It looks so familiar after all these years. Sifu Tang Wah had done a good job as long as he had been a student of Master Moy Yat who was my "si-suk". Great!!
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Also the grab should be done with individual fingers not, the cupping of a hand around the forearm. The attacker can just slip out of the hand twisting down-right, as part of recovery (at 2:09).
"Escape" is something that applies to extended control. We do not seek that. Good WC happens in an instant lop-da in the blink of an eye.
AFTER lop-da the lop hand would then strike, FanSao. In part why the thumb doesn't wrap. We keep going. The arm on top, with a lop under, offers an option of conversion to lock, break-control-not possible if lop is "lower"..
with the lower lop, the single punch is more effective, where the opponent is 'impaled' on the punch as well as the depth of the punch as the lop creates a trunk rotation, with the punching arm going further in as the trunk rotates.
The energy of the attack depending on how committed that attack is--will cause the 'impale' you speak of. Now, one can choose to add more pull to their energy but the standard lop in both the Wong version and the Moy version is done without the thumb wrap. Again this expression of wing chun is very quick and dirty, like a handful of fire crackers going off--not all at once but very close and very explosive.. One of the core concepts is to continue (fan sao) each move must set up the next, etc
Fair enough, if you don't keep hold of the wrist afterwards for control. You are right the thumb would gen in the line of attack with the hand that did the lop. That is your style.
The lop hand hits a microsecond after the other, using a WCK concept called hand replacement the lop hand would or could be replaced by the other hand for purposes of energy issuing/control while it hits..
We seek only to control the line and fill that line with attack.
The hitting hand must be re-chambered to re-fire. Control/energy issuing is from both the striking and the assisting hand-the one not firing at the moment.
"Control" is achieved by blasting them. Where 'blasting them' is continuous and also need not always be fists, also legs are used to assist control, do more damage and prevent escape. The advanced WCK man will use his legs as much as his hands, arms and elbows. Continuous energy flow and release...
All things instantiate control.. we have two hands...arm, and two legs... All four are used to 'control' but again we only seek to set off that pack of fire crackers and get out of Dodge..
Hanging on to them is not generally what wing Chun is about--we do not chase hands.
It is more about conservation of motion, energy, time, etc... The lop hand is ready to go in half the timing of the repeat da hand...
The Lop Sao grab isn't grabbed low enough. I mean the end of the grab should be down to the hip level. It should be deeper, with more penetrating power on the punch. There is also a noticeable parry pre-move. Where the defender is getting ready to receive the punch rather than move forward with the parry into the attacker's upper forearm, elbow. In this way a lot of the power of the punch is countered and redirected, rather than being hit by the punch and its force.
wing chun is very scientific. I love this martial arts. The greatest martial artists know wing chun, like jet li, jacky chan, bruce lee and donney yen. It really ironic though that mostly men learn wing chun now, but it was invented by a woman, or so the myth goes.
very nice explanation. I particularly like his native cantonese, although it must have been difficult for non-cantonese speakers. What is the origin of this series? Looks like it is from Hong Kong.
This is from Toronto, Canada, in the 80's. Master Sunny Tang (Dunn Wah) became GM Moy Yat's friend and student in Hong Kong while GM Moy Yat was training under GM Ip Man.
It looks so familiar after all these years. Sifu Tang Wah had done a good job as long as he had been a student of Master Moy Yat who was my "si-suk". Great!!
ThePeteanne 6 months ago
watched the clips when I was in Vancouver back in 1990!
ThePeteanne 6 months ago
@wingchunwater Tradicional Wing Chun isnt modified like you say.
In this video is modified version of Wing Chun.
Tradicional Wing Chun have much effective footwork.
brkokrk 1 year ago
Yeah I said it...When the owner of this video can make the same comments on our site..whats wrong us making the same comments on his site...Hulkout666...calm down before you blow a vein.. because you won't be swearing at me if i was standing in front of you...you will be crying for you Mama...
naaadarku 1 year ago
Nice to see my Sigung in action here. He was obviously a lot younger. I'm guessing this was filmed sometime in the 80s.
hulkout666 2 years ago
I believe it was from the 80s or late 70s.. Recorded for a Hong Kong news segment as I recall..
trondyne 2 years ago
What a bunch of crap..you should be ashamed of yourself
naaadarku 1 year ago
Also the grab should be done with individual fingers not, the cupping of a hand around the forearm. The attacker can just slip out of the hand twisting down-right, as part of recovery (at 2:09).
No disrespect, just points I can see.
Great video guys!
Flamaker 2 years ago
Disagree. At 209 the lop IS done with a wrap of the fingers. The thumb is NOT supposed to wrap. The purpose: To clear, attack the line.
trondyne 2 years ago
"Escape" is something that applies to extended control. We do not seek that. Good WC happens in an instant lop-da in the blink of an eye.
AFTER lop-da the lop hand would then strike, FanSao. In part why the thumb doesn't wrap. We keep going. The arm on top, with a lop under, offers an option of conversion to lock, break-control-not possible if lop is "lower"..
trondyne 2 years ago
with the lower lop, the single punch is more effective, where the opponent is 'impaled' on the punch as well as the depth of the punch as the lop creates a trunk rotation, with the punching arm going further in as the trunk rotates.
Different purpose of the lop sao I suppose.
Flamaker 2 years ago
The energy of the attack depending on how committed that attack is--will cause the 'impale' you speak of. Now, one can choose to add more pull to their energy but the standard lop in both the Wong version and the Moy version is done without the thumb wrap. Again this expression of wing chun is very quick and dirty, like a handful of fire crackers going off--not all at once but very close and very explosive.. One of the core concepts is to continue (fan sao) each move must set up the next, etc
trondyne 2 years ago
Fair enough, if you don't keep hold of the wrist afterwards for control. You are right the thumb would gen in the line of attack with the hand that did the lop. That is your style.
Flamaker 2 years ago
That would mean our hand is trapped as well..
The lop hand hits a microsecond after the other, using a WCK concept called hand replacement the lop hand would or could be replaced by the other hand for purposes of energy issuing/control while it hits..
We seek only to control the line and fill that line with attack.
trondyne 2 years ago
My hand is trapped yes, but it is holding onto the opponent's wrist, giving me control of them.
Flamaker 2 years ago
The lop hand is already ready to fire.
The hitting hand must be re-chambered to re-fire. Control/energy issuing is from both the striking and the assisting hand-the one not firing at the moment.
"Control" is achieved by blasting them. Where 'blasting them' is continuous and also need not always be fists, also legs are used to assist control, do more damage and prevent escape. The advanced WCK man will use his legs as much as his hands, arms and elbows. Continuous energy flow and release...
trondyne 2 years ago
I meant control as in holding the opponent's arm, not letting go, moving them around, kicking and punching as balance and timing permits.
If you are using hitting as form of control, if the opponent parries or moves out of the way, you no longer control them.
Flamaker 2 years ago
All things instantiate control.. we have two hands...arm, and two legs... All four are used to 'control' but again we only seek to set off that pack of fire crackers and get out of Dodge..
Hanging on to them is not generally what wing Chun is about--we do not chase hands.
It is more about conservation of motion, energy, time, etc... The lop hand is ready to go in half the timing of the repeat da hand...
trondyne 2 years ago
The Lop Sao grab isn't grabbed low enough. I mean the end of the grab should be down to the hip level. It should be deeper, with more penetrating power on the punch. There is also a noticeable parry pre-move. Where the defender is getting ready to receive the punch rather than move forward with the parry into the attacker's upper forearm, elbow. In this way a lot of the power of the punch is countered and redirected, rather than being hit by the punch and its force.
Flamaker 2 years ago
The placement of the lop is correct for us. The key is the elbow position, the wrap of the fingers and the clearing of the line.
Variations of exact location is dependant on the intent of the user. The further away the hands the longer the transition to fan sao.
trondyne 2 years ago
There is no parry per se. There is simply structure (man sao) which changes shape adapting to the opponents energy/position.
The opponent's energy is dissolved in this manner & the line is filled with attack-at the same time.
The drill is about flow and continuity, although this variation was later phased out.
trondyne 2 years ago
I have seen some of your stuff.. You appear to be working independently on JKD elements.. Do you have any formal WCK training and if so under whom?
trondyne 2 years ago
Please understand I'm not trying to disrespect your lop sao, I am simply pointing out the differences of a lop sao from what I have been taught.
I practice jun fan gung fu.
Flamaker 2 years ago
Very good , someone tell me more videos about Sifu Tommy Carruthers?Thanks.
ArtesmarcialesJKD 3 years ago
wing chun is very scientific. I love this martial arts. The greatest martial artists know wing chun, like jet li, jacky chan, bruce lee and donney yen. It really ironic though that mostly men learn wing chun now, but it was invented by a woman, or so the myth goes.
xiaolintraditional90 3 years ago
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good video thanks
popaoomowmow 3 years ago
Very good explanation of technique application, even if I can't understand the Cantonese it is very well and clearly demonstrated in this clip
Wing Chun forever
bluesmuso 3 years ago 2
great video. i was wondering if u knew what this t.v show series was called. mayb we can track down the rest of it and upload it.
GearsOfWar1235 3 years ago
Awesome ... simply awesome!
narayanr 3 years ago
Holy smokes, where do I find the rest of it?
winniepooh2 3 years ago
would someone be kind enough to put some subtitles in these videos, it would be really nice if i could understand them.
nirpal24 4 years ago
If someone can translate these and send me the text by time I can edit it in...
trondyne 4 years ago
very nice explanation. I particularly like his native cantonese, although it must have been difficult for non-cantonese speakers. What is the origin of this series? Looks like it is from Hong Kong.
talesofhoffman 4 years ago
Yes, this is from a short series that aired in Hong Kong.. Wish I could understand it all.. :)
There is more in this series but these are all I have.. Sunny was one of the first USA students of the late GM Moy Yat.
Glad you folks liked it..
trondyne 4 years ago
This is from Toronto, Canada, in the 80's. Master Sunny Tang (Dunn Wah) became GM Moy Yat's friend and student in Hong Kong while GM Moy Yat was training under GM Ip Man.
acestormrider 3 years ago
very nice and really looks like a non commercial yong chun
natharaja 4 years ago
nice
efffcia198 4 years ago
Ho Chi Sao,Doi jeh for sharing
shengchenfan 4 years ago