@PatriciaNicole2394 Why would I discuss my video with someone who refuses to honestly watch it ? Your questions have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this video. This is why it is IGNORANT to ask a question or make a comment about something you refuse to listen to first. If your heart tells you NOT to listen, then you should just be on your way. Every heart will not be established in truth, because truth isn't for every heart.
@TrueCore08 I am sorry you are angry with me. I did watch 90 seconds of the video when I had a question. How can I watch the rest and understand it when I am already confused? That is not the way I process information.
This has nothing to do with listening to my heart, and everything to do with Bible-supported truth. This video was recommended to me by HolySpiritDwells after I asked him a question. But I will be on my way if this is the response I get....
@PatriciaNicole2394 james1:19 wherefore, my beloved brethren, let ever man be SWIFT TO HEAR, SLOW TO SPEAK, SLOW TO WRATH. If you would have listen past 90 sec.. your questioned would have been answered 1:00" There is no such thing as an Apostle under the Law..1 tim1:9 for the Law is not made for the righteous ".Your Quick to wrath proves your heart is harden on this matter. Your response should have been your right I should Have LISTEN too the video first. UR CONFUSION CAME FROM NOT LISTENING.
@PatriciaNicole2394 i'll make it plan to you.. Is the Law in the World Bad? Example only a theif fears going to jail for stealing, a murderer fears the death penalty.. But if I don't steal, and If I don't kill Why should I be Fearful of these LAWS!! So The LAW is For THE GUILTY to show you how wrong you are.. But we have a BIGGER issue at hand. YOU refuse to APOLOGIZE to Truecoreo8 & Holyspiritdwells for ur lack of respect to listen. Obivously u thought HSD advice was DOOKIE for u didn't listen
@TrueCore08 -You're a real boof-head aren't you big fella.
You mean well but you're thick as 2 planks as we say in the Antipodes.
You've got decades of money hungry religious fakes like Bakker Graham Hinn Duplantis etc to learn from & warn you yet still you can't see Saul never said shite about Christ's words but rather created an occult deception over magic blood.
You're naive as Christ said one would come in his own name & be accepted & that man was the false apostle Saul.
Could you please clarify why you chose the title of this video to include the words "as hell bound as Paul was"? The good news is that Paul repented and worked hard for the Lord. I am optimistic that Paul has a good spot with the Lord in Heaven, but I am not his judge.
Thank God that He is merciful, tender, and kind. He is the God of love and the God of all comfort.
I titled it as such because Paul in Romans 7 was referring to is soul's state as a pharisee under the Law. Many say they can identify with Paul as he reveals how the bondage of sin dominated him spiritually. But what they fail to understand is, Paul was lost and wasn't describing a believers experience in Christ. Paul was describing how sin held him captive under the Law. Paul was yet in need of Christ to free him from the bondage of death. Which came later in verses 24 & 25 and chapter 8
@field16 Teaching the fear of God is every teachers gift. If not, you're not a teacher sent from God. Proverbs 9:10...The FEAR of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Proverbs 10:27, 3:7, 8:13, 14:27, 15:16, 16:6, 19:23, Eccl 12:13...Let us hear the CONCLUSION of the WHOLE MATTER: FEAR GOD, and keep his commandments: for this is the WHOLE DUTY of MAN. All of these verses don't scratch the surface in number compared to all the ones remaining.
@TrueCore08 Not everyone that goes to Heaven is a teacher. The body of Christ has many parts. We all have a role to fill and they are all important. Your gift is not the same as others. Agreed?
@TrueCore08 So it appears you agree, but you didn't say so. Jesus is our #1 teacher and we all have a lot to learn. Hey, I'm just trying to make sure we're on the same side. :-) I did subscribe to you, and was hoping to learn with you. Encouragement is a gift, too, and is just as important.
I sincerely hope you will take the private message I sent to you to heart so we can come to agreement and learn together. Looking forward to your response. Peace.
@field16 I received your personal message and will show you where your understanding and scripture are not compatible. I sincerely hope we come to an agreement that you need to be taught correctly. Eph.4:11...and he gave some Pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints...Either you are perfecting the saints or you are a saint being perfected. This is the will of God concerning order in the Church. If you desire to learn FROM me, I'm here. But to learn WITH me is your pride talking.
@TrueCore08 You just accused me of sinning, but you are not my judge. Where is your love if you refuse to learn with me?
Ironically, You say I have pride from offering to learn WITH you instead of FROM you. There are teachers, but there are also prophets. There are also false prophets. NEVER let your guard down.
I desire to learn FROM Jesus and WITH my brothers. Iron sharpens Iron. If you are alone, how do you get sharpened?
@field16 No sir, I didn't ACCUSE you of PRIDE. I POINTED OUT your PRIDE after your mouth REVEALED what was in the ABUNDANCE of your HEART. You refuse to SUBJECT yourself to Gods will concerning those whom God has sent to PERFECT SAINTS. When you REJECT TEACHERS whom JESUS has sent, you reject JESUS HIMSELF and the FATHER who sent him. Your wicked REBELLIOUS spirit rejects the Father, the Lord, and those whom the Lord has sent. Your own mouth has TESTIFIED against your REBELLIOUS HEART.
@field16 ,Did the Church @ Corinth learn WITH Paul? NO, they learned FROM Paul as the Spirit of God increased Paul's knowledge/wisdom. Paul said, it is NO LONGER I who live, but Christ who liveth IN me. You have 'rejected' the Ephesians 4:11 which is God's divine order in His church which God appoints brethren for the PERFECTING of His sheep. That's whats wrong w/ the carnal mind, LOOKING at FLESH while DENYING the SPIRIT of CHRIST which REIGNS IN the person. This WAR is SPIRITUAL, get out.
I enjoyed the teaching, you are correct to see this as a lost man in chp 7. I see you have a fan of sorts, vekl. Thats good though, it will make one hone and sift their thoughts to back up with scripture what one claims they truly believe.
@Romans7man Yeah, I guess some people don't hate sin enough as Paul did in Romans 7 to be freed from it as he reveals in v.25 and in chapter 8 . They want the sin without the deliverance, and at the same time want eternal salvation. I don't think it's possible to be more double minded than that. But if there is a way, I'm sure he will figure it out.
@88whoisjohngalt I appreciate your attempt but the scripture is the only historical fact needed. The Holy Spirits inspiration has already done a perfect job concerning the historical facts. Take care
His arrival often led to disturbances, provoked either by the Jewish authorities or by men with vested interests in pagan cults who feared for their livelihood if Paul made too many converts. Thus he was often subject to investigation or trial, when his Roman citizenship stood him in good stead. None of the judges found him guilty of offences against Roman law and interpreted the issues at stake as religious matters which concerned Jews alone. He was later, however, accused of treason.
Paul was originally a strict Pharisee and as non-Jews were baptized into the new faith, the problem arose whether Gentile converts must fully accept Jewish customs (Law). It was solved when Peter accepted the more liberal policy of Paul. Paul’s journeys into Asia Minor and Greece, as recorded in the Acts, were made possible by the pax Romana, while the existence of the koine, a Greek dialect that was common throughout the East, made preaching intelligible.
I like your biblical analysis but just wanted to add some historical facts to the discussion. Here are some more. During the last century B.C. the Jews in Palestine had been splitting up into sects: the pious Pharisees, the Scribes, the worldly Sadducees, the ascetic Essenes and the Qumran community of the Dead Sea. The establishment of new groups was a natural development, especially as the Jews continued to believe in the coming of a Messiah.
@88whoisjohngalt Please express your point in making this comment. Failed to see how it relates to the Romans 7 issue in which this video breaks down concerning Paul's pre-conversion or post.
One of the fiercest of all the persecutors was a strict Pharisee, Saul of Tarsus, who was hunting down Christians with the blessing of the High Priest, until stopped by his extraordinary conversion while on the road to Damascus to persecute the Christians there. Using his Latin name Paul (he was a Roman citizen) the persecutor now became the champion of the faith and the Apostle of the Gentiles. Paul now carried the Christian message through the Roman world.
After the crucifixion, Jewish authorities, finding the Jesus followers instead of melting away were forming a new sect, decided to suppress it, as they had suppressed its founder. The first victim was Stephen: condemned by the Sanhedrin, he was stoned to death. By systematic persecution the Christian leaders were driven out of Jerusalem, some as far away as Syrian Antioch where they and their followers were first called Christians.
Romans 7:25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord (PAUL THANKS GOD FOR RENEWING HIS MIND THROUGH CHRIST SO...) So then with the (RENEWED MIND) I myself (CAN KEEP UNDER MY BODY, AND BRING IT INTO SUBJECTION 1Cor.9:27) and serve the Law of God; but with the flesh (UNRENEWED MIND VOID OF GOD'S SPIRIT) the law of sin (WHICH "WAS" IN HIS MEMBERS AS STATED IN V.23) The word "flesh" refers to an unrenewed mind...NOT his body. See Ch.8 v. 9...But ye are not in the FLESH, but in the SPIRIT.
People who try to assert that Paul is talking about his Present Tense life as a believer in Rom 7:14ff simply CAN NOT Reconcile Rom 6:6, 18, 20, 22; with Rom 7:14, 23, 25c.
In Romans 6 Paul teaches the Brethren that they're NOT slaves of sin & that if they are enslaved to sin they will die. v16, 21, 23.
The person in Rom 7 is clearly the slave of sin, he can not even do the good that he would.
To teach that Paul is referring to his life as a Christian in Rom 7, is a most dangerous folly
@ChristusVlCTOR Yeah! Now that's what I'm talking about ChistusVICTOR. Teach...TEACH!!! Nice the way you explained it to Vekl. But I have already been around that block and I'm afraid his heart is set on justifying his flesh with Romans 7
Again, I will ask just straight-up (I'm not trying to change Scripture, I don't disbelieve it, and if I have error in my thinking, I hope that your PERSONAL response can help me clear some things up). I just want to know about your own personal testimony--have you ever sinned since becoming a Christian? Yes? No? Maybe?
@breenhill Again, If you don't believe the scriptures account concerning holiness, neither shall you believe the Spirits work concerning my walk. If I were a drug pushing murderer, that still doesn't change what the scriptures are requiring of you. Investigate the scriptures to prove all things...not man. Take care friend
TrueCore08, I have only one question. I'm not trying to be aggressive, rude, sanctimonious, or sarcastic. I just want a clear, personal answer: Since the day you were saved, have you EVER sinned in heart, deed, or action? From the day you converted to Christ and had the Holy Spirit fill your heart, did you ever once commit ANY sort of sin, big or small?
@breenhill If you don't believe the scriptures account concerning holiness, neither shall you believe the Spirits work concerning my walk. If I were a drug pushing murderer, that still doesn't change what the scriptures are requiring of you. Investigate the scriptures to prove all things...not man. Take care friend
@jdtate58 A wolf in sheep's clothing will teach this chapter to enslave the souls of men that they remain in the bondage of sin and feel justified. Satan told Eve the same lie in the garden of Eden concerning the fruit of the tree...that if she were to sin against God, she shall not surely die. The wages of sin is death no matter how sweet Satan makes the deal sound. Amen!
he also says clearly, “If we say we have so sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). Here John explicitly excludes the possibility of being completely free from sin in our lives. In fact, he says that anyone who claims to be free from sin is simply deceiving himself, and the truth is not in him.
Then I guess you're not "free" and "free indeed"-and if you understand the context/history of the 1st epistle of John, you'd know if was referencing the anti-Christ Gnostics of the time. Their teachings are referenced in 1 John a few times, 1) John defines sin, 1 John 3:4, Gnostics taught it was physical, 2) John says Christ came in the flesh, 1 John 4---Gnostics denied this, then finally--Gnostics taught sinlessness while they were in obvious sins, claiming "dead" flesh = no sin
@droptozro Hello droptozro! Please don't come on my comment page talking about Gnostics and 1John. John didn't find it necessary to mention this group, so why do you promote them as if they've signed a recording contract with you? Teach what John taught and nothing more on the subject. BTW, we have somewhat of a history together. For you to come on my channel and ignore me is disrespectful. Especially when you have learned from me.
Brother I was just trying to give context, John, Peter and Paul all debated them. I'm not teaching, I'm warning about their doctrines which are still prevalent today in many churches and many people do not understand what John was correcting. It jumps out like a sore thumb what John's addressing to just seek slight history in that epistle to believers.
I have no disagreement with you brother, I wish learning would go both ways... but I apologize since you've felt disrespect.
@droptozro Bro, for you to say you were giving context is to say God did not. The prophet Isaiah has shown us...For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little. This refers to staying within the confines of inspired scripture for knowledge. The Holy Spirit chose his words in teaching us context and did not choose the words you do. If you wish one could learn from you, STAY WITHIN SCRIPTURE!
@droptozro Don't get it misunderstood. The disrespect was not in the way you think about the text. It was in you failing to acknowledge the presence of one who has taught you after such a long time of no dialog. Then come on my comment page and and dialog with others without greeting me. Not a point of me feeling disrespected because I was not bruised by your disrespect. I was making your disrespect known to you because God has put me over you ( Hebrews 13:7 )
Thank you for clarifying that. I did misunderstand the disrespect. I apologize---I had not known you as well, though I did watch many of your videos at my initial realization of how sinful I was living and claiming the name of Christ. I spoke more with brother DeMario at that time because you were not on youtube yet your videos were from the past, and had not given you as much acknowledgement. I've noticed your return, and appeal to your zeal... due to your videos I do (cont)
@TrueCore08 ..do continually give thanks for you and your brother through Christ. You made the Scriptures come alive in my life, as I began obeying and speaking the truth to those around me. In Christ, I do always mention you and your brother as a beginning of my testimony for you spoke the unadultered truth to me in love to His glory and for my soul.
God bless you brother, I'm will do my best to acknowledge more and stay in contact--it's been a weakness of mine.
The very fact that he issues these directions shows his realization that sin will continue to be present in the lives of believers throughout their time one earth. Even James the brother of our Lord c could say, “We all make many mistakes” (James 3:2), and if James himself can say this, then we certainly should be willing to say it as well. Finally, in the same letter in which John declares so frequently that a child of God will not continue in a pattern of sinful behavior,
As we noted above, when Paul talks about the new power over sin that is given to a Christian, he does not say that there will be no sin in the Christian’s life, but simply tells the believers not to let sin “reign “in their bodies nor to “yield” their members to sin (Rom. 6:12-13). He does not say that they will not sin, but says that sin will not dominate or “have dominion” over them (Rom. 6:14).
Just as the prayer for daily bread provides a model for a prayer that should be repeated each day, so the prayer for the forgiveness of sins is included in the type of prayer that should be made each day in a believer’s life.
“Who can say, ‘I have made my heart clean; I am pure from my sin’?” And we read the explicit statement in Ecclesiastes 7:20, “Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.”
In the New Testament, we find Jesus commanding his disciples to pray, “Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our sins, as we also have forgiven those who sin against us” (Matt. 6:11-12, author’s translation).
On the other hand, there are passages in both he Old and New Testaments that clearly teach that we cannot be morally perfect in this life. In Solomon’s prayer at the dedication of the temple, he says, “If they sin against you—for there is no man who does not sin” (1 Kings 8:46). Similarly, we read a rhetorical question with an implied negative answer in Proverbs 20:9:
If these verses were taken to prove sinless perfection, they would have to prove it for all Christians, because they talk about what is true of everyone born of God, and everyone who has seen Christ and known him.
Therefore, there do not seem to be any convincing verses in Scripture that teach that it is possible for anyone to be completely free of sin in this life.
“No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him” (1 John 3:6). This is similar to John’s statement a few verses later, “No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God” (1 John 3:9).
or prays that God would sanctify the Thessalonians wholly (1 Thess. 5:23), he is pointing to the goal that he desires them to reach. He does not imply that any reach it, but only that this is the high moral standard toward which God wants all believers to aspire.
John’s statement that “No one who abides in him sins” (1 John 3:6) does not teach that some of us attain perfection, because the present-tense Greek verbs are better translated as indicating continual or habitual activity:
this simply shows that God’s own absolute moral purity is the standard toward which we are to aim and the standard for which God holds us accountable. The fact that we are unable to attain that standard does not mean that it will be lowered; rather, it means that we need God’s grace and forgiveness to overcome our remaining sin. Similarly, when Paul commands the Corinthians to make holiness perfect in the fear of the Lord (2 Cor. 7:1),
First, it is simply not taught in Scripture that when God gives a command, he also gives the ability to obey it in every case. God commands all people everywhere to obey all of his moral laws and holds them accountable for failing to obey them, even though unredeemed people are sinners and, as such, dead in trespasses and sins, and thus unable to obey God’s commands. When Jesus commands us to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect (Matt 5:48),
In fact, John even says, “No one who abides in him sins” (1 John 3:6)! Do these verses not point to the possibility of sinless perfection in the life of some Christians? In this discussion, I will use the term perfectionism to refer to this view that sinless perfection is possible in this life.
On closer inspection, these passages do not support the perfectionist position.
perfect in the fear of God”) and reasoned that since God gives us these commands, he must also give us the ability to obey them perfectly. Therefore, they have concluded, it is possible for us to attain a state of sinless perfection in this life. Moreover, they point to Paul’s prayer for the Thessalonians, “May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly” (1 Thess. 5:23), and infer that Paul’s prayer may well have been fulfilled for some of the Thessalonian Christians.
Excerpt from Wayne Grudem’s Systematic Theology pg. 751 under title “Sanctification Is Never Completed in this Life.”
There have always been some in the history of the church who have taken commands such as Matthew 5:48 (“You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect”) or 2 Corinthians 7:1 (“let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness
Just what do you think that you are doing here?? Are you accusing Paul of not being righteous?? You have totally misinterpreted Romans 7 for what it is meaning to say. If you have read the book of Romans, you would understand the order to which Paul is making his point. He speaks of having been under the law at one time. He then explains the law is good for it is there to let us know what sin is. When he speaks of carnality. He explains that we all have this fallen flesh that we fight daily.
TrueCore08...are you born again? If you are, then the Holy Spirit should be living inside you helping to interpret What is being said by Paul here. Jesus is the Word of GOD and is speking to you through Paul. You need to pray about this and read this again very carefully. Paul wrote this to explain how all of us have a sinful flesh to which even he fights daily to walk righteously in Christ. This chapter 7 is important and you need to pray and reread this again. You have this all wrong!
@RaptureOrTribulation Only those who are still sinning and lack faith cannot interpret what Paul is saying here. And that person used to be me until I humbled myself and allowed his spirit to enlighten me and then deliver me from the bondage that I also used to justify. A man can only bear witness to the things he has seen, and you cannot bear witness to walking without sin. Open your eyes and see with you faith that God may use you as a witness. Amen
@TrueCore08 So, you are telling me that you dont sin anymore? Your mind is free from those feshly thoughts? The flesh is weak and through Christ we can be cleanses from those thoughts. You're are speaking as a self righteous man. Remember, we all will be subjected to sins that we stumble and He picks us back up and we keep going while we repent. If you say that isn't you, that is sin just by saying that. It is a lie as well as self righteousness to which Jesus despised!
Luke 18:10-15 10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
@KnowledgeOfTheFew Sorry, but you have not convinced me that you are that ignorant. Anyone 10 yrs of age and up can clearly see you have been answered and your love for darkness exposed. You do not serve the God of the scriptures but serve your own lustful desires. I rebuke your contentious spirit in the name of the Lord and may God grant you a heart of repentance because the ax is at the root of your tree.
@KnowledgeOfTheFew I answered the question you asked me concerninig Heb 7:16, and you're welcome! Now lets go back to Rom 7 because its obvious your heart allows you to struggle with the context of the chapter. Romans 7:7...What shall we say then? is the LAW sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the LAW: For I had not known lust, except the LAW had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. It was MOSES who gave this LAW to Israel on the mount written by the finger of God. Take care
@KnowledgeOfTheFew Heb 7:16 does not say the LAW was carnal. It says the COMMANDMENT was carnal in regards to the selection of PRIESTS. The commandment was all priests should come from the tribe of LEVI. The former Law appointed that the office should descend, upon the DEATH of the FATHER to the eldest SON, according to the order of CARNAL or natural generation...But with Christ as our HIGH PRIEST, this was not so. That of a carnal command ends with death. Christ lives and so does his Father.
Actually Im only reiterating what the scriptures are already profoundly stating. 1John 3:3-10, 1John 2:3-6 and a host of other scriptures that man can not see unless God opens their eyes and they become converted. There be few that find and walk the straight and narrow road. James 2:14-26...Take care brother
It seems you are stating, that after salvation, in order to maintain one's salvation, works are required. If these works are not produced, you are condemned to sin, and thus hell. Is that an accurate assessment of what you are stating overall?
To grant you your premise, that Paul was not speaking of himself in the present tense of the time that he wrote this letter, or as a Christian, and then use the same thinking, you have to ask yourself was John a Christian, an Apostle and disciple of Christ speaking of himself in the same prior tense in 1John 1?
I believe that Paul is making a comparative of himself under the law, vs. under grace. Yet, the chapter reflects the internal struggle that he still finds himself under. To accurately exegete his point, the full context of his perspective has to be revealed in this manner. I think verse 25 sum mates his exegetical intent.
@Boanerges7 Sorry, Paul is not reflecting on any internal struggle as a christian. The internal dwelling of the Holy Spirit doesnt come until v.25 and carries on through chapter 8, which sets him free from the struggle being described in chapter 7. Christ comes to deliver him from the struggle in v.24...The fact of Christ having to come and DELIVER him is evidence of the Lords ABSENSE concerning Paul while wretched and bound to a body of death. If one is still sinning, they are not delivered.
@TrueCore08 - According to the thought process you are stating here, the thought then begs the question, who then in history, aside from Yahsua, after acquire true knowledge of God, yet have sinned again, mind you it takes only one to be considered unworthy by YHWH. Would not then the entire world be condemned still, and also the blood of Yashua made ineffective? You only need to look at scripture to verify AFTER YHWH had reckoned these men righteous by faith, Abram, David, Jacob, all sinned.
@Boanerges7 All these men you mentioned were not Born of God because Jesus had not yet sent his Holy Spirit to dwell in man after conquering SIN and DEATH through his suffering and resurrection. This did not happen until the book of Acts with the Apostles and the birth of the Church.
@TrueCore08 - To press your point then, are you therefore asserting that these men were not reckoned as righteous before God, as scripture states? Or that David, in particular,was called BY YHWH, a man after His own heart? Scripture teaches that Abraham's faith was reckoned to him as righteousness! Paul speaks of Abraham's faith in his letter to the Galatians 3:9 "So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham." What then is the fate of all those in the OT according to you?
@Boanerges7 No, I am not ASSERTING those men were not RECKONED as righteous. The only way a man could be counted righteous before the BLOOD of Christ, is to be RECKONED. But now the BLOOD is here for us to be MADE RIGHTEOUS, not RECKONED RIGHTEOUS. The promise to Abraham because of his FAITH is what gives us eternal hope in Christ...But for those who get caught up in O.T. men regarding their examples set for us...Jesus said this concerning those of his Kingdom...Matt.11:11.
I see you have considered many things before presenting this teaching. Please also consider that the Galatian church was rebuked by the Apostle Paul for going back under the law. This proves that Paul who was under grace could on his own accord also go back under the law even as a Christian. This possibility raises a lot of questions to this doctrine,
@Eyesalve4u Very true, Many are called but the chosen are few...Every one who was called out of Egypt into the wilderness didnt make it into the promised land. Those in the wilderness are being chastened that the MIGHT be a partaker of his Holiness Heb.12:10, BORN AGAIN. When the Holy Spirit convicts a mans heart, conception has taken place, CALLED. Conception is the beginning of life that leads to the NEW BIRTH. From conception to being BORN, many things can yet go wrong. See parable of sower
Hi thankyou for your video regarding Romans 7. I think paul is describing the battle that christians face between the Spirit and the Flesh. Remmember how he writes, the flesh wars against the spirit vice verca,,,
we are a new creation and the old has passed away! Once we understand what Jesus did on the cross we can walk in the fullness of our true identity in Christ. Sin has been conquered and we are made new, this is GOOD NEWS!!!..keep feeding the flock my brother, God bless you!
If Jesus was in any temple +man that claims belief in Jesus ,he would be in every church and mosquee and every christian and muslim would have the moral conduct of Jesus coz He would have thrown out sin.as he turned over the tables
you try arguments against paul s christianity but i don t understand why/where you really disagree with what he said/what actually bothers you from what he preached?
If jesus "is in your temple"he will not allow sin /but for that u need to have His faith (+) /in this case u wont sin anyway/but u-r body is still weak and subject to temptation(as paul s) that s why u need to be permanently vigilent as jesus said in many parables /final salvation comes at the second coming of jesus as john sais
That was a bit deep, but a really good study! God gave me something similar a few years back... Romans basically walks us through the diverse relations us humans have with God, how we strayed away, how we get caught up into the vices we do, (Ch 1). Then, starting in Ch. 2-3, Paul begins to turn his focus on the law-keepers (Jews). He shows they are no better off than those they condemn. Paul continues to speak to the Jews, read 7:1. (Jews are those that seek God - but not through Jesus).
and i suppose david..who yah loved..was just not saved cause he commited MURDER and ADULTERY....i guess he wasnt spirit filled ad capable of error..oh yes he must not have had teh "HOLY SPIRIT" youc hristians have no conept of hebrew nor of the torah and preach lawlessness
paul was never a christian lol this is silliness he was an orthodox pharsisee who kept the torah..he did not keep teh rabbnic oral law or teh animal sacrfice but he kept teh shabbat and the rest of teh torah stop being lawless and promoting lawlessness
I'm coming back months after responding to this. NB3K absolutely tore your argument up. Romans 3 says in the unregenerate state "none seek God". Then Paul says he seeks God and he seeks to do whats right. We aren't giving people an excuse to sin. We are saying that Christians DO struggle with sin. We have that new man who desires right, but the old man who desires to do wrong. It's a constant battle between the two, but praise God for His grace through it all.
@ReppinTha116 Well you may need to take more months to 1st understand an argument before you claim victory over it. A lot of Christians do commit sin, but those who are BORN AGAIN do not commit sin, (1John 3).Paul as an Apostle was indeed BORN AGAIN but in Romans 7, Paul was refering to himself as a Pharisee under the law...this is why he uses the word law. LAW=PHARISEE CHRIST=APOSTLE when discussing Paul. Take care
Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
No he is speaking of his regenerate state. Because Paul says for he has the desire to do what is right. A unregenerate man would not have the desire to do what is right. When Paul was thrown off his horse in his conversion, he most assurdly did not have the desire to do what was right when he was going after christians and killing them
@NB3K Think about what you are saying ...If unregenerated men have no desire to do whats right...How would anyone ever become saved? Follow Gods word and stop listening to your flesh. Amen
@TrueCore08 Come on I just showed in Romans 7 where Paul is speaking about having the desire to do what is right. I then contrasted it with Paul in the account of his conversion and his unregenerate state as Saul.Rom 3:10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
Rom 3:11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.
Rom 3:12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
Look Paul states it clearly "NO ONE SEEKS FOR GOD"
@TrueCore08 wrote,"How would anyone ever become saved?"
If anyone gets saved it is because God has made the person alive in Christ and given them a new heart. It is not the person giving his heart or doing anything, but it is God performing the act of regeneration through the power of the word. Joh 3:3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
If one is not born again and he cannot see the kingdom how can he choose God?
@TrueCore08 So to get back to Romans 7, if Paul had the desire to do what was right, then it must have been God through the Holy Spirit that put it in him. Because he says for there is nothing good in me that is of my flesh. It is the same teaching of Jesus, that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit you must be born again. The flesh profits nothing. God must make man a new heart and spirit before he can even come to Christ.
@TrueCore08 I know it will be hard for you to understand this, but your theology may be wrong. I could help you. All I do everyday is study the Word of God. I did not come to my postion that is the Biblical position with out instruction either.
@TrueCore08 You simply do not understand Scripture. Man wants to obey God only after they are born again. Man does not become born again after they have faith but before they have faith. Salvation is a work of God and not of man.
@psk6565 Your response is proof of the damage Satan did in the Garden of Eden concerning the deceitfulness of sin. Since you believe i dont understand Scripture...can you explain 1John 3:9 that we all may understand the result of one who is born again?
@TrueCore08 Do you claim Peter was not born again? 1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life.
@psk6565 I never said Peter sinned after conversion. But i did ask you where habitual and continual were found in the text of 1John 3:9...be honest or be gone to a different channel.
@TrueCore08 I do say Peter sinned after conversion Galations 2:11 11But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
1 John 3:9 "No one born of God makes a practice of sinning..." The common interpretation in church history is a continual and making a practice of sinning.
The greek for "sin" is in the present tense which has the idea of continuation and not a one time event.
@psk6565 Your so called common church interpretation is a lie. And either you are just as dishonest as what you call (church history) or just ignorant. I'll let you determine that one. The greek word in question G-4160, does not mean continual or habitual...it is defined as A SINGLE ACT. So he who performs a SINGLE ACT of sin is of the Devil. If you are humble enough to to admit THIS truth, we can discuss Galations 2:11...If not, There is no need to bother. What say you?
@lildog73 I don't believe it is His intention to make believers sinless until they die. There is no biblical author that claims to be sinless, no church that is written to is sinless, no Scripture teaches sinless perfection. etc.
@psk6565 Why wouldn't it be God's intention to make us sinless? What joy do God get out of sin? Or do you think God is not mighty enough to deliver us from sin? Christ is King!!! and He don't take a knee and bow to no one. James 4:7, "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Do you give the devil a reason to flee from you?
@lildog73 It is my desire and longing to be sinless, but what is sin? Anything that is lower then the glory of God. Love does not get irritable. Do you ever get impatient? Are you ever unkind, always selfless, never seeking your own interest? I am not saying the Holy Spirit does not deliver from presumptous sins, but to claim you do not fall short of the glory of God is to be unaware of the glory of God. Catch a glimpse, you want claim to be sinless.
@psk6565 You err in scripture. Sin is the transgression of the law. Temptation is not a sin. Hebrews 4:15, "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." So if Jesus was tempted, that means that temptation is not a sin. If you truly desire to be sin free, is God not able to give you that desire?
@psk6565 So a man thinketh in his heart, he is...Walking righteously in the Spirit just isnt for you because of your lack of faith...not to mention, youre not an honest person in your quest for truth because you refuse to give an answer concerning your continual and habitual comment on 1John 3:9. Still waiting!
You forget: In Romans 3:23 it says, "For ALL have sinned & fallen short of the glory of God: That includes Christians! It DOES NOT put the present tense to rest because YOU'RE taking the whole verse outta context & making it mean something Paul never intended! He said what he meant, & he meant what he said, & that was, that as a believer, he still struggled with sin on a daily basis! He wasn't perfect, & neither are you!
@cyberman2 Gods word is so rock solid that it has you speaking nonsense in desperation of defending your flesh. The only thing you have proven is that you are unlearned and sinful...but Christ can heal all...have faith and take care.
I have a question... is an apostle different than a disciple? The 12 disciples were considered followers of Christ... I know they sinned during the time they were in the presence of Jesus. For example, Peter denying Christ 3 times. Was Peter still considered someone who was in Christ? Or did the disciples become sinless after Jesus died or something?
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. " If we are Christians, we are walking after the Spirit. However there are times when we do give in to the flesh still, and sin. That is because the flesh (sinful nature) still exists in us. However, if we walk by the Spirit we will have power to say no to the sinful nature. I agree with you that there needs to be repentance. What I disagree on is when you say that we...
@MattNicholson7 When you give in to the flesh, youre not walking after the Spirit now are you? How far in to my video did i say you become immediately perfect? How soon is determined on ones level of faith. But one first has to believe.
@MattNicholson7 , You mentioned to me about having a "bold" statement on a brother who works for Satan's video...1 John 4:17>>Herein is our love made PERFECT, that we may have BOLDNESS in the day of judgment: because as he(Jesus) is so are we IN THIS world. Like YOU admit sometimes you fall into sin, therefore CLEARLY you are not as he is in THIS world, without sin. You MUST be born AGAIN of God, for His seed remains IN His children & they can NOT sin(1 John 3:9) BELIEVE in the POWER of God.
@MattNicholson7 ,and I don't see how you can believe you are as Christ is in THIS world & still sin from time to time, BLASPHEMY! Repent, the time is NEAR.
@HolySpiritDwells It says "Herein our love is made perfect," not "from now on we are perfect and sinless just as Christ was perfect and sinless in this world."
@MattNicholson7 Are you seriously writing this? Did you miss," as he is so are we IN THIS world"...We are done here. You've listened to a powerful video and been scripturally checked by Truecore08 & myself, yet your carnal mind have you on lock down. Therefore I will no longer cast pearls to swine and fulfill Titus 3:10...Take your lack of faith and high five Vekl & company.
@HolySpiritDwells As He is so are we in this world. Not as He is PERFECT so are we in this world. That is not at all what this Scripture is saying... Yet you are using it to say that we are perfect..?
1 John 1:8 - 10, If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 3:7-9 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
If you think 1John 1:8-19 says you will sin everyday, then you are ignoreing the purpose for 1John found in 1John 2:1, also you are in opposition to the rest of the book of 1John. The Holy Bible isn't so that hypocrites can excuse an unholy life. If you are a sinner, the Bible says you are not a Christian. 1John 1:8-10 is about past sins, and the fact that sin exists. Nothing more. 1John 1:8 is about people that say lying, drunkenness, fornication etc. is not a sin. They are self deceived.
Romans 7:25 "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." If what you're saying is true, how can he still serve the law of sin with his flesh (since he's a Christian, as he just said "with the mind I myself serve the law of God")? Clearly the flesh doesn't completely die when we first become a Christian, and only God Himself can put it to death fully, and He will at the appointed time. That is our hope.
@MattNicholson7 When Paul says the word (FLESH)...he isnt talking about his BODY, he's talking about the state of his mind before his mind became Spiritual through Christ. Compare with Rom. 8:9...But ye are not in the flesh,but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you...Was Paul saying we dont have a fleshly body? No...He was saying, we dont operate with a fleshly mind but with a Spiritual one.
@TrueCore08 No he is talking about his present sinful nature. It is clear. A carnal mind does not equal flesh. A carnal mind obeys the desires of the flesh (sinful nature).
@TrueCore08 So, in 7:25 Paul was simply putting a close to his findings concerning having a Spiritual mind in Christ...and having a flesly mind under the law. With the Spiritual mind, he could serve the law of God. But with the fleshly mind, he could not stop sinning. We need to determine where we stand. Amen
@randyl74 You have a passion to defend sin that would make your father proud. For you continue faithfully in his legacy, proving yourself to be a loyal son.
paul was indeed speaking of his preconversion state goto gtm.org there are great sermons on that website
36742650885 1 month ago
@36742650885 Thanks, please tell all the folks there about the great sermons on this channel as well.
TrueCore08 1 month ago
So I just watched the first minute and a half of this video and I want to clarify before I watch any more =
You relate the Law to the Pharisees. "When we see Paul in the same context as the law, we have to think Pharisee.."
But Jesus came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it Matt 5:17-19
and the section you point out in Timothy also says "Now we know that the law is good, provided one uses it legitimately."(v. 6)
Why ought we to think Pharisee (bad) when the Law is a good thing?
PatriciaNicole2394 4 months ago
@PatriciaNicole2394 Why would I discuss my video with someone who refuses to honestly watch it ? Your questions have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this video. This is why it is IGNORANT to ask a question or make a comment about something you refuse to listen to first. If your heart tells you NOT to listen, then you should just be on your way. Every heart will not be established in truth, because truth isn't for every heart.
TrueCore08 4 months ago
@TrueCore08 I am sorry you are angry with me. I did watch 90 seconds of the video when I had a question. How can I watch the rest and understand it when I am already confused? That is not the way I process information.
This has nothing to do with listening to my heart, and everything to do with Bible-supported truth. This video was recommended to me by HolySpiritDwells after I asked him a question. But I will be on my way if this is the response I get....
PatriciaNicole2394 4 months ago
@PatriciaNicole2394 Take care
TrueCore08 4 months ago
@PatriciaNicole2394 james1:19 wherefore, my beloved brethren, let ever man be SWIFT TO HEAR, SLOW TO SPEAK, SLOW TO WRATH. If you would have listen past 90 sec.. your questioned would have been answered 1:00" There is no such thing as an Apostle under the Law..1 tim1:9 for the Law is not made for the righteous ".Your Quick to wrath proves your heart is harden on this matter. Your response should have been your right I should Have LISTEN too the video first. UR CONFUSION CAME FROM NOT LISTENING.
tabbath27 4 months ago
@tabbath27 And her pride wont allow her to admit it. Pride BREEDS confusion.
TrueCore08 4 months ago
@tabbath27 So in other words....the Law is bad?
PatriciaNicole2394 4 months ago
@PatriciaNicole2394 i'll make it plan to you.. Is the Law in the World Bad? Example only a theif fears going to jail for stealing, a murderer fears the death penalty.. But if I don't steal, and If I don't kill Why should I be Fearful of these LAWS!! So The LAW is For THE GUILTY to show you how wrong you are.. But we have a BIGGER issue at hand. YOU refuse to APOLOGIZE to Truecoreo8 & Holyspiritdwells for ur lack of respect to listen. Obivously u thought HSD advice was DOOKIE for u didn't listen
tabbath27 4 months ago
KILL the pride and Listen to GODS word Through His Servants. LEAN NOT ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDINGS BUT HEAR YWHW's REPENT!
tabbath27 4 months ago
@TrueCore08 -You're a real boof-head aren't you big fella.
You mean well but you're thick as 2 planks as we say in the Antipodes.
You've got decades of money hungry religious fakes like Bakker Graham Hinn Duplantis etc to learn from & warn you yet still you can't see Saul never said shite about Christ's words but rather created an occult deception over magic blood.
You're naive as Christ said one would come in his own name & be accepted & that man was the false apostle Saul.
spacelizardlaw 2 weeks ago
Could you please clarify why you chose the title of this video to include the words "as hell bound as Paul was"? The good news is that Paul repented and worked hard for the Lord. I am optimistic that Paul has a good spot with the Lord in Heaven, but I am not his judge.
Thank God that He is merciful, tender, and kind. He is the God of love and the God of all comfort.
field16 4 months ago
I titled it as such because Paul in Romans 7 was referring to is soul's state as a pharisee under the Law. Many say they can identify with Paul as he reveals how the bondage of sin dominated him spiritually. But what they fail to understand is, Paul was lost and wasn't describing a believers experience in Christ. Paul was describing how sin held him captive under the Law. Paul was yet in need of Christ to free him from the bondage of death. Which came later in verses 24 & 25 and chapter 8
TrueCore08 4 months ago
@TrueCore08 Alright, then, maybe one of your gifts is to put the fear of God into people. It's working on me!
field16 4 months ago
@field16 Teaching the fear of God is every teachers gift. If not, you're not a teacher sent from God. Proverbs 9:10...The FEAR of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Proverbs 10:27, 3:7, 8:13, 14:27, 15:16, 16:6, 19:23, Eccl 12:13...Let us hear the CONCLUSION of the WHOLE MATTER: FEAR GOD, and keep his commandments: for this is the WHOLE DUTY of MAN. All of these verses don't scratch the surface in number compared to all the ones remaining.
TrueCore08 4 months ago
@TrueCore08 Not everyone that goes to Heaven is a teacher. The body of Christ has many parts. We all have a role to fill and they are all important. Your gift is not the same as others. Agreed?
field16 4 months ago
@field16 I said "Teaching the fear of God is every TEACHERS gift" I didn't say it was every believers gift.
TrueCore08 4 months ago
@TrueCore08 So it appears you agree, but you didn't say so. Jesus is our #1 teacher and we all have a lot to learn. Hey, I'm just trying to make sure we're on the same side. :-) I did subscribe to you, and was hoping to learn with you. Encouragement is a gift, too, and is just as important.
I sincerely hope you will take the private message I sent to you to heart so we can come to agreement and learn together. Looking forward to your response. Peace.
field16 4 months ago
@field16 I received your personal message and will show you where your understanding and scripture are not compatible. I sincerely hope we come to an agreement that you need to be taught correctly. Eph.4:11...and he gave some Pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints...Either you are perfecting the saints or you are a saint being perfected. This is the will of God concerning order in the Church. If you desire to learn FROM me, I'm here. But to learn WITH me is your pride talking.
TrueCore08 4 months ago
@TrueCore08 You just accused me of sinning, but you are not my judge. Where is your love if you refuse to learn with me?
Ironically, You say I have pride from offering to learn WITH you instead of FROM you. There are teachers, but there are also prophets. There are also false prophets. NEVER let your guard down.
I desire to learn FROM Jesus and WITH my brothers. Iron sharpens Iron. If you are alone, how do you get sharpened?
field16 4 months ago
@field16 No sir, I didn't ACCUSE you of PRIDE. I POINTED OUT your PRIDE after your mouth REVEALED what was in the ABUNDANCE of your HEART. You refuse to SUBJECT yourself to Gods will concerning those whom God has sent to PERFECT SAINTS. When you REJECT TEACHERS whom JESUS has sent, you reject JESUS HIMSELF and the FATHER who sent him. Your wicked REBELLIOUS spirit rejects the Father, the Lord, and those whom the Lord has sent. Your own mouth has TESTIFIED against your REBELLIOUS HEART.
TrueCore08 4 months ago
@field16 ,Did the Church @ Corinth learn WITH Paul? NO, they learned FROM Paul as the Spirit of God increased Paul's knowledge/wisdom. Paul said, it is NO LONGER I who live, but Christ who liveth IN me. You have 'rejected' the Ephesians 4:11 which is God's divine order in His church which God appoints brethren for the PERFECTING of His sheep. That's whats wrong w/ the carnal mind, LOOKING at FLESH while DENYING the SPIRIT of CHRIST which REIGNS IN the person. This WAR is SPIRITUAL, get out.
HolySpiritDwells 4 months ago
I enjoyed the teaching, you are correct to see this as a lost man in chp 7. I see you have a fan of sorts, vekl. Thats good though, it will make one hone and sift their thoughts to back up with scripture what one claims they truly believe.
Romans7man 4 months ago
@Romans7man Yeah, I guess some people don't hate sin enough as Paul did in Romans 7 to be freed from it as he reveals in v.25 and in chapter 8 . They want the sin without the deliverance, and at the same time want eternal salvation. I don't think it's possible to be more double minded than that. But if there is a way, I'm sure he will figure it out.
TrueCore08 4 months ago
This may account for the somewhat confusing references to law that you point out in Romans 7.
88whoisjohngalt 5 months ago
@88whoisjohngalt I appreciate your attempt but the scripture is the only historical fact needed. The Holy Spirits inspiration has already done a perfect job concerning the historical facts. Take care
TrueCore08 5 months ago
His arrival often led to disturbances, provoked either by the Jewish authorities or by men with vested interests in pagan cults who feared for their livelihood if Paul made too many converts. Thus he was often subject to investigation or trial, when his Roman citizenship stood him in good stead. None of the judges found him guilty of offences against Roman law and interpreted the issues at stake as religious matters which concerned Jews alone. He was later, however, accused of treason.
88whoisjohngalt 5 months ago
Paul was originally a strict Pharisee and as non-Jews were baptized into the new faith, the problem arose whether Gentile converts must fully accept Jewish customs (Law). It was solved when Peter accepted the more liberal policy of Paul. Paul’s journeys into Asia Minor and Greece, as recorded in the Acts, were made possible by the pax Romana, while the existence of the koine, a Greek dialect that was common throughout the East, made preaching intelligible.
88whoisjohngalt 5 months ago
I like your biblical analysis but just wanted to add some historical facts to the discussion. Here are some more. During the last century B.C. the Jews in Palestine had been splitting up into sects: the pious Pharisees, the Scribes, the worldly Sadducees, the ascetic Essenes and the Qumran community of the Dead Sea. The establishment of new groups was a natural development, especially as the Jews continued to believe in the coming of a Messiah.
88whoisjohngalt 5 months ago
Christianity was thus to become a missionary and world-wide religion.
88whoisjohngalt 5 months ago
@88whoisjohngalt Please express your point in making this comment. Failed to see how it relates to the Romans 7 issue in which this video breaks down concerning Paul's pre-conversion or post.
TrueCore08 5 months ago
One of the fiercest of all the persecutors was a strict Pharisee, Saul of Tarsus, who was hunting down Christians with the blessing of the High Priest, until stopped by his extraordinary conversion while on the road to Damascus to persecute the Christians there. Using his Latin name Paul (he was a Roman citizen) the persecutor now became the champion of the faith and the Apostle of the Gentiles. Paul now carried the Christian message through the Roman world.
88whoisjohngalt 5 months ago
After the crucifixion, Jewish authorities, finding the Jesus followers instead of melting away were forming a new sect, decided to suppress it, as they had suppressed its founder. The first victim was Stephen: condemned by the Sanhedrin, he was stoned to death. By systematic persecution the Christian leaders were driven out of Jerusalem, some as far away as Syrian Antioch where they and their followers were first called Christians.
88whoisjohngalt 5 months ago
Romans 7:25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord (PAUL THANKS GOD FOR RENEWING HIS MIND THROUGH CHRIST SO...) So then with the (RENEWED MIND) I myself (CAN KEEP UNDER MY BODY, AND BRING IT INTO SUBJECTION 1Cor.9:27) and serve the Law of God; but with the flesh (UNRENEWED MIND VOID OF GOD'S SPIRIT) the law of sin (WHICH "WAS" IN HIS MEMBERS AS STATED IN V.23) The word "flesh" refers to an unrenewed mind...NOT his body. See Ch.8 v. 9...But ye are not in the FLESH, but in the SPIRIT.
TrueCore08 7 months ago
@FreedomMountain I know it's hard for the carnal mind to understand this. You must have faith in the spirit's ability and what God's Word says.
TrueCore08 7 months ago
People who try to assert that Paul is talking about his Present Tense life as a believer in Rom 7:14ff simply CAN NOT Reconcile Rom 6:6, 18, 20, 22; with Rom 7:14, 23, 25c.
In Romans 6 Paul teaches the Brethren that they're NOT slaves of sin & that if they are enslaved to sin they will die. v16, 21, 23.
The person in Rom 7 is clearly the slave of sin, he can not even do the good that he would.
To teach that Paul is referring to his life as a Christian in Rom 7, is a most dangerous folly
ChristusVlCTOR 7 months ago
@ChristusVlCTOR Yeah! Now that's what I'm talking about ChistusVICTOR. Teach...TEACH!!! Nice the way you explained it to Vekl. But I have already been around that block and I'm afraid his heart is set on justifying his flesh with Romans 7
TrueCore08 7 months ago
Again, I will ask just straight-up (I'm not trying to change Scripture, I don't disbelieve it, and if I have error in my thinking, I hope that your PERSONAL response can help me clear some things up). I just want to know about your own personal testimony--have you ever sinned since becoming a Christian? Yes? No? Maybe?
breenhill 8 months ago
@breenhill Again, If you don't believe the scriptures account concerning holiness, neither shall you believe the Spirits work concerning my walk. If I were a drug pushing murderer, that still doesn't change what the scriptures are requiring of you. Investigate the scriptures to prove all things...not man. Take care friend
TrueCore08 8 months ago
TrueCore08, I have only one question. I'm not trying to be aggressive, rude, sanctimonious, or sarcastic. I just want a clear, personal answer: Since the day you were saved, have you EVER sinned in heart, deed, or action? From the day you converted to Christ and had the Holy Spirit fill your heart, did you ever once commit ANY sort of sin, big or small?
breenhill 8 months ago
@breenhill If you don't believe the scriptures account concerning holiness, neither shall you believe the Spirits work concerning my walk. If I were a drug pushing murderer, that still doesn't change what the scriptures are requiring of you. Investigate the scriptures to prove all things...not man. Take care friend
TrueCore08 8 months ago
@jdtate58 A wolf in sheep's clothing will teach this chapter to enslave the souls of men that they remain in the bondage of sin and feel justified. Satan told Eve the same lie in the garden of Eden concerning the fruit of the tree...that if she were to sin against God, she shall not surely die. The wages of sin is death no matter how sweet Satan makes the deal sound. Amen!
TrueCore08 8 months ago
he also says clearly, “If we say we have so sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). Here John explicitly excludes the possibility of being completely free from sin in our lives. In fact, he says that anyone who claims to be free from sin is simply deceiving himself, and the truth is not in him.
breenhill 8 months ago
@breenhill , You wrote all this saying NOTHING...Clearly Satan is your father. Keep it movin'
HolySpiritDwells 8 months ago
@breenhill
Then I guess you're not "free" and "free indeed"-and if you understand the context/history of the 1st epistle of John, you'd know if was referencing the anti-Christ Gnostics of the time. Their teachings are referenced in 1 John a few times, 1) John defines sin, 1 John 3:4, Gnostics taught it was physical, 2) John says Christ came in the flesh, 1 John 4---Gnostics denied this, then finally--Gnostics taught sinlessness while they were in obvious sins, claiming "dead" flesh = no sin
droptozro 6 months ago
@droptozro Hello droptozro! Please don't come on my comment page talking about Gnostics and 1John. John didn't find it necessary to mention this group, so why do you promote them as if they've signed a recording contract with you? Teach what John taught and nothing more on the subject. BTW, we have somewhat of a history together. For you to come on my channel and ignore me is disrespectful. Especially when you have learned from me.
TrueCore08 6 months ago
@TrueCore08
Brother I was just trying to give context, John, Peter and Paul all debated them. I'm not teaching, I'm warning about their doctrines which are still prevalent today in many churches and many people do not understand what John was correcting. It jumps out like a sore thumb what John's addressing to just seek slight history in that epistle to believers.
I have no disagreement with you brother, I wish learning would go both ways... but I apologize since you've felt disrespect.
droptozro 6 months ago
@droptozro Bro, for you to say you were giving context is to say God did not. The prophet Isaiah has shown us...For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little. This refers to staying within the confines of inspired scripture for knowledge. The Holy Spirit chose his words in teaching us context and did not choose the words you do. If you wish one could learn from you, STAY WITHIN SCRIPTURE!
TrueCore08 6 months ago
@droptozro Don't get it misunderstood. The disrespect was not in the way you think about the text. It was in you failing to acknowledge the presence of one who has taught you after such a long time of no dialog. Then come on my comment page and and dialog with others without greeting me. Not a point of me feeling disrespected because I was not bruised by your disrespect. I was making your disrespect known to you because God has put me over you ( Hebrews 13:7 )
TrueCore08 6 months ago
@TrueCore08
Thank you for clarifying that. I did misunderstand the disrespect. I apologize---I had not known you as well, though I did watch many of your videos at my initial realization of how sinful I was living and claiming the name of Christ. I spoke more with brother DeMario at that time because you were not on youtube yet your videos were from the past, and had not given you as much acknowledgement. I've noticed your return, and appeal to your zeal... due to your videos I do (cont)
droptozro 6 months ago
@TrueCore08 ..do continually give thanks for you and your brother through Christ. You made the Scriptures come alive in my life, as I began obeying and speaking the truth to those around me. In Christ, I do always mention you and your brother as a beginning of my testimony for you spoke the unadultered truth to me in love to His glory and for my soul.
God bless you brother, I'm will do my best to acknowledge more and stay in contact--it's been a weakness of mine.
droptozro 6 months ago
The very fact that he issues these directions shows his realization that sin will continue to be present in the lives of believers throughout their time one earth. Even James the brother of our Lord c could say, “We all make many mistakes” (James 3:2), and if James himself can say this, then we certainly should be willing to say it as well. Finally, in the same letter in which John declares so frequently that a child of God will not continue in a pattern of sinful behavior,
breenhill 8 months ago
As we noted above, when Paul talks about the new power over sin that is given to a Christian, he does not say that there will be no sin in the Christian’s life, but simply tells the believers not to let sin “reign “in their bodies nor to “yield” their members to sin (Rom. 6:12-13). He does not say that they will not sin, but says that sin will not dominate or “have dominion” over them (Rom. 6:14).
breenhill 8 months ago
Just as the prayer for daily bread provides a model for a prayer that should be repeated each day, so the prayer for the forgiveness of sins is included in the type of prayer that should be made each day in a believer’s life.
breenhill 8 months ago
“Who can say, ‘I have made my heart clean; I am pure from my sin’?” And we read the explicit statement in Ecclesiastes 7:20, “Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.”
In the New Testament, we find Jesus commanding his disciples to pray, “Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our sins, as we also have forgiven those who sin against us” (Matt. 6:11-12, author’s translation).
breenhill 8 months ago
On the other hand, there are passages in both he Old and New Testaments that clearly teach that we cannot be morally perfect in this life. In Solomon’s prayer at the dedication of the temple, he says, “If they sin against you—for there is no man who does not sin” (1 Kings 8:46). Similarly, we read a rhetorical question with an implied negative answer in Proverbs 20:9:
breenhill 8 months ago
If these verses were taken to prove sinless perfection, they would have to prove it for all Christians, because they talk about what is true of everyone born of God, and everyone who has seen Christ and known him.
Therefore, there do not seem to be any convincing verses in Scripture that teach that it is possible for anyone to be completely free of sin in this life.
breenhill 8 months ago
“No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him” (1 John 3:6). This is similar to John’s statement a few verses later, “No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God” (1 John 3:9).
breenhill 8 months ago
or prays that God would sanctify the Thessalonians wholly (1 Thess. 5:23), he is pointing to the goal that he desires them to reach. He does not imply that any reach it, but only that this is the high moral standard toward which God wants all believers to aspire.
John’s statement that “No one who abides in him sins” (1 John 3:6) does not teach that some of us attain perfection, because the present-tense Greek verbs are better translated as indicating continual or habitual activity:
breenhill 8 months ago
this simply shows that God’s own absolute moral purity is the standard toward which we are to aim and the standard for which God holds us accountable. The fact that we are unable to attain that standard does not mean that it will be lowered; rather, it means that we need God’s grace and forgiveness to overcome our remaining sin. Similarly, when Paul commands the Corinthians to make holiness perfect in the fear of the Lord (2 Cor. 7:1),
breenhill 8 months ago
First, it is simply not taught in Scripture that when God gives a command, he also gives the ability to obey it in every case. God commands all people everywhere to obey all of his moral laws and holds them accountable for failing to obey them, even though unredeemed people are sinners and, as such, dead in trespasses and sins, and thus unable to obey God’s commands. When Jesus commands us to be perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect (Matt 5:48),
breenhill 8 months ago
In fact, John even says, “No one who abides in him sins” (1 John 3:6)! Do these verses not point to the possibility of sinless perfection in the life of some Christians? In this discussion, I will use the term perfectionism to refer to this view that sinless perfection is possible in this life.
On closer inspection, these passages do not support the perfectionist position.
breenhill 8 months ago
perfect in the fear of God”) and reasoned that since God gives us these commands, he must also give us the ability to obey them perfectly. Therefore, they have concluded, it is possible for us to attain a state of sinless perfection in this life. Moreover, they point to Paul’s prayer for the Thessalonians, “May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly” (1 Thess. 5:23), and infer that Paul’s prayer may well have been fulfilled for some of the Thessalonian Christians.
breenhill 8 months ago
Excerpt from Wayne Grudem’s Systematic Theology pg. 751 under title “Sanctification Is Never Completed in this Life.”
There have always been some in the history of the church who have taken commands such as Matthew 5:48 (“You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect”) or 2 Corinthians 7:1 (“let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness
breenhill 8 months ago
Just what do you think that you are doing here?? Are you accusing Paul of not being righteous?? You have totally misinterpreted Romans 7 for what it is meaning to say. If you have read the book of Romans, you would understand the order to which Paul is making his point. He speaks of having been under the law at one time. He then explains the law is good for it is there to let us know what sin is. When he speaks of carnality. He explains that we all have this fallen flesh that we fight daily.
RaptureOrTribulation 8 months ago
TrueCore08...are you born again? If you are, then the Holy Spirit should be living inside you helping to interpret What is being said by Paul here. Jesus is the Word of GOD and is speking to you through Paul. You need to pray about this and read this again very carefully. Paul wrote this to explain how all of us have a sinful flesh to which even he fights daily to walk righteously in Christ. This chapter 7 is important and you need to pray and reread this again. You have this all wrong!
RaptureOrTribulation 8 months ago
@RaptureOrTribulation Only those who are still sinning and lack faith cannot interpret what Paul is saying here. And that person used to be me until I humbled myself and allowed his spirit to enlighten me and then deliver me from the bondage that I also used to justify. A man can only bear witness to the things he has seen, and you cannot bear witness to walking without sin. Open your eyes and see with you faith that God may use you as a witness. Amen
TrueCore08 8 months ago
@TrueCore08 So, you are telling me that you dont sin anymore? Your mind is free from those feshly thoughts? The flesh is weak and through Christ we can be cleanses from those thoughts. You're are speaking as a self righteous man. Remember, we all will be subjected to sins that we stumble and He picks us back up and we keep going while we repent. If you say that isn't you, that is sin just by saying that. It is a lie as well as self righteousness to which Jesus despised!
RaptureOrTribulation 8 months ago
Luke 18:10-15 10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
RaptureOrTribulation 8 months ago
Luke 18:10-15
13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
RaptureOrTribulation 8 months ago
@RaptureOrTribulation A humble sinner can be saved, but the wicked hate righteousness!
TrueCore08 8 months ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
@KnowledgeOfTheFew Sorry, but you have not convinced me that you are that ignorant. Anyone 10 yrs of age and up can clearly see you have been answered and your love for darkness exposed. You do not serve the God of the scriptures but serve your own lustful desires. I rebuke your contentious spirit in the name of the Lord and may God grant you a heart of repentance because the ax is at the root of your tree.
TrueCore08 10 months ago
@KnowledgeOfTheFew I answered the question you asked me concerninig Heb 7:16, and you're welcome! Now lets go back to Rom 7 because its obvious your heart allows you to struggle with the context of the chapter. Romans 7:7...What shall we say then? is the LAW sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the LAW: For I had not known lust, except the LAW had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. It was MOSES who gave this LAW to Israel on the mount written by the finger of God. Take care
TrueCore08 10 months ago
@KnowledgeOfTheFew Heb 7:16 does not say the LAW was carnal. It says the COMMANDMENT was carnal in regards to the selection of PRIESTS. The commandment was all priests should come from the tribe of LEVI. The former Law appointed that the office should descend, upon the DEATH of the FATHER to the eldest SON, according to the order of CARNAL or natural generation...But with Christ as our HIGH PRIEST, this was not so. That of a carnal command ends with death. Christ lives and so does his Father.
TrueCore08 10 months ago
Actually Im only reiterating what the scriptures are already profoundly stating. 1John 3:3-10, 1John 2:3-6 and a host of other scriptures that man can not see unless God opens their eyes and they become converted. There be few that find and walk the straight and narrow road. James 2:14-26...Take care brother
TrueCore08 11 months ago
It seems you are stating, that after salvation, in order to maintain one's salvation, works are required. If these works are not produced, you are condemned to sin, and thus hell. Is that an accurate assessment of what you are stating overall?
Boanerges7 11 months ago
To grant you your premise, that Paul was not speaking of himself in the present tense of the time that he wrote this letter, or as a Christian, and then use the same thinking, you have to ask yourself was John a Christian, an Apostle and disciple of Christ speaking of himself in the same prior tense in 1John 1?
Boanerges7 11 months ago
I believe that Paul is making a comparative of himself under the law, vs. under grace. Yet, the chapter reflects the internal struggle that he still finds himself under. To accurately exegete his point, the full context of his perspective has to be revealed in this manner. I think verse 25 sum mates his exegetical intent.
Boanerges7 11 months ago
@Boanerges7 Sorry, Paul is not reflecting on any internal struggle as a christian. The internal dwelling of the Holy Spirit doesnt come until v.25 and carries on through chapter 8, which sets him free from the struggle being described in chapter 7. Christ comes to deliver him from the struggle in v.24...The fact of Christ having to come and DELIVER him is evidence of the Lords ABSENSE concerning Paul while wretched and bound to a body of death. If one is still sinning, they are not delivered.
TrueCore08 11 months ago
@TrueCore08 - According to the thought process you are stating here, the thought then begs the question, who then in history, aside from Yahsua, after acquire true knowledge of God, yet have sinned again, mind you it takes only one to be considered unworthy by YHWH. Would not then the entire world be condemned still, and also the blood of Yashua made ineffective? You only need to look at scripture to verify AFTER YHWH had reckoned these men righteous by faith, Abram, David, Jacob, all sinned.
Boanerges7 11 months ago
@Boanerges7 All these men you mentioned were not Born of God because Jesus had not yet sent his Holy Spirit to dwell in man after conquering SIN and DEATH through his suffering and resurrection. This did not happen until the book of Acts with the Apostles and the birth of the Church.
TrueCore08 11 months ago
@TrueCore08 - To press your point then, are you therefore asserting that these men were not reckoned as righteous before God, as scripture states? Or that David, in particular,was called BY YHWH, a man after His own heart? Scripture teaches that Abraham's faith was reckoned to him as righteousness! Paul speaks of Abraham's faith in his letter to the Galatians 3:9 "So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham." What then is the fate of all those in the OT according to you?
Boanerges7 11 months ago
@Boanerges7 No, I am not ASSERTING those men were not RECKONED as righteous. The only way a man could be counted righteous before the BLOOD of Christ, is to be RECKONED. But now the BLOOD is here for us to be MADE RIGHTEOUS, not RECKONED RIGHTEOUS. The promise to Abraham because of his FAITH is what gives us eternal hope in Christ...But for those who get caught up in O.T. men regarding their examples set for us...Jesus said this concerning those of his Kingdom...Matt.11:11.
TrueCore08 11 months ago
I see you have considered many things before presenting this teaching. Please also consider that the Galatian church was rebuked by the Apostle Paul for going back under the law. This proves that Paul who was under grace could on his own accord also go back under the law even as a Christian. This possibility raises a lot of questions to this doctrine,
Eyesalve4u 1 year ago
@Eyesalve4u Very true, Many are called but the chosen are few...Every one who was called out of Egypt into the wilderness didnt make it into the promised land. Those in the wilderness are being chastened that the MIGHT be a partaker of his Holiness Heb.12:10, BORN AGAIN. When the Holy Spirit convicts a mans heart, conception has taken place, CALLED. Conception is the beginning of life that leads to the NEW BIRTH. From conception to being BORN, many things can yet go wrong. See parable of sower
TrueCore08 1 year ago
Hi thankyou for your video regarding Romans 7. I think paul is describing the battle that christians face between the Spirit and the Flesh. Remmember how he writes, the flesh wars against the spirit vice verca,,,
mathias7777777777777 1 year ago
@mathias7777777777777 When you say spirit, do you mean Holy spirit?
TrueCore08 1 year ago
we are a new creation and the old has passed away! Once we understand what Jesus did on the cross we can walk in the fullness of our true identity in Christ. Sin has been conquered and we are made new, this is GOOD NEWS!!!..keep feeding the flock my brother, God bless you!
Besio222 1 year ago
@Besio222 God bless you
TrueCore08 1 year ago
Rightly diVide the Word of truth my brother..Well done.
artenjoy 1 year ago
If Jesus was in any temple +man that claims belief in Jesus ,he would be in every church and mosquee and every christian and muslim would have the moral conduct of Jesus coz He would have thrown out sin.as he turned over the tables
you try arguments against paul s christianity but i don t understand why/where you really disagree with what he said/what actually bothers you from what he preached?
delagrazia 1 year ago
If jesus "is in your temple"he will not allow sin /but for that u need to have His faith (+) /in this case u wont sin anyway/but u-r body is still weak and subject to temptation(as paul s) that s why u need to be permanently vigilent as jesus said in many parables /final salvation comes at the second coming of jesus as john sais
delagrazia 1 year ago
Jesus was.carnal(was born-had a body-died on cross-tempted by devil).by CHOICEto show humankind the path to god from a human perspective .
Paul is not" OPPOSiTE of what is spiritual" but both carnal(but not by choice as jesus) AND spiritual (that was his choice :strong faith to god-jesus)
His body is carnal(thats why he sais:nothing good in my body)
his mind spirit filled.
delagrazia 1 year ago
That was a bit deep, but a really good study! God gave me something similar a few years back... Romans basically walks us through the diverse relations us humans have with God, how we strayed away, how we get caught up into the vices we do, (Ch 1). Then, starting in Ch. 2-3, Paul begins to turn his focus on the law-keepers (Jews). He shows they are no better off than those they condemn. Paul continues to speak to the Jews, read 7:1. (Jews are those that seek God - but not through Jesus).
billyhutchings 1 year ago
and i suppose david..who yah loved..was just not saved cause he commited MURDER and ADULTERY....i guess he wasnt spirit filled ad capable of error..oh yes he must not have had teh "HOLY SPIRIT" youc hristians have no conept of hebrew nor of the torah and preach lawlessness
steve777ism 1 year ago
paul was never a christian lol this is silliness he was an orthodox pharsisee who kept the torah..he did not keep teh rabbnic oral law or teh animal sacrfice but he kept teh shabbat and the rest of teh torah stop being lawless and promoting lawlessness
steve777ism 1 year ago
@steve777ism You know, There is a reason why you have no subscribers!
TrueCore08 1 year ago
Amen! this is the backbone for many of the "we all sin and its ok to" argument. good message and discernment.
Pablokolter 1 year ago
@Pablokolter YES YES AND AMEN
TrueCore08 1 year ago
I'm coming back months after responding to this. NB3K absolutely tore your argument up. Romans 3 says in the unregenerate state "none seek God". Then Paul says he seeks God and he seeks to do whats right. We aren't giving people an excuse to sin. We are saying that Christians DO struggle with sin. We have that new man who desires right, but the old man who desires to do wrong. It's a constant battle between the two, but praise God for His grace through it all.
ReppinTha116 1 year ago
@ReppinTha116 Well you may need to take more months to 1st understand an argument before you claim victory over it. A lot of Christians do commit sin, but those who are BORN AGAIN do not commit sin, (1John 3).Paul as an Apostle was indeed BORN AGAIN but in Romans 7, Paul was refering to himself as a Pharisee under the law...this is why he uses the word law. LAW=PHARISEE CHRIST=APOSTLE when discussing Paul. Take care
TrueCore08 1 year ago
Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
No he is speaking of his regenerate state. Because Paul says for he has the desire to do what is right. A unregenerate man would not have the desire to do what is right. When Paul was thrown off his horse in his conversion, he most assurdly did not have the desire to do what was right when he was going after christians and killing them
NB3K 1 year ago
@NB3K Think about what you are saying ...If unregenerated men have no desire to do whats right...How would anyone ever become saved? Follow Gods word and stop listening to your flesh. Amen
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 Come on I just showed in Romans 7 where Paul is speaking about having the desire to do what is right. I then contrasted it with Paul in the account of his conversion and his unregenerate state as Saul.Rom 3:10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
Rom 3:11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.
Rom 3:12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
Look Paul states it clearly "NO ONE SEEKS FOR GOD"
NB3K 1 year ago
@NB3K For as long as you say you see...You shall remain blind.
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 wrote,"How would anyone ever become saved?"
If anyone gets saved it is because God has made the person alive in Christ and given them a new heart. It is not the person giving his heart or doing anything, but it is God performing the act of regeneration through the power of the word. Joh 3:3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
If one is not born again and he cannot see the kingdom how can he choose God?
NB3K 1 year ago
@NB3K Seek and you shall find. knock and the door shall be opened unto you.
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 So to get back to Romans 7, if Paul had the desire to do what was right, then it must have been God through the Holy Spirit that put it in him. Because he says for there is nothing good in me that is of my flesh. It is the same teaching of Jesus, that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit you must be born again. The flesh profits nothing. God must make man a new heart and spirit before he can even come to Christ.
NB3K 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 I know it will be hard for you to understand this, but your theology may be wrong. I could help you. All I do everyday is study the Word of God. I did not come to my postion that is the Biblical position with out instruction either.
NB3K 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 You simply do not understand Scripture. Man wants to obey God only after they are born again. Man does not become born again after they have faith but before they have faith. Salvation is a work of God and not of man.
psk6565 1 year ago
@psk6565 Your response is proof of the damage Satan did in the Garden of Eden concerning the deceitfulness of sin. Since you believe i dont understand Scripture...can you explain 1John 3:9 that we all may understand the result of one who is born again?
TrueCore08 1 year ago
Habitual sin. Gods people show to sin after conversion all through out scripture, but the issue is habitual, continual sin.
psk6565 1 year ago
@psk6565 Im sorry, i didnt see the word habitual or continual in the text. What verse do you see that in again?
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 Do you claim Peter was not born again? 1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life.
What is this?
psk6565 1 year ago
@psk6565 I never said Peter sinned after conversion. But i did ask you where habitual and continual were found in the text of 1John 3:9...be honest or be gone to a different channel.
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 I do say Peter sinned after conversion Galations 2:11 11But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
1 John 3:9 "No one born of God makes a practice of sinning..." The common interpretation in church history is a continual and making a practice of sinning.
The greek for "sin" is in the present tense which has the idea of continuation and not a one time event.
psk6565 1 year ago
@psk6565 Your so called common church interpretation is a lie. And either you are just as dishonest as what you call (church history) or just ignorant. I'll let you determine that one. The greek word in question G-4160, does not mean continual or habitual...it is defined as A SINGLE ACT. So he who performs a SINGLE ACT of sin is of the Devil. If you are humble enough to to admit THIS truth, we can discuss Galations 2:11...If not, There is no need to bother. What say you?
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 I guess you can't just tell me about Peter.
psk6565 1 year ago
@psk6565 Sorry, but trying to ignore 1John 3:9 will not fly here. Goodbye!
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@psk6565 Do you believe the Holy Spirit is not able to conquer sin in your life?
lildog73 1 year ago
@lildog73 I don't believe it is His intention to make believers sinless until they die. There is no biblical author that claims to be sinless, no church that is written to is sinless, no Scripture teaches sinless perfection. etc.
psk6565 1 year ago
@psk6565 Why wouldn't it be God's intention to make us sinless? What joy do God get out of sin? Or do you think God is not mighty enough to deliver us from sin? Christ is King!!! and He don't take a knee and bow to no one. James 4:7, "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Do you give the devil a reason to flee from you?
lildog73 1 year ago
@lildog73 It is my desire and longing to be sinless, but what is sin? Anything that is lower then the glory of God. Love does not get irritable. Do you ever get impatient? Are you ever unkind, always selfless, never seeking your own interest? I am not saying the Holy Spirit does not deliver from presumptous sins, but to claim you do not fall short of the glory of God is to be unaware of the glory of God. Catch a glimpse, you want claim to be sinless.
psk6565 1 year ago
@psk6565 You err in scripture. Sin is the transgression of the law. Temptation is not a sin. Hebrews 4:15, "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." So if Jesus was tempted, that means that temptation is not a sin. If you truly desire to be sin free, is God not able to give you that desire?
lildog73 1 year ago
@lildog73 Handle the Lords business lildog!
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@lildog73 i agree
delagrazia 1 year ago
@psk6565 Interpretation.
psk6565 1 year ago
@psk6565 So a man thinketh in his heart, he is...Walking righteously in the Spirit just isnt for you because of your lack of faith...not to mention, youre not an honest person in your quest for truth because you refuse to give an answer concerning your continual and habitual comment on 1John 3:9. Still waiting!
TrueCore08 1 year ago
You forget: In Romans 3:23 it says, "For ALL have sinned & fallen short of the glory of God: That includes Christians! It DOES NOT put the present tense to rest because YOU'RE taking the whole verse outta context & making it mean something Paul never intended! He said what he meant, & he meant what he said, & that was, that as a believer, he still struggled with sin on a daily basis! He wasn't perfect, & neither are you!
cyberman2 1 year ago
@cyberman2 Gods word is so rock solid that it has you speaking nonsense in desperation of defending your flesh. The only thing you have proven is that you are unlearned and sinful...but Christ can heal all...have faith and take care.
TrueCore08 1 year ago
I have a question... is an apostle different than a disciple? The 12 disciples were considered followers of Christ... I know they sinned during the time they were in the presence of Jesus. For example, Peter denying Christ 3 times. Was Peter still considered someone who was in Christ? Or did the disciples become sinless after Jesus died or something?
IAmANaturalBeauty 1 year ago
become immediately perfect.
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. " If we are Christians, we are walking after the Spirit. However there are times when we do give in to the flesh still, and sin. That is because the flesh (sinful nature) still exists in us. However, if we walk by the Spirit we will have power to say no to the sinful nature. I agree with you that there needs to be repentance. What I disagree on is when you say that we...
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
@MattNicholson7 When you give in to the flesh, youre not walking after the Spirit now are you? How far in to my video did i say you become immediately perfect? How soon is determined on ones level of faith. But one first has to believe.
TrueCore08 1 year ago
How did come about that you became perfect then?
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
@MattNicholson7 , You mentioned to me about having a "bold" statement on a brother who works for Satan's video...1 John 4:17>>Herein is our love made PERFECT, that we may have BOLDNESS in the day of judgment: because as he(Jesus) is so are we IN THIS world. Like YOU admit sometimes you fall into sin, therefore CLEARLY you are not as he is in THIS world, without sin. You MUST be born AGAIN of God, for His seed remains IN His children & they can NOT sin(1 John 3:9) BELIEVE in the POWER of God.
HolySpiritDwells 1 year ago
@HolySpiritDwells I don't understand how you think that verse means you are perfect.
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
@MattNicholson7 ,and I don't see how you can believe you are as Christ is in THIS world & still sin from time to time, BLASPHEMY! Repent, the time is NEAR.
HolySpiritDwells 1 year ago
@HolySpiritDwells Notice how it doesn't say Christians are in the world as Christ was sinless in this world? It's not saying we are perfect.
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
@HolySpiritDwells It says "Herein our love is made perfect," not "from now on we are perfect and sinless just as Christ was perfect and sinless in this world."
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
@MattNicholson7 Are you seriously writing this? Did you miss," as he is so are we IN THIS world"...We are done here. You've listened to a powerful video and been scripturally checked by Truecore08 & myself, yet your carnal mind have you on lock down. Therefore I will no longer cast pearls to swine and fulfill Titus 3:10...Take your lack of faith and high five Vekl & company.
May God soften your heart.
HolySpiritDwells 1 year ago
@HolySpiritDwells As He is so are we in this world. Not as He is PERFECT so are we in this world. That is not at all what this Scripture is saying... Yet you are using it to say that we are perfect..?
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
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randyl74 1 year ago
1 John 1:8 - 10, If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
randyl74 1 year ago
@randyl74 I sent you my vid on that book and verse. Take care
TrueCore08 1 year ago
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TracyB777 1 year ago
1John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
TracyB777 1 year ago
@TracyB777 Thanks for weighing in
TrueCore08 1 year ago
1John 2:3-4
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
TracyB777 1 year ago
1John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
TracyB777 1 year ago
1John 3:7-9 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
TracyB777 1 year ago
If you think 1John 1:8-19 says you will sin everyday, then you are ignoreing the purpose for 1John found in 1John 2:1, also you are in opposition to the rest of the book of 1John. The Holy Bible isn't so that hypocrites can excuse an unholy life. If you are a sinner, the Bible says you are not a Christian. 1John 1:8-10 is about past sins, and the fact that sin exists. Nothing more. 1John 1:8 is about people that say lying, drunkenness, fornication etc. is not a sin. They are self deceived.
TracyB777 1 year ago
Romans 7:25 "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." If what you're saying is true, how can he still serve the law of sin with his flesh (since he's a Christian, as he just said "with the mind I myself serve the law of God")? Clearly the flesh doesn't completely die when we first become a Christian, and only God Himself can put it to death fully, and He will at the appointed time. That is our hope.
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
@MattNicholson7 When Paul says the word (FLESH)...he isnt talking about his BODY, he's talking about the state of his mind before his mind became Spiritual through Christ. Compare with Rom. 8:9...But ye are not in the flesh,but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you...Was Paul saying we dont have a fleshly body? No...He was saying, we dont operate with a fleshly mind but with a Spiritual one.
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 No he is talking about his present sinful nature. It is clear. A carnal mind does not equal flesh. A carnal mind obeys the desires of the flesh (sinful nature).
MattNicholson7 1 year ago
@MattNicholson7 ROMANS 8:9 Was Paul saying we are not in a flesly body?
TrueCore08 1 year ago
@TrueCore08 So, in 7:25 Paul was simply putting a close to his findings concerning having a Spiritual mind in Christ...and having a flesly mind under the law. With the Spiritual mind, he could serve the law of God. But with the fleshly mind, he could not stop sinning. We need to determine where we stand. Amen
TrueCore08 1 year ago
Some of the worst exegesis I have ever heard in this video. If you think you have not sinned you make God a liar.
randyl74 1 year ago
@randyl74 You have a passion to defend sin that would make your father proud. For you continue faithfully in his legacy, proving yourself to be a loyal son.
TrueCore08 1 year ago