has anyone else noticed the unlikelyness of the greeks throws their shield arm up before locking them together? that shiel only weight around15-25 pounds throwing their arm up like that would make them weist energy
@Victorian1858Gothic About me being interested in the Persians - what's wrong with not being a racist idiot who only cares about his own ancestors like the rest of you retards?
@Victorian1858Gothic So we get a generous maximum of 16 thousand combatants, but because the unit of Persians was likely 80% or lower in strength (which was the de facto maximum for Achaemenid or any other army where there were fixed units of trained troops), and the Ionians are unlikely to have numbered too many, the figure was certainly lower.
@Victorian1858Gothic ..since they fit on the ships one must assume they were no more numerous than the remaining space after we add the Scythians (usually organized in hazaraba, 1000 strong units) for a maximum figure. But the reality is most likely much smaller. The Scythians were likely horsemen, but if they weren't, the horsemen were away from the battle anyway.
@Victorian1858Gothic And that is the maximum figure. It could well have been smaller than that.
Composition of the army is something we can be fairly certain of. Herodotus only mentions Persians, Scythians and Ionians. Since the Persians' place was in the center as usual, we can safely assume there was one baivarbam of them (10 000 theoretical strength). Datis conscripted Ionian hoplites to fight for him as well, and those were most likely stationed on the flanks. Unknown number, but...
1. I did not bring racism up, you did. I merely said that I am no "Asian half breed immigrant" or whatever you called me.
2. No primary sources speak of troop numbers, but Herodotus gives 600 ships. A trireme can carry 30 combat troops at the most, and it is likely they carried less because the voyage included trips directly over open sea, instead of the usual land hugging approach. So we get 18 thousand combatants max minus the ships that were transporting horsemen.
@migkillerphantom I would like to remind you that the 18 thousand combatants at max is just an assumption, you would need to actually be there to know what happened, and it would still be hard to estimate a likely amount of troops. But it is a pretty good assumption.
lol spartans truly overated they were not good fighters out of formation fine that was common for national armies but not using arrows because you believe its cowardly that alone shows there foolishness .Give the greeks there credit .And of course the number of dead are exaggerated on both sides both sides have 2 different stories .
@Victorian1858Gothic The part that Miltiades intended the center to break is just romantic fantasy, unfortunately, since no primary sources ever mention it. The fact is that the ethnic Persians (who, BTW, were generally better trained than Greeks, just as disciplinef and rather well equipped) broke the Athenian center. The casualties are also likely somewhat exaggerated on the Persian side.
@Victorian1858Gothic As for the actual content of the show, it's bullshit. Nearly all of it. The Persians didn't look like that, and the invasion force was only about 16 thousand strong at most, of which the flanks were islander Ionians and Aeolians - the ones that failed,
Haha, if we were to start all the racist crap, my ancestry of pure, blonde and blue eyed Latvians on one side and higher Polish nobility on the other would probably beat yours... You are a retard if you think everyone has to be racist,
Miltiades' reasoning is sound and applies very much to the Pelleponesian war, Athens became fractured politically as she hid behind her walls. In that war they should have taken fight to Sparta as they did with Persia.
sorry i was mistaken, Darius the 1 father of Xerxes led the first Persian invasion of Greece and the battle of Marathon. this was in 490 BC the second invasion of Greece led by Xerxes involved the battle of Salamis and the Spartan sacrifice in 480 BC. it was at Salamis that the Persian flee twas decimated, not here in the first invasion, my bad people my bad. also i like how they took things like the sky of arrows at marathon and the Athenians throwing Persians in a pit and used that in 300
the Persian warlord Xerxes, kept his immortal elite legion always with his army, the battle of Salamis was the great naval battle where Athens and the Greek states obliterated the Persian Fleet. Marathon was the last attempt of the Persians too crush Greece and the Greeks final push to send the Persians packing. when the Greeks won, Athens became the beacon of democracy and Greek power and was then the protector of the Greek states. Aeschylus the Greek playwright was a general at marathon.
@2Reaver You obviously don't know anything about the Achaemenids.
The "Immortals", whose actual name was "Anušiya", or companions, were a 10 thousand strong unit of ethnic Persians and Medes, promoted from the regular infantry. They were kept active even in peacetime, and sent to fight wars around the empire.
Yet Marathon was just a small punitive expedition against barbarian city states. Why would the king send his elite response force? The 10 thousand Persians, 1000 Scythians and 5000 Greeks
@migkillerphantom The persians actually sent Immortals in greece! I am not sure about marathon but in the battle at thermopyles the spartans fought immortals and other soldiers of the persian army
@migkillerphantom Oh yeah!!You are right i thought u were saying that the persians never sent immortals in greece..:D I am wondering where are u from and u know so much about greek history?
what if the persians had won?
crocgator44 5 days ago
Why is there Alexander's story in this?
spacemarin37 1 week ago
has anyone else noticed the unlikelyness of the greeks throws their shield arm up before locking them together? that shiel only weight around15-25 pounds throwing their arm up like that would make them weist energy
2ndsquad2 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic Oh, how nice. You have no answer and thus you try to cover your flight with insults? Pathetic, really. Go back to school, kid.
migkillerphantom 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic About me being interested in the Persians - what's wrong with not being a racist idiot who only cares about his own ancestors like the rest of you retards?
migkillerphantom 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic So we get a generous maximum of 16 thousand combatants, but because the unit of Persians was likely 80% or lower in strength (which was the de facto maximum for Achaemenid or any other army where there were fixed units of trained troops), and the Ionians are unlikely to have numbered too many, the figure was certainly lower.
migkillerphantom 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic ..since they fit on the ships one must assume they were no more numerous than the remaining space after we add the Scythians (usually organized in hazaraba, 1000 strong units) for a maximum figure. But the reality is most likely much smaller. The Scythians were likely horsemen, but if they weren't, the horsemen were away from the battle anyway.
migkillerphantom 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic And that is the maximum figure. It could well have been smaller than that.
Composition of the army is something we can be fairly certain of. Herodotus only mentions Persians, Scythians and Ionians. Since the Persians' place was in the center as usual, we can safely assume there was one baivarbam of them (10 000 theoretical strength). Datis conscripted Ionian hoplites to fight for him as well, and those were most likely stationed on the flanks. Unknown number, but...
migkillerphantom 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic
1. I did not bring racism up, you did. I merely said that I am no "Asian half breed immigrant" or whatever you called me.
2. No primary sources speak of troop numbers, but Herodotus gives 600 ships. A trireme can carry 30 combat troops at the most, and it is likely they carried less because the voyage included trips directly over open sea, instead of the usual land hugging approach. So we get 18 thousand combatants max minus the ships that were transporting horsemen.
migkillerphantom 1 month ago
@migkillerphantom I would like to remind you that the 18 thousand combatants at max is just an assumption, you would need to actually be there to know what happened, and it would still be hard to estimate a likely amount of troops. But it is a pretty good assumption.
Raymondhaffar1 2 weeks ago
@Raymondhaffar1 Yes, of course, but it is a better assumption than 30 thousand.
migkillerphantom 2 weeks ago
lol spartans truly overated they were not good fighters out of formation fine that was common for national armies but not using arrows because you believe its cowardly that alone shows there foolishness .Give the greeks there credit .And of course the number of dead are exaggerated on both sides both sides have 2 different stories .
champwagner 1 month ago
My favorite battle!
2242bzo 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic The part that Miltiades intended the center to break is just romantic fantasy, unfortunately, since no primary sources ever mention it. The fact is that the ethnic Persians (who, BTW, were generally better trained than Greeks, just as disciplinef and rather well equipped) broke the Athenian center. The casualties are also likely somewhat exaggerated on the Persian side.
migkillerphantom 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic As for the actual content of the show, it's bullshit. Nearly all of it. The Persians didn't look like that, and the invasion force was only about 16 thousand strong at most, of which the flanks were islander Ionians and Aeolians - the ones that failed,
migkillerphantom 1 month ago
@Victorian1858Gothic
Haha, if we were to start all the racist crap, my ancestry of pure, blonde and blue eyed Latvians on one side and higher Polish nobility on the other would probably beat yours... You are a retard if you think everyone has to be racist,
migkillerphantom 1 month ago
360 p fuckk
tumalditamadresita 1 month ago
"Imagine U.S Marines have their country." this is wrong Mr. Proffessor. Delta Force is better example for resemble.
erkin3 2 months ago
@erkin3 do you even know anything about the marines or delta? go play more COD faggot
dholl17 2 months ago
@dholl17 I never played COD but i know what is it. I know more than you about delta & marines. Also i am not but maybe you are a faggot?
erkin3 2 months ago
@erkin3 Yeah right, if you knew half as much as you think you do, you'd see just how stupid your comment is.
TheBardicDruid 1 month ago
Miltiades' reasoning is sound and applies very much to the Pelleponesian war, Athens became fractured politically as she hid behind her walls. In that war they should have taken fight to Sparta as they did with Persia.
ImaginedWriter 3 months ago
sorry i was mistaken, Darius the 1 father of Xerxes led the first Persian invasion of Greece and the battle of Marathon. this was in 490 BC the second invasion of Greece led by Xerxes involved the battle of Salamis and the Spartan sacrifice in 480 BC. it was at Salamis that the Persian flee twas decimated, not here in the first invasion, my bad people my bad. also i like how they took things like the sky of arrows at marathon and the Athenians throwing Persians in a pit and used that in 300
MAnnaconduit1 3 months ago
the Persian warlord Xerxes, kept his immortal elite legion always with his army, the battle of Salamis was the great naval battle where Athens and the Greek states obliterated the Persian Fleet. Marathon was the last attempt of the Persians too crush Greece and the Greeks final push to send the Persians packing. when the Greeks won, Athens became the beacon of democracy and Greek power and was then the protector of the Greek states. Aeschylus the Greek playwright was a general at marathon.
MAnnaconduit1 3 months ago
Epic BS. Immortals at Marathon? History channel is getting worse and worse.
migkillerphantom 4 months ago
@migkillerphantom there would have been immortals there because they were part of the army
2Reaver 4 months ago
@2Reaver You obviously don't know anything about the Achaemenids.
The "Immortals", whose actual name was "Anušiya", or companions, were a 10 thousand strong unit of ethnic Persians and Medes, promoted from the regular infantry. They were kept active even in peacetime, and sent to fight wars around the empire.
Yet Marathon was just a small punitive expedition against barbarian city states. Why would the king send his elite response force? The 10 thousand Persians, 1000 Scythians and 5000 Greeks
migkillerphantom 4 months ago
@migkillerphantom The persians actually sent Immortals in greece! I am not sure about marathon but in the battle at thermopyles the spartans fought immortals and other soldiers of the persian army
vagos13legend 3 months ago
@vagos13legend But Thermopylae was 10 years later.
migkillerphantom 3 months ago
@migkillerphantom Oh yeah!!You are right i thought u were saying that the persians never sent immortals in greece..:D I am wondering where are u from and u know so much about greek history?
vagos13legend 3 months ago
@vagos13legend I'm from Latvia, and I don't give a shit about Greek history. I am interested in the Persians.
migkillerphantom 3 months ago
@migkillerphantom Its good that u try to learn about an ancient civilization
vagos13legend 3 months ago
@migkillerphantom What the fuck is a Latvia? xD
MrAgnostosAnonymos 3 months ago
@MrAgnostosAnonymos The white hot rod of steel about to enter your anal cavity.
migkillerphantom 3 months ago
@migkillerphantom You mean this little shithole which sucks russian dicks for centuries?? ^^
HAHAHA... My ass is fine. Thank you for thinking about it you Malaka. I hope we will meet one day so you can get some greek hospitality. ;)
MrAgnostosAnonymos 3 months ago
@MrAgnostosAnonymos Sure.
I must refuse though, since I am not homosexual like you.
Finally, Russia only ruled here for a grand total of about 150 years, compared to thousands of years of freedom or catholic sectant rule.
migkillerphantom 3 months ago
@2Reaver ...should have sufficed, and, for the most of the campaign, they did, by razing the several island cities.
migkillerphantom 4 months ago
how were u able to download that vidoe in ur documents
haloshit12345 5 months ago
Outstanding show. Professor Gabriel is one of the finest historians i have ever had the pleasure to read and listen to
labattman 5 months ago