The Objective Event Is Not Responsible For How You Feel

[icandigitbabe]

A very healthy state to be in, as perceived phenomena is changing at a dramatic pace right now, so one must be very adaptable. I relate to your intention to understand being though, that is one eternal solid foundation (: It was a good subject matter using the male female example , as this dynamic of communication is one of the most influencial in existence that can bring the most learned intellect to its knees. An excellent book on the m/f areas Julius Evola - Erosandthemysteriesoflove

[icandigitbabe]

The objective event can have an instant influence in the self through the instant subconscious interpretation of it which is related to peoples conditioned prejudice and belief systems . But as you suggest , At that instant, feelings begin to be generated, and it is the direct ability of the conscious mind to allow them or dissipate them . Unfortunately not many people today have that awareness and so are victims of their undisciplined psyches. A great subject to raise and study Rev J

[RevolutionaryJam]

@icandigitbabe thanks, not sure where I stand on the issue now, some of my opinions have changed or I don't know exactly what they are.

[VIEWTUBE00000]

I'm pretty sure the girl at the club said you're 'beautiful' ...because you are.

[RevolutionaryJam]

@VIEWTUBE00000 aw thats very kind x

[fckuvrymch]

do you know of the way, brother?

[RevolutionaryJam]

whaich way and to where?

[fckuvrymch]

the tao.

[fckuvrymch]

to peace.

[RevolutionaryJam]

oh yes the tao I have a copy

[freemarketmind]

I have been saying this for years, because of a trauma at age 5 i grew up with a reverse emotional response i would laugh when i should cry and cry when I should laugh. We can and should train our emotions to respond appropriately so that they are "Lightning calculators" of an event or series of events. The greatest problem in todays world is emotionalism (the worship of emotions), people do not understand where emotions come from and what they are.

[RevolutionaryJam]

everyone is rationally selfish whether they like it or not and most peoples beliefs are those beliefs that benefit them in their world outlook.

[RevolutionaryJam]

trauma severely affects ones default emotional responses, you get people who either freeze up in confrontations or become extremely beligerant at the drop a hat due to trauma, and they are everywhere, or rather everyone

I have been meaning to do a video on my learning regarding the effects of trauma for a long time but haven't got it together yet, The Body Bears The Burden by Robert Scaer is a senior academic work on the subject.

[calibre369]

nice

[DivineNatureAwakens]

What do you think? How are things determined how you look at people or how people look at you? Then, lets say that there is only "one who thinks that its here"; if that one is "you" then yes 'you' are still in the "dream state." Peace

[RevolutionaryJam]

we're all too traumatised to realise we're part of one organism cells in a body work together to form the body and if they work against one another they are cancerous

we are cells in the body, there is only one of us here, we are cancerous, we are learning to be wonderful healed and free again

[freemarketmind]

A little to collectivist for my taste. I would much rather think that I am responsible for my emotions and that they can be proper or improper responses depending upon how i train them. I do my thing you do your thing and if we find common goals we work together to accomplish that goal otherwise we do our own thing. The world would be a better place if everyone were rationally selfish.

[zezt]

Hey man, I'm really sorry to hear you've been goin thru a shitty. time. If you want too pm me we can talk a little about it? I'm there for you anyhow :)

[RevolutionaryJam]

fanx I'll be alright, I always am life is like a rollercoaster the highs wouldn't be so high if the lows weren't so low

[DivineNatureAwakens]

I like your accent =) I liked your talk and ideas thank you for sharing. Namaste

[RevolutionaryJam]

thankyou for taking the time to comment and with such interesting comments, I appreciated them very much!

Much love,

Antony

[DivineNatureAwakens]

Maybe there is no such thing as free will, maybe it only seems so in the mind, perhaps everything that exists in our mind is illusory?

[RevolutionaryJam]

oh yeah we have no way of knowing for sure whether we have free will or not, I think the evidence of our own experience suggests that we do to some degree though.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Hi Ant,

I got into all that positive thinking stuff a long time ago, that the way we frame an event, or how we perceive it, is more important in determining our feelings than the even itself.

For example, a person is really arsey with us & instead of thinking, 'what a horrible person I want to get away'...we think, 'this is a good opportunity for me to be practice being strong & assertive' or whatever, until our feelings become empowering.

And it's sort of true to a certain extent, except...

[CapitalistHolocaust]

..except when the adverse feeling is too strong, due to our biological chemistry or when a thought process or state of mind is habitually wired in.

It can almost be impossible to control your thoughts in positive ways when there is a chemical imbalance in your brain, perhaps due to depression or some such.

Plus, the ways our brains are wired have a lot to do with what chemicals entered our brains at certain stages of development & what made deep psychological impressions upon us at key stages.

[IndustrialLeper]

yeah the more depressed and such you are the harder it is to excercise free will!

[IndustrialLeper]

yeah the only person who can drive me up the wall dead easy is my mum! lol I should use that for practice but she's so close that it's really dificult, but if I ever master not reacting to her I'll have mastered everyone! lol

[givebirthathome]

LOL. Try reading "Compassionate Communication". *dull* but useful analysis. "How To Talk So Children will Listen, and Listen so Children will Talk" pretty much works on everyone, too.

[RevolutionaryJam]

I will order the How to talk book presently!

[givebirthathome]

Great. I won't be able to put in words here, how amazed you will be when you put it into action. Its funny how the simplest, cheapest, most widely available things can be the most revolutionary.

[RevolutionaryJam]

who is the author of how to...???

[RevolutionaryJam]

thanks for the book recommendation, reading it and enjoying it very much, I am my Mother's Mother just as much as she is mine, and it's actually teaching me to interact with her better...

[givebirthathome]

Wonderful! : )

I'd love to hear your further adventures with using it. The models we constantly see in society, mean we need to consciously support ourselves to stay in a more constructive way of listening...

[retlifwolley]

Ps: Don't expect a good advice about smoking from a smoker.

[retlifwolley]

All things happen for a reason. The question is : are we welling to try and understand the real reasons behind what happens. Many people deal with this the same way they deal with major events in their life (ie; they couldn't care less-- even if they said they do care). Real understanding --not superficial-- is essential for better actions.

[SirJohnsStatement]

All what you've said is true, except 00:00 until 1:38. Only from 00:00 until 1:38 it's wrong, the rest is right! Great!

[RevolutionaryJam]

ahahahahaha!!!

[RevolutionaryJam]

can you expand any more in your criticisms dude?

[DivineNatureAwakens]

Yes, I can expand ever expanding ... however, regardless of what is being said or shared whatever I will say about self-enquiry will indeed be false. It is just a story.

[givebirthathome]

True, but an extremist position that can have negative as well as positive effects.

I understand your point,4example, it never makes me feel bad on the extremely rare occasion that someone remarks that I'm stupid, because I don't feel insecure about my intelligence, but thereRstill downsides of this POV.

Being inconsiderate of other's feelings4example, becuz "its their own responsibility" is1. 4good effects, apply this 2yourself, but not2others. Not logical, but life is 2complex4 logic.

[RevolutionaryJam]

I don't think taking responsibility for how you feel goes hand in hand with being incosiderate of other peoples feelings, that is a numbness that comes over some people after they have been hurt.

Usually the opposite is the case, people become kinder and more mindful because they aren't so bruised and beaten by life and have more energy for others.

[givebirthathome]

Thanks for your reply. You are right, the better you get at maintaining your own balance, the more compassionate you can be, but try to think more about why what I said can be true. I've been working with this principle for a long time, and I am not just speculating, I've seen disastrous effects of the misapplication of this principle.

[RevolutionaryJam]

I think you're also right in that sometiems we can all do with some sensativity and a hug, there is nothing wrong with that as we're all human and it's good to make this available to others, I don't think any of us are enlightened yet so it's not weak to ask these things from your environment and hopefully they will help us along the way x

[givebirthathome]

Yes. o  : )

[pho3nixr3b0rn]

teehee LOVE ^_^

[RevolutionaryJam]

*massive hug* Looooove ^.^

[DivineNatureAwakens]

Hi, why do you think that we arnt "enlightened" yet? What is enlightenment?

[RevolutionaryJam]

haha good questions sorry if you are enlightened

I don't think I am because I get so miserable sometimes and I relate to the emotion rather observing it as it is, I think that would be better

and other vices I think I have, I don't imagine to eliminate all of them but I think there is some distance I would like to go x

namaste

[DivineNatureAwakens]

I wouldn't say "Iam enlightened" I understand that it is seen by no one, it cannot be claimed. Although, on the personal level of "personal diminishment" I can say that Iam in the "baby stage" of awakening or opening. As a person it seems that I have a choice and make choices everyday and that is fine it is the game it is not right nor wrong and I can embrace that and pretend, but "Iam not the person" I am not what I think I am

[Th3Awakening]

well said friend plain and simple no mince anywere

[5starrater1]

When I analyse anything that people do that 'hurts' me, its almost never personal.

And sometimes when I wake up and I feel overwhelmed with problems, I sit down and write a list of stuff I love, things I'm grateful for and a list of things I'm glad aren't problems, like "I'm grateful I don't have constant wind". It makes me feel much more positive.

[RevolutionaryJam]

they say that gratitude is the key

[Namaste1001]

A good point that I learnt years ago when suffering from deppresion.

[RevolutionaryJam]

have you managed to come out and see the sunshine yet?

[omgmnre2]

why do you feel like telling people this? what is your prime objective?

[RevolutionaryJam]

mine? just to awaken peoples mind to the possibility that they can live happier lives if they train this

cos I was feeling bad and this is what I wanted to do but was finding it difficult to put into practice

[shaz2oo6]

Nothing is either good or bad but thinking makes it so.