and all the religious people wake the hell up. letting some made up religion crap control your lives... lol pathetic. keep worshiping your invisible man.
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Moses lives to 126; Abraham lives to his 180's..... I'm not a part of any organized religious structure though I do base my morality on God and believe in a Creator of everything and everyone who is totaly beyond our comprehension. I would say that in that sense, the jewish conception of God appeals to me most, though I am not Jewish. Of course it's 3 a.m. and I'm typing to no one, probably because I'm a little bit drunk lol. We just finished a bottle of wine and she's laughing so bye bye seeya
Amoralism means (for me) the belief that there's no ultimate or objective morality, and each person can define his own morality (i.e. to do as he chooses).
Btw, whoever's reading this probably doesn't care, but the bible does not say that man can't live past 120. In the quote from Genesis what God is actually saying is that the flood will come in 120 years. God is talking about 'Man' as a apecies and is saying that he will not abide by the evilness of that generation any longer and that in 120 years they would be destroyed in a flood. In fact after God says this, many biblical heroes live far longer than 120 yrs ..continued...
I'm not being cheeky or trying to make fun. Rather, I truly am fascinated by the term as how exactly you define it and how exactly you apply it to, what the rest of us might consider, morality decisions. Is Amoralism simply the applied philosophy of the sociopath, or is it simply the end result of following the "logical" reasoning of atheism to it's conclusion. Or perhaps it is Nietzschian. Would you describe Nietzschi as an Amoralist? Is that the ideologicaly original construct of the term?
"I wont let anybody decide for me what's good or wrong"
No matter, society, religion or what ever. You make your own decisions, basing on your own views, fealings.
And what atheism has anything to do with amoralism?Damn nothing.
Lack of belief in retarded bullshit, does not mean immortality.
As to sociopaths, most of them are idiots that do "wrong" becouse acording to their morality(often delivered from god/deity him/itself) tells him it's good.
which others use morals, codes, rules, feelings... to make. How does an 'Amoralist' go about making these decisions. That is, it's different than just saying you're an atheist and thus believe morality to be a human/evolutionary construct, wired into us and shaped by society. And it's diiferent from saying as an atheist you don't believe in an Totaly objective- let's call it religious or at least God/creator based morality. Rather, you say 'Amoralist'. ..continued....
nawitus: Thank you for posting the Abrey De Grey vids. I'm commenting here because your commenting feature on your page is disabled. You may not even see this and so I may be talking to no one but that's okay lol; I just wanted to say thanks. BTW Your description is quite unique 'Immortalist, Amoralist...It's quite a fascinating concept. What is an Amoralist? I presume it's different than an Imoralist. What code than, does an Amoralist live by? Presumably you must make decisions which-continued
@3tangle3 finally, someone that says something that MAKES SENSE ! If it comes, let it be... And try to make the best out of it, because stopping aging is just the beggining.. you've got diseases, poverty, accidents, catastrohpies (also part of 'accidents'). It's not that easy , but we are evolving..
And as for those that say that we need to die, to make room for new ones..It's a lie! We don't give birth to novelty-thinking children, we TEACH them what they know. That means we learn..
what I'm saying is that, people say 'If we stop aging, then the world would always have the same old people, with old thoughts'. That's not true, people learn and EVOLVE, that's what it's all about.. EVOLUTION!
@uhuyo We not always gonna live in this world. Probably 100-200 years from now we got cities in the moon and mars. The human mind cant remember every single thing we do in our life. I can hardly remember what happened in a movie that i watched a few years ago.. unless it was pretty good one! The getting bored argument in retarded, unless you are a boring person bored of life right now you aren't gonna be bored 10 or 100 years from now.
with all the good intentions in the world all this research and development will just mean the govt can work us as slaves for longer. How does living longer stop war? It will make it more necessary! The haves and have nots will be bound by circumstance to be enemies. I really feel that aubrey has underestimated the negative impacts.
because genocide won't be able to be kept secret in the form of naturally occurring diseases etc. Because there will be an instant split between those with upgrades and those without, the ultimate power of life extension has already made our species paranoid wrecks, this will push us over the edge. Humans have an addiction for control and power yet what they need more than anything is the discipline of nature. , ultimate humans create ultimate damage.
I've not yet watched all De Grey's vids but I guess the only viable "upgrade", as you call it, for substantially increase life span will be through genetic engineering. Once gene therapy gets mass produced it can be very cheap. It's probable that all industrialized countries can treat their citizens at once. At least all North America, Europe (including Russia), China, Japan, Australia and rich Midlle East countries.
Even more countries than those I talked aobut above could immediately access such a therapy. If you're going to mass producing the therapy on a such great scale you can guess the cost of a ordinary PC. Few hundred USD. Almost every where they could afford it. Maybe only subsaharian Africa would have problems. Indeed in some african countries life expectancy today is around 30 years, vs. 83 of Italy and Japan. We can say of having the upgrade already.
yes thats true, the future is already here in that regard and look at the problems its causing both officially and non-officially. Whatever forms it comes in, the convergence of other technologies, i.e. brainchips will change this issue from merely a health concern to the absolute annhilation of the human species in its present form, regardless of life expectancy, can we then even call it life? There is the potential for extreme corruption with gene engineering though, eugenics spring to mind.
Yes, if doomsday doesn't come before I guess the human species in its present form is destined to follow the fate of its previous ones, (erectus, austalopithecus, etc.). Panta rei, species evolve. The only difference now is that this time some changes will be man-made.
look how dark and gloomy i's in Finland...horrible.
Hermoor 1 year ago
@Hermoor That's true during the winter, but here the reason is bad lightning :P
nawitus 1 year ago
and all the religious people wake the hell up. letting some made up religion crap control your lives... lol pathetic. keep worshiping your invisible man.
N1RealMadridFan 1 year ago
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Moses lives to 126; Abraham lives to his 180's..... I'm not a part of any organized religious structure though I do base my morality on God and believe in a Creator of everything and everyone who is totaly beyond our comprehension. I would say that in that sense, the jewish conception of God appeals to me most, though I am not Jewish. Of course it's 3 a.m. and I'm typing to no one, probably because I'm a little bit drunk lol. We just finished a bottle of wine and she's laughing so bye bye seeya
7Highlander 2 years ago
Amoralism means (for me) the belief that there's no ultimate or objective morality, and each person can define his own morality (i.e. to do as he chooses).
nawitus 2 years ago
Btw, whoever's reading this probably doesn't care, but the bible does not say that man can't live past 120. In the quote from Genesis what God is actually saying is that the flood will come in 120 years. God is talking about 'Man' as a apecies and is saying that he will not abide by the evilness of that generation any longer and that in 120 years they would be destroyed in a flood. In fact after God says this, many biblical heroes live far longer than 120 yrs ..continued...
7Highlander 2 years ago
I'm not being cheeky or trying to make fun. Rather, I truly am fascinated by the term as how exactly you define it and how exactly you apply it to, what the rest of us might consider, morality decisions. Is Amoralism simply the applied philosophy of the sociopath, or is it simply the end result of following the "logical" reasoning of atheism to it's conclusion. Or perhaps it is Nietzschian. Would you describe Nietzschi as an Amoralist? Is that the ideologicaly original construct of the term?
7Highlander 2 years ago
"I wont let anybody decide for me what's good or wrong"
No matter, society, religion or what ever. You make your own decisions, basing on your own views, fealings.
And what atheism has anything to do with amoralism?Damn nothing.
Lack of belief in retarded bullshit, does not mean immortality.
As to sociopaths, most of them are idiots that do "wrong" becouse acording to their morality(often delivered from god/deity him/itself) tells him it's good.
Ilamarea 2 years ago
which others use morals, codes, rules, feelings... to make. How does an 'Amoralist' go about making these decisions. That is, it's different than just saying you're an atheist and thus believe morality to be a human/evolutionary construct, wired into us and shaped by society. And it's diiferent from saying as an atheist you don't believe in an Totaly objective- let's call it religious or at least God/creator based morality. Rather, you say 'Amoralist'. ..continued....
7Highlander 2 years ago
nawitus: Thank you for posting the Abrey De Grey vids. I'm commenting here because your commenting feature on your page is disabled. You may not even see this and so I may be talking to no one but that's okay lol; I just wanted to say thanks. BTW Your description is quite unique 'Immortalist, Amoralist...It's quite a fascinating concept. What is an Amoralist? I presume it's different than an Imoralist. What code than, does an Amoralist live by? Presumably you must make decisions which-continued
7Highlander 2 years ago
if its going to happen lets live to be able to guide it in the best direction, people are so cynical...we may as well take up the challenge!
3tangle3 2 years ago 6
@3tangle3 finally, someone that says something that MAKES SENSE ! If it comes, let it be... And try to make the best out of it, because stopping aging is just the beggining.. you've got diseases, poverty, accidents, catastrohpies (also part of 'accidents'). It's not that easy , but we are evolving..
And as for those that say that we need to die, to make room for new ones..It's a lie! We don't give birth to novelty-thinking children, we TEACH them what they know. That means we learn..
uhuyo 2 years ago
what I'm saying is that, people say 'If we stop aging, then the world would always have the same old people, with old thoughts'. That's not true, people learn and EVOLVE, that's what it's all about.. EVOLUTION!
uhuyo 2 years ago
@uhuyo We not always gonna live in this world. Probably 100-200 years from now we got cities in the moon and mars. The human mind cant remember every single thing we do in our life. I can hardly remember what happened in a movie that i watched a few years ago.. unless it was pretty good one! The getting bored argument in retarded, unless you are a boring person bored of life right now you aren't gonna be bored 10 or 100 years from now.
N1RealMadridFan 1 year ago
with all the good intentions in the world all this research and development will just mean the govt can work us as slaves for longer. How does living longer stop war? It will make it more necessary! The haves and have nots will be bound by circumstance to be enemies. I really feel that aubrey has underestimated the negative impacts.
outled 2 years ago
Just to understand your point: How living longer makes war more necessary ?
italianchappy 2 years ago
because genocide won't be able to be kept secret in the form of naturally occurring diseases etc. Because there will be an instant split between those with upgrades and those without, the ultimate power of life extension has already made our species paranoid wrecks, this will push us over the edge. Humans have an addiction for control and power yet what they need more than anything is the discipline of nature. , ultimate humans create ultimate damage.
outled 2 years ago
I've not yet watched all De Grey's vids but I guess the only viable "upgrade", as you call it, for substantially increase life span will be through genetic engineering. Once gene therapy gets mass produced it can be very cheap. It's probable that all industrialized countries can treat their citizens at once. At least all North America, Europe (including Russia), China, Japan, Australia and rich Midlle East countries.
italianchappy 2 years ago
At that point the only thing to do is to extend the Gene Therapy to the other countries, progressively.
The important thing is to have VERY STRICT fertility policies. In fact the only danger in such a case is over population.
italianchappy 2 years ago
Even more countries than those I talked aobut above could immediately access such a therapy. If you're going to mass producing the therapy on a such great scale you can guess the cost of a ordinary PC. Few hundred USD. Almost every where they could afford it. Maybe only subsaharian Africa would have problems. Indeed in some african countries life expectancy today is around 30 years, vs. 83 of Italy and Japan. We can say of having the upgrade already.
italianchappy 2 years ago
yes thats true, the future is already here in that regard and look at the problems its causing both officially and non-officially. Whatever forms it comes in, the convergence of other technologies, i.e. brainchips will change this issue from merely a health concern to the absolute annhilation of the human species in its present form, regardless of life expectancy, can we then even call it life? There is the potential for extreme corruption with gene engineering though, eugenics spring to mind.
outled 2 years ago
Yes, if doomsday doesn't come before I guess the human species in its present form is destined to follow the fate of its previous ones, (erectus, austalopithecus, etc.). Panta rei, species evolve. The only difference now is that this time some changes will be man-made.
italianchappy 2 years ago 2
its almost as if we are being co-erced into making some irrevocable decisions ;)
I do however acknowledge the inevitablity of this apparent 'evolution' however my gut feels it is a negation :) Time will tell :) Thanks italianchappy
outled 2 years ago 2
@outled what about robots and nanotech and Marshall Brain's vision?
anukefromrussia 2 years ago 2
@anukefromrussia I know the other two, but what is Marshall Brain's vision?
PedroNGCProductions 1 year ago