@naruto15441 By inner struggle do you mean corny and unrealistic monologue. And the Kai dub is made by FUNimation so "the funimation" could refer to either one.
Well, 16's dialogue really disappointed me, I really preferred the original Z dialogue there, and like everyone else I was disappointed by the music choice. However, I really dislike "Spirit vs Spirit" which IMO is one of the worst cases of insert songs in anime. Just my opinion.
I dont how i feel about the music i miss the ripped off movie music but this music is just there not great or bad is just there but without music in the background it gives this scene a serious tone instead of epic which i like it gives the show a more mature feel
@054martinm I'm watching japanese z now on the dragon boxes but I still want a proper dbz in my native language. We were so close to having the perfect english dbz but Toei had to ruin it by lazily using random tracks for the score.
@sonikku956 Yes it's proper as in official. Good on the other hand, I don't think so. I think we can all agree that Toei could have done a much better job.
Kai's first version was better. GODLY better. this just gave a feeling of fear that Gohan has over his own dormant power and forshadows how violent and ruthless Gohan becomes after unleashing that power and killing the cell juniors. the scream was INCREDIBLE though. i have a feeling it's gonna be redone in the boxsets :) alot of stuff always is. why didn't the keep the original KAI song!? damn. in Bruce Almighty's (Nolan) words, Toei," you SUCK!"
@1stnaruto That was a insert song and wasn't plagiarized, FUNimation and TOEI wont run risk of putting any of kenji's work in the releases, it just won't happen.
This scene was specifically animated for the song "Spirit vs Spirit"
watch?v=CncprLa_E-c
The DBZ dub screwed it up with a pointless monologue (In the old dub Gohan says "I loved you 16" despite having never even seen 16 before that very day) and it screwed it up by changing the music
The Kai dub finally dubs the scene correctly, but Toei fucks it up by choosing bad music for the scene
@SerenGetter: I agree but Gohan never said he loved 16. He did ramble on about how 16 loved life and was just an android though. Someone should put Spirit vs Spirit in the background for this scene because playing it at same time on yt just isn't enough.
@SerenGetter Either one of the songs (Kai/Z) would've been great for the scene. Instead, they use same old music. It's like Toei went out of their way to suck the epic out of this scene.
without the music its not the same.seriously the high point of today was the episode of bardock special. that whole scene in the end was way better than this. i love kai but without the music it feels empty without emotion. what really dragged it down was the music they chose which was extremely overused, i honestly think kai should have just taken a long break and gotten a new soundtrack. listen to episode of bardock it has a great soundtrack this just ruined it. good yell though.
The Epicness is greatly reduced because of the shitty music choice. The original Kai version of this scene was the most epic scene in the entire show and the music played a huge role in that...
This whole music scandal thing really decreased kai's epicness, such a shame even the orignal Z version of this is better....
@TheWhiz93 haha You really think a ten yr old is suppossed to sound like a fucking little girl? just because you talked liked a girl doesnt mean every boy did
@SerenGetter Agreed! Any of the other two songs would have been great as the performances and everything else was perfect this time around. But something's always gotta give, I guess.
@DBKaiFANSonGokuRises IMO, the original japanese music was better. The song with the lyrics. Why did they take it out? right now this scene sounds a bit plain
I really loved this scene. I like the voice filter they did with 16, plus the long scream that echoed in the backround when Gohan was screaming was a nice touch too. :)
" Better than I thought it would be but it'll be even better uncut." So WHY didn't you wait for the uncut verison? I mean seriously Nicktoons couldn't even have the balls to show Cell crushing Android 16's head!!! I don't completely hate DBZ Kai like every other DBZ fan that watched the show on Cartoon Network, but this scene is still dog shit. So when are you going to add your epic music into this scene AniNationReborn?
It's a shame they removed the crushing noise of 16's head, would've been perfect to add with Gohan's reaction shot. Other than that, though, pretty much what you'd expect.
@gamefreakin That's not the point. They could've played the sound during the second when they showed Gohan's reaction. You know, right before they showed 16's parts scatter? Instead of after Cell made his comment, where its placement made no sense? Nicktoons simply told them what to censor, Funimation decides HOW it's censored and goof'd.
@Avpsagaman old dub announcer sounded like a cheesy pro wrestler and if you think that sounds any better than this announcer than I don't know what to say.
Lol. I watched this scene thousands of times in the original version, but despite that I was confused about what happened when just a few gears fell to the ground. xD
At least a crunching sound would help, or at least show cells foots shadow over his head
Nicktoons could of easily done a better job with 16's death, simular with Ultimate Tenkaichi, look's like I'll have to do some edit's and upload my version of this scene...
@Janemba800 Well they were supposed to insert a awesome music piece here before the music got replaced after episode 64 (the japanese version of this scene has the unreplaced music, so check that out if you want too hear it)
If you look at the Z version of this scene, it is much longer with staring and stuff. They cut this scene by a lot for Kai, so I don't think SVS would have worked here.
@TheOfficialGoten It's still simple to cut a song down, it's not hard to find the length you need for a scene. I do it all the time with my songs for specific scenes.
16 with the voice filter was a nice touch not included in the original. Such a shame thought that they removed the Ozaru roar that was in the Japanese version.
gohan turning ssj2 is epiic in the original nothing will come close
darknight516 1 day ago
I was the absolute FIRST person to upload Nicktoons Eng. Dub SSJ2 Gohan in Kai
I was like 1-2 weeks before another clip was uploaded of SS2 Kai
But being barely known, it only has 45 views since I first uploaded it (2 minutes after the 10:00 showing)
cameronrm07 5 days ago
....they cut it in the wrong places.. i swear.
eyebal 1 week ago
No Day of destiny spirit vs spirit? Ughhhhh....I love that song :(
VideoGameResearcher 1 week ago
Is this nicktoons?
gokuvegetabatle 2 weeks ago
hey i made an uncut version of this scene, plz put it in ur video responses :)
CustomVideoEditingV2 1 month ago
Stop bitching about the music you lamos, just wait for DBZ Kai Part 8 and everyone will do their own music placement.
I like this BGM for Gohan SSJ2, but there was better BGMs to choose from.
DBKaiFANSonGokuRises 1 month ago 4
the funimation was so much better it had a way better scream and it showed gohan inner stuggle after 16 was crushed
naruto15441 1 month ago
@naruto15441 By inner struggle do you mean corny and unrealistic monologue. And the Kai dub is made by FUNimation so "the funimation" could refer to either one.
GohanDaimaoZ 1 month ago
@naruto15441 It showed a bunch of useless dialouge that stated what everyone else already knew.
Ashurathehedgehog196 1 month ago
@naruto15441 This is Funimation
JH504577 2 weeks ago
that scream was incredible
kiddswagg2011 1 month ago
Also the transformation in the next episode is way better, nexus it shows him, ya know, transforming.....
crims0nblazer 1 month ago
Kai gohan - Z gohan Kai did way better rage screams for everybody pretty much...
crims0nblazer 1 month ago
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This is the first yell that Colleen did that didnt make Gohan sound like a bitch or rape my precious ear drums.
hotwhire 2 months ago
Tried this scene with Baldur's Gate 2 Bhawlspawn battle music. And it fit better than what the placement here was in my opinion.
SSJProtecter 2 months ago
The music is still superior to Faulconer, but not great. The placement is ghastly.
shadowluma 2 months ago
Well, 16's dialogue really disappointed me, I really preferred the original Z dialogue there, and like everyone else I was disappointed by the music choice. However, I really dislike "Spirit vs Spirit" which IMO is one of the worst cases of insert songs in anime. Just my opinion.
DerangedManiac12 2 months ago
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@DerangedManiac12 but his new speech sounds more intelligent.
hotwhire 2 months ago
Toei is so fucking stupid sometimes.
calmsnowfall 2 months ago
Anination, PLEASE make an alternate version of this with different music.
calmsnowfall 2 months ago
@calmsnowfall check the video responses;)
VegetaX9001 2 months ago
I don't know what everybody is talking about, the music choice was amazing
ImmaGohanKai 2 months ago
Yeah, they could definitely have done a better job choosing a Kikuchi piece to play with this. And the edit to the footage makes it seem awkward.
mtpenguin1 2 months ago
I dont how i feel about the music i miss the ripped off movie music but this music is just there not great or bad is just there but without music in the background it gives this scene a serious tone instead of epic which i like it gives the show a more mature feel
zman1234ful 2 months ago
That's stupid, they didn't even play the sound so people new to DBZ won't know what happened!
Megaman33570 2 months ago
@Megaman33570 You can hear it when Gohan's standing there in shock, they just put it in the wrong spot.
MetroidJunkie2007 2 months ago
@MetroidJunkie2007 oh your right
Megaman33570 2 months ago
I long for the day when someone edits the entire Kai series with the proper score because this is just shameful.
DoubleAG1 2 months ago
@DoubleAG1 or you could just watch japanese z
054martinm 2 months ago
@054martinm I'm watching japanese z now on the dragon boxes but I still want a proper dbz in my native language. We were so close to having the perfect english dbz but Toei had to ruin it by lazily using random tracks for the score.
DoubleAG1 2 months ago
@DoubleAG1 This IS the proper score.
sonikku956 2 months ago
@sonikku956 Yes it's proper as in official. Good on the other hand, I don't think so. I think we can all agree that Toei could have done a much better job.
DoubleAG1 2 months ago
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too bad the music wasn't original.
eliasz0002 2 months ago
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with out bruce faulconers music, it just sucks.
swbfwarrior 2 months ago
@swbfwarrior I'm a faulconer fan, but i'd say that the original faulconer placement wasn't really any better. They could have used a far better song
Janemba800 2 months ago
took long
AyJayG002 2 months ago
Yamamoto's score was way better than the replacement score they choice. It was my fave music for Gohan's ssj2 transformation out of all the others
ultimatedbzgtdbfan 2 months ago
I played Spirit vs Spirit while playing this and it was awesome! The only problem is that on the Z version is slower and the Kai version goes faster.
SSJProtecter 2 months ago
If only it had Spirit vs Spirit instead. This scene would have been beast with it. Or even the plagurized Yamamoto score would have fit here too.
TheWhiz93 2 months ago
Kai's first version was better. GODLY better. this just gave a feeling of fear that Gohan has over his own dormant power and forshadows how violent and ruthless Gohan becomes after unleashing that power and killing the cell juniors. the scream was INCREDIBLE though. i have a feeling it's gonna be redone in the boxsets :) alot of stuff always is. why didn't the keep the original KAI song!? damn. in Bruce Almighty's (Nolan) words, Toei," you SUCK!"
1stnaruto 2 months ago
@1stnaruto Because the music composer for kai plagiarized some songs and the song used for kai when gohan turns ssj2 will never be released.
UltimateGOKUX 2 months ago
@UltimateGOKUX we all know that. They kept the song that trunks' voice actor sings when trunks fights cell which is strange
1stnaruto 2 months ago
@1stnaruto That was a insert song and wasn't plagiarized, FUNimation and TOEI wont run risk of putting any of kenji's work in the releases, it just won't happen.
UltimateGOKUX 2 months ago
@UltimateGOKUX oh well
1stnaruto 2 months ago
@1stnaruto Kenji Yamamoto is a cheap ass. He has always plagiarized songs without getting caught.
Battle Point Unlimited=Propaganda
Hatred at 2 Power=Bullet for my valentines
and dozen of other soundtracks. He's scum but I'm impressed he got this far.
UltimateGOKUX 2 months ago
@UltimateGOKUX atleast not all of the Kai songs were plagarized
1stnaruto 2 months ago
And the song Gohans anger was what made this scene epic in Z.. Without Gohans Anger the scene is shit. Fkn kai
ibrahim2431 2 months ago
@ibrahim2431
"Spirit vs Spirit" was what made this scene
This scene was specifically animated for the song "Spirit vs Spirit"
watch?v=CncprLa_E-c
The DBZ dub screwed it up with a pointless monologue (In the old dub Gohan says "I loved you 16" despite having never even seen 16 before that very day) and it screwed it up by changing the music
The Kai dub finally dubs the scene correctly, but Toei fucks it up by choosing bad music for the scene
Its like we'll never get the scene right
SerenGetter 2 months ago
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ThexDynastxQueen 2 months ago
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@SerenGetter: I agree but Gohan never said he loved 16. He did ramble on about how 16 loved life and was just an android though. Someone should put Spirit vs Spirit in the background for this scene because playing it at same time on yt just isn't enough.
ThexDynastxQueen 2 months ago
@SerenGetter just watch the original japanese Kai version. that one is the best.
1stnaruto 2 months ago
@SerenGetter Either one of the songs (Kai/Z) would've been great for the scene. Instead, they use same old music. It's like Toei went out of their way to suck the epic out of this scene.
MetroidJunkie2007 2 months ago
I was raging when they didnt show cell stepping on 16's head. That was my favorite part!!!
ibrahim2431 2 months ago
@ibrahim2431 Ah well, the uncut version of this scene will release around march :P
gamefreakin 2 months ago
I'll be doing a comparison with this scene here.
TheWhiz93 2 months ago
without the music its not the same.seriously the high point of today was the episode of bardock special. that whole scene in the end was way better than this. i love kai but without the music it feels empty without emotion. what really dragged it down was the music they chose which was extremely overused, i honestly think kai should have just taken a long break and gotten a new soundtrack. listen to episode of bardock it has a great soundtrack this just ruined it. good yell though.
livestreamergod 2 months ago
The Epicness is greatly reduced because of the shitty music choice. The original Kai version of this scene was the most epic scene in the entire show and the music played a huge role in that...
This whole music scandal thing really decreased kai's epicness, such a shame even the orignal Z version of this is better....
Phenomex4life 2 months ago
Damn another scene Kai fucked up. 16 voice with that echo was dumb and my friend thought gohan was a girl lol
zoomkobe24 2 months ago
@zoomkobe24 And now the nostalgia fag returns -_- You really think a ten yr old is suppossed to sound like a fucking smoker teen.
TheWhiz93 2 months ago
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@TheWhiz93 haha You really think a ten yr old is suppossed to sound like a fucking little girl? just because you talked liked a girl doesnt mean every boy did
zoomkobe24 1 month ago
BA HUM BUG
zman1234ful 2 months ago
colleen didnt need the oozaru roar lol. shes an oozaru unto herself
054martinm 2 months ago 6
the scream was epic! even better than i expected. i knew itd be good because of her mssj powerup scream
054martinm 2 months ago
@ImmaDbzSpanish RAGE
BZDrummer1 2 months ago
I'm a little disapointed
Primarily by the music choice here
I really enjoy Kikuchi pieces for some episode & scenes and for others I don't
This was a really bad choice for music. It doesn't feel like a special moment
This feels like just another power-up
SerenGetter 2 months ago 21
@SerenGetter Agreed! Any of the other two songs would have been great as the performances and everything else was perfect this time around. But something's always gotta give, I guess.
TBAGNFACEFUKER 2 months ago
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MetroidJunkie2007 2 months ago
@SerenGetter I kind of agree, but the music placement is still great.
The BGM "Gathering Energy for Genki Dama" might've worked with this scene.
DBKaiFANSonGokuRises 2 months ago
@DBKaiFANSonGokuRises
If they had to use a Kikuchi piece, I would feel these are better choices
watch?v=K0HiiPNdILI
watch?v=QmbzQ0JwnHc
watch?v=7nQXEdVzQWw
watch?v=DQCpWr2Gzzg
But really nothing compares to "Spirit vs Spirit" for this scene, but the Yamamoto piece was also a good second.
SerenGetter 2 months ago 19
@SerenGetter Those would fit, the last one not so much.
Gathering Energy for Genki Dama BGM track would've been a nice fit, imo.
The good thing about this music replacement, is that the track is somewhat silent so it allows the the scream/voices get along with the mix-track.
DBKaiFANSonGokuRises 2 months ago
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@DBKaiFANSonGokuRises IMO, the original japanese music was better. The song with the lyrics. Why did they take it out? right now this scene sounds a bit plain
hotwhire 2 months ago
@SerenGetter
Your music choices fit so well. You should have been the one to insert all of the scores. You could place the songs a lot better then Toei.
SSJProtecter 2 months ago
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SerenGetter 2 months ago
@SerenGetter Spirit VS Spirit was a yamamoto Piece. HE made almost all Insert songs for DBZ except for Solid State Scouter and Battle point unlimited
Ashurathehedgehog196 1 month ago
@Ashurathehedgehog196 BattlePoint Unlimited was also by Yamamoto.
startmirca 1 month ago
@SerenGetter well that's what happens when someone gets fired off the original score of a show
1cat294 2 months ago
I really loved this scene. I like the voice filter they did with 16, plus the long scream that echoed in the backround when Gohan was screaming was a nice touch too. :)
McnleyVideos 2 months ago
DAT YELL! Colleen did excellent!
GodCory 2 months ago
" Better than I thought it would be but it'll be even better uncut." So WHY didn't you wait for the uncut verison? I mean seriously Nicktoons couldn't even have the balls to show Cell crushing Android 16's head!!! I don't completely hate DBZ Kai like every other DBZ fan that watched the show on Cartoon Network, but this scene is still dog shit. So when are you going to add your epic music into this scene AniNationReborn?
RegBeta 2 months ago
@RegBeta U do know it's a kids network right?
TheWhiz93 2 months ago
@TheWhiz93 So was and still is Cartoon Network, but they didn't shy away from the violent and bloody kills at all!
RegBeta 2 months ago
It's a shame they removed the crushing noise of 16's head, would've been perfect to add with Gohan's reaction shot. Other than that, though, pretty much what you'd expect.
MetroidJunkie2007 2 months ago
@MetroidJunkie2007 Scratch that, apparently they positioned it to after it already showed 16's pieces scattering about? Yeah, makes complete sense...
MetroidJunkie2007 2 months ago
@MetroidJunkie2007 That was a Nicktoons audio error :P
gamefreakin 2 months ago
@gamefreakin How's that a Nicktoons error? Unless their site did it, Funimation's the one that moved scenes around.... or Ocean Group.
MetroidJunkie2007 2 months ago
@MetroidJunkie2007 Yea, I meant the censoring FOR nicktoons ...
gamefreakin 2 months ago
@gamefreakin That's not the point. They could've played the sound during the second when they showed Gohan's reaction. You know, right before they showed 16's parts scatter? Instead of after Cell made his comment, where its placement made no sense? Nicktoons simply told them what to censor, Funimation decides HOW it's censored and goof'd.
MetroidJunkie2007 2 months ago
@MetroidJunkie2007 I know they goofed... thats why I called it an error..
gamefreakin 2 months ago
@gamefreakin But it's not an error on Nicktoons' part.
MetroidJunkie2007 2 months ago
@shadowluma
I think Yamamoto composed Unmei no Hi.
Or if he didn't, maybe it's because of the same reason Mind Power...Ki:
TOEI BE TROLLING.
Also,in the most broadcasted dub over here,in Z,this scene had no music,which actually sounded pretty good...
RetsuZero 2 months ago
@ImmaDbzSpanish RAGE
SageofWater1 2 months ago
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Kai, but I feel like it just took my favorite scene from DBZ and raped it up the ass!
Avpsagaman 2 months ago
@Avpsagaman why? apart from the generic music this was fantastic in every area
054martinm 2 months ago
@054martinm Mainly because of the announcer. He's just not as amazing as the one in Z. Btw, this is the version I watch. /watch?v=z3dL2VAnXWM
Avpsagaman 2 months ago
@Avpsagaman old dub announcer sounded like a cheesy pro wrestler and if you think that sounds any better than this announcer than I don't know what to say.
PrinceofSaiyajins456 2 months ago
@PrinceofSaiyajins456 well I don't know if you're talking about funi or ocean, but either way, my favorite is still the funi one.
Avpsagaman 2 months ago
@PrinceofSaiyajins456 also this scene with mystic gohan's theme is amazing!
Avpsagaman 2 months ago
The music choice is terrible here. Why not use 'Soul vs Soul,' by Kikuchi?
shadowluma 2 months ago
Lol. I watched this scene thousands of times in the original version, but despite that I was confused about what happened when just a few gears fell to the ground. xD
At least a crunching sound would help, or at least show cells foots shadow over his head
dacreator123 2 months ago
After waiting over a year I must say my faith in Clinkenbeard has been rewarded. Naldony was great but Clinkenbeard is my Gohan.
ThexDynastxQueen 2 months ago
I just watched this. Not as bad. They could have used a sound effect when his head got crushed.
MeltdownGodzilla 2 months ago
Better in DBZ
MegaTaunTaun93 2 months ago
@MegaTaunTaun93
Kiss my shiny, metal ass.
shadowluma 2 months ago
Clinkenbeard >>>>>>>>>>> Naldony
mtpenguin1 2 months ago 6
This went straight to my faves, thank you so much for uploading this 8D
ToaMahriNika 2 months ago
Nicktoons could of easily done a better job with 16's death, simular with Ultimate Tenkaichi, look's like I'll have to do some edit's and upload my version of this scene...
OceanDubZStudios 2 months ago
Yeah, if they would've chosen a different track, this scene would have been MUCH better.
mlwerica 2 months ago
Awesome you got the scene early! I have to say, Collen did an awesome job doing her scream, way better than the older Gohan from the Funimation dub!
TylerPreston20 2 months ago
Decent scene, crappy music placement. Seriously, the music for this scene is horrible. Other than that, I have no qualms.
Janemba800 2 months ago
@Janemba800 Well they were supposed to insert a awesome music piece here before the music got replaced after episode 64 (the japanese version of this scene has the unreplaced music, so check that out if you want too hear it)
gamefreakin 2 months ago
Lol i dislike how they dont even show him stompin it
hardydx6 2 months ago
Much better than I expected but Nadolney did it better.
ImmaGTBaby 2 months ago
on nicktoons?
Dbzmoviesful 2 months ago
yeah i just saw it like 1 minute ago lol,i didn't really just andriod 16's speech before he died.Sounded corny.
MrSpaghetti12 2 months ago
I literally saw this a minute ago lol
Megaman33570 2 months ago
The music simply doesn't fit the scene whatsoever.
thegateoftruth3 2 months ago
Im watching this on TV at the same time it sounds so cool its double voices with gohan and 4 times the voices with anroid 16
MrTechnoman6006 2 months ago
Such a shame Spirit vs Spirit wasn't played. Would have made it 10x better. Well I quess I know what I'm doing when the final part of Kai comes out.
UltimateGOKUX 2 months ago in playlist Nicktoons 10
@UltimateGOKUX
This scene was cut down too short for SVS to even be played.
TheOfficialGoten 2 months ago
@TheOfficialGoten Nah, the song is about 5mins and they put SVS in the original and theres no reason why it wouldn't fit here either.
UltimateGOKUX 2 months ago
@UltimateGOKUX
If you look at the Z version of this scene, it is much longer with staring and stuff. They cut this scene by a lot for Kai, so I don't think SVS would have worked here.
TheOfficialGoten 2 months ago
@TheOfficialGoten It's still simple to cut a song down, it's not hard to find the length you need for a scene. I do it all the time with my songs for specific scenes.
UltimateGOKUX 2 months ago
was this aired?
gogeta3366 2 months ago
@gogeta3366 it's airing right now.
ImmaKai1 2 months ago
@gogeta3366 It is right now but I got the scene early
AniNationReborn 2 months ago
@AniNationReborn damn i need fuckin cable but at least i can watch it online i just want to see it on tv 1st
gogeta3366 2 months ago
16 with the voice filter was a nice touch not included in the original. Such a shame thought that they removed the Ozaru roar that was in the Japanese version.
ImmaKai1 2 months ago in playlist Nicktoons
@ImmaKai1 I was hoping they wouldn't add a filter because I thought it would of been annoying. I was wrong about that.
AniNationReborn 2 months ago