Magnetic Shield on Torbay Hybrid

[andresjavet]

creo que hay que pensar 3d, quiero decir, en salir del plano de la circunferencia para dar paso a otro elemento como el cilindro, el cono etc.

[mangyscavenger]

Shield one side of each array magnet. Then, shield one side of each stator magnet. Array magnets should approach stator magnets shield-to-shield. Once shields pass one another, magnets are open to one another & should push rotation.

Try that.

[nicksobx]

is anyone on youtube going to let the dam thing spin

[scott1506]

what happends if you put it in a vacumm

[jib1000]

Unless your "shield" is a super conductor it isn't a shield. Hard drive shielding shilds the components from RF radiation, not from magnetic fields. They can dampen, or reduce surrounding magnetic field strength WHEN THEY ARE STILL ATTACHED TO THE ENCLOSURE. Removing a piece of shielding from a hard drive does nothing to dampen the magnetic field.

FAIL

[grifffino]

"whoops, it jaam'd again"



[atomkorven]

How are the magnets arenged? are they atracting each other or repelling?

[correocasa3]

@xorthisss

if?

[correocasa3]

Well, maybe a electro magnet on the fixed magnets. So it can activate propel, and deactivate to allow the movement. Maybe you can even sync it with a computer to maximise rev control?

Keep trying!!!

[fuelban]

@correocasa3 cant you use a spring, that shilding is still attracted to the rotor magnets, so wont shid i don think. but springs may be one answer.

[correocasa3]

@fuelban

I really need to see something like a drawing to understand you clearly, however a spring sounds much better than computer sync electromagnets =)

[fuelban]

@correocasa3 Hi, Yes i have done some drawings, on magnetics for my video to help folks undersatand, i will let you know when i post vid this weekend 16th may 2010, if what you want is not shown then email me, i will help if i can, no probs.

thom in scotland

[correocasa3]

@fuelban

excellent!

[ied3vil]

dude, isnt it easier to put it ON the ROTOR? at the point where you need it to shield the stator's magnet. have you tried it ?

[kurbage]

Use a shaft on the axis positioned and timed to push it down

[kevlauenterprises]

Kill that damn fly!

[maco10810]

Epoxy a cylindrical 12.5mm neo magnet into a round piece of steel, then slowly machine down the steel with a lathe until the force of attraction between the steel is equaled by the force of repulsion of the magnet - take off 0.1mm then hold the repelling magnet next to the assembly, keep reducing the attracting steel until the shield is in balance with the magnet inside the steel, the end is open so you have to test on the side - then the free moving magnet can pass into the repelling field

[harryfodder]

those things don't make such great magnetic shield in this case. thats because they're a little too thick, and you don't want much of a gap between the magnets to harness as much of the magnetic flux as possible.

[PurePower025]

Perendev magnetic motor WORKS!!!

its been solved, no need to try anymore.

[searcherrick]

show me a working perendev motor out in the field and we can talk again

[zeropointprophet]

where ? show us links to prove it?

[cyberlord64]

if you have the money to lease their machinery. they don't even sell them

[intj123]

I'm all for free energy but to be quite honest this setup looks impractical.

[sacha4you]

Eltimple, if you used Naquadah, then your machine would work perfectly.

;-))

[1stfreestuff]

naquadah? bleah! i want a ZPM !

[sacha4you]

1stfreestuff, ZPM? Hmmmh... There is a little problem with 2nd law of thermodynamics. What's about naquadriah?

;-))

[2ndKnight]

A magnet has no more intrinsic energy than does a rubber band. Just because one cannot see a magnetic field does not make it more magical than a spring. These would-be magnetic motor inventors confuse force with energy. For a fairly good description of the problems they face search for "The Museum of Unworkable Devices."

[sacha4you]

2ndKnight, that's not exactly correct. Magnetization energy of a permanant magnet is W=m·max(B·H). So you can store energy into a magnet - and restore it by demagnetization. Perendev showed that. The little problem is however, magnetization energy density is disappointingly poor. Of coarse, physics will never discourage perpetua-mobile crazies.

;-))

[rahimi15]

how did u construct the axel the thing in the middle that turns , and is it have low friction could you please email me wat u did on youtube thank you

[onthecuttingedge2005]

you need to use a 'one way clutch bearing' in your rotor to prevent back lash of the system. backlash leads to momentum losses.

[Mattisbehindyou]

buggs all over your table.

[sacha4you]

Mattisbehindyou, Eltimple is still debugging his device. So bugs are not unusual.

;-))

[judomagyar]

You can't just use some primitive meters to come up with the power output when current and voltage are CHANGING IN TIME! You need to take the voltage and current signals and perform a convolution operation to get the real power when you are not dealing with DC current and DC voltage.

[1980PintoMan]

You will have the same problem because the shielding is attracted to both the stator and rotor, you still have the problem of moving it when you need to. You're just moving the problem around.

[edstar83]

cool info thanks.

[bobsfabshop]

cool

[ognimod22]

umm im just a 14 year old guy but might i suggest a graphite magnetic repeling piece. i might be calling it wrong and if anybody out there has a problem with it thats your problem not mine

[bigtam2007]

there is a fly buzzin around and it lands on the table at 0:50 lmao

[ekuwa69]

The reason why this never worked is becuse the magnets on the outside is attracted to the shield. He should just use regular metal on the outside and have the magnets on the inside attract to them and then use the shild.

[4freenrg]

That is not magnetic shielding, it is conducting magnetic force over to the magnet.

Magnetic shield is call magnetostrictive material.

That dog just isn't going to hunt.

[Mystery207]

Call us when you get it working...

[riverrat222]

Is that you pet fly in the background? Does he help you with your designs? LOL!

[gutaxe]

i think the fly is the brains behind this.

[davidchenard]

I thought those hard drive magnet shields were just steel and would pull on the rotor magnets. Do newer hard drives use a different material or is that not a problem with your design?

[jamesroney]

Mr Eltimple is no longer answering questions. In fact he has only replied once which was 10 months ago from the date of my posting.

[Lucien86]

I hate to agree with the sceptics but this is pretty close to an area I once tinkered with - and then I learned a lot more maths. L

I am pretty sure that over-unity is possible but to generate any significant energy you'd need 'mass crescendo' and even 'matter coalescence' technology. You also need a good map of the rel and ftl universe just to control things. - The only place we even approach this kind of energy today is in the heart of nuclear explosions and big particle accelerators.

[Slav4o9111]

It will not work. You can't understand can you ?!? It is moving because you add kinetic energy to it. No shielding or anything can help. If you just stop moving your hands there will not be motion.

[MirekMateju]

That is NOT any solution of overunity. Raising or lowering a stator, adding/removing a shield or magnetic "amplifier" etc. are just kinds of making the magnetic field NONSTATIONERY. And nonstationery magnetic field is the way how every electromotor and many other things work...

You are still not able to attach the shield and let it rotate forever, right?

[flowerbower]

You can download PM for free via Google (books). Twenty-five years ago, I had to pay thousands to buy signed first editions; they were the only copies available at the time! I also had to pay thousands (altogether) to get crackpot patents; now they are free. Damn the internet!

[flowerbower]

Have you read Perpetuum Mobile by J.Dircks, published in 1861 and 1871 (separate book, not a re-print)? It contains hundreds of tales (some tragic) of failed 'free energy' inventors. Attempts (sometimes with success!) are still being made to patent the same old ideas (ever-overbalancing wheels, etc.)

[flowerbower]

I find these sites almost tragic; such ingenuity could be put to much better use. For instance, the world seems to be filling up with metallic junk. There are ways of putting it together which really would generate energy; not enough to replace oil, but enough to trickle-charge a car battery.

[flowerbower]

I do not entirely believe what cosmologists say: they are 'always certain and always wrong'. In the case of the springs, the stressed spring would dissolve faster ('stress corrosion cracking' is a major engineering problem). Energy always ends up as heat energy, eventually.

[I3ursucu]

" flowerbower (3 weeks ago) Marked as spam

What a bunch of losers. Have you never heard of the energy conservation law? " When someone said (Galileo I think) that the Earth is round I'm pretty sure that a bunch of peoples answered : "What a loser. Have you never heard that the Earth is flat? "

[flowerbower]

Quite the opposite: it was generally agreed by the 'ancient Greeks' that the Earth was a sphere. One of them even made a fairly good measurement of its diameter. Only peasants, and those with a suppressive religious agenda, argued against the evidence. I suppose you will cite the Wright brothers next. Yawn.

[I3ursucu]

So this means that you have "a suppressive religious agenda" or the modern term "a sceptic" that "argues against the evidence" and I'm not saying this clip in particular.

[flowerbower]

That rather depends upon one's definition of evidence, and touches upon deep questions of epistemeology and on what philosophers call the 'demarcation problem': how does one tell sense from nonsense. But, briefly: academics who have studied physics for years are a better bet than dubious Youtube clips and those who defend them.

[flowerbower]

Did you know that physicists use perpetual motion as a aid to 'thought experiments'? If they are faced with an unfamiliar theoretical process, they will try to see whether it could be configured so as to produce more energy than it consumes. If it can, then they know that they have made a mistake somewhere.

[I3ursucu]

There are forces in the Univers that we do not know them yet and the thing that most intrigues my is the forces that we DO KNOW like gravity, weak and strong atomic forces or the brawnnian movement of the gases.

[flowerbower]

What has happened to your English, grammar and spelling all of a sudden? They were much better before. Has someone stolen your identity?

[I3ursucu]

part2:

How does this forces exist and create energies? What are the source of energy that make them exist? Why the molecules of a gas in a closed chamber does not stop to move? They are colliding with the walls and a part of the energy transforms in heat and so on. I didn't studied these phenomena, but I don't think that there is an answer. They are just saying "Universal Forces". OK. ....whatever you say.....

[flowerbower]

It is a common fallacy that movement implies an acting force. It does not; only acceleration implies such a force. The gas molecules can continue exchanging energy with each other for ever. It is what happens when they hit the container walls that matters. If the walls are perfectly rigid (essentially impossible), no energy will be lost to them and the molecules will keep moving for ever.

[flowerbower]

continued ... If the molecules of the container wall can be set into motion, then energy will be lost to the walls and the molecules of the gas will slow down. Eventually they will stop (absolute zero), unless there are molecules hitting the other side of the wall and transferring energy to it.

[flowerbower]

Where does the energy come from? The current answer is the 'Big Bang'. Everything else that happens is just the transfer of energy from place to place; all of it leading to an overall increase in the entropy of the universe (what used to be called its 'heat death')

[amen23motor]

well done your on your way to inventing the worlds first stepper motor ...after that you could perhaps build a cnc machine

[flowerbower]

What a bunch of losers. Have you never heard of the energy conservation law?

[kidsdell]

Great magnetos test, look my free energy video

[R0B0duck]

Im jealous.

[R0B0duck]

If you use the seesaw idea again, but use the shark fin idea too to push up the seesaw at the right moment maybe you could get it to pass again. but the friction might be too much so use very light and lubricated materials. whatever. good luck on finding that free and perpetual energy. =]

[tcurtis622]

It is deffinatly something to work with! The one thing you need to understand is.. The hard drive material is soaking up most of the magnetic energy, that is why you are seeing the effect that it has. Nothing can block magnetic energy, if you found something that could, you could create an anti gravity devise out of the same material.

[flowerbower]

Of course one can block a magnetic field. The problem is that the shield then interacts with the field so that it cannot be moved without effort. But why are you equating magnetism and gravity; do you think that they are the same thing?

[RBare2007]

Yup yup yup, but it sure is fun to try.

The words "It is impossible or it cannot be done" have been shouted throughout history, fortunatly for us, some chose not to listen to those words.

[flowerbower]

Examples? Please do not mention Columbus, the Wright brothers or similar knee-jerk cases; the historical record simply does not support the layman's received opinion concerning these matters.

[icfutur]

have you thing to put a kind of cam with sping to not have to do it manualy

[izii]

The shielding material from the hard drive has to much steel in it, perhaps pyrolytic graphite sheets are your answer, magnets repel it.

[Kepez]

what if you attached the magnetic shielding to the rotating part of the enngine so that it always covers the right stator(s)? you wouldn't need to move the magnetic shielding that way since it would always be at the right spot.

[ihtfk]

Brilliant. I bought some very thin mu-metal shielding foil and was disappointed at its ineffectiveness. Will dissect a hard drive tomorrow. Thanks.

[hyperkinetic]

Shield my ass! Try prying that HUGE FUCKING MAGNET off your so called 'shield'. You're going to regret missing your child grow up because you're in prison for FRAUD.

[Eltimple]

Sad, Hasn't got a clue what we are talking about has he..LOL

[CidLuck]

Why not stick the shield into the rotator... shieling the next magnet... the rotartor moves with the shield to the next magnet, and goes again the same concept. The magnets doesnt move so all the magnets stay down.

Sorry for my bad Inglish, Hope it helps.

[akarpysz]

I hope you haven't given up on this idea! I'd like to see the shield added to the rotor....If you're done with this device, would you consider selling it?

[Eltimple]

I have been experimenting with this idea, and shields will have problems working in the torbay which would require more than one, say one shield for every stator. This means that the rotor would be attracted too much to the various stators.But in a motor such as a wankel the concept this may well be worth looking at. Eltimple

[somelse]

Why didn't the shield on the rotor work, like Cidluck sad. I think if you make the shield as wide that it overlaps two stators and you put it on the rotor you would create a gap in the Torbay that moves with the rotor. BTW did you give it up, seen your new experiment with the Steorn motor.