Virtually all Americans look back on these camps as an embarrassment to our reputation as a "free" country. The US has already issued a sincere apology to the world and to all Japanese-American families for what happened and the US has gone to great lengths to financially compensate remaining families of the internment camps. Of course, the camps were no where near the horrible Nazi death camps of WWII, it was a violation of freedoms to intern them without trial based on their country of origin
The next time you brag about how many rights you have in this country just remember this and know you have none. The gov't can take them away any time they want for any reason. We just lost a lot more with the Patriot Act. We have nothing but temporary privileges, and we're losing those every day. The Nazis lost WW2 and fascism won, US fascism. I hate this naive, stupid, imperialist country.
It seems that some here would deny the U.S. ( white people ) the right to protect themselves. Japan conquered a quarter of the world in a few months without
any serious loss. History shows it was a aggressor nation at the time and that they had espionage agents all over the world. Just a handful of Australian coast watchers hurt the Japanese Navy bad. Were we to let this happen in tcalif.? japan had been placing agents in the U.S. since 1918. After what they did in China no fear ??
Well at least the Nazis made loud and clear they were evil from day one, Americans will always defend their wrongs and even call that freedom or liberty. There is nothing to be proud of, ya know that?
I found interesting the happy "getting things done" music that played with the buses being loaded and caravans heading out to the "open, untamed land, full of opportunity". Yeah right! It was open for a reason.
It's sad, and sometime despicable, what actions are taken in reactionary fear, the same happened in it's own way after 9/11. Everyone needs to fight it and fight for rational actions to take instead.
I heard this story but it was told with Jews and in Germany. They needed to register and take to live in seperate commnunities, leaving everything behind, at least the last part of the concentration camps didnt happen
I'm sure they also loved to get over 10,000 women and children raped after the US occupation. Definitely they loved to accept your mafia style ball gag conditions of never having a military again to defend themselves, which leads us to the atrocity of the US abusing Japan as giant aircraft carrier and enduring murder, theft and rape to this day.
@xxxdieselyyy2 - Most historians believe the U.S. won the battle of midway by luck. If we had lost
our aircraft carriers there would have been nothing to stop a invasion of our west coast. Hawaii could have easily been bypassed cut off. AS it went down the japanese lost their aircraft carriers we by passed Rabual
and Truk. A editorial in the Chicago Tribune suggested abandoning the west coast to the Japanese and
making a stand at the Rocky Mountains. You are working with hindsight.
Well... touché, you got me there. I honestly thought you were a stupid american. As for the muslims, I would go as far as to enter into an unholy communion with Britain if it serves to expell the mother fuckers out of Europe once and for all. As a frenchman, I think that says it all, right?
@theCuno100 Btw: you are wrong, I am not Mexican and I would "cheerfully" join Mexico's fight if it is against Americans. So you might have bigger issues than what you think.
Even by 1942, most people's intelligence would have been offended by this clip, but not Americans. They actually swallowed all this crap "cheerfully" and yet they wonder, why the rest of the world believes they're stupid. Lord!
@Franc28 - How does drafting 10 million men , separating them from their families, cramming thousands at a time into the hold of a slow moving troop ship and sending them out across the Pacific ocean that was infested with Japanese submarines measure against your basic compassion. Does your compassion only apply
@am220uss Do you even know what happend to them, Father arested and taken from their homes with out notice and thrown away, familys forced to move in incarceration camps where the livelyhood and religion was yanked away, they counld pray to their god. They stayed in hours cages for months on end. they had there rights taken away read the 5th and 6th amadments and do some research on Japanese incaceration camps it was wrong on the U.S. part
@TheLostSoulaod -There were two seperate operations operations, internment and relocation. Internment was run by the dept of justice and selected japanese nationals were arressted. Usually the adult head of the family was taken for suspicious activities and the family could accompany him to the internment center if they chose but could not leave if they did . This was in accordance with Geneva conventions and int. law. regarding treatment of enemy aliens . Nobody was arrested in relacation.
@Franc28 - How does drafting 10 million men , separating them from their families, cramming thousands at a time into the hold of a slow moving troop ship and sending them out across the Pacific ocean that was infested with Japanese submarines measure against your basic compassion. Does your compassion only apply to japanese . WWII was tough on everybody. Japan had spy rings all over the world read "Shadows dancing"by Tony Mathews. It would only would have taken one spy and one radio.
@theCuno100 - I am glad to see there are those of us who have not forgotten what the japanese did. saying anything bad about people of color (japanese included) is often seen as racist by many today in this politically correct country. However the truth is the truth. The adult Japanese interned were citizens of Japan and enemy aliens . Their children were american citizens by birth but also citizens of Japan by Japanese law. Japanese living in the Philippines assisted the Japanese army.
The Japanese diplomatic code was broken by the U.S. in 1940 before the war began while the japanese embassy and consulates were still open. The Embassy and consulates gave Japanese spies diplomatic cover and transmitted their spy reports back to Tokyo. Magic was the code name for information gathered from our reading of allot of decoded radio traffic not just from the diplomatic codes. Read David Lowman's book " MAGIC " Magic showed the existance of large japanese spy rings in Calif.
@hollaXboi - ethnicity = race ? Are the people of Norway the same race as the English . Are the
people of Germany the same race as the Danes. By your definition there would be hundreds of Races.
Race is not the same as national identity. There are only 5 or 6 actual races although the term has been misused allot , it makes it easier to play the race card and win a arguement. Race - A distinct variety
of the human speices. Now there are many mixed race people not then.
The internment and relocation were not based on race . These actions were
based on country of origin. We were helping the Chinese and they are of the same race as the Japanese. FDR's order 9066 says nothing about race and applied to Germans also. There will always be hate especially in time of war but it did not follow racial lines it followed nationalistic lines. Madam Chaing
kia skeck came to the U.S. to raise money for China's war effort and was voted
@freedomofthought - Yes ,the japanese are a extremely racist nation. They believed that their emperor
was a god and they were his children. All others were inferior . They killed between 15 and 16 million Chinese. They ate many of them. The military ran their schools and taught this. I was in school here when the war began. We were taught that all were equal. Only a extremely naive child would think the japanese totally gave up this idea when they came here.
@am220uss Wow, you sure do rely A LOT on 1940s propaganda as opposed to actual, historical facts. The Japanese did believe that their Emperor was descended from the Sun Goddess. And Christians believe that their descendents brought water from rocks and raised the dead...your point? You make it much more acceptable for the Japanese to believe outrageous things because they were forced to by the military. Americans have no such excuse.
@freedomofthought - you say that they believed their emperor was a descnded from the sun god I say they believed him to be a god. I had a japanese college professor staying at my home and he agrees with me.
The Emperor was a deity to the Japanese. The point is they believed the chinese to be inferior and killed them by the millions. Except for some small scattered incedents there was no mass murder . Where Japanese mass murder was condoned
@am220uss As far as atrocities, the Japanese people were bombarded with propaganda telling them that Allied troops would rape, kill or enslave them if they were captured. The Japanese people in general were terrified of Allied troops. The troops didn't alleviate those fears when they annihilated entire villages and took home Japanese skulls as souvenirs, not to mention using lone Japanese as hunting sport. The Allies were just as atrocious if not worse than the Japanese. Watch the Fog of War.
@freedomofthought - You are making this up, when and where did the U.S. troops annihilate
entire Japanese villages and take home their skulls??? Date and place please. You should be ashamed of yourself. I am aware that a few skulls were sent home by individuals. Those that did so were acting on their own in viloation of orders and it was soon stoppped. There is no proof that thoes few skulls were not from
those already dead. The Japanese killed by the millions under orders.
Have you even taken any history classes, am220uss? "Magic" isn't even the code name for the cypher the Japanese used! It's the codename for the decoding mechanism the US used! The codename for the cypher the Japanese used was "purple," and it was a diplomatic code that revealed nothing. Nothing about espionage in Hawaii or on the mainland.
@freedomofthought - You are confused , magic was the code name for information gleaned from
intercepted and decoded Japanese radio traffic. The fact that we had broken many of their codes was
top secret You are very naive if you believe there was no espionage
and that all 46 thousand Japanese citizens in the U.S. gave up all loyalty to Japan on dec. 7 1941. Prior to Dec 7 espionage was carried out trough Japanese consulates and diplomatic codes.
@am220uss I'm not confused, I'm a historian who studies these things. When I see blatant inaccuracies, like the ones you are trying to push onto the public here, I feel the need to correct them. We used "magic" to break the diplomatic code "purple" long before the war started. The US was listening in on Japanese diplomatic transmissions from the early 1930s. Those transmissions did not discuss military planning
Acording to Japanese law ,all children born to Japanese parents , even in the U.S., were Japanese citizens. So unless they went to the Japanese consulate and renounced Japanese citizenship they had dual citizenship . We could not leave these children without a means of support If we took the parents we had to take the children. Magic intercepts showed the existance of large espionage rings . Leaving 46000 enemy aliens to freely roam our west coast was not a option.
Ezio Horie wrote the " A japanese intelligence officer on the Imperial general
Staff " and clearly states in his book that the internment broke up Japan's intelligence gathering network on the U. S. west coast. He was a japanese and in a position to know. Internment of enemy aliens was carried out by all nations at war , including Canada, Mexico, U.K. and Japan. A quick look at the battle of the solomon islands will show how just a few Australians coastwatchers hurt Japan.
World War Two was starting as soon as the Treaty of Versailles was signed. The idea that a bunch of people are on youtube arguing over who started what over half a century ago amazes me. Take a history class. The history of modern war class I took covered all of this. The internment was a bad move. Hawaii never interned their Japanese. Not only did the Japanese in Hawaii fight for the US, it built strong ethnic relations there. Alienating Japanese on the coast will be costly for years to come.
@freedomofthought - The internment and relocation of Japanese aliens living in our west coast war zone
prevented espionage and perhaps sabatoge that would have certainly been carried out by some of the 46000 japanese enemy enemy aliens living on our west coast. These were citizens of Japan who were living in the U.S. ,most were here illeagly. "Magic" radio intercepts proved the existance of large organized spy rings. Their children were dual citizens only because they were born here.
@freedomofthought - hawaii was a territory at the time ,not a state. Marshall law could be declared there making large scale internment unecessary. There was some internment in Hawaii but no relocation.
The internment was a smart move as far as far as I am concerned, I was on one of those slow troop ships that left our west coast. One japanese with a radio could have radioed our departure to a waiting sub.
@freedomofthought You are incorrect. Honouliuli is Hawaii's hidden internment camp. Some people that I know had their family (back in that time period) sent there. My great-great grandfather who was 2nd Generation to Hawaii, his wife, and kids, were sent to Jerome and after that, Tule Lake. Also, the reason why not every Japanese person in Hawaii was not sent to internment camps are due to the fact that there are to many in Hawaii and it would have not helped businesses.
@freedomofthought - That is a real stretch ,"The treaty of Versailles caused Japan to attack Pearl Harbor in 1941 and China in 1937. Japan was on the winning side in World War One , The U.S. and China did not take part in the treaty of Versailles. Your mind sees only the history of Europe and calls it world history. Axis expansion policies caused WWII. You are very naive if you think Japan had no spies on our west coast. Japan had spies all over he world . Tony Matthews " Shadows Dancing "
This was wrong.... Many of those people were citizens, and had the rights that are supposedly guarenteed to us taken away from them. We have to be mindful, it could happen today to us.
that is you guys fault! Japanese made the world war 2.
don't beg sympathy here anymore. never pitiful.
too many innocent people was dead by japan!
don't you feel any sorry to the world?
if you feel it, don't distort true history by textbook..and say true history like Germeny. that is for making a good relationship with neighbor country..
Japan's gorverment sent Korean young girls(12~39 years old)to japanese soldiers for rape. they had to been raped more than 10 times every day
@71021015 The Japanese started World War 2? Just a tip: you might want to take your own advice and read a friggin' textbook yourself there, buddy. World War 2 began September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.
"true history like Germeny. that is for making a good relationship with neighbor country.."
I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but I wouldn't consider the mass murder of 12 million people to be a "good relationship with their neighboring countries".
@am220uss No shit. I never said Japan and China *werent'* involved in the second World War. However, all sources regarding the beginning of the war place the date it begun firmly as September 1st, 1939. Japan was not formally part of the Axis until September 27, 1940. The Manchurian invasion wasn't considered part of WWII. Not going to deny that the Japanese actions in Manchuria were absolutely, monstrously barbaric. And the allies screwed up royally in handling it.
@Navikthered- I was not speaking of the Japanese in vasion of manchuria which happened years earlier
but of the japanese invasion of China in 1937. It is typical of westerners to see everything centered around Europe and therefore see WWII as beginning
with the invasion of Poland but the fighting started long before in Asia.
@71021015 Japan didn't start WWII, Germany did, and Japan took advantage of the turmoil within Europe and allied itself with Germany and other fascist nations. Yes, the rape of Nanking and the atrocities dealt by the Japanese to the Chinese, Americans, and their own people was heinous. However, this does NOT justify what America did to loyal Japanese-American citizens, nor what Germany did to the Jews. Every nation has its own blame to carry, don't forget that.
@pstm1188 - to compare the mass murder of the Nazi and Japanese military to the internment / relocation
is ridiculous. Interment was insignificant . Internment and relocation was carried out by all countries at war. It was required and allowed by the Geneva conventions. Required to protect enemy aliens who found themselves in the adversary country when war broke out. There is no blame where the U.S. is concerned we did what we had to do to protect our troops from the damage espionage can do.
@am220uss I am not comparing the two, and I don't appreciate the insinuation. My grandmother survived the concentration camps of Nazi Germany, and if they had found out that she was Jewish, she most likely wouldn't have. All I said was that they internment camps, and the treatment of the people there was not justified. If you think the interns were happy there and lived in good conditions, you are wrong. Read this account, 'Farewell to Manzanar' by a little girl who went through it.
@pstm1188 - I read Farewell to Manzanar long ago. If you read it you must know that the authors father kept
the family in the camp long after they were told they could leave and did not leave until they were forced to go.
If the camp was so horrible why did he do this? Also ,I would be very careful about taking this book to seriously as the author was a child at the time and children are not good at getting things correct.
@am220uss Just searching and researching the conditions the Japanese were in further proves that the camps were nothing close to lovely. And one reason, personally, on why someone would want to stay back is that they've gotten used to it and the terrible outcomes of the war upon them. There was plenty of racism, during and after the war. My great-grandfather lived in Jerome and Tule Lake (And my aunts and great-grandmother), I doubt they'd tell you it was wonderful living in the camps.
@andagii - Compared to today's living conditions the camps were not good, however this was 1942
and the camps were equal or better to rural living conditions at the time. Remember we were coming out of a depression. Many were living in WPA camps just a few years before , in fact some of these same camps were used by the War Relocation Authority. I grew up in a apartment building where there was but one bathroom per floor that all shared. IWe also had a rural house that had a out house.
@am220uss - Here we go again - the same old propoganda for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and dessert. Did anyone ever tell you that you need to expand your knowledge by reading other things that might not necessarily agree with your point of view? I had when I did research for my papers. I didn't like everything I read, but I found out more about the truth than I ever had. Thats part of the lesson. You are what we call buta head.
There will always be those who argue that some people should give up their civil liberties to ensure the security of everyone else - and those who argue that removing those rights are not justified in the name of the 'safety' of greater numbers and will not secure it anyways. But this film does explain the "but we had to do it" rational that many at that time held - including the internees who espoused the same. It's enlightening, but yes, propaganda.
@am220uss - BTW, I do have a ration book! :) But there were no ration books in the prison camps. They grew their own food! There have been documentaries out there on the cable History Channel if you bothered to look, if you are too lazy to read books. So the Japanese Americans starved as well. Birth rates went down during the war because most of the men were at war. Senility-mental? You were not even in the war, I'll bet. Just trying to a be a wanna be authority on bad propoganda info.
@ckajita - you seem to be making things up now, sadly. You can easily google a photo of Grace Kawata-Maruyama's Ration Book issued at Minidoka at the WSU library. Ration books were still issued in the camps, despite the fact that the camps became self-sustaining quickly. @am220uss may be posting incorrect data, but that doesn't mean you should. Weakens any other arguments.
@TheRealGeekMommy - Please point out any incorrect data. Any facts I post I can source. I think
I have given sources on most of the facts I posted. BTW, the camps had the highest birth rate and lowest death rate of any community in the country. If they were starving this could not have happened. Political correctness
has led to revised history in even government publications.
@am220uss - Political correctness is not your good point or an honest point for you. Read the "Exile of a Race" by Anne Reeploeg Fisher. She has some interesting statistics that blow your "facts" (if you want to lie) out of the water. There were NOT GIVEN RATION BOOKS! LOL!!! Those were only for free citizens! Not the ones in the prison camps! They were not eating well at all! What drugs are you on? LOL!!!! You are a joke!
@TheRealGeekMommy - Actually, I haven't been posting incorrect data - I have it from actual relatives and prison camp survivors that have told me there were no ration books in the prison camps! My father this this is all a cruel joke! And he was there! My aunt thinks this is a joke as well. They had to grow their own food to add to what little they were given in the buckets of potatoes they were given to eat. So, who's pulling who's leg?
@am220uss -You don't appear to read anything other than the propoganda you support. You don't research thoroughly and are quite prejudiced in the area of research - unless it fuilfills your dreams and distorted sense of integrity. And TV as a resource is reputable in education - as a resource such as National Geographic, PBS, etc. You are quite uneducated and choose to be. There are testimonials out there from real people that were victims. Shame on you!
@am220uss - The WRA pictures state Prison Camp on them. You don't research thoroughly do you? So far, you haven't. I've already stated sources and you have chosen to ignore them. I've already stated sources and you have chosen to ignore them. Most of what you state is plain Old WW Propoganda, as stated in the title of this Youtube video! If you choose not to look at my resources, you choose to be a fool! Which is kind of funny, actually. This is what you've been doing all along. LOL!!!!
COLUMN ONEFred Korematsu, a young man who refused to be hauled away during World War II because of his heritage, took his case to the U.S. Supreme Court. Now, six years after his death, a statewide holiday honors his courage.
January 31, 2011|By Maria L. La Ganga, Los Angeles Times
@ckajita do a google search, type in " black dragon society" in the list of sites you will find two in the first 4 the clearly show it was in Japan. (It was in china also) They promoted japanese nationalism and were well organized in california. You are making a fool of yourself ,you do not have enough knowledge to discuss this . Why not take advantage of a opportunity to learn what really happened.
@am220uss - I do, but you haven't yet read any material contrary to what you think. Take some time out of your stael mentality and breathe a little fresh air, might do you some good. THough, you might learn something and widen your perspectives. I doubt you even have the mentality for this. Now, this is true in your case and now you can consider this an insult. No problem, you are what you are. Pity.
@am220uss - Make your own racist and prejudiced Youtuibe site, so you can support all your prejudiced, old embassing anti-Japanese and anti-Japanese Amercian propoganda on it.
@ckajita I choose to comment here in order to deprive you of a forum for your unchallanged rants, lies, false history name calling and throwing of insults.
@am220uss - WOW! LOL!!! You really should get your own site though, so we can all target you and your twisted facts, lies, and disturbed comments, including support of racial and Anti-Japanese, Anti-Japanese American rants! lLOL! You are very entertaining I must say. Hitler would be proud of you, I am an American citizen (my family has been here longer than yours, I'll bet) and I support even racist Anti-American citizens such as yourself -voicing your opinion. Even if it differs from my own.
@am220uss - LOL!!! You are talking about yourself!! False histories like the bad videos that even we all know are "war propaganda" made to brainwash the brainless. And your insults are too funny! Typical. The other guy that copied and pasted my comments was right about you.
@am220uss - I think this is why no one cares about what you say or takes you very seriously. You are entertaining though. Like a B movie. Some fact and fiction for you - you can't tell the difference,
@am220uss - You are prejudiced very strongly against Japanese period. Regardless of anyone being Japanese or Japanese Americans. You haven't even read with any open mind to the testimonies here or suggested readings. Heaven forbid if you have to ever apologize - you would slice your throat and blame the Japs. LOL!
The use of WRA labeled Prison Camps for the Japanese AMericans was NOT justified. That was the excuse they gave then - but since then - it has been stated time and time again that it was a mistake and a violation of American civil rights! President Regan and even then Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger admits this. So, NO it isn't justified now. That was the paranoia and contagious prejudice they used in that day.
@ckajita - If these were, as you say, prison camps, how did 36000 get released and relocated? Do you really think everybody was so racist back then. Japanese on the East Coast were not relocated the order only included our west coast military zone where it was thought the Japanese army might invade. Japanese living in the American territory of the Philippines assisted the Japanese army when they invaded a few days after Pearl Harbor . The japanese openly hated Japanese americans loyal to U.S.
@Hikikomori013 - europeans were interned, Germans , some hungarians and Italians were
interned at Crystal river right next to the Japanese,
In 1942 more europeans were interned than Japanese but there was no relocation on the East coast as most of the the German surface fleet had been destroyed by the British navy before the U.S. entered the war ,and there was no threat of invasion there. I have posted previously about the the 2 seperate operations, Internment relocation.
COLUMN ONEFred Korematsu, a young man who refused to be hauled away during World War II because of his heritage, took his case to the U.S. Supreme Court. Now, six years after his death, a statewide holiday honors his courage.
January 31, 2011|By Maria L. La Ganga, Los Angeles Times
The internment was justified, was approved by and required by international
law and by the Geneva conventions. All countries at war did the same
Espinoage could have cost us tens of thousands of men, and it only takes a few.
Japanse consulates passed out radios to Japanese americans just before the war. FBI raid in Gilory calif caught kakuichi Morita with 3 contraband radios
He was leader of Japanese secret society. Taken from San Francisco News .
@am220uss - Naw. That was the excuse they gave then - but since then - it has been stated time and time again that it was a mistake and a violation of American civil rights! President Regan and even then Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger admits this. So, NO it isn't justified now. That was the paranoia and contagious prejudice they used in that day.
Camp population peaked at 107 thousand in the winter of 1943 and declined from there, many camps were closed before the end of the war. Some refused to leave. Remember we had just come out of a depression. Food was free and many had jobs running the camps. They got free health care and their children did not have to work, got free education and free tuition to colleges in the east. Overcrowding was a thing of the past, why leave and go back to the slum by the fish cannery.
@am220uss - BS - Your lies and prejudiced facts are so transparent. The food was horrid, and the jobs were for pennies. Anyone that was in the camps can tell you this! Tule Lake had horrendous conditions!
Your statements are unjustified, very inaccurate and as a member of that prison camp --- my father said the conditions were horrible, which is why there were pockets of violence. And these were Americans!!!! Jobs - - BS!!! Slave pay to work on farms with soldiers with machine guns.
@ckajita- The the japanese interned and relocate did not have their property taken by the U.S. government.
Just as our milloins of drafted military men lost their property due to inability to make payments so did the Japanese. Also many japanese believed a rumor that they would be sent back to Japan and sold everything cheap. The government moved and stored their household goods for the duration of the war no property was taken. There are pictures right here on you tube. Do some research.
Tule lake was a camp where japanese openly hostile to the U.S. were sent.
They were transfered there from other camps . They often attacked Japanese they thought loyal to the U.S. and this faction was dangerous especially. The black dragon society members who were pleged to do the emperors will.
@am220uss "Japanese openly hostile to US" -- BIG BS! They imprisoned all Japanese and Japanese Americams. Hostile or NOT! Who wouldn't be hostile if you were called JAP and "enemy alien" -- (Your terminology) - even if you were American! I would be. And those very same Japanese Americans fought in the war! So much for your facts. Black Dragon is CHinese -- not Japanese. So your facts are wrong.
@ckajita - Most japanese americans ( nisei ) were loyal to the U.S. but there was no way to seperate out
those loyal to japan. The Japanese community was split . Just a few Austrailian coast watchers hurt the Japanese navy tremendously so even one japanese spy could have cost the lives of thousands of U.S.sailors. The japanese american citizens league helped in the relocation and thought it was best to protect the Japanese from angry Americans. This was required by the geneva conventions.
As Japanese were detemined to no longer be a threat or cleared they were released from internment camps and placed in relocation camps. They could
leave the relocation camps which had little or no security in the way of fences or guards. The WRA was actively engaged in getting the japanese out of the relocation camps an resettled away from the west coast. Over 30 thousand
were resettled. Some would not leave for many reasons 20 thousand wanted to bs sent to Japan. They had food, jobs. etc
As Japanese were detemined to no longer be a threat or cleared they were released from internment camps and placed in relocation camps. They could
leave the relocation camps which had little or no security in the way of fences or guards. The WRA was actively engaged in getting the japanese out of the relocation camps an resettled away from the west coast. Over 30 thousand
were resettled. Some would not leave for many reasons 20 thousand wanted to bs sent to Japan. They had Jobs etc.
The War Relocation Authority (WRA) ran the two types of camps , assembly centers which were temporary in the early months of the relocation and relocation camps which were meant for housing for the duration of the war and closed at different times as people were moved out in 1944 thru 1945 and I or 2 were still open in 1946 because some would not leave. The relocation was not started until several months after Preal Harbor. It was a response to the threat of invasion of our west coast.
Many making comments here should be sure they know their facts before
just accepting maggiefick's claim that this film is just propaganda. First , there
were 3 types of camps, with different conditions in different camps. Two different agencies ran these camps. Some were labled as internment camps and were run by the dept. of justice, They contained those the FBI thought dangerous. Those interned were allowed to take their families with them. The were not put on trial in our courts.
The U.S. is a soverign nation and certainly has the right to set aside any civil right
in time of war. Eleven million were drafted which is a far greater violation of civil rights than the internment and relocation. The vast majority of thoes drafted were white males. Thoes drafted did not get to take their families with them, their lives were put at risk, hundreds of thousands died, the living conditions were much worse. food was rationed for all , WWII was bad for everybody.
"lntelligent and fair minded researcher" is another characteristic you don't display, so why bring it up? You haven't used it so far, your comments stating Anti-American PBS and damning "Liberals". I doubt you really research and have the education credentials you state. You choose and distort details - so narrow.
Ezio Horie wrote in his book, A intelligence officer on the imperial genral staff
that the internment and relocation destroyed Japans ability to gather intelligence
from their espionage rings in the U.S. Horie was a japanese national in a position to know at the time. This demonstrates the necessity of the internment and reloation .Only a idiot would sugest we let 46000 enemy aliens roam our west coast war zone. If we had lost that war you would have no rights and allot
am220uss - Just think, the stuff in the propoganda you've been reading could been cut, rearranged, lied, "slanted" also. So, your daming of movies and video testimonials and educational movies is invalid excuse. And only an excuse NOT to watch them. So, truth will not prevail when it comes to your stereotyping and profiling. At least my testimonials are from actual vets and prisoners of the prison camps.
@am220uss all this crap I'm reading here - you weren't in the war. I served. You are traitorous and not what i fought for in wwII. You sound like a spoiled brat. Stop spouting about the mouth with nonsense and twisting facts and lies like a rattler. And you ckajta - stop wasting with this idiot. You are stupid if you talk to this idiot.
@am220uss You really DON'T do your research!!!! There is documenation from the WRA, that states those were prison camps! WRA termed them "PRISON CAMPS"! BTW, when there are armed men with machine guns in the towers, and at at the gates, patrolling the fences --- looks like a prison camp to me! You surely are a joke. These are from actual documentation from movies (so you don't movies), and pictures (WRA), written documentation and testimonials from people actually in the camps.
@rickUSSCalifornia -ckajta - Stop with talking to this idiot. He is know nothing. I know your facts are true. But you can't change stripes off the cat. Too far gone. Don't you have better things to do? All the truth is here - he is nuts. What is your problem?
@rickUSSCalifornia - I was trying to put some light on facts, that have been distorted by this guy. He profiles everyone into groups, which he tries to justifiy. Why are you copying and pasting my comments as your own?
Any intelligent fair minded researcher knows that people often call things by wrong names. Marines are often called soldiers. A pesonel carrier with tracks is often called a tank. Were thoes towers with machine guns at internment camps or relocation camps. The japanese american museum is in posession of a series of letters from a girl in a camp written to a former teacher, she states she has been in the camp for weeks and has yet to see a soldier. (letters to miss Breed) Provide source
@am220uss - You are Anti-American and a traitor of the American Constitution and Civil Rights, by stating that the views of your so called liberals and PBS is "Anti-American". Ha! You are Anti-American" by putting down our civil rights. You are the traitor. Your views are a contradiction in itself. Looks like you have the slant! Better clean up.
@am220uss - WOW you are paranoid and hate so called "Liberals". Another nice way to sloppily think and put people in categories. You are poster child for Anti-American Racial and Anti-American Freedom of speech and rights. LOL! And you probably made the propganda we've been laughing about!!!! That is why you are soooo touchy.
@am220uss you seem very much to like official sources - so I will refer you to "Confinement and Ethnicity: An Overview of World War II Japanese American Relocation Sites" available in its entirety on the National Park Services website or purchasable at Amazon or even found at your library ISBN-10: 0295981563 as I am sure you will find many of its well documented sources interesting. In conjunction with those facts, yes, this is a piece of wartime propaganda.
am220uss - You must read the Star Mag Rag in the supermarkets and take them at fact. LOL! Now, from colleges I have attended in writing and literature, you must investigate and determine what is fact from fiction. Even the items that don't support your view. You might just learn something. Just because they printed it doesn't mean its true --- specially from the propganda during the war. I can sell you some good property on Mars! And its cheap! Wow, you don't really reaserch thoroughly.
@am220uss - you are as wrong as can be. Videos, movies, and pictures are an acceptable mode of research as testimonials!!! You don't know what colleges are doing do you? Well take your foot out of your mouth and make another apology. This one to the long list of your debt.
I'd rather accept testimony from a real person than the skewed visons you have. Get off the drugs or if you need them - take them. LOL!
@am220uss - You really DON'T do your research!!!! There is documenation from the WRA, that states those were prison camps! WRA termed them "PRISON CAMPS"! BTW, when there are armed men with machine guns in the towers, and at at the gates, patrolling the fences --- looks like a prison camp to me! You surely are a joke. These are from actual documentation from movies (so you don't movies), and pictures (WRA), written documentation and testimonials from people actually in the camps.
Your definition is is not so factful. And is very indicative to the hysteria and paranoia that was being cultivated at the time.
Your "facts" are limiited and colored with opinions. You haven't read or watched any of the documented video of the statements of Japanese Amercans or any other persons, than I would trust the documentation you have brought up. You have distorted much here. I understand why no one cares to comment on trash you espouse.
I stated that the definition of a enemy alien was a citizen of a country that declared war on the U.S. You might say that by todays standards it would be discrimination for the israeli to intern only people who were citizens of Iran. yes or No ? Would you feel the same if Iran had pulled a sneak attack and declared war on israel. Do you think it would be ok then.
@am220uss - I would NOT support actions that would segregate American Citizens based on ethnic backround, country of origin, reiligious, etc. That is against American commitment of Civil rights. The Japanese Americans (even the veteran Japanese Amercan veterans of both WWI and WWII and the Vietnam War) came and stated this when nuts wanted to imprison the Iranians (citizens as well) here in this country - even the Iranian students here. I supported their actions as well as the JACL.
@am220uss - You would have probably supported the "Anti-Iranian", Anti-Iraqi" "Anti-Afghani", and "Anti-Muslim" and peobably have done so already, based on your logic. It is all here. And you would have disregarded any and all violations of civil rights, stating "enemy aliens". American citizens are NOT aliens. Yes, you lump everyone together --- a racist (as it has been presented by you), and since you cannot, or have no ability to differentiate, or choose NOT to differntiate- is so sad.
@am220uss - It is used as documentation - but you don't understand and will not accept anything other than so called facts that support your views. This is evendence in itself.
More clarification, anthropologists tell us that the people who inhabit Japan came from what is now china. This provides the link to make them members of what used to be called the oriental race. DNA has proven this. The claim of japanese to be a seperate race is just a way for the japanese to claim the Chinese are inferior. japanese are nothing but a nationalstic ethinic group.
There seem to be a few things that need clarification here. everybody who is in the U.S. is not a U.S. citizen, then or now. Those here who are not citizens are aliens. If their country of origin declares war on the U.S. they become enemy aliens. The Japanese children got U.S. citizensip by birth right. Most of the adult aliens never applied, they as the considered Japan their home and only came here to make money Source, Bill Hasikawa "Neisi"
@ckajita - The children were taken along with 46,000 adult enemy aliens to avoid breaking up families and leaving them without a means of support. The japanese american citizens league wanted it that way. It was a humanitarian gesture that now is used to trash the U.S. As far as your concerned no good deed should go unpunished
You might want to try another source of information besides some of the on-sided sources. Real research best practice requests that all sources - even the ones that you may not side with --- will give you more facets of the truth.
@ckajita - opinion is not fact. many people will slant their opinion for many reasons. For example they may see themselves as tied to one ethnic group or another or may be anti american. Facts do not lie , if the records from the war relocation authority say there were 46,000 enemy aliens (even their names are provided) That is a statment of fact that is documented. Televison may state fact but unless you have uncut tape copy and the producer has a estaplished record for accuracy, BS .
@am220uss - Your opinionated facts are very skewed they are crooked as we can see.
So your crooked facts are not so factful. You haven't done any reading outside propgoganda you choose to read. The items are outdated and put by the propoganda of the time. You choose to be ignorant and choose to wear your blinders to any other facts - that is really sorriful for yousrelf. Yes you are BS.
Bullshit. What indicated that there were 50,000 enemy aliens in this country anyway?
My father served and so did my grandfather. So where it he enemy aliens anyway??? They are citizens! So did my father-in-law, so did 6 of my Italian-American in-laws. They claim it was very unfair. At least they served and can talk! So who are the enemy aliens? Are claiming the Japanese Americans? National Japanese? Or are you lumping them all in the pile like the other dude here? Yes, it is profiling-racism.
The actions of the U.S. govt. were in accordance with international law and required by the geneva conventions for the protection of enemy aliens. The camps were inspected by delagations from neutral countries including Spain
and others friendly to the Axis, no serious complaints were made. Thoes caught spying were not put on trial in the U.S. justice system but simply returned to Japan or held until the war ended. Japan did not sign the Geneva conventions and put POW's on trial .
rational or irrational response to the bombing of pearl harbor? xenophobia coupled w nationalism or protection of a land? or a mixture of both?
HouseofVespucci 1 week ago
Virtually all Americans look back on these camps as an embarrassment to our reputation as a "free" country. The US has already issued a sincere apology to the world and to all Japanese-American families for what happened and the US has gone to great lengths to financially compensate remaining families of the internment camps. Of course, the camps were no where near the horrible Nazi death camps of WWII, it was a violation of freedoms to intern them without trial based on their country of origin
fruitikay 3 weeks ago 2
u.s.a. = evil empire
theclicker1 1 month ago 2
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The next time you brag about how many rights you have in this country just remember this and know you have none. The gov't can take them away any time they want for any reason. We just lost a lot more with the Patriot Act. We have nothing but temporary privileges, and we're losing those every day. The Nazis lost WW2 and fascism won, US fascism. I hate this naive, stupid, imperialist country.
rustyschackleford100 1 month ago
@13Xanadu Read about the Rape of Nanking and what happened when the Japanese invaded
China in 1937 . Anybody who was not in fear of a Japanese invasion would have to be crazy.
There were 5000 members of the Black Dragon Soiety sworn to do the emperors will in Calif..
It would take only a few to seriously hurt our war effort and kill thousands by sinking just one
troop ship.
am220uss 1 month ago
It seems that some here would deny the U.S. ( white people ) the right to protect themselves. Japan conquered a quarter of the world in a few months without
any serious loss. History shows it was a aggressor nation at the time and that they had espionage agents all over the world. Just a handful of Australian coast watchers hurt the Japanese Navy bad. Were we to let this happen in tcalif.? japan had been placing agents in the U.S. since 1918. After what they did in China no fear ??
am220uss 1 month ago
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am220uss 1 month ago
6:42 Advanced Americanization on top of that?
Why not advanced Nazification?
Well at least the Nazis made loud and clear they were evil from day one, Americans will always defend their wrongs and even call that freedom or liberty. There is nothing to be proud of, ya know that?
deutschbuch30 1 month ago
white people are evil
thinklikethe1percent 2 months ago
this properganda programme is same as what Nazi did to Jews.
tonylidcombe 2 months ago
I found interesting the happy "getting things done" music that played with the buses being loaded and caravans heading out to the "open, untamed land, full of opportunity". Yeah right! It was open for a reason.
It's sad, and sometime despicable, what actions are taken in reactionary fear, the same happened in it's own way after 9/11. Everyone needs to fight it and fight for rational actions to take instead.
ResidentGood11 2 months ago
I heard this story but it was told with Jews and in Germany. They needed to register and take to live in seperate commnunities, leaving everything behind, at least the last part of the concentration camps didnt happen
striwensko 3 months ago
USA = Fascist military empire
I'd rather die than bow down to these disgusting pigs!
megatroll 4 months ago
@megatroll - I believe it was the Japanese who made everybody bow down to them. I doubt you could find
a case where the Japanese were forced to bow to their guards as american POWs were forced to do to their
japanese guards.
am220uss 3 months ago
@am220uss
Oh, so you want to go down that road?
Let's see... you "brave American heroes"
I'm sure the Japanese enjoyed getting nuked.
I'm sure they also loved to get over 10,000 women and children raped after the US occupation. Definitely they loved to accept your mafia style ball gag conditions of never having a military again to defend themselves, which leads us to the atrocity of the US abusing Japan as giant aircraft carrier and enduring murder, theft and rape to this day.
USA = Nazis
megatroll 3 months ago
@megatroll - What ever the japanese got they brought on themselves and deserved .
am220uss 3 months ago
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@am220uss
"Deserved" ???
Just fuck you, you disgusting Nazi child!
American pigs! Set foot on my land, and I'll show you what YOU deserve!
megatroll 3 months ago
Fact- The Japanese Army invaded China in 1937 , Indo China, the Philippines,
Malasia, Manchuria and Korea earlier in the century.
am220uss 5 months ago
Japanese Army invading USA? COME ON, like it was ever a possibility!
xxxdieselyyy2 5 months ago
@xxxdieselyyy2 - Most historians believe the U.S. won the battle of midway by luck. If we had lost
our aircraft carriers there would have been nothing to stop a invasion of our west coast. Hawaii could have easily been bypassed cut off. AS it went down the japanese lost their aircraft carriers we by passed Rabual
and Truk. A editorial in the Chicago Tribune suggested abandoning the west coast to the Japanese and
making a stand at the Rocky Mountains. You are working with hindsight.
am220uss 5 months ago
Well... touché, you got me there. I honestly thought you were a stupid american. As for the muslims, I would go as far as to enter into an unholy communion with Britain if it serves to expell the mother fuckers out of Europe once and for all. As a frenchman, I think that says it all, right?
mcmlxvi 5 months ago
@theCuno100 Btw: you are wrong, I am not Mexican and I would "cheerfully" join Mexico's fight if it is against Americans. So you might have bigger issues than what you think.
mcmlxvi 5 months ago
Even by 1942, most people's intelligence would have been offended by this clip, but not Americans. They actually swallowed all this crap "cheerfully" and yet they wonder, why the rest of the world believes they're stupid. Lord!
mcmlxvi 5 months ago
@mcmlxvi i think it was a very smart move and believe that it prevented allot of damage to our war effort
that surely would have come from espionage and sabotage. We could not let 46,000 citizens of Japan
freely roam our west coast war zone., especially when we knew of their existing spy rings. Read Ezio Horie's
book- A Japanese Imtelligence Officer on the Imperial General Staff Japanese living in the Philippines
helped the invading Japanese army . In 1942 people more common sense.
am220uss 5 months ago
@am220uss Your way of thinking is crap and goes against basic compassion and human decency.
Franc28 5 months ago
@Franc28 - How does drafting 10 million men , separating them from their families, cramming thousands at a time into the hold of a slow moving troop ship and sending them out across the Pacific ocean that was infested with Japanese submarines measure against your basic compassion. Does your compassion only apply
to japanese . WWII was tough on everybody.
am220uss 5 months ago
@am220uss Do you even know what happend to them, Father arested and taken from their homes with out notice and thrown away, familys forced to move in incarceration camps where the livelyhood and religion was yanked away, they counld pray to their god. They stayed in hours cages for months on end. they had there rights taken away read the 5th and 6th amadments and do some research on Japanese incaceration camps it was wrong on the U.S. part
TheLostSoulaod 4 months ago
@TheLostSoulaod true but not as much of an exaggeration as you said it. They weren't forced to give up on their religion.
tehatemachine 4 months ago
@TheLostSoulaod -There were two seperate operations operations, internment and relocation. Internment was run by the dept of justice and selected japanese nationals were arressted. Usually the adult head of the family was taken for suspicious activities and the family could accompany him to the internment center if they chose but could not leave if they did . This was in accordance with Geneva conventions and int. law. regarding treatment of enemy aliens . Nobody was arrested in relacation.
am220uss 4 months ago
@Franc28 - How does drafting 10 million men , separating them from their families, cramming thousands at a time into the hold of a slow moving troop ship and sending them out across the Pacific ocean that was infested with Japanese submarines measure against your basic compassion. Does your compassion only apply to japanese . WWII was tough on everybody. Japan had spy rings all over the world read "Shadows dancing"by Tony Mathews. It would only would have taken one spy and one radio.
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mcmlxvi 5 months ago
@theCuno100 - I am glad to see there are those of us who have not forgotten what the japanese did. saying anything bad about people of color (japanese included) is often seen as racist by many today in this politically correct country. However the truth is the truth. The adult Japanese interned were citizens of Japan and enemy aliens . Their children were american citizens by birth but also citizens of Japan by Japanese law. Japanese living in the Philippines assisted the Japanese army.
am220uss 5 months ago
The Japanese diplomatic code was broken by the U.S. in 1940 before the war began while the japanese embassy and consulates were still open. The Embassy and consulates gave Japanese spies diplomatic cover and transmitted their spy reports back to Tokyo. Magic was the code name for information gathered from our reading of allot of decoded radio traffic not just from the diplomatic codes. Read David Lowman's book " MAGIC " Magic showed the existance of large japanese spy rings in Calif.
am220uss 7 months ago
the basis of the internment is ethnicity = racist
hollaXboi 8 months ago
@hollaXboi - ethnicity = race ? Are the people of Norway the same race as the English . Are the
people of Germany the same race as the Danes. By your definition there would be hundreds of Races.
Race is not the same as national identity. There are only 5 or 6 actual races although the term has been misused allot , it makes it easier to play the race card and win a arguement. Race - A distinct variety
of the human speices. Now there are many mixed race people not then.
am220uss 7 months ago
The internment and relocation were not based on race . These actions were
based on country of origin. We were helping the Chinese and they are of the same race as the Japanese. FDR's order 9066 says nothing about race and applied to Germans also. There will always be hate especially in time of war but it did not follow racial lines it followed nationalistic lines. Madam Chaing
kia skeck came to the U.S. to raise money for China's war effort and was voted
the most popular woman in US
am220uss 8 months ago
The only thing that found a "conspiracy" of Japanese-Americans during WW2 was racism, and that's the only thing that will find it now.
freedomofthought 8 months ago
@freedomofthought - Yes ,the japanese are a extremely racist nation. They believed that their emperor
was a god and they were his children. All others were inferior . They killed between 15 and 16 million Chinese. They ate many of them. The military ran their schools and taught this. I was in school here when the war began. We were taught that all were equal. Only a extremely naive child would think the japanese totally gave up this idea when they came here.
am220uss 8 months ago
@am220uss Wow, you sure do rely A LOT on 1940s propaganda as opposed to actual, historical facts. The Japanese did believe that their Emperor was descended from the Sun Goddess. And Christians believe that their descendents brought water from rocks and raised the dead...your point? You make it much more acceptable for the Japanese to believe outrageous things because they were forced to by the military. Americans have no such excuse.
freedomofthought 8 months ago
@freedomofthought - you say that they believed their emperor was a descnded from the sun god I say they believed him to be a god. I had a japanese college professor staying at my home and he agrees with me.
The Emperor was a deity to the Japanese. The point is they believed the chinese to be inferior and killed them by the millions. Except for some small scattered incedents there was no mass murder . Where Japanese mass murder was condoned
by high command.
am220uss 7 months ago
@am220uss As far as atrocities, the Japanese people were bombarded with propaganda telling them that Allied troops would rape, kill or enslave them if they were captured. The Japanese people in general were terrified of Allied troops. The troops didn't alleviate those fears when they annihilated entire villages and took home Japanese skulls as souvenirs, not to mention using lone Japanese as hunting sport. The Allies were just as atrocious if not worse than the Japanese. Watch the Fog of War.
freedomofthought 8 months ago
@freedomofthought - You are making this up, when and where did the U.S. troops annihilate
entire Japanese villages and take home their skulls??? Date and place please. You should be ashamed of yourself. I am aware that a few skulls were sent home by individuals. Those that did so were acting on their own in viloation of orders and it was soon stoppped. There is no proof that thoes few skulls were not from
those already dead. The Japanese killed by the millions under orders.
already
am220uss 7 months ago
Have you even taken any history classes, am220uss? "Magic" isn't even the code name for the cypher the Japanese used! It's the codename for the decoding mechanism the US used! The codename for the cypher the Japanese used was "purple," and it was a diplomatic code that revealed nothing. Nothing about espionage in Hawaii or on the mainland.
freedomofthought 8 months ago
@freedomofthought - You are confused , magic was the code name for information gleaned from
intercepted and decoded Japanese radio traffic. The fact that we had broken many of their codes was
top secret You are very naive if you believe there was no espionage
and that all 46 thousand Japanese citizens in the U.S. gave up all loyalty to Japan on dec. 7 1941. Prior to Dec 7 espionage was carried out trough Japanese consulates and diplomatic codes.
were used.
am220uss 8 months ago
@am220uss I'm not confused, I'm a historian who studies these things. When I see blatant inaccuracies, like the ones you are trying to push onto the public here, I feel the need to correct them. We used "magic" to break the diplomatic code "purple" long before the war started. The US was listening in on Japanese diplomatic transmissions from the early 1930s. Those transmissions did not discuss military planning
freedomofthought 8 months ago
@am220uss . It wasn't until 1942 that the US partially broke JN-25, the Japanese military cypher, that helped them intercept the Japanese at Midway.
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freedomofthought 8 months ago
Rights
lol thats a good one
anonfromebaumsworld 8 months ago
Fun fact, Sulu was there
Tacom4ster 8 months ago
weirner
highlife231 8 months ago
Acording to Japanese law ,all children born to Japanese parents , even in the U.S., were Japanese citizens. So unless they went to the Japanese consulate and renounced Japanese citizenship they had dual citizenship . We could not leave these children without a means of support If we took the parents we had to take the children. Magic intercepts showed the existance of large espionage rings . Leaving 46000 enemy aliens to freely roam our west coast was not a option.
am220uss 8 months ago
I f you are interested, try researching Japanese espionage not internment or
relocation. At crystal river I believe Japanese and Germans were in camps that were right next to each other.
am220uss 8 months ago
Ezio Horie wrote the " A japanese intelligence officer on the Imperial general
Staff " and clearly states in his book that the internment broke up Japan's intelligence gathering network on the U. S. west coast. He was a japanese and in a position to know. Internment of enemy aliens was carried out by all nations at war , including Canada, Mexico, U.K. and Japan. A quick look at the battle of the solomon islands will show how just a few Australians coastwatchers hurt Japan.
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am220uss 9 months ago
World War Two was starting as soon as the Treaty of Versailles was signed. The idea that a bunch of people are on youtube arguing over who started what over half a century ago amazes me. Take a history class. The history of modern war class I took covered all of this. The internment was a bad move. Hawaii never interned their Japanese. Not only did the Japanese in Hawaii fight for the US, it built strong ethnic relations there. Alienating Japanese on the coast will be costly for years to come.
freedomofthought 9 months ago
@freedomofthought - The internment and relocation of Japanese aliens living in our west coast war zone
prevented espionage and perhaps sabatoge that would have certainly been carried out by some of the 46000 japanese enemy enemy aliens living on our west coast. These were citizens of Japan who were living in the U.S. ,most were here illeagly. "Magic" radio intercepts proved the existance of large organized spy rings. Their children were dual citizens only because they were born here.
am220uss 9 months ago
@freedomofthought - hawaii was a territory at the time ,not a state. Marshall law could be declared there making large scale internment unecessary. There was some internment in Hawaii but no relocation.
The internment was a smart move as far as far as I am concerned, I was on one of those slow troop ships that left our west coast. One japanese with a radio could have radioed our departure to a waiting sub.
am220uss 9 months ago
@freedomofthought You are incorrect. Honouliuli is Hawaii's hidden internment camp. Some people that I know had their family (back in that time period) sent there. My great-great grandfather who was 2nd Generation to Hawaii, his wife, and kids, were sent to Jerome and after that, Tule Lake. Also, the reason why not every Japanese person in Hawaii was not sent to internment camps are due to the fact that there are to many in Hawaii and it would have not helped businesses.
andagii 8 months ago
@freedomofthought - That is a real stretch ,"The treaty of Versailles caused Japan to attack Pearl Harbor in 1941 and China in 1937. Japan was on the winning side in World War One , The U.S. and China did not take part in the treaty of Versailles. Your mind sees only the history of Europe and calls it world history. Axis expansion policies caused WWII. You are very naive if you think Japan had no spies on our west coast. Japan had spies all over he world . Tony Matthews " Shadows Dancing "
am220uss 8 months ago
This was wrong.... Many of those people were citizens, and had the rights that are supposedly guarenteed to us taken away from them. We have to be mindful, it could happen today to us.
TheCow500 9 months ago
@TheCow500 - Those U.S. citizens were children of 46000 enemy aliens . They had dual citizenship
and were taken along to avoid breaking up families and leaving them without a means of support..
No good deed goes unpunished . Children have no rights even today , they go with their parents.
am220uss 9 months ago
lol @ the cheerful music as the US takes away their homes, jobs, property etc.
stevematylewicz 9 months ago
To Japanese~
that is you guys fault! Japanese made the world war 2.
don't beg sympathy here anymore. never pitiful.
too many innocent people was dead by japan!
don't you feel any sorry to the world?
if you feel it, don't distort true history by textbook..and say true history like Germeny. that is for making a good relationship with neighbor country..
Japan's gorverment sent Korean young girls(12~39 years old)to japanese soldiers for rape. they had to been raped more than 10 times every day
71021015 9 months ago
@71021015 Dude most of them were US CITIZENS, who had nothing to do with those native Japanese.
STRIKEFORCE2221 9 months ago
@71021015 The Japanese started World War 2? Just a tip: you might want to take your own advice and read a friggin' textbook yourself there, buddy. World War 2 began September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.
"true history like Germeny. that is for making a good relationship with neighbor country.."
I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but I wouldn't consider the mass murder of 12 million people to be a "good relationship with their neighboring countries".
Navikthered 9 months ago
@Navikthered - The Japanese started WWII when they invaded China in 1937.
China and Japan were both major participants in what is known as WWII and the
first to start fighting . The German invasion of Poland was only in Europe
am220uss 9 months ago
@am220uss No shit. I never said Japan and China *werent'* involved in the second World War. However, all sources regarding the beginning of the war place the date it begun firmly as September 1st, 1939. Japan was not formally part of the Axis until September 27, 1940. The Manchurian invasion wasn't considered part of WWII. Not going to deny that the Japanese actions in Manchuria were absolutely, monstrously barbaric. And the allies screwed up royally in handling it.
Navikthered 9 months ago
@Navikthered- I was not speaking of the Japanese in vasion of manchuria which happened years earlier
but of the japanese invasion of China in 1937. It is typical of westerners to see everything centered around Europe and therefore see WWII as beginning
with the invasion of Poland but the fighting started long before in Asia.
am220uss 9 months ago
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71021015 9 months ago
@Navikthered "Canadian Questions and Japan s Response" serch it on U-tube... And feel ashamed that Japanese keep doing ' fucking Yascuni"
71021015 9 months ago
@71021015 Unless this is some new meaning to the phrase "good neighbors" I am not aware of.
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pstm1188 9 months ago
@71021015 Japan didn't start WWII, Germany did, and Japan took advantage of the turmoil within Europe and allied itself with Germany and other fascist nations. Yes, the rape of Nanking and the atrocities dealt by the Japanese to the Chinese, Americans, and their own people was heinous. However, this does NOT justify what America did to loyal Japanese-American citizens, nor what Germany did to the Jews. Every nation has its own blame to carry, don't forget that.
pstm1188 9 months ago
@pstm1188 No Germany started only in Europe. Japan started war in Asia/Pacific.
STRIKEFORCE2221 9 months ago
@pstm1188 - to compare the mass murder of the Nazi and Japanese military to the internment / relocation
is ridiculous. Interment was insignificant . Internment and relocation was carried out by all countries at war. It was required and allowed by the Geneva conventions. Required to protect enemy aliens who found themselves in the adversary country when war broke out. There is no blame where the U.S. is concerned we did what we had to do to protect our troops from the damage espionage can do.
am220uss 8 months ago
@am220uss I am not comparing the two, and I don't appreciate the insinuation. My grandmother survived the concentration camps of Nazi Germany, and if they had found out that she was Jewish, she most likely wouldn't have. All I said was that they internment camps, and the treatment of the people there was not justified. If you think the interns were happy there and lived in good conditions, you are wrong. Read this account, 'Farewell to Manzanar' by a little girl who went through it.
pstm1188 8 months ago
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luverlygir 8 months ago
@pstm1188 - I read Farewell to Manzanar long ago. If you read it you must know that the authors father kept
the family in the camp long after they were told they could leave and did not leave until they were forced to go.
If the camp was so horrible why did he do this? Also ,I would be very careful about taking this book to seriously as the author was a child at the time and children are not good at getting things correct.
am220uss 8 months ago
@am220uss Just searching and researching the conditions the Japanese were in further proves that the camps were nothing close to lovely. And one reason, personally, on why someone would want to stay back is that they've gotten used to it and the terrible outcomes of the war upon them. There was plenty of racism, during and after the war. My great-grandfather lived in Jerome and Tule Lake (And my aunts and great-grandmother), I doubt they'd tell you it was wonderful living in the camps.
andagii 8 months ago
@andagii - Compared to today's living conditions the camps were not good, however this was 1942
and the camps were equal or better to rural living conditions at the time. Remember we were coming out of a depression. Many were living in WPA camps just a few years before , in fact some of these same camps were used by the War Relocation Authority. I grew up in a apartment building where there was but one bathroom per floor that all shared. IWe also had a rural house that had a out house.
am220uss 8 months ago
@am220uss - Here we go again - the same old propoganda for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and dessert. Did anyone ever tell you that you need to expand your knowledge by reading other things that might not necessarily agree with your point of view? I had when I did research for my papers. I didn't like everything I read, but I found out more about the truth than I ever had. Thats part of the lesson. You are what we call buta head.
ckajita 9 months ago
@ckajita - This flm was not titled U.S. govt. Propaganda by the maker but by maggie flick the person
or persons who posted it on You Tube. Therefore the lable is just the opinion of a unknown person.
The film was made by the U.S. Govt. a respected organization. Who is Maggie anyway ? Perhaps a
pro-japanese organization or the granddaughter of Tokyo Rose.
am220uss 9 months ago
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Navikthered 9 months ago
There will always be those who argue that some people should give up their civil liberties to ensure the security of everyone else - and those who argue that removing those rights are not justified in the name of the 'safety' of greater numbers and will not secure it anyways. But this film does explain the "but we had to do it" rational that many at that time held - including the internees who espoused the same. It's enlightening, but yes, propaganda.
TheRealGeekMommy 10 months ago
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Yes, as the title says: Japanese American Internment (U.S. Govt Propaganda)
(U.S. Govt Propaganda)
The WRA called it Prison Camps according their own documentation and photgraphs!
ckajita 10 months ago
ckjita - You, claimed to have a ration book . I asked you to describe it , You never
responded. How about it ? I can describe mine. BYW, Ron and Arnold are
republicans, and you believe them ?
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - BTW, I do have a ration book! :) But there were no ration books in the prison camps. They grew their own food! There have been documentaries out there on the cable History Channel if you bothered to look, if you are too lazy to read books. So the Japanese Americans starved as well. Birth rates went down during the war because most of the men were at war. Senility-mental? You were not even in the war, I'll bet. Just trying to a be a wanna be authority on bad propoganda info.
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita - you seem to be making things up now, sadly. You can easily google a photo of Grace Kawata-Maruyama's Ration Book issued at Minidoka at the WSU library. Ration books were still issued in the camps, despite the fact that the camps became self-sustaining quickly. @am220uss may be posting incorrect data, but that doesn't mean you should. Weakens any other arguments.
TheRealGeekMommy 10 months ago
@TheRealGeekMommy - Please point out any incorrect data. Any facts I post I can source. I think
I have given sources on most of the facts I posted.
am220uss 9 months ago
@am220uss - yea, fictional stuff and not listening or reading anything else except the propganda stuff they put out then, to support the who debacle.
ckajita 9 months ago
@TheRealGeekMommy - Please point out any incorrect data. Any facts I post I can source. I think
I have given sources on most of the facts I posted. BTW, the camps had the highest birth rate and lowest death rate of any community in the country. If they were starving this could not have happened. Political correctness
has led to revised history in even government publications.
am220uss 9 months ago
@am220uss - Political correctness is not your good point or an honest point for you. Read the "Exile of a Race" by Anne Reeploeg Fisher. She has some interesting statistics that blow your "facts" (if you want to lie) out of the water. There were NOT GIVEN RATION BOOKS! LOL!!! Those were only for free citizens! Not the ones in the prison camps! They were not eating well at all! What drugs are you on? LOL!!!! You are a joke!
ckajita 9 months ago
@TheRealGeekMommy - Actually, I haven't been posting incorrect data - I have it from actual relatives and prison camp survivors that have told me there were no ration books in the prison camps! My father this this is all a cruel joke! And he was there! My aunt thinks this is a joke as well. They had to grow their own food to add to what little they were given in the buckets of potatoes they were given to eat. So, who's pulling who's leg?
ckajita 9 months ago
@ckajita - There were ration books in the camps. Those interned could not go from mess hall
to mess hall and eat all they wanted., but the kids did because nobody paid any attention to them.
they got fat. Tell me about your ration book or somebody might conclude you are a phony
am220uss 9 months ago
@ckajita - Here we go again , TV as a source. You are obiously a chld who grew up in front of a TV.
am220uss 9 months ago
@am220uss -You don't appear to read anything other than the propoganda you support. You don't research thoroughly and are quite prejudiced in the area of research - unless it fuilfills your dreams and distorted sense of integrity. And TV as a resource is reputable in education - as a resource such as National Geographic, PBS, etc. You are quite uneducated and choose to be. There are testimonials out there from real people that were victims. Shame on you!
ckajita 9 months ago
Community! Ha! That's a concentration camp my friends!
Slipkidbreeze 10 months ago
Yes, as the title says: Japanese American Internment (U.S. Govt Propaganda)
(U.S. Govt Propaganda)
The WRA called it Prison Camps according their own documentation and photgraphs!
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita - Please supply a source. I have read the records of the WRA, your claim that they
referred to them as prison camps is false. Yes , some american govt.officials refered to them as concentration
camps, however that was before that term became associated with Hitlers death camps. Researchers
do not use it unless they are anti- american. Please provide a source for what you post.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - The WRA pictures state Prison Camp on them. You don't research thoroughly do you? So far, you haven't. I've already stated sources and you have chosen to ignore them. I've already stated sources and you have chosen to ignore them. Most of what you state is plain Old WW Propoganda, as stated in the title of this Youtube video! If you choose not to look at my resources, you choose to be a fool! Which is kind of funny, actually. This is what you've been doing all along. LOL!!!!
ckajita 10 months ago
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COLUMN ONEFred Korematsu, a young man who refused to be hauled away during World War II because of his heritage, took his case to the U.S. Supreme Court. Now, six years after his death, a statewide holiday honors his courage.
January 31, 2011|By Maria L. La Ganga, Los Angeles Times
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita do a google search, type in " black dragon society" in the list of sites you will find two in the first 4 the clearly show it was in Japan. (It was in china also) They promoted japanese nationalism and were well organized in california. You are making a fool of yourself ,you do not have enough knowledge to discuss this . Why not take advantage of a opportunity to learn what really happened.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - I do, but you haven't yet read any material contrary to what you think. Take some time out of your stael mentality and breathe a little fresh air, might do you some good. THough, you might learn something and widen your perspectives. I doubt you even have the mentality for this. Now, this is true in your case and now you can consider this an insult. No problem, you are what you are. Pity.
ckajita 10 months ago
There were 7500 members of the Japanese Black Dragon society in California
There was also the dark ocean society or deep ocean society , depends on translation. Research it.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - And the White German Nazis are all over the place. Will you relinquish your membership to the Nazi's?
ckajita 10 months ago
@am220uss - Make your own racist and prejudiced Youtuibe site, so you can support all your prejudiced, old embassing anti-Japanese and anti-Japanese Amercian propoganda on it.
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita I choose to comment here in order to deprive you of a forum for your unchallanged rants, lies, false history name calling and throwing of insults.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - WOW! LOL!!! You really should get your own site though, so we can all target you and your twisted facts, lies, and disturbed comments, including support of racial and Anti-Japanese, Anti-Japanese American rants! lLOL! You are very entertaining I must say. Hitler would be proud of you, I am an American citizen (my family has been here longer than yours, I'll bet) and I support even racist Anti-American citizens such as yourself -voicing your opinion. Even if it differs from my own.
ckajita 10 months ago
@am220uss - LOL!!! You are talking about yourself!! False histories like the bad videos that even we all know are "war propaganda" made to brainwash the brainless. And your insults are too funny! Typical. The other guy that copied and pasted my comments was right about you.
ckajita 10 months ago
@am220uss - I think this is why no one cares about what you say or takes you very seriously. You are entertaining though. Like a B movie. Some fact and fiction for you - you can't tell the difference,
ckajita 10 months ago
@am220uss - You are prejudiced very strongly against Japanese period. Regardless of anyone being Japanese or Japanese Americans. You haven't even read with any open mind to the testimonies here or suggested readings. Heaven forbid if you have to ever apologize - you would slice your throat and blame the Japs. LOL!
ckajita 10 months ago
The use of WRA labeled Prison Camps for the Japanese AMericans was NOT justified. That was the excuse they gave then - but since then - it has been stated time and time again that it was a mistake and a violation of American civil rights! President Regan and even then Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger admits this. So, NO it isn't justified now. That was the paranoia and contagious prejudice they used in that day.
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita - If these were, as you say, prison camps, how did 36000 get released and relocated? Do you really think everybody was so racist back then. Japanese on the East Coast were not relocated the order only included our west coast military zone where it was thought the Japanese army might invade. Japanese living in the American territory of the Philippines assisted the Japanese army when they invaded a few days after Pearl Harbor . The japanese openly hated Japanese americans loyal to U.S.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss I can't find the information on the East Coast camps for people of German and Italian decent. Do you have any information on such a thing?
Hikikomori013 9 months ago
@Hikikomori013 - europeans were interned, Germans , some hungarians and Italians were
interned at Crystal river right next to the Japanese,
In 1942 more europeans were interned than Japanese but there was no relocation on the East coast as most of the the German surface fleet had been destroyed by the British navy before the U.S. entered the war ,and there was no threat of invasion there. I have posted previously about the the 2 seperate operations, Internment relocation.
am220uss 9 months ago
A civil rights hero gets his day
COLUMN ONEFred Korematsu, a young man who refused to be hauled away during World War II because of his heritage, took his case to the U.S. Supreme Court. Now, six years after his death, a statewide holiday honors his courage.
January 31, 2011|By Maria L. La Ganga, Los Angeles Times
ckajita 10 months ago
The internment was justified, was approved by and required by international
law and by the Geneva conventions. All countries at war did the same
Espinoage could have cost us tens of thousands of men, and it only takes a few.
Japanse consulates passed out radios to Japanese americans just before the war. FBI raid in Gilory calif caught kakuichi Morita with 3 contraband radios
He was leader of Japanese secret society. Taken from San Francisco News .
april 17 1942
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - Naw. That was the excuse they gave then - but since then - it has been stated time and time again that it was a mistake and a violation of American civil rights! President Regan and even then Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger admits this. So, NO it isn't justified now. That was the paranoia and contagious prejudice they used in that day.
ckajita 10 months ago
Camp population peaked at 107 thousand in the winter of 1943 and declined from there, many camps were closed before the end of the war. Some refused to leave. Remember we had just come out of a depression. Food was free and many had jobs running the camps. They got free health care and their children did not have to work, got free education and free tuition to colleges in the east. Overcrowding was a thing of the past, why leave and go back to the slum by the fish cannery.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - BS - Your lies and prejudiced facts are so transparent. The food was horrid, and the jobs were for pennies. Anyone that was in the camps can tell you this! Tule Lake had horrendous conditions!
Your statements are unjustified, very inaccurate and as a member of that prison camp --- my father said the conditions were horrible, which is why there were pockets of violence. And these were Americans!!!! Jobs - - BS!!! Slave pay to work on farms with soldiers with machine guns.
ckajita 10 months ago
@am220uss - BS! Their land and property was taken away from them - where would you go???
UIt wasn't a vacation sopt! LOL!!!! You are so delusional and YOU ARE NOT A MECCA OF TRUTH!
You have no idea what went on in the prison camps. If you reallly knew, you wouldn't spouting off all your garbage from the propoganda sheets. LOL!
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita- The the japanese interned and relocate did not have their property taken by the U.S. government.
Just as our milloins of drafted military men lost their property due to inability to make payments so did the Japanese. Also many japanese believed a rumor that they would be sent back to Japan and sold everything cheap. The government moved and stored their household goods for the duration of the war no property was taken. There are pictures right here on you tube. Do some research.
am220uss 10 months ago
Tule lake was a camp where japanese openly hostile to the U.S. were sent.
They were transfered there from other camps . They often attacked Japanese they thought loyal to the U.S. and this faction was dangerous especially. The black dragon society members who were pleged to do the emperors will.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss "Japanese openly hostile to US" -- BIG BS! They imprisoned all Japanese and Japanese Americams. Hostile or NOT! Who wouldn't be hostile if you were called JAP and "enemy alien" -- (Your terminology) - even if you were American! I would be. And those very same Japanese Americans fought in the war! So much for your facts. Black Dragon is CHinese -- not Japanese. So your facts are wrong.
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita - Most japanese americans ( nisei ) were loyal to the U.S. but there was no way to seperate out
those loyal to japan. The Japanese community was split . Just a few Austrailian coast watchers hurt the Japanese navy tremendously so even one japanese spy could have cost the lives of thousands of U.S.sailors. The japanese american citizens league helped in the relocation and thought it was best to protect the Japanese from angry Americans. This was required by the geneva conventions.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss You are missing a few marbles and were probably a cook if you were even in the military. Military wannabe.
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ckajita 10 months ago
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As Japanese were detemined to no longer be a threat or cleared they were released from internment camps and placed in relocation camps. They could
leave the relocation camps which had little or no security in the way of fences or guards. The WRA was actively engaged in getting the japanese out of the relocation camps an resettled away from the west coast. Over 30 thousand
were resettled. Some would not leave for many reasons 20 thousand wanted to bs sent to Japan. They had food, jobs. etc
am220uss 10 months ago
As Japanese were detemined to no longer be a threat or cleared they were released from internment camps and placed in relocation camps. They could
leave the relocation camps which had little or no security in the way of fences or guards. The WRA was actively engaged in getting the japanese out of the relocation camps an resettled away from the west coast. Over 30 thousand
were resettled. Some would not leave for many reasons 20 thousand wanted to bs sent to Japan. They had Jobs etc.
am220uss 10 months ago
The War Relocation Authority (WRA) ran the two types of camps , assembly centers which were temporary in the early months of the relocation and relocation camps which were meant for housing for the duration of the war and closed at different times as people were moved out in 1944 thru 1945 and I or 2 were still open in 1946 because some would not leave. The relocation was not started until several months after Preal Harbor. It was a response to the threat of invasion of our west coast.
am220uss 10 months ago
Many making comments here should be sure they know their facts before
just accepting maggiefick's claim that this film is just propaganda. First , there
were 3 types of camps, with different conditions in different camps. Two different agencies ran these camps. Some were labled as internment camps and were run by the dept. of justice, They contained those the FBI thought dangerous. Those interned were allowed to take their families with them. The were not put on trial in our courts.
am220uss 10 months ago
The U.S. is a soverign nation and certainly has the right to set aside any civil right
in time of war. Eleven million were drafted which is a far greater violation of civil rights than the internment and relocation. The vast majority of thoes drafted were white males. Thoes drafted did not get to take their families with them, their lives were put at risk, hundreds of thousands died, the living conditions were much worse. food was rationed for all , WWII was bad for everybody.
am220uss 10 months ago
Am not Japanese but that's just wrong
BIGTOPCHICAGO 10 months ago
"lntelligent and fair minded researcher" is another characteristic you don't display, so why bring it up? You haven't used it so far, your comments stating Anti-American PBS and damning "Liberals". I doubt you really research and have the education credentials you state. You choose and distort details - so narrow.
ckajita 10 months ago
Ezio Horie wrote in his book, A intelligence officer on the imperial genral staff
that the internment and relocation destroyed Japans ability to gather intelligence
from their espionage rings in the U.S. Horie was a japanese national in a position to know at the time. This demonstrates the necessity of the internment and reloation .Only a idiot would sugest we let 46000 enemy aliens roam our west coast war zone. If we had lost that war you would have no rights and allot
more dead GIs
am220uss 10 months ago
am220uss - Just think, the stuff in the propoganda you've been reading could been cut, rearranged, lied, "slanted" also. So, your daming of movies and video testimonials and educational movies is invalid excuse. And only an excuse NOT to watch them. So, truth will not prevail when it comes to your stereotyping and profiling. At least my testimonials are from actual vets and prisoners of the prison camps.
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita - you and your liberal traitor friends dismiss the subject documentation film as "U.S.
government propaganda" It is direct source and made by people who were there. I am saying the same
of your liberal anti-american BS from PBS. PBS is known for its anti-american slant , much of its
output is anti-american and surely edited to show the U.S. in a bad light. I have seen many camp testimonials
from Japanese who understood the necessity. There were fights in the camps with loyal
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss all this crap I'm reading here - you weren't in the war. I served. You are traitorous and not what i fought for in wwII. You sound like a spoiled brat. Stop spouting about the mouth with nonsense and twisting facts and lies like a rattler. And you ckajta - stop wasting with this idiot. You are stupid if you talk to this idiot.
rickUSSCalifornia 10 months ago
@rickUSSCalifornia - I was late getting there but I was in WW II and spent a year in Japan on occupation duty.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss You really DON'T do your research!!!! There is documenation from the WRA, that states those were prison camps! WRA termed them "PRISON CAMPS"! BTW, when there are armed men with machine guns in the towers, and at at the gates, patrolling the fences --- looks like a prison camp to me! You surely are a joke. These are from actual documentation from movies (so you don't movies), and pictures (WRA), written documentation and testimonials from people actually in the camps.
rickUSSCalifornia 10 months ago
@rickUSSCalifornia -ckajta - Stop with talking to this idiot. He is know nothing. I know your facts are true. But you can't change stripes off the cat. Too far gone. Don't you have better things to do? All the truth is here - he is nuts. What is your problem?
rickUSSCalifornia 10 months ago
@rickUSSCalifornia - I was trying to put some light on facts, that have been distorted by this guy. He profiles everyone into groups, which he tries to justifiy. Why are you copying and pasting my comments as your own?
ckajita 10 months ago
Any intelligent fair minded researcher knows that people often call things by wrong names. Marines are often called soldiers. A pesonel carrier with tracks is often called a tank. Were thoes towers with machine guns at internment camps or relocation camps. The japanese american museum is in posession of a series of letters from a girl in a camp written to a former teacher, she states she has been in the camp for weeks and has yet to see a soldier. (letters to miss Breed) Provide source
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - You are Anti-American and a traitor of the American Constitution and Civil Rights, by stating that the views of your so called liberals and PBS is "Anti-American". Ha! You are Anti-American" by putting down our civil rights. You are the traitor. Your views are a contradiction in itself. Looks like you have the slant! Better clean up.
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita - you and your liberal traitor friends dismiss the subject documentation film as "U.S.
government propaganda" It is direct source and made by people who were there. I am saying the same
of your liberal anti-american BS from PBS. PBS is known for its anti-american slant , much of its
output is anti-american and surely edited to show the U.S. in a bad light. I have seen many camp testimonials
from Japanese adults who understood the necessity.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - WOW you are paranoid and hate so called "Liberals". Another nice way to sloppily think and put people in categories. You are poster child for Anti-American Racial and Anti-American Freedom of speech and rights. LOL! And you probably made the propganda we've been laughing about!!!! That is why you are soooo touchy.
rickUSSCalifornia 10 months ago
@rickUSSCalifornia - Why are you copying and pasting my comments as your own?
ckajita 10 months ago
@am220uss you seem very much to like official sources - so I will refer you to "Confinement and Ethnicity: An Overview of World War II Japanese American Relocation Sites" available in its entirety on the National Park Services website or purchasable at Amazon or even found at your library ISBN-10: 0295981563 as I am sure you will find many of its well documented sources interesting. In conjunction with those facts, yes, this is a piece of wartime propaganda.
TheRealGeekMommy 10 months ago
am220uss - You must read the Star Mag Rag in the supermarkets and take them at fact. LOL! Now, from colleges I have attended in writing and literature, you must investigate and determine what is fact from fiction. Even the items that don't support your view. You might just learn something. Just because they printed it doesn't mean its true --- specially from the propganda during the war. I can sell you some good property on Mars! And its cheap! Wow, you don't really reaserch thoroughly.
ckajita 10 months ago
@am220uss - you are as wrong as can be. Videos, movies, and pictures are an acceptable mode of research as testimonials!!! You don't know what colleges are doing do you? Well take your foot out of your mouth and make another apology. This one to the long list of your debt.
I'd rather accept testimony from a real person than the skewed visons you have. Get off the drugs or if you need them - take them. LOL!
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita - I can assure you I have more college credits than you plus a degree, and was in the U.S. Navy
in 1945. I was there off Okinawa. I was part of the occupation forces in 1946. Went to college on the G.I.
bill when I got home. Could you supply one fact with a source. You said you had a ration book . describe it
for me.
am220uss 10 months ago
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@am220uss - You really DON'T do your research!!!! There is documenation from the WRA, that states those were prison camps! WRA termed them "PRISON CAMPS"! BTW, when there are armed men with machine guns in the towers, and at at the gates, patrolling the fences --- looks like a prison camp to me! You surely are a joke. These are from actual documentation from movies (so you don't movies), and pictures (WRA), written documentation and testimonials from people actually in the camps.
ckajita 10 months ago
Your definition is is not so factful. And is very indicative to the hysteria and paranoia that was being cultivated at the time.
Your "facts" are limiited and colored with opinions. You haven't read or watched any of the documented video of the statements of Japanese Amercans or any other persons, than I would trust the documentation you have brought up. You have distorted much here. I understand why no one cares to comment on trash you espouse.
ckajita 10 months ago
I stated that the definition of a enemy alien was a citizen of a country that declared war on the U.S. You might say that by todays standards it would be discrimination for the israeli to intern only people who were citizens of Iran. yes or No ? Would you feel the same if Iran had pulled a sneak attack and declared war on israel. Do you think it would be ok then.
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - I would NOT support actions that would segregate American Citizens based on ethnic backround, country of origin, reiligious, etc. That is against American commitment of Civil rights. The Japanese Americans (even the veteran Japanese Amercan veterans of both WWI and WWII and the Vietnam War) came and stated this when nuts wanted to imprison the Iranians (citizens as well) here in this country - even the Iranian students here. I supported their actions as well as the JACL.
ckajita 10 months ago
@am220uss - You would have probably supported the "Anti-Iranian", Anti-Iraqi" "Anti-Afghani", and "Anti-Muslim" and peobably have done so already, based on your logic. It is all here. And you would have disregarded any and all violations of civil rights, stating "enemy aliens". American citizens are NOT aliens. Yes, you lump everyone together --- a racist (as it has been presented by you), and since you cannot, or have no ability to differentiate, or choose NOT to differntiate- is so sad.
ckajita 10 months ago
Televison is not a accepted source in any college I am aware of. Even the internet
is not accepted by better schools. @ckajita is obviously not a researcher and probably a child, and is not in anyway knowledgeable on this subject .
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - It is used as documentation - but you don't understand and will not accept anything other than so called facts that support your views. This is evendence in itself.
ckajita 10 months ago
More clarification, anthropologists tell us that the people who inhabit Japan came from what is now china. This provides the link to make them members of what used to be called the oriental race. DNA has proven this. The claim of japanese to be a seperate race is just a way for the japanese to claim the Chinese are inferior. japanese are nothing but a nationalstic ethinic group.
am220uss 10 months ago
There seem to be a few things that need clarification here. everybody who is in the U.S. is not a U.S. citizen, then or now. Those here who are not citizens are aliens. If their country of origin declares war on the U.S. they become enemy aliens. The Japanese children got U.S. citizensip by birth right. Most of the adult aliens never applied, they as the considered Japan their home and only came here to make money Source, Bill Hasikawa "Neisi"
am220uss 10 months ago
Try PBS --- Children of the Camp
Most of the 110,000 persons removed for reasons of 'national security' were school-age children, infants and young adults not yet of voting age."
- "Years of Infamy", Michi Weglyn
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita - The children were taken along with 46,000 adult enemy aliens to avoid breaking up families and leaving them without a means of support. The japanese american citizens league wanted it that way. It was a humanitarian gesture that now is used to trash the U.S. As far as your concerned no good deed should go unpunished
am220uss 10 months ago
You might want to try another source of information besides some of the on-sided sources. Real research best practice requests that all sources - even the ones that you may not side with --- will give you more facets of the truth.
ckajita 10 months ago
@ckajita - opinion is not fact. many people will slant their opinion for many reasons. For example they may see themselves as tied to one ethnic group or another or may be anti american. Facts do not lie , if the records from the war relocation authority say there were 46,000 enemy aliens (even their names are provided) That is a statment of fact that is documented. Televison may state fact but unless you have uncut tape copy and the producer has a estaplished record for accuracy, BS .
am220uss 10 months ago
@am220uss - Your opinionated facts are very skewed they are crooked as we can see.
So your crooked facts are not so factful. You haven't done any reading outside propgoganda you choose to read. The items are outdated and put by the propoganda of the time. You choose to be ignorant and choose to wear your blinders to any other facts - that is really sorriful for yousrelf. Yes you are BS.
ckajita 10 months ago
You might try this site if you want some testimony from Japanese Americans - another set of vicitms that are in this war arena. I have more.
ckajita 10 months ago
Bullshit. What indicated that there were 50,000 enemy aliens in this country anyway?
My father served and so did my grandfather. So where it he enemy aliens anyway??? They are citizens! So did my father-in-law, so did 6 of my Italian-American in-laws. They claim it was very unfair. At least they served and can talk! So who are the enemy aliens? Are claiming the Japanese Americans? National Japanese? Or are you lumping them all in the pile like the other dude here? Yes, it is profiling-racism.
ckajita 10 months ago
The actions of the U.S. govt. were in accordance with international law and required by the geneva conventions for the protection of enemy aliens. The camps were inspected by delagations from neutral countries including Spain
and others friendly to the Axis, no serious complaints were made. Thoes caught spying were not put on trial in the U.S. justice system but simply returned to Japan or held until the war ended. Japan did not sign the Geneva conventions and put POW's on trial .
am220uss 10 months ago