.I have been roofing for 27 years and I have seen more whites then immigrants show up high, drunk or talking on the phone. Make most of the mistakes thats why you see immigrants up there cus they at least show up on time and not intoxicated. nuff said
I dont know jlxoutlaw I just saw a video on here with 6 whiteboys - one rolling a joint and the other look like he was drink a beer while the other two were pretending having sex with each other that claim to be the fastest roofers on youtube that might have did this job
Haha oh jesus. my god! You sound like some sort of Artificial Intelligence my man! Keyword there is artificial. ;)
Your impersonal, bureaucratic way of analyzing roof shingles is disgusting.
I understand there is a 'science' to it, like all matters of life, science is completely relevant... but you're talking about the job that some/probable illegal immigrant did... What you NEED to do is say "Hey man, your shingles are going to blow off, this was not a satisfactory job here fellas!... redo!"
This guy is being really hard on quality, way too hard. Those shingles are just barely overexposed some of them look flush with the keyways. There was not much savings in material to install them this way. It probably didn't change the bundle count at all. The inspector had to search to find a few tabs that were high. He is just making work for himself.
man you have no idea what you are saying you are yust trowing words out . that roof looks prety good to me . and how much MONEY or METERIAL do you think a contractor can save ,if we need more shingles its beter for us since you are the one paying me.
Alan please get another job because what your saying is horse crap.Have any shingles blown off as of yet?Yes they may have set the coverage above the cutout but it looks to be only 1/8inch.This job is still OK.3-tabs only last 17-22 years anyway.I dont agree with anyone going above manufactures specs but it happens.I have been roofing for 40 years and I have seen it all.I do wish that every roofer would adhere to the rules but 80% of the guys are going to cut corners to save $20.
Jez guys, he's on an inspection job; it's a quick tip on spotting overexposed shingles. Obviously done on the fly and I still found it helpful. Overlap the separations to avoid leaks or early failure, a good tip.
5 inches is the correct exposure for the english shingles. However, it appears that metric shingles were installed on that roof.
If 6 inches was exposed on an english shingle the sealant strip would be exposed and there would be about an inch above the keyways which is clearly not the case with the shingles in the video.
It would of been nice if you would of included a piece showing the tape measure on the exposure since that is the main topic of this video.
Weathering conditions of all types impacts the strength, material integrity, and adhesion qualities. Aging, curling shingles certainly do not have good adhesion. I'm in Florida-have inspected thousands of roofs. typical light weight 3 tabs are done in 12-15 yr. the sun, wind, & thermal shock of thunderstorms shorten the economic life of roof materials. Maybe shingles fare better in moderate climates. aging, curling shingles certainly do not have good adhesion.
Exposure measured at 6" +/- thru out field . Typical recommended exposure should be 5". all aspects of shingle installation are important. Manufacturer's prescribed installation specifications are crucial for performance & warranties. Granule loss is a major contributor to shingle life & loss. As shingles lose granules more asphalt is exposed. UV rays deteriorate & crack the shingles, therefore the shingles become brittle-rip & tear with excessive blowoff.
The shingles the you profiled were "overexposed" by less then 1/8 of an inch at the most. This isn't enough to cause the shingles to not adhere properly. Ask any shinge rep.
Granule loss doesn't cause or contribute to wind uplift. Ask any shingle rep.
You stated that as shingles age the adheasive strength lessons. This isn't true either. I have been on roofs that were 15, 20 years old looking like the one thats in your video and the shingles are stuck to each other.
As an additional clarification. This installation does not conform to any roof shingle manufacturer's specifications. Further accurate info can be obtained from Certainteed shingle Applicators Manual - 7th. Ed. or Roofing with Asphalt Shingles by Mike Guertin - published by Tauton's - For Pros By Pros to back up the facts. the shingle installation may not be an extreme case of overexposure, but the shingles are overexposed.
The homeowner is jeopardized with shingle loss and ensuing roof leaks and water intrusion into the attic and interior. Shingles will blowoff easier. As shingles age they become more brittle, with granule loss, this creates more susceptibility to wind uplift. 3 tab shingles adhesive strip at the end of overlap tends to break down, its adhesive strength lessens. when this occurs wind will create a uplift. With the keyways exposed, this provides a weak spot , allows the tab to tear & blowoff.
I didn't see you lift any shingles to see if the tabs were sealed. The sealant strip is wide enough to seal the shingles when inverably the shingles are installed a little low or a little high.
To me, the roof is installed with the correct reveal. and the shingles appear sealed.
Have you installed very many composition roofs? With your descriptions it doesn't appear so.
Over/under exposure does happen but that isn't the case with this roof.
Do you really think that the roofer intentially installed the shingles in the manner that you described to save a few dollars? I would have to say not likely.
Can you expand on the following.
1. How would the homeowner be jeopardized?
2. Premature failure of the roof. How?
3. How is the roof more susceptible to windstorm damage.
.I have been roofing for 27 years and I have seen more whites then immigrants show up high, drunk or talking on the phone. Make most of the mistakes thats why you see immigrants up there cus they at least show up on time and not intoxicated. nuff said
artsroofing1 5 months ago
I dont know jlxoutlaw I just saw a video on here with 6 whiteboys - one rolling a joint and the other look like he was drink a beer while the other two were pretending having sex with each other that claim to be the fastest roofers on youtube that might have did this job
artsroofing1 5 months ago
Haha oh jesus. my god! You sound like some sort of Artificial Intelligence my man! Keyword there is artificial. ;)
Your impersonal, bureaucratic way of analyzing roof shingles is disgusting.
I understand there is a 'science' to it, like all matters of life, science is completely relevant... but you're talking about the job that some/probable illegal immigrant did... What you NEED to do is say "Hey man, your shingles are going to blow off, this was not a satisfactory job here fellas!... redo!"
JLXOutlaw 6 months ago
This guy is being really hard on quality, way too hard. Those shingles are just barely overexposed some of them look flush with the keyways. There was not much savings in material to install them this way. It probably didn't change the bundle count at all. The inspector had to search to find a few tabs that were high. He is just making work for himself.
AugustusLarch 7 months ago
man you have no idea what you are saying you are yust trowing words out . that roof looks prety good to me . and how much MONEY or METERIAL do you think a contractor can save ,if we need more shingles its beter for us since you are the one paying me.
alexlopez772 8 months ago
Which 7 have you looked at? Please refer to Certainteed Shingle Applicators Manual Seventh Edition
alantrauger 9 months ago
It Appears From What We Can See The Shingles Have Been Installed According To Label Directions, And I Just Read About 7 Of Them.
KingSparta2 9 months ago
Alan please get another job because what your saying is horse crap.Have any shingles blown off as of yet?Yes they may have set the coverage above the cutout but it looks to be only 1/8inch.This job is still OK.3-tabs only last 17-22 years anyway.I dont agree with anyone going above manufactures specs but it happens.I have been roofing for 40 years and I have seen it all.I do wish that every roofer would adhere to the rules but 80% of the guys are going to cut corners to save $20.
xsram67 9 months ago
Jez guys, he's on an inspection job; it's a quick tip on spotting overexposed shingles. Obviously done on the fly and I still found it helpful. Overlap the separations to avoid leaks or early failure, a good tip.
SGTRandyB 9 months ago
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eubie137 1 year ago
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billdare1 1 year ago
I think 6 inches is a little strong but I didn't measure them.
Granuales loss is also a part of the lifecycle of the roof. The granuales has 3 main "jobs" can you name them?
Curling shingles is a good indicator that the useful life of the shingles is or has passed. On occasion it can be a shingle defect.
You haven't said anything about ventilation yet. Correct ventilation intake and outflow is crucial for the life of the roof.
12-15 years is normal for a 20-25 year shingle
antyme2 2 years ago
5 inches is the correct exposure for the english shingles. However, it appears that metric shingles were installed on that roof.
If 6 inches was exposed on an english shingle the sealant strip would be exposed and there would be about an inch above the keyways which is clearly not the case with the shingles in the video.
It would of been nice if you would of included a piece showing the tape measure on the exposure since that is the main topic of this video.
antyme2 2 years ago
Weathering conditions of all types impacts the strength, material integrity, and adhesion qualities. Aging, curling shingles certainly do not have good adhesion. I'm in Florida-have inspected thousands of roofs. typical light weight 3 tabs are done in 12-15 yr. the sun, wind, & thermal shock of thunderstorms shorten the economic life of roof materials. Maybe shingles fare better in moderate climates. aging, curling shingles certainly do not have good adhesion.
alantrauger 2 years ago
Exposure measured at 6" +/- thru out field . Typical recommended exposure should be 5". all aspects of shingle installation are important. Manufacturer's prescribed installation specifications are crucial for performance & warranties. Granule loss is a major contributor to shingle life & loss. As shingles lose granules more asphalt is exposed. UV rays deteriorate & crack the shingles, therefore the shingles become brittle-rip & tear with excessive blowoff.
alantrauger 2 years ago
You have a old copy of the shingle appplicator's manual
antyme2 2 years ago
Lets just say that the adhesive strength breaks down with age. If this is the case then the installation of the shingles wouldn't become a factor.
Your using blanket statements when you shouldn't.
I think the angle that you are shooting the video makes the reveal worse then it actually is. Did you measure the reveal?
antyme2 2 years ago
The shingles the you profiled were "overexposed" by less then 1/8 of an inch at the most. This isn't enough to cause the shingles to not adhere properly. Ask any shinge rep.
Granule loss doesn't cause or contribute to wind uplift. Ask any shingle rep.
You stated that as shingles age the adheasive strength lessons. This isn't true either. I have been on roofs that were 15, 20 years old looking like the one thats in your video and the shingles are stuck to each other.
antyme2 2 years ago
As an additional clarification. This installation does not conform to any roof shingle manufacturer's specifications. Further accurate info can be obtained from Certainteed shingle Applicators Manual - 7th. Ed. or Roofing with Asphalt Shingles by Mike Guertin - published by Tauton's - For Pros By Pros to back up the facts. the shingle installation may not be an extreme case of overexposure, but the shingles are overexposed.
alantrauger 2 years ago
The homeowner is jeopardized with shingle loss and ensuing roof leaks and water intrusion into the attic and interior. Shingles will blowoff easier. As shingles age they become more brittle, with granule loss, this creates more susceptibility to wind uplift. 3 tab shingles adhesive strip at the end of overlap tends to break down, its adhesive strength lessens. when this occurs wind will create a uplift. With the keyways exposed, this provides a weak spot , allows the tab to tear & blowoff.
alantrauger 2 years ago
I didn't see you lift any shingles to see if the tabs were sealed. The sealant strip is wide enough to seal the shingles when inverably the shingles are installed a little low or a little high.
To me, the roof is installed with the correct reveal. and the shingles appear sealed.
Have you installed very many composition roofs? With your descriptions it doesn't appear so.
Over/under exposure does happen but that isn't the case with this roof.
antyme2 2 years ago
Do you really think that the roofer intentially installed the shingles in the manner that you described to save a few dollars? I would have to say not likely.
Can you expand on the following.
1. How would the homeowner be jeopardized?
2. Premature failure of the roof. How?
3. How is the roof more susceptible to windstorm damage.
antyme2 2 years ago