Bf-109G4 Start up Rote Sieben (Part1)

[Ca1861]

Amazing. I heard, but dont claim to know, that Germany developed a version of the Bf-109 that could operate from aircraft carriers.

But they never finshed their carrier program so was never used.

[FiveCentsPlease]

@Ca1861

Bf109T, with seven constructed for carrier trials before the program was canceled, while the remaining T versions were used in Luftwaffe service after removing unneeded tail hooks.

[buidseach]

the canopy looks like a greenhouse

[JOHNO4992]

The first 109 prototype had a RR Kestrel.. The irony !!

[SuperSchnupfer]

Deutsche Technik ey!!

[raginroadrunner]

The German V engine vastly superior to the US radial..see the "Jumo" in the Focke Wulf..now these are engines..

[FiveCentsPlease]

@raginroadrunner

The German V12s were technically advanced and more complex, as said today by those restoring them. I would not call V12s superior. While all of the inline V12s offered the aerodynamic advantage they could be crippled by cooling system damage. The radials were rugged and could take punishment and still fly home.

[angryace13]

@raginroadrunner

what exactly makes for example the DB-605D vastly superior to the R-2800? the R-2800 with Water injection created 2,450 to 2,500HP and was air cooled, no liquid cooling system to muck up. it was so rugged and durable it could have entire cylinder heads blown off, low oil pressure, and still perform well enough for a aircraft to fly.

[AllisterCaine]

i missed that plane at bamberg airshow last year, because my buddies wanted to see some god damn oldtimer cars at a village nearby.

hell i was so pissed.

hope she will be there this year. :)

[cutmenow990]

Is something wrong or different with the painting?

[FiveCentsPlease]

@cutmenow990

What about the painting concerns you?

[cutmenow990]

@FiveCentsPlease

the painting looks...so unreal...and so bright and clean.. i dont know the exact word..but seems sstrange.. like not original

[FiveCentsPlease]

@cutmenow990

The flyable Me109s do develop the dirty exhaust staining seen in WWII photos and the paint on this one is just a few years old. They are also well-maintained instead of operating from muddy airstrips during WWII with mechanics scuffing them up. They're only driven on Sundays by little old ladies. LOL.

[hanscombe72]

Hartmann was the top scorer because her would fly in so close that he couldn't miss and the last thing the Russian Pilot saw was tracer fire zipping out in front of him. Forget this turning fight nonsense. Get in close and knife the bastard in the back!!!!!

[sweetgirl108911]

hihi auf der suche nach jemanden der mich von meiner andauernden einsamkeit erlösen kann

[EnterpriseXI]

didn't the early models have a hand crank inertia starter?

[daplaneflyer]

@EnterpriseXI most likely

[FiveCentsPlease]

@EnterpriseXI

The inertial start was fairly common on many engines. It could be turned by hand or electrically.

[thegoosebrain]

Now I know why Eric Hartmann was the greatest fighter ace EVER! Great plane!

[ColaWhiski]

fantastic sound

warbirds-power.de

[penetriergott]

it was the white shark, among the hunters.

[Ialocin85]

is it true that they dont give full power at startup and takeoff ?

I have herd that they will just tip over

[FiveCentsPlease]

@Ialocin85

These restored planes are operated just as they were in service. Any pilot with tail-dragger experience should know how to use the brakes and elevator to keep from nosing the plane over while checking the oil pressure. Tipping over on the takeoff roll or landing COULD happen if the pilot jammed on the brakes for some reason. The real danger with these high-powered planes is torque rolling--too much throttle with the big heavy prop can flip the plane over in slow flight.

[GTheidi]

beautiful little vid

[mrceebees14]

What camera did you use? The clarity is amazing.

What a freaking beautiful war bird.

[Morisson555]

sexiest plane in the world....

[NichtsNadaNothing]

unfortunately she was destroyed in an accident while landing

[FiveCentsPlease]

@NichtsNadaNothing

Not destroyed, but badly damaged a few years ago. It was repaired, but unfortunately had another accident on the test flights. It's been repaired and is now flying with a new owner in Germany.

[AtomWofW]

@NichtsNadaNothing she crashed many times, and always has been restored ;)

[GermanWarRemembrance]

@NichtsNadaNothing n got restored and is already back at air shows. :)

[Danish4ever77]

Yeah and the FW 190 and TA 152 are the BMW of the skies ;o)

[RangerThompson]

@over9000christian What the fuck go away

[F14ace]

There's nothing quite like an old warbird.

[thegoosebrain]

Damn.....that is one beautiful plane.

[Paladin601]

That Fuel injection sure lets the engine start up smoothly compared to the Mustangs carb.

[emforty2]

sad its too short

[couteau86]

@ Feierprinz86 ... Die 109'er Modelle trugen allesamt die Bezeichnung BF ... fragt sich, wer hier keine Ahnung hat

[eltfell]

Richtig, denn die 109 wurde noch zu einer Zeit konstruiert, als der Laden noch "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke" hieß, daher das Bf.

[romeosierrra04]

AirKraft

[cabdolla]

wow, unlike the american and uk figheters, this thing fired up almost instantly. In fact, it fired up faster than the Cessna I fly! That usually happens if the engine had been run earlier (which is my guess). Beaut airplane none-the-less!

[cabdolla]

At 0:12 you can see the engine shoot out a little burst of flame in the exhaust, terrific!

[angryace13]

probably fired up so quicly beacuse it has fuel injection, ive noticed that, somthing like a mustang or spitfire takes a few seconds to start probably beacuse of carburation, but not a messerschmitt, the prop barly has to turn at all and, wham its off!

excuse if i spelled incorrectly, my aspergers syndrom effects how well i spell, and my spell check doesent seem to be working.

[gamer025]

Actually it took 9 seconds to start up. Turn your volume up, you can hear the starter running.

[reggiedelta]

@gamer025 Actually, during the nine seconds, you hear the flywheel gaining momentum. At the end of the nine seconds the flywheel is then engaged to the engine. So, during the nine seconds the engine itself is NOT turning over at all. The engine does start instantly once the flywheel is engaged. Originally the flywheel was hand cranked from the side of the engine nacelle until it gained the momentum needed.

[gamer025]

@reggiedelta I suppose you're right, but then I've seen all ww2 aircraft do the same thing.

[justforever96]

@reggiedelta - I think you may be mistaken. Maybe not, but it sounds to me like you're talking about an inertia starter, and I don't think the Bf 109 used that. The big brass flywheel is too heavy; that's why by WWII most planes used either a cartridge starter or an electric starter. I suppose one could use a small electric motor to spin up a flywheel, but I don't see the point. And almost all warbirds have electric starters these days, like a car. I think the sound is just another plane.

[FiveCentsPlease]

@justforever96

The Bf109s did use the inertial starter. However, the restorations that are flying today have modified the engine to have an electric starter to spin up the flywheel, just for convenience. In any film of Black 6 when it was flying, they used the inertial starter for it and I think Black 6 was probably kept original without an electric starter.

[skot66]

@justforever96 The 109's used an inertia starter ...nuff said.

[justforever96]

@skot66 I know that now...I don't remember what I was thinking when I wrote that. I know that the Bf 109 had a manual inertia starter now. Maybe you know the answer to the question I just asked "reggiedelta": was the flywheel DIRECTLY cranked up to speed by a crewman standing beside the plane, and the engine started while he was still standing there? Or was the crank used to "wind-up" a large clock-spring, which then spun the flywheel up once released? I can't seem to find much decent info.

[skot66]

@justforever96 The first part of your question is correct. The crewmen cranked the inertia starter. The pilot would then engage the starter. I sent videos of the starting procedure to your personal message box.

[justforever96]

@reggiedelta Was an inertia starter's flywheel really "cranked...until it gained the momentum needed"? I thought it had something like a large clock-spring that was "wound-up" by a crank. Then the spring was released, and the stored energy spun the flywheel up to speed, and it engaged the engine. I'd think the spring more likely...it takes a lot of energy to start an engine, and a low-geared handle and a ratchet would allow a lot to be stored up.

[jonesy97]

On man, what a beautiful airplane.

[squatch4ever]

Yeah, it's like the mercedes benz of the skies X)

[JTD19881369]

It has a Mercedes inverted V12... So I geuss youre right. lol

[squatch4ever]

lol

I said bf-109 is the mercedes benz of the skies as americans call p-51 the cadillac of the skies

[simhopp]

since p-51 had rolls royce merlin engine,

should be called rolls royce of the skies.

but then, too many airplanes have rolls royce engines.

[squatch4ever]

yeah, but they referred to the beauty of the plane. Bf-109 is like a racing car.

[wlh1us]

@simhopp the mustangs that used the merlin were detroit/packard models  and not all were merlins either, many were Griffons

[Danish4ever77]

@simhopp Yeah I was once at an airshow near Copenhagen. There were three planes with Rolls Royce Merline engines. A Spitfire, a P-51 and a BF 109 :o(

[ETwin666]

With the difference that Mercedes is good an cadillac is bullshit;)

[Flyingazzmunky]

@squatch4ever Well technically speaking it is, seeing as it uses a Diamler-Benz engine;)

[wlh1usa]

@squatch4ever as an american with german roots, i think the bf-109 was way better than the mustang

[BikerRussell]

@squatch4ever What does that make the Dora?

[Xiolablu3]

@squatch4ever Actually they dont call it that, it was just in a film called 'Empire of the Sun', lol. A kid says it.

[Treetop64]

@squatch4ever That the 109 is the Mercedes-Benz of the skies is quite literally the case, since the 109 carries a Mercedes engine.

[tubefluid]

@squatch4ever Yea,,,,,,,,, until you used the landing gear, then it could be called a Yugo. :)

[Feierprinz86]

Me nicht Bf, wie dumm seid ihr denn???? geschichtlich inkorrekt! aber naja, was will man auch erwarten...

[grazyarnie]

Das sind die Bayerischen Flugzeugwerke Enthusiasten. Messerschmitt konstruierte die erste 109 für diese Flugzeugwerke die dann später von ihm durch eine Kooperation von Freiherr Raulino zur Messerschmitt Firma wurde. Aus der BFW entstand auch BMW. Ich hatte ne Diskussion mit jemandem weil ich der Meinung bin Bf steht für Bauform und nicht für Bayerische Flugwerke. Wie auch immer: großartiges Flugzeug, eines der besten der Welt zu seiner Zeit. Ein wahres Kunstwerk wie Spitfire, Mustang...

[Feierprinz86]

ja, ich habs schon gemerkt... die 109 und die 110 wurden Bf und Me genannt, je nachdem...

[AndreiTupolev]

That's a DB605. The Spanish ones with Merlins had a quite different nose.

[christianmulvad]

I actually think its runnning a restored, or atleast a resembling engine to the original one.

had it been a Merlin the exhaust-pipes would have been located higher on the nose

[Morrica]

This 109 has a Merlin engine in tho doesn't it?

[Barbraossa85]

DB V12 and you can clearly hear it when starting and running. The sound in makes when flying is because of the airflow..

[noonedude101]

The only flying 109 in the world...

[FiveCentsPlease]

There are 4 or 5 flyable ones. This one (now under repairs after an accident), two in Germany at the Willy Messerschmitt Museum (one under repairs from a landing accident), one owned by Ed Russell, and one owned by Paul Allen.

[Meirele]

Where is part 2 ?

[Jagdtoq]

Nice paint job on this one

[knighterrantfilms]

DB right?

[SmiertSpionem]

please ;)

[SmiertSpionem]

CAn I borrow this sound for a video of mine?

[Xelmon]

Damn that's one quick start.

Then again, if you need rapid base defense deployed, every seconds counts.