Lens of truth on rage 360 full install, ps3 partial install: The difference between these two versions boils down to when shit hits the fan in heavy fire fights. Neither version tears in these events, however the 360 version suffers from a noticeable drop in frame rate. The PS3 with a partial install was able to manage a solid sixty frames per second when things got heavy, but the 360 version dropped anywhere from ten to fifteen frames under pressure.
this is the issue, the next generation of hardware will have multi-core processors. The issue right now is software catching up to hardware, and then, finding out how to efficiently program for all the hardware. Same issue on PCs, very little development utilizing the multiple cores.
@sean0196 LOL wow and i care why the loading screens will take longer on the ps3 version so eat shit and im not lazy like u and other gamers who cant be fucked getting up off your fat asses and changing the disk
@V1taLiy86 they run 30 in single player and 60 in multiplayer on both consoles. i don't get why people trip on which console is better, its not like you guys actually worked on the development of either of the consoles =P
@V1taLiy86 Rage runs at 60fps on the consoles only. My computer is running it at 120fps and can go much higher - no point tho since my Tv is a 120hz set.. Of course I am still stuck with the low res textures they had to use to make the game workable on consoles...fucking cheap ass 6 year old garbage fucking with my fun...
@gamenow44 "carmack actually said the 360 version runs at 60fps and the ps3 version at 30 fps" that was said years ago but now the game has come out, few things have changed. 1: in order for 360 to run at 60fps it MUST do the full 22gb install. Ps3 only has the partial install yet ps3 still managed to stay at 60fps when things got hectic, whist 360 dropped in fps. Remember 360 is running with whole game on hdd while ps3 running from hdd and disc.
@2hottie69isBACK PS3 is actually better to program on lots of devs have said, and churns out better games *cough*Uncharted1/2/3/MGS4/Infamous2*cough*
Rarther that than MS forcing devs to lower all platforms to the standard of the 360 lest their game be blocked from being released on the 360 at all. Which is clearly out of fear of competitors getting better verions of games. Oh, and Sony and Nint got where they are out of skill and using decent hard.ware that lasts, rarther than payments.
@2hottie69isBACK Lol ok then, your a 360 fanboy anyway so you can't understand anything more than pointing and shooting a gun, so it's not worth getting into an argument with you, cause your blinded and I'll use long words you'll have to Google to understand. Plus, you seem obsessed with graphics being the most important thing, just showing how limited your mind is in the relm of gaming.
So funny when Geoff Keighly got so lost when Carmack wanted to get into detail about the underlying ps3 tech he had to interrupt him and go to the bottom line. Carmack stayed cooled and composed. Seems it happens quite ofthen in Id with artist and other employee in id and video game industry
what i like most about carmack (other than laying the foundation for modern games as we know them) is that he absolutely refuses to talk down to anybody. it shows he respects people's ability/desire to learn more if they want to, and to not if they don't. he doesnt just assume that if you dont understand him you'll tune him out, cause some people wont, i dont.
Man he knew then exactly what issues the ps3 would face even then just from from actually understanding the hardware. Unlike every fanboy who still dont get it lol.
PS3 is the best console to date! ! ! And I don't give a shit that it's hard to develop games on PS3. .I pay 60 bucks for a game. .so developers, be so kind and sweat a little. .
Strangely enough John Carmack is right, there are only a few developers who really put in the resources to make the PS3 perform so well, and they are all Sony Internal Studios. Gurrilla, Santa Monica, and most Notably NaughtyDog.
It is disappointing that most 3rd party developers won't get the same kind of performance.
@agreatflood2121 It's because all of these motherfuckers are too lazy to even try to develop for it. Perfect example is Gabe Newell. His team didn't even bother trying to develop The Orange Box on the PS3. He just said it was a shitty system and that was the end of it. 3-4 years later, the guys singing praises of Sony and the PS3. Don't get me wrong, I understand that it's much harder to develop for, but still, even if they were to just try, the PS3 would have the better end of multi-plats.
@b34ntown4life You know what man, i am studying game programming right now and i can honestly say that game development has a time schedule. 2nd party games are funded by the brand (sony or microsoft) so they have all the time in the world. But 3rd party games are juggling a dozen projects. So from an investors perspective, the money needs to come and that means respect a time line. PS3 architecture takes twice as long to get THE SAME result as it would on the 360. That is stupid!!
ps3 is a beast in its own rights its the king of single player games in myopinon god of war, heavy rain, uncharted, killzone etc not to mention it has emulators too... coming from a guy who has a pc checkout my pc specs in my channel btw... i also had a shitbox before it over heat rrod..!!.
Interviewer: Thick twat who seems to just be passing on the baiting fanboy questions to Carmack.
Carmack: Shits all over the interviewer with plenty of technical knowledge that neither the interviewer, nor the baiting fanboys could possibly comprehend.
Video is from 2006. If PS3 was made to last one year then he'd be right. But it wasn't. Sony knew that the console was going to have at least 10 years life cycle. In the long run (the run that matters) Sony made the right decision.
All these idiots who spoke badly about PS3 ten seconds after if came out are all eating their words now.
What the fuck are you talking about? He didn't bash the PS3 or the 360, he was pointing out a technical comparison. The PS3's peak performance is higher, but hampered because of the large amount of overhead. Microsoft are a software company, so their XDK has the developer in mind. Sony is a hardware company, so their PS3 SDK is not quite on par with the XDK.
Both platforms are equally capable, but PS3 has overhead issues, which is expressed by Carmack in this interview.
@Emhilradim he implied they made a mistake by making PS3 complicated. He is wrong, in 2006 it was a mistake, but look at it now, developers know exactly what they are doing. It doesn't matter what type of company Micro$oft and Sony are, they both make top quality hardware and software. Just because the XDK was made for the xbox doesn't make it better. Its just a software kit. They made it for their Xbox, their first games console, so they called it XDK. Overhead? Explain.
He covers it really well with the line about breaking down problems into little nuggets to be processed. On a multicore PC standard architecture system (ala PC, 360) this is easy to work with, they can be set up to thread on their own.
Conversely with the PS3 you have several blocks in place including the hypervisor which you have to send all func calls to, and then it assigns a processor for that func call, returns results, etc. That's a lot of overhead because nothing is dynamic.
@Emhilradim he's right that developers have found it difficult to work on, and then all these game programmers started saying that 360 is better. Gabe Newell is a prime example, saying the "PS3 was a disaster". Then he realized that he spoke a bit too soon and apologized for what he said. This vid is 2006, not a word of what he is saying is relevant now, it was relevant in 06 when the PS3 tech was new for gaming, but now look at it.
@NTom92 The reason why Gabe Newell turned towards the PS3 is due to Microsoft's retarded policy on Xbox Live, where, for example, they won't allow free content to be distributed, amongst other things.
@FeanorBR yh and also the reason that i said previously. He realized he was wrong. Carmack would look at this video and say "yes, this doesn't count for much now".
Wow, I don't like the way this interview gets a big smirk and interrupts Carmack everytime Carmack mentions something technical. Just let the guy talk.
carmack couldn't have been more right about developers being forced to program for the more harder to program platform, even though it's more time consuming and more expensive to develop for as it's the dominant platform... look what happened to the sega saturn, it was dropped by many developers because it was expensive and hard to program compared to the much easier ps1.. but ps2 was very hard and had problems but it was still many developers choice over dreamcast because of market dominance.
crytek has killing id software since far cry came out. now id software has more disadvantage in graphical engine because many developer are in favor of cry engine 2 more than their outdated id tech 4. and i don't see they would have any chance bring new feature on their next gen id tech 5.
to sum it all up john said it is harder to make games for the ps3, i have a ps3 and xbox 360, i like them both but i have to agree with him about the ps3
Goddamn keighly you interrupt people to much when you are interviewing them. Your just a pig faced reporter. John carmack or any other person you interview is the real reason why gamers tune in or download these interviews. Not because of your stuck up ass. But because of the geniuses behind the games. So STFU and let the man talk!
@xPreatorianx He may have been suffering from time constraint. There is no way that this interview could last infinitely so at some point it must come to a halt.
@xPreatorianx Agreed. I clicked this video because it said "John Carmack". I don't want to hear some dude interrupting one of the fathers of gaming, and I don't care about whatever the hell else G4 wants to show me. Shut up and let the man who made half your business possible talk, moron.
carmack is also pushing voxel technology with the next iteration of id tech. When that day comes, graphics performance based on hardware will be a thing of the past. With voxels, we could run 3 crysis's simultaneously on a modern gpu like the mid range 460. That is, If crysis was built ground up using voxels as the core means to 3d topolgy.
Carmack is really smart, he's a good programmer, he keeps his projects in line, he does aerospace out of the blue just cause he wants to... and on top of that he seems like a nice guy.
@milkygear why am i retarded or 13? i am also a small game developer for pc. not anything big like ps3 or xbox or huge pc titles like crysis. but i have a small company.
I dont think theres a huge diff between ps3 and 360. It would of been useless for the ps3 to be way more powerful then the 360 since developers are definitely realizing that multiplatform is the logic way to go for them.
@IamAlwaysRight ehh, you'll still get your game that's on one platform... kinda like god of war, uncharted, heavy rain... actually, the list continues highly. we'll also be getting twisted metal, which makes me feel pity for 360 users... but i still smile.
but i do know what you mean, VALVe is even going to Apple computers, so the next Portal will be on just about every system possible....... just not the wii. but wii has many exclusives anyway, great games too. plus nintendo revolutionizes =D
I decided to post this comment again because alot of people failed to realise the meaning of it and downvoted it like crap, i hope you do your homework and listen to this video well so you can understand my comment this time...
that's hilarious, the guy starts acting all shifty when john heads into the tech jargon, I think sitting next to carmack would be intimidating, I honestly think the I.Q of that man would be insane. Bow to your god, 99% of the games you play have technology in them that was created by that man right there
@dchalf10 Oh hell, that guys IQ, like you said, must be insane! Just look at the stuff that came out of id. Cod4 uses their engine for one, plus many others. Should be interesting to see what the future holds as far as new titles from those guys...
The source engine is derived from the quake engine, I did a bit of searching around and literally like half the game engines around have some form of john carmack stamp on them.
Don't care so much for Rage, but Doom 4 should be amazing, fingers crossed for DX11 etc
1. STOP interrupting John Carmack, he is a god, do not interrupt a god.
2. Yeah well we never even came within seven miles of the Dreamcast's true preformance. And how many developers ened up using all of the original Xbox's power? You could ALWAYS say that it could be pushed farther, more cleverly, smarter etc. but there are games that look better on 360, and the games define the console. THERFORE, NOT a huge jump in preformance.
@Offspringfan64 I guess it comes down to how tight the code is. With gigs of ram to play around with and not megs, you get a lot of lazy ass coders that cut too many corners, and a less efficient final product. (Not refering to these guys at all)
@Offspringfan64 he kept interrupting him because the host is saying "everyone watching this show has no clue what the hell he's talking about..." he's speaking very technically which flies over the heads of dumb viewers
@Yakworld That goes without saying. But many of the individuals who are watching this, and who were back when it was still fresh had already heard all of the pop arguments on this topic. It's time for a pro to step in and tell us the cold, hard, confusing as fuck specs, facts and opinions.
@Offspringfan64 did you play god of war 3? can you? how about metal gear solid 4? that was in 200fucking8 and it has INTENSE graphics/gameplay/story like GOW3.
why do we look for games that have good graphics anyway? just because it has graphics, doesn't always mean it's fun! hell i can CONSTANTLY play the first super mario bros game! even though I CONSTANTLY beat it. nintendo and playstation have more of the unique games too, for their own systems, not all games are about war like the 360
Yeah, I know, it's just a term I use to describe people who do extraordinary things with their lives. While some people wither away on their couches, others are out there conquering the world.
MAXED OUT? are you a fucking retard?, DEVS JUST NOW are beginning to understand how to use the PS3 idiot.
Xbox 360 IS DONE FOR, nothing else came out that will look better then GEARS
on that console, ITS OVER nothing will look better then Gears, while on PS3 you got devs outdoing each other, Killzone 2 got outdone by UNCHARTED 2, which then got outdone by GOW3.
You're a fool, UNCHARTED 2/GOW3/KILLZONE 3/HEAVY RAIN/GT5 all TOP graphic in this gen of consoles, if 4 year old chips can do that and 360s chip CAN'T then clearly and older design>>>360's design.
@macfreak18 The Xbox 360 has the same 3D capabilities as the PS3, Microsoft has stated that unlike Sony (who sells TVs) they have no incentive to push it right now.
God of War was a game full of clever programming graphical gimmiks (like pre-rendered in game engine cinematics and fake shadowing) nothing amazing.
Gears has a retarded story, I only play online.
Heavy rain was originally planned on the Xbox as well, if FFXIII was PS3 exclusive people would say Xbox wasn't capable of that too.
@xilefian what words? i left 3 comments, 2 of them including positive things for wii... i just forgot to include the 3DS in my last comment.
I own a PS3 and Wii, so I can only see how 360 users would gang up against those words... whatever words you were talkin about... cuz i seriously have no clue.
@T2DMrBungle What started off Quake besides Source (Half-Life that is)? None actually. As matter of fact, most front line 3d games are built on Unreal Engine these days which has nothing in common with Quake engine.
@alex9044 the IW Tech engine, or the engine behind the entire Call of Duty series, started off its life as the Quake Engine. Combine that with Source and you have at least half of the great FPS games of this decade.
Also, Quake, Doom, Soldier of Fortune II, Medal of Honor: AA, Jedi Knight (several Star Wars and Star Trek games, actually), Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, Prey, Quake Wars. It seems like just about all FPS games can be traced back to Carmack or Sweeney.
the source engine started it's life off the quake engine as well.. or the goldsrc engine used for half-life 1 which was the predecessor of the source engine.
At least PS3 has variety in games, all 360 has is nothing but shooters as for as exclusives are concerened, apart from the odd different game here and there. I wouldnt care less if 360 has the better graphics inside it, so did SNES, but it couldnt run Sonic as the CPU was crap compared to sega's machine. get some more original games like PS3 has and I will start playing the 360, otherwise ill just play 360 games on PC, which xbots seem to forget about owners of a PS3.
i just wanted to see the stupid comments of the fanboys here! LOL!
490DarkPrince 4 weeks ago
Anyone else notice the guy interviewing Carmack has NO clue what the hell Carmack is talking about.
Arkhandroid 1 month ago
@Arkhandroid That's because he's an idiot. TechTV was awesome. G4 blows. Then they merged, kept the blowage and tossed the awesomage.
irllcd13 1 month ago
fuck consoles
krazyliljoo94 1 month ago
on there
sikeyimboyleisi 1 month ago
Lens of truth on rage 360 full install, ps3 partial install: The difference between these two versions boils down to when shit hits the fan in heavy fire fights. Neither version tears in these events, however the 360 version suffers from a noticeable drop in frame rate. The PS3 with a partial install was able to manage a solid sixty frames per second when things got heavy, but the 360 version dropped anywhere from ten to fifteen frames under pressure.
TheCrazyfruitbat 2 months ago
aw man they cut, when he was just talking about Nintendo!
bub777 3 months ago 5
@bub777 Nintendo isn't even worth talking about from a technical standpoint. It's a generation behind everything else.
nexus1g 1 month ago
john should learn from naughty dog
kaskyable 3 months ago
@kaskyable what did you just say?
Jagethemage 2 months ago
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@Jagethemage john blame on ps3 .He said his game is good
but ps3 is not good enough for his game.i think you maybe heard
about Uncharted series from Naughty dog right? Uncharted is definitely better than
all of john's games.it's the reason why I said"john should learn from Naughty dog"
learn to make "real" good game before blame on console
kaskyable 2 months ago
this is the issue, the next generation of hardware will have multi-core processors. The issue right now is software catching up to hardware, and then, finding out how to efficiently program for all the hardware. Same issue on PCs, very little development utilizing the multiple cores.
Swansen03 4 months ago
geoff keighly is such an interruption fag
stewox1 4 months ago
HAHA eat shit sony fanboys
gamenow44 4 months ago
@gamenow44 Its funny because this guys game is releasing next week and its on 3 disks on xbox and 1 on ps3
sean0196 4 months ago
@sean0196 LOL wow and i care why the loading screens will take longer on the ps3 version so eat shit and im not lazy like u and other gamers who cant be fucked getting up off your fat asses and changing the disk
gamenow44 4 months ago
@gamenow44 I would happyily change disks if i had to its just disk swapping hasent been done since the ps1 so really its just a step back
sean0196 4 months ago
@gamenow44 Rage is better on PS3, suck on that, shit eater :P
V1taLiy86 4 months ago
@V1taLiy86 hahahahahaha yep something with longer loading times must be better
gamenow44 4 months ago
@V1taLiy86 oh and carmack actually said the 360 version runs at 60fps and the ps3 version at 30 fps u fuckhead
gamenow44 4 months ago
@gamenow44 both running at 60, u retard!
V1taLiy86 4 months ago
@V1taLiy86 they run 30 in single player and 60 in multiplayer on both consoles. i don't get why people trip on which console is better, its not like you guys actually worked on the development of either of the consoles =P
IgorKizejev 3 months ago
@IgorKizejev no, doom 4 is running at 30 fps in singleplayer, and 60 in multiplayer. Rage is 60 frames per second in both modes, on all platforms.
V1taLiy86 3 months ago
@V1taLiy86 Rage runs at 60fps on the consoles only. My computer is running it at 120fps and can go much higher - no point tho since my Tv is a 120hz set.. Of course I am still stuck with the low res textures they had to use to make the game workable on consoles...fucking cheap ass 6 year old garbage fucking with my fun...
SpecialEdAllstar 3 months ago
@SpecialEdAllstar yea i know, i'm playing Rage on PC and it's gorgeous))
V1taLiy86 3 months ago
@SpecialEdAllstar 120 fps with the highest screen tearing LOL
chaturga13 3 months ago
@chaturga13 forced v-sync and triple buffering. no tearing at all.
SpecialEdAllstar 3 months ago
@SpecialEdAllstar when u turn v-sync u only get 60 frames
chaturga13 3 months ago
@chaturga13 if you have a 60hz display. if you have a 120hz display you get 120fps if you raise the com_maxfps value.
SpecialEdAllstar 3 months ago
@V1taLiy86
Soon PC will run RAGE at +120FPS with better graphics, Just waiting on the patch.
18T220 3 months ago
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@gamenow44 "carmack actually said the 360 version runs at 60fps and the ps3 version at 30 fps" that was said years ago but now the game has come out, few things have changed. 1: in order for 360 to run at 60fps it MUST do the full 22gb install. Ps3 only has the partial install yet ps3 still managed to stay at 60fps when things got hectic, whist 360 dropped in fps. Remember 360 is running with whole game on hdd while ps3 running from hdd and disc.
TheCrazyfruitbat 2 months ago
HAHAHAHA eat shit sony fanboys
gamenow44 4 months ago
LOL
LAZY DEVELOPERS?
VS
SONY FORCING DEVELOPERS TO SWEAT BLOOD
2hottie69isBACK 4 months ago
@2hottie69isBACK PS3 is actually better to program on lots of devs have said, and churns out better games *cough*Uncharted1/2/3/MGS4/Infamous2*cough*
Rarther that than MS forcing devs to lower all platforms to the standard of the 360 lest their game be blocked from being released on the 360 at all. Which is clearly out of fear of competitors getting better verions of games. Oh, and Sony and Nint got where they are out of skill and using decent hard.ware that lasts, rarther than payments.
BiosNova 4 months ago
@BiosNova
incorrect!
mgs4 a great looking game??? are you kidding me?
it looks no better than any average 2010-2011 game on 360.
infamous2? are you kidding me? a shitty game developed with corel painter?
lol ok there buddy, even star wars the forced unleashed looks better.
besides
ign said the 360 version of crysis2 looks better THAN ANY SINGLE GAME ON ANY CONSOLE
that includes uncharted2 and 3
OWNED
2hottie69isBACK 4 months ago
@2hottie69isBACK Lol ok then, your a 360 fanboy anyway so you can't understand anything more than pointing and shooting a gun, so it's not worth getting into an argument with you, cause your blinded and I'll use long words you'll have to Google to understand. Plus, you seem obsessed with graphics being the most important thing, just showing how limited your mind is in the relm of gaming.
BiosNova 4 months ago
@BiosNova
You want to use long words with me but you can't spell realm
2hottie69isBACK 4 months ago
@2hottie69isBACK Lol, you got me there I admit
BiosNova 4 months ago
Poor Keighley, clearly he has no idea what the fuck Godmack is talking about.
rvyagp 5 months ago
Carmack has a point..
joseph971 5 months ago
So funny when Geoff Keighly got so lost when Carmack wanted to get into detail about the underlying ps3 tech he had to interrupt him and go to the bottom line. Carmack stayed cooled and composed. Seems it happens quite ofthen in Id with artist and other employee in id and video game industry
SexyTerrorisT 5 months ago
God damn, The host needs to shut the fuck up and let the man speak!
TheLackofattack 5 months ago
what i like most about carmack (other than laying the foundation for modern games as we know them) is that he absolutely refuses to talk down to anybody. it shows he respects people's ability/desire to learn more if they want to, and to not if they don't. he doesnt just assume that if you dont understand him you'll tune him out, cause some people wont, i dont.
k1llk1ngph30n1x 5 months ago
Woa, that's a big booty launching the 360, couldn't MS pay the usual booth babe?
lvldsnr 5 months ago
Man he knew then exactly what issues the ps3 would face even then just from from actually understanding the hardware. Unlike every fanboy who still dont get it lol.
zfunk 5 months ago
I like turtles!!
UtubeHyperboleGuy 5 months ago
co-founder id studios, lol.
It's id-software ~_~
HelderP1337 6 months ago
I laughed so hard when I saw the guys face at 1:05. He looks like he has no idea what Carmack is talking about.
why0isnt0this0workin 6 months ago
PS3 is the best console to date! ! ! And I don't give a shit that it's hard to develop games on PS3. .I pay 60 bucks for a game. .so developers, be so kind and sweat a little. .
Kiryutka22 6 months ago
carmack.. my hero
DGMRuadeil 6 months ago
Strangely enough John Carmack is right, there are only a few developers who really put in the resources to make the PS3 perform so well, and they are all Sony Internal Studios. Gurrilla, Santa Monica, and most Notably NaughtyDog.
It is disappointing that most 3rd party developers won't get the same kind of performance.
agreatflood2121 6 months ago
@agreatflood2121 It's because all of these motherfuckers are too lazy to even try to develop for it. Perfect example is Gabe Newell. His team didn't even bother trying to develop The Orange Box on the PS3. He just said it was a shitty system and that was the end of it. 3-4 years later, the guys singing praises of Sony and the PS3. Don't get me wrong, I understand that it's much harder to develop for, but still, even if they were to just try, the PS3 would have the better end of multi-plats.
b34ntown4life 6 months ago
@b34ntown4life You know what man, i am studying game programming right now and i can honestly say that game development has a time schedule. 2nd party games are funded by the brand (sony or microsoft) so they have all the time in the world. But 3rd party games are juggling a dozen projects. So from an investors perspective, the money needs to come and that means respect a time line. PS3 architecture takes twice as long to get THE SAME result as it would on the 360. That is stupid!!
WallyWadeMovies 5 months ago
id SOFTWARE, G4, not STUDIOS.
IshidaTheQuincy 6 months ago
geoff is such a fucking gay interrupter , FUCKING LEAVE CARMACK ALONE TO SPEAK IN PEACE !!!!
stewox1 7 months ago
shut the fuck up geoff!
waverazor 7 months ago
ps3 is a beast in its own rights its the king of single player games in myopinon god of war, heavy rain, uncharted, killzone etc not to mention it has emulators too... coming from a guy who has a pc checkout my pc specs in my channel btw... i also had a shitbox before it over heat rrod..!!.
franzken 7 months ago
Keighley just looooooves to cut people off.
Nubs926 8 months ago
Holy shit, Carmack's a NERD. The way he looks and his voice x'DDD But he's epic :P
razourik 9 months ago
Interviewer: Thick twat who seems to just be passing on the baiting fanboy questions to Carmack.
Carmack: Shits all over the interviewer with plenty of technical knowledge that neither the interviewer, nor the baiting fanboys could possibly comprehend.
lab32 9 months ago 8
@lab32 speaking of fanboys... :)
delatroy 3 weeks ago
@delatroy Yeah you.
halfhalo33 2 weeks ago
@lab32 Like x infinity. Nice one.
KKUK01 2 weeks ago
Video is from 2006. If PS3 was made to last one year then he'd be right. But it wasn't. Sony knew that the console was going to have at least 10 years life cycle. In the long run (the run that matters) Sony made the right decision.
All these idiots who spoke badly about PS3 ten seconds after if came out are all eating their words now.
NTom92 9 months ago
@NTom92
What the fuck are you talking about? He didn't bash the PS3 or the 360, he was pointing out a technical comparison. The PS3's peak performance is higher, but hampered because of the large amount of overhead. Microsoft are a software company, so their XDK has the developer in mind. Sony is a hardware company, so their PS3 SDK is not quite on par with the XDK.
Both platforms are equally capable, but PS3 has overhead issues, which is expressed by Carmack in this interview.
Emhilradim 9 months ago
@Emhilradim he implied they made a mistake by making PS3 complicated. He is wrong, in 2006 it was a mistake, but look at it now, developers know exactly what they are doing. It doesn't matter what type of company Micro$oft and Sony are, they both make top quality hardware and software. Just because the XDK was made for the xbox doesn't make it better. Its just a software kit. They made it for their Xbox, their first games console, so they called it XDK. Overhead? Explain.
NTom92 9 months ago
@NTom92
He covers it really well with the line about breaking down problems into little nuggets to be processed. On a multicore PC standard architecture system (ala PC, 360) this is easy to work with, they can be set up to thread on their own.
Conversely with the PS3 you have several blocks in place including the hypervisor which you have to send all func calls to, and then it assigns a processor for that func call, returns results, etc. That's a lot of overhead because nothing is dynamic.
Emhilradim 9 months ago
@Emhilradim he's right that developers have found it difficult to work on, and then all these game programmers started saying that 360 is better. Gabe Newell is a prime example, saying the "PS3 was a disaster". Then he realized that he spoke a bit too soon and apologized for what he said. This vid is 2006, not a word of what he is saying is relevant now, it was relevant in 06 when the PS3 tech was new for gaming, but now look at it.
NTom92 9 months ago
@NTom92 The reason why Gabe Newell turned towards the PS3 is due to Microsoft's retarded policy on Xbox Live, where, for example, they won't allow free content to be distributed, amongst other things.
FeanorBR 7 months ago
@FeanorBR yh and also the reason that i said previously. He realized he was wrong. Carmack would look at this video and say "yes, this doesn't count for much now".
NTom92 6 months ago
I'm Geoff Keighley.
tehPete 10 months ago
PC wins, the end.
briggun22 10 months ago
This video just reminded me of the cruel truth that there will never be another Doom/Quake game.
moarfeene 10 months ago
@moarfeene
Doom 4 is planned. Carmack had said something about it coming much sooner than we'd think.
ThePieIsLie 10 months ago
@ThePieIsLie Thank Satan! ;)
moarfeene 10 months ago
@moarfeene Doom 4 is in production.
xmonkeyofevil 10 months ago
@moarfeene You don't use the internet much, do you?
SilkyMuggs 10 months ago
oh man do i hate geoff keighley
fuckin dick.
captainclayman 10 months ago
His mind moves so fast. I'd need some serious batch of coffee laced with energy drinks to maintain a conversation with Carmack.
cormano64 11 months ago
The interviewer clearly doesn't give a shit about what Carmack is saying. What an idiot.
tehham 11 months ago
The way he explains things is so awesome, everything is so technically succinct and correct. Obviously too much for the goon host though
xcalibur1979 11 months ago
@xcalibur1979 Bang on. Its frustrating to know.
CamRaiD 10 months ago
Wow, I don't like the way this interview gets a big smirk and interrupts Carmack everytime Carmack mentions something technical. Just let the guy talk.
zpconn2 11 months ago
carmack couldn't have been more right about developers being forced to program for the more harder to program platform, even though it's more time consuming and more expensive to develop for as it's the dominant platform... look what happened to the sega saturn, it was dropped by many developers because it was expensive and hard to program compared to the much easier ps1.. but ps2 was very hard and had problems but it was still many developers choice over dreamcast because of market dominance.
cakestalker 11 months ago
I love how the other guy has no idea what he's talking about.
BroyhillVideo 11 months ago
crytek has killing id software since far cry came out. now id software has more disadvantage in graphical engine because many developer are in favor of cry engine 2 more than their outdated id tech 4. and i don't see they would have any chance bring new feature on their next gen id tech 5.
hanrinch 11 months ago
Pisses me off how much this dipshit keeps interrupting god.
KyleGP 1 year ago
John Carmack is like a awesome Bill Gates. John's dedication to open source programming and community fan feedback is awesome.
vampov 1 year ago 2
i can't believe how this guy is interrupting carmack, i'd bow before carmack if i was there..
Justdiespawn 1 year ago
l0lconsoles
beanmike206 1 year ago
to sum it all up john said it is harder to make games for the ps3, i have a ps3 and xbox 360, i like them both but i have to agree with him about the ps3
Shikamaru392 1 year ago
Goddamn keighly you interrupt people to much when you are interviewing them. Your just a pig faced reporter. John carmack or any other person you interview is the real reason why gamers tune in or download these interviews. Not because of your stuck up ass. But because of the geniuses behind the games. So STFU and let the man talk!
xPreatorianx 1 year ago 56
@xPreatorianx Agreed. Carmack was about to answer all of his questions before he interrupted him!
likedamaster 9 months ago
@xPreatorianx He may have been suffering from time constraint. There is no way that this interview could last infinitely so at some point it must come to a halt.
NuroXS 6 months ago
@xPreatorianx Agreed. I clicked this video because it said "John Carmack". I don't want to hear some dude interrupting one of the fathers of gaming, and I don't care about whatever the hell else G4 wants to show me. Shut up and let the man who made half your business possible talk, moron.
lx45803 6 months ago
carmack is also pushing voxel technology with the next iteration of id tech. When that day comes, graphics performance based on hardware will be a thing of the past. With voxels, we could run 3 crysis's simultaneously on a modern gpu like the mid range 460. That is, If crysis was built ground up using voxels as the core means to 3d topolgy.
Robeedle 1 year ago
Calm down, it's not like Carmack is a rocket scientist or something.
Oh wait, he is a rocket scientist. Never mind.
fdsfjsdfjjl 1 year ago 100
@fdsfjsdfjjl LOL :)
88Cortex 9 months ago
I am Sony fan but its interesting how he called it out the way it ended up being so far.
Globox822 1 year ago
Carmack is really smart, he's a good programmer, he keeps his projects in line, he does aerospace out of the blue just cause he wants to... and on top of that he seems like a nice guy.
starsiegeplayer 1 year ago
This interviewer is... inefficient.
Carmack smash!!
metabog 1 year ago 9
he just wont stop fucking talking
theagemon5 1 year ago
john carmack has no life douchebag and a piece of shit
ihyottha 1 year ago
@ihyottha if it wasen't for him do you know were gaming would be right now?
myco578 1 year ago
@myco578 Kids have no respect for their elders, and Carmack is our Elder God of gaming. Pay him no mind, he probably thinks Halo invented FPS.
FeanorBR 1 year ago
@ihyottha if it wasnt for him and romero u wouldnt have any games
wayneakrid 1 year ago
@wayneakrid i have played many but his games are piece of shit
ihyottha 1 year ago
@ihyottha well doom made it possible for everything so between that and quake id say ur wrong and u prob think gaylo or call of no skill r good games
wayneakrid 1 year ago
damn that chicks got a hellava ass!!
nckey42 1 year ago
@nckey42
Thought you were just spammin' at first, but damn if you ain't right! Hips and erthang!
saxdawg00 1 year ago
He shares the same birthday as Dimebag)
PanterAmetal100 1 year ago
John Carmack is easily the smartest man in the world.
Chigokai1080 1 year ago 3
The only vidya man I respect more than John is Gabe.
MykeMetyll 1 year ago
1 -He is a genious.
2 - Everyhing he said was true, its like he could look into the future.
3 - If i was MSFT or Sony I would finance his Armadilo Projects just to design next generation consola Hardware.
Double2Seven 1 year ago
Jeff is idiot, jumping in while guy speaks, shut the fuck up idiot face!
Globox822 1 year ago
fuck it, i use a pc, which he prefers, coding for consoles are a pain compared to pc, but the console is easier to get used to
kornholioa 1 year ago
@kornholioa
consoles are just like pc's these days
Capeau 1 year ago
Who else thinks listening to Carmack is soothing?
jayjjj3 1 year ago 6
even though he is a little fag he is right ps3 is harder to create games on but it pays off if you put time and work into it.
loompf 1 year ago
@loompf "even though he is a little fag"- you're probably completely retarded or 13 years old.
milkygear 1 year ago
@milkygear why am i retarded or 13? i am also a small game developer for pc. not anything big like ps3 or xbox or huge pc titles like crysis. but i have a small company.
loompf 1 year ago
It would be cool to listen to if fucking jeoff keily or whatever the fuck dident keep interupting him,
davefan16 1 year ago
why do i find john carmack extremely interesting to listen to ?
jespero93 1 year ago
@jespero93
cuz he is :] thats the highligh of quakecon 2h nonstop carmack :)
paparapuu 1 year ago
@jespero93 He's so normal and nerdy yet he seems to be able to explain things in simple terms that everyone can relax and listen to and understand.
His description of the PS3 CPU compared to the 360 CPU was spot on, understandable by most people and shows how much of a nerd he is.
But he's so cool at the same time.
I would like to shake his hand some day.
xilefian 1 year ago
@xilefian
Probably because he works on his own stuff so has his own terminologies on the techniques. Which would then already based on layman.
He's so easy to understand, i do wonder if he does his own documentation.
Ibushi 1 year ago
I am so proud of myself for being able to understand everything John Carmack was saying. Its sad I know.
Ashitaka255 1 year ago
@Ashitaka255 Most people can understand this, it's the way he says it, it like, educates us better than school.
Probably because it's his passion.
xilefian 1 year ago
I dont think theres a huge diff between ps3 and 360. It would of been useless for the ps3 to be way more powerful then the 360 since developers are definitely realizing that multiplatform is the logic way to go for them.
IamAlwaysRight 1 year ago
@IamAlwaysRight ehh, you'll still get your game that's on one platform... kinda like god of war, uncharted, heavy rain... actually, the list continues highly. we'll also be getting twisted metal, which makes me feel pity for 360 users... but i still smile.
but i do know what you mean, VALVe is even going to Apple computers, so the next Portal will be on just about every system possible....... just not the wii. but wii has many exclusives anyway, great games too. plus nintendo revolutionizes =D
macfreak18 1 year ago
Now this man is a genius.
IamAlwaysRight 1 year ago
Would be nice if the host had refrained from cutting John off. He asked the question and just wanted 2 word answers.
strafer 1 year ago
He's not human. Cheers John for all the work you put into making games what they are today. Respect.
vntr2006 1 year ago
CARMACK IS GOD
Ultizer 1 year ago
Host should have just said "stop talking nerdy and give me a damn answer!!!" haha... man this video is oooooold.
sestrensaz 1 year ago
PC gaming 4 life
Dragonball4eva 1 year ago 3
John Carmack builds Probes and Rockets for Nasa for fun, FOR FUN.
Space Age Technology is what John Carmack does as a fucking Hobby.
We're lucky the man is more interested in Games, than modern medicine or engineering.
LgndryThndr 1 year ago 6
the moderator - stupid noob on caffeine
john carmack - cg nerd
LevitskiSRGE 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
PS3 = Sega saturn
Xbox 360 = playstation 1
I decided to post this comment again because alot of people failed to realise the meaning of it and downvoted it like crap, i hope you do your homework and listen to this video well so you can understand my comment this time...
Ponnybit 1 year ago
PS3 is the best.
legorocks3 1 year ago
that's hilarious, the guy starts acting all shifty when john heads into the tech jargon, I think sitting next to carmack would be intimidating, I honestly think the I.Q of that man would be insane. Bow to your god, 99% of the games you play have technology in them that was created by that man right there
dchalf10 2 years ago 73
@dchalf10 Oh hell, that guys IQ, like you said, must be insane! Just look at the stuff that came out of id. Cod4 uses their engine for one, plus many others. Should be interesting to see what the future holds as far as new titles from those guys...
Mosfet510 1 year ago 3
The source engine is derived from the quake engine, I did a bit of searching around and literally like half the game engines around have some form of john carmack stamp on them.
Don't care so much for Rage, but Doom 4 should be amazing, fingers crossed for DX11 etc
dchalf10 1 year ago 2
@dchalf10 Some people are scared of finding out their IQ. I'm afraid of finding out John Carmack's.
metabog 1 year ago 2
@dchalf10 Guy was trying to act a douche. He didnt even realise himself.
stopthrm 1 year ago
@dchalf10 Well spoken mate :)
turb030031993 1 year ago
1. STOP interrupting John Carmack, he is a god, do not interrupt a god.
2. Yeah well we never even came within seven miles of the Dreamcast's true preformance. And how many developers ened up using all of the original Xbox's power? You could ALWAYS say that it could be pushed farther, more cleverly, smarter etc. but there are games that look better on 360, and the games define the console. THERFORE, NOT a huge jump in preformance.
Offspringfan64 2 years ago 61
@Offspringfan64 I guess it comes down to how tight the code is. With gigs of ram to play around with and not megs, you get a lot of lazy ass coders that cut too many corners, and a less efficient final product. (Not refering to these guys at all)
Mosfet510 1 year ago
Oh, that's right...there were like two developers who actually let us see what the original Xbox could do, one of which was ID with Doom 3.
Offspringfan64 1 year ago
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maiki60fps 1 year ago
@Offspringfan64 he kept interrupting him because the host is saying "everyone watching this show has no clue what the hell he's talking about..." he's speaking very technically which flies over the heads of dumb viewers
Yakworld 1 year ago
@Yakworld That goes without saying. But many of the individuals who are watching this, and who were back when it was still fresh had already heard all of the pop arguments on this topic. It's time for a pro to step in and tell us the cold, hard, confusing as fuck specs, facts and opinions.
Offspringfan64 1 year ago
@Offspringfan64 did you play god of war 3? can you? how about metal gear solid 4? that was in 200fucking8 and it has INTENSE graphics/gameplay/story like GOW3.
why do we look for games that have good graphics anyway? just because it has graphics, doesn't always mean it's fun! hell i can CONSTANTLY play the first super mario bros game! even though I CONSTANTLY beat it. nintendo and playstation have more of the unique games too, for their own systems, not all games are about war like the 360
macfreak18 1 year ago
@Offspringfan64 no man is God but Geoff is annoying as fuck, just shut up and lethim speak
Globox822 1 year ago
Yeah, I know, it's just a term I use to describe people who do extraordinary things with their lives. While some people wither away on their couches, others are out there conquering the world.
Offspringfan64 1 year ago
@Offspringfan64 now you are overexaggerating a bit bro. He is just brilliant programer nothing more. He didn't cure cancer or something like that
Globox822 1 year ago
Yeah, he is just a brilliant programmer who helped shape the world of video games as we know it today. That qualifies for something in my book
Offspringfan64 1 year ago
We are not seen yet PS3 true power...
Slippar247 2 years ago
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Learn to speak English you fucking nigger.
divinityzoo 2 years ago
nigger?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! what a joke!! ;D;D;D;D;D ;D ;D
Slippar247 2 years ago
@Slippar247 unfortunately the PS3 has a very powerful CPU with a three year old GPU design. The GPU is maxed out on that poor thing.
And yes, Carmack truly is the father of modern video games. Almost every modern game engine started off as the Quake Engine.
T2DMrBungle 1 year ago
@T2DMrBungle
MAXED OUT? are you a fucking retard?, DEVS JUST NOW are beginning to understand how to use the PS3 idiot.
Xbox 360 IS DONE FOR, nothing else came out that will look better then GEARS
on that console, ITS OVER nothing will look better then Gears, while on PS3 you got devs outdoing each other, Killzone 2 got outdone by UNCHARTED 2, which then got outdone by GOW3.
what does that tell you?
Joeki11a 1 year ago
@Joeki11a The GPU in a PS3 is based on an Nvidia 7800, which is a FOUR YEAR OLD DESIGN. You wanna call me stupid again?
The GPU in your quaint little PS3 has 20 shader processors - the GPU in my modern computer has 1600 stream processors (modern version of shaders).
Devs are just beginning to figure it out? You're hilarious. Go read something.
T2DMrBungle 1 year ago
@T2DMrBungle
You're a fool, UNCHARTED 2/GOW3/KILLZONE 3/HEAVY RAIN/GT5 all TOP graphic in this gen of consoles, if 4 year old chips can do that and 360s chip CAN'T then clearly and older design>>>360's design.
Joeki11a 1 year ago
@Joeki11a I don't like the 360 either. Compare your PS3 playing Bad Company 2 to a DX11 PC. No contest. Both consoles are outdated.
T2DMrBungle 1 year ago
@Joeki11a oh hey, you forgot a fact and another game. Metal Gear Solid 4 (200FREAKING8 MAN!!!)
and killzone 3 is in 3D which is basically a PWN to the 360 users HAHA
buuuuut... it'll be expensive =(
save up??? =D
macfreak18 1 year ago
@macfreak18 The Xbox 360 has the same 3D capabilities as the PS3, Microsoft has stated that unlike Sony (who sells TVs) they have no incentive to push it right now.
God of War was a game full of clever programming graphical gimmiks (like pre-rendered in game engine cinematics and fake shadowing) nothing amazing.
Gears has a retarded story, I only play online.
Heavy rain was originally planned on the Xbox as well, if FFXIII was PS3 exclusive people would say Xbox wasn't capable of that too.
Offspringfan64 1 year ago
@macfreak18 Most users of 360 and Wii will gang up against those words.
xilefian 1 year ago
@xilefian what words? i left 3 comments, 2 of them including positive things for wii... i just forgot to include the 3DS in my last comment.
I own a PS3 and Wii, so I can only see how 360 users would gang up against those words... whatever words you were talkin about... cuz i seriously have no clue.
macfreak18 1 year ago
@T2DMrBungle What started off Quake besides Source (Half-Life that is)? None actually. As matter of fact, most front line 3d games are built on Unreal Engine these days which has nothing in common with Quake engine.
alex9044 1 year ago
@alex9044 the IW Tech engine, or the engine behind the entire Call of Duty series, started off its life as the Quake Engine. Combine that with Source and you have at least half of the great FPS games of this decade.
Also, Quake, Doom, Soldier of Fortune II, Medal of Honor: AA, Jedi Knight (several Star Wars and Star Trek games, actually), Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, Prey, Quake Wars. It seems like just about all FPS games can be traced back to Carmack or Sweeney.
T2DMrBungle 1 year ago
@T2DMrBungle
the source engine started it's life off the quake engine as well.. or the goldsrc engine used for half-life 1 which was the predecessor of the source engine.
cakestalker 11 months ago
annoying intreview... i just cant relax when hes always gettin interrupted -_-
NGT2O6 2 years ago 2
At least PS3 has variety in games, all 360 has is nothing but shooters as for as exclusives are concerened, apart from the odd different game here and there. I wouldnt care less if 360 has the better graphics inside it, so did SNES, but it couldnt run Sonic as the CPU was crap compared to sega's machine. get some more original games like PS3 has and I will start playing the 360, otherwise ill just play 360 games on PC, which xbots seem to forget about owners of a PS3.
Draken4426 2 years ago
@Draken4426
i love both x360 and ps3, but man there is no way ps3 have more variety than x360
you say x360 have nothing but shooters?
well guess what, most AAA+ ps3 exclusive games are shooters...
Lidve1337 2 years ago
Carmmack is a GOD. Whatever he says... it is.
sauloalverne 2 years ago 5