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For those who believe in religion, I want to end this once and for all spread this around as well, God does not exist, but what does exist is Good, so if you believe in 'God' then you believe in good! and evil is Satan! so there's only good and evil, Jesus is Yahweh. And these beings trying to help us into the higher conscious are the angels! So decide whether you want to be with them! or with the evil parasites that rule this planet and haven't told us of this! The choice is yours.
It is a conspiracy to promote fear in order to bring about a one world government! Strong delusion that they should believe a lie, who received not the love if the truth. You'll reject the Lord Jesus Christ but accept a false christ! REPENT and believe the Gospel!!! Jesus is coming soon! The illuminati will use such as this to deceive millions!
@cvlngnrr lol god and jesus are made up all u have to prove god is real is a old dusty book with no author at least the et ancient alien theory have more proof then this magical being in a toga i wipe my ass with the bible lol
@cvlngnrr it's amazing how aliens have to do crop circles in a forest to convince you but religion has convinced you and yet there is no evidence of god's "magic." you're just the person they've been looking for, another hateful sheep.
@cvlngnrr - If there was a Jesus, I wonder if he condescendingly mocked people as is so common these days. Crop circles have nothing to do with Jesus anyway, but with the economy as it is, it's doubtful people are doing this in their spare time for nothing. Even if the economy was booming, it'd still be unlikely, and besides, I don't think humans can make anywhere near the quality of crop circles as whoever, or whatever, is making these.
I think it's quite selfish of humans to think that we are the only life in all of these millions and millions of planets. I believe that some crop circles were made by humans, but some are too complex to make within a night. seriously. I also believe that there IS life outside earth.
"do you really think this could have been made in one night???" um yes, i do. it's called using geometry to plan it out, for fuck's sake. just go to the circlemakers website and look it up. i don't know why these fake researchers are so deluded to think that human's aren't capable of doing this. do you really think spaceships are out there making such ridiculously cartooned portraits of themselves in wheat fields?
How do Aliens, Secret Societies, and Cosmic Events relate?
I thought is was all bullshit so I started doing heavy research and found a few sources that started making sense of it all, you NEED to check this out!:
If this is real, well, someone has done a good job at keeping it on the down-low. I think it's a human right to know what is outside, or who is outside our atmosphere. That knowledge isn't government property, it is the property of every living being on this planet.
SHARE THIS, the people that are pushing for the SOPA internet sensorship now in congress are the same people that distributed the file sharing software!!!! youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc share and pass on if you oppose these psychopaths that rule our world
If anyone is interested this is the most complex nitrogen based molecule of similar structure sythesised to date and guess what? It can potentially be used as a rocket propeller oxidiser...
Maybe they are giving us ideas in what irections to search.
@FromVarvara What is the most complex nitrogen based molecule? Please point it out for us who failed chemistry but somehow blazed through biology hehe
animals peace of shit the way there sytem is brain wash mainkind so u can control it fear is the number one way of making it a reality all i am sayying is look at it this way to think that the world is going to end in 2012 and that msg from aleins is a fact well fuck me u are all deaper then u all think really sit there for a minute and ask ya self this is i am such a wanker and all that about what i said ask ya self s this .if 9.11 was inside job and illuminate had a hand in it even
happen like the war world going bust becouse of it all u hear about how our lifes are like example like bills petrol prices is all illimunati and there goal to make us live like animals and in fear . there next stage is getting us all used to the fact that aleins and the fact that a attack is possible and so on think about it when u seen 9.11 i was like dam thats fucked up to no its a inside job hurts me to say we trusted them to be our angles but in fact our own turned un us like we was
lol how does this person no how to read it the msg fuck me dead love the santic illuminate on how they can brain wash people wake up people look its a symbol its telling me the world will end and that the gods and sooo on lol wake up this is the biggest thing k we have just gone to war on oil not terrist what do u think will will fight next ???????????????????? Aleins y u say that fear u put fear in mankind and the end result is what u have now hardship over greed and the wright to let it
These people need to stop recieving and start using their common sense. If you dont see and alien clear as day, making crop circles or landing to say hi, its bs.
People should stop fighting each other and live in peace because we are all humans. No more countries, no more racial and ethnic segregation, no more wars. People should stop hating each other just because they are different. We are just HUMANS, that's it.
US congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has come out and blamed the pro-Israel Lobby in America (AIPAC, ADL, ZOA, etc) for ruining her political career. While in congress she refused to sign the pro-Israel pledge and took a pro-Palestinian stance. Because of this, McKinney said “war was declared” on her by the Jewish lobby. In 2009 she told TIU's Ognir that “more than 99% of Congress work for Pro Zionist Israeli interests.”
Ya can't just take 3 drunk irishmen and make something of that complexity and geometrical perfection.... This would need 70 eggheads creating the schematics, interpreting them fully, and taking some really good LSD to make that kind of stuff happen. Cheers, Happy new year.
the false promise of democracy and of peaceful new world order government by those who want to take this power by force and through bloodshed? we know who the bearers are adn the people are rising up.
One of, if not the, most important crop circles of all time was the Barbury Castle tetrahedron of 1991, impressive as these ones are that one was the definitive crop formation . Anyone slightly interested in cereology should study that one, its symbology, the night it appeared, the army interest at dawn the next day, what the farmer on the hill saw and heard at 3:30am .
wow, do you have to be a pretentious idiot to write a comment on here? seems like the worlds quota of scientific experts has amassed on this page alone.
@bigbIackcock I just don't know my evocatively named friend. It seems you are only welcome to comment here if you have an open dictionary next to your computer and are stupidly fluent in bullshit.
@bigbIackcock Your name should be bigblackcunt because that's clearly what you are. Fuck off and stop botherin me you oxygen thief. Take a fuckin razor blade to your wrists before someone takes one to your throat.
@tysonfor1 it appears as though you have a dictionary next to your computer as well. i have not seen anyone with a vocabulary similar to yours in a long time. oh, and do not bother with responding to "trolls" such as "bigblackcock". i know that from experience. it just gets people irritated, when instead they should be enjoying the video they came to see.
Naturally the pair of you could have avoided a flaming by taking your own advice and not post dumb, abrasive and trolling comments in the first place, huh champ?
Guess you've never read Darwin huh? Self preserevation ring a bell?
Just some friendly BBC advice for you both to chew over while you're petting each other's balls ;)
"hey add me as a friend. maybe sometime i could come over and pet your big black cock, I use to have a chicken coop myself..and maybe we could also debate crop circles and ufos..later babe."
Thanks for the PM noogey89, I just thought I'd share it with the rest of Youtube to show how much it means to me and why kids should wait until they've gone through puberty before being allowed to have opinions.
@bigbIackcock I guess you'd rather insult people than debate the topic at hand, whats wrong, all your friends gone to nursery? And onus of proof? Well, it seems you would rather not discuss that topic because; well let me see you have none, or atleast have seen no solid evidence to the contrary. So why don't you go sit in the corner of the classroom for being a fucking tool or learn to play nice.
Ahhh, no cheating. You have to do your own homework. I'm well aware of the scientific conclusions concerning many of the circles analyzed. I was open minded enough to do the research without a personal belief bias. I thought I knew it all too... I came to learn that I didn't! I state categorically and with certainty that not all crop circles are man made. Some are; some are not. If you expend your energy doing homework instead of believing you have all the answers, you may learn something new.
No cheating? So what do you call pulling 'facts' out of your ass about renowned world scientists? I'm aware of many 'big names' in the crop circle movement but I don't recognise any as being 'world renowned' in the science community. Elaborate or admit you're pushing off a diminutive base of knowledge. Everytime you're called out you shoot off on a cryptic tangent and spout the much anticipated claptrap about open-mindedness- which is fast becoming a synonym for blindfaith
Let's give this one more try; I know there's a brain in there somewhere...
If you can 'state categorically and with certainty that all crop circles are not man made' then you either have some pretty damning evidence that doesn't stem from the charlatans at BLT, or, you're an impressionable and gullible conspiracy fanboy who laps up all the woo he can to nurture his hungry agenda.
So what's it going to be? Can you prove you're capable of delivering an cited, articulate answer that doesn't rely on words and statements such as 'do your research' and 'open your mind' or would you prefer to dismiss my rebuttal as the work of a shill/disinfo agent or trolling and carry on with your fingers in your ears?
@Deu5Vult I would like to see the evidence of someone creating a crop "picture" or circle in the time it takes for some of these advanced ones to be created? and in the dark? And i would like to hear the testimony of people whitnesing others making these.You are forgeting the people that give the testimony of these events, are they liars? All of them? The "amature" team that created the firefos logo had a team, a plane, a pre-planed timetable and it took a full day begining at dawn?.
Yeh, I guess you'd like to see a video of your parents buying your Justin Bieber alarm clock while he's at it, just to prove Santa didn't do it right?
Seriously dude, does onus of proof mean anything to you?
@Deu5Vult I want to see a video of the team making the alien face and code wheel. You talk about facts but pesented nothing. Give me links, facts based on hard scientific evidence and all the proof i could need to convince me that this is these are all entierly the work of man?
Before we begin I just want to make sure everyone has a handle on the integrity of your logic.You say you require 'hard scientific evidence' for your beliefs to be challenged yet you'll willingly accept second-hand eye witness testimonies found on the internet to confirm them, correct? Also, you imply you follow the scientific method when presenting evidence yet you sidestep the issue of burden of proof when making your extraordinary claims, am I correct?
It seems the punch line is that in light of these double standards, which are all too common among those who consider themselves enlightened and awakened, you consequently invite ridicule from those who recognise your inadequecy in polemics, and still, you're evidently proud of the fact that you have invariably inhibited a sensible debate on the subject.
Your eyes might be open, but you're only seeing what you want to see.
It's safe to assume that a hoaxer would rarely film their work, where would the mystique be in revealing the truth to the gullible masses? However this does not mean that the lack of video evidence automatically presumes the Crabwood Farm formation was of non-human origin. The only thing that does point to it being of non-human origin, is the tripe you fill your head with on the internet.
That said, I'm now willing to entertain any real points you have to make.
@Deu5Vult Integrity of logic. Firstly i asked if you can show me links or videos showing the most "major" crop circles being hoax''''s and you've given me!........fuck all. Listen bud, your analogy of "my eyes being open" and my piousness in my inhibitid view of such topics is a bit of pot calling the kettle black situation. In your descusions with everyone all you've done is give examples of why the Scientific proof that truthseeker has pointed out to you makes no sence to you or your
@Deu5Vult your logic. And double standards? Like i have previously stated i had payed no creadence to this phenomena until i watched a video and "with my own eyes" saw evidence that convinced me that this is no ordinary phenomena. I saw the physical affect on the someones hand as they moved it closer and further from the "bent" corn, and by physical i mean blemishes appearing and disapearing. Cameras concking out once inside the circles (pictures). Now im not daft enough to believe
@Deu5Vult that humans are not capable of achieveing feats like this and i do mean any of them, but not in the situations and time frames alot of the intricate ones have completed.....not a chance. And as for these investigators not haveing sound scientifical methods or being actual scientist? Do you need to be a scientist to have something analised from another scientist? And when you mean sound scientific methods i assume you mean accepted methods for acheiveing result? Because from
@Deu5Vult the test i watched them preform or the result sheets from those test that they provided they look scientificaly sound to me (im not a scientist though are you)? But im not gouing to go over past ground. Yet were is the study of sound scientists debunking these claims from other scientists? There's always a scientist out there willing to defend the honour of science right? And last are all the whitnesses lying? all a fantacy in thier heads? Unlike fucknuts who compared the
@Deu5Vult likeness of needing evidence of this phenomena to the existence of santa clause? I might be right in saying that you are not...well a cock, and can see that when you are talking about evidence there will always be the doulbters who do not agree on the method of investigation to to get the proofs. I believe that there is somthing to this beneath the as-usual layers of bullshit that cover this topic, and i do so because i have seen adequate proof if you disagree show
@Deu5Vult me the proofs to counter these claims and i will pour over them with same indifference and eye for what you call logic as i have done with what i have already researched. And weve all been there and back and back and back. Enlightenment is when you have the ability to tare apart your beliefs and the methods you have come to rely on to shape those beliefs and scrutinise them learn, adapt and carry on learning..
Stretching your indignant collection of soundbites over six posts does little to conceal the gaping holes in your logic. There are a couple of points I am willing to drill into you for as long as it takes for you to realize you're under the spell of argumentum ad ignorantiam; and believe me when I say you will not be spared the rod my boy!
I call you out on the integrity of your 'research' and your evident lack of understanding of what constitutes a logical debate
You state several times that your 'research' stems from mere videos you watch, presumably on the internet, that present data you claim to understand but then admit, as does BLT, that the data speaks more authoritatively than you are equipped to. While I won't argue that you are indeed hook, line and sinker for this type of woo, the more cognizant of us require something more concrete than a video to oust our suspicions. That's something you need to learn to appreciate.
You also rightly admit that all crop circles are not beyond the means of human creation. However, the crux of your contention seemingly centres around a specific 'scientific' criteria laid down by farmers and other eye witnesses,laying out a timescale for completion. Again, I put it to you: why accept only eye witness accounts to confirm your foregone conclusion yet demand legitimate scientific proof to challenge it? It all seems slightly suspicious, wouldn't you agree?
The only point that might have any merit is the 'results sheet', which looks scientifically sound to you but then again, you're no scientist. I won't argue that 'anamolies' can be found in crop circles, but I will debate no end as to who put them there, why they're there and which of them are attributable to natural phenomena e.g. tropism. As I understand it, CC tourism can be a lucrative industry in southern England. That very idea should set alarm bells ringing no?
The Santa analogy I thought was simple enough to show how your reasoning appears to rational people looking in: illogical. If you feel it was not an appropriate fashion in which to present to a discussion, you can always search back for my comment on CERN's responsibility to prove their recent spectacular claim. Hopefully this should give you some understanding of the concept of the fallacy of argument from incredulity and with whom the burden of proof invariably lies.
We both seem to agree that humans are capable of 'creating all fetes like this', ergo, all formations are man-made until proven otherwise yes? Unfortunately, you have not proven anything other than stating your beliefs and failing to back them up with supporting proof. The frauds at the BLT, who make money off this woo, do not adhere to basic scientific protocol (double blind testing), therefore their work does not have to be 'challenged' by scientists or anyone else.
So, in the cold light of day, your whole argument hangs on the fidelity of the statements of farmers in southern England who unsurprisingly also generate income off this crop circle woo. I sure as hell wouldn't gamble the integrity of my logic and rationality on such a precarious longshot . It's not science, it's not enlightenment, it's not open-mindedness and it's not learning. It's backward, stubborn-ass blind faith, and when all's said and done, that's all you have.
@Deu5Vult What a waste of a conversation. Listen proffesor you are indeed someone who spends far to much time driveling nonesence and trying to sound inteligent you have given me .........fuck all again, so who has the falacy in thier research? Yes i get information from the internet....and also books, were do you get your information from, The great juju in the sky? Again showing the ignorance of your own ego. And by your account the farmers are happy to have these in thier fields
@Deu5Vult so they can make tourist money? Well if i was a farmer i think i would be mighty pissed if a field of producing goods for sale was ruined by pranksters flatening my crops, would you not be to? And farmers have repeatedly stated this very obvious fact. So instead of trying to be a well spring of infalable logic try putting enlightenment into practice.
As anticipated, you indignantly resort to calling my argument 'driveling nonesence' and regard it as a waste of conversation. Typical. I have come to know these tactics as the hallmarks of a pretender punching above their weight in a subject they're not as fluent in as they would like others to think. I consistently point out of the numerous logical fallacies in your premise, yet you choose to gloss over them; demanding I cure you of your argument from ignorance.
Let's take this one step at a time, so we're all clear who's trying to avoid the inevitable slap to the forehead in realization. You said that all crop circles can be created by man, this is well documented and the most obvious and likeliest of explantions. You then make an extraordinary and unproven claim and laud it as 'hard scientific fact' based on your incredulity and laughable interpretation of the scientific method. An unmistakable argument from ignorance.
It's not a responsibility of mine or science to prove your crackpot claim wrong anymore than it is to deny the existence of pink, invisible unicorns in your garden. Your own argument contradicts itself quite eloquently, based mostly on its whimsical logic.
Again I will request that you kindly aquaint yourself with the legal and scientific concept of 'burden of proof' and subsequently marvel at your own arrogance in having presumed the benefit of assumption on yourself.
Yes, some farmers are quite happy to have CCs on their land, as illustrated by the story of Tim Carson, a passage in the book Crop Circles: Signs of Contact and as shown on the website of the Wiltshire Crop Circle Study Group (a grass roots group who are better qualified to address the subject than you or I) under 'visiting crop circles', to cite but a few sources. This information has never been a secret, although despite your research, it's evidently news to you.
You seem to be employing all the right cliches about learning and enlightenment but over the discourse it's become apparent you have little idea of their value in all actuality. Here I am, tearing apart your ideas and methods you have come to rely upon, and you respond by sticking your fingers in your ears and accusing me of feigning intelligence. I presume you've not been challenged in this manner before, so I present to you an chance to practise what you preach.
I don't claim to be a professor; self-bestowed psuedo-honorific titles are more the trait of the BLT. Levengood in particular. I communicate in a fashion that's comfortable and one that I feel best articulates my thoughts. Simple argument ad hominems will do little to deter me from contradicting you, however, if you'd rather mock my style than debate I will gladly tear enough strips off you until you're small enough to crawl back into the safety of your father's nutsack.
@Deu5Vult Look mate you haven't ripped apart anything okay. I have seen evidence that has made me believe that this phenomena is more than just humans haveing a laugh. All of the scientific evidence that has been put across for you by me and others has been rejected on your part because "it doesn't fit with your logic". You have given no evidence to the contrary through this whole sharade which is what i originaly asked of you..and you still haven't got that through your head.
@Deu5Vult So here's the way things stand IN A FACTUAL SENCE. There is scientific evidence for this. wether you believe in the methods of obtaining these results or not is irelivent because neither you or i can fully validate it because we are not scientists. You have shown no evidence to the contrary not one bit so in light of these facts, yes all you've done is drivle shit, and if that has offended you?? If i ask for a sausage andwitch thas what i expect, not a theory on how it tastes
Geez, I was going to let this one slide but it's obvious you need a lesson in rationality. How the hell can you claim something ss 'factual science' when you admit you're not qualified to even understand the protocol in obtaining and presenting data? You just don't make any sense by any stretch of the definition! I don't have to be a scientist to know that BLT do not follow scientific protocol and their research is not science by default! Why can't you grasp this?
It's no secret that the BLT, where the bulk of these 'samples' invariably end up for analysis, have and continually refuse samples from unknown origin as they know, as the rest of the civilised world does, it will expose their 'scientific' methods to be unable to differentiate between man-made and 'authentic' CCs. Does that not strike you as the tiniest bit suspicious? Do you have an alternative explanation? Jesus dude, it's time to let go of the balloon...
@Deu5Vult Lets end this balls shall we? "burden of proof" in the legal sence AS you have stated. scientist for the prosecution, do you have evidence that convicts this man of muder? "yes your honour, here are my findings". scientist for the defendant do you have your evidence for your case? "ehh well your homour, i do believe that the methods used to gain the prosecutions evidence is false" do you have evidence to to this claim? "ehhh well no, because i haven't bothered my arse to do
@Deu5Vult the same test because well, i think its nonesence anyway. Judge" defendent is found guilty of murder". Now was that simple enough for you? Levengood is a profesor of biophysics a mathmatistion has degrees in physics, a carrer spanning 40yrs and a 4 year study of similar phenomena before and during the test on this subject, and you claim he is not a "scientist"? He is a member of the national institute for the advancment of science, and you say hes not a "scientist"? are you
@Deu5Vult a biophysisist? are you a scientist? I know im not.yet you band the words about as if you are. His work was peer reviewed before it was released, now regardless of how other scientist felt about that work it was peer reviewed, and it would have been up to other scientists to debunk, and there have been none to my knowledge.And you say "burden of proof"? And all i gave you was word of mouth about 2 40ton cranes? Did you research it? i don't think you did. You have done what
@Deu5Vult you have done throughout this farse, base your assumption on your "logic". So heres what to do, pull your head out of your arse, walk outside, take a deep breath come back in and come to the realisation that you have acted like a twat and not so much the logical vulcan you have so many times claimed to be. You have lost this debate on the topic on evidence, which you still haven't provided. You have lost the debate on this topic on your logic, evident through our ramble.
@Deu5Vult No one should be pious in thier atainment of facts and knowledge and noone should be scared about being wrong, im definately not and if gain knowledge and facts that this is a hoax then i will accept that, learn from it and move on. You have provided no proof what so ever on this subject just the presumptions and sayings of others, there is a cracking video on my page about truth, try enlightening yourself for a change. This converstation is over.
You really should have enjoyed New Year's day with your family rather than further illustrating your complete ineptidue in presenting anything logical to this 'debate'. I couldn't have asked for a better example of your inability to even correctly peruse the irrefutable points I have called you out on, and consequently you have carved your epitaph with your own tongue.
Allow me to demonstrate where you went wrong with it all:
Firstly, your little courtroom scenario (which is also known as a strawman argument; you really are determined to run the gamut of logical fallacies here aren't you?) relies on your 'evidence' being presented by scientific method and to have proved a crop formation to have been created by some other entity than a human. You have failed to do this. Once again, lack of double blind testing creates the issue of researcher bias, and is all too absent in the very data-
presented by the BLT that you claim to have interpreted as being 'scientifically sound'. For further reading, see Colin Andrew's address to the BLT on this subject. Note that he has worked alongside Levengood before the BLT were formed, and is in a better to position to speak to Levengood's methods than anyone. Contend it until you're blue in the face, but you will always be brought down to earth with a bump concerning your lack of knowledge of the scientific method.
I didn't say that two 40 ton cranes weren't used in making the crop formation in New Zealand. Please don't try to put words in my mouth; it's lame and shows you're scraping the bottom the barrel for a reply. I implied it was irrelevant, as circle makers have methods for working in the dark (which incidentally your eyes become accustomed to after about 20 minutes) which include night-vision apparatus and illuminous markers. So yes, you still carry the burden of proof.
I really don't know if I should take you seriously on this next point, regardless, you have dug yourself a hole you're going to find very difficult to climb out of. Your list of Levengood's credentials seems accurate enough. Note however there is no Ph.D listed. I never once contended that he wasn't a scientist, I said he wasn't a DOCTOR, a title he willingly uses. I won't comment on the legality of such a practise, but it is undoubtedly questionable and one must-
consider a man's ethics who follows such a dubious practise. As with everything I have presented to you, it isn't my opinion, it's observable fact. All you have demonstrated here is that you have little skill in reading and absorbing the material I present to you, and it invariably raises concerns over the consistency of your ability in pursuing this subject to an unbiased conclusion. You literally handed me that one. Thank you.
I don't doubt that Levengood's work is peer reviewed, however the process was not without an air of controversy which, as a rational skeptic, invites me to question the validity of it. And I didn't have to watch that 'cracking video' on your page to use that philosophy. I gave you a perfect example of Levengood and Talbot being debunked with their misleading maximum 10% node lengthening crap, yet as always, you choose to put your fingers in your ears and ignore it.
One must also consider how detached from the professional scientific mainstream must one be to use the title of doctor when you clearly are not? Why aren't you questioning this? Would you find it acceptable in a medical or lecturing context to be treated or taught by someone who uses a false title? I know for a fact you wouldn't find employment in my discipline with that kind of forgery, and it could quite possibly land you in trouble with the law. That's not my opinion.
I won't deny you're eager to see the back of this 'debate' ; it must be tiring standing back up each time you're smacked down. You have undeniably attempted to put words in my mouth, deny all existence of your logical fallacies, label actual fact as nonsense and then have the audacity to accuse me of 'acting like a twat'. If there ever was necessity for a circular saccade emoticon on Youtube comments, then that moment has truly come to pass.
In any case, and as you should know, Levengood's and Hasslehoff's peer reviewed papers do not take into account formations as shown in the video above, i.e. formations containing complex patterns and square etc, as their hypothesis and research only extends to circular formations.
You need proof? Read thier peer reviewed papers.
Now where is that 'hard scientific fact' that backs you up on this?
It also appears you're at odds with the very proponents who advocate the plasma vortex/ET theory. Google "The Alien at Crabwood Farm House, by Eltjo H. Haselhoff." and try to comprehend that even your 'scientists' are not with you on this one.
@Deu5Vult Levengood is still studying crop circle phenomena and blt are still douing thier work. Colin Andrews is an engineer that worked with levengood thats correct yes.....but in his statement about thier work i think you'll find he said something a bit different from what you've made out. "i don't have a problem with the way blt have conducted thier "science" it is the input that they base it on" You say science he say's input? strange that. Also strange that colin andrews was,
@Deu5Vult was responcible for the way the went about thuer procedures because of his profession yet he had problem with the way things were being implamented? And waited until the paer was ridiculed? Another former member of the blt team shelly keel claimed that her, andrews and other members "set up" blind tests im the expriment because they were concerned about they results levengood was comeing to yet says that she hardly ever got reports of thier work and coincedently had none on
@Deu5Vult her at the time she was interviewed, strange? Now besides the fact you claimed that there no blind tests in that experiment is a bit dubious yes? And is also not the fact that they were messing with the tests in the first place? would it not be better to descuss the situation? And etjo h hasselhoffs work was not linked (by him atleast)to levengoods work he only stated in his paper that he was on to something with his work. Now both these test have been peer reviewed and that
@Deu5Vult which means there science has been accepted and confirmed by others, and again the fact you do not get is that it is regardless of what other scientists think of the subject or the science. None of these tests have ever been replicated. Dr simien hien tested seed germination from crop samples in 2009 but the test were as he put it "exploritory science" and not the same tests as what was performed by the blt for that paper.And francesco grast has conducted no such test to
@Deu5Vult debunk either lovengood or hasselhoff what he did was scrutinize thier method.which is what i said to you in the first place So ergo, there were no tests and no evidence or any scientific evidence against thier findings. And as for the human element. John linberg of the team satan was interviewed by freddy silvia were he mentions he was offered a bid from a collector to buy one of his "crop circles" and replies " the crops should remain authorless"? yes? Rod dickinson again
@Deu5Vult of team satan in an interview with michal linderman on oct 27 1996 stated that the julia set at stonhenge was made the the night before preveous day that the pilot claimed he saw the circle and that it was started at around 2:45 and a team of three people but his team were never seen. He claims that he is responsible for atleast a dozen from 1991 (crop circles were subhect to testing from 1986) he even has a website circle makers that had at one point the supposed scematic
@Deu5Vult for the triple julia yet it was removed after it was descovered that by its own logistcs it would have taken much longer than he made out to create each circle. And the sight was also analyzed by a survey team who came to the conclusion that it would have taken five days just to mark the spot alone. He gained deals with sky, the bbc, mitsubishi and created logos for them, and was specifically asked on two ocasions to created complex crop circles to fool researchers..The
@Deu5Vult first atempt was 1998 when the bbc asked him make a design in wiltshire and in the dark to see if they got caught, they did, within half an hour. the second atempt was in 1999 he was hired to create a 3d neckers gube, 33 cicles inside a triangle that was when, super imposed and the maths and logistics was not colse to being accurate unlike the mandelbolt set. So these circle makers can create some of the most amazing pieces of art in the dark in under 1hr in some cases and
@Deu5Vult make them near perfect, yet cannot when asked to by thier sponsors? Ever time a human has been asked to complete a crop circle it has been revealed in the most basic ways, and again the eye whitnesess the people you disscount. so another round up says that again. you have presented no evidence based on scientific study and proof against levengood or hasselhoffs papers or findings only attack on there methods or theories. There is no evidence that the proven crop circles were
@Deu5Vult made by man, the evidence says otherwise. so again you have nothing tangable with which to put forward. If you believe this is horse shit and that the information you have studied on this is right, i couldn't give a toss but again this has been settled on the facts.
@Deu5Vult When we descuss this topis you have to remember that we are; if we are talking about other lifeforms or phenomena causing them, descussing it with the understanding that if there is controled advanced technology behind this then we, as a species are dealing with a science beyond us. Yes scientific methods should be controled but as demonstrated from this entire conversation is rarely achieved.Almost every peer review paper will have it's opponents regardless of topic, but
@Deu5Vult without the scientifical evidence gained from tests that they demand themselfs thier opposition is only practice and method slander.These people Hasselhoff and Levengood have had thier science authenticated, the thing that devides the scientific community is as always the topic of study and method, which as you should know is not what science is about, and at the end of the day our science is infalible because it reflects our understanding of the universe, we will grow with
@Deu5Vult understanding and what we know about the science of the universe will never truly be wrong, it will always only be a part of the science of the universe.Einstien wasn't wrong about relativity, he was just right for his time and our understanding of the time about the mechanics of the universe. "truth it's an adventure, not an axiom, a story still unfolding not a tale already told the journey is what counts not the destination, right"..
"the thing that devides the scientific community is as always the topic of study and method, which as you should know is not what science is about"
Wrong again, that's exactly what science is about! Is this another choice excerpt from nihilityjoey's Big Book of Scientific Misunderstanding or are you deliberately making things up again? You can't even leave when you say you're going to; how are we supposed to trust anything that comes out of your mouth?!
You're clinging to your delusions like a spoilt child clings to its toys, and repeating yourself like a lobotomized parrot! I did promise however to drill some sense into you and that's exactly what I'm going to do; no matter how long it takes
Now we've established you don't even know what science is, it's hardly surprising that any contradiction offered by me is largely ignored, as you have now proven that you don't understand how to interpret it in the first place.
You couldn't even discern between a doctor and a scientist before this debate. I notice you've chosen not to address this? No big deal. The main thing is I've set you on the right track for your future verbal tennis matches - where your adamant ignorance and gross misunderstanding of science may actually score you some points against someone who is also clueless of what they're talking about.
I doubt your rosy philosophy appendage is going to cut it with anyone though.
You need to let go of the eye witness 'evidence'. Just let it go man. Admit you are wrong and direct your energy to another part of your argument . Anyone here who offers anything more than +1 to collective brain cell count when they log into Youtube can understand the unreliability of eye witness evidence. Read up on it; start with the conviction of Kirk Bloodsworth in 1984 to mention but one of a multitude of similar stories. Your criteria has no scientific backing.
If eye witness accounts are so important to you, why view the testimony of Shelly Keel as suspicious? Is this your admittance that your argument relies mostly on a 'pick and choose' method to arrive at your foregone conclusion? Not that we need you to admit to it to see it anyway. Keel's testimony is of little consequence; Levengood published his conclusions of the blind test and authentic circle and found both to contain the anomilies you claim are only-
found in genuine circles. Interestingly, this issue has yet to be addressed by Nancy Talbott and proves exactly why they don't follow scientific protocol. Notice Andrew's actual words were "its not the BLT science SO MUCH I would question here but the very materials they are testing". This seems to differ largely from your interpretation which seems to have been twisted semantically to infer error on my part. As I said, your tactics of putting words in my mouth will-
always be picked up on and show you to be the underhand participant here. When denying blind samples to prove your hypothesis wrong, your science (I used it correctly as an umbrella term to encompass the scientific method) will always come under attack and shown to be biased and subsequently unworkable in proving what it's meant to. Grassi and Andrews have proven the BLT method seeks to mold the evidence to fit the conclusion. Get over it, learn from it and move on.
I'm not sure what you find so extraterrestial (or what ever you have proven to form crop circles) about the effect of elctromagnetic energy on plant life. This phenomena can be observed every day courtesy of a big BOL known as the sun. In that respect, I have little objection to the cite-read papers by Levengood and Hasselhoff-
It's what the two authors, and the fervent misguided believers, try to insinuate causes CCs. And yes, Grassi has proven Levengood's 10% node lengthening results to be wrong. I will accept that my original statement that Grassi conducted the experiment was wrong and indicative of a man typing faster than the brain was thinking, but notice that the experiment data Grassi worked from was provided by no other than Hasslehoff! Despite your insistence that Levengood's-
methods are 'scientifically sound', I have pointed out two reasons why they are not and I will continue to cast up these reasons up for as long as it takes for you to come to terms with them. For whatever unexplainable reason you seek to disassociate Levengood and Hasslehoff, they are both inextricably linked through the topic and nature of their research. Hasslehoff however seems to be the brighter of the two. I'm waiting for your response to Hasslehoff's insistence-
that the alien face at Crabwood is man-made, yet you, even with your blatant lack of understanding of the scientific method, demand I show you evidence though you have clearly demonstrated you are not capable of deducing truth from anything of higher noetic value than a video or an eye witness account that fits your theory. Time to own it dude, admit you could be asking a hell of a lot more questions and then you can let it go..
@Deu5Vult I am eager to end this debate right now because i think were both tired yes? So before i begin i would like to quote yourself."I hope everyone here has a handle on the integraty of thier logic". So FACTS. Hasselhoff never said in his paper that crabwood farm was a hoax-nowere. He did write a passage which in no part has any scientific conclution to it, he never tested crabwood farm this was a conclusion based on his "gut feeling" not study. so you have lied or got ahead of
@Deu5Vult yourself. You claim the tesimony of farmers who recieve tourist money is suspect? FACT. crop circle appears in farmers field in england 15 july when a farmer shoots over the head of crop circle tourists heads, a statement from the N.F.U spokesmen ian johnson" theres no coulbting that circles cause agrvation and incredible cost to farmers" that one cost the farmer over £100,000 in damage. So your conclution based on logic makes a load of sence. Next Grassi took Hasselhoffs
@Deu5Vult paper and "went over it" FACT no testing no results. Colin Andrews stated that blind testing was the cause of his dispute among other things yes? Yet says this "It does not always necesitate results to proove the scientist is heading in the wrong direction". And this is better in the interview he claimed that nacy talbot had made her own circle and was talking samples to be tested and the couple of times she did this she had recorded herself? Yet states he recorded this and
@Deu5Vult with the help of nacy and volenteers? But in his letter to her he makes no mention of a video only evidence of 2 blind test he and her employees carry out, but no mention of her? Hold on though she according him filmed only 2 test procedures so she would have had the videos anyway? yet there is no video? And he's also so worried about the way the test are being conducted he hires......volenteers, not scientists to verify what he is douing? odd yes? And dr simeon hien when in
@Deu5Vult stateing his responce to nacy talbots letter said that the germination tests they were carrying out on crop circle seeds in 2009 were not the same tests as blts but exploritory tests yet he is condeming her letter about thier results? again odd yes? So in the entirety of his debate you have no evidence to give you have only as you put it to "seeker of truth" give him food for thought nothing more. So you have now been demoted to a twat dressed in frilly pants and what i would
@Deu5Vult say to you is this, why dosn't pants with frilly nickers go all the way to before this woderfull adventure of ours began and hook up with "bigblackcok" so that twat with nickers and bigblackcock can linguistically please each other over the "burden of proof "about...........santa. cheers.
Everytime I wonder how you can possibly out do yourself in the pursuit of looking like an ass, and again you astound me with your latest response which has got to be the best paradigm of fuckwittery I have witnessed in a long, long time! You are literally foaming at the mouth with frustration, and your train wreck of an argument is far from over; I'm just getting started exposing you as the utter numb nuts you really are!
"now to use the example of tesla being a critic of einstien while he himself had no lack of really makes..no kind of sence, yes?"
Correct, you can't even make sense even when you try! What in the name of all that is holy are you trying to say here? It's not up to me to use my decoder ring to crack what the hell you're speaking about! You are without a doubt the most abstract moron I have ever had the pleasure of ripping in to!
To think you have the nerve to attack my style when you yourself would evidently benefit from having a dictionary open next to you. Do yourself a favour and calm down. Think about what you want to say and how you want to word it. I give you that courtesy, at least give Youtube and I the same courtesy back so we can tell when you're speaking and when you're cockslapping your keyboard in anger!
It doesn't take an 'over-sized grey ball' to read, understand and reply! Where for example did you get the notion that I implied Hasslehoff's analysis of the alien face at Crabwood and his peer reviewed paper on BOLs are one and the same document? That's right, I didn't! This is another example of your cretinous fabricating of myths to try and score at least one point in this debate. Unfortunatley for you, the discourse is forever etched in Youtube's comments-
section for all to witness what a complete and utter prick you are! Shame on you. You're what, 30 something years old? And you've barely stretched your intellect a nanosecond past the of era of irrational teenage angst! You are a prime specimen of why pregnant women should not smoke crack. Are you really so dumb you think I won't notice when you indulge in a little creational fact presenting? You are way in over your head..
So the accusation stands, your advocate for ET/BOL/Santa, whatever the hell you want it to be, Hasslehoff has declared the alien face at Crabwood to be a hoax yet you demand video evidence to counter a scientific analysis that has not been carried out at the formation. Can you now see why no one believes you have the slightest clue what you're talking about and why yours is an argument from ignorance?
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pinealgland01 9 hours ago
They're not circles...
RattlingCockroach 1 day ago
For those who believe in religion, I want to end this once and for all spread this around as well, God does not exist, but what does exist is Good, so if you believe in 'God' then you believe in good! and evil is Satan! so there's only good and evil, Jesus is Yahweh. And these beings trying to help us into the higher conscious are the angels! So decide whether you want to be with them! or with the evil parasites that rule this planet and haven't told us of this! The choice is yours.
Creativekidd11 1 day ago
Proof! that the CIA RMS zygnomic control is feeding goat's L.S.D. please Don't eat the geranium's.
sosososo11113 1 day ago
It is a conspiracy to promote fear in order to bring about a one world government! Strong delusion that they should believe a lie, who received not the love if the truth. You'll reject the Lord Jesus Christ but accept a false christ! REPENT and believe the Gospel!!! Jesus is coming soon! The illuminati will use such as this to deceive millions!
cvlngnrr 5 days ago
@cvlngnrr lol god and jesus are made up all u have to prove god is real is a old dusty book with no author at least the et ancient alien theory have more proof then this magical being in a toga i wipe my ass with the bible lol
aztek91352 4 days ago
Crop circles??? Ha aaaaa!!!! If it's real then why aren't there forest circles? I want to see it done with trees in a night!!!
cvlngnrr 5 days ago
@cvlngnrr it's amazing how aliens have to do crop circles in a forest to convince you but religion has convinced you and yet there is no evidence of god's "magic." you're just the person they've been looking for, another hateful sheep.
sean6932 4 days ago
@cvlngnrr - If there was a Jesus, I wonder if he condescendingly mocked people as is so common these days. Crop circles have nothing to do with Jesus anyway, but with the economy as it is, it's doubtful people are doing this in their spare time for nothing. Even if the economy was booming, it'd still be unlikely, and besides, I don't think humans can make anywhere near the quality of crop circles as whoever, or whatever, is making these.
DrKenHildebrandt 2 days ago
There are Billion of galaxies in the univers .The chance that we are alone on univers is ZERO .
stephano299 6 days ago
I think it's quite selfish of humans to think that we are the only life in all of these millions and millions of planets. I believe that some crop circles were made by humans, but some are too complex to make within a night. seriously. I also believe that there IS life outside earth.
TheWranglers100 6 days ago
"do you really think this could have been made in one night???" um yes, i do. it's called using geometry to plan it out, for fuck's sake. just go to the circlemakers website and look it up. i don't know why these fake researchers are so deluded to think that human's aren't capable of doing this. do you really think spaceships are out there making such ridiculously cartooned portraits of themselves in wheat fields?
toribjork10 1 week ago
@toribjork10 HAARP
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WhatIsConsciousness 1 week ago
If this is real, well, someone has done a good job at keeping it on the down-low. I think it's a human right to know what is outside, or who is outside our atmosphere. That knowledge isn't government property, it is the property of every living being on this planet.
jdub94ful 1 week ago
@jdub94ful HAARP
DgurlSunshine 5 days ago
Of course aliens exist...
fuhoney 1 week ago
Yeah,our chemistry is based on carbon, and the guy sais their might on silicone, which is possible...
But for the structure of the molecule cropfield look up Trinitramide structure on google.
Also Crystal Violet structure
FromVarvara 1 week ago
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goochon 1 week ago
STUPIT HUMAN!
robulaoshi 1 week ago
I hate to break it to you, but that first thing isn't a circle.
TimesEyez 1 week ago
@TimesEyez hahahahaha! you funny fucker! hahaha
shawzie1916 1 week ago
If anyone is interested this is the most complex nitrogen based molecule of similar structure sythesised to date and guess what? It can potentially be used as a rocket propeller oxidiser...
Maybe they are giving us ideas in what irections to search.
Look up Trinitramide in wikipedia
FromVarvara 1 week ago
@FromVarvara What is the most complex nitrogen based molecule? Please point it out for us who failed chemistry but somehow blazed through biology hehe
shawzie1916 1 week ago
The molecule at the end might be nitrogen based structure. It is theoretically possible for their life to be based on ammonia (NH3) instaed of water?
FromVarvara 2 weeks ago
@FromVarvara we are based on carbon?
shawzie1916 1 week ago
@shawzie1916 no they are
TheBromander 1 week ago
MarinRayado 2 weeks ago
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ururuty 2 weeks ago
An alien with pizza
MrMcClinch 2 weeks ago
@MrMcClinch mr alien is hungry too
MrRomanCZE 2 weeks ago
are yoouu from france:)?
DjTran 2 weeks ago
(://nrich.maths.org/content/id/2281/pyramid4.swf)
maybe this will help
tibisound 2 weeks ago
Aliens are artistic👽
DJGamefreaks 2 weeks ago
The last photo looks like a special formation of some sort of DNA.
djmonty9000 2 weeks ago
animals peace of shit the way there sytem is brain wash mainkind so u can control it fear is the number one way of making it a reality all i am sayying is look at it this way to think that the world is going to end in 2012 and that msg from aleins is a fact well fuck me u are all deaper then u all think really sit there for a minute and ask ya self this is i am such a wanker and all that about what i said ask ya self s this .if 9.11 was inside job and illuminate had a hand in it even
MrFrosty888 2 weeks ago
happen like the war world going bust becouse of it all u hear about how our lifes are like example like bills petrol prices is all illimunati and there goal to make us live like animals and in fear . there next stage is getting us all used to the fact that aleins and the fact that a attack is possible and so on think about it when u seen 9.11 i was like dam thats fucked up to no its a inside job hurts me to say we trusted them to be our angles but in fact our own turned un us like we was
MrFrosty888 2 weeks ago
lol how does this person no how to read it the msg fuck me dead love the santic illuminate on how they can brain wash people wake up people look its a symbol its telling me the world will end and that the gods and sooo on lol wake up this is the biggest thing k we have just gone to war on oil not terrist what do u think will will fight next ???????????????????? Aleins y u say that fear u put fear in mankind and the end result is what u have now hardship over greed and the wright to let it
MrFrosty888 2 weeks ago
One minute I'm watching The Yogscast, the next minute I'm transported here- the weird side of youtube...
Frenzicator 2 weeks ago
hey he mention my birthday, August tenth :D
TheDillan74 3 weeks ago in playlist Ghost, Demon, Strange, Secrecy, Universe
yea, nobody proved them to be a hoax, and nobody proved them not to be a hoax. Common sense.
eysofastrnjr 3 weeks ago
These people need to stop recieving and start using their common sense. If you dont see and alien clear as day, making crop circles or landing to say hi, its bs.
eysofastrnjr 3 weeks ago
this idiot is long winded
baredd79 3 weeks ago
The powers of photoshop :-D
MissChristianComa 3 weeks ago
Maybe this is to do with all the uprisings around the world
theBritishkid95 3 weeks ago
"Beware of the bearers of false gifts and broken promises
Much pain but there is still time"
Believe
There is still good out there
We oppose the deceivers
Conduit is closing"
I think they warn us to not deal with the smart ass alien in the crop circle. Stay away from the grey
daezone999 3 weeks ago
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People should stop fighting each other and live in peace because we are all humans. No more countries, no more racial and ethnic segregation, no more wars. People should stop hating each other just because they are different. We are just HUMANS, that's it.
Rx4556 3 weeks ago
You'd have to understand how the field was flattened first. By heat or flattened.
Darty105 3 weeks ago
Let's tell THE WHOLE TRUTH.
US congresswoman Cynthia McKinney has come out and blamed the pro-Israel Lobby in America (AIPAC, ADL, ZOA, etc) for ruining her political career. While in congress she refused to sign the pro-Israel pledge and took a pro-Palestinian stance. Because of this, McKinney said “war was declared” on her by the Jewish lobby. In 2009 she told TIU's Ognir that “more than 99% of Congress work for Pro Zionist Israeli interests.”
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LordLindsey12 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Well, if i am to die in 2012, i don't give a shit, i did the best i could up to now, and will keep looking for more information until the day i die.
Zandonus 3 weeks ago
Ya can't just take 3 drunk irishmen and make something of that complexity and geometrical perfection.... This would need 70 eggheads creating the schematics, interpreting them fully, and taking some really good LSD to make that kind of stuff happen. Cheers, Happy new year.
Zandonus 3 weeks ago
wtf that sound like pish
ClumpNation 4 weeks ago
the false promise of democracy and of peaceful new world order government by those who want to take this power by force and through bloodshed? we know who the bearers are adn the people are rising up.
scrabbe1 4 weeks ago
OfficialBAMF must like ufos and aliens a lot.
ghostafterlife 4 weeks ago
like if ure here by official bamf saaaan!?!?!!?
RoLuTV 4 weeks ago
@RoLuTV no
CIickHereForFreeCash 4 weeks ago
@RoLuTV there no like button lol :)
midnightsun067 4 weeks ago
man I wish we could meet our space brothers..
MrSpadeofAce 4 weeks ago
alien pee in snow..morons
acimcat 1 month ago
LOLZ Dont you hate it when retards are arguing over a video and they both think they are right
Oldgermanluger 1 month ago
there is two sorts of aliens, One of them is evil and the other is indifferent to the interests of humans
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bikines 1 month ago
One of, if not the, most important crop circles of all time was the Barbury Castle tetrahedron of 1991, impressive as these ones are that one was the definitive crop formation . Anyone slightly interested in cereology should study that one, its symbology, the night it appeared, the army interest at dawn the next day, what the farmer on the hill saw and heard at 3:30am .
permaveg 1 month ago
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bikines 1 month ago
wow, do you have to be a pretentious idiot to write a comment on here? seems like the worlds quota of scientific experts has amassed on this page alone.
tysonfor1 1 month ago
@tysonfor1
I'm not sure, what's the answer?
Surely your comment proves you don't have to be pretentious at least?
bigbIackcock 1 month ago
@bigbIackcock I just don't know my evocatively named friend. It seems you are only welcome to comment here if you have an open dictionary next to your computer and are stupidly fluent in bullshit.
tysonfor1 1 month ago
@tysonfor1
You talking from experience?
bigbIackcock 1 month ago
@bigbIackcock Your name should be bigblackcunt because that's clearly what you are. Fuck off and stop botherin me you oxygen thief. Take a fuckin razor blade to your wrists before someone takes one to your throat.
tysonfor1 1 month ago
@tysonfor1
Thanks pal, that's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all week.
bigbIackcock 1 month ago
@bigbIackcock Trust me, it was my pleasure.
tysonfor1 1 month ago
@tysonfor1 it appears as though you have a dictionary next to your computer as well. i have not seen anyone with a vocabulary similar to yours in a long time. oh, and do not bother with responding to "trolls" such as "bigblackcock". i know that from experience. it just gets people irritated, when instead they should be enjoying the video they came to see.
Demonlord275 1 month ago
@Demonlord275 good point, well made sir. I will heed your advice.
tysonfor1 1 month ago
@Demonlord275
Naturally the pair of you could have avoided a flaming by taking your own advice and not post dumb, abrasive and trolling comments in the first place, huh champ?
Guess you've never read Darwin huh? Self preserevation ring a bell?
Just some friendly BBC advice for you both to chew over while you're petting each other's balls ;)
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bikines 1 month ago
@noogey89
"hey add me as a friend. maybe sometime i could come over and pet your big black cock, I use to have a chicken coop myself..and maybe we could also debate crop circles and ufos..later babe."
Thanks for the PM noogey89, I just thought I'd share it with the rest of Youtube to show how much it means to me and why kids should wait until they've gone through puberty before being allowed to have opinions.
bigbIackcock 1 month ago
@bigbIackcock I guess you'd rather insult people than debate the topic at hand, whats wrong, all your friends gone to nursery? And onus of proof? Well, it seems you would rather not discuss that topic because; well let me see you have none, or atleast have seen no solid evidence to the contrary. So why don't you go sit in the corner of the classroom for being a fucking tool or learn to play nice.
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
Ahhh, no cheating. You have to do your own homework. I'm well aware of the scientific conclusions concerning many of the circles analyzed. I was open minded enough to do the research without a personal belief bias. I thought I knew it all too... I came to learn that I didn't! I state categorically and with certainty that not all crop circles are man made. Some are; some are not. If you expend your energy doing homework instead of believing you have all the answers, you may learn something new.
eagle1023 1 month ago
@eagle1023
No cheating? So what do you call pulling 'facts' out of your ass about renowned world scientists? I'm aware of many 'big names' in the crop circle movement but I don't recognise any as being 'world renowned' in the science community. Elaborate or admit you're pushing off a diminutive base of knowledge. Everytime you're called out you shoot off on a cryptic tangent and spout the much anticipated claptrap about open-mindedness- which is fast becoming a synonym for blindfaith
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
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@eagle1023
Let's give this one more try; I know there's a brain in there somewhere...
If you can 'state categorically and with certainty that all crop circles are not man made' then you either have some pretty damning evidence that doesn't stem from the charlatans at BLT, or, you're an impressionable and gullible conspiracy fanboy who laps up all the woo he can to nurture his hungry agenda.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
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@eagle1023
So what's it going to be? Can you prove you're capable of delivering an cited, articulate answer that doesn't rely on words and statements such as 'do your research' and 'open your mind' or would you prefer to dismiss my rebuttal as the work of a shill/disinfo agent or trolling and carry on with your fingers in your ears?
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult I would like to see the evidence of someone creating a crop "picture" or circle in the time it takes for some of these advanced ones to be created? and in the dark? And i would like to hear the testimony of people whitnesing others making these.You are forgeting the people that give the testimony of these events, are they liars? All of them? The "amature" team that created the firefos logo had a team, a plane, a pre-planed timetable and it took a full day begining at dawn?.
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
Yeh, I guess you'd like to see a video of your parents buying your Justin Bieber alarm clock while he's at it, just to prove Santa didn't do it right?
Seriously dude, does onus of proof mean anything to you?
bigbIackcock 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult I want to see a video of the team making the alien face and code wheel. You talk about facts but pesented nothing. Give me links, facts based on hard scientific evidence and all the proof i could need to convince me that this is these are all entierly the work of man?
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
Before we begin I just want to make sure everyone has a handle on the integrity of your logic.You say you require 'hard scientific evidence' for your beliefs to be challenged yet you'll willingly accept second-hand eye witness testimonies found on the internet to confirm them, correct? Also, you imply you follow the scientific method when presenting evidence yet you sidestep the issue of burden of proof when making your extraordinary claims, am I correct?
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
It seems the punch line is that in light of these double standards, which are all too common among those who consider themselves enlightened and awakened, you consequently invite ridicule from those who recognise your inadequecy in polemics, and still, you're evidently proud of the fact that you have invariably inhibited a sensible debate on the subject.
Your eyes might be open, but you're only seeing what you want to see.
That's cool though, we've all been there..
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
It's safe to assume that a hoaxer would rarely film their work, where would the mystique be in revealing the truth to the gullible masses? However this does not mean that the lack of video evidence automatically presumes the Crabwood Farm formation was of non-human origin. The only thing that does point to it being of non-human origin, is the tripe you fill your head with on the internet.
That said, I'm now willing to entertain any real points you have to make.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult Integrity of logic. Firstly i asked if you can show me links or videos showing the most "major" crop circles being hoax''''s and you've given me!........fuck all. Listen bud, your analogy of "my eyes being open" and my piousness in my inhibitid view of such topics is a bit of pot calling the kettle black situation. In your descusions with everyone all you've done is give examples of why the Scientific proof that truthseeker has pointed out to you makes no sence to you or your
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult your logic. And double standards? Like i have previously stated i had payed no creadence to this phenomena until i watched a video and "with my own eyes" saw evidence that convinced me that this is no ordinary phenomena. I saw the physical affect on the someones hand as they moved it closer and further from the "bent" corn, and by physical i mean blemishes appearing and disapearing. Cameras concking out once inside the circles (pictures). Now im not daft enough to believe
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult that humans are not capable of achieveing feats like this and i do mean any of them, but not in the situations and time frames alot of the intricate ones have completed.....not a chance. And as for these investigators not haveing sound scientifical methods or being actual scientist? Do you need to be a scientist to have something analised from another scientist? And when you mean sound scientific methods i assume you mean accepted methods for acheiveing result? Because from
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult the test i watched them preform or the result sheets from those test that they provided they look scientificaly sound to me (im not a scientist though are you)? But im not gouing to go over past ground. Yet were is the study of sound scientists debunking these claims from other scientists? There's always a scientist out there willing to defend the honour of science right? And last are all the whitnesses lying? all a fantacy in thier heads? Unlike fucknuts who compared the
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult likeness of needing evidence of this phenomena to the existence of santa clause? I might be right in saying that you are not...well a cock, and can see that when you are talking about evidence there will always be the doulbters who do not agree on the method of investigation to to get the proofs. I believe that there is somthing to this beneath the as-usual layers of bullshit that cover this topic, and i do so because i have seen adequate proof if you disagree show
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult me the proofs to counter these claims and i will pour over them with same indifference and eye for what you call logic as i have done with what i have already researched. And weve all been there and back and back and back. Enlightenment is when you have the ability to tare apart your beliefs and the methods you have come to rely on to shape those beliefs and scrutinise them learn, adapt and carry on learning..
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
Stretching your indignant collection of soundbites over six posts does little to conceal the gaping holes in your logic. There are a couple of points I am willing to drill into you for as long as it takes for you to realize you're under the spell of argumentum ad ignorantiam; and believe me when I say you will not be spared the rod my boy!
I call you out on the integrity of your 'research' and your evident lack of understanding of what constitutes a logical debate
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
You state several times that your 'research' stems from mere videos you watch, presumably on the internet, that present data you claim to understand but then admit, as does BLT, that the data speaks more authoritatively than you are equipped to. While I won't argue that you are indeed hook, line and sinker for this type of woo, the more cognizant of us require something more concrete than a video to oust our suspicions. That's something you need to learn to appreciate.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
You also rightly admit that all crop circles are not beyond the means of human creation. However, the crux of your contention seemingly centres around a specific 'scientific' criteria laid down by farmers and other eye witnesses,laying out a timescale for completion. Again, I put it to you: why accept only eye witness accounts to confirm your foregone conclusion yet demand legitimate scientific proof to challenge it? It all seems slightly suspicious, wouldn't you agree?
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
The only point that might have any merit is the 'results sheet', which looks scientifically sound to you but then again, you're no scientist. I won't argue that 'anamolies' can be found in crop circles, but I will debate no end as to who put them there, why they're there and which of them are attributable to natural phenomena e.g. tropism. As I understand it, CC tourism can be a lucrative industry in southern England. That very idea should set alarm bells ringing no?
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
The Santa analogy I thought was simple enough to show how your reasoning appears to rational people looking in: illogical. If you feel it was not an appropriate fashion in which to present to a discussion, you can always search back for my comment on CERN's responsibility to prove their recent spectacular claim. Hopefully this should give you some understanding of the concept of the fallacy of argument from incredulity and with whom the burden of proof invariably lies.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
We both seem to agree that humans are capable of 'creating all fetes like this', ergo, all formations are man-made until proven otherwise yes? Unfortunately, you have not proven anything other than stating your beliefs and failing to back them up with supporting proof. The frauds at the BLT, who make money off this woo, do not adhere to basic scientific protocol (double blind testing), therefore their work does not have to be 'challenged' by scientists or anyone else.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
So, in the cold light of day, your whole argument hangs on the fidelity of the statements of farmers in southern England who unsurprisingly also generate income off this crop circle woo. I sure as hell wouldn't gamble the integrity of my logic and rationality on such a precarious longshot . It's not science, it's not enlightenment, it's not open-mindedness and it's not learning. It's backward, stubborn-ass blind faith, and when all's said and done, that's all you have.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
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bikines 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult What a waste of a conversation. Listen proffesor you are indeed someone who spends far to much time driveling nonesence and trying to sound inteligent you have given me .........fuck all again, so who has the falacy in thier research? Yes i get information from the internet....and also books, were do you get your information from, The great juju in the sky? Again showing the ignorance of your own ego. And by your account the farmers are happy to have these in thier fields
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult so they can make tourist money? Well if i was a farmer i think i would be mighty pissed if a field of producing goods for sale was ruined by pranksters flatening my crops, would you not be to? And farmers have repeatedly stated this very obvious fact. So instead of trying to be a well spring of infalable logic try putting enlightenment into practice.
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
As anticipated, you indignantly resort to calling my argument 'driveling nonesence' and regard it as a waste of conversation. Typical. I have come to know these tactics as the hallmarks of a pretender punching above their weight in a subject they're not as fluent in as they would like others to think. I consistently point out of the numerous logical fallacies in your premise, yet you choose to gloss over them; demanding I cure you of your argument from ignorance.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
Let's take this one step at a time, so we're all clear who's trying to avoid the inevitable slap to the forehead in realization. You said that all crop circles can be created by man, this is well documented and the most obvious and likeliest of explantions. You then make an extraordinary and unproven claim and laud it as 'hard scientific fact' based on your incredulity and laughable interpretation of the scientific method. An unmistakable argument from ignorance.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
It's not a responsibility of mine or science to prove your crackpot claim wrong anymore than it is to deny the existence of pink, invisible unicorns in your garden. Your own argument contradicts itself quite eloquently, based mostly on its whimsical logic.
Again I will request that you kindly aquaint yourself with the legal and scientific concept of 'burden of proof' and subsequently marvel at your own arrogance in having presumed the benefit of assumption on yourself.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
Yes, some farmers are quite happy to have CCs on their land, as illustrated by the story of Tim Carson, a passage in the book Crop Circles: Signs of Contact and as shown on the website of the Wiltshire Crop Circle Study Group (a grass roots group who are better qualified to address the subject than you or I) under 'visiting crop circles', to cite but a few sources. This information has never been a secret, although despite your research, it's evidently news to you.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
You seem to be employing all the right cliches about learning and enlightenment but over the discourse it's become apparent you have little idea of their value in all actuality. Here I am, tearing apart your ideas and methods you have come to rely upon, and you respond by sticking your fingers in your ears and accusing me of feigning intelligence. I presume you've not been challenged in this manner before, so I present to you an chance to practise what you preach.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
I don't claim to be a professor; self-bestowed psuedo-honorific titles are more the trait of the BLT. Levengood in particular. I communicate in a fashion that's comfortable and one that I feel best articulates my thoughts. Simple argument ad hominems will do little to deter me from contradicting you, however, if you'd rather mock my style than debate I will gladly tear enough strips off you until you're small enough to crawl back into the safety of your father's nutsack.
Deu5Vult 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult Look mate you haven't ripped apart anything okay. I have seen evidence that has made me believe that this phenomena is more than just humans haveing a laugh. All of the scientific evidence that has been put across for you by me and others has been rejected on your part because "it doesn't fit with your logic". You have given no evidence to the contrary through this whole sharade which is what i originaly asked of you..and you still haven't got that through your head.
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@Deu5Vult So here's the way things stand IN A FACTUAL SENCE. There is scientific evidence for this. wether you believe in the methods of obtaining these results or not is irelivent because neither you or i can fully validate it because we are not scientists. You have shown no evidence to the contrary not one bit so in light of these facts, yes all you've done is drivle shit, and if that has offended you?? If i ask for a sausage andwitch thas what i expect, not a theory on how it tastes
nihilityjoey 1 month ago
@nihilityjoey
Geez, I was going to let this one slide but it's obvious you need a lesson in rationality. How the hell can you claim something ss 'factual science' when you admit you're not qualified to even understand the protocol in obtaining and presenting data? You just don't make any sense by any stretch of the definition! I don't have to be a scientist to know that BLT do not follow scientific protocol and their research is not science by default! Why can't you grasp this?
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult
It's no secret that the BLT, where the bulk of these 'samples' invariably end up for analysis, have and continually refuse samples from unknown origin as they know, as the rest of the civilised world does, it will expose their 'scientific' methods to be unable to differentiate between man-made and 'authentic' CCs. Does that not strike you as the tiniest bit suspicious? Do you have an alternative explanation? Jesus dude, it's time to let go of the balloon...
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult Lets end this balls shall we? "burden of proof" in the legal sence AS you have stated. scientist for the prosecution, do you have evidence that convicts this man of muder? "yes your honour, here are my findings". scientist for the defendant do you have your evidence for your case? "ehh well your homour, i do believe that the methods used to gain the prosecutions evidence is false" do you have evidence to to this claim? "ehhh well no, because i haven't bothered my arse to do
nihilityjoey 4 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult the same test because well, i think its nonesence anyway. Judge" defendent is found guilty of murder". Now was that simple enough for you? Levengood is a profesor of biophysics a mathmatistion has degrees in physics, a carrer spanning 40yrs and a 4 year study of similar phenomena before and during the test on this subject, and you claim he is not a "scientist"? He is a member of the national institute for the advancment of science, and you say hes not a "scientist"? are you
nihilityjoey 4 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult a biophysisist? are you a scientist? I know im not.yet you band the words about as if you are. His work was peer reviewed before it was released, now regardless of how other scientist felt about that work it was peer reviewed, and it would have been up to other scientists to debunk, and there have been none to my knowledge.And you say "burden of proof"? And all i gave you was word of mouth about 2 40ton cranes? Did you research it? i don't think you did. You have done what
nihilityjoey 4 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult you have done throughout this farse, base your assumption on your "logic". So heres what to do, pull your head out of your arse, walk outside, take a deep breath come back in and come to the realisation that you have acted like a twat and not so much the logical vulcan you have so many times claimed to be. You have lost this debate on the topic on evidence, which you still haven't provided. You have lost the debate on this topic on your logic, evident through our ramble.
nihilityjoey 4 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult No one should be pious in thier atainment of facts and knowledge and noone should be scared about being wrong, im definately not and if gain knowledge and facts that this is a hoax then i will accept that, learn from it and move on. You have provided no proof what so ever on this subject just the presumptions and sayings of others, there is a cracking video on my page about truth, try enlightening yourself for a change. This converstation is over.
nihilityjoey 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
You really should have enjoyed New Year's day with your family rather than further illustrating your complete ineptidue in presenting anything logical to this 'debate'. I couldn't have asked for a better example of your inability to even correctly peruse the irrefutable points I have called you out on, and consequently you have carved your epitaph with your own tongue.
Allow me to demonstrate where you went wrong with it all:
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
Firstly, your little courtroom scenario (which is also known as a strawman argument; you really are determined to run the gamut of logical fallacies here aren't you?) relies on your 'evidence' being presented by scientific method and to have proved a crop formation to have been created by some other entity than a human. You have failed to do this. Once again, lack of double blind testing creates the issue of researcher bias, and is all too absent in the very data-
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
presented by the BLT that you claim to have interpreted as being 'scientifically sound'. For further reading, see Colin Andrew's address to the BLT on this subject. Note that he has worked alongside Levengood before the BLT were formed, and is in a better to position to speak to Levengood's methods than anyone. Contend it until you're blue in the face, but you will always be brought down to earth with a bump concerning your lack of knowledge of the scientific method.
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
I didn't say that two 40 ton cranes weren't used in making the crop formation in New Zealand. Please don't try to put words in my mouth; it's lame and shows you're scraping the bottom the barrel for a reply. I implied it was irrelevant, as circle makers have methods for working in the dark (which incidentally your eyes become accustomed to after about 20 minutes) which include night-vision apparatus and illuminous markers. So yes, you still carry the burden of proof.
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
I really don't know if I should take you seriously on this next point, regardless, you have dug yourself a hole you're going to find very difficult to climb out of. Your list of Levengood's credentials seems accurate enough. Note however there is no Ph.D listed. I never once contended that he wasn't a scientist, I said he wasn't a DOCTOR, a title he willingly uses. I won't comment on the legality of such a practise, but it is undoubtedly questionable and one must-
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
consider a man's ethics who follows such a dubious practise. As with everything I have presented to you, it isn't my opinion, it's observable fact. All you have demonstrated here is that you have little skill in reading and absorbing the material I present to you, and it invariably raises concerns over the consistency of your ability in pursuing this subject to an unbiased conclusion. You literally handed me that one. Thank you.
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
I don't doubt that Levengood's work is peer reviewed, however the process was not without an air of controversy which, as a rational skeptic, invites me to question the validity of it. And I didn't have to watch that 'cracking video' on your page to use that philosophy. I gave you a perfect example of Levengood and Talbot being debunked with their misleading maximum 10% node lengthening crap, yet as always, you choose to put your fingers in your ears and ignore it.
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
One must also consider how detached from the professional scientific mainstream must one be to use the title of doctor when you clearly are not? Why aren't you questioning this? Would you find it acceptable in a medical or lecturing context to be treated or taught by someone who uses a false title? I know for a fact you wouldn't find employment in my discipline with that kind of forgery, and it could quite possibly land you in trouble with the law. That's not my opinion.
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
I won't deny you're eager to see the back of this 'debate' ; it must be tiring standing back up each time you're smacked down. You have undeniably attempted to put words in my mouth, deny all existence of your logical fallacies, label actual fact as nonsense and then have the audacity to accuse me of 'acting like a twat'. If there ever was necessity for a circular saccade emoticon on Youtube comments, then that moment has truly come to pass.
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
You request that the conversation comes to an end, so I'll leave you with my veritable tome of enlightenment for you to peruse at your leisure.
Follow your own advice - learn from it and move on. Also, review and and try to REALLY understand that 'cracking video' on your page.
Realize that you're steadfastly denying anything that steers you away from your foregone conclusion.
I think I'll go outside and get that breath of fresh air now. It's a great day.
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
In any case, and as you should know, Levengood's and Hasslehoff's peer reviewed papers do not take into account formations as shown in the video above, i.e. formations containing complex patterns and square etc, as their hypothesis and research only extends to circular formations.
You need proof? Read thier peer reviewed papers.
Now where is that 'hard scientific fact' that backs you up on this?
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
It also appears you're at odds with the very proponents who advocate the plasma vortex/ET theory. Google "The Alien at Crabwood Farm House, by Eltjo H. Haselhoff." and try to comprehend that even your 'scientists' are not with you on this one.
Deu5Vult 4 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult Levengood is still studying crop circle phenomena and blt are still douing thier work. Colin Andrews is an engineer that worked with levengood thats correct yes.....but in his statement about thier work i think you'll find he said something a bit different from what you've made out. "i don't have a problem with the way blt have conducted thier "science" it is the input that they base it on" You say science he say's input? strange that. Also strange that colin andrews was,
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult was responcible for the way the went about thuer procedures because of his profession yet he had problem with the way things were being implamented? And waited until the paer was ridiculed? Another former member of the blt team shelly keel claimed that her, andrews and other members "set up" blind tests im the expriment because they were concerned about they results levengood was comeing to yet says that she hardly ever got reports of thier work and coincedently had none on
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult her at the time she was interviewed, strange? Now besides the fact you claimed that there no blind tests in that experiment is a bit dubious yes? And is also not the fact that they were messing with the tests in the first place? would it not be better to descuss the situation? And etjo h hasselhoffs work was not linked (by him atleast)to levengoods work he only stated in his paper that he was on to something with his work. Now both these test have been peer reviewed and that
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult which means there science has been accepted and confirmed by others, and again the fact you do not get is that it is regardless of what other scientists think of the subject or the science. None of these tests have ever been replicated. Dr simien hien tested seed germination from crop samples in 2009 but the test were as he put it "exploritory science" and not the same tests as what was performed by the blt for that paper.And francesco grast has conducted no such test to
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult debunk either lovengood or hasselhoff what he did was scrutinize thier method.which is what i said to you in the first place So ergo, there were no tests and no evidence or any scientific evidence against thier findings. And as for the human element. John linberg of the team satan was interviewed by freddy silvia were he mentions he was offered a bid from a collector to buy one of his "crop circles" and replies " the crops should remain authorless"? yes? Rod dickinson again
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult of team satan in an interview with michal linderman on oct 27 1996 stated that the julia set at stonhenge was made the the night before preveous day that the pilot claimed he saw the circle and that it was started at around 2:45 and a team of three people but his team were never seen. He claims that he is responsible for atleast a dozen from 1991 (crop circles were subhect to testing from 1986) he even has a website circle makers that had at one point the supposed scematic
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult for the triple julia yet it was removed after it was descovered that by its own logistcs it would have taken much longer than he made out to create each circle. And the sight was also analyzed by a survey team who came to the conclusion that it would have taken five days just to mark the spot alone. He gained deals with sky, the bbc, mitsubishi and created logos for them, and was specifically asked on two ocasions to created complex crop circles to fool researchers..The
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult first atempt was 1998 when the bbc asked him make a design in wiltshire and in the dark to see if they got caught, they did, within half an hour. the second atempt was in 1999 he was hired to create a 3d neckers gube, 33 cicles inside a triangle that was when, super imposed and the maths and logistics was not colse to being accurate unlike the mandelbolt set. So these circle makers can create some of the most amazing pieces of art in the dark in under 1hr in some cases and
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult make them near perfect, yet cannot when asked to by thier sponsors? Ever time a human has been asked to complete a crop circle it has been revealed in the most basic ways, and again the eye whitnesess the people you disscount. so another round up says that again. you have presented no evidence based on scientific study and proof against levengood or hasselhoffs papers or findings only attack on there methods or theories. There is no evidence that the proven crop circles were
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult made by man, the evidence says otherwise. so again you have nothing tangable with which to put forward. If you believe this is horse shit and that the information you have studied on this is right, i couldn't give a toss but again this has been settled on the facts.
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult When we descuss this topis you have to remember that we are; if we are talking about other lifeforms or phenomena causing them, descussing it with the understanding that if there is controled advanced technology behind this then we, as a species are dealing with a science beyond us. Yes scientific methods should be controled but as demonstrated from this entire conversation is rarely achieved.Almost every peer review paper will have it's opponents regardless of topic, but
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult without the scientifical evidence gained from tests that they demand themselfs thier opposition is only practice and method slander.These people Hasselhoff and Levengood have had thier science authenticated, the thing that devides the scientific community is as always the topic of study and method, which as you should know is not what science is about, and at the end of the day our science is infalible because it reflects our understanding of the universe, we will grow with
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult understanding and what we know about the science of the universe will never truly be wrong, it will always only be a part of the science of the universe.Einstien wasn't wrong about relativity, he was just right for his time and our understanding of the time about the mechanics of the universe. "truth it's an adventure, not an axiom, a story still unfolding not a tale already told the journey is what counts not the destination, right"..
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
"the thing that devides the scientific community is as always the topic of study and method, which as you should know is not what science is about"
Wrong again, that's exactly what science is about! Is this another choice excerpt from nihilityjoey's Big Book of Scientific Misunderstanding or are you deliberately making things up again? You can't even leave when you say you're going to; how are we supposed to trust anything that comes out of your mouth?!
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
You're clinging to your delusions like a spoilt child clings to its toys, and repeating yourself like a lobotomized parrot! I did promise however to drill some sense into you and that's exactly what I'm going to do; no matter how long it takes
Now we've established you don't even know what science is, it's hardly surprising that any contradiction offered by me is largely ignored, as you have now proven that you don't understand how to interpret it in the first place.
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
You couldn't even discern between a doctor and a scientist before this debate. I notice you've chosen not to address this? No big deal. The main thing is I've set you on the right track for your future verbal tennis matches - where your adamant ignorance and gross misunderstanding of science may actually score you some points against someone who is also clueless of what they're talking about.
I doubt your rosy philosophy appendage is going to cut it with anyone though.
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
You need to let go of the eye witness 'evidence'. Just let it go man. Admit you are wrong and direct your energy to another part of your argument . Anyone here who offers anything more than +1 to collective brain cell count when they log into Youtube can understand the unreliability of eye witness evidence. Read up on it; start with the conviction of Kirk Bloodsworth in 1984 to mention but one of a multitude of similar stories. Your criteria has no scientific backing.
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
If eye witness accounts are so important to you, why view the testimony of Shelly Keel as suspicious? Is this your admittance that your argument relies mostly on a 'pick and choose' method to arrive at your foregone conclusion? Not that we need you to admit to it to see it anyway. Keel's testimony is of little consequence; Levengood published his conclusions of the blind test and authentic circle and found both to contain the anomilies you claim are only-
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
found in genuine circles. Interestingly, this issue has yet to be addressed by Nancy Talbott and proves exactly why they don't follow scientific protocol. Notice Andrew's actual words were "its not the BLT science SO MUCH I would question here but the very materials they are testing". This seems to differ largely from your interpretation which seems to have been twisted semantically to infer error on my part. As I said, your tactics of putting words in my mouth will-
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
always be picked up on and show you to be the underhand participant here. When denying blind samples to prove your hypothesis wrong, your science (I used it correctly as an umbrella term to encompass the scientific method) will always come under attack and shown to be biased and subsequently unworkable in proving what it's meant to. Grassi and Andrews have proven the BLT method seeks to mold the evidence to fit the conclusion. Get over it, learn from it and move on.
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
I'm not sure what you find so extraterrestial (or what ever you have proven to form crop circles) about the effect of elctromagnetic energy on plant life. This phenomena can be observed every day courtesy of a big BOL known as the sun. In that respect, I have little objection to the cite-read papers by Levengood and Hasselhoff-
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
It's what the two authors, and the fervent misguided believers, try to insinuate causes CCs. And yes, Grassi has proven Levengood's 10% node lengthening results to be wrong. I will accept that my original statement that Grassi conducted the experiment was wrong and indicative of a man typing faster than the brain was thinking, but notice that the experiment data Grassi worked from was provided by no other than Hasslehoff! Despite your insistence that Levengood's-
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
methods are 'scientifically sound', I have pointed out two reasons why they are not and I will continue to cast up these reasons up for as long as it takes for you to come to terms with them. For whatever unexplainable reason you seek to disassociate Levengood and Hasslehoff, they are both inextricably linked through the topic and nature of their research. Hasslehoff however seems to be the brighter of the two. I'm waiting for your response to Hasslehoff's insistence-
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
that the alien face at Crabwood is man-made, yet you, even with your blatant lack of understanding of the scientific method, demand I show you evidence though you have clearly demonstrated you are not capable of deducing truth from anything of higher noetic value than a video or an eye witness account that fits your theory. Time to own it dude, admit you could be asking a hell of a lot more questions and then you can let it go..
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult I am eager to end this debate right now because i think were both tired yes? So before i begin i would like to quote yourself."I hope everyone here has a handle on the integraty of thier logic". So FACTS. Hasselhoff never said in his paper that crabwood farm was a hoax-nowere. He did write a passage which in no part has any scientific conclution to it, he never tested crabwood farm this was a conclusion based on his "gut feeling" not study. so you have lied or got ahead of
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult yourself. You claim the tesimony of farmers who recieve tourist money is suspect? FACT. crop circle appears in farmers field in england 15 july when a farmer shoots over the head of crop circle tourists heads, a statement from the N.F.U spokesmen ian johnson" theres no coulbting that circles cause agrvation and incredible cost to farmers" that one cost the farmer over £100,000 in damage. So your conclution based on logic makes a load of sence. Next Grassi took Hasselhoffs
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult paper and "went over it" FACT no testing no results. Colin Andrews stated that blind testing was the cause of his dispute among other things yes? Yet says this "It does not always necesitate results to proove the scientist is heading in the wrong direction". And this is better in the interview he claimed that nacy talbot had made her own circle and was talking samples to be tested and the couple of times she did this she had recorded herself? Yet states he recorded this and
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult with the help of nacy and volenteers? But in his letter to her he makes no mention of a video only evidence of 2 blind test he and her employees carry out, but no mention of her? Hold on though she according him filmed only 2 test procedures so she would have had the videos anyway? yet there is no video? And he's also so worried about the way the test are being conducted he hires......volenteers, not scientists to verify what he is douing? odd yes? And dr simeon hien when in
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult stateing his responce to nacy talbots letter said that the germination tests they were carrying out on crop circle seeds in 2009 were not the same tests as blts but exploritory tests yet he is condeming her letter about thier results? again odd yes? So in the entirety of his debate you have no evidence to give you have only as you put it to "seeker of truth" give him food for thought nothing more. So you have now been demoted to a twat dressed in frilly pants and what i would
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@Deu5Vult say to you is this, why dosn't pants with frilly nickers go all the way to before this woderfull adventure of ours began and hook up with "bigblackcok" so that twat with nickers and bigblackcock can linguistically please each other over the "burden of proof "about...........santa. cheers.
nihilityjoey 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
Everytime I wonder how you can possibly out do yourself in the pursuit of looking like an ass, and again you astound me with your latest response which has got to be the best paradigm of fuckwittery I have witnessed in a long, long time! You are literally foaming at the mouth with frustration, and your train wreck of an argument is far from over; I'm just getting started exposing you as the utter numb nuts you really are!
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
"now to use the example of tesla being a critic of einstien while he himself had no lack of really makes..no kind of sence, yes?"
Correct, you can't even make sense even when you try! What in the name of all that is holy are you trying to say here? It's not up to me to use my decoder ring to crack what the hell you're speaking about! You are without a doubt the most abstract moron I have ever had the pleasure of ripping in to!
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
To think you have the nerve to attack my style when you yourself would evidently benefit from having a dictionary open next to you. Do yourself a favour and calm down. Think about what you want to say and how you want to word it. I give you that courtesy, at least give Youtube and I the same courtesy back so we can tell when you're speaking and when you're cockslapping your keyboard in anger!
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
It doesn't take an 'over-sized grey ball' to read, understand and reply! Where for example did you get the notion that I implied Hasslehoff's analysis of the alien face at Crabwood and his peer reviewed paper on BOLs are one and the same document? That's right, I didn't! This is another example of your cretinous fabricating of myths to try and score at least one point in this debate. Unfortunatley for you, the discourse is forever etched in Youtube's comments-
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
section for all to witness what a complete and utter prick you are! Shame on you. You're what, 30 something years old? And you've barely stretched your intellect a nanosecond past the of era of irrational teenage angst! You are a prime specimen of why pregnant women should not smoke crack. Are you really so dumb you think I won't notice when you indulge in a little creational fact presenting? You are way in over your head..
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago
@nihilityjoey
So the accusation stands, your advocate for ET/BOL/Santa, whatever the hell you want it to be, Hasslehoff has declared the alien face at Crabwood to be a hoax yet you demand video evidence to counter a scientific analysis that has not been carried out at the formation. Can you now see why no one believes you have the slightest clue what you're talking about and why yours is an argument from ignorance?
Deu5Vult 3 weeks ago