Theistic Evolution: Just covering your ass!

[lowfatlatte0]

scienc is never proven but is heavily supported just noting that :) nice response

[MsAgnosticatheist]

I don't like the word devolving because it implies that it is a inferior state. Devolving means returning to a previous genetic state or evolving traits of the same species that existed before. So that would mean that the same genes would have to mutate or turn off and on. It means returning to a previous state. Evolution is an observation, it just is. Whatever works works and will work.

[BattleBits]

You're the expert.

[iopunderstealth]

@BattleBits I think you are massively confused as to what you are trying to argue. See you, in one comment, say that you're an atheist and yet in another you claim to be a theistic evolutionist, you can't be both. Next you try to make the case that existential and scientific evidence have a place in the same breath, which they don't. Now, I'm going to write this massive comment spree off as the mad ramblings of a confused individual whose reasoning is as poor as his spelling.

[BattleBits]

...and, I personally am TE not because I'm lazy and feel the need to compromise. I have personally worked hard, dug deep, and sacrificed all I knew to be true in order to make sense both of my past experience as a Christian and my passion for science. I abandoned of my safty zones and allowed my faith structures to be shaken to the core. Your statements are broad, loose, naive and presumptuous. Sorry but loose lips...

[iopunderstealth]

@BattleBits Also, your claim that theistic evolutionists, at least in your case have "worked hard, dug deep and sacrificed a lot" can't in anyway have anything to do with beliefs, considering they are just that, so unless you're actively fighting people on the front lines about beliefs, which would be a waste of your time but based on your consistent commenting I wouldn't be pressed to believe. Then you haven't given up much. (Continued in further comment)

[iopunderstealth]

@iopunderstealth Also, I would like to point out that atheists have to come to terms with the idea that when you die, that's it! So, if you want to talk about sacrificing, look no further. But this is a sacrifice you haven't made, and hence you have no grounds with which to tell anyone about how much you have "sacrificed", at least pertaining to belief.

[iopunderstealth]

@BattleBits And you do understand how little you seem to understand how much you're contradicting yourself by saying you "worked hard" and "dug deep", I mean is there a body of work that I don't see? We're talking about a statement of belief, and while I can understand that there is a leap involved in transition, this isn't like running a marathon and you're not going to get credit for simply using your mind enough to figure out that Christianity is bullshit.

[BattleBits]

Also, Theistic Evolution (TE) is not a means of covering one's ass but a means of making sense of one's universe and one's existence within it. Like atheism, budhism, creationism and other faith systems, theistic evolution seeks cosmological and ontological conclusions based on the information available. Creationism emerged in a time when little scientific info was available, only personal existencial info was. TE examines both existencial and scientific info and offers a unified theory.

[iopunderstealth]

@BattleBits Its a unified theory for something that needs no unity, there is no need for two explanations when one does it just fine. There is a consistent theme here. The more science explains, the less religion does, it's constantly losing ground to the scientific method. It is very apparent that this debate with you is fruitless for the both of us because you cannot even comprehend what an atheist is considering that you refer to yourself as one and then call yourself a theistic evolutionist

[BattleBits]

I am an atheist only in the sence that I do not adhere to the general concensus of what "god" means. I am open to the idea of a god who creates the universe in way that it may appear that only the universe is at work. Most theology fails to concider our beatiiful science and the cosmology that it brings to the world. I am open to a god who uses evolutionary forces, the ones we study using science. In this sence I am a theist. Its Theistic Evlolution baby!

[iopunderstealth]

@BattleBits Then...you're not an atheist...it seems you are confused...

[BattleBits]

I only mean to dispel the myth that only religious people exercize faith and that atheists are somehow spared such a burden.

[iopunderstealth]

@BattleBits and it was an intelligent comment at that, thanks!

[BattleBits]

So do I which is why I am an atheist.

[BattleBits]

By the modern definition of science we are limited to the study of all things effable. Science does not seek to address ineffable things, nor can it. Whether or not there exists a ineffable reality will require a leap of faith by both theists and atheists alike; either a teleological or a disteleological leap from the scientific data to an ontological conclusion must be made. Atheists, whether they agree or not, exercise faith by making a disteleological conclusion based on scientific data.

[iopunderstealth]

@BattleBits This is extremely true, however we cannot ignore that there is EVIDENCE behind what we believe, and I mean empirically. Yes, it is faith but if religion were a paper on how to explain the phenomena of life as it were and our scientific theories were a paper on the same thing and they were asked to support the answer using evidence all could see, religion would get an F and science would get a B+. Neither one is a perfect answer and both require faith, but I stand by the evidence.

[arantslimj12]

Good stuff. LIve and let live, man.

[iopunderstealth]

@arantslimj12 That's my motto, anybody who disagrees with that, take 'em outside and shoot the mother fucker...

[Jidster01]

This video was a little dumb and pretentious and ignorant. Saying that theistic evolutionists are "covering their ass" shows how little you know about the theistic evolution world view. Not to mention your die hard "science is truth" idea shows that you will eat whatever is put on your plate. So science has been proven fact, huh? What does that even mean? Basically science is scientific is what youre saying. Then you're right you are. I'm also right when i say speech is spoken.

[iopunderstealth]

@Jidster01 I am not an atheist blogger, I would turn you to an atheist blogger but as this video was made over a year ago, I can fully admit that I have absolutely no interest in talking religion with anyone. My objective is not to dissuade people from what they believe but rather to propose acceptance of the things that science and reasoned logic have proven. Let us not forget that your theistic evolution is a hybrid idea and is not an actual stance. Just like creationism, it is devoid of logic

[TheAbsractMind]

@Jidster01

He said that there's a ton of fact behind it science. If you were really open for debate instead of talking crap, you'd grab a book and check out all the stuff behind the fact of science, and then you'll read a book on Creationism and try your best to say what you said again. Ignorance, in the dictionary, means you just don't know something. Simple as that.

[DJflapjackz]

I like you. I like you a lot.

[iopunderstealth]

@DJflapjackz What can I say, I try :D

[GoldenbanjoDJ]

I am a Christian and actually a creationist as well.I agree with the video on the point that theistic evolutionists use God to fill in the gaps rather than use God 2 xplain the whole thing.Seems to me like they have the wrong perspective to claim one minute to believe in unscientific resurrections,turning water into wine and other miracles(according to the bible)& then go with science (Against the bible) in the creation story.surely you should at least be consistent even if consistently stupid?

[iopunderstealth]

@GoldenbanjoDJ Very good points :D Thanks for commenting :D

[TheAbsractMind]

@GoldenbanjoDJ

Science isn't against the bible, it only disproves it.

[GoldenbanjoDJ]

@TheAbsractMind

Why is that not the same? Genuinely

[TheAbsractMind]

@GoldenbanjoDJ

specify: creationism/science, or dictionary/ignorance?

[mrskellington33]

I worship the sun. It's real, I KNOW it's real, I benefit from it, and it is the reason for my existence. Seems logical, right?

(This was sort of sarcastic)

[marineninga]

For me it wasn't "covering my ass" I like to be very liberal in some of views and especially with religion as the super conservative are killing Christianity!

I agree with science but I incorporate it with my religion because well, creationism and evolution, believe it or not can coexist in the same universe. I like to think of creationism as the origin and evolution the development of species...

[MarcinP2]

Ok, all nice and dandy, just explain what kind of compromise was st. Augustine proposing when he invented several non-literal or symbollic interpretations of Genesis.

It's a problem for the protestants aswell, since they insist in this one and single case literalism is a must.

The non-literalism never was reactionary in the first place, as many would suggest.

[dnRoystonDotCom]

I like your video, but don't overestimate science. Of course everything has to be proven and such, but it's not set in stone. There are lots of "oops" moments for scientists, you must be aware of that.

Other than that, great video

[iopunderstealth]

I am glad to hear that you liked the video and I agree science has mistakes and everyone should be aware of that but science revises mistakes and makes the mistake known to as many as possible, I am sure there are exceptions, so they do not make the same mistake.

As far as I know religion kind of dances around that with 'interpretation'.

I'm not saying either one is right, I am merely saying that science is a lot more up front about it.

But, good to know you liked the video!

[fryl0ck33]

@iopunderstealth I totally agree, I think many Christians (just one example) should understand that with the Bible comes reading into context. Many things that people take to be as a universal standard were simply an interpretation of the times, such as homosexuality being bad, women being inferior, and slavery being okay. We have, thankfully, furthered our society, and must now understand these pre-conceived notions to be something to learn from.

[fryl0ck33]

@iopunderstealth With that, also, Christians should understand that since there have been so many different "interpretations" on things, the belief system is not so concrete on some levels. Some Christians will refute "liberal interpretation" by saying things like "God doesn't change with society." You're right, but if you believe in a loving, gracious God, then certainly acceptance of other people would be moving society closer to God, and not the other way around, right?

[iopunderstealth]

@fryl0ck33 Absolutely, you make convincing points but people have values held, and are reluctant to change even if that's for the better. Which is sad, some people actually believe that we should turn away from cloning because it's against even though it can save lives.

If God is loving, he'll understand that people want to live and understand that we have the technology to save people. Isn't not using all we have to save people the same and letting them die the same as killing them?

[iopunderstealth]

@fryl0ck33 And yes, of course, there is also the belief that even if you are gay that God made you the way you are and nothing can separate you from his love. I think I like that one the most. :D

[fryl0ck33]

@iopunderstealth Which happens to be the belief I hold to, hear hear! :)

[mgproductions2007]

ur hair is like TJ's

[iopunderstealth]

TJ wears it a lot better...

[smoketwojoints42O]

you're a cutie =]

[iopunderstealth]

I think so too :D

Thanks for viewing and thanks for the sarcasm!

[smoketwojoints42O]

what sarcasm ._.

[BenMuseShaman]

lol :/

[SecondResponse]

wow! you look like you got punched in the nose.

[BloodveinMovies]

I completely agree on the not arguing. I am not the type of person to push my belief on other people. However though I do like to promote the idea of looking at a subject from all angles. Know what I mean?

Cause I am not going to sit here and say your going to burn hell, yada yada yada and I expect the same courtesy, which you have obliviously shown in this video. I can appreciate anyone's thought on any subject as long as they are not trying to demeanor my views.

[BloodveinMovies]

Another thought is that science is just proving how grand the design god made.

[BloodveinMovies]

They are actually not contrasting views. However science furthers along religion. Because science doesn't necessarily prove anything but instead brings more questions. (if you are looking to disprove or prove religion that is.)

However at least your not doing the ignorant TJ deal and talking about magical fairies. lol

Your turtle video was humorous, lol.

[iopunderstealth]

Thank you, I'm a large step away from being neutral but even though I am not the most accepting guy about it, I try to keep my opinions to myself about that kind of thing, no use arguing.

Glad you liked my turtle video...

[ksting14]

Neil, your everywhere I look. The Dangle videos, the TJ videos, lol. Keep it up. I agree with everything you said. I also fall under the category of only believing what I see and touch. That being said, I sincerely hope I'm wrong because with no after life this world becomes incredibly depressing. I don't like the thought of when it ends it ends but I just can't bring myself to believe in an after life. Hmmm maybe there's something to this reincarnation thingy. Jibberish filled rant over.

[iopunderstealth]

I try to get my channel around!

Yeah, the world without hope of an after life is depressing, no doubt about it, perhaps I'm just too closed minded enough for the thought...

I usually live by the motto, to prepare for and expect the worst is better than expecting the best and not preparing at all...

[Noctokage]

I find it interesting that you find the idea of nonexistence so depressing. From my perspective, the idea that once I'm dead, I'm gone is more comforting than the idea of infinite existence. There is only a finite amount of knowledge to obtain, experiences to... experience. At some point, even heaven would become boring. That and I really don't think I'd hold similar ideals to a god if he/she/it did exist... So I guess there are two sides to that coin.

[iopunderstealth]

I've never looked at it like that before, you do have a point...

[Goodsux]

Science is fucking bullshit. Anyone who believes that garbage is just as foolish as believing in god. So Atheist whorship science at the end of the day.

There has been some shit that has happened where science can't explan it.

[iopunderstealth]

Alright, since you shit on science AND religion, where do you stand...

[Nashtak5000]

I despite religion.

I am not theist.

I don't believe i'll find answers in science really.

What am in your point view?

[iopunderstealth]

A curious person that lives in the moment...do you actively seek an answer, because if not then you have nothing to worry about...

[LeafsFan120]

Well it can be argued that religion can cause war just look at Israel or the on going fight between the Muslims and Hindus in India. I think one thing you need to remember is that all the main holy books (ie Bible, Tripitaka, Koran) ironically has good values with each teaching to be peaceful to put it simply. But your right the problems come when they feel it necessary to convert you (or else)

[christo930]

That is just it, they don't have good values. Have you read the bible? It is filled with the most vile hatred. In the first chapter alone, almost every living animal on the planet is murdered by an angry petty god. Then there is the slavery, the incest (girls getting their father drunk and having sex with him), murders, animal sacrifices (because god just loves the smell of burning animals). The book is sick and all Christians should read it.

[LeafsFan120]

i think most definitely people should be entitled to what they believe, you know what they think is right (to a certain extent of course) If their beliefs make them feel good then let them keep their beliefs. No need for criticizing, I show my respect to people of any religious background.

[iopunderstealth]

Well said!

[christo930]

Until they start telling you that you deserve to be tortured for eternity just because you don't believe the same BS that they believe. Then they start telling you what a sinner you are and how you fall short and that if you just believe that some guy was murdered in the middle east 2000 years ago to make up for every wrong thing you've done in your life you will be rewarded for eternity. JUST FOR BELIEVING.

[iopunderstealth]

Well, tolerance is the key, not abolisition, you're not going to get rid of religion but as we have noticed strongly believing in religion to the point that you let it control you is dangerous, I think awareness of thought is pertinent to life itself...

[christo930]

But if religion is true, you should let it control you. After all, if the supreme being of the universe created the universe with you in mind you should do what he says. Problem is, is that it's all made up. Why should we respect or tolerate any organization that wants me to "obey" them? Why should we tolerate organizations that get people to commit suicide taking as many with them as possibly? Religion deserves contempt and disgust. We need to get people to drop their religions, not force them.

[iopunderstealth]

While I share your anxiety with the religous world I would like to point out that an institution which has such a steadfast belief would not easily drop their views, so how do you get them to do that?

Doesn't that go aganist our rights to choose, to believe what we like?

[christo930]

I don't think change should be forced on people, but I do believe that if it became socially acceptable for people to openly criticize religion in the public forum, it would evaporate very quickly. Religion can not stand up to scrutiny. And even if it is just relegated to the status of astrology, that would be good enough.

[Impulse799]

theistic evolution = people who believe in pascal's wager

[chansler84]

ugh.. the "devolving into turtles" video effing rocked!

[iopunderstealth]

Thanks man! Glad you liked that video!

[GUIDOBRAT]

Usually in these threads, ppl who happen to see an intelligent design in the universe are summarily dismissed as naive little twits, but I take issue w/ that. Why are atheists so defensive if their conclusions on the non-existence of God is so beyond reproach in their estimation? Why do they invariably castigate and belittle any alternative view ? I tend to believe this vengefulness only reveals an underlying lack of certainty in the infallibility of their own ideas.

[jCwel]

well . I don't think it's possible to fake a belief. You believe or you don't believe

[iopunderstealth]

Well, yes and no, people grow up in families with some pressure to believe a certain way.

Think about the pressure of liking the same hockey team as your father simply because he does, then after a while you gain a liking and acustomed to that team...

In the same way if you're surrounded by something that lauds itself as fact, you will, more than likely, come to believe that fact...

[PistolOfShame]

actually... sorry, a little Nazi action here, but if science says something is true, it's not science. Science says something hasn't been proved false. Science assumes that something is the way it says it is because no testing has proved it false. This is not the same as being true. Religion is the one that says something, namely miracles and gods, is true.

[iopunderstealth]

Extremely well said, and thanks for commenting to the jackass on my video!

[PistolOfShame]

yeah well he was such a jackass that I had to point out such a little detail like that. But seriously, there was no judging. it's just that it's past midnight here, and when I'm tired, I go into Fact-Nazi mode.

Also, you're videos are pretty entertaining

[iopunderstealth]

No, I didn't take it as judging the point of the video wasn't to say that I was right or anything was right but to provide a possible explanation as to why people would accept two definitions to understand the same thing.

It is for conversation and comments like your that I do these videos.

Thanks, I am glad you find my videos entertaining!

[PistolOfShame]

yup. And thanks for the brief flash of... a package of... bread?

[iopunderstealth]

LOL, yup, finnish bread no less!

[PistolOfShame]

yay you got what I meant lol

[iopunderstealth]

I actually miss read it as "breast" the first time around and was like "...what?"

[PistolOfShame]

well that too. I got my exercise for the day

[iopunderstealth]

Thanks for subscribing dude, good to have you on board!

[PistolOfShame]

Of course. Good to have you making videos.

[LouistheHedgehog]

Keep in mind that it was the theists that actually proved that evolution is real. You can see that in the first of the "Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism" videos here on youtube.

And no, I'm not covering my ass. I don't believe the way I do out of fear. But I do understand that there is a difference between belief and knowledge. I only believe there is a God for the same reason why people don't; it's my right.

[Mrstabbor]

I think TJ rushed at the end saying that it makes no sense,there are many possible answers and yours is a valid one.

I also thought some of this type of people chose to lie themselves because science is cold,and the concept that one day you simply seize to exist as a conscience is terrifying.

So if believing in the "magic land" makes one feel less terrified,then what can I say beside go for it?

I rather stick to my cold reality tho.

[iopunderstealth]

Absolutly, whatever makes life easier for you is not for me or anyone else to judge as long as it doesn't make someone elses life harder, but thats a conversation for another day...

[doomguardian]

Great video, But what I'm aware of is that we have a pineal gland (symbolized as the pine cone in ancient Egypt, and The Vatican in London) which is kind of like our third eye so-to-speak that's pea-sized. It is responsible for the production of the psychotropic compound DMT. We also have a very small frequency range of the available light and sound.

[MephilesSolaris]

You can knock off science, science might be all lies.

Exemple : Matrix

[sandiegoalfredo]

hey man quick question...

WOULD YOU say that you respect a creationist more than you would a theistic evolutionist?

[iopunderstealth]

Respect isn't a factor, I think we are people before we are believers, however, I believe a creationist has their eyes more closed to the truth but they also aren't wishy washy...

Its a tough call, because theistic evolutionists are very wishy washy but they do take science into account, but respect one more than the other? No...

People deserve respect until they disrespect you...

[pricer5]

Science can't answer everything. For example, wether or not God exists. You can't put God in a test tube and scientifically prove or disprove him. So that is why faith is involved in God.

[iopunderstealth]

I actually said this in the comments, I choose not to critic people on their beliefs because I can't prove there isn't a God, however, due to the scientific explanations behind a number of things the bible says I go my own way.

As far as faith being involved in God...thanks captain obvious...sorry, bit harsh...

[teliana77]

Well.... your right you can't knock science and I suppose an eventually merging with religion and science is only inevitable.

I'm not religious.... prove to me there is a god. Prove to me there isn't a god. You can't prove it either way but if I was to become religious I would like my religeon to match what we already know from science.

It's really only logical.... It's not like religious text has even been changed to fit the will of people /cough.

[iopunderstealth]

This is very true...

[JADasher]

I really don't know what to believe science wise... years from now what we know as science could be proven wrong just as scientist believed the earth was flat...years later they discovered different.

I can't really accept anything as fact anymore because it may change and there is a high probability of it changing in the future. There is no telling what actually happened since science always reaches a new census it seems.

I'll probably never know and that is the worst part. =/

[iopunderstealth]

Well, to be honest there are certain definitive things science has proven that can be accepted as fact, I like to think in terms of micro, like we used to think the atom was the smallest thing, but then we split one...yeah, we were wrong, but the fact remains that the atom is still very small and discovering the smaller things helped us understand the atom as a whole, I think we are building, not changing completely...

[iopunderstealth]

Thanks for watching and for your very insightful comment!

[franklystrange]

Uh, scientists never believed the earth was flat. Research Ptolemy. He made all of the greeks believe that the earth was round from the shadow of the moon. Galileo also proved the earth was round, but the religious church put him under house arrest. So science proved the earth was round, religion proved it wrong... or so they thought.

[iopunderstealth]

Let us not forget about what religious people used to do to epilieptic people...gastly practice...

[omgnuub]

great video, i liked it. i think youre being a little soft on the mental patients/religious but, still. good video.

[iopunderstealth]

Thanks a lot, I don't try to crap on people for their beliefs, but I defend my own when asked...

[namesuxors]

that was very nicely stated

[iopunderstealth]

Well, thank you, thats really just luck, it was around 5:30 am and I hadn't slept yet, so I wasn't sure it would be good or not, thanks for viewing!

[ian5534]

that guys a jerk but yah i rated five stars and any update on the guitar hero world tour and did you get it for PS3 or 360 i am assuming for ps3 and i just answered one of my own questions anyway to laxzy to erase stuff and GO pitsburgh nexy friday on your blog show i have a story to tell you about pitsburgh hats i might tell you sometme during the week but doubt i will be on do 2 the fact that i need to studing for exams

[iopunderstealth]

Good luck with exams, I wish I was still writing exams in public school, that stuff was so simple...ugh, I want my life back...LOL

[maxbigwood]

Evolution has been proven and so I have to believe in it.

I also happen to believe in God and that he sent down that Jesus guy.

I don't believe in the creation story, since it is obviously fake and has been disproven. The existence of God and the miracles that Jesus did have yet to be disproven. I don't see why evolution and the belief in those things can't go together

[iopunderstealth]

See, this is the problem, you kinda are taking what I am saying out of context, you believe differently than Theistic Evolutionists, unless you belief that god was nudging evolution and safeguarding some speicies...

You have a unique belief that you think God exists but Evolution is true, baring the fact that you believe that God had his hand in evolution...

So, your comment isn't really fair in of the fact that you are only theistic evolutionist if you think God had his hand in evolution

[iopunderstealth]

"unless you belief that god was nudging evolution and safeguarding some speicies..."

belief should be believe...sorry

[franklystrange]

Yes, and I believe in fairies because they still haven't been disproven, meaning, that they DO live underground and are afraid of humans because they are big and loud. But yeah, I guess my god Gulpashit-pooalot didn't shit out the planets after all because of this big bang thing, and that animals aren't actually brownie batter from his kitchen.

'I think that is a little exaggerated of how stupid religion sounds to me, but it still sounds stupid.'

[humanlyhuman]

good arguement, like amaingly good, but when we split the first atom we had faith it didnt kill us all, and when we built greater buildings we had faith they wouldnt just crumble or the tall and skinny ones wouldnt just fall over. so faith in something is always needed and i have faith in a god

[iopunderstealth]

and that is something I respect and cannot change, and I wouldn't want to, you have your belief and I have mine.

I rely only on the fact that we are all people and we should all be treated equally regardless of race, belief or lifestyle...

[humanlyhuman]

although we should be treated equaly there is a crossable line although:

a black man, jewish man, christian, and an athiest(3 commonly picked on kind of ppl) should be treated equaly cus its morally right even though there deffinately not the same, throw in a murderer he should be treated the same as a human being but obviously restricted as he shouldnt get 100% free speach and much more vaulable things in todays wolrd

so even though i aggree with you there are obvious restrictions

[iopunderstealth]

My above belief is a utopian vision, meaning it's an ideal world, so it will never happen...

[humanlyhuman]

that would be great, but i doubt it will happen

[iopunderstealth]

Well, it presents a lot of problems because a lot of crimes, murders, etc are caused by unequal treatment, so we would need to re-examine and reevaluate each case...its a lot of red tape, as I said, utopian...

[humanlyhuman]

great idea but atleast the the american judicial courts are actualy lazy and very forward to stamping red ink on a file, so it would be a while and contreversy may or would happen in the process

[iopunderstealth]

Contraversy would certainly happen in the process, but its too complex, the idea is too unreal, because there will always be separation, class, race, color, belief, orientation, you name it... but I like to pretend that it's a good idea...

[cheerfeverextra]

Wow! Totally agree, with each point hit on. It's so true, you can't deny science. But, religion can be denied again and again, it's all taken on faith and hope, there is something more to it. Which, is there God? That might be one question science may never be able to answer. Ever? Who knows, guess we'll wait and see if science can answer it.

[iopunderstealth]

Excellent comment and its likely that science never will, because a lot of the things that would prove a god are somewhat unproveable by science leaving people who believe in religion the oppurtunity for reasonable doubt...

I'd get used to living with the both of them...

[Kisstory07]

your exactly right, people only believe in god to save their own ass

[iopunderstealth]

I hate how its so easy to see for some...

[LeafsFan120]

I got a unique view on religion.I am what is called a deist. A deist is someone who believe that there is some sort of force (or God) behind making the universe but however does not believe in any of the Gods in religion. So I don't believe in the Christian God, Budha etc... Oh yes and I believe and accept all science.

[iopunderstealth]

I don't know, I stopped believe way back for a number of reasons, all were boring and none are worth mentioning, but basically religion lacks substance...

[captcaveman4201]

you say " which means i beleive in only what i can see and touch and prove". in one of your annotations.. i can prove to you that something exists that you can not see or touch.

[iopunderstealth]

I don't think you couldn't, perhaps it was poorly worded, but there are a large number of reasons why I don't believe in a super natural being BUT they are too wordy and meaningless to put in a video.

But, I will say this, I go on fact or evidence, something that exists based on scientific proof and nothing else, can science deny god? No, but it can't prove the existance of one either...

I guess I'm not a faithful type...

[captcaveman4201]

its like this.. say for example, you ask the question are dreams real??? some might say absolutly not.. they are not something that you can touch or anything like that.. But do they cross over into the real world and effect us? Absolutly !!

[EikC]

Here's a great tactic for people like that: Troll them back. For example, it says on his profile that he goes to a Christian school, so ask him if he's ever gotten in trouble for touching himself while reading Leviticus! :)

[iopunderstealth]

LOL, wow, thanks so much for checking him out....

I wish I had more viewers with that sense of humour

I'd recruit you to subscribe but I don't normally do videos to so with religion but thanks for watching all the same!