positively prances around the dojo, he's almost skipping along, picking petals off a flower!
More bullshido from the 'masters' (of fraud)...
Still waiting for ONE video of an aikidoka defending a REAL attack, but apparently that's far more difficult for markaval to supply, than it is for me to waste an entire day of my (very busy) life...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
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Let me repeat it, so everybody can see what Markaval is avoiding:
You can't even begin to explain why Mustard is wasting people's time defending attacks WHICH NEVER HAPPEN in real life, in this video. Why is he doing this? Do you have any answers?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
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"5 Uke lined up, front to back and lightly pushed each other, Sensei Mustard then used Iriminage to send his energy through the first Uke, through the line, to the last Uke, who was then projected backwards and ended up on the floor."
Any video of these 'amazing' feats, markaval? Sounds just like that other fraud, UeSHITa, doesn't it...
As I said - why isn't there a SINGLE video in existence of an 'aikidoka' defending a REAL attack?
Any answers, Markaval? It's a simple question...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
These are the comments that are presumably the reason why Markaval posted up eight (or whatever) huge comments to push them off the page...
"If you have been to a Sensei Mustard seminar before you may have seen him withstand up to 10 Uke pushing him while he is in Kamae, or being able to walk forward whilst up to 10 Uke pull him from his belt. This is always impressive to witness, however, whilst demonstrating the concepts of Iriminage, he achieved an even more impressive demonstration… "
packoftwenty 1 year ago
Yes, "Aikido has a lot to offer", just that there doesn't happen to exist a SINGLE video showing it actually being used to defend a REAL attack...
As usual, Markaval has avoided my simple questions, which he cannot answer...
I'm not spending an entire day of my life just to prove a point. Everybody watching EVERY aikido video on Youtube can see waht a pile of shite it is...
You are typical of the douchebags who do 'aikido' Markaval, I am not in the least surprised...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@markaval oh yeah of course- well I did Kung Fu when I was little and Ju Jitsu as a teen and Martial Arts in general interest me and I think the throws and such in Aikido look incredible- and its like you said about that bouncer- I like the fact that it seems to be less about size and more about technique
Gregyo 1 year ago
@Gregyo Good to hear that you have martial arts experience - it gives you a solid base from which to make sound assessment and judgement. Aikido is very difficult and takes time - I'll tell you that right up front. If you want to fight someone then pick another martial art! But if you want to learn how to neutralise attacks, manipulate and control the attacker, and generally just do something the other guy won't expect, then Aikido has a lot to offer. If you want any info then just PM me.
markaval 1 year ago
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Let me repeat it, so everybody can see what Markaval is avoiding:
You can't even begin to explain why Mustard is wasting people's time defending attacks WHICH NEVER HAPPEN in real life, in this video. Why is he doing this? Do you have any answers?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Lol, I'm avoiding nothing mate. I'm not trying to justify anything to anyone else - I just want you in a dojo and see if you can do as much in real life as you type on here. If you can you'll be able to kick my arse up and down Kent with no problems whatsover. I don't need to explain what Robert Mustard does and how he does it - I'm quite happy with the validity of his training methods. The real answers you want my friend are on the mat, stood opposite me, giving it your best shot
markaval 1 year ago
Look up "Jacques Payet 5º Dan Aikido" on Youtube - now that is even more hilarious than Bastard Sensei! Talk about being 'light on his feet', Payet, positively prances around the dojo, he's almost skipping along, picking petals off a flower!
More bullshido from the 'masters' (of fraud)...
Still waiting for ONE video of an aikidoka defending a REAL attack, but apparently that's far more difficult for markaval to supply, than it is for me to waste an entire day of my (very busy) life...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
"5 Uke lined up, front to back and lightly pushed each other, Sensei Mustard then used Iriminage to send his energy through the first Uke, through the line, to the last Uke, who was then projected backwards and ended up on the floor."
Any video of these 'amazing' feats, markaval? Sounds just like that other fraud, UeSHITa, doesn't it...
Gee... I wonder if Bastard Sensei actually defended a REAL attack! Now that WOULD be amazing, wouldn't it!
No mention of that though...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
"If you have been to a Sensei Mustard seminar before you may have seen him withstand up to 10 Uke pushing him while he is in Kamae, or being able to walk forward whilst up to 10 Uke pull him from his belt. This is always impressive to witness, however, whilst demonstrating the concepts of Iriminage, he achieved an even more impressive demonstration… " cont.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty God yes, you're right!! Everyone colluded to make Mustard Sensei look good! How could I have been so blind? I mean no one could possibly do this stuff so it HAS to be fake! And there was me thinking that he was demonstrating posture and body positioning.....I'm mortified I didn't spot that he was really demonstrating some demented form of static fighting....
markaval 1 year ago
So I looked up the 'amazing' Jo Thambu and couldn't find a single video of him defending a REAL attack either... Now there's a surprise! Ask Bas Rutten what he says about fights with drunks... (i.e. that they don't count as 'wins' as far as he is concerned...)
Where is all the EVIDENCE? Of course, as a fake-ido practitioner, you don't worry about minor things like that, too busy lying with your 'friends' at the dojo... and paying to be lied to, too...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Oh well, obviously bouncers never have to deal with 'real fights' - silly me! What do these guys DO all weekend?! Unless they've been in the octagon then the way they earn their living obviously has no legitimacy - how could I have been so stupid! Thanks for waking me up to reality!!! I mean, twenty years of dealing with the good, the bad and the ugly in pubs and clubs is obviously all fake and he's never had anyone throw a punch at him.....god, I've been deluded all this time!
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval No video evidence, I see... All talk and nothing else.
So why doesn't Joe Thambu demonstrate how to defend against REAL attacks then?
Any answers? Of course not.
Watch another 'master' here: nGCTRQWA9iY
Jacques Payet. That is beyond embarrassing. Words fail me. Why would anybody participate in such bullshit.
No answers from you still, markaval, I see...
Not one video to show that aikido isn't a total waste of time...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Oh another revelation of a post! God, I've seen the light! Packoftwenty you are truly amazing! How could I have ever doubted that you aren't just a windbag?
The answers are all there in my posts mate - you just choose not to see them - because the reality of the dojo is a damned site more painful than the comfort of watching a vid on your PC. That's fine, and that's your choice. But please don't try and justify your cowardice with your so-called arguments.
markaval 1 year ago
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Let me repeat it, so everybody can see what Markaval is avoiding:
You can't even begin to explain why Mustard is wasting people's time defending attacks WHICH NEVER HAPPEN in real life, in this video. Why is he doing this? Do you have any answers?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Lol, I'm avoiding nothing mate. I'm not trying to justify anything to anyone - I just want to get you in a dojo and see if you can do as much in real life as you type on here. If you can you'll be able to kick my arse up and down Kent with no problems whatsover. I don't need to explain what Robert Mustard does and how he does it - I'm quite happy with the validity of his training methods. The answers you seek my friend are on the mat, stood opposite me, giving it your best shot.
markaval 1 year ago
Just film yourself at your next sparring session, not difficult at all, you are going there anyway, then put it up on Youtube, and it will be an overnight sensation!
"First time ever - aikidoka actually defends against REAL attack! Somebody who isn't holding their arm out like a douchebag! Somebody who actually maintains the use of their three OTHER limbs while their hand is grabbed."
Or maybe not. Because aikido doesn't work, as you well know.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
Excuse after excuse from Markaval...
What are you talking about - "back on the train before 11am". Yeah, sure, I'll just reorganise my life because you can't take a camcorder with you to your next training session.
Can you explain why?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Lol, I'm not the one slagging off the integrity of a martial art or the people who choose to practice that art. You are. Therefore, logically, it is not unreasonable for someone (namely me) to turn round to you and say 'Ok, mate, you think you've got a point - come prove it yourself'. That's not offering excuses - that's called offering an opportunity. And isn't it just a tad of an exageration to equate taking a day out (at my expense) as 'reorganising' your life? :-D
markaval 1 year ago
@packoftwenty YAWN.... sorry...did you say something? Oh, as usual, nothing interesting... it was your usual boring regurgitated vitriol and slagging off something you have zero experience about. I've already given you the offer of starring in your own proving-it's-fake Aikido video but you conveniently forget to mention that in your reams of drivel. Kick me, beat me, hey, even kill me - but please, please, PLEASE just stop BORING me!
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval More of the same... you're really showing your true 'aikido' colours - i.e. that of a serial liar... just like all the other fakes who participate in this crap.
Why isn't there a SINGLE video of an aikidoka defending a REAL attack?
WHY can't you answer that simple question? Everybody on Youtube can see the truth - it's all bullshido and doesn't actually work.
Surely it should be easy for you to prove me wrong by posting up a video of an aikidoka defending a REAL attack?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty God, you've gone and done it again! You're 100% right - I've been lying to myself for years and my life is all a fraud! How could I have been so stupid as not to base my entire life and knowledge on Youtube videos? God I'm such a fool!! And how could I be so stupid as to offer someone the chance to prove something themselves when all I had to do is post a video of me fighting on Youtube! Oh, I've been such an idiot......I must give up Aikido right this second....
markaval 1 year ago
So come on Markaval, explain to us all why you can't just take a camcorder to your next aikido lesson and film yourself (or maybe somebody who actually has some good standup skills, LOL) attacking Mustard and we can see how amazing his defences are. Start with some decent leg kicks, then jabs, then we'll see how 'fake-ido' works. Until you actually provide evidence of it working against the attacks that 99.999% of people experience in real life, it's a waste of time. Isn't it.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
For laughable footage of UeSHITA, search Youtube for "AIKIDO. Morihei Ueshiba demonstrates in 1960" - then search for "Kyuzo Mifune" and watch a REAL martial arts master - whose students strangely enough don't engage in stupid 'fall guy' manouevres or unrealistic attacks...
All 'aikidoka' are frauds, all their students know it, so what on earth possesses these people? They sure hate the truth being revealed about their 'art', don't they...
Still waiting for ONE real attack...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
ps Markaval, this video and all the other videos of Fake-ido prove my point, including all the ones of the oldest fake of all, UeSHITa...
So how did you come to this state of self delusion? Why would you choose such an obviously pointless waste of time?
Don't you think people would actually want to study fake-ido if you showed videos of how to defend REAL attacks?
So what is the point of all this? Learning how to defend against attacks which NEVER happen? Brilliant?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
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dac639 1 year ago
I'd love to give it a go- however I think its pretty impressive regardless of whether or not it sustain real attacks (which I think it can) - it seems to be a lot about centre of gravity and he's so quick!
Gregyo 1 year ago
@Gregyo Anybody can be 'quick' when they are facing trained fall guys who never actually attack.
Have you never watched an MMA bout? Have you EVER seen anybody EVER attacking like the two douches in this video?
In other words, what is the point of demonstrating how to defend attacks WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN?
Hmmm....
And still no explanation from Markaval why there isn't a single video of an aikidoka defending a PROPER attack, in existence...
Why is that Markaval?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty I do believe I posted you a good number of links that weren't actually half bad - or did you forget those? Maybe not MMA standard, but not bad all the same. Whereas Robert Mustard would leave you in one piece, those Real Aikido guys will happily rip your arm off and stuff it down your throat. Not what I do Aikido for, but each to their own and I respect their skill. So please, if you are going to make a statement about what I do/don't say, then at least get it right.
markaval 1 year ago
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@markaval "those Real Aikido guys will happily rip your arm off and stuff it down your throat. "- More threats as usual, from a 'peaceful' 'aikidoka'...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty ? who said anything about being peaceful? I'm trying to learn to relax and develop good posture, and throw without using arm strength. But peaceful? Not me. And the context of the Real Aikido reference was perfectly clear - it had nothing to do with making threats,and everything to do with your incorrect post that there are no realistic attacks defended by Aikido on Youtube. Please refer to things in context - it only makes you look more silly than you already do :-)
markaval 1 year ago
@packoftwenty and look up a guy called Jo Thanbu. He's been a bouncer for decades - 7th Dan Yoshinkan, trained under same Yoshinkan masters as Robert Mustard. Five foot nothing and 120 pounds dripping wet, dealing with drunks and thugs all his adult life using Aikido. But of course, Aikido doesn't work in the 'real' world...oh, and did I mention that Jo Thanbu runs a bouncer training school in Australia? Teaching bouncers Aikido-based self defence...you know... the art that doesn't work..
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval Duh - then show us some VIDEO of Jo Thanbu defending REAL attacks.
And then explain why you don't have ANY videos of ANY aikidoka defending REAL attacks.
You can't even begin to explain why Mustard is wasting people's time defending attacks WHICH NEVER HAPPEN in real life, in this video. Why is he doing this? Do you have any answers? (Apart from that you are a cult member...)
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@Gregyo It's up to you fellah. You can either listen to the arguments of people like packoftwenty, who choose to base their arguments and life experience on video on Youtube. Or you can find a good club and go an experience it for yourself. It may not be your cup of tea - no probs, there are a dozen other martial arts out there. But please do not be swayed by this primary school standard of reasoning about the validity of Aikido. You won't 'get' Aikido by watching Youtube vids..
markaval 1 year ago
Any explanations of what is happening at 1:00ish onwards? Who attacks like that?
NOBODY.
So what is being 'demonstrated' here? Except that Bastard Sensei can't demonstrate how to deal with REAL attacks?
So what is the point? What are you doing by learning how to defend against something which will never happen?
And once again I ask - why isn't there ONE piece of footage of an aikidoka defending a REAL attack?
Hmmm.....
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty u want footage of aikido against REAL attacks.... search up some videos of riot police in hand to hand combat u should be able to find some intrasting pins and trows : ) (I am not sure that aikido is mandatory for all the riot police but it sure is in japan and lots of other countries)
ps:
jamdunker123 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Do you know what, I'll even pay for your trainfare down to Kent personally. So to summarise:
1. I'm offering to pay for your train fare
2. I'm offering to let you into the October seminar for free
3. I'm giving you the opportunity to come and experience Aikido for yourself and prove for once and for all to your own satisfaction whether Aikido is fake or not.
Now you can do one of two things:
1. Take up my offer
2. Shut the f£&k up
Which will it be?
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval "Shut the f£&k up" how very 'enlightened' of you...
I'll tell you what - I'll save you a load of money, and a load of MY time - just post up a SINGLE video of Bastard Sensei defending a REAL attack...
Can't do that? Why not?
I'll make it even easier for you. Post up a SINGLE video of ANY aikidoka defending REAL attacks, from anybody with decent standup skills....
Can't do that?
I don't have time to spend travelling to Kent. How do you know which country I live in?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Lol, I'm many things but enlightened isn't one of them. Seeing as video evidence is so important to you I'll do as you ask - I'll post a video on Youtube - of you attacking Aikidoka with your 'real world' attacks. That way you'll be 100% sure in your own mind that the attacks are authentic and that the video isn't choreographed. That way it's a win-win: you get your video and I get to see the look on your face as you look up your own arse :-D
markaval 1 year ago
Just to rip into this bullshit a bit more - what exactly is the point of what is being 'demonstrated' at 1:00? Nobody 'attacks' by running slightly past their opponent with their bloody hand out. So why do we see this 'attack' (cough cough) over and over again, since it's TOTALLY POINTLESS?
Because this is the sort of blatant bullshit that aikido is about, that's why.
How does Bastard Sensei defend against a decent leg kick? Has he ever experienced one? It's beyond a joke.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
Perhaps Markaval can explain why the 'attackers' are only allowed to use one limb throughout... Maybe because when you are actually attacking somebody, you don't just allow them to hold your hand, you punch them in the face with the other?
As Mike Tyson said - everybody has a plan, until they get punched in the face.
Can we see some footage of that please?
Oh, I forgot - aikido isn't for that, how convenient...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty To use boxing analogy "if you want to learn to slip a jab, don't throw hooks".
You are 100% right with Tyson's quote - But this clip is not trying to demonstrate fighting and it's not trying to teach fighitng. Re being 'allowed' to use limb - true test of technique is to be able to do it slowly and for attacker not to be able to move/attack - that's bloody hard. Mustard Sensei would not have problem if u decided to try and lamp him but you'd best be prepared to take consequences!
markaval 1 year ago
In short, one asks one's self - what is the PURPOSE of this 'demonstration'? All we see are two 'fall guys' who haven't a clue how to fight, pretending to 'attack' somebody who couldn't defend himself in a REAL fight - i.e. against somebody who is actually trying to attack him properly.
What's the point of displaying endless 'defences' against attacks that NEVER happen in the real world? Nobody attacks like these two douchebags. So what's the point?
I'm sure our 'ex soldier' will tell us...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty No, this 'ex soldier' is bored with trying to get some numbnuts to come and experience this stuff for himself. I've given you an option - several times - but you choose to ignore it. I could type till the cows come home but you would't accept what I have to say. That's your perogative. But what will NEVER happen in the REAL world is for you to get off your lazy fat arse, go to a Yoshinkan Dojo and give it your best shot. Oh, and put it on video of course :-)
markaval 1 year ago
@packoftwenty whilst you superficially ask questions, what you don't do is then research them properly to find out the real answer. Like all bad science you take what little evidence you've bothered to gather and made it fit your preconceived theory. If you REALLY wanted to find out the answer you'd get off your arse, visit a few Yoshinkan Aikido dojos and try and put your theories about the validity of Aikido into practice. Instead you choose to do nothing. They are the REAL facts.
markaval 1 year ago
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@markaval "get off your lazy fat arse"... How very 'enlightened' of you, yet again...
How's that 'cult' working for you, markaval? Don't like other people 'dissing' your 'guru'? Too stupid to think for yourself?
Why didn't you explain what is being 'demonstrated' at 1:00? It's beyond ridiculous.
(Don't tell me, there is some 'deep' and 'esoteric' meaning to it all... of course.)
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Lol, simple way to find out how the 'cult' is working mate - come down and see for your self. Maybe I am stupid - who knows? I keep offering you the chance to experience Aikido for yourself so perhaps I am stupid...'Deep' - certainly. 'Esoteric'? I've never found Aikido to be 'esoteric'. But as I've said several times to you, don't take my word for it - come and find out for yourself! Re your 'fat lazy arse' - stop slagging me off on a keyboard and come prove me wrong!
markaval 1 year ago
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect those opinions. But at the end of the day the only true test of any self defence or fighting system is an unplanned attack. if you've internalised your martial art, whatever it is, you've a good chance of surviving the attack. If not you get your face filled in. It's as simple as that - no excuses can hide that fact. Videos prove nothing - as these videos of Mustard Sensei prove nothing about Aikido - and they were never intended to.
markaval 1 year ago
Why is it that all practitioners of 'Fake-ido' are brainwashed, dumb idiots? Why do they go to endless lengths to make excuses for their 'art' (cough, cough) which is obviously a pile of bullshit?
You ask them why their 'art' doesn't actually work in real life, and therefore why are they pissing away their lives learning something that is completely useless, and also dangerous, because it teaches them nothing like what happens in a real fight, and they make endless excuses...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty I've not made one excuse - I think that the extent of my posts have been:
1. To outline my background
2. To ask you to be more respectful
3. To give you the chance to experience aikido for yourself
I don't think that constitutes being a brainwashed, dumb idiot and making excuses by any reasonable definition. However you my friend, are exhbiting all the characteristics of a 'brainwashed dumb idiot', because you take things on face value, and refuse to experience things yourself.
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval "To ask you to be more respectful" = "Stop telling the truth about aikido being a load of shite"...
You haven't produced a single video of a single 'aikidoka' defending a REAL attack - i.e. defending against somebody with even halfway decent standup skills...
Instead you suggest that *I* should have to 'come down to Kent' and that will magically mean that aikido isn't a big fraud.
Most people agree with me, not you.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty I must have missed this 'enlightened' :-) comment. Truth ...that would be the truth about avoiding experiencing Aikido yourself and that you simply do not have the stomach to ....I was going to say 'put your money where your mouth is', but I've even offered to pay your fare so you're not out of pocket! But no doubt you're 'doing your hair' or someother half-arsed excuse that weekend. How else would you really find out if something is fake other than checking it out yourself?
markaval 1 year ago
@packoftwenty So you think you'd be able to knock Robert Mustard out in 5 seconds! Big words! I'm not getting into a philosophical debate with you about the merits of Aikido - I've asked two things of you:
1. Show some respect
2. Stop typing and come and give it your best shot!
If you are not going to come down to Kent, then please keep your opinions to yourself as talk is cheap.
markaval 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I see now. You enjoy criticising, but when given the opportunity to show that Aikido is 'Fake-ido' you conveniently avoid the offer. I am giving you the opportunity to come down to Kent and to prove to everyone out there that Aikido is fake! It's so OBVIOUSLY bullshit that you'll have no problem with any of us 'Fake'idoka' :-D You want psychology - come down and do some practical research! The question is can you put your body where your mouth is?
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval - How big of you - you've "given me the opportunity to come down to Kent" - that's nice of you. Am I supposed to drop everything in my life and go there? Some of us have other things to do.
My position is backed up by EVERY pathetic 'Fake-ido' video in existence, and the complete ABSENCE of a single video of a 'sensei' defending PROPER attacks... Why is that?
So will we see some footage of your 'boxing' (cough, cough) against 'master' Mustard? I could do with a laugh...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty :-D I've given you the opportunity to see Aikido 'up close and personal', rather than just rely on video for your life experiences. But like most people who talk the talk but can't walk the walk, you 'respectfully decline'. Whilst you might not like Aikido which is your opinion and you are entitled to it, I simply cannot understand why you slag off people you have never met. You take things on face value, and don't ask better questions, like 'WHY would they train like this?'
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval I've asked myself hundreds of times "WHY would they fall for this shite". So far you haven't ponied up ANY evidence to the contrary - that aikido isn't a load of bullshit. Never heard of the internet? Youtube? It's what people use to SHOW other people the real world... by videoing things... So video your 'sensei' (cough cough) defending against a PROPER attacker. I'm sure there are plenty of MMA fighters in the famous 'Kent' that you seem to be obsessed by...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty talking to you is like talking to a really slow child....I've given you the PERFECT vehicle for irrefutable evidence - YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE. You can't misinterpret Aikido if it's done on you - it will either work or it won't. I'm simply not interested in posting fights on Youtube - I'm a fan of experiencing stuff for myself. I'm not intersted in showing other people anything - I'm saying to you 'Go and experience it for yourself'. What bit of that sentence don't you understand?
markaval 1 year ago
@packoftwenty ....and why on earth would you want to see a video if you could come and give it rock all yourself - that way no one could accuse any video of being staged and choreographed. Videos my friend, prove jack shit. You want to find out something, get up off your lardy arse and come and experience it for yourself. But that would mean stepping out of your nice little comfort zone and having to face the fact that you might have misunderstood what Aikido is all about....
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval "Why on earth would you want to see a video if you could come"... blah blah blah.
Because I can watch a video without having to make any effort? Because I know there AREN'T any videos in existence of a single aikido 'master' defending a proper attack? Which you obviously know too?
I can slag off people "I have never met" because I can SEE they are frauds. Unfortunately, 'respectful' sheep like you can't.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty :-D I can't believe you actually wrote this drivel. So your justification for NOT doing something is because you think REALITY is based in videos? Following that logic, that should mean everything on TV/Cinema/Youtube is real? Wake up! If you want to test whether the 'master' is a fraud or not, you go up to him and punch him. Stop procrastinating! In Aikdio seeing isn't believing - FEELING is believing. Come give a 'proper' attack - but can you deal with what comes back?
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval More of the same excuses from a cult member...
Just show us ALL a VIDEO of your 'sensei' defending REAL attacks...
Nothing but excuses.
You STILL haven't explained why there isn't a single video in existence of an aikidoka defending REAL attacks.
Can you do that? Save us all some time? Do you expect me to spend an entire day of my spare time travelling to Kent? Why not just post up a video for EVERYBODY to see? Because you can't find one?
Why?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
To anyone, whether they hate or like Aikido, I'm getting accused of offering nothing but excuses, but what I've done is anything BUT offer excuses! I've said to this person "come down and experience Aikido, at my expense, and give it your best shot - I'll even video it for you as it means that much to you!". Is that offering excuses by any standard? With packoftwenty starring in his own video he can tell the world about 'Fake-ido' up close and personal what more could he want? :-D
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval So you're saying that it's easier for ME to waste an entire day of my life (I don't have the time) to find out something you can do WHILE you're at your next aikido lesson? Presumably you are going to see Mustard soon? And can take along a video camera of some description and film YOURSELF attacking him properly? Oh, I forget - you never actually ATTACK your 'sensei', do you, in case your delusions are shattered when you connect with his nose...
Truly pathetic.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty You don't have time to prove to yourself for once and for all whether Aikido works or not, but you find enough time to post about a hundred posts of why you THINK Aikido doesn't work. I've agreed to your request for a video - as long as you are in it. Even if I posted a vid you'd decry it as fake so what's the point. For you proof of pudding would be in the eating..its the only way you could be sure.
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval Duh. Posting a few times a night on the internet is a lot easier than wasting a day of my life travelling to Kent.
So I see that you still haven't explained why YOU can't just take a video of YOU actually attacking Mustard properly, and him defending it.
Why can't you address that simple issue?
Obviously it's EASIER for you to do that - which is why you laughably claim "it's not about being easier - it's about being right". Your lack of video evidence proves me right.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty couple of hours down on the train, quick visit to dojo, five seconds to go through a couple of Aikidoka to warm up, a minute to polish off Robert Mustard, back on the train before 11am, you can be home having a pint before final whistle! Then you could take the vid of your devasting evidence of Fake-ido and post for world to see in the evening. :-D It's not about being easier - it's about being right. Rather than THINKING you're right you could PROVE you are right...
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval ..or you can keep posting this inane drivel of Fake-ido blah blah Shitkido blah blah rubbish attacks blah blah cult members blah blah fraud blah blah video of attack blah blah 'it's just a demonstration' excuse blah blah actually pay money to be taught this bullshit blah blah.
I have a feeling I know exactly which option you are going to take :-D
markaval 1 year ago
For an even more amusing demonstration of the obvious FRAUD that is 'Fake-ido', watch 'the master' in action: search for "AIKIDO. Morihei Ueshiba demonstrates in 1960" - bloody hilarious. Don't tell me - "it's just a demonstration" bleat the 'Fake-ido' believers.
But they insist that it really, really works in real life, just that they "don't believe in fighting"... Snake oil.
I am very interested in the psychology of the numpties who actually pay money to be taught this bullshit.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
As for Markaval - an idiot who has wasted his entire life on what is OBVIOUSLY a pile of bullshit, is bound to defend it, rather than admit what an idiot he has been... Is there a special screening process for students, to make sure that they don't actually know any standup? Why is it that all the 'Fake-ido' videos on Youtube are full of comments from people saying that it's a load of obvious bullshit? Morihei UeSHITa was a fraud, and Mustard is following in his footsteps...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Another ignorant statement - although I sincerely do wish I'd 'wasted' my entire life studying Aikido. Just to clarify some facts:
1. I was a soldier for a long time
2. I boxed (29 amateur fights)
3. I've done Aikido for about 6 years now, and I've never taken a fall for anyone.
4. There is more than one way to skin a cat
5. I look forward to meeting you - if you turn up.
6. I'm not defending Mustard Sensei - I just object to your lack of intelligence and knowledge
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval - How very impressive. So presumably you can make a video of you trying to punch your 'sensei' in the face, and him somehow stopping you...
No, of course you can't, and you'll make up endless excuses to maintain your insane belief system...
Where is the footage of just ONE real attacker, attacking a 'Fake-ido' practitioner? Isn't it rather STRANGE that not one piece of such footage exists?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
At 0:35, why doesn't the attacker use his other arm? Or his legs? Is that an unwritten rule in 'Fake-ido' - that you can only use one arm, and as soon as the 'sensei' (cough) touches it, all your other limbs become useless?
This is beyond a joke. Since 'Fake-ido' isn't a pile of shite, there should be loads of videos of 'senseis' (cough) actually defending PROPER attacks - you know, by people who actually have stand up skills? Funny how there isn't a SINGLE video of this in existence...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
This is just so obviously bullshit, that I can't understand why ANYBODY would actually pay money to be 'taught' by an idiot like Mustard. Have these people never watched an MMA match? Does anybody ever attack like they do? I wonder where these so-called aikido 'masters' get their stuntmen from? Who would volunteer to go through such a charade, time after time, while feeding the ego of a tosser who can't fight to save his life?
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty I have no problem with you having an opinion. But to disrespect someone you have never met, know nothing about, on the basis of watching a video on Youtube does you no credit at all. Re MMA - this argument is old and still as irrelevant. Charade? Come to Kent in October..please....it would be interesting just to see you stand in front of him. He's such a nice bloke he'd probably give you couple of free swings to give you a fighting chance...I'll even let you in for free...
markaval 1 year ago
Robert Mustard is hardly "very excellent", he can't fight shit, and we aren't SEEING him do anything useful - i.e. face a SKILLED attacker, who actually knows what stand up is. NOBODY attacks like this, so why do aikodobots always show this same old shit? Since NOBODY attacks like this, these techniques won't work in the real world, so what exactly is their purpose?
Morihie UeSHITa was an obvious fraud, and so many FRAUDS follow in his footsteps, as we can see in this video...
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Don't take my word for how good this man is - he's at the Dartford Judo Centre in Stone, Kent on 30-31 October.
Re the attacks - you are 100% right! But this is a means to an end - that is all. But you can punch him, kick him, do what you want how you want. It won't make the slightest bit of difference. And he'll certainly move a fair bit faster than he does in this demo! One way to find out if he is a fraud...come to Kent. Just be sure you know how to fall....
markaval 1 year ago
Markaval, have you ever seen Mustard spar? Real sparring between two skilled people, not "five of my students who have been conditioned to think I am Budo Jesus run at me and then pretend their knees have turned to pudding when they get close."
wurblewurble 1 year ago
@wurblewurble Budo Jesus? Boy, have you got Robert Mustard wrong! His students respect him, not sure that is a crime! He has a number of students who have done multiple martial arts and they don't seem to have a problem with him. I personally have tried to belt him a couple of times - I didn't get very far. Don't judge Robert Mustard by a video. This is a demo - that is all. But the stuff you see here - he does this stuff for real. Looks fake - fake it ain't.
markaval 1 year ago
These guy doesn't seem to know how to take ukemi, I am sure the next day he had a lot of pain all over his body. He is very stiff when he takes break fall and he doesn't use the free arm, that makes is very hard fall... The bad thing is that this sensei doesn't seem to care, or may be he even enjoys it. The other possibility is that everybody else is even worst than that, in this case it would make sense.
vladibo88 1 year ago
@vladibo88 Does he get up wit all bits still attached to his body? Then there is nothing wrong with his ukemi!! And as for Mustard Sensei not caring ... lol!! I doubt very much whether you've ever been thrown as hard as this man can throw you and still get up smiling. These ukes are in survival mode here - as you would be if Mustard Sensei got hold of you :-) Try not to judge until you've experienced it.
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval If the guy is very tired and psychologically stressed it is natural that the techniques become not so good. If that's the case my apologies. But the fact remains that is is not correct ukemi. The way he is thrown doesn't matter. He should not fall like a bag of potatos. Aikido is about harmony. Sorry but there isn't much harmony in this video... If you want to see real aiido search YouTube for Christian Tissier.
vladibo88 1 year ago
@vladibo88 Sometimes you don't get any choice in the matter! With respect to Christian Tissier whose aikido is lovely to watch, he does not throw like Robert Mustard - different emphasis. His ukes have the time to do the lovely breakfalls. But if you look at Mustard Sensei throwing, for many throws he is putting uke about 6 inches in front of him - fast - there is no time for fancy breakfalls. These guys have to be able to adap - and they are good enough to do sot.
markaval 1 year ago
Look I'm a big fan of Ueshiba's philosophy, but but we're still waiting for one of these guys to show up at the Brazilian jiu-jitsu school and take down a 6 month white belt who's actually resisting. Aikido is an extremely advanced style that was developed by an (in my opinion) enlightened man. Since O-Sensei, I don't think one single other person has been able to use these techniques effectively. Certainly not on a high level judoka, BJJ guy, sambo guy, or wrestler. If I'm wrong, show me.
Bluecollarchef 1 year ago
@Bluecollarchef You're looking at a bloke on this video who would be able to do what you ask. Resisting makes no difference (done that - hurts big time) - as long as your BJJ guy accepts that there are no rules. I do believe that Mustard Sensei has taught a number of seminars at Jiu Jitsu clubs and martial artists from various styles turn up to aikido seminars and go away with a different opinion of aikido. Still a lot of crap out there but this guy can do this stuff.
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval Judo throws work. If you don't believe me, what you can do is youtube judo and watch experts at the highest level executing these techniques effectively on other experts of the same rank and weight who are resisting (and counter-attacking) as hard as they can. I don't believe you. What can I do about it?
I'm glad people are practicing this art and preserving it's techniques and philosophies. But if you guys don't stop pretending you'll never really understand it.
Bluecollarchef 1 year ago
@Bluecollarchef There is no pretending. I use judo falls myself and love judo as a martial art. I understand what you are saying but judo in many ways has similar emphasis as aikido - most effective application is in defence. Aikido is getting to the same place as other martial arts but just goes about it in a completely different way. This is what makes so many people critical of aikido - and it took me long time to get my head around too. It's just different that's all..
markaval 1 year ago
@Bluecollarchef A name I've seen bandied around in Jason Delucia - MMA fighter with Aikido background. Apparently he went round to the Gracies and offered them out :-) Got beaten three times but he had balls! Apparently he has an open-door offer at his dojo to anyone to come round and he'll fight them with Aikido. Unusual bloke in that he uses Aikido offensively. I think he meets your criteria in terms of being able to use Aikido techniques effectively on high level MAs.
markaval 1 year ago
anyone who thinks these videos are fake are kinda wrong :s
aime19135 1 year ago
this one looks more realistic than I have ever seen before. Mustard is a real man in aikido. People who doesn't believe in aikido have no experience of being asskicked by aikido masters.
riisimees 1 year ago
@riisimees lol so true! Mustard Sensei is not interested in the slightest with fighting. Fighting is easy. Aikido at this level is subtle and most just don't see what is really going on. They see a big man and assume he's a bully, smashing his ukes to pulp. The truth is there is very little arm strength used, and once he gets hold of you your body is locked up and you are stuffed - before he's done anything! He then moves you to where you are weak and then he turns using his hips - not arms
markaval 1 year ago
good aikido , but on the street ? the tai sabaki in the tatami is ok , but with shoes on the road or land?I have experience in this situations, the feet do not slip!!! you fall !! and.....KO!! AIKIDO? ...only In the dojo.I'm sorry
roninchess 1 year ago
@roninchess then lift your feet up! Learn the form, make it part of you, then put it to one side and move on. Who says you always need to move your feet to do Aikido? Big movements and big circles for training, tiny circles to use it for real. Foot sliding on mat is to ensure students generate their power with back leg and to learn to use hips and front knee correctly. Once you've got that it doesn't matter if your foot is on the ground or not. Don't take everything literally!!!
markaval 1 year ago
ANGRY WHITE PYJAMAS
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
@wurblewurble when you learn how to control your opponents entire body through a wrist lock and force them into submission or risk injury. the wrist is extremely fragile and can be used to move someones entire upper body and core or risk injury. it looks silly cuz it happens very quickly but study martial arts books, especially kung fu if you think it is BS.
tylerdurdenLLC 2 years ago
At a basic level this is true Tyler, but Sensei Mustard is not really doing anything to the wrist - he's controlling uke's shoulder, which breaks his balance and this is what is actually responsible for the throw. The wrist is simply the point of application. You can slam it on the wrist but it is really missing the point. If you need to slam it on the wrist you've not broken the attackers balance. This is why wrists get broken - it becomes about strength, which is not really the aim.
markaval 2 years ago
So when do I learn that cool move at 1:04 where a guy grabs me and I hypnotize him into jumping onto the ground?
wurblewurble 2 years ago
lol actually that IS quite an advanced technique, but it comes from a powerful torque of the hips while in kamae. Uke's hand is still on Shte's dogi so the force of the torque is enough to throw uke. it requires very precise form and a lot of training to get good at. I tried it (I'm only 9th kyu) and it was barely enough force to force uke into a walk. Also I can't wait to go to the seminar Mustard Sensei is holding at our dojo!
lopsided101 2 years ago
If you're making a pulling motion with your hips strong enough to fling a person around, he'd probably just, you know, let go of your jacket. But in aikido that wouldn't be following the script.
wurblewurble 2 years ago
well in aikido you're not supposed to let someone grab your jacket, you are holding them, usually from a fragile part of the body such as the wrist, even a finger, and make them risk self injury by resisting you.
tylerdurdenLLC 2 years ago
Simple response - No. Nothing to do with faking/following script. This is simple biomechanics. And Mustard Sensei is doing everything in this demo very, very slowly. You'd be amazed at how hard it is to do anything when shoulder is locked... and it's not a pull - it's a push motion. Training partner is not resisting - could do if they wanted but that is not the point here. Wouldn't make any difference if they did. I've trained with this man and there is nothing fake about him.
markaval 2 years ago
@lopsided101 It requires an uke deliberately falling down.
wurblewurble 2 years ago
no, once uke loses his balance and can't stand up, he does a flip.
it's not fake like you seem to think
lopsided101 2 years ago
Except no one is going to lose his balance because he grabbed a guy's shoulder or collar and the guy then turned suddenly. It generally takes actual grappling to do that to someone, not aikido.
wurblewurble 2 years ago
In a fight your attacks have to have intent - otherwise opponent has no need to defend. Intent = energy. It is not 'magic' - simple biomechanics. Aim in nearly all Aikido is to control the shoulder. Control and manipulate the attacker's shoulder and they're in big trouble. To understand this you have to forget 'normal fighting rules'. Rule number 1 in a fight is 'don't play to the attackers strengths'. Easier to say than do, but when you 'get it' the results are very effective.
markaval 2 years ago
@wurblewurble
Why dont you actually gain some knowledge of something before dismissing it as fake you idiot. Iv done martial arts half my life and the last year i spent it doing Aikido and it is not fake. Try fighting back against any of the locks put on you by someone who does Aikido and thats the real deal.
Sirus362 1 year ago
No, it's fake. The flip has nothing to do with it. He loses his balance in the first place because he flings himself at the "master" and allows himself to be thrown. Sorry, but if you train with the assumption that your attacker will heave his weight at you like a drunk in a Buster Keaton film, you will be in trouble when you try to throw someone who isn't allowing it.
wurblewurble 2 years ago
@wurblewurble This is a training demo showing 'training way' not 'fighting way'. You really would not want to be on the end of this guy if things got serious. Aim here is to train together not to fight - but ukes are not jumping for anyone. I've trained with Mustard Sensei for about five years now and I can tell you that you can resist as much as you want, it doesn't matter; you are going down - hard! His skill level is hard to appreciate on video, you have to feel it to understand.
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval You are a douchebag of the highest order. A cult member. Of course an idiot like you who has wasted an astonishing five years of his life with a con man, is going to defend his own stupidity to the hilt, rather than admit he is wrong. Aikido is bullshit, UeSHITa was a blatant fraud who couldn't fight shit, and Mustard is exactly the same.
How convenient that he "is not interested in the slightest with fighting" - because he can't bloody fight, you douchebag.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty 'Douchebag' - well, that's a new one! 'Cultist' - that's a new one too! Robert Mustard calls me 'a stubborn son of a bitch'. Not usual language for deity, and not usual behaviour from a hero-worshipper! If training with Robert Mustard is wasting time I want to waste more of it! Don't take 'not interested in fighting' to mean 'can't fight'. First rule of combat - don't underestimate your opponent, especially if you know jack shit about him and even less about what he does...
markaval 1 year ago
@packoftwenty ...you see, Aikido is not really about fighting (although it can be used to fight). Me, I used to LOVE fighting. If I wanted to fight now I'd do BJJ, Karate or one of a dozen offensive arts. But aikido is really difficult and a challenge - it's a challenge to take someone down without fighting or using your arm strength. think it's easy? Try it. Aikido is not everyone's cup of tea - but don't dismiss it because it doesn't fit your idea of a martial art.
markaval 1 year ago
@markaval Nobody fights like that. Is Robert Mustard your boyfriend or something? There are always idiots who will follow snake oil salesmen, and defend their (dumbass) decisions to the hilt...
Why aren't there ANY videos of 'aikidoka' actually defending PROPER attacks?
Hmmm....
Even I, with no training whatsoever, would be able to break Mustard's nose in about five seconds.
Enlighten me- show me your boyfriend defending just ONE proper attack.
Did you see the Edgar vs Penn fight? Duh.
packoftwenty 1 year ago
@packoftwenty Lol, obviously respect is a concept alien to you. You see mate, I went to a seminar with Mustard Sensei fairly sceptical. I resisted this man with every single piece of strength I had. It didn't make a blind bit of difference. Look up a guy called Nicholas Pettas. Like you he did not believe Aikido could work and said so on TV. International karate and kick boxing champion. Unlike you he got off his arse and found out for himself - he changed his mind - on TV.
markaval 1 year ago
Definitely not. In fact Mustard Sensei gets the right hump if uke falls over for no reason. There's nothing wrong with resisting, but that's not what Aikido training is all about - it's about blending. This concept is fairly unique in martial arts and I understand why people like you say the things that you do.. Best thing you could ever do would be to go find Mustard Sensei and give him your best shot - you'd quickly realise why these guys don't resist - it hurts ALOT more...
markaval 2 years ago
Very advanced! This technique is about maintaining connection, and this is very hard to do - especially when someone is trying to punch your lights out. It's amazing how often in a fight people grab the front of a shirt,normally to follow up with a head butt or a punch. I've tried to punch Mustard Sensei full in the face doing this and ended up nearly dislocating my shoulder. Get the technique timing wrong though and you'd best be able to do something else very quickly :-)
markaval 2 years ago
you could study a martial arts book for yourself and find out.
tylerdurdenLLC 2 years ago
it is a pressure point.
tylerdurdenLLC 2 years ago
Very, very powerful. And to think that some people think Aikido is not a martial art! Mmmm!
knelmes01 2 years ago
That's my Sensei!
CosmoShidan 2 years ago
why on earth is he using some kind of guard/stance?
Fangen88 2 years ago