Mumia Abu-Jamal -- The Fall of the House of Capital ??

[MikeKay1978]

I do understand that the banks played fouled game with the kredits but every person has it responsibility, you canot buy a house that you cannot afford! Of course Mumia is right about one thing that the individual had to take responsibility and pay for, the way of the capitalist, The banks on the other hand didn't The responsibility for the banks actions was socialized. So you see capitalism is like communism, its an utopia.

[k3304]

this guy shouldnt be breathing let alone talking on You Tube

[DonSlipDubO55]

@k3304....LONG LIVE LORD MUMIA ABU JAMAL

[TheSr1m]

no danny7698 the only one who be getting volted up there arse is ur white hide getting lynched by niggars ur mum is a low down 5 dollar whore so fuck her 4 me just 4 the black power movement

[TheDanny7698]

Give Mumia More power! 50,000 volts of power.

[eazyreccords117]

is this about the new world order

[DominicMetal1979]

Ok I'll answer.

1. You rely on quotes from thinkers (this is also evident from your profile), rather than a genuine understanding of the truth.

2. I'm not saying monopolies are good. I know they are not. Usually it is collusion with the state that results in monopoly, not real Capitalism.

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Capitalism is the removal of force from human economic relationships. EVERY other form of economy requires the initiation of force in order to work. No man has the right to initiate force against others.

[DominicMetal1979]

This blowhard is railing against Capitalism, based on things like $700 billion bailouts. WHICH ISN'T EVEN CAPITALISM. He's a liar and a deceiver, and I can only hope there are a few good young people out there who aren't fooled by him and his ilk.

[Menace3434]

this is actually capitalism at work this is actually capitalism in her Keynesian form

[DominicMetal1979]

Keynesism is a perversion of Capitalism at best. You're dishonest and you know it. The only way you and your ilk can survive is to get the govt to FORCE thinking men to support you. Done talking to you now, because of what you demonstrated in your other comment.

[Menace3434]

why you defend it then ?? and to say Keynesism is a perversion of Capitalism is to say that market socialism is a perversion of Marxism and that we need to go back to Marx again which i rather go to Bakunin or Kropotkin but this is my opinion you dogmatic capitalists and Marxists are fucked

[IgorDraskovic]

@DominicMetal1979 A clarification about the Marxist definition of monopoly in capitalism.  We Marxist understand "Monopoly Capitalism" as an advanced stage of capitalism, not some perversion or deviation from "original" or "real/pure" capitalism as envisioned by political economist of the 18th century such as Adam Smith. This is why Monopoly Capitalism is present in every developed capitalist economy in the world.

[semaifirtes]

@DominicMetal1979 The bailouts *are* an inevitable part of capitalism in the real world. Whatever fantasy world you imagine is irrelevant. We have to deal with things as they are and not live in far-fetched abstraction. So while I'm an anarchist, I'm not going to pretend that the really-existing world is not such a thing. It is, and your fantasy of "perfect competition", is a load of nonsense (even though there's nothing stopping a "perfect market" from developing similar institutions)

[k3304]

@DominicMetal1979 , good comment ! you are so right !

[DominicMetal1979]

Capitalism has created almost all the wealth on this planet. Those who haven't created anything, are envious and resentful. (ahem - Rage Against The Machine) So they want to take it from those who created it. THAT is why they hate Capitalism.

[Menace3434]

the workers create wealth not the capitalist class and remember statistics show 70% of the worlds wealth is held by 1% of the worlds population the wealth is more concentrated then in the feudal days even feudalism didn't achieve that plus if you read the wealth of nations by Adam Smith the modern founder of capitalism there must be no concentration of wealth of any kind so a capitalist society to strive

[DominicMetal1979]

1. It is only the intelligence and direction of a Capitalist that converts the worker's efforts from hand-to-mouth sustenence, into wealth.

2. Adam Smith doesn't "own" Capitalism. I doubt he said what you are saying; if anything it's socialism/Communism that insists everyone's wealth should be equal.

[Menace3434]

monopolies in capitalism must not exist because monopolies are concentrations of wealth when you have centralized wealth then your more closer to Marx's socialism then ever in fact that's why famous capitalists like Murray Rothbard for example said that state socialism is a form on capitalist monopoly or as we call it state capitalism and Adam Smith actually said that second the workers actually generate wealth they create the actual commodities learn some economics

[DominicMetal1979]

Well, now I will not continue to discuss it with you, since you added that juvenile "learn some economics." It is obvious from my previous comments that I have learned economics, even if you disagree with my assertions, so this proves you are not fit nor willing to have an intellectual discussion. You're also not an honest person, or I wouldn't have had to try to convince you of what is manifestly true. You're a liar.

[Menace3434]

i quoted Adam Smith and i quoted Murray Rothbard 2 major capitalist thinkers and you still assert that capitalist monopolies are good how can capitalist competition work in a monopolized industry ?? answer this question for me and we will end

[arberia2008]

who shot the cop ? who shot mumia? who shot mumias brother? what cab company was mumia working for? which police precint did this occur? was there any anti-government anti-american movement in that area? what line of work was mumias brother in? was mumia a well known journalist at that time? did mumia and his brother have criminal records prior to this 4 am tragedy? were there any other casualties that night? was there any internal competition within the black panthers at that time?

[arberia2008]

someone please tell me do i have it right so far?

[arberia2008]

ok, so mumia was working as a cabbie for extra money, while on his shift as a cabbie at approx. 4 am, he runs into his brother who had just been shot?, somewhere around the red light district, so afterwards, mumia comes to and sees that he has been shot and also a the cop?...basicly, hookers are witnesses, cops want this guy really bad. if he didnt shoot that cop then someone did. so you have a brother shot, a cop shot and mumia shot. in the red light district where he was as a cabbie?

[arberia2008]

can anybody tell me why is that fellow mumia on death row?

[pacerbb]

framed for murder

[DominicMetal1979]

Because he's a murderer. (Look up the facts online. Don't listen to people here.)

[arberia2008]

and the world thought that we won when the soviet union fell. what happened was that they fell to fight another day. now this day is soon coming< but they will not be soviets, they will be our next door neighbor. the seed is well planted and the roots and weeds are all over, growing like wildfire on american institutions.

[Steadno]

Define the ciphers know the problem: 10 5 23 19

[wormwood58]

Sexymalcolm says it all...and I am Canadian...We need to react and stop this madness...

[kenatlaw]

Mumia should explain why he executed Daniel Faulkner like the chicken-shit murdering bastard he is and stay the fuck out of politics. The USSR failed, as has every other socialist republic--he lives better in his death row box than 9/10 of the people in the Cuba or China . . . why the hell do people listen to this murdering worthless son of a bitch.

[qbannis]

People listen to him because they're tired of hearing what people like you have to say. Also most believe he is not a murderer. Bottom line: intelligent, thoughtful folks will always have an audience, no matter how loud the ignoramuses protest.

[jasonbravo77]

Some considered Hitler to be intelligent and thoughtful, so I guess you have a point. Sheep will follow just about anyone, won't they? Even if they have blood on their hands.

[BTSbAR]

And America doesn't have blood on her hands?

[jasonbravo77]

Is America a person?

[Menace3434]

no America is a country and a superpower and in general superpowers have imperialistic policies and they kill on a band roll everybody blames the Soviet Union for their imperialist crimes but nobody sees what the US done the US is the single country in the 21century that uses proxy wars and invades countries whit out respecting the U.N. Charter Iraq is the most current example by Article 39, of the U.N. Charter the Iraq war was an act of aggression and Bush and his cabinet are war criminals

[jasonbravo77]

Couldn't agree more. However, none of this is new. And none of this justifies Mumia shooting a cop, which was the argument at hand.

I mean, if David Duke was bitching about the Iraq war and financial investment houses, would you listen? I seriously doubt it.

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[Menace3434]

Mumia didn't do it we have the actual crime scene photos showing clearly how policemen are tempering whit the crime scene and hiding evidence and don't compare the right wing whit the left outside all this crime fuss Americans listen to Mumia cause he alongside some others he's the only far left activist in the US so people find what he says interesting cause for American's Marxism is something very bohemian but right wing nationalism for American's is something old and obscure

[jasonbravo77]

Can you maybe try that again? With punctuation this time?

Mumia's not an activist, he's a murderer. And sorry, I don't listen to murderers.

And why did you dodge my question? If David Duke or Scott Peterson was bitching and whining about the same things, would you take notice?

Absolutely not.

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[Menace3434]

you can't compare a Marxist whit a white supremacist that's dumb and sorry English wasn't my first language if you wanna be so arrogant and correct me you can fuck yourself and eat a apple pie I'm not living in your country to be subjected to such arrogance and once again Mumia didn't do it the evidence was tempered it and all this was a sham done by a "commie" hating police department ohh and Mumia is an activist Noam Chomsky backed that up ;)

[jasonbravo77]

Racism is racism. Prejudice is prejudice. The KKK and the Black Panthers are two sides of the same racist coin.

But Mumia took it one step further than David Duke and actually acted on his racist tendencies. Now, I don't know what country you're from, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't fly there either.

So keep talking smack about something you know nothing about. Since English is your 2nd language, I'm assuming you haven't read the court transcripts, or wouldn't understand them anyway.

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[BTSbAR]

I completely agree with you, but America is run by people who should be subjected to the same laws that the public must abide by. I agree, Mumia killed Daniel Faulkner, the evidence speaks for itself, but the people running our country have done far worse in the name of democracy, and those people are walking free. Where is the freedom in Mumia being locked up and Oliver North gets his own talk show on Fox News. Last time I checked, smuggling cocaine is a federal offense.

[Menace3434]

no man these people are hypocrites police brutality in the black communities is sky high even now days and nobody acts on it but everybody acts on Mumia getting fried this is whit double standard man they call the BPP racists but when it comes to their police officers killing random black men no they aren't

[Menace3434]

the BPP were a racist organization ?? are you retarded the BPP had white and yellow members John Lennon was a honorific member of the BPP cause John Lennon was a notable Marxist himself you American's always jump to conclusions search the interview in prison whit Huey p Newton he recommends a book by CHE GUEVARA a half Spanish half Irish revolutionary they always fought whit the police cause the police was hassling the black community and they do it now days too AKA Rodney King and Oscar Grant

[jasonbravo77]

Ummmm...are you serious?

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[Menace3434]

yes i am serious Oscar Grant's killer is free and living good because he is a cop in 2 years 2 unarmed innocent black men were killed by policemen and the policemen are now free is that justice ?? the KKK is the POLICE even now in the 21 century whit a black president cops kill random black men what to say about the 60's and 70's when they were killing us on a roll ohh and search a video by John Lennon endorsing the BPP and search pics whit asian people in the 70's whit Free huey signs

[jasonbravo77]

I'm not talking about Oscar Grant or John Lennon. The BPP was racist. If you think otherwise, you're not being realistic.

And I'm not sure where you're from, but I had cops of all races in my neighborhood.

[Menace3434]

how they were racists when their doctrine was a Marxist doctrine did you know they kicked out half of their members for having strong black nationalist tendencies ?? check the interview whit Huey P Newton the BPP was getting more Marxist by the day check on wikipedia their international affiliation and you will see why they were destroyed and they legacy fucked whit this is all about politics and defending the status quo back in the 60's and 70's The US Communist Party was destroyed in the same

[Menace3434]

The Communist Party Of The US was destroyed and demonized in the same way in the 50's and mid 60's and it had only white members and they weren't racist they were communists cause they have the right to be ones as well ass the panthers had the right to be communists too but both organizations lived in a time when the US was doing more purges in the political landscape then Stalin himself LOL

[jasonbravo77]

Jesus fucking Christ. I can't read your comments when you don't use punctuation. I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

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[Menace3434]

mmkay you don't have arguments so you use arrogance to sound cool plain and simple Marxists can't be racists it's impossible second the crackdown on the BPP was because they were communists as well as the Communist Party Of The US crackdown that was a white majority party during the 60's and mid 70's your country purged people like Stalin in his days

[jasonbravo77]

Ummm, no, I have arguments all day. But your English is a disaster. I'm not even sure you know what you're saying, because it makes absolutely no sense. How am I supposed to argue with someone when I don't know what he's saying?

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[Menace3434]

yup that's the arrogance i am talking about you burn inside when you really know the BPP and all left wing opposition in your so called free country was purged exact like in the Soviet Union you really burn inside when you know that the BPP and all left wing parties and organizations were victims and don't bring me that BS about the KKK cause in your country the hammer and sickle sign is banned but the swastika noso ironic

[jasonbravo77]

The hammer and sickle is banned in my country? That's funny. I can walk one block from my front door and find about 5 different hammer and sickly t-shirts available for $10.

So I ask you again...what the fuck are you talking about?

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[Menace3434]

yes it is banned from political use you can't register as a party if you have that sign as an emblem the law is from the McCarthyist era but the famous American Nazi party is a registered party and their emblem is registered too guess what emblem they have ?? you already know and what i am talking about ?? well Mumia alongside whit all purged 50's 60's and 70's era activists are victims of the fascistic US government trade unions and hippies were dangerous racists too in your opinion

[jasonbravo77]

Like I give a flying fuck what people can use as a symbol for their ass-backwards, defunct, loser political party???

Let's get back to the big picture, shall we? Mumia murdered a cop, and there's overwhelming evidence of him doing so. 12 jurors concluded that, and 3 courts have upheld the verdict since then.

You're a fool if you think otherwise, or if you think the killing was justified. That's the bottom line. So focus on your meaningless details all you want - I really don't care.

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[julioshawtylean76]

@qbannis Truth truth

[Jesusthepalestinian]

Bless you Mumia Abu-Jamal

cheers and Regard Menace3434

[sexymalcom1970]

An interesting analysis of this sham is as follows: bin laden warned the west he would bleed their economies dry in the war on terror. also who gains from this bailout? not the masses but the greedy fat cats who created the problem. This is all done at the tax payers expense. When will people wake up and hold their leaders accountable, answer never because the so called democratic system we live in is autocratic and dissent is viewed as criminal. Wake up sheep

[KageTrauma]

By the time we wake up, we'll already be dead.

[AceKat00o]

Nice ,but how come the guverment didnt shut him up ?