"Those who don't appreciate life do not deserve life." -John Kramer

[horrormovie4629]

poor john... D:

[ZombiesMaster2905]

i SAW this movie and it (other than being a christian) saved my life. even though i had it rough, i SAW these people and i know its fake, but to tell ya the truth, back then, if i was in a trap, i would give up hope

[LuxConcordiae]

But if so, why did he kill so many innocent people?

[apfrezende]

@LuxConcordiae He never killed anyone, what he did was put people in situations where they would survive only if they value life.

[LuxConcordiae]

@apfrezende

Well, he COULD do something to help them, but refused to.

What's more is that he put them into those traps.

[SaintsBro217]

@LuxConcordiae he can't help them, that's the point of the games, if they value their life, then they have to try and survive by using that value, if they don't value life, then they'll just die, plus, SPOILERS, in Saw 3D, John helped Dr. Gordon when he was trying to crawl through the hallway, that's because he proved that he was worthy of having his life

[CodyOsborn1]

One of the best clips on youtube

[amazman123]

I understand.

[ThousandNen]

I know I might be offensive to some people, but I watch this movie purely based on the fact I adore John's traps. I mean he's a genius, a master of planning and cunning strategies. I love the fact that the entire fanchise, he's been dropping hints to escape his traps. (i.e. Saw II, he told the officer as long as he keeps a conversation for 2 hours, his son will be freed, but the officer didn't listen.)

[maestros1987]

life begins with death

you start living since you realise you are mortal and you'll die

your body is getting older in order to die but you have the will to resist

to fight to create memory of something that really matters ,

memory is the immortality

[Med1abr0thers]

the best part of all saw john krammer talks with matt

[MrDaaviee]

the saw series is amazing! it shows what happens every day, not the traps etc. but it shows the true value of life, and how much of a life people waste it every single day whilst other people (junkies, alcoholics etc) waste there lives away with no thoughts of remorse. IE 'those who don't appreciate life, do not deserve life'.

[mastermary2]

WHOOOooooo.WHA!

Can you stop arguing with your shit,with your Jesus Christ, Amanda,all the movies. Or,WHAT-SO-EVER!

And just enjoy the video he posted.

[SirTimothyMarton]

Im sad for people who have to see these movies to value life ... if it makes a diffrence to them I belive who dosent value it never fully will I know people who value life way more than people who faced death I know from both categories but honestly fearing death is pointless it will come you cant fight it but cherish your life while you have it. Its the best thing there is and its up to ou how it goes however difficult it might get

[0gucciman]

@SirTimothyMarton Hey man I am religious i'm Christian. I believe in and worship Jesus Christ so I don't really believe that people should die just because they don't appreciate life. as me as a Christian I try to get people saved, no one deserves to die.. I was just a fan of this scene, I don't take any of this seriously though.

[SirTimothyMarton]

@0gucciman Great Im not judging who like the movie great they're ok movies but the problem begins when people cant see the diffrence people say hey man its just a movie but I say maybe to you but honestly we cant say Saw didnt inspire wierd shit during the past few years so yeah its JUST a movie

The stoy is good and well told I myself saw them all not a huge fan but I dont hate them I just hate when people cant see clearly and are to naive to accept facts

[AQWdeathGian]

@SirTimothyMarton That's from your perspective,asshole.

[000steelandstone000]

It's First Sergeant Carwood Lipton!

[mastermary2]

Jigsaw is so awesome!

[countblackula26]

most people don't appreciate life until they are faced with death.

i love the saw franchise

[sktfrkroacho]

nice bro

[JoshMcCue]

i hope you're getting paid for that ad

[0gucciman]

@JoshMcCue I do too.... I do too.

[SirTimothyMarton]

@0gucciman ok thats one thing so I'd want to kill someone if I had a GOOd reason but still John had no reason they didnt do anything to him so he really has no say in it what did they do to him just saying. And of course I'd be pissed if you killed my girlfriend and probably would want you dead and over that I would step pover what I said but John has no reason they didnt harm him infact people have more than enough reason to kill him for this ... and his death was weak

[SirTimothyMarton]

Its not a work what he does and no human being can decide a humans fate thats what God is for or what does he think he is that hes GOD?! or hes Gods MESSENGER or somthing and he actually thinks hes doing the world a favor? Come on this is just trying to be a good message but theres no good reason to wish someone dead or kill someone however you put it. If someone hurts you, you hurt him back your just as bad as he is I mean if your pissed at the guy why would you do the same thing

[mastermary2]

@SirTimothyMarton It's a movie.

And god doesn't exist.

And yes,if someone hurts you you stab him up the ass.

[SirTimothyMarton]

@mastermary2 WOW LOOK AT THE OBVIOUS. Yeah THIS is a movie but Im not talking about a MOVIE Im talking about the idea there have been pointless killings influenced by saw its the general idea you may think God dosent existed but obviosly John Kramer dosent think so cause hes acting by that and its disgusting and how it reflects on life I live in this world I can see whats around me this is a movie but the world is fucked up and these movies can be hard influences

[SirTimothyMarton]

@mastermary2 If everybody lived life like that dude ... we'd all be dead and day by day the world is getting worse wars plus the extra drunk high assholes ruining their own life thats one thing but there are millions of people dieing daily more by other hands than not all Im saying is besides this world a movie like this just influences pointless violence. No body has a REASON to hurt someone. Yeah someone hurts you you defend yourself .... but why did he hurt you? He got motivated!!

[mastermary2]

@SirTimothyMarton If everyone lived like what?

If you mean being athiest,we would reach the future.

[kejones6]

@mastermary2 whoa man, god does indeed exist. and, like saw, sometimes people only believe when faced with death. i pray that you do not have to endure something like this to believe...

[mastermary2]

@kejones6 Too bad,because god DOES NOT exist.

Years you pray for god,believing in god.

When you die,you wont come to heaven or so to see if he exists,you will see nothing,nothing than nothing.

Because you are dead,then you can not be sorry,for believing in him.

[kejones6]

@mastermary2 I have experienced God in my life. Many many times. I'm not trying to bash you for not believing though. If I had not gone through what I have, I"m not sure I'd believe either. But thankfully, God does exist. :)

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton John Kramer doesn't kill anyone. He saves people. I am in a relationship with God but I find John Kramer a genius and a mastermind far beyond anyone else could ever be.

[SirTimothyMarton]

@MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT Explain please, How does he SAVE people by putting them in deadly situations? I really dont see how you want to approach this but John Kramer isnt God infact hes doing massacres on people who might have done wrong but still its not him who should decide when its over that is with God if God does have a messenger on earth XD I dont belive God would want someone KILLING in his name .... just saying as I said before theres no GOOD reason to kill ANY

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton First if you fully believe what you just said you have obviously not watched these movies. Ask Amanda! A drug addict who turned her life around after being faced with death in one of john kramers trap. John never killed anyone and in fact makes people question who much they "cherish their life" He gives them all the things they need in order to save themselves and the time to do it. Weather or not a persons life is important enough to them to go through what it takes is up to

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton that person to decide. Amanda and Hoffman may have played by different rules but John himself is not a killer he is purely a mastermind, a man who cares about people and making sure they understand the importance of the life they live. Idk if you are a christian but God sends messages through people on a daily basis all the time. We are all messangers if we are willing to let God speak through us. there are people with gifts from God. I personally witnessed someone with the

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton of healing and I trully believe God worked through that person to save my life and he can work through anyone especially John Kramer. He saved amandas life since you want to question this whole "how does he save" tactic. Watch the movies and maybe you will understand instead of assuming you know all the answers.

[kejones6]

@MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT wow you seem to really understand metalchickforchrist. i, too, believe john kramer was doing humanity a favor. it was their choice. their own ignorance/fear/pride is what killed them, not john. what's your number, maybe we can get together. ;)

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@kejones6 oh come and sweep my off my feet! I am your greatest debtor do with me as you please!

[SirTimothyMarton]

@MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT I watched them ALL and he didnt save Amanda she saved HERSELF Kramer gives everybody a chance to live but in the end the people save THEMSELVES all John did is give them a choice of live or Die and that is not for John to decide!!!!

[kejones6]

@SirTimothyMarton While true, they did save themselves. However, without John Kramer's guidance, they would have ignorantly continued throwing their lives away. John Kramer only showed them their folly.

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@kejones6 AMEN!

[SirTimothyMarton]

@kejones6 everybody sins sadly and John did guide them which would be right but in my eyes before he tried to save them .... he put them in a Fatal position and honestly in my eyes ANYTHING he does after that is worthless people may ruin their own lives if they die by teir own accord but this was out of their control they ddnt make themselves wake up in a trap John did ... and he may try to seem like the good guy but in the end he killed them since he created the situations

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton Well... we did not have the right to crucify Christ did we? He had the power to bring himself down from there HE IS THE SON OF GOD but he was mocked and killed in the most horrific way possible. We had no right to do that yet...It was by his example and what he did that people follow him today. The only reason you feel we don't have the right to do this is because society has fully convinced you of what you now today believe as right and wrong. We are all different but for

[SirTimothyMarton]

@MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT wait a sec so your saying that these people are right to die to set an EXAMPLE OF?!

It wasnt right for Jesus it wasnt right for ANYONE?!

Jesus gave us hope!!! and this is what you SAY TO THAT?!

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton Sometimes God does that. I truly believe that God can work through anyone to serve the purpose that he needs them to in this life. Yes people can die to set an example. You talk about death like its a bad thing but I can not wait to die! No I am not depressed I am joyful in the Lord and the day I die will be the best day ever! I wlll go to heaven and be eteranlly blilssful with my father. People die, people die for reasons that you and I may not see as fair but the word fair

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton the words right and wrong are only instilled on us by the world around us. The bible says do not kill where as john kramer does not kill. He is doing nothing wrong. He is making no judgement s he is clearly asking a question. Do you value your life? If they do or they don't its up to them to decide. Living a life that takes advantage of other people or doing bad things and not trully caring about yourself or your life than what real point is there to live. The people in these

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton traps make that decision on thier own. John Kramer is not making it for them. And these traps all have an escape. He may be putting them in a position to have fear but we only fear life when we realize that it may be gone and the only reason to fear that is if we don't have God. You are right Jesus DOES give us hope and to me that is all I need. I trust God with all my heart he is my everything but what John Kramer to me...is not wrong. I find him to be a genius. You can not

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton focus on those who were lost but those who survived these traps and lived to tell their story. That is like any victim in any world tragedy. Such as 9/11 you can't focus on all the people who lost their lives and hate terrorist but you can focus on all the lives that were saved who can now live to tell their story and that makes people grateful to be alive. Think about it. All these people who died are devastating but those who can tell the story will change the lives of many.

[SirTimothyMarton]

@MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT Well yeah thats a totally diffrent percpective but still I feel if people HAVE to die for people to seethe big picture thats just low. But yes what your saying is totally true I agree

[MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT]

@SirTimothyMarton you to sit here and judge the actions of jigsaw is that a christian thing to do? I mean you talk about John Kramer killing people yet you are make judgements against him. A sin is a sin. Look at yourself in the mirror before beating others down for what they do.

[SirTimothyMarton]

@MeTaLcHiCkFoRcHrIsT WHAT?! First you say hes right for killing people .... now you say hes not!

I wrote in every of my comments that what he does is wrong I never defended him you say he saved amanda thats what YOU said those people SAVED THE<MSELVES John Kramer didnt do anything but TRY and Kill them and thats NOT RIGHT. Theres NO right reason to kill someone and whos John OR ANYONE to decide when its someones TIME its DISGUSTING and Demeaning and John is in no way acting BY GOD!!!!!!!

[mastermary2]

Comment,like and favorite.

I love theese movies!

[0gucciman]

@mastermary2 Thanks :)