Wentworth Miller is a race traitor, he passed for white in Prison Break and Resident Evil, if he accepts himself he should not shave or smoothing his hair.
This is very sad, to disown your family because you want to live as white...it had to be killing him on the inside, to live a lie, and hoping and praying daily, that no one will recognize you as a Black, and the family you came from...
@MissJessyeNorman No, it isn't. Mulatto has never been used in the way that nigger or kike or other racial slurs were - it is a purely descriptive term, not a slur.
@Einarr1989 The word was derived from the word "mule" for two reasons:
#1 A mule is the product of a horse and a donkey mating. The horse was meant to represent the "superior" Caucasion person, and the donkey the "inferior" African American person.
#2 A mule is a sterile animal. There was a sick belief, that a person of African American and Caucasian heritage is such an abomination in God's eyes, that they'd be born sterile, so that they'd be unable to pass on their "disgusting" genes.
@98bigbutt Haha, so typical of a 30 yr old LiIberal like you, are you jewish by any chance? labelling people 'racist' is getting old now, Miscegenation is murder, every race deserves to live, yes. But there's no excuse for mixing. The Human being concept is stupid, so can a Hare and a rabbit reporoduce simply because they're 'Animals'?? I didn't think so.
@mokomike I agree, the film is not perfect, but this scene is so amazing and genuinely heartbreaking. Anna Deavere Smith should have been nominated for an Oscar. I wish Miller made more films
but that's what happened. I broke a rib, had a concussion, and lost vision in my right eye for a day after that fight. When I told my father about it, he told me not to mess with other people's girls. Fair enough. That's the world, I guess. Sad place, and I fear that perhaps the most ruthless or violent people in America get rewarded for their behavior more than someone who is conservative or deliberated in their actions and words. So be it. ~
@Tripo1iSamson btw i just read your story and if true i sympathize and agree (minus the racial over tones). that is a lesson that i have learned as well. Regardless of the outcome of this ill fated argument between us you have my respect for attempting to intervene, but i had to learn that sometimes you cannot save some folks.
getting in a stupid fight over a girl who was not intelligent enough to reciprocate my willingness to be decent to a person I date. I realized that I had no reason to feel sad or bad, but rather, I'm just surrounded by a few good old idiots, and that I made a pretty dumb decision by convincing myself it was even possible to get a fickle girl to be honest with herself and with me, and to exhibit enough willpower to get rid of an abusive, black, criminal boyfriend. Long story told for no purpose,
text, poorly-worded, even worse was the spelling. But she expressed to me that she was going to break up with me, go out with that guy, because he said he'd kill me. I'm a bit of a cynic, or a skeptic, so I doubt that was her only true motivation for dumping me and going back to dating a guy who liked to hit girls. So I told her to go to hell, and that was the last we talked. I realized then that I didn't actually operate in any way that contradicted my goal or any weak-willed way, other than
I was extremely happy to be dating that girl, and I thought she and I were on similar levels. But a week later, I discovered that that guy had been texting her constantly, and she exhibited some crappy fidelity by talking to him, and he was informing her of his intention to "kill me" if she wouldn't date him. Well that's obviously a race to the bottom if Sir Black had done this, as if you murder someone, odds are you get locked up. Especially when it's over a girl. She broke up with me with a
insulting names, as that is not what I wanted to do then. I did, however, get loaded up on legal uppers and go try to kick this guy's ass, which failed miserably for me. I showed up at the girl's house, the guy stepped outside, I hit him in the face once, and it was downhill from there. Three or so days later, the girl dumped him and went out with me, despite me having miserably lost a fight. I weigh 135 and am 5 foot 11. This guy is at least 240 and is about 6 foot 2. Didn't matter though, as
This massive black dude was dating a white girl, who he'd assaulted, who was scared of him, who was so hopelessly ignorant and weak-willed that she would not change her mind and leave the guy, despite confiding in me and others that she did not like or love him. Me and that girl developed a rapport and eventually came to like each other. When her then-boyfriend discovered her plan to break up with him, he threatened me via a phone. I didn't say any threats over a phone, I didn't call him any
Also, it's not like when segregation laws were in place all people took advantage of that. Likewise, the inverse is that hate-crime laws get created- well just because something's a law doesn't mean someone will listen or obey it. You still have racists today, and likewise, when it was still legally okay to own a slave in parts of the US, there were still people who, despite what the law said, decided it was wrong. Smart people, good people, and some bad people. Things are not so one-sided.
One often hears of the evil deeds of whites perpetrated against blacks in the US- but surely it wasn't all whites. Before Jim Crow laws were repealed, lots of whites (along with lots of blacks and others) must have decided they were illogical and bad. Pretty simple. For instance, what about the underground railroad, and the "contemporary" Christian movements of the 1700 and 1800's that claimed all people were equal, race aside? They get less credit than they should.
Nobody with sense considers "racial tribalism" or "identity politics" to be a good thing, though it seems to actually be the media and pop-culture outlets of the US that spread notions that cause modern-day "white guilt" while giving some blacks a chance to feel like a victim. It's illogical, and unfair to whites and blacks.
about any place or person, but the point stands, you can take the stupid deed away from a culture, but it doesn't make that culture any less stupid. You could put a southerner up on a stage and claim that it's the height of culture, but it's not. Likewise, putting Snoop Dogg into the brains of developing white kids doesn't make it cool either. It just makes everyone used to it.
for weed possession, who's plan to make enough money to live with his white girlfriend under her white mom's roof is to...guess what...continue selling weed. So obviously in 2 years, that girl's going to be fat, full of kids, and unhappy. And she actually deserves that, because she is forcing herself to date a dude she doesn't like, doesn't fit in with, doesn't have anything in common with, solely because she thinks that's what is expected. You can change things in the south, about the south,
damn modernizing to do- and nowadays, since the south was obviously a bastion of stupidity and iniquity, dumb little white trash girls literally force themselves to be with abusive black dudes solely because of their (the girl's) preconceived notions about race and whatnot. I know this dumb welfare-addict white single mother with no job, who's lettering her just-18 pothead white "high school graduate" daughter live with a 21-year old obese black dude who's already choked the girl, been to jail
some stupid half-Spanish Anglicized word in order to justify their convoluted beliefs. I prefer just being myself, not having to say nigga to feel cool, and not bowing down to any fucking person just because pop culture keeps saying I should. Ironic. You gotta love the white trash south- under democrat control, they made Jim Crow laws and whatnot, and nobody remembers that, somehow it's all republicans that are "on the wrong side" of "civil rights." So obviously back when southerners had some
It's like pop culture and political correctness is literally a fucking prison. I keep seeing white kids awkwardly say "nigga" if they're around a black kid they either outnumber or outsize- but the white kids aren't doing it to be mean, they're trying to be cool, but are being pussies. Whenever I say, wtf, why do you say that, their responses are unanimous- oh, well, I'm not racist, so I can say nigga in a really high pitched voice and be cool about it. Then they force themselves to keep saying
The never-said thoughts in pussy teenager's minds regarding race are this: "woah, I'm not black, so that means I somehow have it a billion times better than any black person, but that means I'm bad and need to try to constantly identify with black people, all the while revealing how stupid I am because I really only look at people by their race, and not objectively or without preconceived cultural guilt. Maybe if I say nigga when there's only one black kid around I'll look cool."
I really don't get the whole thing with race being so fucking serious in a bunch of normal white kid's lives. Fucking tools. I love how the latest generation of low-self-esteeming white kids rectifies their "guilt" that was pushed onto them by other whites in media and various outlets of culture- I keep meeting pale, short, skinny, bug-eyed, weird and stupid WHITE kids who think the way to make themselves cool is to call black people "niggas" in order to sound "in" and "cool." Real neat. Tools.
This is a perfect example of how mixing often does not work. Is it immoral? No, of course not. However, we cannot deny that racial and cultural identities cannot be easily thrown in the garbage can. No one gets away with it. Cole was struggling so hard with the decision to drop his black roots. Sure, he looked white and felt white, and that is enough to make him white, but his relatives were another story. Mama was in tears right away, and just notice how pissed Walt was with his brother!
@sandinyourshoes Your thinking is flawed in that you blame the victim and not the system in which this type of bigotry is rampant. In essence your statement would blame a girl who was date raped on " teenage romance" rather than the misogyny and the gratification of power of the rapist.
"The system," StTigray1? Everyone is a part of “the system,” because everyone belongs to some kind of culture. It goes with us wherever we go. It shows in the way we look. Cole’s mother made this point clear by asking him if he considered that he would be taking a chance if he and his girl thought of having children. They might not turn out as white as he would hope, and then how could the issue be explained? It is not good to see the world only through rose-colored glasses.
@sandinyourshoes - The "system" is supported by the main people who are oppressed by the "system" because they actually think race matters in this country. It doesn't. The only color that matters in this "system" is green. Black and white and everything else keeps the little people fighting each other.
@lovingit1000, ideally, it would be great if race never mattered, but it is being in denial to actually believe things are that simple. People around the world have traditions and cultural values that they will not just throw away based on wanting to mix with other races or based on other reasons.
It is often non-whites who want to "improve their race" by mixing with whites. Many do not even want children who look like them. They want lighter or white-looking children.
@sandinyourshoes You are speaking of the psychological effects of colonialism, not an innate physiological predisposition. If you study history you will find that there were times when White was considered innately inferior, due to their paleness. If you doubt me, study what the Romans, Arabs, and Greeks thought of Europeans. It's essentially what a White bigot would say about Blacks now. You forget that the word Slave came from Slav, Whites were considered the slave race of ancient times.
@sandinyourshoes The tables always turn it is the nature of history. every group has been on top at one time or another and every group has been the enslaver at some time. The pattern of Human History
@sandinyourshoes I agree, but we must try for even though human history has been brutal, there have been societies as diverse as ours that lived in relative peace for centuries. Very few if any Mega Empires of the past were homogenous, Their very survival depended on the cohesiveness of their empires and the lack of it usually brought their fall. I.E. Rome, Carthage, etc I fear America will join that list
Yes, StTigray1, to be homogenous really must have been very rare for any kingdoms or empires. I bet Africans went to Persia, and people from Tibet did see Arabia, etc. Man can be very nomadic.
@sandinyourshoes The answer to that question is changing all the time. The more we find the more we realize that man was far more advanced at an earlier periods than we thought. I.E. We thought that the Egyptians or the Mesopatamians were the forerunners of civilization, but now we are uncovering texts that show that civilizations were advanced long before Egypt came into existence. We now know that Egypt at one time was a colony planted by a previous Civilization.
@sandinyourshoes - Murder will always happen, does that mean we should just let people get away with it? If some/most people aren't trying to live in the ideal situation, then this world is screwed. No, everything can't be perfect here. But, that shouldn't stop us from trying.
No matter what we want to believe, traditions and cultural values DO change over time. What is old was once new. If we can't learn to evolve/improve/adapt, we will become the dinosaur.
@lovingit1000, Mama called Cole a murderer. That was strong, as it could have meant many different things. Was he killing her love and himself? I guess it is how we see it.
I do believe man will always try to get better. It is an endless challenge.
@sandinyourshoes - Did some non-whites just wake up and start to hate the way that they look? No. Let's put a context to things here. Over the last 300 years, we have created an environment that tells them that they aren't beautiful the way they are BECAUSE they don't look like us. Standards of beauty are normally defined by the dominate culture, in their own image.
@sandinyourshoes - By the way, we are still adapting to our environments. Even if there is no mixing between the races, a tribe of Europeans living in a warm climate or a tribe of Africans living in a cold environment will not look the same over time.
@lovingit1000 Actually that may not be true, From what we know so far, Man began as one race in Africa. As they moved into differing regions they adapted to those regions over time.
@StTigray1 - Not sure what you are saying may not be true. But, I agree that man began as one race in Africa and then adapted to their environments as they lived in different areas of the world. Watch HUMAN FAMILY TREE if you haven't already. We are still adapting, in my opinion. I don't think adapting just suddenly stopped. So, a white tribe in a hot area will change over time, even if they mix with nobody else. The same with a black tribe in a cold area.
@lovingit1000 That is the most sane thing that I have heard in reference to politics in a long time. If more Americans thought like this then our country would be truly great but you are right. Race is a social construct to keep us divided. Have you ever noticed how even the most common sense solutions to problems in this country are approached from either party politics or "how we could screw this race over more" aspect? Yah you have hit the main point, one that needs to be shouted out loud
@StTigray1 - Thank you. This is the reason this country will fall apart, because TOO MANY can't see that we are more alike here than different AND screwing you also means I am screwing myself.
@sandinyourshoes - So, just let the bullies win because we are too much of cowards to stand up to them? I don't agree with you at all. At one time in our nation's history, poor blacks and poor whites ACTUALLY lived and worked together. We forget this. It was only when they started to ban together for rights that "race" became a big issue. We have been TAUGHT to hate each other. What has been TAUGHT can be UN TAUGHT. Racism has worked to prevent the working class from being united.
We would assume Americans brought up in the mainstream culture (i.e. upper middle class white collar small town suburbia) would think of themselves solely as "White people". Not always true, because we are raise to take pride in who we are or where we're from, or our parental/ancestral heritage. The worse thing a parent can do if their children is of a mixed-race union, or grandparents as well, is teach them to hate the people the kids/grandkids originated from, in which the scene discusses. +
@demikede1 Lots of nationality problems were affecting people's "identities" long before America existed. Look at Europe. Marry a Pole if you're German and, while in some instances that'd be fine, in other instances it was a problem. Religious matters affect that. My grandfather was Jewish and grandmother a Protestant, and it caused problems in their respective social circles. I think honestly people really just need to give identity less importance that it gets today.
Very controversial: How a mixed-race son confronts his mom on teaching him to hate or worse, self-hate himself. It's a reality millions of Americans face being mixed "black" or "white" but fall in both racial categories. Also there are white-Asians, black-Asians & white or black American Indians, & Hispanics considered Anglos by the US majority. There are half-Jews, Lebanese not Arabs, part-Hawaiians or mixed Aborigines in Australia can't decide on what ethnoracial/cultural identity they are. +
@mojomike If you think that's the most heartbreaking scene in film history, I hope I never base any of my decisions based off your movie reviews, lawl.
I wrote about this for the sake of an argument, at the end of the day, what matters is a person's own identity, whatever they choose it to be. If you want be green, blue, magenta, or w.e then it should be respected. You only live once, call yourself whatever makes you happy or you feel comfortable with.
Part 2 @ StTigray1, I noticed you said even when mixed, in the Americas, individuals mixed with black usually call personally identify as black. Well perhaps that the majority consensus in the U.S, but in most of Latin America I have seen mixed raced people like Obama's type whom don't call themselves "black," this is especially prevalent in places such as Brazil. I'm actually hard-pressed to find Latin Americans that call themselves black unless they blatantly look it. Its a matter of culture.
@AnonRep31 I "I'm actually hard-pressed to find Latin Americans that call themselves black" I on the other hand have had quite the opposite experience. But I have also seen what you have stated as well. Where there are some people that in America would not be considered Black but identify as such and I have seen those who in America would be considered Black but do not self identify as such. I have seen it most commonly in the Mid East.
@AnonRep31 "Well perhaps that the majority consensus in the U.S, but in most of Latin America I have seen mixed raced people like Obama's type whom don't call themselves "black," this is especially prevalent in places such as Brazil. I'm actually hard-pressed to find Latin Americans that call themselves black unless they blatantly look it. Its a matter of culture." Thank you! Only in America do chubby little pale kids want to call themselves 'black.'
I Put up the same clip of the movie.. (a slightly more later cut) on the 13th of sept in 2007:D
was one of the first videos I put up. titeled it "the human stain" it got me 13k views. Then I deleted it with another video since it wasn't content created by me. just nice coincidence finding this.
@DollaBiIIz lol so what is it smart arse? last time i checkedu have 2 types o jewish; ashkenazi(white) & sephardi(arabic...) i think most jewish are ashkenazi
@Lyn7721 I got to wake up in 2 hours, may we finish our discussion some other time on private message? We have completely blasted this board with comments lol
@Lyn7721 Then if you are feeling very brazen, email me a picture so that I can see if you don't mind lol Like I have said race isn't a dichotomy, if you were just a little more "white" you would potentially be called mixed or something else. There is no fixed point.
GOOGLE "African American Lives . The Science . Learning from DNA | PBS" There you go it EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT HIS RESULTS ARE 50% white 50% black. lol
Once again I said there is a correlation, not a strong one. I said that its unlikely to happen, but that someone can come out light skinned with relatively little white ancestry, but ITS UNLIKELY be sheer probability especially since they are recessive genes.
@Lyn7721 CONTINUED: So tell me this, if I were hypothetically raised by a white parent and had a mixed parent (a parent who is half black) who I never engaged contact with and I was constantly around my white family and raised by my white family, taking CULTURE into consideration, would that deem me white in you perception?
@Lyn7721 Well there is a good chance, according to your description of yourself, that I would construe you as being mixed, what is obvious to you, might not be obvious to others. I'm certain that if I saw your picture, I could attribute you to other ethnicities that are not necessarily black. Its a matter of perception, however, I would respect your black identity if you told me you were "black."
@Lyn7721 Louis Henry Gates had an admixture test done, you can google it if you want, it came out EXACTLY 50% 50% white-black. "And are you saying that mixed people can come out dark but black people with very little white can't come out lighter?"
No I'm not saying that, it just goes against what usually happens. Also take note many European phenotypical traits are recessive. It usually take more "white" genes to make a person like white, than "black" genes to make a person look black.
@Lyn7721 I didn't say how strong the correlation was, there is indeed a correlation, never said it was strong lol People have been deeming who is black and who is white based on looks for a very long time. In true, there is no black and no white, just gradations of phenotypes. From West African pitch black extreme to the Nordic Pale European extreme and then everything in between.
@Lyn7721 Like I said before, your mixed raced child can be whatever he or she they want to be culturally. Ultimately it is up to them to either take hold of the culture of their parents of to embrace a new one of their choosing. Aside from that people will judge their perceived origins depending on how they came out so some people might construe them as black some might construe them as mixed or even white etc.
@Lyn7721 Bob Marley is half white, his father was of English descent, you can google his father's picture if you wish. Like I said "black" is a matter of social perceptions and some people will agree with what you deem it to be and others will not. Your cousins are technically very likely mixed, all three, but one of them simply expressed this mixture in her phenotype. Two dark skinned parents can be mixed as you already know.
@Lyn7721 How do you know your cousin is only 50% white? Many African Americans, most in fact, carry substantial white ancestry. There is a good chance he might be more than just 50% And I said chances are that it is so, there are exceptions, but there is a correlation between how much ancestry you have and your appearance. Henry Louis Gates took an admixture test and HE is literally 50% white 50% black. Bob Marley and Obama also 50-50 white and black, they all are an intermediate mix.
@Lyn7721 I never said to call your child white. Why can't your child embrace ALL of his/her backgrounds. Why must he or she be dichotomized into black or white. Your kid is mixed and that is that. Whatever your child socially construes him or herself what be up to them.
@Lyn7721 CONTINUED: Social perceptions are you homogeneous. A mixed person that may look "black" in your eyes, may not look "black" in the eyes of another person. See Latin America for a great big reference point. Even here in the U.S you can spot the differences in perception.
@Lyn7721 I never said I know what Wentworth has called himself, I'm saying that YOU CAN choose if you so wished. You can choose culture affiliation and you can most certainly dissociate with the culture of your parents. Its up to individual choice. Regarding mixed people by the way is false, since I know many mixed people that don't look black at all. There is usually a correlation between your level of admixture and appearance, if you don't look black chances are you have little in you.
@Lyn7721 Well you are what you look. Phenotype take precedence over culture more often in this society. If you were raised by a white grandparent all of your life, but you had three black grandparents you never met, you are culturally white, but 75% black, by mainstream society you will likely be perceived as black by your looks. On a genotypical level there is no difference between the socially construed "races" and people can choose what culture to take in if they so wanted to.
@Lyn7721 CONTINUED: Also, the U.S. outdated one drop-rule methodology of construing one's race is not the only method of dealing with people of mixed ancestry. In Brazil, for example, most people that are highly mixed, many looking like Obama, don't consider themselves black. There are gradations of color that they resort to. So this one drop rule is just one way, albeit a very racist political way, of dealing with the classification of mixed raced people. Sad how some eat it up like puppets.
@Lyn7721 Ooooooh THAT'S how you construe race now? You deem someone to be black if they have close black relatives. But see here is the enigma in your reasoning, since being part black deems you black in your perspective then those phenotypically white (mixed) relatives of those white people would still be black according to you. The one drop rule is a run away train, it gets the point of sheer ridicule.
@Lyn7721 CONTINUED: I sure as hell wouldn't classify myself as black if I were as ethnically diverse as Wentworth Miller with his different ancestral backgrounds. One drop-ruling someone is unscientific an insult to the rest of your ancestry. Tell me something if you were 99% white 1% black and you know about it, would you call yourself "black?" lol I know plenty of mixed people who have black ancestry and none of them call themselves just "black."
@Lyn7721 Social constructs of being seen as back at one point during segregation or further back when the one drop rule was first implemented doesn't mean shit. He is NOT black, there is no scientific validity to it. If you were to call him black, you might as well call LITERALLY TENS OF MILLIONS OF WHITE AMERICANS BLACK. You know why? It has been show that a very substantial amount of White Americans carry recent African ancestry through admixing. Calling him black and not them is HYPOCRISY.
@FuckYou6900 Wow those terms are out of date and really offensive. Wentworth is indeed part black. Remember America's history and the one drop rule. People like to think 2011 is such a different world but in some ways it is not. Thank goodness, Wentworth Miller is proud of his black heritage and he does not deny his blackness.
I can't even put into words how angry this makes me. It breaks my heart. I get so discouraged sometimes thinking that things will never change. Sure there has been progress made but I don't know if we'll ever get to where we should be.
The scenes from this film was loaded with emotion. I normally don't care for dramas, but I will check this one out. WHOA. This is heart breaking..ugh! thank you for posting this.:^D
It's Actually Funny Wentworth, Would Portray Such A Role, His Background Decent In Real Life Is Of White/Russian/Irish/Black/Jamaican/Native American/Indian, He Has...But People Can't, Tell One Blue Eye & One Green!!!!
Americans view of race is so messed up. o.0 There is no biological foundation for race - it's only a label among many to seperate people from people. So this guy is in fact white because that's the label people would use to describe him. Race is a social construct that depends entirely on appearance...
What's so sad about this is that many light-skinned Blacks had no choice but to pass for White in the 40's, 50's and 60's because they wanted a better life for themselves, and society during those time periods was extremely hateful of brown skin (even more than now). As a Black person, I can sympathize with them because it was like living under the barrel of a shotgun 24/7.
@shannontheguy Well, I'll accept you as long as you don't deny who you are. I'm of mixed heritage with an ambiguous face as well, but people know I'm black because of how I express my culture. I still don't hide who I am. The ones who say, "Oh, I'm white bc I look white," or something along those lines when drive me insane.
@psychmaj323 Over 1 out of 3 White Americans have minuscule portions of Sub-Saharan African ancestry, an average of 2.3% of their total ancestry and they are still white. It would be a double standard to say that Wentworth is not white due to admixed recent Sub-Saharan African ancestry. Humans are all genetically linked and the only differentiation is phenotype. Wentworth is phenotypically, by far and large, white. If we go by African ancestry then ALL WHITES are black by default.
@AnonRep31 I agree 100 percent.. but in Latin America for the most part and here you have people who have RECENT African ancestry and it doesnt show or they look like something other than "black" people think to have black ancestry means broad nose and thick lips..Camila Alves is one of those types with "white" features, Adriana Lima is from the blackes part of Brazil and in Latina mag SHE said her mother is of mixed ancestry and father white.. and I am not speaking of the 2.3 percenters either.
@AnonRep31 Actually if when it comes to ancestry most African-Americans are white, because their greatgrandfathers were slave traders who raped black women. When it comes to ancestry you follow your father's lineage, it might sound sexist but you don't inherit your mothers ancestry just like you don't inherit her last name.
@boqor1000@boqor1000 I have actually heard of this argument being made before. I'm not arguing against it, but you could tell me why someone's paternal side take precedence over the maternal side. I thought that if you are a male, your father's lineage is stronger because of the Y chromosome and if you are a female, you take after the mother's mitochondrial DNA.
@AnonRep31 I'm speaking in layman's terms. Traditionally the child takes the father's race just like his last name. For example my cousin is only 1/3rd Somali but he is regarded as a full Somali because his father is. And people used to think like that back in the day as well. When Roman emperors wanted to expand their empire and conquer different lands they used to promote interracial marriage between the Roman man and the indeginous woman. (contd...)
@AnonRep31 (contd...) Their idea was basically "If we can't kill them out we'll breed them out" One good example is Latin Americans, although they are mostly brown and most of their DNA is Native, they claim to be Latinos they have lost their indeginous languages. They claim their Spanish ancestry even though they are discriminated against in Spain. It's hard to explain but that's the way I see race.
@AnonRep31 Side Note: "Sub Saharan African Ancestry" is an outdated term, that would denote Blacks only resided under the Saharan belt, modern science has more than debunked that myth... In regards to the rest of your comment, you are only seeing things from a White or non-BLack perspective, Blacks actually can see who is mixed with their race and usually even mixed we self identify with Black(in the Americas).
@StTigray1 "Blacks can usually see who is mixed with their race." Do you mean people that look like they have partially stereotypical "black" traits mixed in with the rest of their ancestry? Blacks can usually spot that, how? Every single human has a "black" ancestor lol Recent admixture with black doesn't make someone "black" anymore than your "unmixed" Caucasian or Asian whose last African ancestor was many thousands of years ago. Or do we make distinctions by percentages and gradations?
@AnonRep31 I have no idea what "Stereotypical Black traits" Any group no matter Black, Asian etc can see when a person is of their group. Im sorry this is such a common trait among any race that I have not the means to explain something so simple. In regards to Mixed people of Black ancestry, in America we "usually" self identify as Black. While we may trace ancestry to several sources, politically we identify in that fashion. I apologize if that perplexes you.
@StTigray1 Doesn't perplex me. I don't think you have realized my argument. You said that mixed people of black ancestry usually identify as black, but do you know that well over a 1 out of 3 white Americans carry RECENT black ancestry (enough that it shows in an admixture test) and, logically, all of them carry it if you go back thousands of years ago since their immigration out of Africa. The recent admixture is carried by tens of millions of them, yet they don't call themselves "black."
@AnonRep31 ????? Your point is? I would love to know what your argument is. If your looking to be obtuse, you've nailed it. Im beginning to think that you are not familiar with the U.S.
@StTigray1 My point is that if you do the math, you would actually find that the majority of "mixed" people in the U.S who have black ancestry don't actually call themselves black. Roughly 70% of the U.S out of roughly 300 million people is "white American." That's 210,000,000. 1/3 of that is 69,300,000. So in essence possibly over 70,000,000 whites are mixed with black yet call themselves white as opposed to the 12-13% African American population which is mixed all call itself black LOL
So much for the assumption that people in the U.S with some black admixture call themselves "black" LOL If you check the demographics, check DNA studies conducted on the populations of the U.S you will find out that actually most people with traces of recent black ancestry don't identify as "black" as you said is usually the case.
@AnonRep31 "So much for the assumption that people in the U.S with some black admixture call themselves "black" LOL If you check the demographics, check DNA studies conducted on the populations of the U.S you will find out that actually most people with traces of recent black ancestry don't identify as "black" as you said is usually the case." Hey, how dare you implement fact into your argument against other people's preconceived notions! That's insensitive and racist.
@AnonRep31 If you are trying to say that we are all just human, then I thoroughly agree with you. But my point is that in the U.S. people have political and cultural identities.
@StTigray1 Yes, that is pretty much what I have been trying to get at. That we are all human and that "black" and "white" is just a bunch of racial bullshit divisions. I have been beating around the bush using stats and stuff of that nature to try to get my thought across.
@AnonRep31 What you must know is America is a place that is operated by the perpetuation of race. So that is why as a human who identifies as Black it is in your best interest to know not only the variety of your own race but others as well. In order to survive. It sucks but it is forced upon us, and those of us who are mixed refuse to let ourselves be divided. I hope you understand. For us it is abt survival not racism.
@StTigray1 I believe I understand your point of view, but if there is no heterogeneous mixing within American society and allowing people to identify with their multiracial ancestry, I believe that perceived "ethnic groups" will continue to be socially dichotomized in an effort to keep everyone separate. Despite any admixture, "whites" will continue to call themselves "white" and "blacks" will continue to call themselves "black." Destroying that dichotomous perception could reduce separateness.
@StTigray1 PART 2 I think that if you have a substantial population of people identifying with multiple ancestral backgrounds, people that would have normally been dichotimized as "white" or "black," then it would be come harder to try to single out a specific perceived ethnic group since the population has become so diffused and intermixed with one another. Racism would continue to persist on some level of course, its present in places such as Brazil, but it wouldn't be as extreme in my opinion
@AnonRep31 The only problem with your viewpoint is that in America, Whites operate on such a level that is hard to explain the level of effort that they have invested in our degredation. It is not only in the media, but in the primary education establishment, legal and economic system, as well. If I could just be American I would in a heart beat, but I am not given that option.
@StTigray1 "Whites operate on such a level that is hard to explain the level of effort that they have invested in our degredation. " First off, if "whites" isn't the first word of your sentence, it doesn't deserve a capital letter. Also, your claim there, do you mean in the 100 years, or up to 50 years ago, or even until today? Because if you still believe that there's some conscious effort by "Whites" to hold down the almighty poor victimized "Blacks," or Creoles (lol sure), then you're wrong.
@StTigray1 Let's talk about some Mexicans. They come to the US, bust ass, work hard, and move up. Let's talk about Koreans. They come to the US, bust ass, work had, and move up. Let's talk about you- you're saying "people of color" are actually targeted by "the evil whitey" or some shit. Get over yourself, mate. You just said I've locked myself into some sort of mental corner whereas all I did was share a story. It's you who's got identity problems, Creole-who-assumes-you're-black.
@Tripo1iSamson If your Hispanic then you suffer from a different type of ignorance that is actually worse than good ole fashion racism. Its what we call in the Creole community "Ladling the pot scum" Its where one from another group( i.e Hispanics) who is facing the same racism and denigrations in the media, ignore it completely and and only point to another group and highlight their shortcoming in order to feel good about ones position in society. Its what we call pathetic if not cowardly.
@AnonRep31 I agree, my family is from an ethnic group called Creoles which is a mixture of three races, now we are in many parts of the world and while we are obviously mixed, we usually only marry other Creoles, if we marry outside of other Creoles we will marry Blacks. But we are very proud of our multi-ethnic heritage and celebrate it as well. But when push comes to shove our Alliance is with the Blacks. But I can assure you that we would rather just be citizens than anything else.
@StTigray1 Alliance with a capital A? Blacks with a capital B? And capital D for the Dumbass that you are. Fucking naive, pop-culture ingrained tool. Keep your mouth shut and your fingers off of a keyboard. Stop being a weak little apologist who thinks of the world in terms of "racial Alliances" and shit. Grow the fuck up, Creole boy.
@StTigray1 Indeed mate I was angry, that much is obvious. Likewise, if you think I only "sounded" a bit angry (despite being pretty clear) and yet you can't see my point, then congrats, you're daft.
@StTigray1 You just made a comment to someone that you're "proud of" your "multi-ethnic heritage," and then you contradict that by saying you'd prefer to only marry a Creole or black. Real cool. So how come your prejudices and inclusive decisions are any more morally better than my prejudices and inclusive decisions? Is it because you say that marrying blacks is what some Creoles prefer? How is that any different than a white male saying, "I'd only marry a white or Asian"?
@StTigray1 Minus the racial overtones? Mate, there were no racial overtones in that story, I was telling the truth. A phrase such as "stupid black dude who sells weed," I mean he is stupid, he is black, and sells weed. There's no "racial overtones" there. I was distinguishing his race for the purpose of the story. So whatever. Wade in the depths of my naivete? Deep, but it'll never be I who has problems just being a person, it's people who lock their thoughts into politically correct corners.
@Tripo1iSamson It has very little to do with politics, it has more to do with survival. The point of survival is something that may be difficult to understand because you do not experience this country the way that someone of color does. You have achieved what you accuse others of achieving, you have locked yourself in a cultural spectrum that wont allow you to see the world unless from a fabricated construct that isnt even of your own creation.
@StTigray1 "The point of survival is something that may be difficult to understand because you do not experience this country the way that someone of color does. You have achieved what you accuse others of achieving, you have locked yourself in a cultural spectrum that wont allow you to see the world unless from a fabricated construct that isnt even of your own creation. " Great thing to tell a hispanic. Must be because the way I typed makes you assume something about me.
@Tripo1iSamson Your responses tell me a couple of things. 1. Your lack the ability to grasp issues outside of your own experience. Either because you are willfully ignorant or that you just dont know. In either case I its futile to argue with the truly ignorant. This is what I meant by wading through your naivete. B4 we go on I have one question. Are you willfully ignorant or do you just not understand?
@StTigray1 I'm sure if I was a guy going on about the injustices of "the majority" against myself were I a "minority," that you would "see" my point admist "all that whining." I figure if I angrily express some truth about experiences in my life but I'm not a "vicitmized" subgroup then you'll try to bash my statement. Real cool man. Thanks for being understanding to your fellow humans.
@AnonRep31 "I believe that perceived "ethnic groups" will continue to be socially dichotomized in an effort to keep everyone separate." Not to take your comment out of context, I just couldn't quote the preceding lines, but here's a question- who is keeping "everyone separate"? It's not anyone but the person choosing who they surround themselves with. Don't you agree? A white person can marry anyone and vice versa, but if they decide not to then nobody forced them to choose that.
@StTigray1 On your profile you link to three websites that claim to be devoted to ending black stereotypes, and yet all the sites provide false information.
@Tripo1iSamson Provide an example of the false information that you found. This will be fun, but be warned it may prove embarrassing for you, be assured. To be fair I would suggest you stick to what you know sophmoric insults.
@StTigray1 Okay. False info one: That Africa contained gems of civilization until "guns and slavery" arrived. My rebuttal to that is look at Rwanda less than 15 years ago. Ethnic genocide done mostly with clubs and machetes, lawl. Name one other country in the world where that still happens.
@StTigray1 The websites linked to on your profile are the ones making unfounded claims, using words like "unbias" to mean "revisionist and with no sources."
@StTigray1 On one of your linked-to websites: " Spread knowledge about advanced African kingdoms and black inventors and scientists who have helped shape and change our world. This will reduce the belief that there are innate differences between people of different colors and ethnicities. " That's called an agenda. Most historians just tell it how it is, those websites you listed are poorly-designed racially-motivated pieces of crap, and that's why they aren't referenced by society.
@Tripo1iSamson Damn boy you sure are stupid. How much of your stupidity do you expect me to deal with. Well this is YT and you unfortunately are a dime a dozen. If you want to know about Advanced African civilizations then you could start with Kush, and read all the way to the Songhai and Mali civs. Actually if you want to find a place that lacks a history of advanced civs you may want to try Western and Northern Europe. Damn boy you sure are stupid.
Wentworth Miller is a race traitor, he passed for white in Prison Break and Resident Evil, if he accepts himself he should not shave or smoothing his hair.
deaditcheslav 1 week ago
This is very sad, to disown your family because you want to live as white...it had to be killing him on the inside, to live a lie, and hoping and praying daily, that no one will recognize you as a Black, and the family you came from...
BronzeSista 1 week ago
Ugh, I'm so sick of people using the "M" word like it's ok. It's an EXTREMELY deragatory term!
MissJessyeNorman 4 weeks ago
@MissJessyeNorman No, it isn't. Mulatto has never been used in the way that nigger or kike or other racial slurs were - it is a purely descriptive term, not a slur.
Einarr1989 3 weeks ago
@Einarr1989 The word was derived from the word "mule" for two reasons:
#1 A mule is the product of a horse and a donkey mating. The horse was meant to represent the "superior" Caucasion person, and the donkey the "inferior" African American person.
#2 A mule is a sterile animal. There was a sick belief, that a person of African American and Caucasian heritage is such an abomination in God's eyes, that they'd be born sterile, so that they'd be unable to pass on their "disgusting" genes.
MissJessyeNorman 3 weeks ago
"We, the White Delegation, choose, the actor not a rapper, Wentworth Miller!"
It's THE RACIAL DRAFT from Chappelle Show y'all
savagegalt 1 month ago
@KSGXFOREVER
Italians have black ancestry
2323bw 1 month ago
@KSGXFOREVER Sure. And Africa's paradise on earth. This movie was utter shit.
Tripo1iSamson 2 months ago
i've been looking for this movie :(
jacquimonet 3 months ago
Yes. This scene made me cry too. Even though I hear so many people so that they don't see color. Race matters in America.
2993Jaz 4 months ago
there's no excuse for miscegenation, it brings problems, stick to your own race and live in peace.
HaBenOni 4 months ago
@HaBenOni,Shut up you racist asshole. What about the love between 2 people? Huh you Fucking scumbag!?!?!?
98bigbutt 3 months ago
@98bigbutt Haha, so typical of a 30 yr old LiIberal like you, are you jewish by any chance? labelling people 'racist' is getting old now, Miscegenation is murder, every race deserves to live, yes. But there's no excuse for mixing. The Human being concept is stupid, so can a Hare and a rabbit reporoduce simply because they're 'Animals'?? I didn't think so.
HaBenOni 3 months ago
@HaBenOni,You're really a racist asshole for giving me this analogy. You must a KKK loving racist redneck asshole.
98bigbutt 3 months ago
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"We, the White Delegation, choose, the actor not a rapper, Wentworth Miller!"
It's THE RACIAL DRAFT from Chappelle Show y'all
savagegalt 1 month ago
fuck the creoles, pure racial pride=ftw
DeadIslandTrailers 4 months ago
@mokomike I agree, the film is not perfect, but this scene is so amazing and genuinely heartbreaking. Anna Deavere Smith should have been nominated for an Oscar. I wish Miller made more films
peacebwoy 5 months ago 2
but that's what happened. I broke a rib, had a concussion, and lost vision in my right eye for a day after that fight. When I told my father about it, he told me not to mess with other people's girls. Fair enough. That's the world, I guess. Sad place, and I fear that perhaps the most ruthless or violent people in America get rewarded for their behavior more than someone who is conservative or deliberated in their actions and words. So be it. ~
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@Tripo1iSamson btw i just read your story and if true i sympathize and agree (minus the racial over tones). that is a lesson that i have learned as well. Regardless of the outcome of this ill fated argument between us you have my respect for attempting to intervene, but i had to learn that sometimes you cannot save some folks.
StTigray1 6 months ago
@StTigray1 Political correctness has a lot to do with racial issues. Survival, eh? Yeah, sure.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@StTigray1 And do me a favor and answer me this, in that story I told, what were the "racial overtones"?
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
getting in a stupid fight over a girl who was not intelligent enough to reciprocate my willingness to be decent to a person I date. I realized that I had no reason to feel sad or bad, but rather, I'm just surrounded by a few good old idiots, and that I made a pretty dumb decision by convincing myself it was even possible to get a fickle girl to be honest with herself and with me, and to exhibit enough willpower to get rid of an abusive, black, criminal boyfriend. Long story told for no purpose,
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
text, poorly-worded, even worse was the spelling. But she expressed to me that she was going to break up with me, go out with that guy, because he said he'd kill me. I'm a bit of a cynic, or a skeptic, so I doubt that was her only true motivation for dumping me and going back to dating a guy who liked to hit girls. So I told her to go to hell, and that was the last we talked. I realized then that I didn't actually operate in any way that contradicted my goal or any weak-willed way, other than
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
I was extremely happy to be dating that girl, and I thought she and I were on similar levels. But a week later, I discovered that that guy had been texting her constantly, and she exhibited some crappy fidelity by talking to him, and he was informing her of his intention to "kill me" if she wouldn't date him. Well that's obviously a race to the bottom if Sir Black had done this, as if you murder someone, odds are you get locked up. Especially when it's over a girl. She broke up with me with a
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
insulting names, as that is not what I wanted to do then. I did, however, get loaded up on legal uppers and go try to kick this guy's ass, which failed miserably for me. I showed up at the girl's house, the guy stepped outside, I hit him in the face once, and it was downhill from there. Three or so days later, the girl dumped him and went out with me, despite me having miserably lost a fight. I weigh 135 and am 5 foot 11. This guy is at least 240 and is about 6 foot 2. Didn't matter though, as
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
This massive black dude was dating a white girl, who he'd assaulted, who was scared of him, who was so hopelessly ignorant and weak-willed that she would not change her mind and leave the guy, despite confiding in me and others that she did not like or love him. Me and that girl developed a rapport and eventually came to like each other. When her then-boyfriend discovered her plan to break up with him, he threatened me via a phone. I didn't say any threats over a phone, I didn't call him any
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
Also, it's not like when segregation laws were in place all people took advantage of that. Likewise, the inverse is that hate-crime laws get created- well just because something's a law doesn't mean someone will listen or obey it. You still have racists today, and likewise, when it was still legally okay to own a slave in parts of the US, there were still people who, despite what the law said, decided it was wrong. Smart people, good people, and some bad people. Things are not so one-sided.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
One often hears of the evil deeds of whites perpetrated against blacks in the US- but surely it wasn't all whites. Before Jim Crow laws were repealed, lots of whites (along with lots of blacks and others) must have decided they were illogical and bad. Pretty simple. For instance, what about the underground railroad, and the "contemporary" Christian movements of the 1700 and 1800's that claimed all people were equal, race aside? They get less credit than they should.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
Nobody with sense considers "racial tribalism" or "identity politics" to be a good thing, though it seems to actually be the media and pop-culture outlets of the US that spread notions that cause modern-day "white guilt" while giving some blacks a chance to feel like a victim. It's illogical, and unfair to whites and blacks.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
about any place or person, but the point stands, you can take the stupid deed away from a culture, but it doesn't make that culture any less stupid. You could put a southerner up on a stage and claim that it's the height of culture, but it's not. Likewise, putting Snoop Dogg into the brains of developing white kids doesn't make it cool either. It just makes everyone used to it.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
for weed possession, who's plan to make enough money to live with his white girlfriend under her white mom's roof is to...guess what...continue selling weed. So obviously in 2 years, that girl's going to be fat, full of kids, and unhappy. And she actually deserves that, because she is forcing herself to date a dude she doesn't like, doesn't fit in with, doesn't have anything in common with, solely because she thinks that's what is expected. You can change things in the south, about the south,
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
damn modernizing to do- and nowadays, since the south was obviously a bastion of stupidity and iniquity, dumb little white trash girls literally force themselves to be with abusive black dudes solely because of their (the girl's) preconceived notions about race and whatnot. I know this dumb welfare-addict white single mother with no job, who's lettering her just-18 pothead white "high school graduate" daughter live with a 21-year old obese black dude who's already choked the girl, been to jail
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
some stupid half-Spanish Anglicized word in order to justify their convoluted beliefs. I prefer just being myself, not having to say nigga to feel cool, and not bowing down to any fucking person just because pop culture keeps saying I should. Ironic. You gotta love the white trash south- under democrat control, they made Jim Crow laws and whatnot, and nobody remembers that, somehow it's all republicans that are "on the wrong side" of "civil rights." So obviously back when southerners had some
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
It's like pop culture and political correctness is literally a fucking prison. I keep seeing white kids awkwardly say "nigga" if they're around a black kid they either outnumber or outsize- but the white kids aren't doing it to be mean, they're trying to be cool, but are being pussies. Whenever I say, wtf, why do you say that, their responses are unanimous- oh, well, I'm not racist, so I can say nigga in a really high pitched voice and be cool about it. Then they force themselves to keep saying
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
The never-said thoughts in pussy teenager's minds regarding race are this: "woah, I'm not black, so that means I somehow have it a billion times better than any black person, but that means I'm bad and need to try to constantly identify with black people, all the while revealing how stupid I am because I really only look at people by their race, and not objectively or without preconceived cultural guilt. Maybe if I say nigga when there's only one black kid around I'll look cool."
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
I really don't get the whole thing with race being so fucking serious in a bunch of normal white kid's lives. Fucking tools. I love how the latest generation of low-self-esteeming white kids rectifies their "guilt" that was pushed onto them by other whites in media and various outlets of culture- I keep meeting pale, short, skinny, bug-eyed, weird and stupid WHITE kids who think the way to make themselves cool is to call black people "niggas" in order to sound "in" and "cool." Real neat. Tools.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
wow this looks bad
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
Wentworth Miller is so fine!
ValleyGyrlTV 6 months ago
Yes, most sub-Saharan Africans are range from dark brown to yellowish light brown.
But that man is obviously mixed-race and genetically no more than 1/4-1/3 sub-Saharan African.
DaTruth2024 6 months ago
A black person doesn't always supposed to have black skin you know.
ESUTERURE 7 months ago
This is a perfect example of how mixing often does not work. Is it immoral? No, of course not. However, we cannot deny that racial and cultural identities cannot be easily thrown in the garbage can. No one gets away with it. Cole was struggling so hard with the decision to drop his black roots. Sure, he looked white and felt white, and that is enough to make him white, but his relatives were another story. Mama was in tears right away, and just notice how pissed Walt was with his brother!
sandinyourshoes 8 months ago
@sandinyourshoes Your thinking is flawed in that you blame the victim and not the system in which this type of bigotry is rampant. In essence your statement would blame a girl who was date raped on " teenage romance" rather than the misogyny and the gratification of power of the rapist.
StTigray1 8 months ago
"The system," StTigray1? Everyone is a part of “the system,” because everyone belongs to some kind of culture. It goes with us wherever we go. It shows in the way we look. Cole’s mother made this point clear by asking him if he considered that he would be taking a chance if he and his girl thought of having children. They might not turn out as white as he would hope, and then how could the issue be explained? It is not good to see the world only through rose-colored glasses.
sandinyourshoes 8 months ago
@sandinyourshoes - The "system" is supported by the main people who are oppressed by the "system" because they actually think race matters in this country. It doesn't. The only color that matters in this "system" is green. Black and white and everything else keeps the little people fighting each other.
lovingit1000 8 months ago
@lovingit1000, ideally, it would be great if race never mattered, but it is being in denial to actually believe things are that simple. People around the world have traditions and cultural values that they will not just throw away based on wanting to mix with other races or based on other reasons.
It is often non-whites who want to "improve their race" by mixing with whites. Many do not even want children who look like them. They want lighter or white-looking children.
sandinyourshoes 8 months ago
@sandinyourshoes You are speaking of the psychological effects of colonialism, not an innate physiological predisposition. If you study history you will find that there were times when White was considered innately inferior, due to their paleness. If you doubt me, study what the Romans, Arabs, and Greeks thought of Europeans. It's essentially what a White bigot would say about Blacks now. You forget that the word Slave came from Slav, Whites were considered the slave race of ancient times.
StTigray1 8 months ago
@StTigray1, oh, I would believe you. History is so deep. Nevertheless, the tables were turned.
sandinyourshoes 8 months ago
@sandinyourshoes The tables always turn it is the nature of history. every group has been on top at one time or another and every group has been the enslaver at some time. The pattern of Human History
StTigray1 8 months ago
@StTigray1, it just shows that no one is innocent.
sandinyourshoes 8 months ago
@sandinyourshoes I agree, but we must try for even though human history has been brutal, there have been societies as diverse as ours that lived in relative peace for centuries. Very few if any Mega Empires of the past were homogenous, Their very survival depended on the cohesiveness of their empires and the lack of it usually brought their fall. I.E. Rome, Carthage, etc I fear America will join that list
StTigray1 7 months ago
Yes, StTigray1, to be homogenous really must have been very rare for any kingdoms or empires. I bet Africans went to Persia, and people from Tibet did see Arabia, etc. Man can be very nomadic.
sandinyourshoes 7 months ago
@sandinyourshoes Yes Western Historians are just beginning to Learn that, since we have begun to read the texts of ancient historians
StTigray1 7 months ago
@StTigray1, I just wonder how far back recorded history can go.
sandinyourshoes 7 months ago
@sandinyourshoes The answer to that question is changing all the time. The more we find the more we realize that man was far more advanced at an earlier periods than we thought. I.E. We thought that the Egyptians or the Mesopatamians were the forerunners of civilization, but now we are uncovering texts that show that civilizations were advanced long before Egypt came into existence. We now know that Egypt at one time was a colony planted by a previous Civilization.
StTigray1 7 months ago
@sandinyourshoes - Murder will always happen, does that mean we should just let people get away with it? If some/most people aren't trying to live in the ideal situation, then this world is screwed. No, everything can't be perfect here. But, that shouldn't stop us from trying.
No matter what we want to believe, traditions and cultural values DO change over time. What is old was once new. If we can't learn to evolve/improve/adapt, we will become the dinosaur.
lovingit1000 8 months ago
@lovingit1000, Mama called Cole a murderer. That was strong, as it could have meant many different things. Was he killing her love and himself? I guess it is how we see it.
I do believe man will always try to get better. It is an endless challenge.
sandinyourshoes 8 months ago
@sandinyourshoes - Did some non-whites just wake up and start to hate the way that they look? No. Let's put a context to things here. Over the last 300 years, we have created an environment that tells them that they aren't beautiful the way they are BECAUSE they don't look like us. Standards of beauty are normally defined by the dominate culture, in their own image.
lovingit1000 8 months ago
@sandinyourshoes - By the way, we are still adapting to our environments. Even if there is no mixing between the races, a tribe of Europeans living in a warm climate or a tribe of Africans living in a cold environment will not look the same over time.
lovingit1000 8 months ago
@lovingit1000 Actually that may not be true, From what we know so far, Man began as one race in Africa. As they moved into differing regions they adapted to those regions over time.
StTigray1 7 months ago
@StTigray1 - Not sure what you are saying may not be true. But, I agree that man began as one race in Africa and then adapted to their environments as they lived in different areas of the world. Watch HUMAN FAMILY TREE if you haven't already. We are still adapting, in my opinion. I don't think adapting just suddenly stopped. So, a white tribe in a hot area will change over time, even if they mix with nobody else. The same with a black tribe in a cold area.
lovingit1000 7 months ago
@lovingit1000 My bad We agree Im sorry
StTigray1 7 months ago
@lovingit1000 That is the most sane thing that I have heard in reference to politics in a long time. If more Americans thought like this then our country would be truly great but you are right. Race is a social construct to keep us divided. Have you ever noticed how even the most common sense solutions to problems in this country are approached from either party politics or "how we could screw this race over more" aspect? Yah you have hit the main point, one that needs to be shouted out loud
StTigray1 8 months ago
@StTigray1 - Thank you. This is the reason this country will fall apart, because TOO MANY can't see that we are more alike here than different AND screwing you also means I am screwing myself.
lovingit1000 8 months ago
@StTigray1 - Completely agree with you!
lovingit1000 8 months ago
@sandinyourshoes - So, just let the bullies win because we are too much of cowards to stand up to them? I don't agree with you at all. At one time in our nation's history, poor blacks and poor whites ACTUALLY lived and worked together. We forget this. It was only when they started to ban together for rights that "race" became a big issue. We have been TAUGHT to hate each other. What has been TAUGHT can be UN TAUGHT. Racism has worked to prevent the working class from being united.
lovingit1000 8 months ago
@lovingit1000, I find most hate to be self hate.
sandinyourshoes 8 months ago
wow hes good! i almost hated him from this scene
dannyrambo1 8 months ago
We would assume Americans brought up in the mainstream culture (i.e. upper middle class white collar small town suburbia) would think of themselves solely as "White people". Not always true, because we are raise to take pride in who we are or where we're from, or our parental/ancestral heritage. The worse thing a parent can do if their children is of a mixed-race union, or grandparents as well, is teach them to hate the people the kids/grandkids originated from, in which the scene discusses. +
demikede1 8 months ago 2
@demikede1 Lots of nationality problems were affecting people's "identities" long before America existed. Look at Europe. Marry a Pole if you're German and, while in some instances that'd be fine, in other instances it was a problem. Religious matters affect that. My grandfather was Jewish and grandmother a Protestant, and it caused problems in their respective social circles. I think honestly people really just need to give identity less importance that it gets today.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
Very controversial: How a mixed-race son confronts his mom on teaching him to hate or worse, self-hate himself. It's a reality millions of Americans face being mixed "black" or "white" but fall in both racial categories. Also there are white-Asians, black-Asians & white or black American Indians, & Hispanics considered Anglos by the US majority. There are half-Jews, Lebanese not Arabs, part-Hawaiians or mixed Aborigines in Australia can't decide on what ethnoracial/cultural identity they are. +
demikede1 8 months ago
This is the most heartbreaking scene in film history in my opinion. So sad to hide who you really are to fit in.
mojomike 9 months ago 8
@mojomike If you think that's the most heartbreaking scene in film history, I hope I never base any of my decisions based off your movie reviews, lawl.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@mojomike it really is but when ur in there shoes in a certain part of town u feel sorry n understanding.
purpleheart300 5 months ago
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I wrote about this for the sake of an argument, at the end of the day, what matters is a person's own identity, whatever they choose it to be. If you want be green, blue, magenta, or w.e then it should be respected. You only live once, call yourself whatever makes you happy or you feel comfortable with.
AnonRep31 9 months ago
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AnonRep31 9 months ago
Part 2 @ StTigray1, I noticed you said even when mixed, in the Americas, individuals mixed with black usually call personally identify as black. Well perhaps that the majority consensus in the U.S, but in most of Latin America I have seen mixed raced people like Obama's type whom don't call themselves "black," this is especially prevalent in places such as Brazil. I'm actually hard-pressed to find Latin Americans that call themselves black unless they blatantly look it. Its a matter of culture.
AnonRep31 9 months ago
@AnonRep31 I "I'm actually hard-pressed to find Latin Americans that call themselves black" I on the other hand have had quite the opposite experience. But I have also seen what you have stated as well. Where there are some people that in America would not be considered Black but identify as such and I have seen those who in America would be considered Black but do not self identify as such. I have seen it most commonly in the Mid East.
StTigray1 9 months ago
@AnonRep31 "Well perhaps that the majority consensus in the U.S, but in most of Latin America I have seen mixed raced people like Obama's type whom don't call themselves "black," this is especially prevalent in places such as Brazil. I'm actually hard-pressed to find Latin Americans that call themselves black unless they blatantly look it. Its a matter of culture." Thank you! Only in America do chubby little pale kids want to call themselves 'black.'
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
if he was my son i would fucking beat him up
Tvrkan 9 months ago
I Put up the same clip of the movie.. (a slightly more later cut) on the 13th of sept in 2007:D
was one of the first videos I put up. titeled it "the human stain" it got me 13k views. Then I deleted it with another video since it wasn't content created by me. just nice coincidence finding this.
allschoolreject 9 months ago
i saw it on bbc1 really awesome film
ashken79 10 months ago
Where can you get this movie from?
BeautifulBelovedOne 11 months ago
Jewish isn't white.
DollaBiIIz 11 months ago
@DollaBiIIz lol so what is it smart arse? last time i checkedu have 2 types o jewish; ashkenazi(white) & sephardi(arabic...) i think most jewish are ashkenazi
NicKingPapiChulo 10 months ago
@DollaBiIIz, some say it is, and some say it isn't. Most people I see who are linked with being Jewish are white, and this includes Michael Douglass.
sandinyourshoes 8 months ago
@Lyn7721 I got to wake up in 2 hours, may we finish our discussion some other time on private message? We have completely blasted this board with comments lol
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 Then if you are feeling very brazen, email me a picture so that I can see if you don't mind lol Like I have said race isn't a dichotomy, if you were just a little more "white" you would potentially be called mixed or something else. There is no fixed point.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
GOOGLE "African American Lives . The Science . Learning from DNA | PBS" There you go it EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT HIS RESULTS ARE 50% white 50% black. lol
Once again I said there is a correlation, not a strong one. I said that its unlikely to happen, but that someone can come out light skinned with relatively little white ancestry, but ITS UNLIKELY be sheer probability especially since they are recessive genes.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 CONTINUED: So tell me this, if I were hypothetically raised by a white parent and had a mixed parent (a parent who is half black) who I never engaged contact with and I was constantly around my white family and raised by my white family, taking CULTURE into consideration, would that deem me white in you perception?
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 Well there is a good chance, according to your description of yourself, that I would construe you as being mixed, what is obvious to you, might not be obvious to others. I'm certain that if I saw your picture, I could attribute you to other ethnicities that are not necessarily black. Its a matter of perception, however, I would respect your black identity if you told me you were "black."
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 Louis Henry Gates had an admixture test done, you can google it if you want, it came out EXACTLY 50% 50% white-black. "And are you saying that mixed people can come out dark but black people with very little white can't come out lighter?"
No I'm not saying that, it just goes against what usually happens. Also take note many European phenotypical traits are recessive. It usually take more "white" genes to make a person like white, than "black" genes to make a person look black.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@AnonRep31 person look white*
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 I didn't say how strong the correlation was, there is indeed a correlation, never said it was strong lol People have been deeming who is black and who is white based on looks for a very long time. In true, there is no black and no white, just gradations of phenotypes. From West African pitch black extreme to the Nordic Pale European extreme and then everything in between.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 Like I said before, your mixed raced child can be whatever he or she they want to be culturally. Ultimately it is up to them to either take hold of the culture of their parents of to embrace a new one of their choosing. Aside from that people will judge their perceived origins depending on how they came out so some people might construe them as black some might construe them as mixed or even white etc.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 Bob Marley is half white, his father was of English descent, you can google his father's picture if you wish. Like I said "black" is a matter of social perceptions and some people will agree with what you deem it to be and others will not. Your cousins are technically very likely mixed, all three, but one of them simply expressed this mixture in her phenotype. Two dark skinned parents can be mixed as you already know.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 How do you know your cousin is only 50% white? Many African Americans, most in fact, carry substantial white ancestry. There is a good chance he might be more than just 50% And I said chances are that it is so, there are exceptions, but there is a correlation between how much ancestry you have and your appearance. Henry Louis Gates took an admixture test and HE is literally 50% white 50% black. Bob Marley and Obama also 50-50 white and black, they all are an intermediate mix.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 I never said to call your child white. Why can't your child embrace ALL of his/her backgrounds. Why must he or she be dichotomized into black or white. Your kid is mixed and that is that. Whatever your child socially construes him or herself what be up to them.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@AnonRep31 will*
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 CONTINUED: Social perceptions are you homogeneous. A mixed person that may look "black" in your eyes, may not look "black" in the eyes of another person. See Latin America for a great big reference point. Even here in the U.S you can spot the differences in perception.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@AnonRep31 Social perceptions are NOT homogeneous (typo)
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 I never said I know what Wentworth has called himself, I'm saying that YOU CAN choose if you so wished. You can choose culture affiliation and you can most certainly dissociate with the culture of your parents. Its up to individual choice. Regarding mixed people by the way is false, since I know many mixed people that don't look black at all. There is usually a correlation between your level of admixture and appearance, if you don't look black chances are you have little in you.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 Well you are what you look. Phenotype take precedence over culture more often in this society. If you were raised by a white grandparent all of your life, but you had three black grandparents you never met, you are culturally white, but 75% black, by mainstream society you will likely be perceived as black by your looks. On a genotypical level there is no difference between the socially construed "races" and people can choose what culture to take in if they so wanted to.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 CONTINUED: Also, the U.S. outdated one drop-rule methodology of construing one's race is not the only method of dealing with people of mixed ancestry. In Brazil, for example, most people that are highly mixed, many looking like Obama, don't consider themselves black. There are gradations of color that they resort to. So this one drop rule is just one way, albeit a very racist political way, of dealing with the classification of mixed raced people. Sad how some eat it up like puppets.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 Ooooooh THAT'S how you construe race now? You deem someone to be black if they have close black relatives. But see here is the enigma in your reasoning, since being part black deems you black in your perspective then those phenotypically white (mixed) relatives of those white people would still be black according to you. The one drop rule is a run away train, it gets the point of sheer ridicule.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 CONTINUED: I sure as hell wouldn't classify myself as black if I were as ethnically diverse as Wentworth Miller with his different ancestral backgrounds. One drop-ruling someone is unscientific an insult to the rest of your ancestry. Tell me something if you were 99% white 1% black and you know about it, would you call yourself "black?" lol I know plenty of mixed people who have black ancestry and none of them call themselves just "black."
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@Lyn7721 Social constructs of being seen as back at one point during segregation or further back when the one drop rule was first implemented doesn't mean shit. He is NOT black, there is no scientific validity to it. If you were to call him black, you might as well call LITERALLY TENS OF MILLIONS OF WHITE AMERICANS BLACK. You know why? It has been show that a very substantial amount of White Americans carry recent African ancestry through admixing. Calling him black and not them is HYPOCRISY.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
This is the male version of "Imitaion of Life"
Magic9053 1 year ago
Wentworth is mulatto in real life?
sexymixed13 1 year ago
@sexymixed13 Quadroon or Octoroon depending on your sources. His father is mixed with a few ethnic backgrounds.
FuckYou6900 1 year ago
@FuckYou6900 Wow those terms are out of date and really offensive. Wentworth is indeed part black. Remember America's history and the one drop rule. People like to think 2011 is such a different world but in some ways it is not. Thank goodness, Wentworth Miller is proud of his black heritage and he does not deny his blackness.
JordanjamesX 9 months ago
Great story. Bad acting! REALLY BAD, like they are reading cue cards.
BrickLaneBetty 1 year ago
I can't even put into words how angry this makes me. It breaks my heart. I get so discouraged sometimes thinking that things will never change. Sure there has been progress made but I don't know if we'll ever get to where we should be.
NikkiP09 1 year ago
The scenes from this film was loaded with emotion. I normally don't care for dramas, but I will check this one out. WHOA. This is heart breaking..ugh! thank you for posting this.:^D
Mzrougepoupee 1 year ago
It's Actually Funny Wentworth, Would Portray Such A Role, His Background Decent In Real Life Is Of White/Russian/Irish/Black/Jamaican/Native American/Indian, He Has...But People Can't, Tell One Blue Eye & One Green!!!!
Mj4Eternity58 1 year ago
Americans view of race is so messed up. o.0 There is no biological foundation for race - it's only a label among many to seperate people from people. So this guy is in fact white because that's the label people would use to describe him. Race is a social construct that depends entirely on appearance...
mieroth 1 year ago
What's so sad about this is that many light-skinned Blacks had no choice but to pass for White in the 40's, 50's and 60's because they wanted a better life for themselves, and society during those time periods was extremely hateful of brown skin (even more than now). As a Black person, I can sympathize with them because it was like living under the barrel of a shotgun 24/7.
JumpStreet1983 1 year ago
@JumpStreet1983 Black is just a descriptive word, unless it's at the beginning of a sentence, it doesn't deserve to be capitalized.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@shannontheguy Well, I'll accept you as long as you don't deny who you are. I'm of mixed heritage with an ambiguous face as well, but people know I'm black because of how I express my culture. I still don't hide who I am. The ones who say, "Oh, I'm white bc I look white," or something along those lines when drive me insane.
dubbsakamelodee 1 year ago
@psychmaj323 Over 1 out of 3 White Americans have minuscule portions of Sub-Saharan African ancestry, an average of 2.3% of their total ancestry and they are still white. It would be a double standard to say that Wentworth is not white due to admixed recent Sub-Saharan African ancestry. Humans are all genetically linked and the only differentiation is phenotype. Wentworth is phenotypically, by far and large, white. If we go by African ancestry then ALL WHITES are black by default.
AnonRep31 1 year ago 6
@AnonRep31 I agree 100 percent.. but in Latin America for the most part and here you have people who have RECENT African ancestry and it doesnt show or they look like something other than "black" people think to have black ancestry means broad nose and thick lips..Camila Alves is one of those types with "white" features, Adriana Lima is from the blackes part of Brazil and in Latina mag SHE said her mother is of mixed ancestry and father white.. and I am not speaking of the 2.3 percenters either.
guapgueezee 1 year ago
@AnonRep31 Actually if when it comes to ancestry most African-Americans are white, because their greatgrandfathers were slave traders who raped black women. When it comes to ancestry you follow your father's lineage, it might sound sexist but you don't inherit your mothers ancestry just like you don't inherit her last name.
boqor1000 1 year ago
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AnonRep31 1 year ago
@boqor1000 @boqor1000 I have actually heard of this argument being made before. I'm not arguing against it, but you could tell me why someone's paternal side take precedence over the maternal side. I thought that if you are a male, your father's lineage is stronger because of the Y chromosome and if you are a female, you take after the mother's mitochondrial DNA.
AnonRep31 1 year ago
@AnonRep31 I'm speaking in layman's terms. Traditionally the child takes the father's race just like his last name. For example my cousin is only 1/3rd Somali but he is regarded as a full Somali because his father is. And people used to think like that back in the day as well. When Roman emperors wanted to expand their empire and conquer different lands they used to promote interracial marriage between the Roman man and the indeginous woman. (contd...)
boqor1000 1 year ago
@AnonRep31 (contd...) Their idea was basically "If we can't kill them out we'll breed them out" One good example is Latin Americans, although they are mostly brown and most of their DNA is Native, they claim to be Latinos they have lost their indeginous languages. They claim their Spanish ancestry even though they are discriminated against in Spain. It's hard to explain but that's the way I see race.
boqor1000 1 year ago
@AnonRep31 Side Note: "Sub Saharan African Ancestry" is an outdated term, that would denote Blacks only resided under the Saharan belt, modern science has more than debunked that myth... In regards to the rest of your comment, you are only seeing things from a White or non-BLack perspective, Blacks actually can see who is mixed with their race and usually even mixed we self identify with Black(in the Americas).
StTigray1 9 months ago
@StTigray1 "Blacks can usually see who is mixed with their race." Do you mean people that look like they have partially stereotypical "black" traits mixed in with the rest of their ancestry? Blacks can usually spot that, how? Every single human has a "black" ancestor lol Recent admixture with black doesn't make someone "black" anymore than your "unmixed" Caucasian or Asian whose last African ancestor was many thousands of years ago. Or do we make distinctions by percentages and gradations?
AnonRep31 9 months ago
@AnonRep31 I have no idea what "Stereotypical Black traits" Any group no matter Black, Asian etc can see when a person is of their group. Im sorry this is such a common trait among any race that I have not the means to explain something so simple. In regards to Mixed people of Black ancestry, in America we "usually" self identify as Black. While we may trace ancestry to several sources, politically we identify in that fashion. I apologize if that perplexes you.
StTigray1 9 months ago
@StTigray1 Doesn't perplex me. I don't think you have realized my argument. You said that mixed people of black ancestry usually identify as black, but do you know that well over a 1 out of 3 white Americans carry RECENT black ancestry (enough that it shows in an admixture test) and, logically, all of them carry it if you go back thousands of years ago since their immigration out of Africa. The recent admixture is carried by tens of millions of them, yet they don't call themselves "black."
AnonRep31 9 months ago
@AnonRep31 ????? Your point is? I would love to know what your argument is. If your looking to be obtuse, you've nailed it. Im beginning to think that you are not familiar with the U.S.
StTigray1 9 months ago
@StTigray1 My point is that if you do the math, you would actually find that the majority of "mixed" people in the U.S who have black ancestry don't actually call themselves black. Roughly 70% of the U.S out of roughly 300 million people is "white American." That's 210,000,000. 1/3 of that is 69,300,000. So in essence possibly over 70,000,000 whites are mixed with black yet call themselves white as opposed to the 12-13% African American population which is mixed all call itself black LOL
AnonRep31 9 months ago
So much for the assumption that people in the U.S with some black admixture call themselves "black" LOL If you check the demographics, check DNA studies conducted on the populations of the U.S you will find out that actually most people with traces of recent black ancestry don't identify as "black" as you said is usually the case.
AnonRep31 9 months ago
@AnonRep31 Im sorry but there is quite abit that you do not understand about the U.S. You could be a proponent of any stat you would like.
StTigray1 9 months ago
@AnonRep31 "So much for the assumption that people in the U.S with some black admixture call themselves "black" LOL If you check the demographics, check DNA studies conducted on the populations of the U.S you will find out that actually most people with traces of recent black ancestry don't identify as "black" as you said is usually the case." Hey, how dare you implement fact into your argument against other people's preconceived notions! That's insensitive and racist.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
Google the study "How White Are Blacks? How Black Are Whites?" And you'll see what I'm talking about.
AnonRep31 9 months ago
@AnonRep31 If you are trying to say that we are all just human, then I thoroughly agree with you. But my point is that in the U.S. people have political and cultural identities.
StTigray1 9 months ago
@StTigray1 Yes, that is pretty much what I have been trying to get at. That we are all human and that "black" and "white" is just a bunch of racial bullshit divisions. I have been beating around the bush using stats and stuff of that nature to try to get my thought across.
AnonRep31 9 months ago
@AnonRep31 What you must know is America is a place that is operated by the perpetuation of race. So that is why as a human who identifies as Black it is in your best interest to know not only the variety of your own race but others as well. In order to survive. It sucks but it is forced upon us, and those of us who are mixed refuse to let ourselves be divided. I hope you understand. For us it is abt survival not racism.
StTigray1 9 months ago
@StTigray1 I believe I understand your point of view, but if there is no heterogeneous mixing within American society and allowing people to identify with their multiracial ancestry, I believe that perceived "ethnic groups" will continue to be socially dichotomized in an effort to keep everyone separate. Despite any admixture, "whites" will continue to call themselves "white" and "blacks" will continue to call themselves "black." Destroying that dichotomous perception could reduce separateness.
AnonRep31 9 months ago
@StTigray1 PART 2 I think that if you have a substantial population of people identifying with multiple ancestral backgrounds, people that would have normally been dichotimized as "white" or "black," then it would be come harder to try to single out a specific perceived ethnic group since the population has become so diffused and intermixed with one another. Racism would continue to persist on some level of course, its present in places such as Brazil, but it wouldn't be as extreme in my opinion
AnonRep31 9 months ago
@AnonRep31 The only problem with your viewpoint is that in America, Whites operate on such a level that is hard to explain the level of effort that they have invested in our degredation. It is not only in the media, but in the primary education establishment, legal and economic system, as well. If I could just be American I would in a heart beat, but I am not given that option.
StTigray1 9 months ago
@StTigray1 "Whites operate on such a level that is hard to explain the level of effort that they have invested in our degredation. " First off, if "whites" isn't the first word of your sentence, it doesn't deserve a capital letter. Also, your claim there, do you mean in the 100 years, or up to 50 years ago, or even until today? Because if you still believe that there's some conscious effort by "Whites" to hold down the almighty poor victimized "Blacks," or Creoles (lol sure), then you're wrong.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@Tripo1iSamson It is one thing to debate and address an opposite opinion, it is quite another to expect one to wade in the depths of your naivete.
StTigray1 6 months ago
@StTigray1 Let's talk about some Mexicans. They come to the US, bust ass, work hard, and move up. Let's talk about Koreans. They come to the US, bust ass, work had, and move up. Let's talk about you- you're saying "people of color" are actually targeted by "the evil whitey" or some shit. Get over yourself, mate. You just said I've locked myself into some sort of mental corner whereas all I did was share a story. It's you who's got identity problems, Creole-who-assumes-you're-black.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
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StTigray1 6 months ago
@Tripo1iSamson If your Hispanic then you suffer from a different type of ignorance that is actually worse than good ole fashion racism. Its what we call in the Creole community "Ladling the pot scum" Its where one from another group( i.e Hispanics) who is facing the same racism and denigrations in the media, ignore it completely and and only point to another group and highlight their shortcoming in order to feel good about ones position in society. Its what we call pathetic if not cowardly.
StTigray1 6 months ago
@StTigray1 You're fucking daft, creole or not.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@AnonRep31 I agree, my family is from an ethnic group called Creoles which is a mixture of three races, now we are in many parts of the world and while we are obviously mixed, we usually only marry other Creoles, if we marry outside of other Creoles we will marry Blacks. But we are very proud of our multi-ethnic heritage and celebrate it as well. But when push comes to shove our Alliance is with the Blacks. But I can assure you that we would rather just be citizens than anything else.
StTigray1 9 months ago 4
@StTigray1 What? "But when push comes to shove our Alliance is with the Blacks" Wtf garbage are you spewing fucktard?
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@StTigray1 Alliance with a capital A? Blacks with a capital B? And capital D for the Dumbass that you are. Fucking naive, pop-culture ingrained tool. Keep your mouth shut and your fingers off of a keyboard. Stop being a weak little apologist who thinks of the world in terms of "racial Alliances" and shit. Grow the fuck up, Creole boy.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@Tripo1iSamson LOL you sound a bit angry........btw I cant see your point in the midst of all that whining.
StTigray1 6 months ago
@StTigray1 Indeed mate I was angry, that much is obvious. Likewise, if you think I only "sounded" a bit angry (despite being pretty clear) and yet you can't see my point, then congrats, you're daft.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@StTigray1 You just made a comment to someone that you're "proud of" your "multi-ethnic heritage," and then you contradict that by saying you'd prefer to only marry a Creole or black. Real cool. So how come your prejudices and inclusive decisions are any more morally better than my prejudices and inclusive decisions? Is it because you say that marrying blacks is what some Creoles prefer? How is that any different than a white male saying, "I'd only marry a white or Asian"?
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@StTigray1 It's actually good that you can laugh at anger, it's better than getting angry yourself. No biggy.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@StTigray1 Minus the racial overtones? Mate, there were no racial overtones in that story, I was telling the truth. A phrase such as "stupid black dude who sells weed," I mean he is stupid, he is black, and sells weed. There's no "racial overtones" there. I was distinguishing his race for the purpose of the story. So whatever. Wade in the depths of my naivete? Deep, but it'll never be I who has problems just being a person, it's people who lock their thoughts into politically correct corners.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@Tripo1iSamson It has very little to do with politics, it has more to do with survival. The point of survival is something that may be difficult to understand because you do not experience this country the way that someone of color does. You have achieved what you accuse others of achieving, you have locked yourself in a cultural spectrum that wont allow you to see the world unless from a fabricated construct that isnt even of your own creation.
StTigray1 6 months ago
@StTigray1 "The point of survival is something that may be difficult to understand because you do not experience this country the way that someone of color does. You have achieved what you accuse others of achieving, you have locked yourself in a cultural spectrum that wont allow you to see the world unless from a fabricated construct that isnt even of your own creation. " Great thing to tell a hispanic. Must be because the way I typed makes you assume something about me.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@Tripo1iSamson Your responses tell me a couple of things. 1. Your lack the ability to grasp issues outside of your own experience. Either because you are willfully ignorant or that you just dont know. In either case I its futile to argue with the truly ignorant. This is what I meant by wading through your naivete. B4 we go on I have one question. Are you willfully ignorant or do you just not understand?
StTigray1 6 months ago
@AnonRep31 A noble point but I dont see that happening any time soon, especially when race is such a superfluous notion.
StTigray1 6 months ago
@StTigray1 I'm sure if I was a guy going on about the injustices of "the majority" against myself were I a "minority," that you would "see" my point admist "all that whining." I figure if I angrily express some truth about experiences in my life but I'm not a "vicitmized" subgroup then you'll try to bash my statement. Real cool man. Thanks for being understanding to your fellow humans.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@AnonRep31 "I believe that perceived "ethnic groups" will continue to be socially dichotomized in an effort to keep everyone separate." Not to take your comment out of context, I just couldn't quote the preceding lines, but here's a question- who is keeping "everyone separate"? It's not anyone but the person choosing who they surround themselves with. Don't you agree? A white person can marry anyone and vice versa, but if they decide not to then nobody forced them to choose that.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@StTigray1 On your profile you link to three websites that claim to be devoted to ending black stereotypes, and yet all the sites provide false information.
Tripo1iSamson 6 months ago
@Tripo1iSamson Provide an example of the false information that you found. This will be fun, but be warned it may prove embarrassing for you, be assured. To be fair I would suggest you stick to what you know sophmoric insults.
StTigray1 5 months ago
@StTigray1 Okay. False info one: That Africa contained gems of civilization until "guns and slavery" arrived. My rebuttal to that is look at Rwanda less than 15 years ago. Ethnic genocide done mostly with clubs and machetes, lawl. Name one other country in the world where that still happens.
Tripo1iSamson 5 months ago
@StTigray1 The websites linked to on your profile are the ones making unfounded claims, using words like "unbias" to mean "revisionist and with no sources."
Tripo1iSamson 5 months ago
@StTigray1 On one of your linked-to websites: " Spread knowledge about advanced African kingdoms and black inventors and scientists who have helped shape and change our world. This will reduce the belief that there are innate differences between people of different colors and ethnicities. " That's called an agenda. Most historians just tell it how it is, those websites you listed are poorly-designed racially-motivated pieces of crap, and that's why they aren't referenced by society.
Tripo1iSamson 5 months ago
@Tripo1iSamson Damn boy you sure are stupid. How much of your stupidity do you expect me to deal with. Well this is YT and you unfortunately are a dime a dozen. If you want to know about Advanced African civilizations then you could start with Kush, and read all the way to the Songhai and Mali civs. Actually if you want to find a place that lacks a history of advanced civs you may want to try Western and Northern Europe. Damn boy you sure are stupid.
StTigray1 5 months ago
@Tripo1iSamson BTW So how are the races different?
StTigray1 5 months ago