I think what he’s saying is that much modern poetry lacks personal inspiration and thought that actually has real meaning. Instead, like expressionistic art, it may inadvertently have a meaning. E.G.: “All the horror of life is ambiguous, / It means nothing to me. / So let it now be said, / That horror is for the dead.” At a casual glance it means nothing, but some readers may try to think about it. At this point, the meaning is manufactured in a reader’s mind who tries to make some sense of it.
ok, lets give this a try. i wake up after sleeping for a while. and then i get up. and then i go get dressed. and then i go eat froot loops. and then i go to school. and then i sleep. and then i come home from school. and then i start my homework. and then i give up on my homework. and then i play xbox. and then i sleep. and then i repeat
I like this. Probably the best thing about this assembly-line approach to poetry is that it forces you to write and revise while directing you away from anxietites associated with writing (writer's block, fear of failure, lack of inspiration).
i have a messege to forward to all the human kind which is revealed 1400 years ago & that is from the god of all the universe & the messege is (la ilaha illallah muhammad rasool allah) which means "there is no god but allah and muhammad is the messenger of allah"
The advice he gives is excellent from one point of view, in that you have to kill the part of the mind that would edit and polish, and let the unconscious gallop free. I have used the stopwatch technique for writing stories and my first submission was published so it's worked for me. However, at a later date it is necessary to edit the rambling thoughts into some sort of shape. The first poem he reads, by the way, is excellent indeed.
The video was unplanned, simply a monthly 8 minutes with friends. The poems at end were written using the method. A poem in 5 minutes. 12 poems an hour. 1 of the 12 will be worth holding to look at later. After writing 100 poems this way, the unconscious and conscious work together. And the resulting poems will be better than 90% of modern poetry. Including Billy Collins.
I think this whole video is in jest, right? The speaker doesn't like modern poetry, and writing as suggested in the video would be precisely some form of modern poetry. The confusing thing is the performance of the poems at the end, which are supposed to be examples of the method? Or they were written with conscious effort, and have nothing to do with what was said before?
also u say somewhere while i'm half listening while rolling a cigarette that 50 years ago when you started... hang about you've been doing this 50 years and all you've got to show for it is a poem printed in some magazine, that for all you know, that week they were short of page fillers. that gives you a right to do the college proffessor rant? if that's all i had achieved in 50 years i would spend my time inventing a time machine so to tell urself 50 yrs ago to change to a different hobby
why on earth would you want to write something to win an award. if that's the only or main impetus for creative writing then may i suggest that you save yourself alot of time and energy by booking some time with a phychiatrist who can then remove your misplaced desires and stop your desire to be loved manifesting itself via creative writing. there's only one reason to write and that's because you dont have a choice, if that's not the case dont write so not to inflict mediocrity upon our minds
This says a lot about one poet's contempt for his readers. It's also a sad statement about the way so many "poets" craft their poetry and think they know poetry. What is it they say - given infinite time and an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters, the monkeys would eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare? Doubt it, but now and then even a careless versifier will write something that touches a reader in unintended ways.
true true jessiebelle. howmany times in the history of pop music have we heard a great one hit wonder, and the artist never gets up to that standard again, i think that everyone who has a go at something long enuf, like you say, will create one good piece in among the mediocrity. everyone given time has got one good song, one good "poem", one good story in them, but is it worth spending that time on that one short moment, of that i am unsure
True; there's always the danger of being that one hit wonder. But if poetry is your passion, you don't sit there questioning whether it's worth the time and effort. I write poetry, but I don't say "I'm a poet." I'm a writer. I earn a good living as a writer. I recognize the fact that (a) I'm no Billy Collins, and (b) no one's going to pay me enough to write poetry - enough to put my kids through college or keep a roof over our heads. I did win a few awards (over $100 for one poem;astounding!).
i had written a couple of comments on this page and felt like i was hogging a lil'. so i thought i may have gotten away with one more if it was responding to a prior comment, when really it was just an additional dig at this gary flint guy, who i have googled and dosn't seem to exist, well in the field of writing if not in his own self congratulatory mind, just because ur no b collins dosnt mean you are not superior to him in some other style, i realize u say that to humble ur sucesses, kudos
I don't believe in false modesty, but arrogance is ghastly and unattractive. I LIKE my readers. I became an instant fan of Billy Collins when I heard him read "The Lanyard" on NPR. Not because it was the best poem EVER, but because I'm mom to a boy - and I wanted to go find my son, hug him, and say "It IS enough." :) When writing inspires or provokes that kind of impulse, it's GOOD writing. Thanks for your replies - I'd forgotten all about this thread. ;)
I don't understand much at all, especially that part about "means nothing to me", and the "I don't care" =P
Maybe I have misunderstood it but I assume the point of a poem is to instill feelings. Is the best way to create such text to write purely from the unconscious?
being a pretentious bastard about things will get you nowhere. people who make these videos take poetry way to seriously, they make it way to complicated. you have the wrong technique if you're out to just win awards fool. and shame on me for wasting my time watching it.
PHFapowrjta I got paid to write a 50 word review on this video. Infact. there are 10,000 youtube videos that pay me 50 cents per fifty word review. it takes a few seconds :P How i do this. Is a secret. BUWWHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAAA
some people like this, i dont want poetry lessons from a jumpy little girl or hardcore gangster rapper, poetry lessons should be given by older little strange men... and he does that, so what is this negative comment all about?
God this is ridiculous. Tourette's syndrome sufferers blurt out things straight from their "unconscious'". It isn't necessarily poetry and if it is, then it is incidental. What you are describing is an ancient technique for FIRST DRAFTS. not poems.
Grant how I thank you for your precious gift... may your originality touch us all and continue to live eternally.
I've found the more you do it, the more sense they make, because wondering off into an unexplored land is strange at first, but then you relax and begin to SEE in what's in that land.
Your thinking then starts to fade out, and you write moving your hand while translating images or ideas into words unknown--unknowingly--a switch is set on, and a story appears, by itself, making sense
I jumped hard on Joyless for his criticism, explaining why what you wrote was exactly how to do it, writing fast, writing 10 poems an hour.
After 30 poems, the unconcious has been trained to be useable, creating fresh original images and themes, and then the conscious relaxes and gently knows how to choose and enhance the unconscious richness, and produce quickly dynamic finished poetry which is published. Enjoy your vibrant secret poetry!
This wasnt what I was asking exactly. What I was asking was how to use your subconscious like Grant says to pull out information and words from another dimension...then can you sculpt that..and what I posted was what I pulled out. You shouldnt jump the gun, I was quite surprised at this response. I wasnt asking if this could pass for a poem.
Write ten of them an hour. By the third hour, your unconscious and conscious will be natural partners with no gritting of teeth on your part. It's magic. Do 30 poems this way, fast, uninhibited, and you will be producing fresh, inspired, original, valuable poems that are published as my students and I are published.
Are you kidding me? A poem is not supposed to be abstract. This is exactly how NOT to write a poem. Too many people think you can just sit down and write a poem in a few minutes. NO! Poetry is a learned and practiced art, just like painting, playing the piano, and sculpting. It takes years of learning, practicing, reading, and REVISION! Revision alone, is a long process. One needs enough space from their poem to be able to approach it with a fresh perspective. Poetry is reader centered.
For its in the cell of the body to see for all has happened so go now out to the sky for seeing the blue in the ready feathers to somber and livid sky As bellows to see a member of the ghostly rememberance signals the rest Anyways the time is now To have taken so many away There is much to live in the garden of pleasure grow them out in the yonder wilderness and to come coast to bring the very warmth on the breast To slide up and out and in and everywhere So goes the talisman
I've awoken. Longing for that access into the subconscious I wrote on blindly without it. I couldn't find my way in until you Grant turned on the light.
I tonight wrote three of those whipped up unconcious recipes. It's just I dont know if your rules allow editing if not this is what came out of me, and makes no sense at all...maybe I'll see that it does?
So is the time that comes in the day
splendid things are to know, if they work come to the heart that pleasure grows..
I think what he’s saying is that much modern poetry lacks personal inspiration and thought that actually has real meaning. Instead, like expressionistic art, it may inadvertently have a meaning. E.G.: “All the horror of life is ambiguous, / It means nothing to me. / So let it now be said, / That horror is for the dead.” At a casual glance it means nothing, but some readers may try to think about it. At this point, the meaning is manufactured in a reader’s mind who tries to make some sense of it.
lawshorizon 1 week ago
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lawshorizon 1 week ago
Yet it's a ten minute video
lamborghiniguy101 1 month ago
This video has inspired me to write satire instead, lol.
research1982 1 month ago
MommyHitsMe 3 months ago
This is so the best poem intro!
TheMultimete 3 months ago
I like this. Probably the best thing about this assembly-line approach to poetry is that it forces you to write and revise while directing you away from anxietites associated with writing (writer's block, fear of failure, lack of inspiration).
LardGargantuus 7 months ago
You got it exactly!
grantflint 7 months ago
Great advice dude. I always thought I wasn't good at poetry but this works splendidly.
So any poems not about your dick?
You're little act makes me sick.
Me thinks you are a bit thick
Writing dumb rhymes about your dick.
drug addled dipshit whore
makes me wanto to insult you more.
this poor dump nitwit
who writes about his dick
xrw175p6mq4 9 months ago
@xrw175p6mq4 its funny how u listened to that poem and the only word that got to u most was dick
purehotup 9 months ago
i have a messege to forward to all the human kind which is revealed 1400 years ago & that is from the god of all the universe & the messege is (la ilaha illallah muhammad rasool allah) which means "there is no god but allah and muhammad is the messenger of allah"
amer71731 11 months ago
@amer71731 stfu terrorist
20MDM 11 months ago
@20MDM While I agree that it is annoying, there was no reason for you to be racist and call him a terrorist
PwnedByIndian 8 months ago
You're so right. CREEPY!!!
grantflint 11 months ago
goddamnit i;m gonna have frick'n nightmares for a week watching this ass dance around the screen!
TheMUFFINATOR1000 11 months ago
All I'm trying 2 do is win a award winning poem about fall summer and winter I already have spring) and i cant even understand HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Suckersru77 1 year ago
u just write very fast lol
PokemonMaster739 1 year ago
The advice he gives is excellent from one point of view, in that you have to kill the part of the mind that would edit and polish, and let the unconscious gallop free. I have used the stopwatch technique for writing stories and my first submission was published so it's worked for me. However, at a later date it is necessary to edit the rambling thoughts into some sort of shape. The first poem he reads, by the way, is excellent indeed.
manlyduckling 1 year ago
Quite hilarious, this poetry reading.... I had fun watching you Gary! And there might be, within the twinkle of your eye, a scrap of a real poet...
scharliem 1 year ago
This man is a twit.
There's no doubt about it.
When I look in your eyes,
I see things I despise.
You might just be bored.
And win an award.
How about that for a first huh? XD
slyrocks3 1 year ago
This guy is very cynical, but he really has a point. I can tell this is a guy with something to say. It is funny with a harsh and dark undertone.
CopsUrMasterAndLord 1 year ago
This guy is very cynical, but he really has a point. I can tell this is a guy with something to say. It is funny with a harsh and dark undertone.
CopsUrMasterAndLord 1 year ago
PISS OFF
TheDarkKreig 1 year ago
I love writing poetry. Nice video. I have some poetry on my channel that might interest you.
gannonthepro 1 year ago
Thans, seiun85,
The video was unplanned, simply a monthly 8 minutes with friends. The poems at end were written using the method. A poem in 5 minutes. 12 poems an hour. 1 of the 12 will be worth holding to look at later. After writing 100 poems this way, the unconscious and conscious work together. And the resulting poems will be better than 90% of modern poetry. Including Billy Collins.
grantflint 1 year ago
I think this whole video is in jest, right? The speaker doesn't like modern poetry, and writing as suggested in the video would be precisely some form of modern poetry. The confusing thing is the performance of the poems at the end, which are supposed to be examples of the method? Or they were written with conscious effort, and have nothing to do with what was said before?
seiun85 1 year ago
also u say somewhere while i'm half listening while rolling a cigarette that 50 years ago when you started... hang about you've been doing this 50 years and all you've got to show for it is a poem printed in some magazine, that for all you know, that week they were short of page fillers. that gives you a right to do the college proffessor rant? if that's all i had achieved in 50 years i would spend my time inventing a time machine so to tell urself 50 yrs ago to change to a different hobby
bryngOneOn 1 year ago
why on earth would you want to write something to win an award. if that's the only or main impetus for creative writing then may i suggest that you save yourself alot of time and energy by booking some time with a phychiatrist who can then remove your misplaced desires and stop your desire to be loved manifesting itself via creative writing. there's only one reason to write and that's because you dont have a choice, if that's not the case dont write so not to inflict mediocrity upon our minds
bryngOneOn 1 year ago
This says a lot about one poet's contempt for his readers. It's also a sad statement about the way so many "poets" craft their poetry and think they know poetry. What is it they say - given infinite time and an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters, the monkeys would eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare? Doubt it, but now and then even a careless versifier will write something that touches a reader in unintended ways.
JessiebelleTX 2 years ago 2
true true jessiebelle. howmany times in the history of pop music have we heard a great one hit wonder, and the artist never gets up to that standard again, i think that everyone who has a go at something long enuf, like you say, will create one good piece in among the mediocrity. everyone given time has got one good song, one good "poem", one good story in them, but is it worth spending that time on that one short moment, of that i am unsure
bryngOneOn 1 year ago
True; there's always the danger of being that one hit wonder. But if poetry is your passion, you don't sit there questioning whether it's worth the time and effort. I write poetry, but I don't say "I'm a poet." I'm a writer. I earn a good living as a writer. I recognize the fact that (a) I'm no Billy Collins, and (b) no one's going to pay me enough to write poetry - enough to put my kids through college or keep a roof over our heads. I did win a few awards (over $100 for one poem;astounding!).
JessiebelleTX 1 year ago
i had written a couple of comments on this page and felt like i was hogging a lil'. so i thought i may have gotten away with one more if it was responding to a prior comment, when really it was just an additional dig at this gary flint guy, who i have googled and dosn't seem to exist, well in the field of writing if not in his own self congratulatory mind, just because ur no b collins dosnt mean you are not superior to him in some other style, i realize u say that to humble ur sucesses, kudos
bryngOneOn 1 year ago
I don't believe in false modesty, but arrogance is ghastly and unattractive. I LIKE my readers. I became an instant fan of Billy Collins when I heard him read "The Lanyard" on NPR. Not because it was the best poem EVER, but because I'm mom to a boy - and I wanted to go find my son, hug him, and say "It IS enough." :) When writing inspires or provokes that kind of impulse, it's GOOD writing. Thanks for your replies - I'd forgotten all about this thread. ;)
JessiebelleTX 1 year ago
I don't understand much at all, especially that part about "means nothing to me", and the "I don't care" =P
Maybe I have misunderstood it but I assume the point of a poem is to instill feelings. Is the best way to create such text to write purely from the unconscious?
The poems presented were quite good though.
taz0k2 2 years ago
penis face
MrAmericanAce 1 year ago
this guy is amazing :P
Loupland 2 years ago
this guy is creepy
themachinegunn 2 years ago 4
being a pretentious bastard about things will get you nowhere. people who make these videos take poetry way to seriously, they make it way to complicated. you have the wrong technique if you're out to just win awards fool. and shame on me for wasting my time watching it.
johnjay77 2 years ago 7
ur so rite and shame on me too fuck dats 1:00 i can nvr get bac
poemrita 2 years ago
PHFapowrjta I got paid to write a 50 word review on this video. Infact. there are 10,000 youtube videos that pay me 50 cents per fifty word review. it takes a few seconds :P How i do this. Is a secret. BUWWHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAAA
MrAmericanAce 1 year ago
some people like this, i dont want poetry lessons from a jumpy little girl or hardcore gangster rapper, poetry lessons should be given by older little strange men... and he does that, so what is this negative comment all about?
Loupland 2 years ago
@johnjay77 ok where did u learn to write peotry?
October271987 4 months ago
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johnjay77 2 years ago
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johnjay77 2 years ago
God this is ridiculous. Tourette's syndrome sufferers blurt out things straight from their "unconscious'". It isn't necessarily poetry and if it is, then it is incidental. What you are describing is an ancient technique for FIRST DRAFTS. not poems.
tbenkey 2 years ago
lol you are a funny man.
12thAquarian 3 years ago
And by the way, I love your name, it's truly original.
jacqklin 3 years ago
I imagine that by this method it would be possible to get whole ideas for stories, I could also see some parts as films behind my eyes.
I briefly reviewed some of your short stories, and just a few lines hit me--it's the kind of writing that moves me, that I long to someday produce.
I'd like you to advice me on my first reading of Grant Flint stories; which would it be?
jacqklin 3 years ago
Grant how I thank you for your precious gift... may your originality touch us all and continue to live eternally.
I've found the more you do it, the more sense they make, because wondering off into an unexplored land is strange at first, but then you relax and begin to SEE in what's in that land.
Your thinking then starts to fade out, and you write moving your hand while translating images or ideas into words unknown--unknowingly--a switch is set on, and a story appears, by itself, making sense
jacqklin 3 years ago
Hi Jacqklin,
I jumped hard on Joyless for his criticism, explaining why what you wrote was exactly how to do it, writing fast, writing 10 poems an hour.
After 30 poems, the unconcious has been trained to be useable, creating fresh original images and themes, and then the conscious relaxes and gently knows how to choose and enhance the unconscious richness, and produce quickly dynamic finished poetry which is published. Enjoy your vibrant secret poetry!
Grant
grantflint 3 years ago
This wasnt what I was asking exactly. What I was asking was how to use your subconscious like Grant says to pull out information and words from another dimension...then can you sculpt that..and what I posted was what I pulled out. You shouldnt jump the gun, I was quite surprised at this response. I wasnt asking if this could pass for a poem.
jacqklin 3 years ago
Besides all that, what I posted was quite personal, and I am seeking to learn.
jacqklin 3 years ago
Thank you though for the information you left.
jacqklin 3 years ago
You did it exactly right! Good for you!
Write ten of them an hour. By the third hour, your unconscious and conscious will be natural partners with no gritting of teeth on your part. It's magic. Do 30 poems this way, fast, uninhibited, and you will be producing fresh, inspired, original, valuable poems that are published as my students and I are published.
Grant
grantflint 3 years ago
Are you kidding me? A poem is not supposed to be abstract. This is exactly how NOT to write a poem. Too many people think you can just sit down and write a poem in a few minutes. NO! Poetry is a learned and practiced art, just like painting, playing the piano, and sculpting. It takes years of learning, practicing, reading, and REVISION! Revision alone, is a long process. One needs enough space from their poem to be able to approach it with a fresh perspective. Poetry is reader centered.
Joyness333 3 years ago
jacqklin 3 years ago
I've awoken. Longing for that access into the subconscious I wrote on blindly without it. I couldn't find my way in until you Grant turned on the light.
I tonight wrote three of those whipped up unconcious recipes. It's just I dont know if your rules allow editing if not this is what came out of me, and makes no sense at all...maybe I'll see that it does?
So is the time that comes in the day
splendid things are to know, if they work come to the heart that pleasure grows..
jacqklin 3 years ago