well i will go ahead say one of the reasons for this ability is so that the aircraft can perform a tighter scissors manuever without losing power. this aircraft is the only one in the world that can defy most all of the laws of physics and still not lose any power or stall out. the aircraft has thrust vectoring which means the exhaust nozzles will move up and down with the elevators, this is the main thing that keeps the aircraft from stalling when in a tight turn like this.
The thing is that there has not yet taken place a dogfight between fighters with these capabilities. Personally I think this is useless in a dogfight; tight turning while being able to keep high speed is a keyfactor. Otherwise you are a sitting duck. But on a show it is fancy!
I'm sure that this is far from what its capable of. It'd be interesting to see how good it is without TVC. Pure aerodynamic maneuverability. How good would it be against say an F-15
I think the main thing people are forgetting is this plane is also more stealthy than a stealth bomber...You have all the maneuvering but more than likely you won't have to dogfight although it's obviously capable.
No that's incorrect my friend. F-22 has a newer generation of stealth technology, and is the stealthiest plane, the RCS is the size of a marble. B-2 RCS is size of a golf ball.
@OlderG0ds thats right, cuz you work on 22's right? and have worked beside the B-2 and have been inside both. right?? let me tell you, i have. And yes, the B-2 has a smaller RCS. Simply because it has less to bounce the radar back with. i.e. less angles...no vertical stabs, no angled intakes, and so on.
@OlderG0ds imma crew chief on f-22 and ive seen and talked to people who work on the B-2, been in the cockpits, talked to the pilots. so i know what im talkin bout
@lankygiant16 B-2s stealth is also more wide-band with capability to defeat L-band and even VHF frequencies due to its size according to dr. Karlo Kopp.
Folks, it's called thrust vectoring. It's technology that's been around for awhile. In fact there's some experimental craft that have no vertical or horizontal stabilizers. The flight control computer moves the thrust where stability is needed. Technology is the product of science. Science is moving away from traditional aeronautics.
in the dogfighting arena this would be pointless awesome to watch YES. but the airspeed needs to be low enough to pull this off if airspeed was high the Gs would bend the airframe not to mention blackout the pilot so why would one deplete there energy state in the first place SPEED IS LIFE im not hatin on the F22 its a capable platform
actually when doing these flips and turns there is very little G force to matter the speed. its proven. because this plane stays in its own space it doesnt loop around..
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F22 only have thrust vectoring in the vertical axis, that why he turned first. For 300 mil a pop could've figured out the other dimension too. Go migs.
i was thinking, the point of that is so a pursuing jet would overshoot it right? but it takes so long to recover and regain speed after that, wouldnt the other jet be able to finish the loop and and have a good shot at the raptor as it is regaining itself?
i have no expertise on the matter, so dont criticize if im completely wrong, just my thoughts. if there are any people out there who knows better, please explain.
no, the point of doing that is to impress congressmen so they'll approve your multibillion dollar acquisition program, even though the F-16 already rules the skies and modern war is fought by guerrillas can take out a squad of U.S. infantrymen with a $20 IED.
It's called technology, staying ahead of the enemy, stealth, manuverability. I don't deny that things like that happen, but I imagine it's very difficult for the soldiers when the "rules of engagement" has it where they can't defend themselves. That's how I feel.
@jaylemeux The F-16 is pretty capable but it doesn't "rule the skies." You sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Many nations have more capable aircraft, especially when F-16 airframes are nearing the end of their serviceable lifespan.
Pilots make decisions on the circumstances. If there are multiple enemies, then I imagine he wouldn't do this manuver. If it's a single enemy then It would be something I would want to use. :)
well the persuing jet wouldn't know that the f-22 would do the flip in the first place so it takes that second for that pilot to realize what its doing and try to pull up and follow and the f-22 doesn't have to really complete the flip just get the enemy jet someone what in front of it to get a lock and let the missiles fly
well i will go ahead say one of the reasons for this ability is so that the aircraft can perform a tighter scissors manuever without losing power. this aircraft is the only one in the world that can defy most all of the laws of physics and still not lose any power or stall out. the aircraft has thrust vectoring which means the exhaust nozzles will move up and down with the elevators, this is the main thing that keeps the aircraft from stalling when in a tight turn like this.
tftrainman 10 months ago
The thing is that there has not yet taken place a dogfight between fighters with these capabilities. Personally I think this is useless in a dogfight; tight turning while being able to keep high speed is a keyfactor. Otherwise you are a sitting duck. But on a show it is fancy!
greetenmax 1 year ago
I'm sure that this is far from what its capable of. It'd be interesting to see how good it is without TVC. Pure aerodynamic maneuverability. How good would it be against say an F-15
Spetsnazovets 1 year ago
oh man!..
tdabamm12 2 years ago
I think the main thing people are forgetting is this plane is also more stealthy than a stealth bomber...You have all the maneuvering but more than likely you won't have to dogfight although it's obviously capable.
King1of1Htown 2 years ago
actually, king1of1htown, the B-2 has a smaller RCS than the f-22. crazy to think about, being that its 30 years old... but its true.
lankygiant16 1 year ago
No that's incorrect my friend. F-22 has a newer generation of stealth technology, and is the stealthiest plane, the RCS is the size of a marble. B-2 RCS is size of a golf ball.
OlderG0ds 1 year ago
@OlderG0ds thats right, cuz you work on 22's right? and have worked beside the B-2 and have been inside both. right?? let me tell you, i have. And yes, the B-2 has a smaller RCS. Simply because it has less to bounce the radar back with. i.e. less angles...no vertical stabs, no angled intakes, and so on.
lankygiant16 1 year ago
I find it a little hard to believe, but not saying you're lying that you work on both the F-22 and B-2 lol.
But no I do not. I'm just very interested in aviation. My dad was a jet mechanic in the USMC for 20+ years so it's kinda rubbed off on me
OlderG0ds 1 year ago
@OlderG0ds imma crew chief on f-22 and ive seen and talked to people who work on the B-2, been in the cockpits, talked to the pilots. so i know what im talkin bout
lankygiant16 1 year ago
@lankygiant16 B-2s stealth is also more wide-band with capability to defeat L-band and even VHF frequencies due to its size according to dr. Karlo Kopp.
Spetsnazovets 1 year ago
Look at the russians!
THEY are the real masters of thrust-vector-control!
henne6477 2 years ago
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too bad they screwed themselves making tons of nukes and can't afford to keep up
King1of1Htown 2 years ago
Folks, it's called thrust vectoring. It's technology that's been around for awhile. In fact there's some experimental craft that have no vertical or horizontal stabilizers. The flight control computer moves the thrust where stability is needed. Technology is the product of science. Science is moving away from traditional aeronautics.
mindeloman 2 years ago
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planefreak3 2 years ago
There's a reason why Mac only accounts for 7% of all users.
tigerswede3 2 years ago
@tigerswede3 theres a reason i dont like them anymore
planefreak3 2 years ago
sweet
littlelosito 2 years ago
in the dogfighting arena this would be pointless awesome to watch YES. but the airspeed needs to be low enough to pull this off if airspeed was high the Gs would bend the airframe not to mention blackout the pilot so why would one deplete there energy state in the first place SPEED IS LIFE im not hatin on the F22 its a capable platform
kiwicannon 2 years ago
actually when doing these flips and turns there is very little G force to matter the speed. its proven. because this plane stays in its own space it doesnt loop around..
tmanorange 2 years ago
It does it quicker than the mig.Does the same things just quicker.
IdunCareLesSn00b 3 years ago
It'd be so awesome to see the su-27 and later series sukhoi models do a Pugachev Cobra right next to this thing. That would be a show to see.
suraxis 3 years ago
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F22 only have thrust vectoring in the vertical axis, that why he turned first. For 300 mil a pop could've figured out the other dimension too. Go migs.
Supafly1st 3 years ago
thats just unnatural for an aircraft to be able to do
ratodoesgato 3 years ago
@ratodoesgato that planes got the devil in it.
darkknightbob101 2 years ago
i was thinking, the point of that is so a pursuing jet would overshoot it right? but it takes so long to recover and regain speed after that, wouldnt the other jet be able to finish the loop and and have a good shot at the raptor as it is regaining itself?
i have no expertise on the matter, so dont criticize if im completely wrong, just my thoughts. if there are any people out there who knows better, please explain.
r00sh 3 years ago
no, the point of doing that is to impress congressmen so they'll approve your multibillion dollar acquisition program, even though the F-16 already rules the skies and modern war is fought by guerrillas can take out a squad of U.S. infantrymen with a $20 IED.
jaylemeux 3 years ago
It's called technology, staying ahead of the enemy, stealth, manuverability. I don't deny that things like that happen, but I imagine it's very difficult for the soldiers when the "rules of engagement" has it where they can't defend themselves. That's how I feel.
zman815 3 years ago
@jaylemeux The F-16 is pretty capable but it doesn't "rule the skies." You sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Many nations have more capable aircraft, especially when F-16 airframes are nearing the end of their serviceable lifespan.
rob583 6 months ago
Pilots make decisions on the circumstances. If there are multiple enemies, then I imagine he wouldn't do this manuver. If it's a single enemy then It would be something I would want to use. :)
zman815 3 years ago
well the persuing jet wouldn't know that the f-22 would do the flip in the first place so it takes that second for that pilot to realize what its doing and try to pull up and follow and the f-22 doesn't have to really complete the flip just get the enemy jet someone what in front of it to get a lock and let the missiles fly
coltsfreak1856 3 years ago
if he hit the throtle to the bottom the plane goes faster...
molinobeer 2 years ago
@r00sh no need for that ability anyways. now days missles are sent from 20 miles away. no need for dogfighting.
m14lover1 4 months ago
Wouldn't have been that many G's, the entry was at a low airspeed, and the F-22's are trust-vectored.
flyboy172r 3 years ago
I was at an airshow where an f-22 did that... they are amazing planes!
yourself2036 3 years ago
that is crazyawesome... my mind exploded from it's awesomeness lol
scorpion3128 3 years ago
thats like drifting lol
r00sh 3 years ago
i didnt know a pilot could take tht many Gs
denzii666 3 years ago
wasnt going too fast so that probably made it easier to bear but still that is mad cool.
r00sh 3 years ago
it's actually not as many G's as you might think since he really is not going that fast when he makes the maneuver.
Thomas1016 3 years ago
Dude that is awesome!
Silverfire05 3 years ago