Ive said it before, I don't agree with stef on everything, but on education he absolutely nails it. I can't believe more people dont talk about this shit.
And hey now! I was diagnosed as ADD when I was a kid, and have been on adderall ever since.The propensity for thinking skills it granted me access to is what led to my disillusionment with the state. Prior to being introduced to adderall, I was more like a zombie than a thinking individual. I also blame adderall for leading me to stop watching TV and picking up reading as my only information medium (other than the computer I built from spare parts). No joke.
@kookoo78 Basically, yes. It's spawned in me an ambition towards a local civic society without government involvement, and woke me from my zombie life as another cog in the wheels of a dysfunctional machine. I'd say it saved my life in that sense, but the reality is that books did that - replacing television with the written word. I wholeheartedly agree that forcing kids to take it is borderline abuse, though. Not everyone should be on it, and it should be by choice, not coercion.
@intricatic So you somewhat disagree with what Stefan has said about children being on those drugs, huh? Well I'm glad that it worked for you and made you a better person.
@kookoo78 I agree with him, but I disagree that they [stimulants] turn people into zombies in all instances. I've seen both good and bad. I absolutely agree that kids who know no better should not be given stimulants (I have no idea what neurological damage that might cause in some cases), but I also generally disagree with treating symptoms rather than dealing with the problem causing the symptoms.
I would love to share stefs message with friends and family, but his videos are overacted and contain way too much repetition. They actually get a bit embarrassing, usually in the second half.
@saldownik People define violence differently, though. Libertarians (and some authoritarian types) often have a broad definition of violence. No one has ever, for example, pointed a gun at my head to get me to pay taxes as the video's creator claimed.
Try not paying your taxes and see what happens. Seriously, the entire point is that you don't usually see the gun in the room, but the methodology is still there and is directly implied. Therefore children pick up on that even though they dont need to see the gun to understand the effects
@lazerbeam134 And what happens when you decide that you don't want to be kidnapped? How do they make you go to prison? Why would you ever willingly go to prison for not supporting a murderous government? Because they have guns that are are not afraid (actually they feel morally justified) to use
@lazerbeam134 I don't understand your reply. Do you have any doubt that the government will use violence against you if you ignore it? It is threatening you with violence to make you obedient. Kind of like school bully that demands kids' lunch money.
@saldownik Not really the same thing. For tax evasion, you get a trial. You get a sentence that most likely involves imprisonment or fines equal to the amount you owe. A bully who takes your lunch money will physically harm you, and you won't be able to fight it in any court.
@lazerbeam134 You are right, there are communication problems between us, they are probably unsolvable through this comments. I sincerely don't see how one can name killing of a person during Cambodian genocide nonviolent, just because this man was tried by government appointed people beforehand. Your language, while different than mine, isn't uncommon, some people i've met also said that they "wouldn't see any violence2 there, it was the government that did it".
@saldownik Having to pay a tax isn't the same as genocide. In fact, the intent in each case is very different. I never said any genocide is nonviolent, the implication that I did is dishonest.When I pay taxes I expect that money to provide for welfare programs, defense, and the business of state. Necessary things that we established a democratic government. When I feel that my tax money is used for the wrong reasons I have the right to demand accountability.
@lazerbeam134 Perhaps i overinterpreted your statements, perhaps not, i found your word similar to words of other people I've met, hence my extrapolation. I didn't equate taxes and genocide and i only implied (maybe sloppily) that you would consider death penalty nonviolent if performed by the state, just like kidnapping of a person that don't pay for welfare programs. Cambodia was just concrete example. Anyway, you are probably right that we lack a common language to express some crucial ideas.
@saldownik Well, I don't consider all imprisonment to be the same as kidnapping. And the death penalty is clearly a violation of the Constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishment. The language I am using would have to be the language of the Constitution. It is the way our predecessors hoped to establish a society that would be free and fair. Taxes pay for more than welfare. They pay for defense, they pay for law enforcement, and day-to-day facillitation of gov't.
A grade one boy in my town (6 years old). He kicks and punches others kids, insults them, and more. He has an attendent (adult) with him when not in class. I asked "what about the parents" to another adult, I was answered "when Mom is high most of the time, what you expect". Now, there is a future criminal in preparation, the fact that Mom is high and treats him like shit has nothing to do with the government (other than for being on Welfare). Really, Steph, you need to get out more.
Although you are really good at getting you point across, I thing you are giving kids too much credit. Bullying is so widespread because there is no justice within public schools. Public sector teachers have no interest in preventing it because they get paid nonetheless. Contrast that with private schools where they do everything in there power to stop it or suffer profit losses from parents switching to other schools. I've personally heard teachers say that preventing bullying is not their job.
@LasagnaIsGood In my experience, public school administration actually punishes children who try to defend themselves from violent bullying. I've personally been suspended on many occasions for someone trying to beat me up then getting punched back... They always say "it always takes two to fight" and stupid shite like that. My question always was "so I'm supposed to just stand there and let some prick bust my face in?" ...You know what one of my teachers said when asked that? She said "Yes."
@MeanderingBeing Ya, same situations always used to happen to me back in middle school and high school. Whenever i fought back I was the one suspended. Once they actually recommended me to a psychiatrist. Complete bullshit like that. I honestly wish at the very least,if they cant completely abolishing the public edu system, the government take the fair share of the cost of my education and put it into a private school my parents choose me to go.I have no problem with bullies ,I just want justice
@LasagnaIsGood Exactly! There's so much incentive to keep the kids happy to get them coming back for the service in the future. Why would anyone pay out of pocket to send their kid's somewhere they were always upset about?
I couldn't agree more. I can't count the number of times I was punished for no reason by the schools. Each time it made me more critical and care less about what they wanted of me. The schools protected bullies in my experience. Once when I got in a fight because of it, they expelled me and had me see a psychiatrist who said I had ADD and ODD, and he tried to get me to take amphetamines and anti-depressants. But he didn't even listen to my story, so I knew better than to trust him, so I didn't.
Thank goodness I live in Finland. My kids will have both parents and a safe community around them. They will get help and rules, hobbies and education. They will be safe, and live like our species are supposed to live.
Unless overpopulation or religion fucks up this planet too badly.
@bary1234 please use some other nationality while trolling. I'm a Finn and many of my friends honestly think like that (and just as out of context as you -- this video was about bullying in school), so I can't help but responding by letting everyone know that not all Finns are that arrogant, close-minded and ignorant. It's just the 99% giving bad name for the rest of the 1%.
I remember having an epiphany as a kid, when I smashed a big chunk of ice on the back of the kid who used to bully me. He tried to duck, but I still hit him, squarely on the back as hard as I ever could. That ice-block was maybe 5 kilos, I smashed it on him with both hands, from the top of my head.
He was not seriously hurt, but I bet he felt that hit for days. And apparently he was scared of me after that. I was never bullyed again.
I wish I had done it sooner. I still feel good for doing it.
This is a message to the Head of whatever the shit is going on with this planet, your cattle have found out what your doing, and if you arent carefull we will start a stampede!
My (public) high school adopted a "zero tolerance" policy toward bullying and fighting. It sounds good on paper, but in reality it just guarantees that a victim of bullying will not only be a victim of a bully but a victim of a school punishment. Empower the kids.
This is propaganda kids. Teachers are not paid by the end of a gun, but whole countries are bombed, destroyed, and occupied by the US and NATO military by the end of a gun. Yes kids do mirror their parents and culture. If you don't do business with the US expect to be killed. If you don't comply with the orders of the Nazi fascists expect to be bullied, discredited, labeled terrorist and locked up in jail.
wow...this video is incredible....his words speak volumes...unfortunately, many wont look at this video for fear it's about kids being physically bullied by each other...i will share this with as many link minded libertarian friends and spread the word of just how right on this message truly is....stop conformity, stop stealing, stop the controlling and the manipulation in public education and in our government
It's the economy that is in the dumps - paying for wars and keeping the rich, RICH. Taxes are not our problem. Then he attacks teachers and education. The guy is talking out of his ass. Couldn't watch past the 1/2 way mark.
I had to quit scool over being bullied my principal sided with the bullys and said i musta been doin somthing wrong and refused to do anything and i was getting jumped at school all the time...... theyre luck as a child i had no access to firearms or columbine mighta happened a few years earlier in RI
Very good analysis. My father was raised four decades ago and he says he can remember barely any serious cases of bullying. His father and mother worked hard on the farm but had plenty of time to spend with the kids. Now in the workplace culture we have in corporate America, people who spend too much time doing non-workplace related things are seen as lazy and/or unmotivated. So we all run on the treadmills like silly little hamsters, and the kids don't learn boundaries or social grace.
Agreed so much. This needs to be shown to the google chrome thing for "homosexual bullying".. gotta love they didn't even generalize it, makes you question what they REALLY want to do... children are the future but we are screwing up their future !!!
There are some rare cases of true ADD, ADHD, ODD, etc. The problem now is that it has become a trending diagnosis, meaning that if a psychiatrist is pressured to help an 'unruly' child, he or she can simply throw a dart at a pie chart of disorders and prescribe whatever sticks. The actual criteria to be diagnosed with these disorders are much more strict than the popular definitions.
You all do understand, that the "statest system" comes from human interaction? No matter what system you put in place, it winds up like this, even if the participants are totally unaware of what's happening. So it's nice to talk a good game about how the "system" is at fault, but the fact is it's nature of humans to subjugate each other.
@waltherchemnitz Are you implying that we humans are so devoid of reason that any other interaction that doesn't gravitates around violence is impossible?
@jedyondo That is the implication isn't? However, it is exactly because human beings have the ability to reason that I say what I'm saying. Unless we're honest with ourselves, and stop pretending it's "us vs. them", or blaming some nebulous group outside our own, we'll always be trapped in our own foolishness. You know the kind of attitude I'm talking about;the "boys will be boys" attitude of there's nothing we can do about it.
@waltherchemnitz I am only against those who try to impose their point of view initiating the use of violence. If you are not of that kind then we are in the same boat. Against a tyrant all the slaves are brothers.
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I disagree with his conclusion. Statism is not the problem. It's the banks. Banks owning the states, enslaving them, setting them up. That's the problem.
@Oyaji291 Saying the statism is the problem is very ignorant and short-sighted. Guess who financed the nazi's, organized communism, hijacked the United States. It's the same bankers over and over again.
@DutchPatriotChannel financing oversees enemies is something that has stirred boycott as well as legal recourse depending on the situation. You should really define hijacking the United States clearly though, as I still don't see banks with guns and military.
@Oyaji291 Also remember that in many cases of these financing of political enemies, these were moves where the banks were given protection by politicians during the process.
@Oyaji291 A sovereign nation should issue its own money: The Secret of Oz. The US doesn't do that. You should know about corporatism: The Federal Reserve, the military-industrial complex, the Rockefellers. The US sole purpose was to keep the banks out. What is your alternative to statism anyway? Suicide? Living like monkeys?
@DutchPatriotChannel The Fed needs ended, so does the military aggression. And sir, with statism, our government spending and spending and spending has caused the budget deficit to go through the roof. When the world decides to switch the reserve currency to something else, we WILL be living like suicidal monkeys.
My alternative: Minarchism. A Libertarian free market.
@Oyaji291 Minarchism is statism. Budget deficit? Go watch The Secret of Oz. The US is a slave colony. A government doesn't need to borrow money. We don't have a government. I hope you're happy now. I would prefer transparent, interest-free local currencies, issued at a city or state level.
@Oyaji291 It's not 'left' versus 'right'. It's main street versus wall street. Corporations get less gov't, while the people get more gov't, when it should be the other way around.
ya, I'm romanian and I was amused by the "romanian goddamn orphan" in a crib comparison :)) what was that about living in the narative? there's a lot of narative about romania going on I can tell u :) not that I'm a nationalist or anything, I couldn't care less about countries and their borders and their differences, just an observation.
The drugs used for ADHD are totally different than the kinds of drugs you'd expect to see in a communist torture camp.
I am sympathetic towards Stef's argument, but attacking ADHD drugs with such analogies is ignorant of the pharmacology involved. Do your homework, or don't make the argument at all.
@bknight009 Maybe you should research your own beliefs. We are a product of our environment and throwing pills at the kids isn't a solution. I would like to show you that not one of the hundreds of kids, i know, that are on ADHD meds do not require such perverted intrusions.
@TheGazoo31 There's no "belief" to it. It's a simple question of pharmacology. ADHD drugs are not well-suited for torture, especially not at the doses commonly used in clinical contexts. If you have an opposing argument based on actual pharmacologic rationale, I'd love to hear it. -- If you have a moral opposition to medicating children, then say so, but recognize that moral opposition may be totally separate from the concepts of evidence-based medicine.
@bknight009Hum.. a belief bknight, as you are believing that a little something bad isn't still something bad(doses). I know enough about the greed environment we have built ourselves to understand the failure to do adequate research before subjecting kids or humans to ill tested product. It is and has been common practice to push bad products for profit. Many studies elaborate on the negatvie effects of these drugs and the lack of knowledge of these risks (Ritalin,Adderall,Prozac.,etc.. etc..
@TheGazoo31 “All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison and a remedy.” -- Paracelsus
I dislike the FDA, but their drug approval standards are generally high. Have you ever seen a photo from the old days before computers when drug companies submitted their data to the FDA for approval? It'd be stacks of hundreds of boxes of papers, enough to fill an entire room.
Drug toxicity is always a concern, but you're massively overexaggerating.
messed up video, messed up man, bower park school has the most kids bullying!!! If you want ur child to go to bower park think again! its really crappy and the teachers dont know what there doing....
i feel this may be part of the problem, but he vastly overestimates it's impact on children, and moreso should have focused on relationships they are involved in with their parents and superiors, this is where the vast majority of their relationship habits form, a parent bullies his child showing no love or gives no reasoning to why he should do it, believe the child recognizes that the parent is the one in power, and he will long for that,and he will long for that, and he will long for that,
What needs to be made public is the fact teachers are used against whistle-blowers and activists children; they're the ones that do the 'bad-jacketing' of the targets to allow 'nature to run its course' creating havoc for the targeted teens.
Fact: "There are children killing themselves over this garbage!"
My son intervened when he saw a kid being bullied at school. He told the bully to stop. That did not work so he hit the bully. The bully ran to the teacher and my son was suspended from school. I had to go and do a "Stefbot" sermon to the headmaster... wish I had a Pink Floyd backing track! My son learned a lot this week!
@KoolBloo Some of the "bullying" is actually organized mobbing!
You can spot the latter by 'bad-jacketing' on the part of the teachers and if they're ranking teachers then it's all but a certain.
My kids were targeted due to a former employer for whom a particular piece of software, by definition, made me a permanent threat to their reputation should it be made public.
Funny how it was done in stages to hide what they were doing and was a major law firm; law firms have some crazy 'tools'.
@KoolBloo Sadly school will never do anything about bullying, they are the jocks and the kiss ass straight A students. When kids are fed up of being bullied and finally take action they are the ones in trouble. If the schools don't start taking action against the bullies there will be another Columbine, it's only matter of time.
This is totally true. It's like Batman's Joker saying, "I'm not a bully. Bullying is BAD" and then releasing toxic happy gas. I believe the whole tough love contributes to bullying no doubt. It's firm tough love and you'll hate me for the rest of your life, but atleast you'll learn? Hah! Learn what? Bullshit? Tough love is like a broken record on full blast teaching children how to play music!
The parent or teacher who says "do as I say, not as I do" is a lazy fucking piece of shit!
Example, if a parent lets one of the older kids beat up the younger ones and lets the older one get away with it, by telling the younger child "your brother loves you and you should forgive", then that is called fucking with the child's reasoning!
If the parent forces their child to learn music, when they don't want to and the parent says they love them, that is like saying stalking is an OK act!
Great speech !! Those 16 people dat disliked it must be delusional or something!!! hahahaha "Ignorance is bliss, until it hits you straight on your face like a fist" !!
WOw, Stef, you do have an ability to think outside the square. What you are saying is right on. Another one of your great vids mate. Thanks heaps for this insight, it is strange, It is as though I knew what your saying but needed someone like you to put it out there
It seems a bit of an interesting quandary... To what extent do we -- as Sovereign Individual adults -- "allow" children to "govern" or direct, or even simply inform us what is best for them, or what we should or should not be doing for them?
To what extent do WE determine what is in their best interests?
Outstanding, Stef...outstanding. My sons' previous school (public) had this whole anti-bullying thing going to on and even had T-shirts. We pulled him out and put him into a private , catholic school. His education far superior there than to any public system. At 7 years old, he can do basic algebra and does fairly well at it too. Problem is, I'm stuck in that rut where I have work my arse off to pay for it ;) but it's worth it. I've also cut back my OT so I can spend more time with the kids.
Here's something I've been thinking about. In school they tell you to be good and share. But when you are an adult, you see the headline - "Mother fined 1.5 million dollars for sharing 24 songs." What the heck is goin on!???
One point Stef they don't always drug schoolchildren like Soviet dissidents, sometimes they confine them like Soviet dissidents, with an unfair trial, with no representation, the prosecutor and the judge being the same person, and nothing like a realistic chance of appeal.
What I loved about being a schoolchild was being told "If you're being bullied, just go away from the bully." by the person who sent me to the place where I was being bullied.
Taxes are vital to society, the government needs to provide education to all citizens, to redistribute to wealth, to maintain ordered society.
It is stupid that schools and business do not sync. schedules, and poor teaching is no reason for medication.
I do not agree with your views on the child choosing the subjects to study. Math is hard, it is boring, and it is the most vital subject taught in school. It teaches a way of thinking and gives children a set of tools they need to succeed.
Fair question, but you have to remember, those are all just "problems." Think of the state as a proposed (and now tested) answer to those problems. The anti-statists are the people who have realized that this proposal FAILS in every conceivable way. Not only is it ineffective, it's counter-productive. Plus, how much sense does it make to put all those important things that you listed under the same umbrella? Those are pretty big bites... more than one firm would help, yeah?
@Hashime777222 Fire government officials, support your own friends and family, use traditional medicine, learn the ways of war / have your own weapons, come together with your neighbors to lay roads. Of course, I'm from the South were it ain't just constant concrete. I don't think constant concrete ever works. The boulevards eventually burn, crumble, and fall.
@MotesTV Can traditional medicine detect and treat a damaged heart valve? Brain cancer? An auto immune disease?
I bet after a few years of laying roads with your neighbors one says "This would go faster if we had an organized team", which it will, and soon government begins to take shape again.
As for math, you like math, fine, but a young child cannot decide for themselves at that level of math whether or not is it for them. In high school yes, but until that point no.
@Hashime777222 Ok, you're a great example of how bad the system is. Not saying this to be offensive it's just you've highlighted a particular flaw in it. Math is boring? Why? Math is the key to thousands of interesting things, it allows mastery in one's life in ways not possible without it, it's got dozens (at least) of sub-topics so it's varied as well and finally it's just plain cool. Yet somehow you got the idea that it's boring. How did that happen?
@newperve Math is not as interesting as say playing baseball, or in my case doing some lab work, but as I said, it is vital. Math is a tool that is used for almost everything, it to most people is not their preferred way of spending time. Note: Integral calculus is awesome and interesting, doing times tables in grade 2 or 3 in not.
@Hashime777222 Not so it's boring relative to other things. Fair enough. But what you said was that it was boring, full stop. This is the attitude that much if not most people have to it, especially women. The current system (both educational and societal) has to take the blame for that.
You know what, I agree 100%, particularly on the women aspect. I am studying nanotechnology engineering and in my class of 152 there are about 22 women (we are not sure about a few). It is a little crappy because the way my program works we are together as a class for the 5 year length of the program, and it is a bit of a sausage fest.
I agree that it's beneficial to know at LEAST basic mathematics, and that's why I teach it to my kids. The fact about math in my life is that certain kinds of it are essential for everyday living, and other kinds are completely irrelevant to how I live my life. Forcing everyone to learn advanced math makes as much sense as forcing everyone to learn to... tile floors, or... make video games. The knowledge should be cherished, preserved, and available, sure... but not mandatory.
To a point I agree. I think everyone should at least be exposed to the many different types of math (and science). Doing statistics calculations may be boring to some but awesome for another like calculus, actuarial science, integral calculus...
I think a course to expose all students to these topics should be mandatory.
Well sure, ideally, people would have access and exposure to the things you listed, and more - things that enrich us as people. I only disagree about making it mandatory. Think about the implications: are you saying that if a parent refuses to allow his child to be taken away for a course, then that parent should be carted off to jail and the child removed from the home? "Hey kid, we wrecked your childhood, but here... have this calculus class." I don't see that working out.
@MusicalAdrian I am more thinking along the lines "you need 3 math credits to graduate high-school" (how it was for me) Each of the said courses would have an aspect related to the more abstract mathematical topics, and like is was in my board there were different streams based on the persons aptitude in that subject area. Basically like the current system with a little more discussion on where things go and why you should get there.
Sounds like a good system. If not for that nasty "now cooperate or I will send in men with guns to arrest you" bit at the end, I'd be for it.
Don't you see? Being anti-state doesn't mean being against rules, or innovation, or order, or peace, or education, or anything like that. All we're saying is that we don't need men running around with guns in order to get people to cooperate with each other, and there's no reason why this person should owe that person money baed on parentage.
Sorry I lost you. There are no guns involved, just a lack of ability to graduate without the required credits, and if a special circumstance is identified the system is flexible. Throughout high school I chose at least half of my courses. It worked quite well.
As for guns, the only people in Ontario allowed to run around with guns are police officers who have much bigger things to worry about than academics. I don't get your last statement at all.
No, there ARE guns involved. With high school kids, it's probably a bit different. But let a parent try to withdraw their child from public school by just not taking them anymore. You might say the school/state will do something mild or peaceful to get the kid back in school, but it's all enforced with violence and coercion.
You chose your classes, but were forbidden from simply opting out. How do you not understand the oppression there?
@AxxesS9000 I have never seen this ever, probably because I am not from the united states. I know in Canada if you withdraw a child from a publicly funded school (catholic, public, french, combination of the two) The parent will be investigated for the good of the child. That is if the parent is not providing curriculum relevant education (curriculum will be a point of contention for you) either through a private institution or home schooling action will be taken in the form of child services.
You can opt out, it is called dropping out of high school. It is a very self centered viewpoint to think that you only have to do things you want / like to do, things that are hard. To succeed one must overcome obstacles, in the case of school these are subjects you do not enjoy. Imagine a generation of kids taught if you find something hard or boring you should not do it. Exercise is hard and to some boring, reading is hard for some, boring for others, what about a relationship?
I love your repeated use of the word, "Goddamn." You should do that more often.
TheCeejReturns 2 months ago
romanian orphan?
EPICPokerTV4 2 months ago
i wish people would know more about Romania beside Ceasescu, dracula, orfans and nadia...
degauss22ro1 2 months ago
So what's your solution?
kookoo78 2 months ago
very powerful stuff
de97531 2 months ago
I... have... no words. o_o And I completely agree with you.
VizardJeffhog 3 months ago
right on brother,telling it how it is.
erbeeflower 3 months ago
Absolutely wonderful, powerful, meaningful message! I will be sharing!
closingtyme 3 months ago
Ive said it before, I don't agree with stef on everything, but on education he absolutely nails it. I can't believe more people dont talk about this shit.
theMAXILOPEZpsycho 3 months ago
Strong message and its the truth, thank you.
Matu1 3 months ago
And hey now! I was diagnosed as ADD when I was a kid, and have been on adderall ever since.The propensity for thinking skills it granted me access to is what led to my disillusionment with the state. Prior to being introduced to adderall, I was more like a zombie than a thinking individual. I also blame adderall for leading me to stop watching TV and picking up reading as my only information medium (other than the computer I built from spare parts). No joke.
intricatic 3 months ago
@intricatic So "adderall" was a good thing in your case right
kookoo78 2 months ago
@kookoo78 Basically, yes. It's spawned in me an ambition towards a local civic society without government involvement, and woke me from my zombie life as another cog in the wheels of a dysfunctional machine. I'd say it saved my life in that sense, but the reality is that books did that - replacing television with the written word. I wholeheartedly agree that forcing kids to take it is borderline abuse, though. Not everyone should be on it, and it should be by choice, not coercion.
intricatic 2 months ago
@intricatic So you somewhat disagree with what Stefan has said about children being on those drugs, huh? Well I'm glad that it worked for you and made you a better person.
kookoo78 2 months ago
@kookoo78 I agree with him, but I disagree that they [stimulants] turn people into zombies in all instances. I've seen both good and bad. I absolutely agree that kids who know no better should not be given stimulants (I have no idea what neurological damage that might cause in some cases), but I also generally disagree with treating symptoms rather than dealing with the problem causing the symptoms.
intricatic 2 months ago
If children had access to cluster bombs, I'm sure they'd have less restraint.
intricatic 3 months ago
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This is my favorite video of yours, Stefan.
lerandalthor 3 months ago
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lerandalthor 3 months ago
I would love to share stefs message with friends and family, but his videos are overacted and contain way too much repetition. They actually get a bit embarrassing, usually in the second half.
trioxin428 3 months ago
I felt intimidated there at the end :D
Strangepete 3 months ago
well done steff. another monumental presentation
darrenrooke 3 months ago
You don't think that companies ever bullied laborers to the point they needed unions to stand up for themselves?
lazerbeam134 3 months ago
@lazerbeam134 Sure companies bully workers and there is nothing wrong with voluntary, nonviolent unions of people.
saldownik 3 months ago
@saldownik People define violence differently, though. Libertarians (and some authoritarian types) often have a broad definition of violence. No one has ever, for example, pointed a gun at my head to get me to pay taxes as the video's creator claimed.
lazerbeam134 3 months ago
@lazerbeam134
Try not paying your taxes and see what happens. Seriously, the entire point is that you don't usually see the gun in the room, but the methodology is still there and is directly implied. Therefore children pick up on that even though they dont need to see the gun to understand the effects
Selecsosi135 3 months ago
@Selecsosi135 At most I would go to prison for tax evasion. No one is going to murder me for tax evasion. That is my point.
lazerbeam134 2 months ago
@lazerbeam134 And what happens when you decide that you don't want to be kidnapped? How do they make you go to prison? Why would you ever willingly go to prison for not supporting a murderous government? Because they have guns that are are not afraid (actually they feel morally justified) to use
Selecsosi135 2 months ago
@lazerbeam134 I don't understand your reply. Do you have any doubt that the government will use violence against you if you ignore it? It is threatening you with violence to make you obedient. Kind of like school bully that demands kids' lunch money.
saldownik 3 months ago
@saldownik Not really the same thing. For tax evasion, you get a trial. You get a sentence that most likely involves imprisonment or fines equal to the amount you owe. A bully who takes your lunch money will physically harm you, and you won't be able to fight it in any court.
lazerbeam134 2 months ago
@lazerbeam134 You are right, there are communication problems between us, they are probably unsolvable through this comments. I sincerely don't see how one can name killing of a person during Cambodian genocide nonviolent, just because this man was tried by government appointed people beforehand. Your language, while different than mine, isn't uncommon, some people i've met also said that they "wouldn't see any violence2 there, it was the government that did it".
saldownik 2 months ago
@saldownik Having to pay a tax isn't the same as genocide. In fact, the intent in each case is very different. I never said any genocide is nonviolent, the implication that I did is dishonest.When I pay taxes I expect that money to provide for welfare programs, defense, and the business of state. Necessary things that we established a democratic government. When I feel that my tax money is used for the wrong reasons I have the right to demand accountability.
lazerbeam134 2 months ago
@lazerbeam134 established a democratic gov't for*
lazerbeam134 2 months ago
@lazerbeam134 Perhaps i overinterpreted your statements, perhaps not, i found your word similar to words of other people I've met, hence my extrapolation. I didn't equate taxes and genocide and i only implied (maybe sloppily) that you would consider death penalty nonviolent if performed by the state, just like kidnapping of a person that don't pay for welfare programs. Cambodia was just concrete example. Anyway, you are probably right that we lack a common language to express some crucial ideas.
saldownik 2 months ago
@saldownik Well, I don't consider all imprisonment to be the same as kidnapping. And the death penalty is clearly a violation of the Constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishment. The language I am using would have to be the language of the Constitution. It is the way our predecessors hoped to establish a society that would be free and fair. Taxes pay for more than welfare. They pay for defense, they pay for law enforcement, and day-to-day facillitation of gov't.
lazerbeam134 2 months ago
Brilliant vlog! I'll never look at bullying the same way again thanks to you.
peacepalace 3 months ago
Excellent video!
1977Melville 3 months ago
A grade one boy in my town (6 years old). He kicks and punches others kids, insults them, and more. He has an attendent (adult) with him when not in class. I asked "what about the parents" to another adult, I was answered "when Mom is high most of the time, what you expect". Now, there is a future criminal in preparation, the fact that Mom is high and treats him like shit has nothing to do with the government (other than for being on Welfare). Really, Steph, you need to get out more.
geraldcaron 3 months ago
Where do our children get their bullying behavior?
What should a parent do when their child, like mine, starts bullying them?
TheAwakenedOne 3 months ago
Why value vulgarity?
AkivaII 3 months ago
Even better, children are mirrors made of sponges!
MeanderingBeing 3 months ago
Although you are really good at getting you point across, I thing you are giving kids too much credit. Bullying is so widespread because there is no justice within public schools. Public sector teachers have no interest in preventing it because they get paid nonetheless. Contrast that with private schools where they do everything in there power to stop it or suffer profit losses from parents switching to other schools. I've personally heard teachers say that preventing bullying is not their job.
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood In my experience, public school administration actually punishes children who try to defend themselves from violent bullying. I've personally been suspended on many occasions for someone trying to beat me up then getting punched back... They always say "it always takes two to fight" and stupid shite like that. My question always was "so I'm supposed to just stand there and let some prick bust my face in?" ...You know what one of my teachers said when asked that? She said "Yes."
MeanderingBeing 3 months ago 2
@MeanderingBeing Ya, same situations always used to happen to me back in middle school and high school. Whenever i fought back I was the one suspended. Once they actually recommended me to a psychiatrist. Complete bullshit like that. I honestly wish at the very least,if they cant completely abolishing the public edu system, the government take the fair share of the cost of my education and put it into a private school my parents choose me to go.I have no problem with bullies ,I just want justice
LasagnaIsGood 3 months ago
@LasagnaIsGood Exactly! There's so much incentive to keep the kids happy to get them coming back for the service in the future. Why would anyone pay out of pocket to send their kid's somewhere they were always upset about?
Steve83B 3 months ago
I couldn't agree more. I can't count the number of times I was punished for no reason by the schools. Each time it made me more critical and care less about what they wanted of me. The schools protected bullies in my experience. Once when I got in a fight because of it, they expelled me and had me see a psychiatrist who said I had ADD and ODD, and he tried to get me to take amphetamines and anti-depressants. But he didn't even listen to my story, so I knew better than to trust him, so I didn't.
undeadpresident 3 months ago
You rock so hard. This was awesome. Why cant you be the president of the USA.
bary1234 3 months ago
Thank goodness I live in Finland. My kids will have both parents and a safe community around them. They will get help and rules, hobbies and education. They will be safe, and live like our species are supposed to live.
Unless overpopulation or religion fucks up this planet too badly.
bary1234 3 months ago
@bary1234 please use some other nationality while trolling. I'm a Finn and many of my friends honestly think like that (and just as out of context as you -- this video was about bullying in school), so I can't help but responding by letting everyone know that not all Finns are that arrogant, close-minded and ignorant. It's just the 99% giving bad name for the rest of the 1%.
glasnikov 3 months ago
@glasnikov : Something weird happened to my my comment there. But I wanted to ask what did I say that was trollish in your opinion?
bary1234 3 months ago
@bary1234
bary1234 3 months ago
I remember having an epiphany as a kid, when I smashed a big chunk of ice on the back of the kid who used to bully me. He tried to duck, but I still hit him, squarely on the back as hard as I ever could. That ice-block was maybe 5 kilos, I smashed it on him with both hands, from the top of my head.
He was not seriously hurt, but I bet he felt that hit for days. And apparently he was scared of me after that. I was never bullyed again.
I wish I had done it sooner. I still feel good for doing it.
bary1234 3 months ago
This is a message to the Head of whatever the shit is going on with this planet, your cattle have found out what your doing, and if you arent carefull we will start a stampede!
Arwyroe 3 months ago
5 starz for the passion and truth in your vid. thank you!
KenaiFlyer 3 months ago
My (public) high school adopted a "zero tolerance" policy toward bullying and fighting. It sounds good on paper, but in reality it just guarantees that a victim of bullying will not only be a victim of a bully but a victim of a school punishment. Empower the kids.
djb5255 3 months ago
This is propaganda kids. Teachers are not paid by the end of a gun, but whole countries are bombed, destroyed, and occupied by the US and NATO military by the end of a gun. Yes kids do mirror their parents and culture. If you don't do business with the US expect to be killed. If you don't comply with the orders of the Nazi fascists expect to be bullied, discredited, labeled terrorist and locked up in jail.
HostileNegotiator 3 months ago
wow...this video is incredible....his words speak volumes...unfortunately, many wont look at this video for fear it's about kids being physically bullied by each other...i will share this with as many link minded libertarian friends and spread the word of just how right on this message truly is....stop conformity, stop stealing, stop the controlling and the manipulation in public education and in our government
suzylaverty 3 months ago 8
@suzylaverty thank you, I appreciate your support Suzy
stefbot 3 months ago 2
Awesome!
DanielLionheart1 3 months ago
Excellent !
craziesthorse 3 months ago
I completely agree
GoldSnacks 3 months ago
Incredible vid. You are extremely deductive and have a way with words
richardblabla 3 months ago
As a freshman i can agree and relate to this
rapattacker1 3 months ago in playlist More videos from stefbot
that's why we gotta vote for ron paul man, all the more reason.
Punisher33100 4 months ago
It's the economy that is in the dumps - paying for wars and keeping the rich, RICH. Taxes are not our problem. Then he attacks teachers and education. The guy is talking out of his ass. Couldn't watch past the 1/2 way mark.
only3wishes 5 months ago
By far, BY FAR...one of my absolute favorite podcast from FDR. Makes a god damn phenomenal amount of strong obvious points.
BobbyRayCopernicus 6 months ago
I had to quit scool over being bullied my principal sided with the bullys and said i musta been doin somthing wrong and refused to do anything and i was getting jumped at school all the time...... theyre luck as a child i had no access to firearms or columbine mighta happened a few years earlier in RI
36gh0zt36 7 months ago
Truth! How powerful and refeshing to hear! Thanks again Stefen!
CaniPaul1 7 months ago
Very good analysis. My father was raised four decades ago and he says he can remember barely any serious cases of bullying. His father and mother worked hard on the farm but had plenty of time to spend with the kids. Now in the workplace culture we have in corporate America, people who spend too much time doing non-workplace related things are seen as lazy and/or unmotivated. So we all run on the treadmills like silly little hamsters, and the kids don't learn boundaries or social grace.
fluffsies1 7 months ago
There are pirates and emperors, but they're really the same thing...
Dragonrose36 8 months ago
I'm 12 years old and completely agree with this!
WarriorCatTigerLuver 9 months ago 42
@WarriorCatTigerLuver
your channel name
it's awesome
SlipAllCityToy 5 months ago
Agreed so much. This needs to be shown to the google chrome thing for "homosexual bullying".. gotta love they didn't even generalize it, makes you question what they REALLY want to do... children are the future but we are screwing up their future !!!
bcbudqueen420 9 months ago
love the Lord of The Flies reference lol
TLKGuitarMan 9 months ago
I love the no-research scapegoat blame game.
MyOnlyFarph 9 months ago
There are some rare cases of true ADD, ADHD, ODD, etc. The problem now is that it has become a trending diagnosis, meaning that if a psychiatrist is pressured to help an 'unruly' child, he or she can simply throw a dart at a pie chart of disorders and prescribe whatever sticks. The actual criteria to be diagnosed with these disorders are much more strict than the popular definitions.
potatoXmosher 9 months ago 2
You all do understand, that the "statest system" comes from human interaction? No matter what system you put in place, it winds up like this, even if the participants are totally unaware of what's happening. So it's nice to talk a good game about how the "system" is at fault, but the fact is it's nature of humans to subjugate each other.
waltherchemnitz 11 months ago
@waltherchemnitz Are you implying that we humans are so devoid of reason that any other interaction that doesn't gravitates around violence is impossible?
jedyondo 10 months ago
@jedyondo That is the implication isn't? However, it is exactly because human beings have the ability to reason that I say what I'm saying. Unless we're honest with ourselves, and stop pretending it's "us vs. them", or blaming some nebulous group outside our own, we'll always be trapped in our own foolishness. You know the kind of attitude I'm talking about;the "boys will be boys" attitude of there's nothing we can do about it.
waltherchemnitz 10 months ago
@waltherchemnitz I am only against those who try to impose their point of view initiating the use of violence. If you are not of that kind then we are in the same boat. Against a tyrant all the slaves are brothers.
jedyondo 10 months ago
1:05 hahahahah
alistairproductions 11 months ago
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carabraia 1 year ago
Real eye opener.
MrsSamanthababy 1 year ago 11
might not... it isn't their fault
StarBeachFan1994 1 year ago
So true!
465160 1 year ago
Check out this teaser for a new anti-bullying film coming out this year called "Bullycam". If you would like to show your support, please visit the film's Facebook page and help spread the word. Thank you!
youtube.com/watch?v=-8YlhAWxZ4Q
bullycammovie 1 year ago
So say we all, Stef! Frak the state!
damagebf 1 year ago
You Are Cool
SustenanceNCovering 1 year ago
I disagree with his conclusion. Statism is not the problem. It's the banks. Banks owning the states, enslaving them, setting them up. That's the problem.
DutchPatriotChannel 1 year ago
@DutchPatriotChannel Banks have guns and military?
Oyaji291 1 year ago
@Oyaji291 Saying the statism is the problem is very ignorant and short-sighted. Guess who financed the nazi's, organized communism, hijacked the United States. It's the same bankers over and over again.
DutchPatriotChannel 1 year ago
@DutchPatriotChannel financing oversees enemies is something that has stirred boycott as well as legal recourse depending on the situation. You should really define hijacking the United States clearly though, as I still don't see banks with guns and military.
Oyaji291 1 year ago
@Oyaji291 Also remember that in many cases of these financing of political enemies, these were moves where the banks were given protection by politicians during the process.
Oyaji291 1 year ago
@Oyaji291 A sovereign nation should issue its own money: The Secret of Oz. The US doesn't do that. You should know about corporatism: The Federal Reserve, the military-industrial complex, the Rockefellers. The US sole purpose was to keep the banks out. What is your alternative to statism anyway? Suicide? Living like monkeys?
DutchPatriotChannel 1 year ago
@DutchPatriotChannel The Fed needs ended, so does the military aggression. And sir, with statism, our government spending and spending and spending has caused the budget deficit to go through the roof. When the world decides to switch the reserve currency to something else, we WILL be living like suicidal monkeys.
My alternative: Minarchism. A Libertarian free market.
Oyaji291 1 year ago
@Oyaji291 Minarchism is statism. Budget deficit? Go watch The Secret of Oz. The US is a slave colony. A government doesn't need to borrow money. We don't have a government. I hope you're happy now. I would prefer transparent, interest-free local currencies, issued at a city or state level.
DutchPatriotChannel 1 year ago
@DutchPatriotChannel Minarchism is statism, but a lesser degree than the current statism which is a self-propogating form.
I will watch it only if it's not left wing propaganda
Oyaji291 1 year ago
@Oyaji291 It's not 'left' versus 'right'. It's main street versus wall street. Corporations get less gov't, while the people get more gov't, when it should be the other way around.
DutchPatriotChannel 1 year ago
Good speech. Insightful and very well delivered.
squellock 1 year ago
what's this guy's background? 2 out of 2 vids i watched have references to romania.
eskimoplanecrash 1 year ago
@eskimoplanecrash
ya, I'm romanian and I was amused by the "romanian goddamn orphan" in a crib comparison :)) what was that about living in the narative? there's a lot of narative about romania going on I can tell u :) not that I'm a nationalist or anything, I couldn't care less about countries and their borders and their differences, just an observation.
woodsmailbox1 1 year ago
i like your background a lot
feeltheillinois 1 year ago
The drugs used for ADHD are totally different than the kinds of drugs you'd expect to see in a communist torture camp.
I am sympathetic towards Stef's argument, but attacking ADHD drugs with such analogies is ignorant of the pharmacology involved. Do your homework, or don't make the argument at all.
bknight009 1 year ago
@bknight009 Maybe you should research your own beliefs. We are a product of our environment and throwing pills at the kids isn't a solution. I would like to show you that not one of the hundreds of kids, i know, that are on ADHD meds do not require such perverted intrusions.
TheGazoo31 1 year ago
@TheGazoo31 There's no "belief" to it. It's a simple question of pharmacology. ADHD drugs are not well-suited for torture, especially not at the doses commonly used in clinical contexts. If you have an opposing argument based on actual pharmacologic rationale, I'd love to hear it. -- If you have a moral opposition to medicating children, then say so, but recognize that moral opposition may be totally separate from the concepts of evidence-based medicine.
bknight009 1 year ago
@bknight009Hum.. a belief bknight, as you are believing that a little something bad isn't still something bad(doses). I know enough about the greed environment we have built ourselves to understand the failure to do adequate research before subjecting kids or humans to ill tested product. It is and has been common practice to push bad products for profit. Many studies elaborate on the negatvie effects of these drugs and the lack of knowledge of these risks (Ritalin,Adderall,Prozac.,etc.. etc..
TheGazoo31 1 year ago
@TheGazoo31 “All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison and a remedy.” -- Paracelsus
I dislike the FDA, but their drug approval standards are generally high. Have you ever seen a photo from the old days before computers when drug companies submitted their data to the FDA for approval? It'd be stacks of hundreds of boxes of papers, enough to fill an entire room.
Drug toxicity is always a concern, but you're massively overexaggerating.
bknight009 1 year ago
WOW and I Mean WOW! - That is the most passionate that I have see Stef on any subject. Good job!
evryonesacritic 1 year ago
messed up video, messed up man, bower park school has the most kids bullying!!! If you want ur child to go to bower park think again! its really crappy and the teachers dont know what there doing....
LegendJoe4svidz 1 year ago
i feel this may be part of the problem, but he vastly overestimates it's impact on children, and moreso should have focused on relationships they are involved in with their parents and superiors, this is where the vast majority of their relationship habits form, a parent bullies his child showing no love or gives no reasoning to why he should do it, believe the child recognizes that the parent is the one in power, and he will long for that,and he will long for that, and he will long for that,
JasonRobinsonBand 1 year ago
Great video Stefbot and an important subject!
What needs to be made public is the fact teachers are used against whistle-blowers and activists children; they're the ones that do the 'bad-jacketing' of the targets to allow 'nature to run its course' creating havoc for the targeted teens.
Fact: "There are children killing themselves over this garbage!"
UnoRaza 1 year ago
and then the time comes where he has the opportunity to have it and feel it and you are surprised when he takes initiative? no im not
JasonRobinsonBand 1 year ago
Pong, the catalyst for serial killers everywhere.
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boldhero44 1 year ago
My son intervened when he saw a kid being bullied at school. He told the bully to stop. That did not work so he hit the bully. The bully ran to the teacher and my son was suspended from school. I had to go and do a "Stefbot" sermon to the headmaster... wish I had a Pink Floyd backing track! My son learned a lot this week!
KoolBloo 1 year ago
@KoolBloo Some of the "bullying" is actually organized mobbing!
You can spot the latter by 'bad-jacketing' on the part of the teachers and if they're ranking teachers then it's all but a certain.
My kids were targeted due to a former employer for whom a particular piece of software, by definition, made me a permanent threat to their reputation should it be made public.
Funny how it was done in stages to hide what they were doing and was a major law firm; law firms have some crazy 'tools'.
UnoRaza 1 year ago
@KoolBloo Sadly school will never do anything about bullying, they are the jocks and the kiss ass straight A students. When kids are fed up of being bullied and finally take action they are the ones in trouble. If the schools don't start taking action against the bullies there will be another Columbine, it's only matter of time.
RandomMultiLives 1 year ago
w.haltnow.ca
Bullying is more than bad it is wrong and must be stopped. Let's save our children, family, and friends
haltnow1 1 year ago
This is totally true. It's like Batman's Joker saying, "I'm not a bully. Bullying is BAD" and then releasing toxic happy gas. I believe the whole tough love contributes to bullying no doubt. It's firm tough love and you'll hate me for the rest of your life, but atleast you'll learn? Hah! Learn what? Bullshit? Tough love is like a broken record on full blast teaching children how to play music!
BobbyRayCopernicus 1 year ago 2
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BobbyRayCopernicus 1 year ago
The parent or teacher who says "do as I say, not as I do" is a lazy fucking piece of shit!
Example, if a parent lets one of the older kids beat up the younger ones and lets the older one get away with it, by telling the younger child "your brother loves you and you should forgive", then that is called fucking with the child's reasoning!
If the parent forces their child to learn music, when they don't want to and the parent says they love them, that is like saying stalking is an OK act!
RyunSharp 1 year ago
Great speech !! Those 16 people dat disliked it must be delusional or something!!! hahahaha "Ignorance is bliss, until it hits you straight on your face like a fist" !!
Xc3ntrikk 1 year ago
The entire school structure is centered on teaching you one lesson: "You are not responsible enough to know when you need to use the bathroom" :)
twistedbydsign99 1 year ago
you are so dead on correct.
StUDioROMe 1 year ago 2
Exactly!!!
Jaynagurl1 1 year ago 2
HAHA! Your fucking Brutal man! Keep this shit coming! CHEERS!!!
BEZCORE 1 year ago 3
it is sickening the way in which we treat children
DrKleiner 1 year ago 28
WOw, Stef, you do have an ability to think outside the square. What you are saying is right on. Another one of your great vids mate. Thanks heaps for this insight, it is strange, It is as though I knew what your saying but needed someone like you to put it out there
PlatinumGordon 1 year ago 2
It seems a bit of an interesting quandary... To what extent do we -- as Sovereign Individual adults -- "allow" children to "govern" or direct, or even simply inform us what is best for them, or what we should or should not be doing for them?
To what extent do WE determine what is in their best interests?
FreedomBuilder 1 year ago
Excellent rant. You made some very good points here.
oTANSTAAFLo 1 year ago
nice Lord of the Flies reference
qtzlctl2012 1 year ago
Oh, I fucking love it when you get this mad. It's so awesome...
mynameaborat993 1 year ago
Hell-to-the-yeah, Stef!
MrDorkusMaximus 1 year ago
Outstanding, Stef...outstanding. My sons' previous school (public) had this whole anti-bullying thing going to on and even had T-shirts. We pulled him out and put him into a private , catholic school. His education far superior there than to any public system. At 7 years old, he can do basic algebra and does fairly well at it too. Problem is, I'm stuck in that rut where I have work my arse off to pay for it ;) but it's worth it. I've also cut back my OT so I can spend more time with the kids.
KodoTheShoe 1 year ago
15 teachers don't want to lose their jobs.
VALsacount2 1 year ago
Preach it, brother.
afrojayjay 1 year ago 2
Hey teacher, leave them kids alone!
schulwitz 1 year ago
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RadicalHighscore 1 year ago
Everyone, make this go viral.
JacobSpinney 1 year ago 2
Here's something I've been thinking about. In school they tell you to be good and share. But when you are an adult, you see the headline - "Mother fined 1.5 million dollars for sharing 24 songs." What the heck is goin on!???
melissacarl2002 1 year ago 11
@melissacarl2002 What is going on is HYPOCRISY. Simple as that. You know it, my girl.
RuddODragonFear 11 months ago
BRILLIANT.
carlosafi669 1 year ago
One point Stef they don't always drug schoolchildren like Soviet dissidents, sometimes they confine them like Soviet dissidents, with an unfair trial, with no representation, the prosecutor and the judge being the same person, and nothing like a realistic chance of appeal.
newperve 1 year ago
What I loved about being a schoolchild was being told "If you're being bullied, just go away from the bully." by the person who sent me to the place where I was being bullied.
newperve 1 year ago
Stefan for president! lol
JimmyV2009 1 year ago
@JimmyV2009 Great idea, but he'd resign during his inauguration speech, so perhaps not the best long term use of our resources.
newperve 1 year ago
very entertaining side-show Bob.
simonty1811 1 year ago
Taxes are vital to society, the government needs to provide education to all citizens, to redistribute to wealth, to maintain ordered society.
It is stupid that schools and business do not sync. schedules, and poor teaching is no reason for medication.
I do not agree with your views on the child choosing the subjects to study. Math is hard, it is boring, and it is the most vital subject taught in school. It teaches a way of thinking and gives children a set of tools they need to succeed.
Hashime777222 1 year ago
@Hashime777222 --- Theft is vital to society? The government needs to provide brainwashing to all citizens?
thinkrevolution 1 year ago
@Hashime777222
I lol'd at "taxes are vital to society."
MusicalAdrian 1 year ago
@MusicalAdrian How would you pay for government officials, support programs, health care, defense, or even public infrastructure?
Hashime777222 1 year ago
@Hashime777222
Fair question, but you have to remember, those are all just "problems." Think of the state as a proposed (and now tested) answer to those problems. The anti-statists are the people who have realized that this proposal FAILS in every conceivable way. Not only is it ineffective, it's counter-productive. Plus, how much sense does it make to put all those important things that you listed under the same umbrella? Those are pretty big bites... more than one firm would help, yeah?
MusicalAdrian 1 year ago
@Hashime777222 Fire government officials, support your own friends and family, use traditional medicine, learn the ways of war / have your own weapons, come together with your neighbors to lay roads. Of course, I'm from the South were it ain't just constant concrete. I don't think constant concrete ever works. The boulevards eventually burn, crumble, and fall.
MotesTV 1 year ago
@MotesTV Can traditional medicine detect and treat a damaged heart valve? Brain cancer? An auto immune disease?
I bet after a few years of laying roads with your neighbors one says "This would go faster if we had an organized team", which it will, and soon government begins to take shape again.
As for math, you like math, fine, but a young child cannot decide for themselves at that level of math whether or not is it for them. In high school yes, but until that point no.
Hashime777222 1 year ago
@Hashime777222 Ok, you're a great example of how bad the system is. Not saying this to be offensive it's just you've highlighted a particular flaw in it. Math is boring? Why? Math is the key to thousands of interesting things, it allows mastery in one's life in ways not possible without it, it's got dozens (at least) of sub-topics so it's varied as well and finally it's just plain cool. Yet somehow you got the idea that it's boring. How did that happen?
newperve 1 year ago
@newperve Math is not as interesting as say playing baseball, or in my case doing some lab work, but as I said, it is vital. Math is a tool that is used for almost everything, it to most people is not their preferred way of spending time. Note: Integral calculus is awesome and interesting, doing times tables in grade 2 or 3 in not.
Hashime777222 1 year ago
@Hashime777222 Not so it's boring relative to other things. Fair enough. But what you said was that it was boring, full stop. This is the attitude that much if not most people have to it, especially women. The current system (both educational and societal) has to take the blame for that.
newperve 1 year ago
@newperve
You know what, I agree 100%, particularly on the women aspect. I am studying nanotechnology engineering and in my class of 152 there are about 22 women (we are not sure about a few). It is a little crappy because the way my program works we are together as a class for the 5 year length of the program, and it is a bit of a sausage fest.
Hashime777222 1 year ago
@Hashime777222
I agree that it's beneficial to know at LEAST basic mathematics, and that's why I teach it to my kids. The fact about math in my life is that certain kinds of it are essential for everyday living, and other kinds are completely irrelevant to how I live my life. Forcing everyone to learn advanced math makes as much sense as forcing everyone to learn to... tile floors, or... make video games. The knowledge should be cherished, preserved, and available, sure... but not mandatory.
MusicalAdrian 1 year ago
@MusicalAdrian
To a point I agree. I think everyone should at least be exposed to the many different types of math (and science). Doing statistics calculations may be boring to some but awesome for another like calculus, actuarial science, integral calculus...
I think a course to expose all students to these topics should be mandatory.
Hashime777222 1 year ago
@Hashime777222
Well sure, ideally, people would have access and exposure to the things you listed, and more - things that enrich us as people. I only disagree about making it mandatory. Think about the implications: are you saying that if a parent refuses to allow his child to be taken away for a course, then that parent should be carted off to jail and the child removed from the home? "Hey kid, we wrecked your childhood, but here... have this calculus class." I don't see that working out.
MusicalAdrian 1 year ago
@MusicalAdrian I am more thinking along the lines "you need 3 math credits to graduate high-school" (how it was for me) Each of the said courses would have an aspect related to the more abstract mathematical topics, and like is was in my board there were different streams based on the persons aptitude in that subject area. Basically like the current system with a little more discussion on where things go and why you should get there.
Hashime777222 1 year ago
@Hashime
Sounds like a good system. If not for that nasty "now cooperate or I will send in men with guns to arrest you" bit at the end, I'd be for it.
Don't you see? Being anti-state doesn't mean being against rules, or innovation, or order, or peace, or education, or anything like that. All we're saying is that we don't need men running around with guns in order to get people to cooperate with each other, and there's no reason why this person should owe that person money baed on parentage.
MusicalAdrian 1 year ago 2
@MusicalAdrian
Sorry I lost you. There are no guns involved, just a lack of ability to graduate without the required credits, and if a special circumstance is identified the system is flexible. Throughout high school I chose at least half of my courses. It worked quite well.
As for guns, the only people in Ontario allowed to run around with guns are police officers who have much bigger things to worry about than academics. I don't get your last statement at all.
Hashime777222 1 year ago
@Hashime777222
No, there ARE guns involved. With high school kids, it's probably a bit different. But let a parent try to withdraw their child from public school by just not taking them anymore. You might say the school/state will do something mild or peaceful to get the kid back in school, but it's all enforced with violence and coercion.
You chose your classes, but were forbidden from simply opting out. How do you not understand the oppression there?
AxxesS9000 1 year ago
@AxxesS9000 I have never seen this ever, probably because I am not from the united states. I know in Canada if you withdraw a child from a publicly funded school (catholic, public, french, combination of the two) The parent will be investigated for the good of the child. That is if the parent is not providing curriculum relevant education (curriculum will be a point of contention for you) either through a private institution or home schooling action will be taken in the form of child services.
Hashime777222 1 year ago
@AxxesS9000
You can opt out, it is called dropping out of high school. It is a very self centered viewpoint to think that you only have to do things you want / like to do, things that are hard. To succeed one must overcome obstacles, in the case of school these are subjects you do not enjoy. Imagine a generation of kids taught if you find something hard or boring you should not do it. Exercise is hard and to some boring, reading is hard for some, boring for others, what about a relationship?