si macho.,camacho hubiera peliado con sugar en los tiempos de 1978 hubiera sido otra historia.,sugar es un guerrero aun en la actualidad y para mi quedo invicto cuando hector camacho., pelio con sugar fue en el 1997 osea fueron 20años despues de una gran batalla..sugar ya estaba viejo..para sugar es el mejor de los tiempo en pegada y en rapides..jajajajaj el era el relampago
Ray was NOT afraid and NOT overrated. He faught a smarter fight this time. Their first bout he stood tow to tow...and lost. Second fight, he thought of a better plan. Any smart fighter would do the same. Its about defense!!!
I do not take any credit from SRL, he is one of the best, but... Duran was a champiion, Ray - challanger. Ray was RUNNING all the time. Is this the way titles should be won? He did the same to Hagler.
I still can't believe there are people who think Duran was scared and that its is a legitimate reason. There is no way duran quit because of that. If anything he quit because some corrupt mob boss told him so. Leonard was never able to hurt or even stagger Duran whiule duran was able to inflict that type of damage on him.
Ray was afraid of DURAN.....period.Ray is vastly over-rated,that is a fact. the ref is there to make sure the fighters box....not run around like a little boy.
Duran should have remained a lightweight...despite the lack of competition. It was heartbreaking to see him bloat up to fight natural big men...sad. I was with Duran in person for 20-22 of his bouts.I speak from experience in the ring,the corner and promoting.
Ray was not running he was fighting his style, if you remember in the first fight he fought Durans style and did not fair to well, although I thought the first fight was a draw. Duran is a great fighter and as a great fighter you have to adjust your strategy to try and counter what your opponent is going to do. He did not do that, all he had to do was cut the ring off, but he chose to follow Ray around the ring and eat jabs and straight rights, Ray was one of the best boxing/punchers ever.
Ray was not running he was fighting his style, if you remember in the first fight he fought Durans style and did not fair to well, although I thought the first fight was a draw. Duran is a great fighter and as a great fighter you have to adjust your strategy to try and counter what your opponent is going to do. He did not do that, all he had to do was cut the ring off, but he chose to follow Ray around the ring and he jabs and straight rights, Ray was one of the best boxing/punchers in the game.
I agree with mystrol 13. I saw the fights in person.....ray did run around in circles to avoid being in a boxing match with roberto.i am reading yet another book on duran....more boxers admit they were never hit so hard as by duran. one mistake roberto had to make....moving up in weight to fight natural big men..sad,but that was then....it is history.
ROBERTO DURAN PARECE JUDICIAL MEXICANO JAJAJAJAJA NO EN VANO SU PADRE ES 100 % DE MEXICO Y EN ESTA PELEA SE VE QUE EL SUGAR FUE UN COYON PORQUE SABIA QUE SI PELEABA EN CORTO CON DURAN EL MANOS DE PIEDRA LE ROMPE LA MADRE NUEVAMENTEO POR ESO LO REHUYO COMO TODO NEGRO PUTO !!!
@bear022013 this is why boxing is losing it credentials every year to Ultimate fighting! ray just ran and survived like gayweather. duran whipped him the first time clearly so ray didnt want to box him again. he stayed away from duran. whittiker made a career out of this also.
no habra otro como tu roberto duran mano de piedra eres looooooooooo maximo en boxeo jamas le corriste a los puños de eso se tarat pue de pelear y no correr por el ring viva mano de piedra soy de peru y te admiro mano de piedra mi hijo lleva tu nombre en tu honor maestro.
Fue una buena época esa,con cuatro ases indiscutibles:Sugar Leonard,Mano de Piedra Durán,Tommy Hearns y Marvin Hagler.Es una delicia seguir los combates de esos cuatro,especialmente cuando se enfrentaban entre ellos.
Yeah Duran was to blame for blowing up in weight before the fight, leaving him drained. But the rematch was only ever gonna happen on Leonard's terms. He was a thief. He did the same to Hagler. He lost that fight but they gave it to him. Then he waited 3 years before offering Hagler a rematch. Yeah Leonard is a legend, but everybody got seduced by him. He never fought consistently like a true champ after the Hearns fight.
@Piglatinsuperstar Naw what fight was good was RJJ vs Danny Green..or vs Tarver there you see nice outclassing of overrated bum. Btw it's called boxing, not slugging if duram cant do anything about it tough break not srl fault. Srl game is just better than Duran game. Simple as that.
@BringerOfTheTruth Yes, is better because he forced Duran to fight him out of shape, SRL knew that he can beat Duran, that's why he cheated on this fight. Look the huge ring he demanded to be able to run from Duran like a girl.
@rickyp4ever lmao forced him to fight out of shape..rofl how cud he force him to do that. He cheated rofl damn seen many dumbasses but your the greatest dumbass ever
I told you Duran was out of shape BOTT. You are in the minority here. EVERYBODY knows that RL cannot beat Duran when he is in shape the first fight proved that. I didnt even give Ray the first round becuz all he did was run. but when he runs he does not deliver. he CANNOT do both at the same time like Norris does. BTW, I gave Roberto the first round. And Ray still misses with his right as much as he ever did
@Piglatinsuperstar Who is EVERYBODY ? I know plenty who dont "know" that. BTW, not being in shape was probably just an excuse he had, should he lose the fight. Typical, I see a relation between him and you, both liars. Maybe you even ARE him, i mean he was a fat pig and a latino too.
@Piglatinsuperstar it wasnt easy, he won but not easy, it was close,scores were 144-145,147-148,144-146, is that easy ?. And if he was in shape or not doesnt matter..he beat him, if he wasnt in shape, then we just dont KNOW if he can beat an in shape Duran. Just because you win the first, doesnt mean you will win the rm. In that case, Frazier woulda been 3-0 against Ali.
come on, even the writers at KO revealed that score was bogus. forget the even score. All we know is who would win IN SHAPE and that was Duran. Shit man, you have a 29 year old lightweight moving up two divisions and you cant handle him? Ray was the favorite! I'll say one thing tho; Ray did way #@%$ better than Palomino. Duran probably wouldve beat the crap out of most fighters except for Cuevas.
@Piglatinsuperstar And in my view Duran would have done the same thing to Cuevas. Pipino could hit, but he couldn't do much else. What Duran did to him in 1983 he would have done to Pipino at any stage of Cuevas' career.
As far as I know it's 2-1 to Ray over Duran, and 1-0-1 against Hearns. Beat Hagler as well. Duran lost to Hagler and didnt even last two rounds with Hearns. So Ray best.
Just like Duran was owned, like hearns was owned, like hags was owned..SRL OWNED THEM ALL..
Only lost when he was past it, but never did he lost like RJJ to every bum...RJJ losses to every crachwhore in the hood who wants to make a quick buck.
Dont recall that ray ever lost to a total bum like Green...only one that ever lost to him was ROID..why ? cause he sucks like hell and he cant handle fighters in their prime..figthers with POWER !
Duran beat Leonard's big time, people who don't know about boxing state that Leonard fought Duran's fight "WRONG" if you see when Leonard was tried to outbox Duran and uses his speed (from 1st to 4th round) Duran was beating his ass big time, Duran was landing clean, then Leonard or his corner realized that he got no game for Duran, he started used his bigger body and weight to hang on Duran's to ware him out, other wise Duran would of do the same he did to Moore.
you can call it "stick it up your ass" for all I care
fans dont like that shit. they didnt like it in uno mas thats why the fans boo his sorry ass
and that move only works on his carefully selected flat footed over the hill opponents but you put him in with someone who is quick on his feet and his fists and can punch sharp and Ray is a loser every time
Ask Norris. Ask Camacho
You be trying to come back with "what about Hearns" and I will respond with "but that's all he got"
up till then Ray dont show much skill. he take too long to look for openings. he had never faced a mover b-4. Ray doing gr8 but then Tommy give him more movement and OUTBOXED media darling round after round. Ray barely touch him rds 8-12. Ray finally caught him late against the ropes but not b/c of superior boxing; no, he had to come from BEHIND and take him out b/c he was losing so bad. In the words of Dundee "u blowing it son!"
@Piglatinsuperstar Really?? Come on dude, lets keep it clean. Desist with the insults. Okay??
So..You discount, Wilfred Benitez ....Tommy Hearns.... Roberto Duran...And when he fought Hagler, Ray had what, four years of ring rust and still out boxed him.
BOTT saying Leonard a better boxer than hearns but that is not what I saw. Boxing is one thing but there are two ways to win - on points and by knockout
coming from behind dont make you a better boxer
Norris a better boxer than Ray becuz he win on points. that fight wasnt even close. Maybe Ray would have done better in his early years but no way he wouldve won but like you said styles make fights and we cant win them all right?
@Piglatinsuperstar ..No coming from behind makes you a champion. Yes Hearns made some adjustments, because in the early going he tried to knock Leonard out. That didn't work so he turned boxer, after Leonard hurt him with a vicious left hook to the body in the 6th round. But his weak chin and inability clinch, cost him the fight.
yes, definitely. Tommy's inability to clinch hurt him along with his late round inexperience & weight
Tommy just did not have enough fights against quality fighters. I think Weston, Cuevas, and Curry were about the only ones. Shields was still functional too but no threat
Well, Ray DID say openly what he was going to do to Tommy, giving a pretty good description of how it would go for at least a portion of the fight
Would have loved to see a rematch (84 -85) and so would the public
LOl u keep rambling about 84-85 ? according to u ALL the fights should have been in these years..so it's like RL should have been there asking "are u prime now ? no..now then ? no ? what about now ? now then ? "
Fukken faggots just gotta take the change when it'¨s there...Hearns had the chance..later on in his so called prime as u said, he didnt show anything really..
Against hags he was just a skinny guy with pipecleaner thin legs getting KTFO.
Who won pig ? it's what matters..both in their prime and srl won..i know that you always want srl to fight hearns in 85 and Hagler in 84, just when it would have been perfect for them . BUt that is something you can say AFTER not in this moment. Right here, it was the two p4p best fighters,and SRL won the fight.
Strange how u never try to pick the best time for srl, it's always about the other ones have to have the advantage..but then again, u hate..so it's easy to understand.
Why does the tape have Ryan quoting Ray as saying "Sugar Ray said he was counting on the slowness of hagler, said that he'd lost a lot of speed"
Ray leoanrd fans just CANNOT come to terms with the fact that this has already been discussed openly on the aire so what's the use of this pretense???
Look, just becuz YOUR man got exposed for his weakness vs Norris.
Cuz ray said it it was true ? everyone else was thinking hags was unbeatable..3 years off, beats p4p....none can do it like SRL..lol roid best was againts RUIZ LOL
that's cuz all you did was read one article like the one they show on the video "Ray knocked to his senses"
Realistically speaking, many openly said that Ray would win including hearns. Out where I come from-LA the melting pot of all societies, I heard the same thing and even in magazine articles "hagler is ripe for a devestating defeat"
I suppose Ray's admission was confidential but it let's the rest of us know the true reason for the timing of this fight
En el combate de unos meses atras, cuando Duran es el que iba a quitar el titulo a Leonard, estaba muchisimo mejor preparado, entro al combate cuerpo a cuerpo y supo llevarle a su terreno. Cuando consiguió el titulo se pego esos meses previos de parranda y festival... asi no podia nunca ganar a Leonard, mas tecnico y mas rapido. Duran era una bestia golpeando y aguantando golpes, pero para todos pasa la factura el no entrenar suficiente.
I don't agree with Duran quiting, especially when he had his 8 million in the bank of Panama before the fight started which prevented the boxing comission from taking his money.
But it's funny how you call Duran the coward when it was Leonard who ran like a chicken all night. THE TRUE COWARD WAS LEONARD, ESPECIALLY WHEN ORDERED A FEW TIMES BY THE REF TO MIX IT UP. Leonard should have lost points for running and not fighting when feeling Duran's power in the fight. Boxing is 1 thing, running like a coward is another.
It's not running when u stick and move. Anytime you outland someone1 and land the cleaner punches it's impossible to run, its jus being defensivley oriented. Pure boxing
Ok boxing includes offense....it includes defense too...what kind of point is that...it's called ring generalship. Once you master it your game is complete..ask Ray robinson leonard and Ali
if you're saying that what leonard was doing in that 1st round involved offense, then I WONT ask him becuz that was just RUNNING. I'd say 95% running, 3% holding, and 2% actual offense. On offense, Ali had better output but slapped with his left hook and no body work. On defense needed alot of work. Ali was NOT the complete fighter. Robinson yes, Roy Jones, Marvin Hagler; these were what I would call complete fighters-100% on borh defesne & offense. No holes whatsoever
You dont know what youre talking about...besides Mayweather Ali is the most complete fighter of all time..So is leonard Whitaker ...robinson...Roy was NOT complete just super talented and far more athletic than everyone else..when he lost the extra step you saw the holes he had. You cant run in the square circle...unless you retreat cuz youre getting beat up and about get KOEd...theres a big difference. If you cant tell then I cant help u
where was the body work? Ali didnt throw body shots. Now take Roy Jones; Roy could drop a man with ONE body shot. Roy has KNOCKED OUT men with body shots. Also, Ali slapped with his left. He really had no left hook. Roy Jones could deliver SIX left hooks in one second. I've seen him. Plus he had power. Whitaker, Ali,,,they didnt have power. Ali was just sharp, which is what Norton once remarked
Ali didn't need body work..he's the boxer. The aggressor has to break down Ali's body to slow him down. It would be dumb for Ali to be that close. Ali doesnt have One hitter quitters..like the left hook. He was a volume puncher in his youth. Not one of his punches hurt you...all of them do. Roy btw didnt use his jab. The most basic punch and most common for a pure boxer to use. Huge flaw. He got away w it when he was younger, but when he was 33 it caught up 2 him
Robinson was a boxer, Hagler was a boxer but they were complete boxers with a complete offense and more complete defense. Complete fighters can go both ways, going to an opponent or boxing away from the opponent. When Ali had to take the fight to his man as we saw with Jimmy Young, he foundered. When Ray Leonard was forced to take on a faster younger fighter, he couldnt cope. Now Roy Jones dont need a jab. he is unique becuz he uses the right lead to counter the left jab & set up
his right lead makes the opponent gun shy and go into a shell. Roy's style is just unique but becuz of his talents it worked for him and became a dominant fighter. Back to Ali tho. I thought Ali did more with his career than Ray Leonard but Ray was a more complete fighter, especially on offense. Norris was even better in some ways but was plagued with other weaknesses. But if you dont use body shots, you are lacking on offense.
To me, complete fighters, examples would be Hagler & Jones. Those are the best recent examples. Ray Leonard was pretty complete except that he couldnt handle a mover with speed. I wouldnt hold it against Roy that his style was deficient once he went downhill becuz all fighters once it happens look like shit no matter their style. Pernell started losing in the mid 90s; style dont matter once you are washed up
a "mover" what the hell is that? Complete is being good or great in every category...and being versatile. Ray had that...thats why he beat someone like haglar some1 like Duran and some1 like Hearns...Roy was just way faster than everybody else. Once he was of normal speed or at least reasonably faster than everyone, we saw his flaws...and yes with age you start losing more but, once he peaked he was getting knocked out....badly...not leonard/Pee Wee/Ali
a mover is someone like a Micheal Nunn or Terry Norris, someone who is good on his feet, elusive, hard to hit. In addition, Mike was hard to hit even tho he was 6-1. he gave you nothing to hit and all you wound up doing is running str8 into his right jab. Mike was tricky plus he was dangerous and expertly set people up for his left hand
got to dissagree with you on that. Ray did not beat hagler for the reason you claimed and I can prove it. Go to round 6 in the last 20 seconds. People do not like when I bring it up but it explains everything, the timing of his comeback after 5 yrs. commentator Ryan gives him away saying "Sugar Ray said he was counting on the slowness of Hagler,, he said Hagler had lost a lot of speed". the Hagler u saw then and the Hagler of yrs before are two different fighters
the Hagler of years before I swear wasnt even human. he had the ability to fight at an inhuman pace, had an inhuman ability to take shots-NEVER off his feet. Later on he developed into a boxer and stayed that was a few years-very refined style (Sibson fight) then degenerated into a mechanical fighter once he slowed; no more fluid moves. When faced with Hearns he reverted back to his brawling style but still proved more effective at either brawling OR boxing than Tommy
I suggest you look at hagler-Minter. IMO hagler put fighters like Mayweather to shame. Once Hagler unleashed his full arsenal at once, the attack was so concentrated that minter was vaporized by the shockwave of the assault and the fight was over in seconds. Same thing in the Hearns fight when the Doc was checking the cut, Hagler exploded and ended the fight right then N there. Hagler had just annihilated the second best fighter out there. It had taken Tommy years to develop this far
@Piglatinsuperstar Haglar just came off an impressive win over Mugabi and a three round destruction of Hearns. Nobody and I mean NOBODY felt Haglar was even close to being shot going into that fight. Leonard went up in weight, came out of retirement, never took a single tune up fight and chose to fight Haglar the night of the Mugabe fight when Haglar looked incredible. Marvin had all the advantages...not Ray.
Marvin was heard telling Bernstein he wanted retirement (post fight Mugabi).
But no, Hagler did not appear awesome. His once awesome reflexes all but desserted him and he appeared worn like a week old baloon. This wasnt the Hagler of 1984 or 85 let alone the Sibson fight but rather a cheap imitation holding only a WBC title. As told to Tim Ryan by Leonard himself (rd.6) "SLR had said he was counting on the slowness of Hagler, he said that he lost alot of speed"
and since that's the case it cheapens it, having a fight come off years late. Not only was he too scared to take a fight w Hagler earlier but wouldnt even give a host Hagler a rematch. I could see he was already weasling out of a rematch in a Jim Hill interview a couple weeks later giving his excuse why he was giving up his title and avoiding any upcoming talent. Sure, Ray will face anyone on the way out anytime, but never on the way up. Then he actually starts pursuing lalonde
in a fight absolutely NO ONE is interested in. Instead of defending his title, he wimps out of that too and goes after some lug for TWO TITLES no less!
What a joke! One farce after the other. All he did was wreck the sport and send hagler out on a sour note. I was like "dude grow some balls and stop with the senior's tour already. Fight Nunn one of the other marquee fighters & PLEASE STOP WITH THE EXCUSES!". His opponent was either too lame or half dead which was his criteria for fighting u
@Piglatinsuperstar Leonard knew he couldn't knock Haglar out and figured out how to tactically beat him. After the Hearns fight alone Marvin looked unstoppable and was perfection against Mugabi! The fact is neither fighter was in their prime and Ray was only a shadow ( a competent one, but a shadow no less) of his prior glory. I called this fight before it happened and everyone thought I was nuts! Leonard faced and fought EVERY legend in his time. Ray was 31 and Marvin 33. Fuck Nunn.
yeah he figured out how to tactically beat him: wait a few yrs until he's headed for pasture THEN make the challenge. Marvin was anything BUT perfection. He took the worst beating of his career, his face sported goose egg sized lumps, his eyes were nearly closed, and he was pissing blood. Ask ringside Physician Flip Homansky. Prime Hagler, THE dominant fighter of his time, almost never got tagged clean and possessed the kind of defense the best fighters only dream of
why go thru the trouble of denying it? If you know that the audio portion reveals it, and you know it does, then just admit it. You could hear Clancy say it thruout "Hagler is so slow it's unbelievable". Even Ray himself says it so if I were a leonard fan I wouldnt try to pass it off like Ray deserves the credit. It's like someone who wished he could get the hottest girl in HS but he's too intimidated to make his move until she reaches the age of 40 after spitting out 5 kids
@Piglatinsuperstar Because Marvin never appeared slow prior to this fight and Clancy ALWAYS hated Leonard and was bias. Marvin only looked slow because he was frustrated from the opening bell and kept switching from orthodox to southpaw. Why he didn't attack Ray like he did Hearns is all about ego! He said prior to the fight "I'm faster then Ray, I'll outbox Ray"....dumb!
nothing you can do can change the fact that Ray already confessed to commentator Ryan and then Tim let the cat out of the bag-right on the tape itself. Thanks Tim for your honesty! I even saw Ray on TV walk up to Roldan on the steps of Caesar's (who would fight on the undercard) and saying "thanks for softening him up for me buddy"
No, Ray did not have what it took to beat Hagler and hence the delay of several years. His main problem was an inability to handle speed
once you bring in a fighter with good all around skills, and movement, that changes the whole complexion of the fight. Look at what happened in the Norris fight which by the way, I called right down to the resulting shut out. Sure Ray shines vs. slower ravaged types or Lalonde types but put him in with speedster Nunn or Norris types and he's a loser every time. I hear Ray was a bit past it by then but even so, he should have been able to still win if Ray is half the fighter you say
@Piglatinsuperstar So did I, Leonard had just dominated the welter division against some of THE greatest fighters in the sport and Terry was what 21, in his prime and went on to do what?
He went on to whip your boy thoroughly, that's what! When it came down to it and we could finally see how good Ray was, he failed the test. Terry was better in every phase of the game. Look how many defences Terry set-the record in his own division. How many did ray make at 154? 0. @ 160? The typical number: 0. @ 168? Again, 0. And 175? 0.
My man outdid yours in more than one way and notice that when he whipped him, it wasnt even close
I mean I liked Ray too but he just didnt do enough. He didnt like to take fights, he didnt like rematches and when it came to the Hagler fight in 82, sure he talked a good game but he kept backing out time and again. Great fighters dont back out of fights that way. I dont like the way he avoided Hagler & Nunn. It looks very bad. And he really shouldve been able to beat Norris. At least he had the guts to take that fight, he just wasnt good enough to win it
Thise were the top five. Even tho Ray won the first fight in 81, hearns held him to a draw in the rematch. Tommy would have won had the fight been held around 84-87 but by 89 he was just to worn and damaged from the various knockouts he had suffered. I was kind of surprised the rematch was sold at worthwhile prices and came across as very mediocre but with Ray you have to expect this sort of timing.
hagler gets in on merit of being nominated as p4p king 4 consecutive times, ahead of Mike Spinks. Marvin was already best p4p in 83 after the Scypion fight, and light years ahead of #2 man. The Hearns fight was just the cherry on top even in decline. he did it better that SRL
Spinks is more well rounded than Pryor, but Pryor has a win up there with hagler's 1985 win, only a little lower. 1984 Tommy had finally peaked that year and was #2. Only Hagler could prove to be his superior
@Piglatinsuperstar The rematch?! Terry Norris?! You're on crack dude. the ONLY thing Norris will EVER be remembred for in the sport of boxing is beating an old Ray Leaonard and a blown out Meldric Taylor. The rematch was a joke between two fighters long past their prime. They fought IN THIER PRIME and it was one of the greatest bouts in history! Wait, didn't you say Hearns told the bag boy that he was "Too tired to fight that night" or "Out of shape"....something like that.
you mean the big favorite Ray Leonard don't you? The one no expert gave Terry a chance of beating. Ray leonard, 5 divison champion. Ray Leonard, unbeaten in 11 years. And by the way, Ray really WAS perfect in his last fight. They said he he was "aboslutely magnificent"
Truth hurts when your man's on the recieving end and some up and comer makes a fool of him. fact is, Terry with his speed, made Ray look like a man in a clumsy suit trying to imitate a boxer.
One of the greatest fight in history? NO WAY! Even watching it live I hadnt thought that. Pryor Arguello, Hagler-Hearns, Mancini Kim could fit that bill but Leonard hearns 1 was only a good fight, not a great one. The fight was too one sided with Tommy giving Ray fits with his movement until Ray's practice of throwing wild haymakers finally paid off. Until then I didnt really see anything special coming from him. The inside pumelling he gave Tommy in round 6 was good tho
@Piglatinsuperstar I saw footage of Haglar in a retail store the night before the Leonard fight and he said"I'm in the greatest shape of my life, faster then ever and will win by knockout".....true story, just like your's and you saying that Hearns Leonard wasn't one of THE greatest bouts in history puts it in about the .02 percent class....makes sense. That fight shifted three times! Hearns was dead on his feet after the sixth and needed three rounds to rally back, but what do I know.
For a guy that stand 6-1, weighing in at 145 isnt healthy and DEFINITELY the main factor in the outcome. I still believe Ray wouldve had him hurt but Tommy woulda won by points. Remember, with his simple stick & move approach was wayyyy ahead. Think what what Norris wouldve done to him
fact is, Ray was down to his best weight of 154, not carrying all the extra pounds vs lalonde, hadn't lost in over 11 years, was PERFECT in his last fight, taking only 1 clean shot, wasnt suffering from any lengthy layoffs, and STILL couldnt put up a fight. never mind winning the fight, he couldnt win a round! Ray couldnt handle too many problems that a multifaceted fighter like Nunn or Norris could present to him all at once. I can see why it was necessary for him to put Hagler aside for 5 yrs
@Piglatinsuperstar All this lame ass "Ray said this in a bar one night" is pure speculation without an ounce of merit and it's obvious you make this shit up as you go along. Even if he said that it was Rays way of telling that guy "Good Fight". Did Marvin walk up to Hearns and say "Thanks' for softening him up for me buddy"? Had they fought earlier Leonard would had won even easier because Haglars problem was that Ray figured him out and knew how to beat him, so keep thinking up excuses.
Hardly excuses. Go hear it yourself-round 6 last 20 sec. Ray worked for HBO. and hearing it from Tim Ryan over the aire is not hearsay; Tim is a close friend of Ray's and has no credibility issues. neither does Clancy. Don't blame Gil for his honesty and telling it like it is. And no, Marvin did not say such things to Tommy becuz Marvin been trying to get Ray the chicken hearted in the ring since 82. Dont blame Marvin for Ray's lack of courage
The Mugabi fight had been postponed for 3 months. Remember? From Nov 85 to Mar. 86. hagler had suffered various ailments including a broken nose and had serious back problems. Even before the broken nose, hagler said he wanted a postponement. One fan wrote in a KO issue titled "from KOs to chaos saying "these are signs that Hagler is deteriorating rapidly and in serious decline. I wish hagler would do himself a favor and forget the Mugabi fight & just retire"
@joeclemm15 now check this out: in the 80s, Hagler was voted best p4p starting in 1982 and with a record 147/150 votes. He did this 4 consecutive times in the same decade of Ray leonard (1 time) & Hearns (1 time). I had actually pegged hagler the best going back to 1980 even tho marvin had just won his title late that year. Same with Roy Jones who won the award at least 6 times. I have him wniing it ten times becuz he was better than Oscar or Pernell
I liked Micheal Nunn too. he was a southpaw like Hagler was. Mike was slick, quick, and his punches made opponents sick. Mike was hard to hit becuz he make it so that you just run into his jab. he gave u nothing to hit. His fight with Kalambay was AWESOME! I like guys like Mike who can bang, box & move
I have to disagree. I the first fight Leonard traded with him all night in the pocket. Leonard showed courage just like Duran. In this fight he changed his gameplan and worked on the outside, I wouldn't call it running, it's part of boxing. Both boxers must be respected.
lo que le hizo a duran fue peor que nockearlo...lo torturo...jugo como un gato juega cuando agarra a una rata...yo siendo duran prefiero que me pegue una y me deje nockeado en el piso y no que me pasee por todos lados para despues darme vuelta...
Amigo si usted no sabe sobre boxeo por favor no opine, su opinion no es necesaria, si es cierto leonard era bueno pero roberto duran fue mucho mejor que el muchos mas como por ejemplo: mayweather, vargas, hopkins, mayorga.
no es todo acerca de la pegada, la caballerosidad tambien cuanta.
Algunas ves viste a duran corriendo en una de sus peleas ?
oye efravi tu hablas de bicicleta pero leonard no la nesecita eres tu que la nesecitas jodio gordo de MIERDA!!!!!JAJAJAJA HEY SUCK MY BALLS YOU FAT BITCHS!
estupidos todos!! sugar ray leonard es mil veces mejor que duran!aprendan del boxeo y despues hablen sugar ray se movia como muhammed ali (sugar ray leonard boxiadol completo medalla de oro y todo!!!!!!!!!!!y dura que?no estoy disiendo que el no es bueno porque si es bueno!!so all your fucking bitches stop talking shit about sugar ray leonard he was one of the best!!!
vete al carajo, jodido mamahuevo! Durán demostró serr mejor que Leonard cuando Leonard estaba en su mejor momento, en la cúspide de su carrera, a los 23 años, lo demás es basura, porque en la segunda pelea Leonard era un payaso y estaba montado en una bicicleta, y en la tercera ya era el ocaso de las carreras de ambos! La primera es la que realmente vale, pendejo mamahuevo, anda a escupir tus estupidos comentarios en el excusado de tu casa, ahuevao!
efravi25......a ti te conviene que cuente solamente la primera pelea entre duran y leonard, y te entiendo, tu solo quieres ver lo que te conviene y vivir tu vida enga~ado. pero la verdad es esta, roberto duran era peleador y no boxeador y el que sabe de boxeo sabe. leonard cometio un error en pelearle a duran cuerpo a cuerpo y ahi si te soy sincero que duran es una de los mejores de todos los tiempos, pero boxeando era flojo, cualquiera que tuviera buen boxeo lo toreaba y facilmente
yo no hablo de boxeo con la inmensa mayoria del publico latinoamericano........yo hablo de boxeo con los que saben ! .........y eso es lo que te falta aprender a ti, que me parece que eres un fanatico del 2000 para aca......o estas ciego y nunca vistes pelear a duran.......tengo el presentimiento que lo que tu has visto de duran es lo que ves en youtube
yo vi pelear a Durán desde niño y en vivo! Y la verdad, es que el público lo reconoce como lo que es, la inmensa mayoría, tú no eres la inmensa mayoría por eso no tengo nada de que preocuparme! Conozco a Durán mejor que tú porque soy panameño!
al decir que eres panameno, tu mismito te contestas y te preguntas, tu y tu mente estan parcializados a que duran es mas grande que DIOS, estas bien equivocado, y si tu conoces a duran como dices ...tienes que aceptar que el no boxeaba y que tecnicos, como benitez, hearns y leonard entre otros....lo paseaban y facilmente, cuando le boxeaban bien y con tecnica se encabronada, eso de los calambres del NO MAS eso fue que sabia que leonard lo iba a pasear con su boxeo y ridiculizarlo y se quito
fijate bien en este video como leonard lo torea, eso es boxear y con tecnica....eso del calambre fue mentira y tu lo sabes, se quito pues estaba haciendo el ridiculo.....yo acepto que es uno de los mas grandes latinos en el boxeo, pero tienen que aceptar que cuando le boxeaban con tecnica era una perra.
oh yea just dont 4get roberto duran started at lightweight he was unbeaten for 10 years till he moved up in weight class and won many diffrent tittles and was the first to beat sugar ray in the first fight the fight that always counts because the rematch is the rematch is go hard or go home, nd i believe what roberto duran said about the rematch his stomach was messed up, if he beat him one time wouldnt be hard to beat him again.lol
es dificil analizar una pelea cuando no se tiene conocimiento del arte de golpear y que no te golpeen, la mentalidad de ciertas personas es de cavernicolas si el ring se hace de ese tamaño es para usarlo, Leonard tenia la capacidad para pelear en cualquier estilo y asi lo demostro en la primera pelea,lamentablemente Duran no tenia esas capacidades y solamente fue un simple fajador que dependio toda su vida de la fuerza bruta,
Digan lo que digan, Sugar no corrio, volo ante Duran, no tuvo en ningun momento deseo, ni capacidad, para enfrentar al astro panameño, una cosa es la tecnica y otra cosa es pretender justificar con esta el pendejismo.
Bueno como veo hay muchos fanaticos del "Manos de Piedra".
No crean q yo no soy fanatico de este monstruo del boxeo.
Solo digo que en esta segunda pelea Sugar Ray uso la velocidad estrategia y provocacion (ya que estudio a Duran y sabia que le molestaba q le correteen, ya que el era de "palo x palo").
Eso no significa que sea un negro cagon y payaso, elaboro una buena tecnica, ya que el era tecnico, no un fajador como Roberto.
En fin lo metio en su juego y en mi opinion, tambien es un grande
Roberto Manos De Piedra Duran, en boxeo lo mejor que ha dado latinoamerica, lástima que parrandeaba como ningún otro. Bajo como 50 libras para esta pelea y aún así Leonard que era mucho más grande tuvo que subirse en su bicicleta y payasear para ganar.
grande mano de piedra, ojala nunca mas hubiese peleado de nuevo con sugar ray (negro payaso) y prestarse al circo que monto despues sugar ray tomo por dinero
pince negro sacaton
fabsthevamp 1 week ago
si macho.,camacho hubiera peliado con sugar en los tiempos de 1978 hubiera sido otra historia.,sugar es un guerrero aun en la actualidad y para mi quedo invicto cuando hector camacho., pelio con sugar fue en el 1997 osea fueron 20años despues de una gran batalla..sugar ya estaba viejo..para sugar es el mejor de los tiempo en pegada y en rapides..jajajajaj el era el relampago
Gaby33417 1 month ago
Los pájaros no comen donde los leones duermen. Eso lo tenía bien claro SRL.
Nachotkd11 5 months ago
Ray was NOT afraid and NOT overrated. He faught a smarter fight this time. Their first bout he stood tow to tow...and lost. Second fight, he thought of a better plan. Any smart fighter would do the same. Its about defense!!!
wingchundragon 6 months ago
@wingchundragon
I do not take any credit from SRL, he is one of the best, but... Duran was a champiion, Ray - challanger. Ray was RUNNING all the time. Is this the way titles should be won? He did the same to Hagler.
RobotechMacrossGame 6 months ago
I still can't believe there are people who think Duran was scared and that its is a legitimate reason. There is no way duran quit because of that. If anything he quit because some corrupt mob boss told him so. Leonard was never able to hurt or even stagger Duran whiule duran was able to inflict that type of damage on him.
te2kbgo91 6 months ago
Gayweather lol,lol
bear022013 7 months ago
Ray was afraid of DURAN.....period.Ray is vastly over-rated,that is a fact. the ref is there to make sure the fighters box....not run around like a little boy.
Duran should have remained a lightweight...despite the lack of competition. It was heartbreaking to see him bloat up to fight natural big men...sad. I was with Duran in person for 20-22 of his bouts.I speak from experience in the ring,the corner and promoting.
bear022013 7 months ago
Ray was not running he was fighting his style, if you remember in the first fight he fought Durans style and did not fair to well, although I thought the first fight was a draw. Duran is a great fighter and as a great fighter you have to adjust your strategy to try and counter what your opponent is going to do. He did not do that, all he had to do was cut the ring off, but he chose to follow Ray around the ring and eat jabs and straight rights, Ray was one of the best boxing/punchers ever.
mshook007 7 months ago
Ray was not running he was fighting his style, if you remember in the first fight he fought Durans style and did not fair to well, although I thought the first fight was a draw. Duran is a great fighter and as a great fighter you have to adjust your strategy to try and counter what your opponent is going to do. He did not do that, all he had to do was cut the ring off, but he chose to follow Ray around the ring and he jabs and straight rights, Ray was one of the best boxing/punchers in the game.
mshook007 7 months ago
I agree with mystrol 13. I saw the fights in person.....ray did run around in circles to avoid being in a boxing match with roberto.i am reading yet another book on duran....more boxers admit they were never hit so hard as by duran. one mistake roberto had to make....moving up in weight to fight natural big men..sad,but that was then....it is history.
bear022013 7 months ago
ROBERTO DURAN PARECE JUDICIAL MEXICANO JAJAJAJAJA NO EN VANO SU PADRE ES 100 % DE MEXICO Y EN ESTA PELEA SE VE QUE EL SUGAR FUE UN COYON PORQUE SABIA QUE SI PELEABA EN CORTO CON DURAN EL MANOS DE PIEDRA LE ROMPE LA MADRE NUEVAMENTEO POR ESO LO REHUYO COMO TODO NEGRO PUTO !!!
CARGANETAS 7 months ago
thats ween sports was a sport
bubbatvbitch 8 months ago
sugar lo parte a pacciano
XxXxb3t0xXxX 8 months ago
Leonard would not fight then or either fight he ran...he was/is afraid of Duran!
Look how leonard ties Roberto up all the time. It is called BOXING not running.leonard is a coward.
bear022013 9 months ago
@bear022013 this is why boxing is losing it credentials every year to Ultimate fighting! ray just ran and survived like gayweather. duran whipped him the first time clearly so ray didnt want to box him again. he stayed away from duran. whittiker made a career out of this also.
mystrol3 7 months ago
robert duran THE MAN
pensocad 9 months ago
no habra otro como tu roberto duran mano de piedra eres looooooooooo maximo en boxeo jamas le corriste a los puños de eso se tarat pue de pelear y no correr por el ring viva mano de piedra soy de peru y te admiro mano de piedra mi hijo lleva tu nombre en tu honor maestro.
adan3923 10 months ago
NO MAS PLEASE NO MORE WHAT A HOMO LOL
bertelliish 11 months ago
@bertelliish duran no dijo eso eso lo dijo fue un periodista amigo de leonard...
pensocad 8 months ago in playlist boxeo
everytime duran comes in leonard just grabs like the bitch that he is
vwazp 1 year ago
typical bitch boxing by leonard
vwazp 1 year ago
Fue una buena época esa,con cuatro ases indiscutibles:Sugar Leonard,Mano de Piedra Durán,Tommy Hearns y Marvin Hagler.Es una delicia seguir los combates de esos cuatro,especialmente cuando se enfrentaban entre ellos.
evalmo 1 year ago
a fix
Schrittwieser 1 year ago
what the fuck is this
younglex100 1 year ago
Yeah Duran was to blame for blowing up in weight before the fight, leaving him drained. But the rematch was only ever gonna happen on Leonard's terms. He was a thief. He did the same to Hagler. He lost that fight but they gave it to him. Then he waited 3 years before offering Hagler a rematch. Yeah Leonard is a legend, but everybody got seduced by him. He never fought consistently like a true champ after the Hearns fight.
jakeenan 1 year ago
You call this boxing?
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar Both got boxing gloves, boots and shorts and punching each other in the face...yep i would say this is definatly boxing!
123jokaa 1 year ago
looks like a monkey with his glove up his ass and making like a rabbit
We saw this same horrible display in 89
BTW, his fight with Norris was much better. Now THAT'S boxing!
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar Naw what fight was good was RJJ vs Danny Green..or vs Tarver there you see nice outclassing of overrated bum. Btw it's called boxing, not slugging if duram cant do anything about it tough break not srl fault. Srl game is just better than Duran game. Simple as that.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth Yes, is better because he forced Duran to fight him out of shape, SRL knew that he can beat Duran, that's why he cheated on this fight. Look the huge ring he demanded to be able to run from Duran like a girl.
rickyp4ever 1 year ago
@rickyp4ever lmao forced him to fight out of shape..rofl how cud he force him to do that. He cheated rofl damn seen many dumbasses but your the greatest dumbass ever
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth
I told you Duran was out of shape BOTT. You are in the minority here. EVERYBODY knows that RL cannot beat Duran when he is in shape the first fight proved that. I didnt even give Ray the first round becuz all he did was run. but when he runs he does not deliver. he CANNOT do both at the same time like Norris does. BTW, I gave Roberto the first round. And Ray still misses with his right as much as he ever did
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar Who is EVERYBODY ? I know plenty who dont "know" that. BTW, not being in shape was probably just an excuse he had, should he lose the fight. Typical, I see a relation between him and you, both liars. Maybe you even ARE him, i mean he was a fat pig and a latino too.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth
why would Duran think he'd lose? He won the first fight easily enough
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar it wasnt easy, he won but not easy, it was close,scores were 144-145,147-148,144-146, is that easy ?. And if he was in shape or not doesnt matter..he beat him, if he wasnt in shape, then we just dont KNOW if he can beat an in shape Duran. Just because you win the first, doesnt mean you will win the rm. In that case, Frazier woulda been 3-0 against Ali.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth
come on, even the writers at KO revealed that score was bogus. forget the even score. All we know is who would win IN SHAPE and that was Duran. Shit man, you have a 29 year old lightweight moving up two divisions and you cant handle him? Ray was the favorite! I'll say one thing tho; Ray did way #@%$ better than Palomino. Duran probably wouldve beat the crap out of most fighters except for Cuevas.
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar And in my view Duran would have done the same thing to Cuevas. Pipino could hit, but he couldn't do much else. What Duran did to him in 1983 he would have done to Pipino at any stage of Cuevas' career.
vidnut67 8 months ago
wow totally different duran to 1st fight. amazing a lightweight moving up in weight stalking a big natural welter.
me1we1 1 year ago
holy shit! you guys are arguing here too?
wow.......
InternationalBoy 1 year ago
NOW THAT is what I call OWNED!!!!
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
ok as long as ur only real "weapon" is Camacho, it doesnt matter..Ray took care of them all, Hags, Tommy, Duran, Benitez.,...best resume ever
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth duran best leonard, leonard even admitted hearns beat leonard in 2nd fight and he stole it from hagler
theman1819 1 year ago
stfu pig
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@BringerOfTheTruth nice comeback...
theman1819 1 year ago
As far as I know it's 2-1 to Ray over Duran, and 1-0-1 against Hearns. Beat Hagler as well. Duran lost to Hagler and didnt even last two rounds with Hearns. So Ray best.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Remember Green ? now THAT is ownage !! OWNED !!!!
Just like Duran was owned, like hearns was owned, like hags was owned..SRL OWNED THEM ALL..
Only lost when he was past it, but never did he lost like RJJ to every bum...RJJ losses to every crachwhore in the hood who wants to make a quick buck.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Dont recall that ray ever lost to a total bum like Green...only one that ever lost to him was ROID..why ? cause he sucks like hell and he cant handle fighters in their prime..figthers with POWER !
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Duran beat Leonard's big time, people who don't know about boxing state that Leonard fought Duran's fight "WRONG" if you see when Leonard was tried to outbox Duran and uses his speed (from 1st to 4th round) Duran was beating his ass big time, Duran was landing clean, then Leonard or his corner realized that he got no game for Duran, he started used his bigger body and weight to hang on Duran's to ware him out, other wise Duran would of do the same he did to Moore.
rickyp4ever 1 year ago
Duran was an all time great. But he never EVER had the boxing skills that Leonard had.
Duran relied always on ferocity but leonard relied on smart boxing and quicker hand and foot movements.
SirHappyThe1st 2 years ago
@SirHappyThe1st
Duran had more skill and talent than Leonard yo.. Leonard just ran all day. He was too afraid to mix it up.
duveimperial 2 years ago
that's fine with the rest of us becuz Ray Leonard was just a runner
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
It's called " stick and move."
fitnessfreak90201 1 year ago
you can call it "stick it up your ass" for all I care
fans dont like that shit. they didnt like it in uno mas thats why the fans boo his sorry ass
and that move only works on his carefully selected flat footed over the hill opponents but you put him in with someone who is quick on his feet and his fists and can punch sharp and Ray is a loser every time
Ask Norris. Ask Camacho
You be trying to come back with "what about Hearns" and I will respond with "but that's all he got"
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
Ray owned him
He was the better boxer
Ask Hearns
Ask Hagler
For RJJ ask who was the better Puncher
Ask Green
Ask Tarver
Ask Johnson
Ask Calzaghe
And you can soon ask B hop
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Hearns outboxed Ray in the first fight, that's why he was ahead. Remember, stupid?
Hearns aint going to tell us lies and neither is hagler. Neither is Norris or Camacho
Ray aint no Roy Jones either. In your dreams only
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
Hearns outboxed, then got koed..ray wore him down remember stupid ?
Nah, he aint no norris and camacho and he dont have to use Roids. He is leaps and bounds ahead.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Ray had two good rounds-6 and 7
up till then Ray dont show much skill. he take too long to look for openings. he had never faced a mover b-4. Ray doing gr8 but then Tommy give him more movement and OUTBOXED media darling round after round. Ray barely touch him rds 8-12. Ray finally caught him late against the ropes but not b/c of superior boxing; no, he had to come from BEHIND and take him out b/c he was losing so bad. In the words of Dundee "u blowing it son!"
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
you damn right he aint no Norris or Camacho. they both kicked his ass remember?
man to man, mano a mano, that's all that counts!
Roy Jones wouldve destroyed Ray too becuz he got that speed that make ray afaidRoy would knock leonard out with a body shot
not that the fight would ever come off tho becuz Ray would duck him too
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
you just look dumber and dumber by the minute, its incredible.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar Really?? Come on dude, lets keep it clean. Desist with the insults. Okay??
So..You discount, Wilfred Benitez ....Tommy Hearns.... Roberto Duran...And when he fought Hagler, Ray had what, four years of ring rust and still out boxed him.
fitnessfreak90201 1 year ago
BOTT saying Leonard a better boxer than hearns but that is not what I saw. Boxing is one thing but there are two ways to win - on points and by knockout
coming from behind dont make you a better boxer
Norris a better boxer than Ray becuz he win on points. that fight wasnt even close. Maybe Ray would have done better in his early years but no way he wouldve won but like you said styles make fights and we cant win them all right?
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar ..No coming from behind makes you a champion. Yes Hearns made some adjustments, because in the early going he tried to knock Leonard out. That didn't work so he turned boxer, after Leonard hurt him with a vicious left hook to the body in the 6th round. But his weak chin and inability clinch, cost him the fight.
fitnessfreak90201 1 year ago
yes, definitely. Tommy's inability to clinch hurt him along with his late round inexperience & weight
Tommy just did not have enough fights against quality fighters. I think Weston, Cuevas, and Curry were about the only ones. Shields was still functional too but no threat
Well, Ray DID say openly what he was going to do to Tommy, giving a pretty good description of how it would go for at least a portion of the fight
Would have loved to see a rematch (84 -85) and so would the public
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
LOl u keep rambling about 84-85 ? according to u ALL the fights should have been in these years..so it's like RL should have been there asking "are u prime now ? no..now then ? no ? what about now ? now then ? "
Fukken faggots just gotta take the change when it'¨s there...Hearns had the chance..later on in his so called prime as u said, he didnt show anything really..
Against hags he was just a skinny guy with pipecleaner thin legs getting KTFO.
Lol so dumb ur..its beyond belief
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
aint our fault ray "missed" all the action
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
Ok missed what action ? he fought them all, except Mike "Totally forgotten bum" Nunn..
Hagler ? Hearns ? Duran ? Benitez ? beat them all..
ROID was KOED by bums, and bullied himself to a socalled championship at HW against the worst champ EVER..RUIZ..
HOW LAME AND WEAK IS THAT..I MEAN.......RUUUIIIZZZ ROOOOOFFFFL
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
OMG! "What action" he says!
half the decade stupid!! - that action!
BTW, Camacho beat them all-everyone from jr lightweight to middleweight
Mancini, Boza Edwards, Limon, Pazienza, Haugen, Ramirez, Rosario, Duran
Did I ever mention the time he knocked out Ray leonard and humbled his olympic team mate Howard Davis?
That is more like it!! what you call a resume! he had better defense and hand speed too
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
Who won pig ? it's what matters..both in their prime and srl won..i know that you always want srl to fight hearns in 85 and Hagler in 84, just when it would have been perfect for them . BUt that is something you can say AFTER not in this moment. Right here, it was the two p4p best fighters,and SRL won the fight.
Strange how u never try to pick the best time for srl, it's always about the other ones have to have the advantage..but then again, u hate..so it's easy to understand.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Hagler in his prime?
Why does the tape have Ryan quoting Ray as saying "Sugar Ray said he was counting on the slowness of hagler, said that he'd lost a lot of speed"
Ray leoanrd fans just CANNOT come to terms with the fact that this has already been discussed openly on the aire so what's the use of this pretense???
Look, just becuz YOUR man got exposed for his weakness vs Norris.
In other words,,
...it was the SPEED that beat him!!!
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
Cuz ray said it it was true ? everyone else was thinking hags was unbeatable..3 years off, beats p4p....none can do it like SRL..lol roid best was againts RUIZ LOL
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
that's cuz all you did was read one article like the one they show on the video "Ray knocked to his senses"
Realistically speaking, many openly said that Ray would win including hearns. Out where I come from-LA the melting pot of all societies, I heard the same thing and even in magazine articles "hagler is ripe for a devestating defeat"
I suppose Ray's admission was confidential but it let's the rest of us know the true reason for the timing of this fight
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
Dont drink so much, none can understand u no more
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
Btw it was the POWER That beat ROID..
The P-O-W-E-R of GREEN
Now stfu loser
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
duran didn,t know about those boxing moves . most ppl think thats just chuking & jivin but thats street tactics from the hood.
garychldress74 2 years ago
@garychldress74 .......chuking & jivin...lol
mushembo1 2 years ago
@garychldress74
And he got all that running from the hood too. right?
duveimperial 2 years ago
Hey don't blame Leonard for fighting a smarter fight. If Duran couldn't adjust to Leonard's style, than who's fault is that??
fitnessfreak90201 1 year ago
Manos de Quitos
BringerOfTheTruth 2 years ago
Duran se dejó llevar por las parrandas
renox1982 2 years ago
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lol at fatty duran,No mas,No mas.What a complete and utter coward
how could this border hopping spic ever look into the eyes of his family
and country man after the way he disgraced himself? A disgrace to boxing
and a disgrace to humanity,Hopefully fatty duran drops dead soon,So we won't
ever hear from this overrated fat piece of shit ever again
ricflarefucknsucks 2 years ago
En el combate de unos meses atras, cuando Duran es el que iba a quitar el titulo a Leonard, estaba muchisimo mejor preparado, entro al combate cuerpo a cuerpo y supo llevarle a su terreno. Cuando consiguió el titulo se pego esos meses previos de parranda y festival... asi no podia nunca ganar a Leonard, mas tecnico y mas rapido. Duran era una bestia golpeando y aguantando golpes, pero para todos pasa la factura el no entrenar suficiente.
Rubenesky 2 years ago
quit like a coward
ricflarefucknsucks 2 years ago
I don't agree with Duran quiting, especially when he had his 8 million in the bank of Panama before the fight started which prevented the boxing comission from taking his money.
celtibero1000 2 years ago
But it's funny how you call Duran the coward when it was Leonard who ran like a chicken all night. THE TRUE COWARD WAS LEONARD, ESPECIALLY WHEN ORDERED A FEW TIMES BY THE REF TO MIX IT UP. Leonard should have lost points for running and not fighting when feeling Duran's power in the fight. Boxing is 1 thing, running like a coward is another.
celtibero1000 2 years ago
And Holyfield shouldn't have used his head and made Tyson bite his ear off.
Let's just go through boxing history and whenever a boxer acts disgracefully, we'll just blame his opponent.
Jecipe 2 years ago
It's not running when u stick and move. Anytime you outland someone1 and land the cleaner punches it's impossible to run, its jus being defensivley oriented. Pure boxing
joeclemm15 2 years ago 7
@joeclemm15
naw bro. lets face it, that was running. boxing includes offesne, not just putting mileage on your shoes
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar
Ok boxing includes offense....it includes defense too...what kind of point is that...it's called ring generalship. Once you master it your game is complete..ask Ray robinson leonard and Ali
joeclemm15 1 year ago
@joeclemm15
if you're saying that what leonard was doing in that 1st round involved offense, then I WONT ask him becuz that was just RUNNING. I'd say 95% running, 3% holding, and 2% actual offense. On offense, Ali had better output but slapped with his left hook and no body work. On defense needed alot of work. Ali was NOT the complete fighter. Robinson yes, Roy Jones, Marvin Hagler; these were what I would call complete fighters-100% on borh defesne & offense. No holes whatsoever
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar
You dont know what youre talking about...besides Mayweather Ali is the most complete fighter of all time..So is leonard Whitaker ...robinson...Roy was NOT complete just super talented and far more athletic than everyone else..when he lost the extra step you saw the holes he had. You cant run in the square circle...unless you retreat cuz youre getting beat up and about get KOEd...theres a big difference. If you cant tell then I cant help u
joeclemm15 1 year ago
@joeclemm15
where was the body work? Ali didnt throw body shots. Now take Roy Jones; Roy could drop a man with ONE body shot. Roy has KNOCKED OUT men with body shots. Also, Ali slapped with his left. He really had no left hook. Roy Jones could deliver SIX left hooks in one second. I've seen him. Plus he had power. Whitaker, Ali,,,they didnt have power. Ali was just sharp, which is what Norton once remarked
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar
Ali didn't need body work..he's the boxer. The aggressor has to break down Ali's body to slow him down. It would be dumb for Ali to be that close. Ali doesnt have One hitter quitters..like the left hook. He was a volume puncher in his youth. Not one of his punches hurt you...all of them do. Roy btw didnt use his jab. The most basic punch and most common for a pure boxer to use. Huge flaw. He got away w it when he was younger, but when he was 33 it caught up 2 him
joeclemm15 1 year ago
@joeclemm15
Robinson was a boxer, Hagler was a boxer but they were complete boxers with a complete offense and more complete defense. Complete fighters can go both ways, going to an opponent or boxing away from the opponent. When Ali had to take the fight to his man as we saw with Jimmy Young, he foundered. When Ray Leonard was forced to take on a faster younger fighter, he couldnt cope. Now Roy Jones dont need a jab. he is unique becuz he uses the right lead to counter the left jab & set up
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
his right lead makes the opponent gun shy and go into a shell. Roy's style is just unique but becuz of his talents it worked for him and became a dominant fighter. Back to Ali tho. I thought Ali did more with his career than Ray Leonard but Ray was a more complete fighter, especially on offense. Norris was even better in some ways but was plagued with other weaknesses. But if you dont use body shots, you are lacking on offense.
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@joeclemm15
To me, complete fighters, examples would be Hagler & Jones. Those are the best recent examples. Ray Leonard was pretty complete except that he couldnt handle a mover with speed. I wouldnt hold it against Roy that his style was deficient once he went downhill becuz all fighters once it happens look like shit no matter their style. Pernell started losing in the mid 90s; style dont matter once you are washed up
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar
a "mover" what the hell is that? Complete is being good or great in every category...and being versatile. Ray had that...thats why he beat someone like haglar some1 like Duran and some1 like Hearns...Roy was just way faster than everybody else. Once he was of normal speed or at least reasonably faster than everyone, we saw his flaws...and yes with age you start losing more but, once he peaked he was getting knocked out....badly...not leonard/Pee Wee/Ali
joeclemm15 1 year ago
@joeclemm15
a mover is someone like a Micheal Nunn or Terry Norris, someone who is good on his feet, elusive, hard to hit. In addition, Mike was hard to hit even tho he was 6-1. he gave you nothing to hit and all you wound up doing is running str8 into his right jab. Mike was tricky plus he was dangerous and expertly set people up for his left hand
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@joeclemm15
got to dissagree with you on that. Ray did not beat hagler for the reason you claimed and I can prove it. Go to round 6 in the last 20 seconds. People do not like when I bring it up but it explains everything, the timing of his comeback after 5 yrs. commentator Ryan gives him away saying "Sugar Ray said he was counting on the slowness of Hagler,, he said Hagler had lost a lot of speed". the Hagler u saw then and the Hagler of yrs before are two different fighters
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
the Hagler of years before I swear wasnt even human. he had the ability to fight at an inhuman pace, had an inhuman ability to take shots-NEVER off his feet. Later on he developed into a boxer and stayed that was a few years-very refined style (Sibson fight) then degenerated into a mechanical fighter once he slowed; no more fluid moves. When faced with Hearns he reverted back to his brawling style but still proved more effective at either brawling OR boxing than Tommy
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
I suggest you look at hagler-Minter. IMO hagler put fighters like Mayweather to shame. Once Hagler unleashed his full arsenal at once, the attack was so concentrated that minter was vaporized by the shockwave of the assault and the fight was over in seconds. Same thing in the Hearns fight when the Doc was checking the cut, Hagler exploded and ended the fight right then N there. Hagler had just annihilated the second best fighter out there. It had taken Tommy years to develop this far
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar Haglar just came off an impressive win over Mugabi and a three round destruction of Hearns. Nobody and I mean NOBODY felt Haglar was even close to being shot going into that fight. Leonard went up in weight, came out of retirement, never took a single tune up fight and chose to fight Haglar the night of the Mugabe fight when Haglar looked incredible. Marvin had all the advantages...not Ray.
justentime77 1 year ago
@justentime77
Marvin was heard telling Bernstein he wanted retirement (post fight Mugabi).
But no, Hagler did not appear awesome. His once awesome reflexes all but desserted him and he appeared worn like a week old baloon. This wasnt the Hagler of 1984 or 85 let alone the Sibson fight but rather a cheap imitation holding only a WBC title. As told to Tim Ryan by Leonard himself (rd.6) "SLR had said he was counting on the slowness of Hagler, he said that he lost alot of speed"
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@justentime77
and since that's the case it cheapens it, having a fight come off years late. Not only was he too scared to take a fight w Hagler earlier but wouldnt even give a host Hagler a rematch. I could see he was already weasling out of a rematch in a Jim Hill interview a couple weeks later giving his excuse why he was giving up his title and avoiding any upcoming talent. Sure, Ray will face anyone on the way out anytime, but never on the way up. Then he actually starts pursuing lalonde
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
in a fight absolutely NO ONE is interested in. Instead of defending his title, he wimps out of that too and goes after some lug for TWO TITLES no less!
What a joke! One farce after the other. All he did was wreck the sport and send hagler out on a sour note. I was like "dude grow some balls and stop with the senior's tour already. Fight Nunn one of the other marquee fighters & PLEASE STOP WITH THE EXCUSES!". His opponent was either too lame or half dead which was his criteria for fighting u
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar Leonard knew he couldn't knock Haglar out and figured out how to tactically beat him. After the Hearns fight alone Marvin looked unstoppable and was perfection against Mugabi! The fact is neither fighter was in their prime and Ray was only a shadow ( a competent one, but a shadow no less) of his prior glory. I called this fight before it happened and everyone thought I was nuts! Leonard faced and fought EVERY legend in his time. Ray was 31 and Marvin 33. Fuck Nunn.
justentime77 1 year ago
@justentime77
yeah he figured out how to tactically beat him: wait a few yrs until he's headed for pasture THEN make the challenge. Marvin was anything BUT perfection. He took the worst beating of his career, his face sported goose egg sized lumps, his eyes were nearly closed, and he was pissing blood. Ask ringside Physician Flip Homansky. Prime Hagler, THE dominant fighter of his time, almost never got tagged clean and possessed the kind of defense the best fighters only dream of
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@justentime77
why go thru the trouble of denying it? If you know that the audio portion reveals it, and you know it does, then just admit it. You could hear Clancy say it thruout "Hagler is so slow it's unbelievable". Even Ray himself says it so if I were a leonard fan I wouldnt try to pass it off like Ray deserves the credit. It's like someone who wished he could get the hottest girl in HS but he's too intimidated to make his move until she reaches the age of 40 after spitting out 5 kids
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar Because Marvin never appeared slow prior to this fight and Clancy ALWAYS hated Leonard and was bias. Marvin only looked slow because he was frustrated from the opening bell and kept switching from orthodox to southpaw. Why he didn't attack Ray like he did Hearns is all about ego! He said prior to the fight "I'm faster then Ray, I'll outbox Ray"....dumb!
justentime77 1 year ago
@justentime77
nothing you can do can change the fact that Ray already confessed to commentator Ryan and then Tim let the cat out of the bag-right on the tape itself. Thanks Tim for your honesty! I even saw Ray on TV walk up to Roldan on the steps of Caesar's (who would fight on the undercard) and saying "thanks for softening him up for me buddy"
No, Ray did not have what it took to beat Hagler and hence the delay of several years. His main problem was an inability to handle speed
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
once you bring in a fighter with good all around skills, and movement, that changes the whole complexion of the fight. Look at what happened in the Norris fight which by the way, I called right down to the resulting shut out. Sure Ray shines vs. slower ravaged types or Lalonde types but put him in with speedster Nunn or Norris types and he's a loser every time. I hear Ray was a bit past it by then but even so, he should have been able to still win if Ray is half the fighter you say
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar So did I, Leonard had just dominated the welter division against some of THE greatest fighters in the sport and Terry was what 21, in his prime and went on to do what?
justentime77 1 year ago
@justentime77
He went on to whip your boy thoroughly, that's what! When it came down to it and we could finally see how good Ray was, he failed the test. Terry was better in every phase of the game. Look how many defences Terry set-the record in his own division. How many did ray make at 154? 0. @ 160? The typical number: 0. @ 168? Again, 0. And 175? 0.
My man outdid yours in more than one way and notice that when he whipped him, it wasnt even close
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@justentime77
I mean I liked Ray too but he just didnt do enough. He didnt like to take fights, he didnt like rematches and when it came to the Hagler fight in 82, sure he talked a good game but he kept backing out time and again. Great fighters dont back out of fights that way. I dont like the way he avoided Hagler & Nunn. It looks very bad. And he really shouldve been able to beat Norris. At least he had the guts to take that fight, he just wasnt good enough to win it
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@justentime77
This is how I rate the top fighters of the 80s:
Hagler #1
Spinks
Pryor
Hearns
leonard
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
Thise were the top five. Even tho Ray won the first fight in 81, hearns held him to a draw in the rematch. Tommy would have won had the fight been held around 84-87 but by 89 he was just to worn and damaged from the various knockouts he had suffered. I was kind of surprised the rematch was sold at worthwhile prices and came across as very mediocre but with Ray you have to expect this sort of timing.
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
hagler gets in on merit of being nominated as p4p king 4 consecutive times, ahead of Mike Spinks. Marvin was already best p4p in 83 after the Scypion fight, and light years ahead of #2 man. The Hearns fight was just the cherry on top even in decline. he did it better that SRL
Spinks is more well rounded than Pryor, but Pryor has a win up there with hagler's 1985 win, only a little lower. 1984 Tommy had finally peaked that year and was #2. Only Hagler could prove to be his superior
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar The rematch?! Terry Norris?! You're on crack dude. the ONLY thing Norris will EVER be remembred for in the sport of boxing is beating an old Ray Leaonard and a blown out Meldric Taylor. The rematch was a joke between two fighters long past their prime. They fought IN THIER PRIME and it was one of the greatest bouts in history! Wait, didn't you say Hearns told the bag boy that he was "Too tired to fight that night" or "Out of shape"....something like that.
justentime77 1 year ago
you mean the big favorite Ray Leonard don't you? The one no expert gave Terry a chance of beating. Ray leonard, 5 divison champion. Ray Leonard, unbeaten in 11 years. And by the way, Ray really WAS perfect in his last fight. They said he he was "aboslutely magnificent"
Truth hurts when your man's on the recieving end and some up and comer makes a fool of him. fact is, Terry with his speed, made Ray look like a man in a clumsy suit trying to imitate a boxer.
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@justentime77
Taylor? Washed up at 25 and carrying a title? HOW? Would someone please explain this to me? Don't you mean AFTER his fight with Norris?
That's what taking your lumps from Norris does to a man. Unlike Leonard, Terry really could deal with the speedsters
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@justentime77
One of the greatest fight in history? NO WAY! Even watching it live I hadnt thought that. Pryor Arguello, Hagler-Hearns, Mancini Kim could fit that bill but Leonard hearns 1 was only a good fight, not a great one. The fight was too one sided with Tommy giving Ray fits with his movement until Ray's practice of throwing wild haymakers finally paid off. Until then I didnt really see anything special coming from him. The inside pumelling he gave Tommy in round 6 was good tho
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar I saw footage of Haglar in a retail store the night before the Leonard fight and he said"I'm in the greatest shape of my life, faster then ever and will win by knockout".....true story, just like your's and you saying that Hearns Leonard wasn't one of THE greatest bouts in history puts it in about the .02 percent class....makes sense. That fight shifted three times! Hearns was dead on his feet after the sixth and needed three rounds to rally back, but what do I know.
justentime77 1 year ago
@justentime77
For a guy that stand 6-1, weighing in at 145 isnt healthy and DEFINITELY the main factor in the outcome. I still believe Ray wouldve had him hurt but Tommy woulda won by points. Remember, with his simple stick & move approach was wayyyy ahead. Think what what Norris wouldve done to him
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar you so stupid bitch lol
bertelliish 10 months ago
fact is, Ray was down to his best weight of 154, not carrying all the extra pounds vs lalonde, hadn't lost in over 11 years, was PERFECT in his last fight, taking only 1 clean shot, wasnt suffering from any lengthy layoffs, and STILL couldnt put up a fight. never mind winning the fight, he couldnt win a round! Ray couldnt handle too many problems that a multifaceted fighter like Nunn or Norris could present to him all at once. I can see why it was necessary for him to put Hagler aside for 5 yrs
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@Piglatinsuperstar All this lame ass "Ray said this in a bar one night" is pure speculation without an ounce of merit and it's obvious you make this shit up as you go along. Even if he said that it was Rays way of telling that guy "Good Fight". Did Marvin walk up to Hearns and say "Thanks' for softening him up for me buddy"? Had they fought earlier Leonard would had won even easier because Haglars problem was that Ray figured him out and knew how to beat him, so keep thinking up excuses.
justentime77 1 year ago
@justentime77
Hardly excuses. Go hear it yourself-round 6 last 20 sec. Ray worked for HBO. and hearing it from Tim Ryan over the aire is not hearsay; Tim is a close friend of Ray's and has no credibility issues. neither does Clancy. Don't blame Gil for his honesty and telling it like it is. And no, Marvin did not say such things to Tommy becuz Marvin been trying to get Ray the chicken hearted in the ring since 82. Dont blame Marvin for Ray's lack of courage
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@justentime77
The Mugabi fight had been postponed for 3 months. Remember? From Nov 85 to Mar. 86. hagler had suffered various ailments including a broken nose and had serious back problems. Even before the broken nose, hagler said he wanted a postponement. One fan wrote in a KO issue titled "from KOs to chaos saying "these are signs that Hagler is deteriorating rapidly and in serious decline. I wish hagler would do himself a favor and forget the Mugabi fight & just retire"
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@joeclemm15 now check this out: in the 80s, Hagler was voted best p4p starting in 1982 and with a record 147/150 votes. He did this 4 consecutive times in the same decade of Ray leonard (1 time) & Hearns (1 time). I had actually pegged hagler the best going back to 1980 even tho marvin had just won his title late that year. Same with Roy Jones who won the award at least 6 times. I have him wniing it ten times becuz he was better than Oscar or Pernell
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
I liked Micheal Nunn too. he was a southpaw like Hagler was. Mike was slick, quick, and his punches made opponents sick. Mike was hard to hit becuz he make it so that you just run into his jab. he gave u nothing to hit. His fight with Kalambay was AWESOME! I like guys like Mike who can bang, box & move
Piglatinsuperstar 1 year ago
@joeclemm15 I don't understand why people say its running when often times the "runner" lands more of the punches in the fight.
ironman36 1 year ago
I have to disagree. I the first fight Leonard traded with him all night in the pocket. Leonard showed courage just like Duran. In this fight he changed his gameplan and worked on the outside, I wouldn't call it running, it's part of boxing. Both boxers must be respected.
mmstoute 2 years ago
Que buenas peleas en esas decadas. Que boxeadores por dios. Gracias por el video. Saludos.
stimpy2007 2 years ago 3
lo que le hizo a duran fue peor que nockearlo...lo torturo...jugo como un gato juega cuando agarra a una rata...yo siendo duran prefiero que me pegue una y me deje nockeado en el piso y no que me pasee por todos lados para despues darme vuelta...
colorfill 2 years ago
como alguien le puede decir cagon a una persona que baja los brazos y le pone la cara a un tipo como hagler como duran que pegan como un caballo???
leonard lo humillo a duran...lo manejo como un titere...en el boxeo no es solo pegar...
colorfill 2 years ago
Es mano de piedra porque pega duro?
Pero yo veo que no es muy rápido y como hace para pegar tan duro como dicen :S
JMSB92 2 years ago
Cuando no entrenas, te ganan y y, es bien sencillo
andresgonzalez1426 2 years ago
Amigo si usted no sabe sobre boxeo por favor no opine, su opinion no es necesaria, si es cierto leonard era bueno pero roberto duran fue mucho mejor que el muchos mas como por ejemplo: mayweather, vargas, hopkins, mayorga.
no es todo acerca de la pegada, la caballerosidad tambien cuanta.
Algunas ves viste a duran corriendo en una de sus peleas ?
daly1775 2 years ago
oye efravi tu hablas de bicicleta pero leonard no la nesecita eres tu que la nesecitas jodio gordo de MIERDA!!!!!JAJAJAJA HEY SUCK MY BALLS YOU FAT BITCHS!
rikimarudevil 2 years ago
estupidos todos!! sugar ray leonard es mil veces mejor que duran!aprendan del boxeo y despues hablen sugar ray se movia como muhammed ali (sugar ray leonard boxiadol completo medalla de oro y todo!!!!!!!!!!!y dura que?no estoy disiendo que el no es bueno porque si es bueno!!so all your fucking bitches stop talking shit about sugar ray leonard he was one of the best!!!
rikimarudevil 2 years ago
vete al carajo, jodido mamahuevo! Durán demostró serr mejor que Leonard cuando Leonard estaba en su mejor momento, en la cúspide de su carrera, a los 23 años, lo demás es basura, porque en la segunda pelea Leonard era un payaso y estaba montado en una bicicleta, y en la tercera ya era el ocaso de las carreras de ambos! La primera es la que realmente vale, pendejo mamahuevo, anda a escupir tus estupidos comentarios en el excusado de tu casa, ahuevao!
efravi25 2 years ago
efravi25......a ti te conviene que cuente solamente la primera pelea entre duran y leonard, y te entiendo, tu solo quieres ver lo que te conviene y vivir tu vida enga~ado. pero la verdad es esta, roberto duran era peleador y no boxeador y el que sabe de boxeo sabe. leonard cometio un error en pelearle a duran cuerpo a cuerpo y ahi si te soy sincero que duran es una de los mejores de todos los tiempos, pero boxeando era flojo, cualquiera que tuviera buen boxeo lo toreaba y facilmente
frsantiago2009 2 years ago
bueno, que puedo decir: que gracias a Dios la inmnsa mayoría del público latinoamericano no piensa como tú, esa es la verdad!
efravi25 2 years ago
yo no hablo de boxeo con la inmensa mayoria del publico latinoamericano........yo hablo de boxeo con los que saben ! .........y eso es lo que te falta aprender a ti, que me parece que eres un fanatico del 2000 para aca......o estas ciego y nunca vistes pelear a duran.......tengo el presentimiento que lo que tu has visto de duran es lo que ves en youtube
frsantiago2009 2 years ago
yo vi pelear a Durán desde niño y en vivo! Y la verdad, es que el público lo reconoce como lo que es, la inmensa mayoría, tú no eres la inmensa mayoría por eso no tengo nada de que preocuparme! Conozco a Durán mejor que tú porque soy panameño!
efravi25 2 years ago
al decir que eres panameno, tu mismito te contestas y te preguntas, tu y tu mente estan parcializados a que duran es mas grande que DIOS, estas bien equivocado, y si tu conoces a duran como dices ...tienes que aceptar que el no boxeaba y que tecnicos, como benitez, hearns y leonard entre otros....lo paseaban y facilmente, cuando le boxeaban bien y con tecnica se encabronada, eso de los calambres del NO MAS eso fue que sabia que leonard lo iba a pasear con su boxeo y ridiculizarlo y se quito
frsantiago2009 2 years ago
fijate bien en este video como leonard lo torea, eso es boxear y con tecnica....eso del calambre fue mentira y tu lo sabes, se quito pues estaba haciendo el ridiculo.....yo acepto que es uno de los mas grandes latinos en el boxeo, pero tienen que aceptar que cuando le boxeaban con tecnica era una perra.
frsantiago2009 2 years ago
jajaja duran es mucho mejor que ese pepero boxeador...... tu no sabes ni pio , tu lo unico q sabes es criticar te repito, no sabes ni pio
AbelinBukero 2 years ago
no lik-e El Hoto ray leonard-O
Get off-o his jock strapid-O
Jo-Jo Guerrrrrrrra
Piglatinsuperstar 2 years ago
oh yea just dont 4get roberto duran started at lightweight he was unbeaten for 10 years till he moved up in weight class and won many diffrent tittles and was the first to beat sugar ray in the first fight the fight that always counts because the rematch is the rematch is go hard or go home, nd i believe what roberto duran said about the rematch his stomach was messed up, if he beat him one time wouldnt be hard to beat him again.lol
jballinakamelo15 2 years ago
por eso Duran es el que tiene el ranking mas alto; considerado #5 por Ring Magazine en la historia del boxeo.
judaschongo 2 years ago
comoquiera Duran fue uno de mis favoritos pues no habra nadie con mas corazon y voluntad que el
a67k16n13 2 years ago
es dificil analizar una pelea cuando no se tiene conocimiento del arte de golpear y que no te golpeen, la mentalidad de ciertas personas es de cavernicolas si el ring se hace de ese tamaño es para usarlo, Leonard tenia la capacidad para pelear en cualquier estilo y asi lo demostro en la primera pelea,lamentablemente Duran no tenia esas capacidades y solamente fue un simple fajador que dependio toda su vida de la fuerza bruta,
a67k16n13 2 years ago 2
Digan lo que digan, Sugar no corrio, volo ante Duran, no tuvo en ningun momento deseo, ni capacidad, para enfrentar al astro panameño, una cosa es la tecnica y otra cosa es pretender justificar con esta el pendejismo.
alessandros00 2 years ago
ESTA PELA ES UN CLASICO
rogerivan27 2 years ago
sugar ray kkk
ficou com medo do duran
arriusyan 2 years ago
Fijense en las distancia que hay entre los boxeadores... aqui Leonard no vino a pelear si no a correr.
6400az 2 years ago
diras arreves panameño+mexicano el papa era de alla pero mas panameño no es porque nacio aqui y vivió mayor parte de su vida aqui.
didier16w 2 years ago
Bueno como veo hay muchos fanaticos del "Manos de Piedra".
No crean q yo no soy fanatico de este monstruo del boxeo.
Solo digo que en esta segunda pelea Sugar Ray uso la velocidad estrategia y provocacion (ya que estudio a Duran y sabia que le molestaba q le correteen, ya que el era de "palo x palo").
Eso no significa que sea un negro cagon y payaso, elaboro una buena tecnica, ya que el era tecnico, no un fajador como Roberto.
En fin lo metio en su juego y en mi opinion, tambien es un grande
CLZ00945 3 years ago
si sé, por qué ?
nomellegaelmensaje 3 years ago
sugar ray !! negro cabron .. deberias haberte dedicado a bailar
nomellegaelmensaje 3 years ago
con todo respeto....¿sabes lo que es el boxeo?....solo eso
fabmusicman4 3 years ago 2
nadie como muhamed ali, siempre los de color somos los mejores musicos y deportistas, escondan su trasero blanquitos... jajaja
ciclorockman 3 years ago
mano di piedra duran, golpea con la derecha a sugar ray leonard, yeah, manou de piedra duran
zayitas69 3 years ago
======MEXICANO+PANAMENO=====aunque mas panameno saludos
TILLIX3 3 years ago
mano de piedra siempre fuè lejos mucho mas que ese negro payaso y correlòn de sugar ray leonard.
cigarro33peru 3 years ago
Roberto Manos De Piedra Duran, en boxeo lo mejor que ha dado latinoamerica, lástima que parrandeaba como ningún otro. Bajo como 50 libras para esta pelea y aún así Leonard que era mucho más grande tuvo que subirse en su bicicleta y payasear para ganar.
edtam6 3 years ago
yo diria Duran y Monzon, los mas grandes que a dado latinoamerica!
judaschongo 3 years ago
sugar ray leonard is the best
kawasakis9 3 years ago
grande mano de piedra, ojala nunca mas hubiese peleado de nuevo con sugar ray (negro payaso) y prestarse al circo que monto despues sugar ray tomo por dinero
chukiford 3 years ago
it says 'voices of larry holmes, les keiter, & don king'. when did those guys learn to speak spanish so well like that?
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...........what does that mean?
Boxer2333333333333 3 years ago