NEA Does not care about children.

[SuckyUnion]

Nea, public unions, private unions, and lib elite( if there is such a thing) are pulling a fast one on the uninformed which includes most of its members.

I can't wait for the shit to start going down, and start destroying this Marxist statist failed project of the left. We will win you know why, ??? We have the truth and the honor.

Let that rattle around your empty head for a while. AND YOU KNOW I'm RIGHT!!!!!

[bfrance2002]

@SuckyUnion - you are right. socialism/communism can't stand on its own. It is idealistic and does not take into account that people are incentive driven. It has always failed throughout history. And the worker/poor are always poorer. The elite  take power and every one is worse off. Just look at history. I would much rather be controlled through incentive through capitalism rather than fear as socialism/comunisem ends up.

[bfrance2002]

@SuckyUnion - do you think I don't agree with you? Or are you talking to someone else?

[collinsfred75]

Did you listen to the whole thing?

[bfrance2002]

@collinsfred75 - yes. Same old rhetoric.

[markmpm]

This commentary completely misrepresents the sources.

View the actual videos and think for yourself.

Look to your right and click on these 2 videos:

"NEA General Counsel Bob Chanin Says Farewell"

"NEA & RW BASTARDS"

My advice to bfrance2002: Your complete failure to accurately paraphrase these betrays your severe bias. Try taking a month off from your steady diet of Fox "News" propaganda.

Listen to something that doesn't conform to your beliefs for a change.

[bfrance2002]

@markmpm - I always listen. That is how I heard what I quoted. Why did not you try to clear up what he said by telling me what he meant? If I was to argue a point I would bring facts to the table rather than sling stupid phrases around as if that were proof. How do you explain the quote,"it is not because we care about children"? It is time you listen to what your people say.. I make my own mind up after I listen. You already have made up your mind.

[luismanuelmorais]

you are a true ignorant uneducated teabagger..........you can't even tell the difference between a comment about the power of unions and whether teachers like their students......you keep posting so that I can have another good laugh......

[bfrance2002]

@luismanuelmorais - You are rude and call names rather than saying anything logical. I am ignorant because I quote what the 'teachers union' said?? How does that make me ignorant? I can tell the difference between the union and the teachers. Like I said before. The NEA is made up of teachers who are suppose to care about kids but the union admits that it doesn't care about kids. You act like that is separable. But it is not. The members of an organization should control what it cares about..

[bfrance2002]

@luismanuelmorais - While I am at it... The tea party, of which I am not a member, or ever have gone to any meetings, is an organization of people who do not feel that this government is representing them yet they pay most of the taxes to support this government. In case you missed it, or were to ignorant, it is a reference to the Boston tea party that is credited with starting this country. Calling people 'teebagers' does not change the facts of non-representation. (And I am ignorant?)

[bfrance2002]

@luismanuelmorais-You trying to separate the union from its members is like saying it makes sense to have a Christian church that the church doesn't care about Christ,but the members do.Or a Mosque that does not care about Mohamed, but the members do.That makes no sense. I would not go to a church that did not believe in Christ if I claim to be christian. An organization cares about what its members do, that simple. But simplicity eludes you.You keep posting so I can show you where your wrong.

[bfrance2002]

@luismanuelmorais Ignorant - "Lacking knowledge or awareness in general." If I was ignorant I would not read and quote what people say and just make vague useless statements and name calling as you do rather than showing people where I think they are wrong. Then we could carry on a logical conversation. But I am afraid with you that seems to be imposable. (People like you throw insults around like the insult is some kind of proof of something.)

[urpusherman]

Bob Chanin: "And that brings me to my final - and most important - point, which is

why, at least in my opinion, NEA and its affiliates are such effective advocates.

Despite what some among us would like to believe, it is not because of our creative ideas. It is not because of the merit of our positions. It is not because we care about children. And it is not because we have a vision of a 'great public school for every child.' NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power..

[bfrance2002]

@urpusherman - So you agree with me. You as an admitted part of this union for teachers of children don't care about the children. You only care about power.. So we agree... Not that this is surprising seeing the low academics coming out of the school systems today.

Let me point out no matter what union you belong to, if your job is not done someone somewhere will replace you. UAW workers of the 60s were replaced by non union Japanese workers when people buy Japanese.Charter school-home school

[bfrance2002]

@urpusherman - Let me ask what kind of car do you drive? I bet it is not union made... ;-) Japanese made Prius..

[whatifimcivil1]

So what you're saying is that the NEA should care primarily about children? I'm sorry, but a union is, by definition, a device used to secure rights for the workers it protects. Of course its paramount goal is power. Should coal miner's unions care about coal distribution?

And supporting the homosexual movement doesn't mean they prefer that lifestyle. That would be like saying that followers of Martin Luther King in the 60's wanted to prove that African Americans were better than Caucasians.

[bfrance2002]

@whatifimcivil1 -First off, lets talk about what is a right and what is not a right. You say "secure rights for the workers". What rights? The law, including labor laws secure your legal rights under the law, which a union does NOT have to fight for. Do you think you have a legal right t a job? No! Under the constitution you have the right to 'life liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Now if you had said a union fights for what the workers want, I could have agreed with you. Entitlement.

[wafflesandpancakes6]

@bfrance2002 You said labor laws protect our rights. Do you have any idea where labor laws came from? Not storks.

If you have ever had a week vacation. Thank a union. If you have every had a weekend off. Thank a union. If you have ever wondered why young children don't work. Thank a union. Safety regulations? Thank a union. If you have ever wondered why we have a Minimum Wage, thank a union!

You say unions haven't the right? Ha! Please! Give me a break! That's what they DO.

[bfrance2002]

@wafflesandpancakes6 - I do think some unions in the early 1800s did some good, but now we have the laws, and the union leaders get richer while the members don't. Case in point Carole Hankin NY superintendent makes 500k/year. That is stupid.."Give me a break". Union leaders are as corrupt as the CEOs of corporations.

Everyone I have ever talked to who supposedly supports a union and they have foreign cars. All my cars are union built. (I got 7 of them) And I don't believe in unions. Why??

[bfrance2002]

@wafflesandpancakes6 - Did a little reading. You have been taught half history. As early as the 1830s many states had enacted laws prohibiting the employment of young children. labor laws were often ignored. In 1904, the National Child Labor Committee was organized by socially concerned citizens and politicians, not unions. From 1908 to 1912, photographer Hine documented numerous gross violations. 1938, Congress passed the Fair Labor Standards Act. It prohibited child labor under age 16.

[bfrance2002]

@whatifimcivil1 - Now should the NEA care about children? The NEA is made up of teachers, who should care about children. But lately I think that it has been proven that teachers don't care about children as a whole. The children are used as pawns. Coal miner unions should care some about the distribution of coal because if they don't, the production of coal stops and the jobs go away. Back in 2002 the teamsters struck a company named CF. CF went under and their members lost their jobs.

[urpusherman]

@bfrance2002 - watching SportCenter, flipping back and forth to CNN (coverage of Japan, got fam & friends there), and after SC talked about the NFL Lockout/players dissolving their union, I turned back to CNN to see CrossRoadsGPS' Anti-Union commercial. I saw Chanin's speech (it's suggested next to your video) and I'm wondering why did you take the quote out of context? Why not read the whole thing? Kind of reminds me of US slaveowners quoting parts of the bible to justify slavery. Sad really.

[bfrance2002]

@urpusherman - What is really sad is someone who tells me that I took something out of context, yet does not say what the context was. If there was a different context you could have pointed it out. But there was not different context. That is why you can't give it. If I had taken it out of context, you would have tried to straighten me out. Instead you try the old liberal/union trick of saying that is not what they meant to throw confusion and call names, slave owner, into the conversation.

[urpusherman]

.... And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees."

That is his quote in entirety.

As you mistakenly label me a liberal/unionist, I'm actually neither. I am anti-government.

[bfrance2002]

@urpusherman - yes we get it.. You want power... I agree with you.

Anti government is nothing... No society can survive without government. All that have spouted that historically ludicrous statements like yours were actually fascists because they knew 'Anarchy' will degrade into fascist dictator. So you are ether a fool or a fascist.

I see you say you are from Japan. Would you like Akihito to be all powerful and no one have rights?

[urpusherman]

NO state has prospered under union control when the foundations of the United States was flawed to begin with. A nation founded on the backs of other people's blood, sweat, tears and hard work is not revolutionary. US policies that segregate, separate and divide social and economic classes have been in place longer than they have not. A 240+ year old country who thinks it had gov't figured out is utter arrogance. I say down with unions and down with this oppressive gov't. Back to lesson planning

[bfrance2002]

@urpusherman - You are welcome to leave this country if you don't like this government. It is a shame you hate the US government so much because your Japanese government has been based loosely on the US and English government. (a constitutional monarchy) You sound arrogant considering that the Japanese government was change significantly enough to be a different country in 1945. So America has 235 years. Japan government only has 66 years..

[bfrance2002]

@urpusherman When I was in Japan 2 different times I would never have thought to be rude enough to profane the my host government, the Japanese government. Maybe I am not as rude as you. But I did learn a lot of Japanese history.. The Shogun government was also based off the backs of the peasants. samurai could kill any peasants for not showing respect. Good thing you were not back then.. I understand your Ykuza is an offshoot of the samurai, curly hair and all.

[bfrance2002]

@urpusherman - One thing just hit me... You slam the US government, which was based loosely on Grease and Roman republics, because you say it is not old enough. Yet you say you are anti government , so why should you care about the age? Would you like the roman government if it had survived with slavery? Unless it is the type of government that you dislike where "all people are created equal" (From our constitution..) Not on the backs. We don't put an emperor above anyone else.

[bfrance2002]

@urpusherman - Tell me ANY state that has prospered under large union control? Michigan? no. Wisconsin? no. California? no... All strong union states are failing because the business under strong union pressure failed. If there is no business, there is no jobs and no money.

[bfrance2002]

@urpusherman - I thought of one more thing. Republicans/conservatives ended slavery. Abraham Lincoln was republican. (and a christian.)The slave owners were democrats. (And separatists.) So who is whet now??

Yes some democratic slave owners tried to wrongly use the bible to try justify slavery. But we are talking about free people now.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

as usual, the right's opposition to public education turns into cheap attacks on teachers. They defend good education and get attacked as "opposing reform", fight for decent funding for schools and get accused of "greed." We don't need the panacea of so-called "competition", putting money out of underfunded public schools to give the wealthy another tax cut.

[bfrance2002]

@PrisonerNumber9653 - no, I am NOT against teachers. My wife is a teacher. I am against UNIONS that use their power of intimidation and oppression to force socialism. I don't accuse any teachers of 'greed'. I think teachers should be paid more. I think the NEA does nothing for their members and is corrupt like most unions while lining their own pockets. If all the money that is given to schools went to the teachers, they would not be poor. But the union does not care about the teachers either.

[bfrance2002]

@PrisonerNumber9653 - by the way, what "wealthy" have gotten a tax cut? I can not remember the wealthy ever getting a tax cut. None.. What middle class has gotten a tax cut. Noon. What poor people have gotten a tax cut. None. With this administration and government there will be no tax cut for anyone. (The American public will be taxed very high for years to come to pay for the forced socialism.) If you are going to throw around words, you might try to base them in reality first.

[bfrance2002]

@PrisonerNumber9653 -- Wait there is one group of Americans that are getting away with paying NO taxes.. The Unemployed.. We must be hard on them for not paying their fare share. Maybe we could tax them higher when they do get a job. (IF they ever get a job.) And unemployment is rising.. so we will have less people paying into the system to pay for teachers. So we must make taxes higher to pay for that! Soon, no one will be making any money to tax. That would be good..NOT!!!!

[bfrance2002]

@PrisonerNumber9653 What are you talking about competition? "We don't need the panacea" - cure-all - "of so-called "competition""??? You must be talking about home schooling or charter schooling??

Home schoolers still pay their taxes to support public school indoctrination also. So you are only loosing students not money.

And using the word"cheap"to try to ignore the oppositions valid view points instead of discuss them, is usual of "Left wingers". Views like US schools are not teaching 3Rs.

[Obamatardz]

@PrisonerNumber9653 Listen up you stupid fuck! NO COUNTRY ON EARTH SPENDS MORE PER STUDENT THAN THE USA- FACT. YET, THE USA HAS GONE FROM #1 TO #27 AND HAS UTTERLY FAILED AMERICAS CHILDREN. These are what's called IRREFUTABLE FACTS you fucking muppet...SO shut your stupid mouth!! The NEA WILL be abolished because EVERYONE knows what an Orwellian failure it is. Fuck their control of our schools and FUCK YOU!! We don't need them!

The NEA wants POWER to push their agenda. NO!

[bfrance2002]

@canoesong1 - I agree..

[RedDeadAustin]

Great video.

Either way, the Hell with the greedy teachers and their unions. I would trust a pimp over a liberal teacher. With a pimp, what you see is what you get. With a teacher, they are wolves in sheep's clothing and are Hell-bent and determined to indoctrinate your kids with Marxist/ Progressive ideology. Their goal is to make your kids hate their country, their parents (if White), their faith, and the President as long as it's not Obama. Hey teachers! Shove it up your ass.