TADZIO PT. 2

[italyrules11]

The movie (well, book) was based upon the true story of Mann's intersest in the CUTE appearance of a nine year old polish prince while with his wife in Venice. Most historical cultures acknowledge that minors can be attractive and most substantial cultures forbid people messing with minors (early marriage, however, has usually been allowed). Modern culture is stupid because it pretends that minors are never attractive except to perverts.

[mmbmbmbmb]

How sad ~ the longing ...  the trying to adapt merely by coloring your hair to appear younger ~ just to appeal to someone, you feel so strongly about ... how sad.

How so very sad.

What a wonderful film ~ to show the despair of ~ really any human being in a situation of vulnerability ~ for the sake of feeling loved.

What a wonderful film, primed by such wonderful music of Gustav Mahler

Thank you for these great minutes of an amazing film ...

[VegaValentino]

Look Here!! He is not a pedo! he never tuch the boy or hurt him and Tadzio seems not to hate him or are scared in anyway. i hate pedos but idont think that Death in Venice is about hurting Children come on

[virtual7insanity]

you are all so narrow minded, who scream out: Pedophile, gross... Just look at this as human craving for something that is perfect, pure, beautiful, innocent, true, genuine. Who thought this is sick, you really are sick in your heads, because, you can't think of anything else but fucking 12 years old. So,__ your bad!

[33LB]

so greer is obsessed with a young boy who looks as if he's 12 or something?

can anyone say PAEDOPHILE?

[doloreshaze1935]

@33LB No, you will have to read book carefully, he was not not really sexually attracted to him, not in the beginning. He was normal heterosexual man all his life, suddenly he saw this boy, and he started to contemplate in his mind about his beauty. In the moment he realized that he is in love with him, he tried to run away horrified. He did now want to be be sexually attracted to a child, it was humiliating to him. You need to read book carefully.

[33LB]

@doloreshaze1935 "the beautiful boy" was written by the feminist germaine greer, who is not a man. in this book, she details her lust for young boys such as the boy in this video (who, again, looks like he's about 12). so yes, she is a paedophile.

perhaps you need to read more carefully.

[doloreshaze1935]

@33LB I'm sorry. I was thinking that you were talking about novel "Death in Venice". :)

[anniemihn]

@doloreshaze1935 True, even Dirk Bogard denied frontally in an interview the sexual connotation of the attraction. But I'm not sure about Visconti's intentions really. The film has a homoerotic feel to it, that's undeniable.

[Nonie46]

@anniemihn Actually, Dirk's character portrays a middle aged man who wants to re-live his past youth. Every person, man or woman, passes this stage in his life. The fact that there is an epidemic in the place intensifies the psychological effect of that longing in the middle aged guy.

[littlemonsterfull]

KE LINDO BABAAA!!! :p <3

[anniemihn]

Bjorn had a confidence and gravity you hardly see in boys of that age. It's not just his staggering and dramatic beauty at all. He has an aristocratic and elgant mood we don't often see even in movies. What a legend he is...

[Nonie46]

@anniemihn If he lived during the days of the pre-Christian Greeks and Romans, he would surely be a model for sculptors in making a sculpture for Apollo!

[prettyb0y1992]

@anniemihn Thats called acting..It doesn't mean he's automatically like that in person.

[clar1944]

Qualcosa di indimenticabile, fantastico, un tema così difficile trattato con tanta delicatezza. Abbiamo tanto da imparare da questi grandi, peccato che non esistono più.

[silvicurlytop]

i hate the older guy, couldn't they pick someone handsome too?

[MissRobertaBella]

Più bello il film del romanzo.

[francois121000]

SUPERBE FILM

[TKTMA2]

bjorn died in movie?

[francois121000]

EPOUSTOUFLANT... Sublime et Tadzio d'une grande beauté

[francois121000]

EPOUSTOUFLANT..... D'une rare beauté (musique, film) et surtout Tadzio.

[apollo7ful]

dieser film ist die absolute wahrheit über das leben; das beste was es gibt

[filmfan1964]

@apollo7ful Eine traurige, eine melancholische Wahrheit, eine Vision des verpassten Lebens, wie es hätte sein können. Ein Wiedererkennen, ein Verliebtsein, ein Aktzeptieren des eigenen Ichs. Das Beste, Das Schönste und das Traurigste in den letzten Momenten ... Herzzerreißend!

[poussecafe3]

I thought he died of cholera but it was a heart attack

[georgeisalive1]

:'( so poetic

[susub75]

But before the WW I people didn't have that hair and those clothes and therefore I don't like this.

[alexyomero76]

@sebastianflyte07 Actually when u really love u won't hurt!

If Gustav was seekin' something unhealthy and wrong as u say, he wouldn't have died for his object of love!

He would have pursued violent physical contact in any way as many rapists do.

But Gustav was really in love with such beauty, and freshness, and as an artist he had enough simply contemplating such perfection!

As for Tadzio, he was getting so much attention and admiration, that he was grateful enough to reply in his own way.

[honeeybuns]

like an angel

[sazuist]

Gilbert Cocteau!

[maxnll]

They never speak (Tadzio, of course never speaks) but wouldn't you simply die without Mahler.....?

[Bouzouteify]

Film sublime...Musique sublime...Images envoutantes...Beauté fascinante de ce jeune homme au visage d'Ange...Merci pour cet intense moment d'émotion et BRAVO!! pour ce montage magnifique!!

[zyzll]

hes beautiful , he borned too early , he would become a super star nowadays

[prettyanonymous03]

prince

[ykhappy]

classy

[rukawa9289]

does anyone knows what's on the Tadzio's mind in the movie when he keeps looking at Gustav?

[alexyomero76]

@rukawa9289 Obviously he knew what the man felt for him and that gave him pleasure. Humans are instinctive, the boy never felt threatened, instead he felt admired and loved by this older fellow.

[alexyomero76]

@rukawa9289 Gustav would have never hurt Tadzio in anyway. Tadzio felt it. Surely the boy would have agreed to an erotic physical exchange the same way as he agreed to return seductive smiles .

[Whyolin]

@rukawa9289

iiiiiiiiiiiiiii aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam beautifuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul

[MultiMelissaj]

I really liked this video :D its very fascinating

[MademoiselleDarklove]

I love this character, Tadzio looks like a beautiful angel *-*

[onlycooler1021]

@MademoiselleDarklove

Lol my name is Tadziou As Well however i don´t look like him :P I have black hair and i am half dutch half Tunisian :)

[izziediekatze]

i can`t understand...

the man dead why?¿?

[ainhoator]

Cholera.

[redpaul79]

looks like he dies of sheer repression

[xkyousukex]

There are amazingly beautiful novels about death, crimes, war, prostitution, and so on. In the same way, Death in Venice is truly a Masterpiece, beyond the supposition of placing the event on real life. By the way, to my eyes, the love Aschenbach professes to Tadzio is love for beauty, for perfection, worship to the ultimate muse for all the arts in world. Not necessarily in a "sexual" or "romantic" way.

[impale2009]

He is beautiful, but I don't and can't love him in a romantic way.

[redpaul79]

that's cause you want the big black cock

[rob251149]

I agree with you, Nocturne163.

It is not a crime to fall in love with an adolescent youth. It is however a crime to act on that love physically in our society. The damage to the child can be immeasureable.

[bookkeeper57]

This guy did not "fall in love": he was obsessed. He was not content to admire this kid from a distance. He became a stalker. He dressed in a full suit to follow

a kid to the beach; day after day. The art lies in the conflict between his patent actions, and his self excusing narrative.

[nocturne163]

i've just watched this masterpiece at TV , and to me it ins't a crime , to love the beauty and innocence of a child or even youth !

only the real abuse would be aweful indeed , but this is so artful , touching and amazing , great movie and novel !)

[pchoc111]

It has nice music, scenery, etc, but the premise is revolting. In the film, a middle-aged man lusts after a pubescent boy. I think that is sick. How could someone use this psycological disorder to create art? This isn't art.

[PaulDougouba]

I know what you mean. I was forced to read this work as a "Classic" in college. It was Thomas Mann who wrote it. I will never look at Hannibal Lechter the same again LOL.

This sickness of a grown man Leering and drooling over young boys is called Ephebophilia. That is a more accurate term than Pedophillia which describes sex with very young children.

Give me a beautiful full bodied Black Woman ANY day.

[redpaul79]

you just made the stupidest statement ever commited to text--by the way, name a specific "big BLACK woman" you think is so hot--why are you watching videos of Tadzio if obese darkie poon is youir preference? --you aint foolin anyone... Obviously, the character in the movie is a pepressed obsessed douchebag (like you), so you missed the point entirely.

[PaulDougouba]

It is obvious you are a skat eating pervert.

You are the sicko here not me.

Pervert.

[redpaul79]

whoah--a little too much about your personal interests and obsessions, dude--let's keep it to the topic at "hottest"?--Oprah?--Star Jones?--Clue us in, please.

[PaulDougouba]

@ redpaul79

At least I have the guts to have allow free comments on my page you little pussy. You hide like a little wuss behind a anonymous You Tube account.

At least I put my picture up and face people here like a man.

You leave a racist comment on my page and do not even allow some one a chance on your page to respond. You are a little cowardly pussy. LOL

coward.

[redpaul79]

you only allow comments "pending approval" which makes you a chickenshit cocksucking monkeyface coon nigger faggot liar cowbbpoy macho dipshit loser assclown

[PaulDougouba]

@redpaul79

Look you Skat eating little Coward.

Someone could get your IP address from off of You Tube. Are you aware of that? There are programs that do that.

You Tube is NOT completely confidential.

So before you start calling people "nigger" you little Girly Man you need to realize some will take offense to that

So be careful what you say hiding in your Mom's Basement you little Pussy.

[redpaul79]

explain your "Hannibal Lecter" (misspelled, of course) comment, please--it makes no sense to a non subnormal mind.....

[PaulDougouba]

Hey. You eat another man's Feces and you are going to lecture ME?

Ha ha ha.

Hey pussy. Talk your racist trash to my face OK? Until then STFU!

[karenlangland1]

@redpaul79

Congratulations! I have reported you to You Tube for Cyber Bullying and Racist Hate Speech.

You do NOT call black people "niggers" - not on my watch.

Have a nice day! : )

Don't bother responding. I have blocked you.

[redpaul79]

@karenlangland1 and how exactly would you get those snobbish dickwads to pay attention to you or guive a shit what you think--huh, you dumb fuck NIGGER?

[karenlangland1]

...yawn.....

[bookkeeper57]

This is art whatever its premise because of the way it is crafted. If it can make you think, or experience something outside of your normal existence, it is art. Vladimir Nabokov wrote a similar story in "Lolita";

where an adolescent girl, not boy, was the focus of a maladjusted middle aged man.

[dwaler1975]

That final scene......, it is just AMAZIING! So beautiful, a true piece of art.

[3oMethylmorphine]

Do you ever hear the boy speak in this film?

[Nefelejcs4]

Beautiful boy!!

[Sophiegoldman22]

esa musica y las imagenes homoeroticas del pibe Tadzio me perturban ..

[GAMOM2]

I am not gay phobic nor have I read this book but the images in this clip seem to scream pedophilia to me. It's beautiful - like youth and innocence is beautiful but that creepy old guy following that boy around like some lovesick school girl is well...odd. And this nonsense of Tadzio flirting with him is strange behavior (you sometimes see this in kids who have been abused. Some have trouble understanding what appropriate behaviors are esp with adults - it can make them vulnerable. Disturbing.

[eutuve]

both the book and the movie will enlighten you...

your comment denounces arrogance and ignorance

I am not trying to insult you

Thomas Mann is (was ) a Nobel winner

[TheSlayersFreak]

I have to agree with GAMOM2 I mean I have gay friends who think this film is great and all but at the same time pedophilia is present. Imagine a older man oggling a girl Tadzio's age creepy rite? its not about them being gay. Its about the one being a senior and the other being underaged.

Don't brick me for voicing my opinion people

[KyuuSUZUKI]

Why is Tadzio fighting with that other boy?

[blondofu]

this is sad...i cried x.x

[padrak18]

This is a Gay based movie. All through

the movie the boy is hinting to the

older gentelman that he is available

if th man wants him. This is how gays

pick up on each other. Making and keeping eye contact.

[quakercub]

Your ignorance of current gay life is astonishing. Sounds like a fear of sexuality to me.

[Bnesque]

Ironically padrak18's sentiment explains the very essense of the existanse of The Beautiful Boy, They transcend the gender like Tadzio does.

[padrak18]

Actually there is no such thing as a beautiful Boy. Males are cute,handsome

or good looking. A boy that you may call beautiful is simply a male that has facial

features of a female. Only females

are beautiful.

[trutwiggy]

So females have ownership of what is beautiful. Does that also apply only to female birds, dogs, horses etc... Your limitations on what is beautiful is quite silly.

[padrak18]

Well perhaps if one is Gay I would

suppose they may refer to a male body

as beautiful. Straight guys don't however.

Could this mean that you are G** ?

Naw, couldn't be. ;)

[trutwiggy]

You should learn that an argument is weak if you attack the person. You seem to have a lot of insight into the goings on within the gay community. I'm sure many a man would view Michelangelo's David and think it is beautiful, even envious...

[padrak18]

Nope, no insight at all. It just happends to be the way straight men,(like me) think. We never consider another male as being beautiful. I do have a question though. If you are "Sure" that many of other men would find, whoever these guys are, as being beautiful, that would indicate that you have done extensive research. Could you list any documents or books you have researched ? Or is all this, Just your opinion ? :)

[betokkikke]

Thomas Mann tremendous novel!

[corioliscircle]

The best, most noble human beings spend their lives looking for beauty and for truth. In this film, Tadzio represents Beauty. A magical, sublime beauty.

[MsIthinkthereforeIam]

@corioliscircle  Intelligent comment...I totally agree with you!

[musicatraian]

can any one tell me what's that? i don't get it, was that man in love with the young boy? it looks like a gay scene ........

[nadenka874]

Read Thomas Mann's "The Death in Venise"

[piedra45]

the whole story is an extraordinary symbol about life, art, beauty. Tadtzio represents BEAUTY in its absolute sense. It is one of the most beautiful films I saw. At the end of the film the boy (after a struggle (life) with a friend)  standing in the water points at an abstract faraway "place" while Mahler dies, this is ART

[MultiFilmbuff]

Tadzio is the embodiment of perfect beauty and there's nothing "abstract" about this scene. As Bogarde's character reaches the end of his life, Tadzio simply points to him the way out, much like an angel of death.

Regardless of how "aesthetic" some would like to think Bogarde's infatuation with the young boy is, the homosexual overtones are obvious. I don't doubt for a second, that the worldly oldtimer would have definitely put his hands on the boy if he had the opportunity.

[piedra45]

well... the difference between yours and my visions of world are in its poetry... Tatzio pointing "somewhere" shall always be for me a beautiful abstract symbol. As for all the rest you may read it as you most like and feel it, while I see in it a deep meaning of "beauty"

[MultiFilmbuff]

lol

Of course you may see it as abstract as you wish, but this does not make your vision a correct one.

Tadzio is not pointing "somewhere" he's actually pointing the way out to the dying old man. Perhaps as a merciful act.

As far as your "deep meaning of beauty" is concern, the fact remains that the infatuation of the older man is towards another male.

Obviously we are not going to agree on this film, so I bid you adieu.

[thomascrown559]

Anyone who his "Film Buff" in their screenname is obviously attemtping to prove his "superiority" at reviewing films.

Your view is only HALF correct according to the author; and the pompous and snide tone of your messages indicate your lack of compunction and utter single-mindedness. 

You are a droll, ignorant fop.

[piedra45]

!!! but excuse me : "somewhere" and "way out" are exactly the same thing !! and I would like to add I never want to claim my vision as the only correct one !! I was only telling my personal feeling. This film is for me one of the most important tributes to BEAUTY in its "absolute meaning" (musical, physical, and in space (Venise, architectures, sea, colours, sky, etc))

Nice discussions are always interesting. Adieu then !!

[classicnewtube]

absolutement!!! you have the soul of a poet---the real language you understand...it is a precious gift...from a kindred spirit!!!! i so enjoyed the adagietto ...the beautiful boy ..exquisite art in motion...

[MsIthinkthereforeIam]

@piedra45 totally agree with you. BEAUTY...

[classicnewtube]

we are beautiful SOULS who can see beneath and beyond..and FEEL the landscapes of varied human emotions! Oh are we blessed!!

[MsIthinkthereforeIam]

@piedra45 hai completamente ragione, questa e' ARTE! you're so right, this is Art..but only an artistic soul can fully understand and "feel" this film...

[agleb8]

I had read a book wich talk about a boy like this,,,and I guess this will be really good to be able to see that movie

[Twirly60]

Best film ever,it not about sex but the love of youth,good health,good looks,oh how quickley they pass.

[jegspillerpiano]

@Twirly60 True, but the sexual attraction and longings are an inseparable ingredient of that. It's basically the reason why guys who have the opportunity, money, power and allure with almost tiresome inevitably marry women 20 or 30 years their junior. 'Young' talks. everybody wants young, everybody wants to BE young.

[mechanicalvalve]

This was an experience rarely felt in reality. This is how I feel inside everyday.

[VicArmand]

Too bad he's not this young now, he would have made a perfect Armand (from the Vampire Chronicles) :P

[jgtaylorusmc]

marcotilson, just above wrote ALL anyone could about the movie. Nothing else can be said. Andresen, publicly hates his youthful looks if we can believe that. My only question would be that now he is 54, does he ever look back at a picture of him as Tadzio? Bograde, was actually Sir Dirk, knighted by the Queen. He felt Death in Venice to be one of his finest works. Tadzio and Gustav know the truth.

[jgtaylorusmc]

As for the film......it's great. All those who truly understand the film and the story, will appreciate it as excellence. Bogarde himself believed it to be ONE of his best works. Andresen now sits in Stockholm, a man who posessed ultimate beauty in his youth. Bogarde, died of a heart attack a day after Lauren Bacall visited him. She was his dear friend. Was Bogarde gay? Only Bogarde and Tadzio will ever know that.

[LeBellePrincess]

Not to affend anybody or anything, just the way he interacts with that other boy It looks kind of gay... But if I'm wrong then I'm sorry.

[LeBellePrincess]

Is tadzio gay i cant really tell?

[OnitsukaTiger1511]

I suggest you read the book!! itsnot about a love from man to man but about the appreciation of ones beauty and aesthatic...

[sfkcbf]

This film was made on a "shoe-string" budget because the original Hollywood backers wanted massive changes to Mann's aclaimed novella, including changing Tadzio's role that of a girl. Apparently they had no understanding of Mann's story nor comfort with it.

[sarpelealice]

SPLENDID !!!

[nickowen2]

exquisite

[robertchutney]

As I said at part No 1,very powerful movie...;-)

[hegstad9]

(1) Understand that Gustav von Aschenbach is merely obsessed with the boy's beauty from an artistic point of view.

In a scene on the beach, after Tadzio has been lovingly cared for by his female babysitter, the boy walks slowly by himself on the beach - wrapped in a large towel.

This is all witnessed by Aschenbach, who then finds the inspiration to sit down and compose beauty.

[hegstad9]

(2) Some shots of Tadzio could be extracted from the frame and hung on the walls of the Louvre or the Vatican in Rome.

This is not a pretty boy who is supposed to represent an object of perverted lust; that was neither novelist Mann's nor director-writer Visconti's intention.

Rather, this is a symbol of a beauty allied to those which inspired Michelangelo's David and Da Vinci's Mona Lisa, and which moved Dante to seek ultimate aesthetic catharsis in the distant figure of Beatrice."

[mikl10to]

very interesting, if only for the costumes, but more to it than that

[ossanmairunou]

Tadzio is so beautiful in his sailor cloth! but achenbach is disgusting pervert.

[j1a2v3e4]

he is not a pervert take the time into consideration. Gustav is an estetic and rather confused about sexuallity

[Camilopeter]

"¡No debes soreir asi! ¿Me oyes? ¡A nadie hay que sonreirle!"...

[Chiubee]

太美了!!像畫裡走出來的人一樣.終極美少年.

[Nainica]

太美了，太美了，太美了！

为什么造物主会造出如此美丽的少年，而我们却找不到一个像他一样­美丽的形容词来形容他！

[my24k]

how about 驚世動人 勾魂攝魄 的美麗. 超越性別沒有國界的極限.

[derithyll]

i think kim hee chul is prettier

[Goloberto]

formidable

[charlottelaud]

what happened to the pretty boy at the final ?

died ?

[milkshuttle]

no, hes alright. they just left venice.

[BesACB]

Zij die niet van knapen en tabak houden zijn dwazen! (Christopher Marlowe)

[Bnesque]

究極の美に魅入られることは、

死に魅入られることに等しい...。

To put your eyes on absolute beauty is to put your eys on death...  by Visconti

[81divers]

なんという美しさだ！！！

究極の美少年だ！！！

[nacht98]

Tadzio has all his life ahead, he is young and beautiful...almost yet a child. Gustav is daying and an angel is playing among the mortal ones. He can only see it, he does not belong here anymore. This boy, is the eternaty...

[MsIthinkthereforeIam]

@nacht98 beautiful comment!

[noact]

I loved the the costumes which captured a time lost

in the past.

[ratpat]

i guess you haven't see the movie or read to book

[lejoe48]

The best scenes of this great movie.

[Elijah4Everr]

This was an amazing novella. I'm going to ask my teacher to pick up the movie so we can see how the actions mimic the dreary, obsessive, and broodingly dark images that come to mind in the novella.

[sparafucile2]

Vi la película a los 15 años y quedé estremecido durante muchos días. Las imágenes, la historia y la música producen una emoción indescriptible.

[jcdraws]

Unless, of course, Tadzio is meant to appear as a phantasm -- the fantasy of von Aschenbach, like Lolita for Humbert. Are we to take the film so literally?

[nowherepeople3]

Have you read the book?¿

[OrodesIII]

superb directing

[acselfersen]

A striking example of poor direction. Visconti´s managed to create a monstrous beauty who is instructed to smile like Garbo, move like a ballet dancer or freezing in unnatural poses. Andrésen fell victim to dark

desires and once freed from the stigma proved himself an accomplished young actor in the film "Bluff Stopp" inter alia.

[tachere]

hey do you know where I can find bluff stop to wacth it online or to download it write me back pleaseee

[swe50]

Björn Andresen had some very fatal consequences privately because of the idolizing of him in his early teens. He is an accomplished actor and a skilled pianist and hates being reminded of his early breathtaking looks. For further images of him see the superb swedish movie "Den enfaldige mördaren", Director Hans Alfredsson.

[marcotilson]

hauntingly beautiful. the futility of his love for an object out of his reach.