Spin Training, November 2007

[rockstarJDP]

i'm curious, how come you always spin to the left?

[aerobaticfreak]

@rockstarJDP

It is slightly easier to go to the left - the engine torque helps it to turn that way, although it does not make much difference.

[rockstarJDP]

@aerobaticfreak ah right, thought it might have been something to do with that. cheers!

[abdelhadiSWAT]

Great Video , i used to do spins with my IP in the T67M260 , we used to make 7 turns in each spin :] , Air Force Cadet Student..

[MURAZZA]

Thanks for uploading this video!!!

I'm getting my ATPL training right now and I have started the with the T-67 M200...

We have to memorize the out of spin emergency procedure but unfortunately we cannot perform spins due to accidents that happened in the past... so thanks again, now I see how it looks like...

[aerobaticfreak]

@MURAZZA

Shame you can't do it for real. It seems daft to learn the theory but not to actually try it out. Where are you based?

[MURAZZA]

@aerobaticfreak Well yes we learn the theory but safety comes first :) However we are trained to get out of stall scenarios.I'm Based in Turkey. I'm getting my training at the Türkkuşu (Türkish Bird) Flight School of the Turksih Aeronautical Asociation. We start with the T67 M200 to learn the basics of flight. I'm at the first phase of my flight training wich will last 19 hours. After that comes the instrument pahse were I'm going to switch to the C-172 Skyhawk equiped with the Garmin 1000.

[MURAZZA]

@aerobaticfreak But, yesterday we performed a Lazy Eight and a Chandelle wich was a great experience!! since we get commercial training we dont do extreme maneuvers...

[aerobaticfreak]

@MURAZZA

Great - if you get any opportunity to do aerobatics you should take it - it will make the rest of your flying much better.

If you get to the UK, come and find me - I am an instructor at Cubair at Redhill aerodrome - I'll take you up for spinning and aeros:-)

[MURAZZA]

@aerobaticfreak Thanks for the for the invitation!! :) I'll find you when I come... actually I'm thinking of getting acroatics after I get my ATPL... in the mean time if you ever come to Turkey contact me and I'll show you around my school its the biggest in Turkey, we have 3 different aerodromes in 3 different loacations, several aircraft including the largest private CL-215 fleet, we have 7 and 2 are on the way...

[TTUsucks88]

I am scared to death to do these. Will I need to do spins to get a type rating for an over-12,500 lb private aircraft?

[aerobaticfreak]

@TTUsucks88 I don't know anything about type ratings I'm afraid, but I doubt that spin training is relevant for a large aircraft.

AFAIK, the only time you need to spin is during Flight Instructor training - I am part way through my Instructor course.

Don't be scared though - they are good fun really

[shooteraod]

@TTUsucks88 no

[aceflyer89]

@TTUsucks88 Are you kidding me? I too was beyond afraid until I got into one these. I'm literally addicted to spins/spirals. Try them :)

[airbus91]

@TTUsucks88 theyre fun! lol

[doughauf]

Is this difficult??

[aerobaticfreak]

No.

[doughauf]

@aerobaticfreak How do you go about getting yourself out of a spin?

[aerobaticfreak]

@doughauf TheStandard recovery from an accidental upright spin is to confirm that the throttle is closed, hold the ailerons neutral, determine the direction of spin and then apply full opposite rudder. When the rotation stops, put the stick forward to break the stall and neutralise the rudder. Recover from the resulting dive and apply power.

It is easier when you have deliberately induced the spin because you know what is going on and in which direction.

[doughauf]

@aerobaticfreak When you mean push the stick forward aren't you already going almost straight down, so isn't pushing the stick forward going to push you farther to the vertical position. Or flip you up right. Never flown before my self other than as a passenger.

Best Regards,

Doug Hauf

[aerobaticfreak]

@doughauf  To inititiate an upright spin, the stick is pulled backwards in order to stall the wings. When the wings stall, full rudder is applied to start the spin. During the spin, the stick is held fully back and full pro spin rudder is maintained. To recover, you need to apply full antispin rudder and put the stick forward. This does result in the aircraft adopting a steeper nose nown attitude, but this is what you want because it is the fastest way to regain normal airspeed.

[HPG747]

Just curious as to why you would clog up your instrument panel with what looks like three pens/pencils mounted right smack in the middle of the dashboard. Are you having to do a lot of writing in flight?

[aerobaticfreak]

@HPG747

They are essential for weight and balance - otherwise the CoG would be too far aft;-)

[FSXKid12FSXKid]

kool, a few grams makes a difference?

[aerobaticfreak]

Sorry - I was just making a joke. The pens are there because I need to note certain things on my kneepad - taxy instructions and transponder codes given by ATC etc. The clip keeps them from flying around in the cockpit, which could be dangerous. I don't really need three though.

[FSXKid12FSXKid]

lol i know

[jakem1900]

nice name i no how u feel i love aerobatic and neg G :) is it a firefly your flying in this video ?

[aerobaticfreak]

It's a Slingsby Firefly, T67M MkII

[chestateegold]

lol, i took a vid of my spin training too, the first one sounded like this.... ahaHAHAHAhahahAHAhAhaH lololol. i was 15 and scared shitless

[jvlinks]

hey is it really that bad i mean i hate rollercoasters but i need to overcome my fear... Ive always wanted to be a pilot you know.

[chestateegold]

@jvlinks

the first part was a little nerve racking, but the recovery was the worst part because you get a few g's.

I rode my first roller coaster when i was 14 because i was too scared to do anyhting before that, so im not too far ahead of you.

and no, it wasnt quite that bad and after i did it i wanted to do another one :)

[GingBread]

Looks like you got it down to me! Thanks for posting, hoping watching you and others will prepare me (a little) mentally for the real thing.

[sixmagpies]

That's a damned good instructor.

[aerobaticfreak]

One of the best:-)

[jamesplarkin]

class video

[wantonsoup]

Cool video - I did a spin just like this on accident on my second PPL flight ever - my instructor corrected it in a second but it was a lot of G force that I wasn't anticipating! Freaked me out!

[savatage75]

this was the best psin training i ´ve ever saw... sf-260???

[HR200]

I think it's a T67 Slingsby Firefly ;)