Liberalism: liberal democratic ideology

[GeneticIdentity101]

It never deviates from liberalism. It is a liberal system of trade and market, the government is just there to uphold the right of the citizen as per the constitutional framework of the country.

America, well, they are somewhere way to the right of the rest of the world - with the exception of the crude, raw capitalism of the new China and India. I can't speak to the political system of the US. I prefer not to think about the US at all to be honest.

[FRSFreeStateES]

The problem that people have with liberalism especially people on the Far Right. Is that they mistake liberalism for Democratic Socialism like in Europe. And there two different Political Ideology's. And since they hate socialism so much they consider liberalism to be evil.

[GeneticIdentity101]

@FRSFreeStateES

Not to mistake liberalism for a "Liberal" political party. One has to bear in mind, when we're talking liberalism, we're talking about an organised idea of how markets should be run. Liberalism, by all intents and purposes, is a belief that a deregulated market is the best option and that a government should only be around to keep the markets free and to ensure the polis is not stripped of natural rights. Liberalism is really an attempt to balance a free market and a

[FRSFreeStateES]

@GeneticIdentity101

You have liberalism mistaken for libertarianism which I admit are similar but different. With Classical Libertarianism there would be no government involvement in the economy. Liberals believe in liberty but we also believe in the Rule of Law. That we can't hurt others with our freedom.

[GeneticIdentity101]

No, I'm sorry, this is the exact reason I made this video. No one in the western world seems to know anymore that the small l liberalism is our dominant ideology. I'm not talking about any single party, or representative figurehead. I am talking about the over-arching ideology of what is known as small l liberalism; neo-liberalism. Please understand the difference between the ideology and a political party. Conservatism and Liberalism occur on the same line of ideology.

[GeneticIdentity101]

It is very negligent to lose focus of what differentiates an ideology from a political platform. Liberals, Conservatives; Democrats, Republicans, all opperate under the same label of liberal ideology that comes from thinkers such as Locke, Hobbes, Smith, Rousseau, etc.

When I say liberalism, there should be an assumption made that I am talking about a means to approaching the market. Libertarianism is nothing but a very far right interpretation of liberalism (in terms of freeing the market)

[GeneticIdentity101]

It is all the same central ideology which stems well before the advent of these petty titles and obscuring of the central theme.

The central theme of liberalism; since the introduction of the British Parliament, has been the ownership of the means of production and how goods will be distributed.

There is no distinction other than: either the polis owning the means and the distribution (or in effect the social contract between the polis and government owning these means and distribution) OR

[GeneticIdentity101]

a private ownership of the means and the distribution.

Liberalism as an ideology divides this into a secondary subset of ideals: should private ownership have laws governing its limitations, or should it be allowed to function in competition and have a market that is controlled only by the profit it generates and the way that it can generate profit. Yes, these are two opposite extremes, but, in neo-liberalism there is an attempt to balance these two as we can clearly see in the world around us.

[FRSFreeStateES]

@GeneticIdentity101

I think you have "Small Liberalism" mixed up with centrism. Liberalism is about Liberty and Democracy like in Liberal Democracy which is what America is. As well as equality for all that everyone should have the opportunity to get the skills that they need to be successful in life. And be as successful as they're skills and production will allow. Liberalism is not about Social Insurance or the Welfare State. Those are means to an end.

[GeneticIdentity101]

No, that is a semantic of American populism. Liberal democracy is just another word for "liberal market". Where the people have "freedom to liberty and equality". I don't know if these terms are mutually exclusive in American politics, I can't speak for it (I'm socialised to a Canadian and European back-drop, to provide some context); but, given the dialectal difference, when I speak of the liberalism as a whole, I'm talking about a free market system of representative democracy.

[GeneticIdentity101]

In Canada we have a First Past the Post voting model, in the US you have a proportional representation model. In both cases it's still a representative democracy on the line of liberalism, our Conservative party would be centrist to you and our Liberal would be Left, where our National Democratic Party would be much further left. Regardless, this tipartite system still runs along the line of Neo-conservative and neo-liberal under the dominant arch of liberalism as an ideology.

[GeneticIdentity101]

It is still the same concept: how much involvement should the government have in the market? It's widely recognized that there is a disproportionate distribution of wealth; we don't even argue it anymore. The model is now: who makes up for the slack? Is it up to the citizen to forrage their own way out of it (equality of opportunity; individualism) or is it up to the government elect to upkeep a minimum standard to remain accountable to the citizen (equality of condition; collectivism).

[FRSFreeStateES]

@GeneticIdentity101

I think your right but as someone who's actually a liberal. I'm kinda offended when conservatives mistaken. Intentionally or not liberalism for Democratic Socialism . Because they are two different Political Ideology's. Liberalism is about Freedom for the Individual . Where Democratic Socialism has more of a collectivist approach.

[gogetmeseashells]

"people lived in total chaos and without regard for the ontological well-being of each other." Liberalism looks good on paper, and so does communism.

The problem is: after you set up all your liberal systems of bureacratic nightmares, the end result is still a bunch of self-serving pricks. Except now they have the power, influence, and system to stay where they are. Sounds kind of like what unions were formed to do away with - and later, what they became themselves.

[GeneticIdentity101]

@gogetmeseashells

It all comes back to the same point, full circle.