Stand with women and against Stupak

[AtTheCornerCafe]

Planned Parenthood and other abortion "clinics" wouldn't dare tell women the truth because their overwhelming need to get more money is greater than a child's life. How uncivilized we truly are! What a poor nation is the one that kills their most innocent, their weakest.

[AtTheCornerCafe]

I have been raped before, have you, @lacaliffa1288? If I had become pregnant I would have had that child because I am responsible, that child would have been part of me and I am not a murderer. That simple. I am not grateful that more than 52 MILLION children (just in the US) have been savagely torn limb by limb, vaccumed or burned with saline because of a "right" to kill. Natural Family Planning is 99% effective and will not result in killing an innocent child.

[lacaliffa1288]

@AtTheCornerCafe I'm sorry you were raped & grateful that you would have been able to make your own choice about whether to terminate a pregnancy. That alone does not make you responsible.Your situation may be very different from another. Could you afford to care for a child? Would you love the child unconditionally, not blame the child? In some countries, governments dictate the choice. Some of them dictate to abort, not to allow birth. This decision does not belong to government authorities.

[lacaliffa1288]

@AtTheCornerCafe And I would support your right to make your choice, not to impose your choice on others who may not share your beliefs. It would be far more productive for both sides to work together to prevent unwanted pregnancies, abuse, abandoned women, rape, incest, and the many complex - not so simple - situations that many women experience. If you feel this strongly then please support family planning, sex education, support options, and teaching young men & women to be more responsible.

[AtTheCornerCafe]

Abortion is murder! Don't pro-abortion people realize this? Why do they hide behind slogans like "choice" and "women's rights"... I am a woman too, but I choose not to kill my children! Because I know what abortion is.

[lacaliffa1288]

@AtTheCornerCafe Pro-choice women, like myself, are not pro-abortion. Do you realize how grateful you should be that you have a choice? You can choose not to have an abortion for many reasons: govenment doesn't force you to end a pregnancy, you aren't a victim of incest or rape or abandonned, abused, and alone. I support preventing unwanted pregnancies and allowing women to decide what is best for them. Every situation is different & the choices can be difficult, painful, & personal.

[ipublica]

Do not give up the fight, please! I am German, a German and international lawyer. All our German government right now is female today - guess why? We have learnt from our past. Just that. We have seen the pitfalls of sexism. You need to realize that the famel is the primary source of intelligence and wisdom, biologically so, not just as a matter of 'matriachry'. Females are gods, males are slaves to gods. There is no other way. It's set by nature and that is why patriarchy could not accept it.

[Patriarch00]

Abortion is not health care.

[lacaliffa1288]

@Patriarch00 It is a surgical procedure. Surgical procedures qualify as healthcare.

[Patriarch00]

@lacaliffa1288 You're wrong. Surgical procedures should only be practiced to preserve all life, not destroy any of it. Therefore, it is not true or good health care.

[lacaliffa1288]

@Patriarch00 You are entitled to make your choices based on your opinion. But a woman is a living person with a right to her religious & medical choices needed to preserve her life, health, and/or ability to have healthy children in the future. You have no right to dictate those choices. Life & death choices are not always that simple. Only she & her doctor are qualified to determine what medical procedures are necessary. Prolonging a terminal patient 's life is also a personal choice.

[Patriarch00]

@lacaliffa1288 I'm afraid not. A fetus is a (helpless) living person with the same rights as any of us. Science has quite clearly and decidedly proven that human life begins at the moment when sperm and ovum meet and form an entirely new, self-directing living organism of the human species with its own individual DNA distinct from both mother and father. Logically, it would be from that moment when this human being should be treated with the rights and dignities that come with being a human.

[lacaliffa1288]

@Patriarch00 Seriously? Same rights? So, the second an egg is fertilized, the dividing cells have all the inheritance rights of a fetus that survives to term & birth? This is news to attorneys & pregnant women everywhere. The moment that they are pregnant, cells that may never develop into a human being, are entitled to whatever the zygote's inheritance may be. If the woman miscarries,there is no birth, but you think they can claim ownership of their child's inheritance! You are incorrect.

[Patriarch00]

@lacaliffa1288 Pro-lifers are often criticized for their position that human life begins at conception. Many incorrectly think that this belief is based on some blind religious dogma, a scripture passage somewhere, or some stubborn need to tell women what to do with their bodies. All the while, your opposition likes to pretend that you are the scientific, logical ones – obviously not blinded by religion or some judgmental God.

[Patriarch00]

@lacaliffa1288 Of course, this is exactly backwards from reality. The entire basis for life beginning at conception stems from well documented, universally recognized scientific fact. The only ones who deny this are people like you who are blinded by your own religious dogma of so-called “choice” who have a stubborn need to deny scientific fact in order to stay faithful to your own ideology.

[lacaliffa1288]

@Patriarch00 It is not scientifically accepted fact that all fertilized eggs survive to birth of a child. A fertilized egg develops into a human being if it survives to birth. That's the reason a pregnant woman is "expecting" a baby. My religious belief is that life begins at conception. I support family planning to prevent unwanted pregnancies & abortions. I won't impose my religious beliefs on others but support options for women in dire situations. Your scientific interpretation is flawed.

[Patriarch00]

@lacaliffa1288 There is much to be said against this, but its defects are philosophical, not scientific. Its proponents recognize that there is no Holy Grail out there to find, and they are willing to defend the killing of human embryos while facing up to the biological facts. But then there are the Grail searchers. These people are determined to prove that what modern human embryology has been telling us is wrong, and to this end they scavenge the fields of molecular biology and human genetics.

[Patriarch00]

@lacaliffa1288 The embryo doen’t have to survive to birth. That is not what’s in question here. The point is that it's a living thing. If the embryo is miscarried, then it's natural - opposed to being sucked out by a vacuum. You say that it is your religious belief that life begins at conception. I don’t think you truly understand what that statement is saying. It is hypocitial to profess this while turning around and saying “It’s OK in certain circumstances.” That’s contradictory.

[lacaliffa1288]

@Patriarch00 I never said anything about "pre-life" or “It’s OK in certain circumstances.” so I don't appreciate your misleading attempt to attribute these quotes to me. My religious beliefs guide my behavior. I am not empowered by God to force others to follow my beliefs. Nor are you. I can and do try to provide resources that will help prevent unwanted pregnancies, abuse, rape, incest and other situations that place women in desperate situations that sometimes result in abortions.

[Patriarch00]

@lacaliffa1288 You're wrong again. The problem for these advocates is that all the scientific evidence points in precisely the opposite direction. Modern human embryology and developmental biology have shown that fertilization produces a new and distinct organism: a living individual of the human species in the embryonic stage of his development. There's no such thing as "pre-life".

[lacaliffa1288]

@Patriarch00 You overstate science to justify your belief that you have the authority to dictate decisions to others. Science defines an embryo as live cells in the early stages of development, human cells, not human beings. Those cells may stop developing for unknown reasons or due to trauma, including abortion. Science has not concluded that dividing cells have equal rights of a person who is born. 

[catburger100]

Center for Bio-Ethical Reform.