I read Revelations at the age of 13 or 14, because I was interested in being a Christian. I got turned off almost immediately.
Revelations was a huge orgy of death, destruction and suffering for the nonbelievers. The Christians always said "God loves everyone", so why would a loving god do this sort of shit to the people he created? Even against nonbelievers, it was really, really harsh.
It seemed that God wanted the nonbelievers to suffer and hurt and bleed. Just for not believing.
You've got some pretty gruesome images there of murdered people. Could you put some sort of disclaimer on it, via an annotation at the beginning? Thanks.
Hallucinations are commonly associated with deep emotional moments in our lives, and often people associate these moments with a "God" or some type of spirit interacting with them. There is millions of accounts of people "seeing" various different things, from deity's, to multidimensional beings.
What are the chances that what you have seen is truly a "deity" at work? Especially considering others have seen conflicting deity's which cant co-exist.
We know well of many different people from different religions claiming of miracle healing's from "their God". There is also medical practices that have very low chances of survival among their patients, is this a "miracle of God" every time this medical procedure goes well? Don't factors like mental conviction, environmental stimulation, and other non "deity" based things need to be considered as possibly reasons for this "miracle"?
@NeutralExistence : Mental conviction and environmental stimulation check out fine. Those aside, the doctor said the chemo wouldn't make the stage 4 tumors go away, it would only shrink them. Nine months later, said tumors, gone.
By mental conviction I mean people's conviction that they will get better, which has been shown in placebo tests to improve their chances, or at least improve their last days. Environmental can constitute factors such as radiation, electromagnetic changes in the earth due to the sun's position, or flares on its surface. I am not trying to diminish the beauty of your mother recovering from such a cancer, I just am skeptic about it being a "deity".
@NeutralExistence : It wasn't my mom, it was my aunt. But that's beside the point. I knew what you meant by mental conviction. My Aunt is usually a naturally chipper person, though she did have her rough times through the last nine months. And I don't see what the sun's position or anything like that have to do with anything. I suppose you kind of had to be there.
The suns position has a-lot to do with everything on earth, it is the difference between life, and death. There is several different spectrum's of light the sun gives off, some that can cause, and most likely cure different "diseases". There is also natural vitamins such as Vitamin B-17, which occurs in apricot seeds (Nitrilosides), that seem to be a anti-cancer medicine as well. Diets have a large factor on recovering from all illnesses.
@NeutralExistence : You bring up an interesting point. You said the position of the sun is the difference between life and death. I agree with you. If the sun is too close to the Earth, we burn to death. Too far away, we freeze to death. Now, given that, don't you find it interesting that the sun "just happened" to wind up where it did? Doesn't that give you even the slightest clue that Intelligence was behind the sun's development?
Yes, the chance was very very small that such a thing would happen, but in a universe made up of billions of stars you are bound to have patterns, and random occurrences that to us might look designed. We know that even random number generators seem to generate patterns sometimes, which is quite amazing indeed. Random is quite based on perspective as well, to one person's view it might be random, to another it might be designed.
Cont.. not to mention we now know that the balance is no where near perfect like many claim, at least not in the sense many are claiming. There was meteor showers on earth for 30+ million years, and this rock was nothing but oceans for millions more. We can attribute our life a bit to chance for sure, but there is significant important evolutionary factors that went into our creation as well. It took us millions of years to get where we are today.
The Big Bang is the currently accepted theory for life as we know it, however people are uncertain what created the universe, and there is many different theory's. That is the beauty of science, you admit that we do not know for sure, and need to research it better in order to know for sure. Science doesn't reject that a deity doesn't exist since we have no evidence to prove this, but it is very unlikely/illogical, so it is not pursued.
Its hard to explain within the given character limit.
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Basically it was caused by the universe expanding rapidly, kind of like heating up a popcorn kernel till it explodes into popcorn. Bad explanation, but it gives a basic gist of what its about. Well several factors make a deity so unlikely/illogical, first we have no evidence of such a thing existing, secondly there is several conflicting religions which reject each-others deity's.
Thirdly there is the paradox of "Could God create a rock so big he couldn't lift it?", since if he couldn't lift it he is not all powerful, and if he couldn't create it then he isn't all powerful either. Fourthly there is many many other paradox, or conundrums like this, such as SIN, why give humans free though, then judge them for using it? The idea that God will send people to hell for not believing in him, but forgive rapists just for confessing.
@NeutralExistence : According to Romans 1, there is plenty of evidence all around you just by using your eyes. Humans have free will, and the right to choose sin, because God wants them to choose love and Him. He could have created a bunch of robots, but that's not what He wanted. Basically what you are saying here is that you deserve forgiveness for not believing, but somebody else who commits a sin doesn't deserve forgiveness. That is playing favorites, and God doesn't do that.
According to a book, written by man. How do you know this is not the devil deceiving us all in this book? How do you know this is truly the book of God? So he is basically playing a game with us, giving us the ability to do wrong, but not telling us the difference between wrong, and right? It clearly states in the bible that some one who does not believe in God will go to hell, but a sinner can repent. How is that just? Sounds evil to me.
@NeutralExistence : It's perfectly just. A nonbeliever is just like any other sinner and can repent just like any other sinner. You are not different from the rest of us.
They can repent for not believing, but will never be accepted into heaven unless they believe in God. That is a fully selfish, and evil way for a being that has the ability to teach us the right path before being judged, but chooses to damn us instead.Like stated before how do you know you are following the book of God, how do you now you aren't being deceived as we speak by a false religion which has bad intentions? Do you put faith in a man made book?
@NeutralExistence : That's kind of what repentance means. A person can't repent to a being they don't believe exists. The faith comes first, then the repentance.
God has taught you the right path. It's right there in the Bible. The right path is Jesus Christ. He hasn't left you to figure it out for yourself.
I put my faith in God. I know that I am not being deceived because God has proven Himself in my life time and time again.
The bible seems to tell me it is okay to keep slaves, is this the path of God?
Here is something that confuses me as well.
"" Proverbs 6:16-17 tells us that God hates "hands that shed innocent blood." And yet he sent his Son to suffer precisely that fate.
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How does this make sense, and if God sacrificed his son so that we may not be punished for our mistakes, why are people still sent to hell for their mistakes?
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
It was a reality that was shown as positive in the bible.... What a God who created "lesser humans" to be slaves for the White man.... Ya I think I am starting to see why people are so scared of religious people, justifying slavery based on it "being a reality", or some man made book is insanity.
This just further embodies my point, what fucking insanity, repent, and that some how makes your crimes alright. Not to mention "honor killings"....
It clearly states in Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT that it is perfectly okay to keep slaves. There is no oh its just a reality, its telling you that its OKAY to keep slaves. This part of the bible was used to justify slavery for centuries, and is clearly a perfect example of the misguided nature of the authors. The very fact that you think its okay to keep slaves because a book created by men says so is pure insanity.
Adding on to what NeutralExistence said, it also says in Leviticus that you are not only allowed to keep slaves, but you are also allowed beat your slaves and that God will not punish you if your slave does not die from the beating.
The Bible also says that if your child is disobedient, you must take them to the edge of town, where you and the other villagers must stone YOUR CHILD to death. Oh, and you have to throw the first stone.
Do you follow the Ten Commandments? Since those are Old Testament, you should throw them out as well.
It also said in the Bible that God is unchanging, so his will is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Therefore, he still condones those things. It never said in the New Testaments that stoning your child etc. was bad. Jesus never corrected those things.
Since the whole Bible is ancient, you should chuck it out.
@foojuice101 : The Ten Commandments are God's law. God's law will remain forever. Stoning was man's law. That's why Jesus saved the woman accused of adultery from being stoned to death.
And that's why the Bible is inconsistent. It's filled with inconsistencies. The Bible says that God said that you are not allowed to approach a woman on her period, then Jesus goes off and does that. The Bible contradicts itself.
Also, stoning was man's law BECAUSE God said to do it.
God also ordered mass genocide and rape, for anyone who is of different race/belief. Are you going to tell me that man made that up? Are you going to do that? You should, since it's God's law.
It was a GOD MADE RULE. He considered women on their period to be "unclean" so he told everyone not to go near them.
You still didn't answer my question about the God-ordered, mass genocide of anyone who doesn't believe in him. Would you do it? It's one of God's laws.
@foojuice101 : He likely meant not to have sex with a woman on her month.
Yes, there was a mass flood wiping out most of humanity. The Bible is very clear that the wicked will be destroyed. Seeing as how I do not have the power to flood the entire Earth, no, I would not do it. God already did it.
No, he meant to not APPROACH a woman on her month.
Also, I was not referring to the flood. I was referring to all the holy wars in the Bible, where GOD ordered men to slaughter people only because they didn't believe in him, or they worshipped some other god.
Would you carry that order out, since God told all his followers to do that? Or do you think that genocide is wrong?
@foojuice101 : A human being using their own free will to take the life of another human being is wrong. If God decided to take someone's life, it was right and just.
Read the Bible PROPERLY and FULLY, and you might see that your God is not a fair god. You'd see that he tricks people and then punishes them for doing something that they were tricked into doing (eg. Pharaoh marrying Sarah, who pretended to be someone else -> God punishing Pharaoh because Sarah was Abraham's wife, and Pharaoh didn't know because she tricked him -> S&A go unpunished for lying aka. sinning).
@SummerSunshine1988 a self fulfilling prophecy, it does not take a genius to see you will be ridiculed for the actions that went on in the bile, well done you have just proven with one comment how stupid you Christians are, goodbye and goodnight :)
@SummerSunshine1988 anyone who defends rape of woman, killing of innocents, killing of babies etc... is evil that is a general consensus that is evil, any person that defends evil is evil. you have fun with your baby killing god, and we live in the real world, happy dreams :)
@SummerSunshine1988 the bible condones rape, and by defending it you do as well, babies are not evil or need to be saved, evil religion, evil morality, evil followers
@loudman12 : Everyone needs to be saved. It's true that babies have not had time to commit any sins of their own. But when they are born they are born with the curse just like the rest of us.
@SummerSunshine1988 ah yes the original sin guilt trip, look unlike other people actually think (I know that is a word you Christians are scared of) no one has a curse, no one is born in sin. The only people that believe this are people who believe in a 2000 year old bronze age myth. Any god that judges us based on what he created us as, is sick. Your morality in the bible is sick, ( fundamentalist Christian i was for 20 years) the day i became free was when i used my brain
@SummerSunshine1988 Again you assert this as again you can not prove god exsist's so you going on a myth the same way a hindu does or a muslim or a jew, in their words, your going to hell,
Do you believe the death penalty is wrong then? Also, What if god is commanding humans or other creatures to do the killing. Is it wrong then? How do we punish, let alone prove the validity of such a claim?
@Wiredkid1 : Everyone who knows me knows that I am 150% anti-death penalty. If a death is at the specific command of God, then that is His right to take a life or spare a life. A mere human being, however, has no right to do such a thing of their own will.
@SummerSunshine1988 "What if god is commanding humans or other creatures to do the killing?" So if god is commanding a person to kill another person, you take no quarrel with this?
@SummerSunshine1988 So how do you know he's not implementing that right all the time through his glorious work of the prisons, abortion clinics, military, and serial killers?
@SummerSunshine1988 so what if they are? Man invented the sword, and there's plenty of tell in the bible of how god put that to work. I'll repeat the question..How do you KNOW god isn't implementing his right to kill people through modern means such as the death penalty, abortions, the military and murderers? How are these any different then god commanding the killing children in the bible at any other point? Is god not allowed to modernize?
@SummerSunshine1988 So if they were using swords as a form execution it would be god's will, still? Or if babies were slammed against walls until they were dead, this would be an ok form of abortion?
That response is so not right...It's not even wrong. "What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
@SummerSunshine1988 It's a quote from a movie used as a commentary on your previous statement. Please, elaborate god's system of grace, since you know his will so well.
@Wiredkid1 : Oh, sorry for the confusion. I must have never seen that movie. Anyway, God's grace system is basically that Jesus died for your sins, and you can be forgiven through the blood of Christ.
@SummerSunshine1988 You're completely ignoring the subject at hand. You might as well be throwing your hands over your ears and screaming "nanana JESUS!!!!" I hope you are either young, or are pretending to be retarded for the internets sake. Good day, sir.
@SummerSunshine1988 ok, that is better than a book, but I'd rather get inspiration from people who are alive today or were recently alive than from someone that I'm not even sure existed, but he probably did, and he must have been a great guy.
@SummerSunshine1988 Sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, but there is no reason to believe there is a heaven...........and it was you parents putting presents under the tree all those years. Again, sorry; no one wants to be the last kid in class to find that out.
So you may rape/murder, and you will not go to hell? Only if you deny the holy spirit? Per-say one rapes, and murders in the name of God, and the Holy Spirit (Crusades). Does this make it alright? As I have demonstrated in the last comment, it says you may keep slaves of all the people, except the people of Israel. It also goes more into depth about this is Exodus, which is the law of Christianity if I am not mistaken.
This story is very similar to my own experience, but I have one major gripe with it. Why would you keep a collage of spiders on the screen for that long? Could you not have used insects as an example, rather than arachnids? Truly, it was horrifying...
I concur with all that you have stated thus far. I am but 22 years of age and have already endured a very similar chain of events. Those of which led me to not only discover how untrue all religion is, but also the deprogramming of my entire mind from this Matrix of dishonesty : Politics, current events, Science I could go on... Thankyou for showing me I am not the only one out here. I have been criticized by not only my loved ones but friends as well . However I remain steadfast.
I noticed that in a history of god part 1 you said that P was from around 600 BCE but in this one he is from around 700 BCE. Could I get a comment on that?
if I understand, you read a book that said that there were many different authors for the bible. and you believed that book? why? did you verify that they got it right? did you actually find out who P was? and the other 3 authors? did you prove that the author got it right? just wondering.
The 150-day biblical flood myth, during which time three birds are sent out and land arises, is based on the annual 150-day Nile flood, and the myth that land mound arises out of the flood (called the Nun) out of which a bird bursts forth carrying the sun (Ra) on its head. This genesis model of Ra born of Nun became re-written as the monotheistic version of Ab-Ra-ham descendent from Noah by ten generations. In the Vedas, it was re-written as the story of MaNu landing on a mound after the flood.
The story of Elisha and the bears stuck out to me when I deconverted, too. Also, to my shame, despite being a Christian for many years, I wasn't even aware of that story in the bible! Before hearing that, I entertained the idea that the bible was not the inerrant word of god, upon reading it, I was absolutely certain it wasn't.
Thank god for being agnostic. It seems like both sides have forgotten an important rule behind your beliefs. "Thou shall cherish thy own beliefs, and not be a dick about them"
I thank this person for the insight into the mind of the believer. As an Atheist from birth, it has always been impossible for me to get my head around how people believe in this fairy tale. It's not 1000's but millions we are talking about here. I knew allot of what he was saying with regards to the timelines as there's been a few docs on that although I can't fathom why the powers (whoever that is) would wish to continue this fairy tale?
What this guys talking about with regards to discrepancies in the timeline of the Torah is well known to the Churches. They know this is all human manipulated bs which is why only a handful of people are allowed to see the secret documents at the Vatican. They guard that place like a military base as they don't want any of this getting out. It's comical when you think about it. Millions upon millions of people being manipulated deliberately in such a blatant way.
LOL....I see you use the haunting background music and god-like reverb...that is a psychological tactic you're using to influence the mind. This presentation is not as good as the previous...and by not as good meaning though the previous video is easily refuted, this one much more easily.
@KnightOneDark I never said these documents were infallible, you are misrepresenting my argument. I said they are reliable. Reliability does not gurantee 100% accuracy, but a very very high rate of truth. Okay, don't worship the bible, just believe in it with no evidence. Stop misrepresnting and exaggerating my points to make them seem incorrect, that is called a Strawman fallacy. Feeling particularly fallacious today?
As of this point, I hear you saying, "My professor said a book proved my god false, and I believed him." Hopefully I've missed something important here; otherwise, you exchanged one god for another. There's nothing unusual about that, but I hope I'm wrong about you. I will continue watching the series.
@KnightOneDark If you had watched the whole series it's THE professor, not his professor. He was never a student of this man or had a class with him. He was a man he started to argue with online, and soon started losing to.
Also, you're using a logical fallacy, an ad hominum attack against professors. If what the man was saying was truth and logical and evidence backed, then it wouldn't matter if it was a hobo or the president talking to him.
@AnonymousAscendent Really? You're going to pull out so-called logic by saying I attacked all professors? I don't care if the professor (yes, the Amazon guy) is a dog, a cat, a demon, or a pile of crap. If the creator of this series took the pile of crap's word for truth without investigating the "truth" himself, he exchanged one god for another. If Christians can't believe in books just because someone said they should, neither can atheists; fair is fair.
@KnightOneDark It's not so-called logic, it's logic. Look up a list of logical fallacies and look up ad hominum. Also, it's not exchanging Gods because he does not worship this person, think him the creator of the universe, or think him all knowing and all powerful. Having admiration and respect for someone does not make you think they are a god, and neither does losing to an argument. If you watch the video he has hundreds of exterior citations, this man merely opened his eyes to this info.
@AnonymousAscendent When I tell you your accusation of ad hominem is a false use of logic, you make sure that I know that "ad hominum" exists. Bravo! How easily you waste my time with nonsense. And as to your other response, it's flawed as well; you tell me that other books are "well researched," but who says so? Did you do the research? Did you dig up the artifacts supporting atheism? Have you ever been to China, the moon? But you believe in them, don't you? Why? Because you worship men.
@KnightOneDark You're misusing the term worship. I trust men who have education and work hard and present their information, and that information is double and triple and quadruple checked rigorously by competitive and rival men who also work hard and have educations. You worship falsified documents of impossible tales from bronze age polytheists that has been manipulated for political gain and then mistranslated. Which sounds more reliable?
@AnonymousAscendent I worship documents? Your baseless accusations weary me. Go back to infallible research provided by infallible men; who am I to condemn the texts that comfort you?
@KnightOneDark "If christians can't believe in books..." Nobody said you can't believe in books. You can't believe in one specific book religiously and hold to it as truth when it's documented to be filled with inaccuracies, horrific crimes against humanity, myths and obviously man-made. Feel free to believe within reason peer-reviewed and well researched books that don't command you to worship deities for which you have no proof. Other books > Bible in accuracy and reliability.
I don't think you need to throw away the whole bible. Perhaps just the doctrine of inerrancy. Infallibility is the more classical doctrine regarding the proper use of Scripture (i.e., not as a scientific textbook or even a book on ethics, but as a prayer book). All we are supposed to get out of the bible is deeper prayer life focused on centering ourselves under God's mysterious will. Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican churches primarily bible liturgically not as literature.
...but now you are bringing up the argument you brought up earlier with morality being God (from Morality 2.2) at the beginning.
Actually I knew something about the multiple authors before reading the Bible... but these were myths passed down put to writing afterwards. The Bible shouldn't be discredited entirely...a lot of things about it don't make sense if there was an agenda behind it. In one instance the Jews were after a king, but he survived because he killed his own son to a demon.
@clizzaster I believe it may be tougher, in a different way, for educated, intelligent people. It makes me think that the more intelligent the person, the better they may be at rationalizing their own beliefs further.
I don't know about you, but from literal modern Hebrew, תנינים גדולים (taninim gedolim) means "big crocodiles". It's probably different in ancient Hebrew, though.
I lost all respect to creationist religious Orthodox Jews after my Tanach (Hebrew Bible, must classes in THEOCRATIC ISRAEL(!!!)) teached the religious meaning of the term.
Seriously? Pictures of dead children in your video... Didn't care much for that, i usually avoid images of real dead people, especially those who has suffered a violent death. But besides that, i really really enjoy your videos
continuation of last post. They were greedy. Other churches fought each other to prove they were right.The Church of England vs Rome. Still happens to this day. Isaiah 24:5, Isiah 29:13-14 and Timothy 4:3-4 talks about the Apotosy. There are many more verses too. But there are scriptures also says of a restoration of God's Church on Earth in the mold of the orginal early church shown in Acts. Isaiah 2:1-3. Isaiah 29:10-12 talks about the one who will help bring about that restoration.
continuation of last post. but that shouldn't stop us from living good. History has shown us that that conflicts of beliefs and interest have arose from the way the Bible has been changed, obscured, and misinterpret. God knew this. Another test. These events were foretold in the book of Revelations. An event known as the Apostasy. It is where the Authority of God would be taken away from man for being wicked in his name. The Catholic Church in the middle ages. They were corrupt.
Continuation of last post. The Catholics also took out a ton of info refering to the first wife of Adam, Lilith. Genesis says that Adam knew his wife but then Adam fell asleep and God created Eve. Lilith was wicked, the catholics objected. The idea that Mary Magdaline was the wife of Jesus isn't just some idea of Dan Brown's. Catholics took that idea out too. The History Channel did an entire series on what the Catholics took out of the Bible.
the bible was screwed up by the Catholics. In 382 A.D., the catholic bishops met in Rome in and formed "the Council of Rome". They went through the Bible to decide what would be canon. They took alot of stuff out of the Bible. The Bible we read today isn't the same Bible 2,000 years ago. The Catholics objected the way how Jesus was portrayed. There is a part about Jesus, that when he was a child, he killed another child for being wicked with his powers but then brought him back to life.
The Bible is not the only source, it's the most important source. The foundation of God. If you just want to live a good life then all you need is the Bible. but if you want to learn more and have the fullness of God or a better understanding of biblical history, then you read all the other books. The Apocypha, the extra books of the Orthodox, Catholics, Gnostics, the Pearl of Great Price, the Doctrines and Covenants, and the Book of Mormon.
I would like to thank you for these videos. I watched 3.3.3 first, and found your work so well put together that I went back. I am currently on this one, clearly. My own path toward deconversion is remarkably similar, without the awesome presence of a scholar such as the one you converse with though.
The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, image of God's word, carried in your hand, memorized in your head, made to speak (the bible says) and is used as an object of worship. Your faith will fail.
So multiple sources existed originating from different geographical areas among a divided kingdom with no centralized leadership. They were distributed until one guy had all of them. Rather than simply combine them like the Gospels are, he decides to use immense brilliance in making a smooth flowing version, us not noticing the seams for thousands of years. Then he somehow made all the original sources disappear while even the Apocrypha endured, and got all of divided Israel to use his copy.
The documentary hypothesis is a crock of dung. When you actually investigate why people conjecture multiple authors, it takes on absurd faith.
I read Friedman's "Who Wrote the Bible?", and the man isn't just bad at what he does, but an outright willful liar.
I'll get around to reading "The Bible with Sources Revealed", but it will probably be another nauseating experience where I learn more about the Bible, not thanks to him, but just for him initiating the looking into things.
"miracles" such as: i had'nt read the bible for months, but suddenly, i felt the urge to read a paragraph or two. I read my favorite verse, psalm 23. the lord is my shepheard. And wouldnt you know, the next day at school, the teacher read it out loud, and i knew it by heart and said it with him silently. But still, there are so many flaws to christianity. I have not denounced my religion yet, but i kind of fear i will have to. btw, your videos are FANTASTIC
It is really weird. I have been questioning my faith soo much lately. And then, this come up. I have not watched vidoes related to religion, but still this showed up.... And i feel so connected with you, although i am a bit earlier in the process. I am 17, and pretty much a bit more articulated then most people (excuse my english, im norwegian), and i think at least that i have alot more arguments then most of my christian friends. I have always been a christian, and i have expirienced....
Great production. Thanks for your time & effort. The J, E, & D dates seem to reflect academic consensus, but is there still debate over P? I thought scholars believe P to be post-Babylonian captivity (~586 BCE) based partially on the emphasis on rituals that do not depend on land, kingdom, & temple, partially on P "capping" the Torah (1st ch. of Genesis, last ch. of Deut.). I myself don't know other reasons. Do you know what the association P has with the court of Hezekiah? Thanks.
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You were right about putting the bible at the center of your diagram, because if you choose to throw that out, your trust in the true god WILL soon follow.
Actually, the diagram is a fully connected graph. It is just that the lines connecting two nodes on the opposite side of the center node are overlapped by their mutual connections to the center node. In short, no, I do not mean to present the Bible as more central than the other nodes. Logically, it has the exact same number of connections in a fully connected graph. I just chose this representation because it is more symmetrical and compact than the standard K7 graph.
@Evid3nc3 i guess to a christian the fallacy of the bible could be worked around but when an atheist looks back and you see the shattered concept of the bible you kind of laugh because without the bible whats the point to believing in christianity
well here is one place where i differ..... i have never thought myself being able to kill because i thoguht god told me to. this idea has not only seemed like it would be impossible to ever happen but also i felt it contradicted what the bible taught, ... if anything i felt the bible taught the opposite of that....but that i mean when the antichrist comes, or whatever else situation occurs, be prepared to be tortured and die and never deny him.... but then peter did lol
did your deconversion come as a strange type of sadness for a while? as if you have just realized that the mother you have had for the last 33 years has now came to your attention to have never existed? .... this is what it feels like to me.it hurts. im scared. but i see no other possible reality.
I can put a holy cow in the center of the diagram and claims if you choose to throw out my holy cow then my trust in the true god HAS ALREADY followed.
You can substituted any object or person to your about statement and the "truth" still holds.
i.e. your statement adds no real informations or weight in argument.
Are you the famous Venomfang-X Shawn by any chance??
You really should read the bible first as there are 7 errors so far in this short 9:49 video. Go to Shockawenow . n e t Click where it says Entire bible on Audio and get the bible free. This video shows your ignorance man, I'd be embarrassed if I were you lol take it down as they are laughing at you.
@PinkProgram He seems to be more of a broken record to me, repeating the same old "I used to be an atheist," "where's the proof that atheism is correct and accurate," "I prove the bible is the word on [my show]" Did I miss any important ones? The repetition makes my head ache! :)
@JesusEclipse No kidding. "All major atheists also admit Jesus was a historical person even the atheist experience show has done so." Well, I can't say I've watched every minute of that show, but everytime I have seen that discussed on the show, they will admit that the Jesus character could very well be based on a real person, but they don't say they are 100% certain about it, like shockofgod seems to imply. (And they most certainly don't accept the miracles based on the available evidence.)
I read Revelations at the age of 13 or 14, because I was interested in being a Christian. I got turned off almost immediately.
Revelations was a huge orgy of death, destruction and suffering for the nonbelievers. The Christians always said "God loves everyone", so why would a loving god do this sort of shit to the people he created? Even against nonbelievers, it was really, really harsh.
It seemed that God wanted the nonbelievers to suffer and hurt and bleed. Just for not believing.
wetyewruyrtsutrdhjfg 1 day ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
Don't bring down God knowledge down to to human knowledge!
keyto808 3 weeks ago
@keyto808
Of course, the old "ITS TOO COMPLEX TO UNDERSTAND" route. Did you even watch these videos?
Kloborgg 3 weeks ago
That was awesome!
WNYmathGuy 1 month ago
You've got some pretty gruesome images there of murdered people. Could you put some sort of disclaimer on it, via an annotation at the beginning? Thanks.
AreaCode000 1 month ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
God is real. And I agree with everybody here about the spiders. Creepy.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
What is your basis for believing this?
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : Faith. I have seen God's power at work with my own eyes.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Hallucinations are commonly associated with deep emotional moments in our lives, and often people associate these moments with a "God" or some type of spirit interacting with them. There is millions of accounts of people "seeing" various different things, from deity's, to multidimensional beings.
What are the chances that what you have seen is truly a "deity" at work? Especially considering others have seen conflicting deity's which cant co-exist.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : It wasn't a hallucination. It was a miracle healing of someone that I love very much.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
We know well of many different people from different religions claiming of miracle healing's from "their God". There is also medical practices that have very low chances of survival among their patients, is this a "miracle of God" every time this medical procedure goes well? Don't factors like mental conviction, environmental stimulation, and other non "deity" based things need to be considered as possibly reasons for this "miracle"?
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : Mental conviction and environmental stimulation check out fine. Those aside, the doctor said the chemo wouldn't make the stage 4 tumors go away, it would only shrink them. Nine months later, said tumors, gone.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
By mental conviction I mean people's conviction that they will get better, which has been shown in placebo tests to improve their chances, or at least improve their last days. Environmental can constitute factors such as radiation, electromagnetic changes in the earth due to the sun's position, or flares on its surface. I am not trying to diminish the beauty of your mother recovering from such a cancer, I just am skeptic about it being a "deity".
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : It wasn't my mom, it was my aunt. But that's beside the point. I knew what you meant by mental conviction. My Aunt is usually a naturally chipper person, though she did have her rough times through the last nine months. And I don't see what the sun's position or anything like that have to do with anything. I suppose you kind of had to be there.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
The suns position has a-lot to do with everything on earth, it is the difference between life, and death. There is several different spectrum's of light the sun gives off, some that can cause, and most likely cure different "diseases". There is also natural vitamins such as Vitamin B-17, which occurs in apricot seeds (Nitrilosides), that seem to be a anti-cancer medicine as well. Diets have a large factor on recovering from all illnesses.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : You bring up an interesting point. You said the position of the sun is the difference between life and death. I agree with you. If the sun is too close to the Earth, we burn to death. Too far away, we freeze to death. Now, given that, don't you find it interesting that the sun "just happened" to wind up where it did? Doesn't that give you even the slightest clue that Intelligence was behind the sun's development?
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Yes, the chance was very very small that such a thing would happen, but in a universe made up of billions of stars you are bound to have patterns, and random occurrences that to us might look designed. We know that even random number generators seem to generate patterns sometimes, which is quite amazing indeed. Random is quite based on perspective as well, to one person's view it might be random, to another it might be designed.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence
Cont.. not to mention we now know that the balance is no where near perfect like many claim, at least not in the sense many are claiming. There was meteor showers on earth for 30+ million years, and this rock was nothing but oceans for millions more. We can attribute our life a bit to chance for sure, but there is significant important evolutionary factors that went into our creation as well. It took us millions of years to get where we are today.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : Where did all those stars in our universe come from? They didn't just pop into existence.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
The Big Bang is the currently accepted theory for life as we know it, however people are uncertain what created the universe, and there is many different theory's. That is the beauty of science, you admit that we do not know for sure, and need to research it better in order to know for sure. Science doesn't reject that a deity doesn't exist since we have no evidence to prove this, but it is very unlikely/illogical, so it is not pursued.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence
correction:
"doesn't reject that a deity might exist"
Its just unlikely.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : What caused the Big Bang? And why is a deity so unlikely/illogical? Nobody has ever been able to explain this to me.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Its hard to explain within the given character limit.
/wiki/Big_Bang
Basically it was caused by the universe expanding rapidly, kind of like heating up a popcorn kernel till it explodes into popcorn. Bad explanation, but it gives a basic gist of what its about. Well several factors make a deity so unlikely/illogical, first we have no evidence of such a thing existing, secondly there is several conflicting religions which reject each-others deity's.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence
Thirdly there is the paradox of "Could God create a rock so big he couldn't lift it?", since if he couldn't lift it he is not all powerful, and if he couldn't create it then he isn't all powerful either. Fourthly there is many many other paradox, or conundrums like this, such as SIN, why give humans free though, then judge them for using it? The idea that God will send people to hell for not believing in him, but forgive rapists just for confessing.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : According to Romans 1, there is plenty of evidence all around you just by using your eyes. Humans have free will, and the right to choose sin, because God wants them to choose love and Him. He could have created a bunch of robots, but that's not what He wanted. Basically what you are saying here is that you deserve forgiveness for not believing, but somebody else who commits a sin doesn't deserve forgiveness. That is playing favorites, and God doesn't do that.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
According to a book, written by man. How do you know this is not the devil deceiving us all in this book? How do you know this is truly the book of God? So he is basically playing a game with us, giving us the ability to do wrong, but not telling us the difference between wrong, and right? It clearly states in the bible that some one who does not believe in God will go to hell, but a sinner can repent. How is that just? Sounds evil to me.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : It's perfectly just. A nonbeliever is just like any other sinner and can repent just like any other sinner. You are not different from the rest of us.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
They can repent for not believing, but will never be accepted into heaven unless they believe in God. That is a fully selfish, and evil way for a being that has the ability to teach us the right path before being judged, but chooses to damn us instead.Like stated before how do you know you are following the book of God, how do you now you aren't being deceived as we speak by a false religion which has bad intentions? Do you put faith in a man made book?
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : That's kind of what repentance means. A person can't repent to a being they don't believe exists. The faith comes first, then the repentance.
God has taught you the right path. It's right there in the Bible. The right path is Jesus Christ. He hasn't left you to figure it out for yourself.
I put my faith in God. I know that I am not being deceived because God has proven Himself in my life time and time again.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
The bible seems to tell me it is okay to keep slaves, is this the path of God?
Here is something that confuses me as well.
"" Proverbs 6:16-17 tells us that God hates "hands that shed innocent blood." And yet he sent his Son to suffer precisely that fate.
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How does this make sense, and if God sacrificed his son so that we may not be punished for our mistakes, why are people still sent to hell for their mistakes?
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : The Israelites were delivered into slavery as punishment. And God eventually led them out of slavery. He didn't keep them there.
People are sent to Hell only if they don't believe in God or if they have committed the unforgivable sin of denying the Holy Spirit.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : Well, slavery was once a reality of life. I don't really know what to say about it.
Rapists and murderers may go to Heaven ONLY if they repent first and turn themselves over to God.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
It was a reality that was shown as positive in the bible.... What a God who created "lesser humans" to be slaves for the White man.... Ya I think I am starting to see why people are so scared of religious people, justifying slavery based on it "being a reality", or some man made book is insanity.
This just further embodies my point, what fucking insanity, repent, and that some how makes your crimes alright. Not to mention "honor killings"....
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : The Bible doesn't justify it as positive. Only as a reality.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
It clearly states in Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT that it is perfectly okay to keep slaves. There is no oh its just a reality, its telling you that its OKAY to keep slaves. This part of the bible was used to justify slavery for centuries, and is clearly a perfect example of the misguided nature of the authors. The very fact that you think its okay to keep slaves because a book created by men says so is pure insanity.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
@NeutralExistence : Well, I don't really know what to tell you about that.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Adding on to what NeutralExistence said, it also says in Leviticus that you are not only allowed to keep slaves, but you are also allowed beat your slaves and that God will not punish you if your slave does not die from the beating.
The Bible also says that if your child is disobedient, you must take them to the edge of town, where you and the other villagers must stone YOUR CHILD to death. Oh, and you have to throw the first stone.
foojuice101 1 month ago
@foojuice101 : Leviticus is Old Testament.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Do you follow the Ten Commandments? Since those are Old Testament, you should throw them out as well.
It also said in the Bible that God is unchanging, so his will is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Therefore, he still condones those things. It never said in the New Testaments that stoning your child etc. was bad. Jesus never corrected those things.
Since the whole Bible is ancient, you should chuck it out.
foojuice101 1 month ago
@foojuice101 : The Ten Commandments are God's law. God's law will remain forever. Stoning was man's law. That's why Jesus saved the woman accused of adultery from being stoned to death.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
And that's why the Bible is inconsistent. It's filled with inconsistencies. The Bible says that God said that you are not allowed to approach a woman on her period, then Jesus goes off and does that. The Bible contradicts itself.
Also, stoning was man's law BECAUSE God said to do it.
God also ordered mass genocide and rape, for anyone who is of different race/belief. Are you going to tell me that man made that up? Are you going to do that? You should, since it's God's law.
foojuice101 1 month ago
@foojuice101 : That's the least of my worries. Where the heck does the Bible say that Jesus approached a woman on her month?!
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Hey, he approached thousands of people at a time. You're telling me that NONE of them were having their time of the month?
foojuice101 1 month ago
@foojuice101 : Oh brother. Again, a man-made rule. If Jesus had followed that, He never would have been able to go anywhere.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
It was a GOD MADE RULE. He considered women on their period to be "unclean" so he told everyone not to go near them.
You still didn't answer my question about the God-ordered, mass genocide of anyone who doesn't believe in him. Would you do it? It's one of God's laws.
foojuice101 1 month ago
@foojuice101 : He likely meant not to have sex with a woman on her month.
Yes, there was a mass flood wiping out most of humanity. The Bible is very clear that the wicked will be destroyed. Seeing as how I do not have the power to flood the entire Earth, no, I would not do it. God already did it.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
No, he meant to not APPROACH a woman on her month.
Also, I was not referring to the flood. I was referring to all the holy wars in the Bible, where GOD ordered men to slaughter people only because they didn't believe in him, or they worshipped some other god.
Would you carry that order out, since God told all his followers to do that? Or do you think that genocide is wrong?
foojuice101 1 month ago
@foojuice101 : A human being using their own free will to take the life of another human being is wrong. If God decided to take someone's life, it was right and just.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
If you think that way, then fuck you. I'm done.
Read the Bible PROPERLY and FULLY, and you might see that your God is not a fair god. You'd see that he tricks people and then punishes them for doing something that they were tricked into doing (eg. Pharaoh marrying Sarah, who pretended to be someone else -> God punishing Pharaoh because Sarah was Abraham's wife, and Pharaoh didn't know because she tricked him -> S&A go unpunished for lying aka. sinning).
Goodbye.
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foojuice101 1 month ago
@foojuice101 : God bless.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
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foojuice101 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988 then you and your god is evil
loudman12 1 month ago
@loudman12 : I don't care if you think I am evil. And thank you for fulfilling a Biblical prophecy. God bless.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 a self fulfilling prophecy, it does not take a genius to see you will be ridiculed for the actions that went on in the bile, well done you have just proven with one comment how stupid you Christians are, goodbye and goodnight :)
loudman12 4 weeks ago
@loudman12 : As was said earlier, I don't value your opinion of me. If you think I am stupid or evil or whatever else, then that's fine by me.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 anyone who defends rape of woman, killing of innocents, killing of babies etc... is evil that is a general consensus that is evil, any person that defends evil is evil. you have fun with your baby killing god, and we live in the real world, happy dreams :)
loudman12 4 weeks ago
@loudman12 : I don't defend rape, and nobody is "innocent", not even babies.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 the bible condones rape, and by defending it you do as well, babies are not evil or need to be saved, evil religion, evil morality, evil followers
loudman12 4 weeks ago
@loudman12 : Everyone needs to be saved. It's true that babies have not had time to commit any sins of their own. But when they are born they are born with the curse just like the rest of us.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 ah yes the original sin guilt trip, look unlike other people actually think (I know that is a word you Christians are scared of) no one has a curse, no one is born in sin. The only people that believe this are people who believe in a 2000 year old bronze age myth. Any god that judges us based on what he created us as, is sick. Your morality in the bible is sick, ( fundamentalist Christian i was for 20 years) the day i became free was when i used my brain
loudman12 4 weeks ago
@loudman12 : Unless you are ready to claim perfection, then yes, you are a sinner and you need to be saved.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Again you assert this as again you can not prove god exsist's so you going on a myth the same way a hindu does or a muslim or a jew, in their words, your going to hell,
loudman12 4 weeks ago
@loudman12 : It's not my job to prove to you. That's a work of the Holy Spirit.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
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@SummerSunshine1988 then you and your god is evil
loudman12 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Do you believe the death penalty is wrong then? Also, What if god is commanding humans or other creatures to do the killing. Is it wrong then? How do we punish, let alone prove the validity of such a claim?
Wiredkid1 1 month ago
@Wiredkid1 : Everyone who knows me knows that I am 150% anti-death penalty. If a death is at the specific command of God, then that is His right to take a life or spare a life. A mere human being, however, has no right to do such a thing of their own will.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 "What if god is commanding humans or other creatures to do the killing?" So if god is commanding a person to kill another person, you take no quarrel with this?
Wiredkid1 4 weeks ago
@Wiredkid1 : I have no issue with God implementing His right to take a life or spare a life.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 So how do you know he's not implementing that right all the time through his glorious work of the prisons, abortion clinics, military, and serial killers?
Wiredkid1 4 weeks ago
@Wiredkid1 : Those are man's creations. And I despise abortion just as strongly as I do the death penalty.
SummerSunshine1988 4 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 so what if they are? Man invented the sword, and there's plenty of tell in the bible of how god put that to work. I'll repeat the question..How do you KNOW god isn't implementing his right to kill people through modern means such as the death penalty, abortions, the military and murderers? How are these any different then god commanding the killing children in the bible at any other point? Is god not allowed to modernize?
Wiredkid1 3 weeks ago
@Wiredkid1 : By "modernize", you mean "change", and God does not change.
SummerSunshine1988 3 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 So if they were using swords as a form execution it would be god's will, still? Or if babies were slammed against walls until they were dead, this would be an ok form of abortion?
Wiredkid1 3 weeks ago
@Wiredkid1 : No and no. God works on a system of grace.
SummerSunshine1988 3 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988
That response is so not right...It's not even wrong. "What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
Wiredkid1 3 weeks ago
@Wiredkid1 : Pardon? That statement isn't mine. You must have me confused with somebody else.
SummerSunshine1988 3 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 It's a quote from a movie used as a commentary on your previous statement. Please, elaborate god's system of grace, since you know his will so well.
Wiredkid1 3 weeks ago
@Wiredkid1 : Oh, sorry for the confusion. I must have never seen that movie. Anyway, God's grace system is basically that Jesus died for your sins, and you can be forgiven through the blood of Christ.
SummerSunshine1988 3 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 You're completely ignoring the subject at hand. You might as well be throwing your hands over your ears and screaming "nanana JESUS!!!!" I hope you are either young, or are pretending to be retarded for the internets sake. Good day, sir.
Wiredkid1 3 weeks ago
@Wiredkid1 : What do you mean? You asked me to explain God's system of grace, and I did.
SummerSunshine1988 3 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 I don't believe that is God's system of grace! The only way to paradise is to follow the Quran! (example of how you sound to me)
randomguy7890 1 week ago
@randomguy7890 : I said to follow Jesus Christ, not a book.
SummerSunshine1988 1 week ago
@SummerSunshine1988 ok, that is better than a book, but I'd rather get inspiration from people who are alive today or were recently alive than from someone that I'm not even sure existed, but he probably did, and he must have been a great guy.
randomguy7890 1 week ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, but there is no reason to believe there is a heaven...........and it was you parents putting presents under the tree all those years. Again, sorry; no one wants to be the last kid in class to find that out.
ghm011301 1 month ago
@ghm011301 : There is every reason to believe there is a Heaven. God has promised it.
SummerSunshine1988 1 month ago
@SummerSunshine1988
So you may rape/murder, and you will not go to hell? Only if you deny the holy spirit? Per-say one rapes, and murders in the name of God, and the Holy Spirit (Crusades). Does this make it alright? As I have demonstrated in the last comment, it says you may keep slaves of all the people, except the people of Israel. It also goes more into depth about this is Exodus, which is the law of Christianity if I am not mistaken.
NeutralExistence 1 month ago
Great. I lose the fear of hell, but gain a fear of spiders.
TheBiAtheist 2 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian 5
Wonderful! Dude, bibliography, please!
ipeklofijs 2 months ago
This story is very similar to my own experience, but I have one major gripe with it. Why would you keep a collage of spiders on the screen for that long? Could you not have used insects as an example, rather than arachnids? Truly, it was horrifying...
blkhatRaven 2 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
I concur with all that you have stated thus far. I am but 22 years of age and have already endured a very similar chain of events. Those of which led me to not only discover how untrue all religion is, but also the deprogramming of my entire mind from this Matrix of dishonesty : Politics, current events, Science I could go on... Thankyou for showing me I am not the only one out here. I have been criticized by not only my loved ones but friends as well . However I remain steadfast.
warpeacock 2 months ago
@warpeacock It's not easy.
TheBiAtheist 2 months ago in playlist Why I am no longer a Christian
WHY THE FUCK DID YOU HAVE TO USE SPIDERS!!!!!!!!
MClollolol 3 months ago 7
I noticed that in a history of god part 1 you said that P was from around 600 BCE but in this one he is from around 700 BCE. Could I get a comment on that?
arttay1090 3 months ago
if I understand, you read a book that said that there were many different authors for the bible. and you believed that book? why? did you verify that they got it right? did you actually find out who P was? and the other 3 authors? did you prove that the author got it right? just wondering.
909pleasantville 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Evid3nc3
Can I hear a *blub* from you spiders that can breathe under water?
faro0485 4 months ago
Can we get the really good diagram which shows the connections of the different authors in to what eventually became the torah (at 8:15)
Plausiblesarge 4 months ago
Thanks so much for producing this amazing series. It is so great to see such a detailed account of your thought process.
Timsalcove 5 months ago
The 150-day biblical flood myth, during which time three birds are sent out and land arises, is based on the annual 150-day Nile flood, and the myth that land mound arises out of the flood (called the Nun) out of which a bird bursts forth carrying the sun (Ra) on its head. This genesis model of Ra born of Nun became re-written as the monotheistic version of Ab-Ra-ham descendent from Noah by ten generations. In the Vedas, it was re-written as the story of MaNu landing on a mound after the flood.
HumanChemistry101 6 months ago
The story of Elisha and the bears stuck out to me when I deconverted, too. Also, to my shame, despite being a Christian for many years, I wasn't even aware of that story in the bible! Before hearing that, I entertained the idea that the bible was not the inerrant word of god, upon reading it, I was absolutely certain it wasn't.
inphanta 7 months ago
Thank god for being agnostic. It seems like both sides have forgotten an important rule behind your beliefs. "Thou shall cherish thy own beliefs, and not be a dick about them"
Sethietoes12 7 months ago
@Sethietoes12 You can be an agnostic theist or agnostic atheist. Agnosticism and Gnosticism aren't what you think.
JacktheSmack 7 months ago 12
@Sethietoes12
What if you believe that you should be a dick about your beliefs?
Cubelarooso 6 months ago
ShockOfgod is a troll
Singlerity 7 months ago
I thank this person for the insight into the mind of the believer. As an Atheist from birth, it has always been impossible for me to get my head around how people believe in this fairy tale. It's not 1000's but millions we are talking about here. I knew allot of what he was saying with regards to the timelines as there's been a few docs on that although I can't fathom why the powers (whoever that is) would wish to continue this fairy tale?
I hate to say it but....Zionism?
TheARMAProductions 7 months ago
What this guys talking about with regards to discrepancies in the timeline of the Torah is well known to the Churches. They know this is all human manipulated bs which is why only a handful of people are allowed to see the secret documents at the Vatican. They guard that place like a military base as they don't want any of this getting out. It's comical when you think about it. Millions upon millions of people being manipulated deliberately in such a blatant way.
TheARMAProductions 7 months ago
LOL....I see you use the haunting background music and god-like reverb...that is a psychological tactic you're using to influence the mind. This presentation is not as good as the previous...and by not as good meaning though the previous video is easily refuted, this one much more easily.
KJVWordofGod 8 months ago
@KJVWordofGod i didn't get that either. I find it funny, as if the music is going to ad truth, by having the high choir behind him.
bluefootedpig 5 months ago
@KJVWordofGod > implying that religious people don't do the same.
MGMT1580 4 months ago
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@KnightOneDark I never said these documents were infallible, you are misrepresenting my argument. I said they are reliable. Reliability does not gurantee 100% accuracy, but a very very high rate of truth. Okay, don't worship the bible, just believe in it with no evidence. Stop misrepresnting and exaggerating my points to make them seem incorrect, that is called a Strawman fallacy. Feeling particularly fallacious today?
AnonymousAscendent 8 months ago
As of this point, I hear you saying, "My professor said a book proved my god false, and I believed him." Hopefully I've missed something important here; otherwise, you exchanged one god for another. There's nothing unusual about that, but I hope I'm wrong about you. I will continue watching the series.
KnightOneDark 8 months ago
@KnightOneDark If you had watched the whole series it's THE professor, not his professor. He was never a student of this man or had a class with him. He was a man he started to argue with online, and soon started losing to.
Also, you're using a logical fallacy, an ad hominum attack against professors. If what the man was saying was truth and logical and evidence backed, then it wouldn't matter if it was a hobo or the president talking to him.
AnonymousAscendent 8 months ago
@AnonymousAscendent Really? You're going to pull out so-called logic by saying I attacked all professors? I don't care if the professor (yes, the Amazon guy) is a dog, a cat, a demon, or a pile of crap. If the creator of this series took the pile of crap's word for truth without investigating the "truth" himself, he exchanged one god for another. If Christians can't believe in books just because someone said they should, neither can atheists; fair is fair.
KnightOneDark 8 months ago
@KnightOneDark It's not so-called logic, it's logic. Look up a list of logical fallacies and look up ad hominum. Also, it's not exchanging Gods because he does not worship this person, think him the creator of the universe, or think him all knowing and all powerful. Having admiration and respect for someone does not make you think they are a god, and neither does losing to an argument. If you watch the video he has hundreds of exterior citations, this man merely opened his eyes to this info.
AnonymousAscendent 8 months ago
@AnonymousAscendent When I tell you your accusation of ad hominem is a false use of logic, you make sure that I know that "ad hominum" exists. Bravo! How easily you waste my time with nonsense. And as to your other response, it's flawed as well; you tell me that other books are "well researched," but who says so? Did you do the research? Did you dig up the artifacts supporting atheism? Have you ever been to China, the moon? But you believe in them, don't you? Why? Because you worship men.
KnightOneDark 8 months ago
@KnightOneDark You're misusing the term worship. I trust men who have education and work hard and present their information, and that information is double and triple and quadruple checked rigorously by competitive and rival men who also work hard and have educations. You worship falsified documents of impossible tales from bronze age polytheists that has been manipulated for political gain and then mistranslated. Which sounds more reliable?
AnonymousAscendent 8 months ago
@AnonymousAscendent I worship documents? Your baseless accusations weary me. Go back to infallible research provided by infallible men; who am I to condemn the texts that comfort you?
KnightOneDark 8 months ago
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AnonymousAscendent 8 months ago
@KnightOneDark "If christians can't believe in books..." Nobody said you can't believe in books. You can't believe in one specific book religiously and hold to it as truth when it's documented to be filled with inaccuracies, horrific crimes against humanity, myths and obviously man-made. Feel free to believe within reason peer-reviewed and well researched books that don't command you to worship deities for which you have no proof. Other books > Bible in accuracy and reliability.
AnonymousAscendent 8 months ago
Outstanding series.
nick16watt 8 months ago
I am curious who this professor is...can you disclose that? Thanks interesting video.
Nytmare8u 8 months ago
Your videos are wonderful, I can stop watching. Thank you for them.
alive4ever1 9 months ago
I don't think you need to throw away the whole bible. Perhaps just the doctrine of inerrancy. Infallibility is the more classical doctrine regarding the proper use of Scripture (i.e., not as a scientific textbook or even a book on ethics, but as a prayer book). All we are supposed to get out of the bible is deeper prayer life focused on centering ourselves under God's mysterious will. Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican churches primarily bible liturgically not as literature.
brooss 10 months ago
1:50 .. are those real kids who were "sacrificed" to god!!?
Aprilshowersss 10 months ago
...but now you are bringing up the argument you brought up earlier with morality being God (from Morality 2.2) at the beginning.
Actually I knew something about the multiple authors before reading the Bible... but these were myths passed down put to writing afterwards. The Bible shouldn't be discredited entirely...a lot of things about it don't make sense if there was an agenda behind it. In one instance the Jews were after a king, but he survived because he killed his own son to a demon.
chrisdryer 10 months ago
I'm struggling for answers. Thank you!
jaredh999 11 months ago
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8Gerrardinho 11 months ago
ano0ther good vid .. this shit should be a movie
midgety1 11 months ago
If it took an educated, intelligent man like yourself so much time and effort to deconvert, it doesn't give me much hope for most people.
clizzaster 11 months ago 21
@clizzaster I believe it may be tougher, in a different way, for educated, intelligent people. It makes me think that the more intelligent the person, the better they may be at rationalizing their own beliefs further.
palerider1775 2 months ago
I don't know about you, but from literal modern Hebrew, תנינים גדולים (taninim gedolim) means "big crocodiles". It's probably different in ancient Hebrew, though.
I lost all respect to creationist religious Orthodox Jews after my Tanach (Hebrew Bible, must classes in THEOCRATIC ISRAEL(!!!)) teached the religious meaning of the term.
aSimpleHanyou 1 year ago
Does anyone want to ballpark the percentage of scholars accepting mosaic authorship vs. documentary hypothesis?
mbouw21 1 year ago
If you knock out the center node your network is kind of screwed...
theclinger 1 year ago
Seriously? Pictures of dead children in your video... Didn't care much for that, i usually avoid images of real dead people, especially those who has suffered a violent death. But besides that, i really really enjoy your videos
BjornSeverinLarsen 1 year ago
@BjornSeverinLarsen
I'm pretty sure it's to show that these are the kind of things that the bible supports.
Louchan2 9 months ago
continuation of last post. They were greedy. Other churches fought each other to prove they were right.The Church of England vs Rome. Still happens to this day. Isaiah 24:5, Isiah 29:13-14 and Timothy 4:3-4 talks about the Apotosy. There are many more verses too. But there are scriptures also says of a restoration of God's Church on Earth in the mold of the orginal early church shown in Acts. Isaiah 2:1-3. Isaiah 29:10-12 talks about the one who will help bring about that restoration.
doublewhat 1 year ago
continuation of last post. but that shouldn't stop us from living good. History has shown us that that conflicts of beliefs and interest have arose from the way the Bible has been changed, obscured, and misinterpret. God knew this. Another test. These events were foretold in the book of Revelations. An event known as the Apostasy. It is where the Authority of God would be taken away from man for being wicked in his name. The Catholic Church in the middle ages. They were corrupt.
doublewhat 1 year ago
Continuation of last post. The Catholics also took out a ton of info refering to the first wife of Adam, Lilith. Genesis says that Adam knew his wife but then Adam fell asleep and God created Eve. Lilith was wicked, the catholics objected. The idea that Mary Magdaline was the wife of Jesus isn't just some idea of Dan Brown's. Catholics took that idea out too. The History Channel did an entire series on what the Catholics took out of the Bible.
doublewhat 1 year ago
the bible was screwed up by the Catholics. In 382 A.D., the catholic bishops met in Rome in and formed "the Council of Rome". They went through the Bible to decide what would be canon. They took alot of stuff out of the Bible. The Bible we read today isn't the same Bible 2,000 years ago. The Catholics objected the way how Jesus was portrayed. There is a part about Jesus, that when he was a child, he killed another child for being wicked with his powers but then brought him back to life.
doublewhat 1 year ago
The Bible is not the only source, it's the most important source. The foundation of God. If you just want to live a good life then all you need is the Bible. but if you want to learn more and have the fullness of God or a better understanding of biblical history, then you read all the other books. The Apocypha, the extra books of the Orthodox, Catholics, Gnostics, the Pearl of Great Price, the Doctrines and Covenants, and the Book of Mormon.
doublewhat 1 year ago
I would like to thank you for these videos. I watched 3.3.3 first, and found your work so well put together that I went back. I am currently on this one, clearly. My own path toward deconversion is remarkably similar, without the awesome presence of a scholar such as the one you converse with though.
claybfx 1 year ago
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The BIBLE is the MARK of the BEAST! Constantine (1st beast) legalized Christianity and had 50 bibles compiled. King James, homo (2nd beast) 666 # of a man, born 1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized 66 book bible, image of God's word, carried in your hand, memorized in your head, made to speak (the bible says) and is used as an object of worship. Your faith will fail.
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 1 year ago
So multiple sources existed originating from different geographical areas among a divided kingdom with no centralized leadership. They were distributed until one guy had all of them. Rather than simply combine them like the Gospels are, he decides to use immense brilliance in making a smooth flowing version, us not noticing the seams for thousands of years. Then he somehow made all the original sources disappear while even the Apocrypha endured, and got all of divided Israel to use his copy.
highwind8124 1 year ago
The documentary hypothesis is a crock of dung. When you actually investigate why people conjecture multiple authors, it takes on absurd faith.
I read Friedman's "Who Wrote the Bible?", and the man isn't just bad at what he does, but an outright willful liar.
I'll get around to reading "The Bible with Sources Revealed", but it will probably be another nauseating experience where I learn more about the Bible, not thanks to him, but just for him initiating the looking into things.
highwind8124 1 year ago
"miracles" such as: i had'nt read the bible for months, but suddenly, i felt the urge to read a paragraph or two. I read my favorite verse, psalm 23. the lord is my shepheard. And wouldnt you know, the next day at school, the teacher read it out loud, and i knew it by heart and said it with him silently. But still, there are so many flaws to christianity. I have not denounced my religion yet, but i kind of fear i will have to. btw, your videos are FANTASTIC
noesupert 1 year ago
It is really weird. I have been questioning my faith soo much lately. And then, this come up. I have not watched vidoes related to religion, but still this showed up.... And i feel so connected with you, although i am a bit earlier in the process. I am 17, and pretty much a bit more articulated then most people (excuse my english, im norwegian), and i think at least that i have alot more arguments then most of my christian friends. I have always been a christian, and i have expirienced....
noesupert 1 year ago
Anyone interested about the authors of the OT, should read Howard Bloom :
"The Book Of J."
ari1234a 1 year ago
Great production. Thanks for your time & effort. The J, E, & D dates seem to reflect academic consensus, but is there still debate over P? I thought scholars believe P to be post-Babylonian captivity (~586 BCE) based partially on the emphasis on rituals that do not depend on land, kingdom, & temple, partially on P "capping" the Torah (1st ch. of Genesis, last ch. of Deut.). I myself don't know other reasons. Do you know what the association P has with the court of Hezekiah? Thanks.
myerssa7 1 year ago
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You were right about putting the bible at the center of your diagram, because if you choose to throw that out, your trust in the true god WILL soon follow.
preachinshawn 1 year ago
@preachinshawn
Actually, the diagram is a fully connected graph. It is just that the lines connecting two nodes on the opposite side of the center node are overlapped by their mutual connections to the center node. In short, no, I do not mean to present the Bible as more central than the other nodes. Logically, it has the exact same number of connections in a fully connected graph. I just chose this representation because it is more symmetrical and compact than the standard K7 graph.
Evid3nc3 1 year ago 43
@Evid3nc3 i guess to a christian the fallacy of the bible could be worked around but when an atheist looks back and you see the shattered concept of the bible you kind of laugh because without the bible whats the point to believing in christianity
blazontroll 8 months ago
@preachinshawn you obviously aren't even listening to these videos. think before you comment please.
wlchambers 8 months ago
well here is one place where i differ..... i have never thought myself being able to kill because i thoguht god told me to. this idea has not only seemed like it would be impossible to ever happen but also i felt it contradicted what the bible taught, ... if anything i felt the bible taught the opposite of that....but that i mean when the antichrist comes, or whatever else situation occurs, be prepared to be tortured and die and never deny him.... but then peter did lol
wlchambers 8 months ago
did your deconversion come as a strange type of sadness for a while? as if you have just realized that the mother you have had for the last 33 years has now came to your attention to have never existed? .... this is what it feels like to me.it hurts. im scared. but i see no other possible reality.
wlchambers 8 months ago
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preachinshawn 8 months ago
@preachinshawn That is understandable.
wlchambers 8 months ago
@preachinshawn
I can put a holy cow in the center of the diagram and claims if you choose to throw out my holy cow then my trust in the true god HAS ALREADY followed.
You can substituted any object or person to your about statement and the "truth" still holds.
i.e. your statement adds no real informations or weight in argument.
Are you the famous Venomfang-X Shawn by any chance??
yiuvince 8 months ago
@preachinshawn I have to disagree with you. What you seem to suggest is that the concept of "god" is somehow unique to judeo-christian doctrine.
Durethia 7 months ago
the pictures of the dead kids are a bit much. Still, amazing video.
ismaithliombainne 1 year ago
Shockofgod is spam trolling. He is simply trying to gain attention as do most insecure attention whores. His comments should be marked as such.
rastarigate 1 year ago
Is the professor actually the Hitch...lol
lmhjs1000 1 year ago
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You really should read the bible first as there are 7 errors so far in this short 9:49 video. Go to Shockawenow . n e t Click where it says Entire bible on Audio and get the bible free. This video shows your ignorance man, I'd be embarrassed if I were you lol take it down as they are laughing at you.
shockofgod 1 year ago
@shockofgod advertising your site like this violates Youtube's terms of service and borders on trolling.
The bible itself is full of errors. Try listening to what this video is saying.
PinkProgram 1 year ago
@PinkProgram He seems to be more of a broken record to me, repeating the same old "I used to be an atheist," "where's the proof that atheism is correct and accurate," "I prove the bible is the word on [my show]" Did I miss any important ones? The repetition makes my head ache! :)
lgbuzals 1 year ago
@lgbuzals he won't even come to my page because I have answered his question and he doesn't want to acknowledge it ^_^
PinkProgram 1 year ago
lol @shockofgod pretending he knows what he talks about :D
JesusEclipse 1 year ago
@JesusEclipse No kidding. "All major atheists also admit Jesus was a historical person even the atheist experience show has done so." Well, I can't say I've watched every minute of that show, but everytime I have seen that discussed on the show, they will admit that the Jesus character could very well be based on a real person, but they don't say they are 100% certain about it, like shockofgod seems to imply. (And they most certainly don't accept the miracles based on the available evidence.)
lgbuzals 1 year ago