but even that proved a mistake as rather than salvation for the Elves it brought misery and decay to the undying lands and ultimately the world (or Arda) entirely.
The Edaïn were created with the gift of death build in their design. Thus they were as a race, unlike the Elves, subject to change. This explains why the Elves and the Edaïn were initially so much alike, while at the time of the LoTR the relative difference is precieved by men as huge.
Just to clear things up: the Elves were not a "superior humanoid kind", but rather a initially flawed design of the Valar. Humans or Edaïn were the second patched version of the Valar's creation.
The Elves' flaw was their immortality. While the Elves were created immortal, the world they were born in was not. The Valar tried to quick-fix this by allowing the Elves to reside with them in the "undying" lands,
@lastkingdomcitizen they didn't. The only Valar that did create beings was Aule who created the dwarves so that he could pass on his knowledge to them. Of course, Eru Illuvatar had to give them sapience in order to bring them to life and make them a race of their own, which was granted after Aule repented. Aule's impatience in waiting for the 'Children of Illuvatar' to come into existence or 'awaken' which was further impelled by the destruction/chaos of Melkor led him to create the dwarves.
@lastkingdomcitizen But because it was already established that the Elves were going to be the firstborn, Illuvatar put the dwarves to sleep until then. This is why there has always been tension between both races. Just thought I'd clarify and extend on the topic a little more for those that don't/didn't know :b..lol I love LotR :D
Thank you, we need more vids like this amongs all the hectic and superficial carbage. It really gave me calming feeling of being touched by the lingering memory of the Elves. :)
@PatriaFinlandia don't u love it when the elves leave and pretty much say "C'ya later bitches, good luck with the forces of darkness", only to come back at the most epic moment to help the humans defend the fort,
@PatriaFinlandia Actually he's right, in PJ's version it's canonical that Haldir asked Galadriel to allow him to aid Men in the war of the ring, he gathered 200 elves including his brothers and with Galadriel's power they moved faster enough to prepare at helm's deep, the elves knew they were sacrificing themselves one way or another, for when they chose to involve themselves in aiding men they sacrificed mortality as a tribute to the last alliance.
Galadriels elves had their own troubles on the borders of Lórien and shores of Nimrodel. Orcs were tresspassing to their lands and polluting rivers with their filthy legs. It's understandable to gain victory on your own lands and then help your allies.
@PatriaFinlandia Yes but the elves had far more then the Galadhrim they sent with Haldir to Rohan's aid, read Weapons and warfare and it tells you everything about PJ's Lord of the Rings, they did fight against the orcs but at the same time they agreed to aid men.
He said Elves had "leaf shaped ears". If you think a about it, it would be pointed. And if a leaf was made out of flesh it would look pretty strange in a movie or picture, so pointed just seems simpler. I don't know about hobits.
nope, not at all. in the silmarillion, it even says, in the beginning, men and elves didn't look very different either. but i like pointy ears anyway. *grin*
@arwen17evenstar not entirely true. If you read The Lost Road, you would find the following reference : The Quendian ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than [human].
Sorry dudes, although there is no mention in the silmarillion - besides, Tolkien wasn't that sure himself of stuff at that time - in the lord of the rings it is clearly stated that elves have pointy ears. Of hobbits, it says they have long ears of a kins common among the townsfolk, perhaps not exactly how they look in the movie but not even that different.
"LAS(1) - *lasse leaf: Q lasse, N lhass; Q lasselanta leaf-fall, autumn, N lhasbelin (*lasskwelene), cf. Q Narqelion [kwel].Lhasgalen Greenleaf, Gnome name of Laurelin. (Some think this is related to the next and *lasse 'ear'. The Quendian (Elvish) ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than human].)
From: The Lost Road and Other Writings, Etymologies CT 1987 working from JRRT manuscripts written circa 1936-1940
"LAS(1) - *lasse leaf: Q lasse, N lhass; Q lasselanta leaf-fall, autumn, N lhasbelin (*lasskwelene), cf. Q Narqelion [kwel].Lhasgalen Greenleaf, Gnome name of Laurelin. (Some think this is related to the next and *lasse 'ear'. The Quendian (Elvish) ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than human.)
From: The Lost Road and Other Writings, Etymologies CT 1987 working from JRRT manuscripts written circa 1936-1940
He also mentions hobbits having pointy ears in one of his letters: "I am afraid, if you will need drawings of hobbits in various attitudes, I must leave it in the hands of someone who can draw.. I picture a fairly human figure ... fattish in the stomach, shortish in the leg. A round, jovial face; ears only slightly pointed and 'elvish'; hair short and curling (brown)."
From: JRRT - Letters #27, writing to Houghton Mifflin circa March-April 1938
@wen2110 Elves probably do that in visual reations (movies, picures etc) so they can be differentated from humans.... As arwen17evenstar said; men and elves didn't look very different...
The Doom of the Noldor... put to an end... instead of being happy returning to Valinor... they're just putting an end to their curse...
Tears unnumbered ye shall shed; and the Valar will fence Valinor against you, and shut you out, so that not even the echo of your lamentation shall pass over the moutains.
On the House of Feanor the wrath of the Valar lieth from the West unto the uttermost East, and upon all that will follow them it shall be laid also. Their Oath shall drive them, and yet betray them, and ever snatch away the very treasures that they have sworn to pursue. To evil end shall all things turn that they begin well; and by treason of kin unto kin and the fear of treason, shall this come to pass. The Disposessed shall they be forever.
Ye have spilled the blood of your kindred unrighteously and have stained the land of Aman. For blood ye shall render blood, and beyond Aman ye shall dwell in Death's shadow. For though Eru appointed to you to die not in Ea, and no sickness may assail you, yet slain ye may be, and slain ye shall be: by weapon and by torment and grief; and your houseless spirits shall come then to Mandos.
There long shall ye abide and yearn for your bodies, and find little pity though all whom ye have slain should entreat for you. And those that endure in Middle-earth and come not to Mandos shall grow weary of the world as with a great burden, and shall wane, and become as shadows of regret before the younger race that cometh after. The Valar have spoken.
This is the Doom of the Noldor, and it haunts them still...
THordrasson and dremelinskov, you both aren't right.
Tolkien mentioned often enough that neither LotR, nor Hobbit or any other of his books had ANYTHING to do with any war or any nation in the Real World.
Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and have always done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of the readers."
" I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author."
Oh yeah? But Orson Scott Card said only once that "There's always moral instruction whether the writer inserts it deliberately or not. The least effective moral instruction in fiction is that which is consciously inserted. Partly because it won't reflect the storyteller's true beliefs, it will only reflect what he BELIEVES he believes, or what he thinks he should believe or what he's been persuaded of." (cont)
"But when you write without deliberately expressing moral teachings, the morals that show up are the ones you actually live by. The beliefs that you don't even think to question, that you don't even notice-- those will show up. And that tells much more truth about what you believe than your deliberate moral machinations."
Tolkien might have not intended any paralell with actual History, and that's good, because allegory is a poor art form. But he was definitely influenced and it shows.
Mhm, Came to him in the trenches to be exact. He based LOTR on real-world conflicts. Arguably so, but it's been said that The Orcs in LOTR are representative of the WWI Germans.
No. Tolkien did not base his Orcs on the German soldiers in the trenches, but on the Norman invaders of England.
There is a low-cost production called "1066 - The Battle for Middle earth" which you can see here on the Tube. Although a movie, it gives us a clue of why the English hated the Norman invaders, and why a Anglo-Saxon linguistic like Tolkien despised the Norman murderers and their latin language.
All that is gold does not glitter
Not all those who wander are lost
The old that is strong does not wither
Deep roots are not reached by frost
From the ashes a fire shall be woken
A light from the shadows shall spring
Reforged shall be the blade that was broken
The crownless again shall be the king
lothlorien1is1heaven 8 months ago in playlist elves 4
Enya Half-Elven.
capnhawkins 9 months ago
His name is Haldir! If you watched the movie you would know that!
Lillyconcolor 10 months ago
Can someone send me the lyrics to this?
uchihahatemonopoly 1 year ago
but even that proved a mistake as rather than salvation for the Elves it brought misery and decay to the undying lands and ultimately the world (or Arda) entirely.
The Edaïn were created with the gift of death build in their design. Thus they were as a race, unlike the Elves, subject to change. This explains why the Elves and the Edaïn were initially so much alike, while at the time of the LoTR the relative difference is precieved by men as huge.
LisaMarantine 1 year ago
Just to clear things up: the Elves were not a "superior humanoid kind", but rather a initially flawed design of the Valar. Humans or Edaïn were the second patched version of the Valar's creation.
The Elves' flaw was their immortality. While the Elves were created immortal, the world they were born in was not. The Valar tried to quick-fix this by allowing the Elves to reside with them in the "undying" lands,
LisaMarantine 1 year ago
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lastkingdomcitizen 1 year ago
@LisaMarantine I think you are wrong, the valar did not even design either men or elves, but were awaiting their coming,
lastkingdomcitizen 1 year ago
@lastkingdomcitizen they didn't. The only Valar that did create beings was Aule who created the dwarves so that he could pass on his knowledge to them. Of course, Eru Illuvatar had to give them sapience in order to bring them to life and make them a race of their own, which was granted after Aule repented. Aule's impatience in waiting for the 'Children of Illuvatar' to come into existence or 'awaken' which was further impelled by the destruction/chaos of Melkor led him to create the dwarves.
rocyou819 11 months ago
@lastkingdomcitizen But because it was already established that the Elves were going to be the firstborn, Illuvatar put the dwarves to sleep until then. This is why there has always been tension between both races. Just thought I'd clarify and extend on the topic a little more for those that don't/didn't know :b..lol I love LotR :D
rocyou819 11 months ago
Thank you, we need more vids like this amongs all the hectic and superficial carbage. It really gave me calming feeling of being touched by the lingering memory of the Elves. :)
Feanorielle 1 year ago
@THordasson- that would be EPIC! we're all descendants of elves xD *tugs on ears* but where's the pointy ears? -,-
ForeverisGone13 1 year ago
Great video, my favorite are the Sindarin Elves and their Galadhrim army, my favorite character is Haldir.
SindielxEternal 1 year ago
3 people who didnt like this are servants of Morgoth.
PatriaFinlandia 1 year ago 2
@PatriaFinlandia don't u love it when the elves leave and pretty much say "C'ya later bitches, good luck with the forces of darkness", only to come back at the most epic moment to help the humans defend the fort,
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
@Wolfsbane909
Those elves who are leaving are going beyond the sea. Those who defended Helms Deep were different elves. They were around all the time.
PatriaFinlandia 1 year ago
@PatriaFinlandia Actually he's right, in PJ's version it's canonical that Haldir asked Galadriel to allow him to aid Men in the war of the ring, he gathered 200 elves including his brothers and with Galadriel's power they moved faster enough to prepare at helm's deep, the elves knew they were sacrificing themselves one way or another, for when they chose to involve themselves in aiding men they sacrificed mortality as a tribute to the last alliance.
SindielxEternal 1 year ago
@SindielxEternal
Galadriels elves had their own troubles on the borders of Lórien and shores of Nimrodel. Orcs were tresspassing to their lands and polluting rivers with their filthy legs. It's understandable to gain victory on your own lands and then help your allies.
PatriaFinlandia 1 year ago
@PatriaFinlandia Yes but the elves had far more then the Galadhrim they sent with Haldir to Rohan's aid, read Weapons and warfare and it tells you everything about PJ's Lord of the Rings, they did fight against the orcs but at the same time they agreed to aid men.
SindielxEternal 1 year ago
i started bawling when the valiant,handsome and brave Haldir ..died....-starts crying-
selchic1 1 year ago
He said Elves had "leaf shaped ears". If you think a about it, it would be pointed. And if a leaf was made out of flesh it would look pretty strange in a movie or picture, so pointed just seems simpler. I don't know about hobits.
Muggafinn 1 year ago
Why are elves (and for that matter hobbits) always shown with pointy ears? Does Tolkien mention it?
wen2110 1 year ago 3
@wen2110
nope, not at all. in the silmarillion, it even says, in the beginning, men and elves didn't look very different either. but i like pointy ears anyway. *grin*
arwen17evenstar 1 year ago 23
@arwen17evenstar so do i :)
selchic1 1 year ago
@arwen17evenstar not entirely true. If you read The Lost Road, you would find the following reference : The Quendian ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than [human].
Hildovar 1 year ago
@arwen17evenstar
Sorry dudes, although there is no mention in the silmarillion - besides, Tolkien wasn't that sure himself of stuff at that time - in the lord of the rings it is clearly stated that elves have pointy ears. Of hobbits, it says they have long ears of a kins common among the townsfolk, perhaps not exactly how they look in the movie but not even that different.
danimuadib 1 year ago
@arwen17evenstar yeah, in one of his letters to a publisher Tolkien says that elves represent for him a certain group of people of the real world.
lastkingdomcitizen 1 year ago
@arwen17evenstar
He mentions it in the Etymologies:
"LAS(1) - *lasse leaf: Q lasse, N lhass; Q lasselanta leaf-fall, autumn, N lhasbelin (*lasskwelene), cf. Q Narqelion [kwel].Lhasgalen Greenleaf, Gnome name of Laurelin. (Some think this is related to the next and *lasse 'ear'. The Quendian (Elvish) ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than human].)
From: The Lost Road and Other Writings, Etymologies CT 1987 working from JRRT manuscripts written circa 1936-1940
TheStrii 9 months ago
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@arwen17evenstar
He mentions it in the Etymologies:
"LAS(1) - *lasse leaf: Q lasse, N lhass; Q lasselanta leaf-fall, autumn, N lhasbelin (*lasskwelene), cf. Q Narqelion [kwel].Lhasgalen Greenleaf, Gnome name of Laurelin. (Some think this is related to the next and *lasse 'ear'. The Quendian (Elvish) ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than human.)
From: The Lost Road and Other Writings, Etymologies CT 1987 working from JRRT manuscripts written circa 1936-1940
TheStrii 9 months ago
@arwen17evenstar
He also mentions hobbits having pointy ears in one of his letters: "I am afraid, if you will need drawings of hobbits in various attitudes, I must leave it in the hands of someone who can draw.. I picture a fairly human figure ... fattish in the stomach, shortish in the leg. A round, jovial face; ears only slightly pointed and 'elvish'; hair short and curling (brown)."
From: JRRT - Letters #27, writing to Houghton Mifflin circa March-April 1938
TheStrii 9 months ago
@arwen17evenstar In the Books it is written that the elves have ears like leaves = pointy
AlanoWicked 3 months ago
@wen2110 Elves probably do that in visual reations (movies, picures etc) so they can be differentated from humans.... As arwen17evenstar said; men and elves didn't look very different...
Jacieltje 9 months ago
this is so beautiful and sad.....i love it! and the elves of middle earth
sparkieandmow 1 year ago
Прекрасный эльфы считаются прекраснейшими среди живых существ арды. :)
RussianElfOlga 1 year ago
The Doom of the Noldor... put to an end... instead of being happy returning to Valinor... they're just putting an end to their curse...
Tears unnumbered ye shall shed; and the Valar will fence Valinor against you, and shut you out, so that not even the echo of your lamentation shall pass over the moutains.
robbyperez 2 years ago
On the House of Feanor the wrath of the Valar lieth from the West unto the uttermost East, and upon all that will follow them it shall be laid also. Their Oath shall drive them, and yet betray them, and ever snatch away the very treasures that they have sworn to pursue. To evil end shall all things turn that they begin well; and by treason of kin unto kin and the fear of treason, shall this come to pass. The Disposessed shall they be forever.
robbyperez 2 years ago
Ye have spilled the blood of your kindred unrighteously and have stained the land of Aman. For blood ye shall render blood, and beyond Aman ye shall dwell in Death's shadow. For though Eru appointed to you to die not in Ea, and no sickness may assail you, yet slain ye may be, and slain ye shall be: by weapon and by torment and grief; and your houseless spirits shall come then to Mandos.
robbyperez 2 years ago
There long shall ye abide and yearn for your bodies, and find little pity though all whom ye have slain should entreat for you. And those that endure in Middle-earth and come not to Mandos shall grow weary of the world as with a great burden, and shall wane, and become as shadows of regret before the younger race that cometh after. The Valar have spoken.
This is the Doom of the Noldor, and it haunts them still...
robbyperez 2 years ago
THordrasson and dremelinskov, you both aren't right.
Tolkien mentioned often enough that neither LotR, nor Hobbit or any other of his books had ANYTHING to do with any war or any nation in the Real World.
EndlessMater 2 years ago
You are misinformed, so I will leave you alone. Tolkien based his writings off of the world.
dremelinskov 2 years ago
Well, the original statements of J.R.R. Tolkien have a little bit more substance to me than some strange speculations from youtube users.
EndlessMater 2 years ago
Tolkien Quote Part 1:
"As for any inner meaning or "message", [the story] has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical.
The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or conclusion. "
EndlessMater 2 years ago
Tolkien Quote Part 2:
Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and have always done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of the readers."
EndlessMater 2 years ago
Tolkien Quote Part 3:
" I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author."
I think he said it clearly enough.
EndlessMater 2 years ago
Oh yeah? But Orson Scott Card said only once that "There's always moral instruction whether the writer inserts it deliberately or not. The least effective moral instruction in fiction is that which is consciously inserted. Partly because it won't reflect the storyteller's true beliefs, it will only reflect what he BELIEVES he believes, or what he thinks he should believe or what he's been persuaded of." (cont)
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
"But when you write without deliberately expressing moral teachings, the morals that show up are the ones you actually live by. The beliefs that you don't even think to question, that you don't even notice-- those will show up. And that tells much more truth about what you believe than your deliberate moral machinations."
Tolkien might have not intended any paralell with actual History, and that's good, because allegory is a poor art form. But he was definitely influenced and it shows.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
For those hard-core Tolkien fans out there, make sure to google for Dr. Lance Owens and Stephen Hoellers "Tolkien gnosis"-lectures.
You will be shocked to learn that Tolkien didnt invent his mythology, but the story came to him during the writing, like a vision.
THordasson 2 years ago
Mhm, Came to him in the trenches to be exact. He based LOTR on real-world conflicts. Arguably so, but it's been said that The Orcs in LOTR are representative of the WWI Germans.
dremelinskov 2 years ago
No. Tolkien did not base his Orcs on the German soldiers in the trenches, but on the Norman invaders of England.
There is a low-cost production called "1066 - The Battle for Middle earth" which you can see here on the Tube. Although a movie, it gives us a clue of why the English hated the Norman invaders, and why a Anglo-Saxon linguistic like Tolkien despised the Norman murderers and their latin language.
THordasson 2 years ago
"Arguably so."
You may be right, but this is what I've learned from Tolkien's Biography.
dremelinskov 2 years ago
This is very beautiful Video. The music is perfect for it. well done. It's my favorite video.
CheyennesGirl06 2 years ago
i would love that THordasson. middle earth forever
WelshDude15 2 years ago
Wonder if Tolkien is right, that there ones lived a superior humanoid kind on this planet?
They left us thousands and more thousands of years ago, and our folklore now only dimly remembers them.
THordasson 2 years ago 41
@THordasson Atlantis?
piglet116 1 year ago
@THordasson I believe that, too.
krazkash 1 year ago
yes indeed. you can feel it in your water.
nice compilation!
anguaji 2 years ago
I need elvish songs can u send me some bands thankyou verymuch =D
phatsmanto99 3 years ago
nice choice of song
lonelyqueen86 3 years ago
This is AWSOME!!! It's totally elvish. :) But the ending is sort of sad... :'(
I love it. :) Fave, fave, fave...
EnnaSilme 3 years ago
i think the song is sung by enya
Uthuriel 3 years ago 3
it is.
stillmissheath 3 years ago
It's called Long Journey...
Sinuriel 2 years ago
very nice song
Uthuriel 3 years ago
Lovely vid. I do so love the elves of Middle Earth.
CuteGallifreyian 3 years ago 19
This is so beautiful! What is the song's name?
MelodxKay 4 years ago 2
Long Long journey by Enya
immortal1blue 3 years ago
Thank you very much for telling me the name of the song. I love Enya but I haven't heard this song of hers before! Thank you again. :)
MelodxKay 3 years ago 2
Das Lied is voll cool. meine stimme hat das.
FME772 4 years ago
This is really pretty. Nice work
elvishjedi 4 years ago