3of12-Special Creation(Horse Whale Evolution Lie)Billy Crone

[Andersll11]

hah, you either believe in evolution, or you're special.. get it?

[gastarbeiter1]

Please stop screming. Its not getting more true when screamed louder neither is it less stupid...

[doulos1981]

Hyracotherium is not a hyrax.  It is just similar to one.

[freethinker143]

when it comes to science I will listen to scientists if I want a serman I will go to church

[oopscanada]

Ha ha; somebody is posting that atheists IQ is higher than everybody else who has faith. This is so laughable. In their desperation to prove that their so called theory of evolution, which is false, appears intelligent, they quote themselves as intellegent. So, that people who want to be rated as intelligent, also become like them: descendants of apes. Oh well; I always questions these stats. For instance, in most NA universities their most intelligent professors are Jewish and Christians

[speerdali]

What a load of rubbish!

This is too ridiculous to even respond to.

[LaingGod]

creatards are subhumans

[Atalatl]

Is your special purpose in life to swallow the lies of the ignorant dolt and phony religioso Billy Crone? Is your special purpose to be a drone for Crone, a zombie for Jesus~~worship god in your own way, as guaranteed by law; just don't allow yourself to be duped by this pathetic excuse for a pastor whose knowledge of the realities of the world is less than that of a freshman in Highschool !!

[Atalatl]

"Evolution says you are nothing"~False

"... you came from nothing"~False

"...you have no future"~False

"...a special creation"~False

"created for a special purpose"~ False

A video that begins with 5 lies !!!

#1,2,&3 refer to abiogenesis, which the ignorant dolt Crone can't tell from Evolution, and #3 is just plain crap entirely, as evolution makes no statement regarding the future of individuals or species--> #4&5 PLEASE !!! Do some thinking-->a special creation for a special purpose???

[Atalatl]

Since dog has been blocked by censorship eph2810

Q~"how fast was light traveling?"

A: 300,000,000 m / s !! The speed of light has never been shown to vary, ever. Stop listening to ignorant yahoo fake pastors who lie their asses off, and just simply look it up. If the speed of light were not a constant,fool, atomic weapons would not work-->ask the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki if they don't work !!

[Atalatl]

As for 5tony, apes and humans are primates; apes have human blood types with identical blood antigens [see pubmed]; humans, Chimps and Bonobos share more than 95% of their DNA, and it has just been discovered that humans and Bonobos share a segmant of DNA that Chimps do not, making Bonobos closer to humans [Nature of Things,Dec 23]. Try to do a little science fool, and stay away from phony,ignorant creeps like Crone, who couldn't tell the truth if his kid's lives depended on it !!

[5tonyvvvv]

man is not a fuckin ape!!!!!!we r very different

[dogsisiht]

6,000 yrs old, huh---lets do the math!Putting the mass of the earth together generated friction,which is also required to keep the mass together...friction means heat, lots of it!! In fact a startling amount, as follows~

mass of Earth = 5.9742 × 10 24th kilograms

the speed of light = 300,000,000 m / s

E=mc2, resulting in 54x10 40th joules of energy,or

86.4x10 59th electron volts of energy

[dogsisiht]

Minimum energy for fusion is 17.1 x 10 6th ev,

meaning there is 69 x 10 53rd ev in excess of the minimum

fusion requirement...6 day creation means Earth is a sun, not a planet!

Since we are clearly upon a planet, and the mathematic requirements are both well-known and proven, there is but one conclusion-Genesis is wrong.

Illinois Institute of Technology, University of Toronto Department of Physics,

Google Calculator

[eph2810]

one assumption here is that light was traveling at 300,000 m/s.

the speed of light has been shown to be a variable and not a constant.

so, how fast was light traveling at the time the earth was created?

[tmiddled]

@eph2810 haha, idiot. So Einstein was wrong? I swear my GPS is accurate......must be a coincidence that it is ALWAYS RIGHT!!

[eph2810]

@tmiddled dear who ever you are - before sounding so puffed up with yourself, you might try to look up some of the subjects you comment on.

Try this - Harvard Physicist Plays Magician With the Speed of Light ( WIRED MAGAZINE: ISSUE 15.11 , By Erin Biba 10.23.07 )

I don't know about Einstein, but your answer did not refute what was asked.

[WeAreRaptureReady]

it so sad that people believe in everything except the bible. i could make a book about evolution right now and put a bunch of lies in it and i bet you guys will defend it. anything that God says in the bible its so hard for you guys to believe it i just dont understand. i really want you to think about your life what are u living for what ever it is if its not God it considered an ldol. u got to worship something so everybody what do u worship is it God or money or is it yourself think about it

[Sambarre]

Well if we evolved from apes why are the apes we see now never evolving or starting to evolve?

Also dinasours are the birds? You are telling me that one dinasour laid eggs and a bird eventually flew out of? Not to mention there better be more then one of them?

Also scientist believe whales once walked on land, but lost it's legs? So if Lightning struck pond scum and life crawled out of it, then a whale de-evolved. LOL, I don't know. Just funny to me.

[thisis3d]

i don't know whether to insult you or try in vain to educate you. hmm.... both? evolution doesn't happen instantly, you twat. the apes came form the same ancestor we we did. thats why you won't see an ape become a human. douche. two populations of monarch flycatcher birds ab currently being studied because we think the are about to start the process of speciation, bitch.

[thisis3d]

to finish, "So if Lightning struck pond scum and life crawled out of it" is abio-genesis you moron, it is a separate theory but idiots like you will never learn, because you believe. i think things, so if something is wrong i learn what is instead correct. you can' do that if you only believe. you don't need to open your mind, you just need to use it. there is hope you feel informed and insulted.

[Offsides09]

LOL!!!!! Typical evilutionist response. We can see by your response where the ideas of evolution and atheism takes us. Filth and arrogance. Sorry to tell you that evilution never happened. I laugh at the idea of evilution taking millions of years. Ahhhh...the magic wand of evilution. The impossible can become possible if just given enough time.

It would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.

[tmiddled]

@Offsides09 Do the research before making ignorant remarks. Countries with a high atheist rate generally have a significantly higher quality of life.

As for crime:

Approx 76% USA are christians - approx 83% of the prison population are christians

Approx 8-14%USA are athesits - approx 0.2% of the prison population are athesits

Christians are 50 times more likely to commit a chrime than athesits on a per capita basis, and the vast majority of athesits accept evolution

[Offsides09]

@tmiddled You are so full of it. Christians are 50 more times likely to commit a crime....LOL!!! You obviously have no clue.

[tmiddled]

@Offsides09 I base my statements on evidence. Look it up yourself (Source: Federal Bureau of Prisons).

The only other explanation is that athesits are just more likely to get away with it. But although the I.Q rate of athesits is significantely higher (look this up too), I don't believe that this accounts for 50 times more christians in prison per capita.

Unless its another conspiracy like that whole science thing.

[tmiddled]

@Offsides09 See, the problem is, to get any credibility you need to supply some reputable evidence for your argument.

"You obviously have no clue" is not evidence.

You can't just make the assumption that you are right because someone has told you athesits don't have morals. You need to research the topic at hand.

Maybe look at statistics of other countries religion in prison rate, or find alternative studies (note, source needs to be reputable). Good luck and get back to me if you succeed

[Offsides09]

@tmiddled What you don't seem to understand is that someone might say that they are a Christian, but their actions obviously dispute that. Hitler claimed to believe some Christian views...his actions clearly represented the opposite. So you might have statistics that report the insidious actions of those who claim to be Christians, but in reality, they aren't Christians at all. Statistics can be misleading.

[tmiddled]

@Offsides09 A christian is someone that believes Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior. It even says in the bible that all can be forgiven as long as you accept the Big J-Man in your heart. So regardless of your actions, you can still be a Christian.  That's where they get their excuses from "Oh, he'll forgive me".

And descripencies like the one you discussed can account for small fluctuations in statistics, but not such an overwhelming trend

[Offsides09]

@tmiddled I know what it means to be a Christian. Regardless of your actions you can still be a Christian? Uhhh...don't think so. Your actions will tell whether or not you are a Christian. You can't say that Jesus is your savior and then go out and do whatever you want. A true Christian will exemplify Christ...a counterfeit will not.

[ofreshartist]

Satan is real and Satan behind this lie called "evolution". Get behind me satan I'm following Yeshua.Amen.

[pontecanis]

ofreshartist~don't be silly~Satan is playing hockey in Pennsylvania, and Hell is in Michigan-->evolution is true and proven! Your evidence for bibleist creation is...........? I suppose you agree with Bishop Ussher too...

[ofreshartist]

I believe the bible is true because it was the only religion book ever inspired by God. It accurately predicted the future hundreds of times over. The Lord God declaring the end from the begining no other religious even comes anywhere close to the prophecies laid out in the biblical scriptures written. No,islam,buddha,mormonism,none­....

[ofreshartist]

"Your evidence for bibleist creation is...........?" God was there and he told me in his holy devine word. The bible has a historical geneology from Adam(first man) to Moses to Jesus (2000 years ago). Which is around 6,000 years ago not millions. Exodus 20:11 KJV - "11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

[pontecanis]

ofreshartist~sorry, the use of biblical quotations to support biblical creation is called The Fallacy of Appeal to Authority~~it nullifies any point you make!

I see you do agree with Bishop Ussher who has been thoroughly disproved~~you need to know that both Jericho and Troy have been very reliably dated to 8,000 years ago~Additionally, if the mass of the earth was assembled in 6 days or less, Earth would be a sun, not a planet...

[ofreshartist]

"you need to know that both Jericho and Troy have been very reliably dated to 8,000 years ago" -That's a lie. "if the mass of the earth was assembled in 6 days or less, Earth would be a sun, not a planet"-That's another lie. The Bible states God created a (firmament of water)above the earth in Genesis, which was suspanded above the atmosphere which allows people to live longer. And when noah flood came and wiped out all save eight people.

[pontecanis]

ofresh~Ok bozo, entertain all the delusions you wish~~mass of Earth = 5.9742 × 10 24th kilograms

the speed of light = 300 000 000 m / s

E=mc2, resulting in 54x10 40th joules of energy,or 86.4x10 59th electron volts of energy~Minimum energy for fusion is

17.1 x 10 6th ev, meaning there is

69 x 10 53rd ev in excess of the minimum

fusion requirement...you are the liar

[pontecanis]

"Discovered and excavated by Kathleen Kenyon in her Trench I,a Neolithic tower was built and destroyed in Pre-Pottery Neolithic A, which Kenyon dated to 8000-7000 B.C. The 8m diameter tower stands 8m tall and was connected on the inside of a 4m thick wall. The oldest stairs and wall in the world are on the site. The layers of 23 ancient civilizations were uncovered here and may be as much as 9,000 years old". You are the liar

[pontecanis]

Troy had existed for about 4,000 years prior to being sacked by the Greeks and abandoned in 1100 BC...it was later resettled and sacked again by the Romans~that makes Troy approximately 7200 years old, well older than the Ussher claimed...you are the liar!

Attributions~Israeli Department of Antiquities,Wikipedia,

Illinois Institute of Technology, University of Toronto Department of Physics,Virtual Israel Experience, All About Turkey

[pontecanis]

By the way,ofresh, using what the bible says to prove what the bible says is a fallacy, specifically the Fallacy of Appeal to Authority...I understand you worship the bible, and god only secondarily, but the fact remains your arguments are invalid and have been proven so...go back on your medication...

[ofreshartist]

I let God word be true and every man a liar. Jesus Christ did create the heavens and earth in six literal days, and Jesus says the earth is around 6,000 years old and I believe him.

[pontecanis]

ofreshh~god speaks to you often, does she? The short,fat woman who looks like Bella Abzug and has a staff and a bunch of sheep? The KJV says" 1-In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth", not JC...at least get the delusion right~

[ofreshartist]

"1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."-John 1:1-3,14 Kjv; Jesus is God and he is the Word which was made flesh.

[pontecanis]

ofresh~~my condolences!

"Procul,o procul este miserande puer, si qua fata espera rumpas...

[okkima]

"I let God word be true and every man a liar. Jesus Christ did create the heavens and earth in six literal days, and Jesus says the earth is around 6,000 years old and I believe him."

Never read the bible?

It was GOD that created the world in 6 days. And Jesus never told earth is 6000 years old. Its was calculated by Bishop Ussher, look from wikipedia, the first 3 lines.

[okkima]

Dating was calculated according to the proleptic Julian calendar. NOT BY CALCULATING THE AGE OF ANY MATERIAL BUT USING SOME CALENDAR AND DOUBLING THE NUMBERS!

[ofreshartist]

Jesus is God-John 1:1-3,14,Rev 2:8)

Matt 19:4 Jesus said Adam, and eve were the first people on earth, and there is a complete genelogy from Adam to Jesus (Time of 4,000 years), Jesus to Now 2000 years roughly . That's 6,000 years

[pontecanis]

Billy Crone is an abject liar incapable of telling any truth,any time, anywhere ~his "conclusions" are junk, his bigotry overweaning, his ignorance of life and science are essentially unmatched in the world of evangelicofascist authoritarianism~even Kent Hovind does not make the asinine claims this buffoon makes! It is not surprising that even mainstream evangelism and creationism supporters have no time for this deluded fool~

[Grimblix]

Evolutionists always use the example of our "common genetics" with chimps, but answer me this: Why didn't the chimps evolve with us?

And furthermore, have any of you calculated the odds of random chemicals forming into

advanced sentient beings?

Even by your own logic, the odds are more

than equal that God did it. Evolution is a

FUNCTION of life, NOT a cause or explanation

of it. Man DE-EVOLVED from a perfect being,

just like Genesis says.

The Bible is Science, written by Mystics.

[RhunDraco]

@Grimblix: Have you studied evolution via natural selection, or are you content with the same misinformation? The problem with most creationists is they they will simply refuse to investigate for themselves, instead relying on reading material written by creationists for creationists. In the end, no matter what, a creationist will always answer any question with "God did it." If you, or any other creationist, can actually show true evidence of an intelligent designer, please do.

[Grimblix]

Yes, I have. I've also studied nearly every religion and legend of nearly every known culture on this Earth. I'm also a chemist, Gnostic-Hermetic philosopher, and physicist myself. You can call me a "creationist" but I don't like misused terms turned into insults.

And no, we did NOT "evolve" from lower life forms, we "DE-evolved" from perfect beings.

Primates are byproducts of man's early attempts to copy God's Work of Creation.

Genesis is in fact an Alchemical instruction manual.

[RhunDraco]

You're trying to say that humans created apes? Ok, ignoring that for a second, please provide the evidence you have to support the claim that we de-evolved. Do you have an actual specimen of this "perfect being" that we can compare our current state, aka the genome, to?

And I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that you are an expert in every subject you mentioned. Can you prove your vast educational background, or are you just blowing hot air on the internet?

[cruelfate45]

It's the random mutations part that throws most people, not necessarily the act of selection. And then you have to explain that natural selection doesn't act abstractly on individuals, but the hereditary information in the DNA of populations that changes over time due to genetic drift and random mutations. And genesis has been interpreted rather accurately through an evolutionary perspective long ago, so they need not cling to a literal, and still subjective interpretation.

[VeggieTrunks]

Not to mention, has anyone every thought about the fact that we are a step DOWN from an ape? Think about it. Apes can live much more efficiently in the wild, they're WAY stronger, don't have to cook their food, can hunt their own food without using anything but their bare hands and strength. Yeah, we're smarter, but why do we even need to be this smart?

Seriously. What is the purpose of becoming conscious, intelligent beings? Monkeys survive just fine without it.

[RhunDraco]

There is no purpose to evolution. There is no end product, no desired state. And we are not really a step down from apes, nor are they a step up from us. We are both good at surviving in our niches.

The line that eventually evolved into us developed larger brains to cope with different environmental and competitive pressures than the line that led to modern apes.

[hajcsatok]

first i'd like to mention that the most wise researchers of evolution have to fce a force that made this whole thing, and as i know the church doesnt face this statement, that revolution exists.ive learned this from priest:)

another thjing: pointed teeth..manycreatures have pointed teeth that are not predators, and not just eating plant.. theres something between those..eating insects, seeds..and pointed teeth to open up these(kitin eg)

biggest horse however is shire..

[acme181169]

If evolution is true, why hav'nt Horses 'evolved' saddles? According to the darwin people we've been riding them for millions and millions of years yet we still have to put saddles on them!

Praise the LORD and President Bush

Butter is Satans spunk!

Statement issued by the Margerine Marketing Board GB Ltd

[kamicka23]

Besides, if evolution was real, we'd still be seeing evolution happening before our eyes. What cosmic event would stop gorillas from still evolving if it were true? It's not, it's just a lie to deceive you from knowing the love of God & the most wonderful things He has in store for you. Rather than to accept evolution, prove God is not real.

[kamicka23]

See, even the gorilla was shaking his head "NO" to the narrator, he knew that man did not evolve from his loins, but rather from God. We are wonderously made & to say we evolved from gorillas - well, maybe you buddy, but not me. If you want to believe that you evolved from nothing, that you're nothing & when you die that you'll go to nothing, all I can say is - I'm sorry. To know that God IS real & to experience the love He has for us, you have no idea what you're missing or where you're going.

[jhbbunch]

Who has ever said we evolved from gorillas? We evolved from a common ancestor with chimps.

We have about 250 differences in genes from that ancestor. We have about 580 genes that are different from chimps. The rest of our 22000 genes that are active are the same. That is, you have over 21000 genes that make you an ape and about 250 that make you a human.

[kamicka23]

Like I said friend,if you want to believe you evolved from chimps-go ahead. I don't & won't believe it (I would look like a chimp with all those genes).I believe we were created by God & were wonderfully made from someone who loved us. So what if your genes & a chimp is close, the difference between a genius & a crazy person is one extra gene. What makes the difference is God. If you want your ancestor to be a chimp by all means, he's a chimp, but mine is God (Who created the chimp by the way).

[RhunDraco]

@kamicka23: It's so convenient that people with the same arguments as yourself always seem to skip over the "common ancestor" part. We did *not* evolve *from* chimpanzees. Both chimps and our ancestors way back came from a common ancestor. If you really want to be able to refute it, study evolution, come up with your own theory, provide the *evidence*, and when scientists accept that your theory debunks evolutionary theory, we will *all* talk about yours. Until then, you are ignorant.

[Kowishii134]

I'M SPESHUL

[sacrosanct24]

Second, horse evolution was not smooth and gradual. Different traits evolved at different rates, didn't always evolve together, and occasionally reversed "direction". Also, horse species did not always come into being by gradual transformation ("anagenesis") of their ancestors; instead, sometimes new species "split off" from ancestors ("cladogenesis") and then co-existed with those ancestors for some time. Some species arose gradually, others suddenly.

[cruelfate45]

everything you said was an attempt to take the evidence and fit it into the presupposition that horses evolved by way of the species assumed. maybe it is not smooth and gradual and it reverses direction because it's not evolution, or at least through known mechanisms. maybe the best known example of Darwinian Evolution, the horse, doesn't fit the Darwinian model because it didn't evolve...ever think of it that way or do you simply have to fit the evidence into the model, no matter how akward?

[AnonymousCommentator]

There is NO inter-species,they doesn't exist at all. Footprints of dinosaurs and men in same print are seen a lot. Bones of bothd are seen together.

And Charles Darwin was a High Degree Free-Mason, so...

that's making as point. He said himself that, a lot of plants, and fruit trees ,and Mamouths, and much more, COULDN'T be explained by his theories...still today.

I believe it and studied it too long, I even tought that Velikovski could bring me much more evidence of evolution, I've been duped!

[sacrosanct24]

Wow.

you should publish a paper on dinosaur and human fossils being found together. try as much as I can, I can't seem to find any.

[AnonymousCommentator]

Did you really read his books or not!

Did you read what happened in front of the scientific counsol?

Are you fucking idiot?

[Friendly10]

Wow i thought Darwin was a freemason too.

[sacrosanct24]

Le Sigh.

First, horse evolution didn't proceed in a straight line. We now know of many other branches of horse evolution. Our familiar Equus is merely one twig on a once-flourishing bush of equine species. We only have the illusion of straight-line evolution because Equus is the only twig that survived. (See Gould's essay "Life's Little Joke" in Bully for Brontosaurus for more on this topic.)

[cruelfate45]

The problem with Gould is that you get 10% science and 90% imagination, 10% fact and 90% jargon. Have you ever listened to a person who asserted their view was absolutely correct? I only know of one human condition that would give someone that much confidence. It's called self denial. When I started to read some Gould, some Dawkins, even Ken Miller, all I could concentrate on was the irony of their inability to admit evolution could be wrong. Why is this?

[RhunDraco]

You are wrong about this. Dawkins, and others, have said publicly that if evidence showing that evolution via natural selection can be disproven, they will change their mind. But it has to be verifiable and falsifiable evidence, not someone's opinion or fabrication.

[cruelfate45]

Is the fact that bacteria can engineer and reorganize their own genomes a fabrication? How about the fact that we understand only 1% of the cell? Natural selection is intact for now, and will probably always be seen as playing a role in evolution. But there may be more powerful natural mechanisms at work. I highly suspect it. And they have something to do with the sentient nature of the cell. Call it a fabrication if you want, but it most certainly is an opinion.

[RhunDraco]

Excellent. If you have the beginnings of a scientific theory, please do the work and then present your evidence to the scientific community so that it can be reviewed and discussed. I agree that we are still learning about the cell and its inner workings; it is all very fascinating. However, just because we are still learning does not mean that evolution via NS is wrong. Any links to info on the sentient nature of the cell you can share? I'm honestly curious.

[VeggieTrunks]

And yet if I say just because we don't and will never fully understaned the mind and power of GOD, not just a process like Natural Selection, many people like yourself would laugh and say it's blind faith.

There's a double standard. What I've learned is enough. Life can't randomly mutate, the universe didn't explode from nothing, and natural selection can only SELECT, not CREATE.

[RhunDraco]

You're right about one thing: evolution DOES NOT EVER talk about the origins of life, only how life becomes gradually more complex over time.

Please define 'random mutation' and how pertains to 'life.' What exactly do you mean and how did you decide this?

[pontecanis]

Veggie~"life can't...etc" You seem to base this post on fabrications of bibleist evangelicofascists like Ken Hovind....science does not claim the universe exploded from nothing,only ignorant psychopaths like Hovind claim that~of course natural selection describes a process~only lying psychopaths like Hovind claim NS can create or provide causality~as to random mutations, look up the Philadelphia L chromosome,a [random] mutation that causes aplastic leukemia, or the sicle cell,a malarial defense

[VeggieTrunks]

Here's the evidence. Natural selection can only select. If I give you options A and B, you can't make a C out of that if you're simply selecting. The notion is ridiculous.

Same with the idea that mutations can add information. The word change can make the words can, hang, nag, and more. It can also make screwed up sequences like cahng, geahc, and others. But the word change will never spell the word zebra. Again a ridiculous notion.

[RhunDraco]

Your use of individual characters from the alphabet is oversimplistic. DNA, RNA, chromosomes, genomes, etc, are all far more complex, more 'data heavy' than a single character can portray. What you're saying is that you don't understand the mechanics behind genetics and heredity, and that's OK. You can still learn, but as you said before "what I've learned is enough," so what's the point? You've already chosen to ignore the science, which is a tragedy, really.

[Jahkillian]

What school did you go to? :)

[pontecanis]

A number of them.

[Rhineville]

Gene duplication and subsequent mutation = new genetic information. Ta da.